WEBVTT 00:00:01.659 --> 00:00:23.800 Oh God. Do we need to like pre -quote with each 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.050 other real quick? No. always like when we ended 00:00:26.050 --> 00:00:28.370 up with the same quotes so okay perfect there 00:00:28.370 --> 00:00:31.129 aren't a lot of nicholas cage quotes and i'm 00:00:31.129 --> 00:00:33.329 pretty sure i got mine wrong i didn't pick a 00:00:33.329 --> 00:00:36.549 nick yeah no neither did i so oh okay i did pick 00:00:36.549 --> 00:00:38.490 a nicholas cage quote oh good then you're you're 00:00:38.490 --> 00:00:40.570 in really good shape how many n words were in 00:00:40.570 --> 00:00:46.289 it yeah did he say yeah yeah yeah that no my 00:00:46.289 --> 00:00:49.189 quote is just that just that word there's a whole 00:00:49.189 --> 00:00:52.530 lot of fucking epithets in this uh i'm gonna 00:00:52.530 --> 00:00:56.020 have to quack myself on that yeah you've already 00:00:56.020 --> 00:01:00.259 recorded it my first quacking of myself oh it 00:01:00.259 --> 00:01:02.039 took season until season three i feel pretty 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:05.640 good about that you know coward yeah well i probably 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:07.299 said worse shit and then just cut myself out 00:01:07.299 --> 00:01:10.040 so don't worry yeah and then some guy stole that 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:13.000 laptop and now has all of that raw audio yeah 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:16.920 oh that audio is so raw yeah if there's any like 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:19.560 weird shit that anyone hears from me on the internet 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:22.260 That's definitely from some other guy. It's a 00:01:22.260 --> 00:01:24.859 deep fake for sure. Yeah. Somebody took all the 00:01:24.859 --> 00:01:27.739 evidence from our podcast and stitched together 00:01:27.739 --> 00:01:30.379 words. It's the best way to do it. So how do 00:01:30.379 --> 00:01:34.439 you guys feel about tap dancing? I'm pro. I was 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:37.700 in a show one time in high school. It was anything 00:01:37.700 --> 00:01:42.459 goes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was playing the I can't 00:01:42.459 --> 00:01:44.439 remember the guy's name, the cuck, basically, 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:47.219 which was good. But like I had to learn a little 00:01:47.219 --> 00:01:51.069 bit of tap dancing for that. And I don't know 00:01:51.069 --> 00:01:54.909 if you know, but I'm really hard to like force 00:01:54.909 --> 00:01:59.170 to learn things or do anything. Hadn't noticed. 00:01:59.790 --> 00:02:02.450 So like making me learn how to tap dance. Like 00:02:02.450 --> 00:02:04.890 I, I went to like three classes and I was like, 00:02:04.930 --> 00:02:07.150 this is bullshit. I don't need to tap dance. 00:02:07.829 --> 00:02:09.870 And then it's like during the show, it's like, 00:02:09.969 --> 00:02:11.490 yeah, you're going to tap dancer in this. No, 00:02:11.530 --> 00:02:14.310 we're like, fuck. did they just give you soft 00:02:14.310 --> 00:02:16.710 shoes and then they put tap sounds over it no 00:02:16.710 --> 00:02:19.710 i i learned to do the little bits of like i was 00:02:19.710 --> 00:02:21.830 background time i wasn't like fair enough yeah 00:02:21.830 --> 00:02:23.409 you were the cuck you were in the cuck chair 00:02:23.409 --> 00:02:27.729 yeah i was like look i'm so excited it's a musical 00:02:27.729 --> 00:02:30.689 and i'm a non -singing character let's go that 00:02:30.689 --> 00:02:35.189 far that is my energy but i got i had a cool 00:02:35.189 --> 00:02:38.370 workout scene where i had one of those like uh 00:02:38.370 --> 00:02:42.930 one piece workout uniforms yeah yeah and uh i 00:02:42.930 --> 00:02:46.009 did some like super manly lifts and lunges nice 00:02:46.009 --> 00:02:49.930 there's uh i think it was for season three or 00:02:49.930 --> 00:02:52.389 season four of new girl uh they did like a little 00:02:52.389 --> 00:02:56.669 musical like short thing and during rehearsal 00:02:56.669 --> 00:02:59.169 like jake johnson would just be in the back like 00:02:59.169 --> 00:03:03.189 pretending to like do the moves yeah the director 00:03:03.189 --> 00:03:05.189 be like you got the shake he's like got it so 00:03:05.189 --> 00:03:06.430 when they went to film it he didn't actually 00:03:06.430 --> 00:03:09.000 know how to do any of it. So in the final cut, 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:12.840 he's just like flailing because he's never bothered 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:16.819 to learn it. I mean, that show is gold. If you 00:03:16.819 --> 00:03:19.000 fake shit hard enough, you know, that show is 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:22.379 really gold. What a good show. Yeah. One of the 00:03:22.379 --> 00:03:25.439 few like serialized shows that I've watched that 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.740 I really enjoy. Yeah. So when I'm just going 00:03:28.740 --> 00:03:34.180 to give you one more. I'm your host, Sean. See 00:03:34.180 --> 00:03:38.830 you in the next part. you're my co -host okay 00:03:38.830 --> 00:03:43.770 next next part so i was leaving the bar today 00:03:43.770 --> 00:03:47.789 and like right as i got in my car i got a text 00:03:47.789 --> 00:03:54.909 like um hayden's ex -girlfriend alert and i'm 00:03:54.909 --> 00:03:57.930 like fuck and i'm like thinking is this the day 00:03:57.930 --> 00:04:02.000 that i miss a recording because Because I have 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:04.659 to go back inside and meet one of Hayden's exes 00:04:04.659 --> 00:04:08.060 and talk to them. And you guys would have been 00:04:08.060 --> 00:04:10.419 fine with that, right? If I ditched out. If you 00:04:10.419 --> 00:04:14.060 continue to troll on Hayden. Yeah, I would have 00:04:14.060 --> 00:04:17.399 probably respected that. I mean, we everybody's 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:21.399 had one absence except me. I'm allowed one. You 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:23.980 got to make it a good one. That would be a great 00:04:23.980 --> 00:04:26.060 one. Dunk on our boy. That's pretty good. Yeah, 00:04:26.100 --> 00:04:29.959 that is pretty good. Sorry, Hayden. Yeah. Long 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.790 story short. Yeah, it was really hard for me 00:04:32.790 --> 00:04:35.149 not to engage in a text conversation while driving 00:04:35.149 --> 00:04:38.269 over here. I'm just getting texts of like, as 00:04:38.269 --> 00:04:40.350 I was leaving, I was like the one in the sports 00:04:40.350 --> 00:04:43.490 bra. And that just set things off. And I wasn't 00:04:43.490 --> 00:04:47.170 sure it was not the one in the sports bra. Wait, 00:04:47.269 --> 00:04:50.649 was that a new one? What? No, that was just somebody 00:04:50.649 --> 00:04:53.230 who is walking in as I was walking out. Oh, sorry. 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:57.100 I'm just naming the only woman I noticed in the 00:04:57.100 --> 00:05:00.079 bar as I left. I see. That wasn't one of our 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.279 immediate friends who I know has not touched 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.779 Hayden's penis. Do we know that anyone has? We 00:05:05.779 --> 00:05:08.699 know one person has. Are you talking about a 00:05:08.699 --> 00:05:13.899 parent when she was a child? Yeah, Susie. Hayden 00:05:13.899 --> 00:05:15.519 doesn't ever listen to this podcast, so he can't 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:17.240 get mad at that joke. That's true. That's true. 00:05:17.939 --> 00:05:21.180 Hayden's got a hot mom. But to be honest, I'd 00:05:21.180 --> 00:05:24.730 Greco -Roman wrestle his dad any day. like just 00:05:24.730 --> 00:05:26.730 for funsies yeah just all greased up what was 00:05:26.730 --> 00:05:29.250 that movie was it the ladies man where at the 00:05:29.250 --> 00:05:32.430 end there's like a will ferrell wrestling like 00:05:32.430 --> 00:05:37.230 baby oil scene oh man i have no idea i think 00:05:37.230 --> 00:05:40.009 it was the ladies man somebody in the comments 00:05:40.009 --> 00:05:42.170 please tell me what movie i'm thinking about 00:05:42.170 --> 00:05:45.290 i cannot which oiled up will ferrell movie is 00:05:45.290 --> 00:05:49.449 referring to also he's nick yeah yeah and my 00:05:49.449 --> 00:05:56.379 co -host And our producer. Hi, I'm Peter. And 00:05:56.379 --> 00:05:59.060 in this podcast, we sometimes talk about Nicolas 00:05:59.060 --> 00:06:02.699 Cage movies. Not this week. He's in it, but it's 00:06:02.699 --> 00:06:06.100 not his film. It's tough, these early phase movies, 00:06:06.420 --> 00:06:09.240 because he really is not a feature. Well, he's 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.360 got more of a character in this, at least. Totally. 00:06:11.420 --> 00:06:15.319 Like, he is actually a featured actor. Yes. Among 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:19.029 fucking 50. Oh, he's got a great cast. Sorry, 00:06:19.110 --> 00:06:20.810 Sean, we're just going to. Yeah, you're getting 00:06:20.810 --> 00:06:23.170 steamrolled. No, I was going to say, this is 00:06:23.170 --> 00:06:26.310 the first time we've really seen him seeing that 00:06:26.310 --> 00:06:28.629 like budging of that budding of that character 00:06:28.629 --> 00:06:31.730 actor we've come to love so well. Totally. That 00:06:31.730 --> 00:06:33.670 was that was my one critique of this entire thing. 00:06:33.750 --> 00:06:37.329 Let me get right to the Nick Cage judgment. Also, 00:06:37.410 --> 00:06:39.509 we're talking about Cotton Club. It felt like 00:06:39.509 --> 00:06:41.750 proto Nick Cage and he was just sort of like 00:06:41.750 --> 00:06:44.649 kicking the tires. Yeah. And, you know, didn't 00:06:44.649 --> 00:06:47.050 have enough time to really like do his thing. 00:06:47.170 --> 00:06:50.649 And I wanted more. Yeah. You know, at this point, 00:06:50.670 --> 00:06:53.170 how much more do you think Francis Ford Coppola 00:06:53.170 --> 00:06:57.050 was going to give his young nephew and his first 00:06:57.050 --> 00:06:59.269 like featured role? Well, no, because he had 00:06:59.269 --> 00:07:01.490 Valley Girl already. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Valley 00:07:01.490 --> 00:07:03.610 Girl came out. And then he gave him Peggy Sue 00:07:03.610 --> 00:07:07.509 after this. So like it's not like he quit. Yeah. 00:07:07.610 --> 00:07:11.550 But it's not like he liked Cage's decision making 00:07:11.550 --> 00:07:15.949 skills in Peggy Sue. So like. I'm sure there 00:07:15.949 --> 00:07:21.449 was a little more control by Coppola and a little 00:07:21.449 --> 00:07:25.350 less willingness to explore from Cage. So I think 00:07:25.350 --> 00:07:27.069 it was a little both. Yeah, that's probably right. 00:07:27.209 --> 00:07:28.970 But he had a pretty straightforward role. He 00:07:28.970 --> 00:07:34.069 played the brother of Richard Gere. Yeah, Richard 00:07:34.069 --> 00:07:38.879 Gere. Dixie Dwyer. I liked. Richard Gere's creep 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:42.639 -ass mustache. I love a pencil mustache. It was 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:44.779 really working for me. I don't know why. And 00:07:44.779 --> 00:07:47.439 like Cage also has kind of a shitty like creeper 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:50.819 stache, but Gere's is real on point. It was a 00:07:50.819 --> 00:07:52.759 good time for that. Everybody looks like John 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:56.300 Waters. This is a proper period piece of like 00:07:56.300 --> 00:08:00.199 the late 1920s, early 1930s because we get Nick 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.680 Cage, high -waisted pants, suspenders, no shirt. 00:08:04.269 --> 00:08:06.889 Oh, yeah. I thought you were going to say unabashed 00:08:06.889 --> 00:08:10.670 N -words. Well, that too is of an era. You guys 00:08:10.670 --> 00:08:13.550 made it seem like there were so many more. There 00:08:13.550 --> 00:08:17.029 are like six. There's a lot in there. There's 00:08:17.029 --> 00:08:20.490 not. When I'm not watching a Tarantino film, 00:08:20.709 --> 00:08:27.389 more than one set of phalanges worth of N -words. 00:08:28.470 --> 00:08:31.389 It's more than I'm accustomed to in a day. Yeah. 00:08:31.470 --> 00:08:35.350 Larry Fishburne dropped like. Larry, it's it's 00:08:35.350 --> 00:08:37.570 the white people ones that are the harder ones. 00:08:37.669 --> 00:08:39.429 And you're right. There's only about six of those, 00:08:39.509 --> 00:08:41.429 but you add them all together. Those are the 00:08:41.429 --> 00:08:45.389 hard are ones. Yeah, that's true. I do like how 00:08:45.389 --> 00:08:47.110 they beat the shit out of that one bouncer, though. 00:08:47.149 --> 00:08:50.250 Oh, yeah. Which is to say Lawrence Fishburne's 00:08:50.250 --> 00:08:53.470 character beats up a white guy who was a real 00:08:53.470 --> 00:08:56.389 piece of shit. Yeah. OK, so this is so we already 00:08:56.389 --> 00:08:58.169 you already told us what like you wanted more 00:08:58.169 --> 00:09:00.110 of from this film, which is more cage. I wanted 00:09:00.110 --> 00:09:03.269 more of. Any fucking narrative in this film, 00:09:03.389 --> 00:09:06.149 because there's like three or four through lines 00:09:06.149 --> 00:09:09.529 that all just kind of are happening around each 00:09:09.529 --> 00:09:13.690 other. Yeah. But there's no there's no real build 00:09:13.690 --> 00:09:16.669 to anything because to the Fishburne bathroom 00:09:16.669 --> 00:09:20.870 beating. That starts off because, oh, God, I 00:09:20.870 --> 00:09:23.289 have IMDb open up here because there's this. 00:09:23.330 --> 00:09:25.750 It's a pretty decent, pretty spectacular cast. 00:09:25.929 --> 00:09:29.289 Gregory Hines, his characters, and he's a dancer. 00:09:30.309 --> 00:09:33.710 He's a tap dancer. He's a featured artist at 00:09:33.710 --> 00:09:36.169 the Cotton Club. Yes. He's in love with a singer. 00:09:37.210 --> 00:09:40.129 And like the stage director keeps telling him, 00:09:40.149 --> 00:09:41.529 like, keep your hands off the merchandise. And 00:09:41.529 --> 00:09:43.450 like, you know, kind of roughs him up a bit. 00:09:43.490 --> 00:09:46.570 So Gregory Hines, a Sandman's like, I'm gonna 00:09:46.570 --> 00:09:49.230 kill him. I'm gonna kill him. And gets Fishburne, 00:09:49.250 --> 00:09:53.149 who is a gangster to like deal with it. Well, 00:09:53.210 --> 00:09:57.250 he's a pimp. Yeah. Bumpy roads. Yeah. Years pass. 00:09:58.129 --> 00:10:00.740 And that dealing with it is. A bathroom beating 00:10:00.740 --> 00:10:06.799 many years later, which is fairly large for this 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.080 Jim Crow era. Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty bold 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.860 ass move. Yeah. I mean, considering people are 00:10:12.860 --> 00:10:14.860 getting like shot down into the street in this 00:10:14.860 --> 00:10:18.139 movie. I mean, they did make him like lick the 00:10:18.139 --> 00:10:20.379 toilet and swirled him. Oh, yeah, they swirled 00:10:20.379 --> 00:10:23.940 him real good. Pretty power move. You're right. 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:29.519 This movie could have had a much tighter. It's 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:31.879 two hours and like eight minutes or something 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:35.500 like that. And it feels like four. I mean, it 00:10:35.500 --> 00:10:38.159 feels lengthy. You feel every minute and maybe 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:41.320 a few extra. They could tighten the script up. 00:10:41.539 --> 00:10:45.820 They could define some of these stories that 00:10:45.820 --> 00:10:48.919 are in it. It is pretty central about Dwyer and 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:55.240 Vera and their relationship with Dutch the gangster. 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:59.240 Yeah. And Oni. Yeah. Played by Hoskins, Bob Hoskins. 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.500 Yeah. Fucking great role. He's like such a lovable 00:11:02.500 --> 00:11:04.720 guy until he's like, I will chop your head off. 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:07.200 And you're like, you will. Yeah, that's fair. 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:11.059 I get it. Yeah, I don't know. Like to try and 00:11:11.059 --> 00:11:12.779 summarize this is tough because you're right. 00:11:12.820 --> 00:11:14.940 There are sort of like a couple different arcs. 00:11:14.940 --> 00:11:17.000 And the only ones that really matter are Dixie 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:21.240 and Vera kind of tangentially to that. And then 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:24.200 Sandman, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, let's just. 00:11:24.730 --> 00:11:27.629 The major arcs are, say, like the Dixie and the 00:11:27.629 --> 00:11:31.289 Sandman arcs. And Cage's character is involved 00:11:31.289 --> 00:11:35.710 with the Dixie Dwyer story. Right. Brothers. 00:11:35.750 --> 00:11:39.049 Not so much in the Sandman story. Also, hey, 00:11:39.110 --> 00:11:41.070 we've got two pairs of brothers here. Oh, yeah. 00:11:41.070 --> 00:11:44.970 Because Sandman's brother, who is also Gregory 00:11:44.970 --> 00:11:49.029 Hines's real brother, is in the movie. Yeah. 00:11:49.289 --> 00:11:51.889 And they're dance partners. So two brother stories. 00:11:52.230 --> 00:11:56.679 Until. Until Sandman betrays him. Hey, they get 00:11:56.679 --> 00:11:58.919 tight again. Yeah, the kiss of fame, man. Yeah. 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:02.379 And then an actual brotherly kiss on the lips 00:12:02.379 --> 00:12:05.580 later. Yeah, they really got all three. Yeah. 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:09.480 Brother loving. No, I liked their characters 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:12.919 actually a lot. One, I like dancing and tap dancing 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:16.200 was cool. I also think that that era is really 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:19.379 impressive what they were doing. You know, having 00:12:19.379 --> 00:12:22.480 to perform for a shit ton of white people. Probably 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.100 not great. yeah um especially white people like 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:29.320 nicholas cage who heckle you as you as he walks 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.940 to his shitty table yeah he's a piece of shit 00:12:31.940 --> 00:12:36.500 yeah he was i will say taking that aspect out 00:12:36.500 --> 00:12:40.059 of the era just the nightclubs the old nightclub 00:12:40.059 --> 00:12:43.679 scene though is so fascinating because like now 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.679 if i want to see live music i gotta buy tickets 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:49.740 three months out to go see a show i want whereas 00:12:49.740 --> 00:12:53.259 before the you know advent of The Internet. It 00:12:53.259 --> 00:12:55.940 was local. It was always locals only. Yeah, it 00:12:55.940 --> 00:12:58.860 was locals only. You went and saw people you 00:12:58.860 --> 00:13:01.740 knew like it was like a community. And that's 00:13:01.740 --> 00:13:04.600 what culture was. And I don't know. I was like, 00:13:04.620 --> 00:13:08.240 oh, that's cool. I wish we had that. Yeah. And 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:10.500 more commonly, it was you go to the club you 00:13:10.500 --> 00:13:13.179 go to and who's performing is who's performing. 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.019 You're not even following like a marquee. Right. 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:22.399 Yeah. I mean, so this is like. partially a love 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.139 letter to like the actual cotton club you know 00:13:25.139 --> 00:13:30.299 it's somewhat historical drama i don't know how 00:13:30.299 --> 00:13:32.620 much of the characters are based on real people 00:13:32.620 --> 00:13:36.000 other than like you know cab calloway's like 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.720 they have cab calloway on stage at one point 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:41.259 charlie chaplin is like in the audience and yeah 00:13:41.259 --> 00:13:46.740 yeah he does his little potato dance yeah yeah 00:13:46.740 --> 00:13:50.639 classic um was there's no other way you would 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:53.519 recognize that no fucking hitler's here too that's 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:55.539 cool they didn't even give him the stash yeah 00:13:55.539 --> 00:13:58.720 he was the 30s he was still an okay he was an 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.720 artist that's right yeah the like but the basic 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.519 premise of the film is you know there is a looming 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:10.240 potential dang war tension uh richard gare's 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:15.899 character dixie is a musician just trying to 00:14:15.899 --> 00:14:19.480 like make his Get his big break and accidentally 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:24.659 winds up saving Dutch, a gangster, from an assassination 00:14:24.659 --> 00:14:27.899 attempt and becomes kind of his driver, his go 00:14:27.899 --> 00:14:31.259 to man, like at, you know, on pain of death. 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:33.659 That doesn't seem to matter very long because 00:14:33.659 --> 00:14:36.039 he gets out and I don't know, then it kind of 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:39.840 just loses the plot. The last 45 minutes picks 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.350 up, but like. There's a whole bit in the middle 00:14:42.350 --> 00:14:45.070 where he goes off to Hollywood. The second act 00:14:45.070 --> 00:14:50.309 is very much less of a Dixie Dwyer story as that's, 00:14:50.350 --> 00:14:53.009 I think where it picks up more of the Sandman 00:14:53.009 --> 00:14:56.429 story. Like the second act is where both characters 00:14:56.429 --> 00:15:00.909 kind of get into their, their big moment and 00:15:00.909 --> 00:15:04.070 Dixie, he leaves for Hollywood, but Sandman, 00:15:04.070 --> 00:15:08.230 he gets into like his solo career. So it stays 00:15:08.230 --> 00:15:12.360 local with him. While Dixie goes out and then 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:14.620 as Sandman and his brother make up in the third 00:15:14.620 --> 00:15:18.159 act, Dixie comes back and resolves his story. 00:15:18.299 --> 00:15:21.220 That's kind of how I took it or where I would 00:15:21.220 --> 00:15:24.980 address that. I did like when the mobsters are 00:15:24.980 --> 00:15:27.440 like evaluating if Dixie's a good candidate to 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.299 go to Hollywood. They're like. He's a terrible 00:15:30.299 --> 00:15:32.700 actor, but he doesn't look like a fruit. Yeah. 00:15:32.779 --> 00:15:36.899 Yeah. He's not a fruit or a commie. But like, 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:40.059 I'm not quite sure why, like why Hoskins sends 00:15:40.059 --> 00:15:42.220 him to Hollywood. Like he does it as a favor 00:15:42.220 --> 00:15:46.240 to get him out of from under Dutch. Yeah. But 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.860 I don't understand why. Hoskins is a sweetheart. 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:50.580 I mean, everybody seems to actually really like 00:15:50.580 --> 00:15:52.879 his character. I mean, he's a piece of shit and 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.480 he's a bad guy, but he's also like kind of doing 00:15:55.480 --> 00:16:00.269 good stuff. I, this movie has such a wild swing 00:16:00.269 --> 00:16:05.389 in the third act because the first act is gangland 00:16:05.389 --> 00:16:09.730 mobster film. The second act's more about like 00:16:09.730 --> 00:16:14.409 backstage drama at these clubs, competing clubs. 00:16:14.570 --> 00:16:16.649 And the third act just leans right into kind 00:16:16.649 --> 00:16:19.970 of some magical realism and breaks like the fourth 00:16:19.970 --> 00:16:23.629 wall breaks like a wall between like this, what's 00:16:23.629 --> 00:16:25.370 happening on stage and like what's happening. 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:29.240 in like people's lives and it ends with like 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:34.279 a really weird kind of like staged so wave to 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:37.220 the camera yeah the ending is super weird i loved 00:16:37.220 --> 00:16:39.740 it i loved the end of this movie like the last 00:16:39.740 --> 00:16:42.340 the last 20 minutes of this movie i was riveted 00:16:42.340 --> 00:16:44.620 i think that was part of my problem with this 00:16:44.620 --> 00:16:47.679 is like i had a really really hard time i just 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:51.980 was distracted a lot by like literally anything 00:16:51.980 --> 00:16:54.759 else other than the movie even though i was really 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:57.500 enjoying it like the music was great the acting 00:16:57.500 --> 00:17:00.419 i think is pretty solid the cast is amazing i 00:17:00.419 --> 00:17:02.840 think the directing was pretty good there's really 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:04.920 good moments of writing like there's some good 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.759 character interactions yeah but yeah like i couldn't 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:12.240 i wasn't captured ever i i was able to just let 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:16.640 this movie kind of play out and yeah i was really 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:20.220 enjoying elements of it like throughout i really 00:17:20.220 --> 00:17:25.039 enjoy this movie uh to be frank. Um, but yeah, 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.000 if, if something came up and I looked at my phone, 00:17:27.059 --> 00:17:28.819 I was like, okay, that's fine. I'm not going 00:17:28.819 --> 00:17:31.240 to miss, like, they're not making like split 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:33.640 second, like character moments. It's the movie's 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.700 long enough. Like all development happens in 00:17:36.700 --> 00:17:39.140 a span of time. Yeah. It's not like, Oh, and 00:17:39.140 --> 00:17:42.400 this happened. So I missed a, a beat in the film. 00:17:42.740 --> 00:17:45.220 I was able to just be like, Oh, okay. Like I'm 00:17:45.220 --> 00:17:49.900 enjoying and just experiencing the film in my 00:17:49.900 --> 00:17:52.009 day. We don't have to say where you pirated your 00:17:52.009 --> 00:17:57.450 film, but was your audio super fucked up? No, 00:17:57.750 --> 00:18:01.589 mine was OK. OK, mine was fine. It was like very 00:18:01.589 --> 00:18:05.730 delayed. So that also threw me off. I had a problem 00:18:05.730 --> 00:18:09.069 with the subtitles originally. And as soon as 00:18:09.069 --> 00:18:11.490 we were like these subtitles, like what's going 00:18:11.490 --> 00:18:14.009 on? Because it looked like they were just mentally 00:18:14.009 --> 00:18:16.609 speaking to each other, like Dixie and Vera at 00:18:16.609 --> 00:18:20.019 one point. Nice. And then like. A whole scene 00:18:20.019 --> 00:18:22.779 later, this dialogue starts to happen. It's like, 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:25.140 oh, OK, no fucking shut the subtitles. Everything 00:18:25.140 --> 00:18:28.420 is fucked on these. I'll struggle. I'll use my 00:18:28.420 --> 00:18:32.779 ears like God intended. I also had no subtitles. 00:18:33.019 --> 00:18:38.640 Yeah, it's fine. But my audio is OK. Mine had 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.220 subtitles, but they would come and go like they 00:18:41.220 --> 00:18:44.839 would just turn themselves off. Cool. Yeah, I 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:47.539 just manually turn them off. I took control of 00:18:47.539 --> 00:18:50.650 that situation. So, OK, the cast of characters 00:18:50.650 --> 00:18:53.930 is great, right? Like everyone is good. Fishburn's 00:18:53.930 --> 00:18:57.109 in there. Diane Lane, super hot as usual. Like 00:18:57.109 --> 00:18:59.529 I liked her as a brunette. I liked her as a blonde. 00:18:59.730 --> 00:19:04.109 She was a good like flapper era type person. 00:19:04.109 --> 00:19:06.950 Tom Waits again. Tom Waits was back in there. 00:19:06.970 --> 00:19:09.930 I like to scratch his voice. I had to go back 00:19:09.930 --> 00:19:12.289 and ask Josie where Tom Waits was because I never 00:19:12.289 --> 00:19:15.170 recognize his face, even though we just saw him 00:19:15.170 --> 00:19:17.500 in the last film, too. Well, he looks really 00:19:17.500 --> 00:19:20.359 different as Benny. Yeah. And this was a very 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:23.500 quick scene. Yeah. Yeah. But this is also the 00:19:23.500 --> 00:19:25.640 least Tom Waits I feel like Tom Waits has ever 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.619 looked. Probably true. Yeah. I mean, the most 00:19:28.619 --> 00:19:32.200 Tom Waits is probably... Rumblefish? Oh, that 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:36.420 superhero. No. The superhero movie. Mystery Man. 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:40.660 Oh, yeah. Mystery Man. But one of my favorites 00:19:40.660 --> 00:19:43.259 was probably fucking Frenchie. Oh, Frenchie's 00:19:43.259 --> 00:19:45.339 my favorite, dude. Frenchie's such a good character 00:19:45.339 --> 00:19:47.900 just in general. And then, like, the fact that 00:19:47.900 --> 00:19:51.160 that was Herman Munster is awesome. Like, yeah. 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:54.440 I think that was the best written, best acted. 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:57.559 Yeah, he was Herman Munster. He's Fred Gwynn. 00:19:57.579 --> 00:20:01.839 Oh, I love that so much. Yeah, he stole the show 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:05.680 every time he was on the scene. Well, there's... 00:20:05.900 --> 00:20:07.799 There's this whole weird scene, and this goes 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:09.900 to my whole, like, how disjointed this film is. 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:12.079 There's a scene with him and Hoskins where he 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:15.519 gets, Frenchie gets kidnapped by Nick Cage. For 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.799 reasons? Hoskins pays for ransom, just for ransom, 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:22.920 for $50 ,000. Cage felt like he was owed. Yeah, 00:20:22.940 --> 00:20:26.880 and, like, Frenchie gets back, you know, and 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.099 starts giving Hoskins shit for, like, only paying 00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:31.940 $500 ransom and, like, breaks Hoskins' watch. 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:34.759 And then I was like, I paid fifty thousand. And 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:36.779 then Frenchie gives him a gift and it's a new, 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:40.920 better watch. So it was just a joke. Yeah, dude, 00:20:41.019 --> 00:20:43.160 I fucking love that. That's probably one of my 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:45.680 favorite scenes in the film. It was a great scene. 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:48.119 He just shows up and he's like, you know what? 00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:50.940 I got this boy of mine. I'm a troll him. Like, 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.339 yes, I was just taken hostage and I know my dude 00:20:54.339 --> 00:20:58.180 paid fifty grand for me. I'm going to come in 00:20:58.180 --> 00:21:00.440 hot. I'm going to accuse him of shortchanging 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.849 my life. I'm going to destroy his property, but 00:21:03.849 --> 00:21:06.869 I'm going to replace it with something like leaps 00:21:06.869 --> 00:21:08.730 and bounds better because I know he just shelled 00:21:08.730 --> 00:21:12.089 out shit tons of money for my life. So he's getting 00:21:12.089 --> 00:21:16.670 from my heart like a thank you, dude. Great scene. 00:21:16.829 --> 00:21:18.829 Not saying it's not a great scene. It's hilarious. 00:21:19.410 --> 00:21:23.849 It's weird structurally in a narrative. everything 00:21:23.849 --> 00:21:27.529 yes i think every frenchie scene exists kind 00:21:27.529 --> 00:21:30.650 of in its own story like it's its own movie yeah 00:21:30.650 --> 00:21:34.369 he does not he like he barely fits into this 00:21:34.369 --> 00:21:36.769 film and i love it he's just a giant kind of 00:21:36.769 --> 00:21:39.650 intimidating dude who talks a little he looks 00:21:39.650 --> 00:21:41.589 like a fucking frankenstein yeah it's like there's 00:21:41.589 --> 00:21:45.390 a reason he was herman munster and his name is 00:21:45.390 --> 00:21:50.000 frenchie and he He's just kind of like your goofball 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:53.859 comedy element to a movie that never asked for 00:21:53.859 --> 00:21:56.619 a goofball comedy. That was what that's my quote, 00:21:56.660 --> 00:21:59.039 though, was someone says, what about your nickname? 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:01.359 Frenchie? He says, that's different. I'm trustworthy. 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:05.680 That's my quote, too. Yeah, because Frenchie 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:09.259 doesn't trust anyone with a nickname. Yeah. Since 00:22:09.259 --> 00:22:12.359 you guys both gave your quote, I just want to 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:14.859 give mine, which is just when they get to the 00:22:14.859 --> 00:22:17.779 comic book for the first time. You can't do that, 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:21.039 Sean. All right, go ahead. Take a fresh one on 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:23.859 that. Nicolas Cage is just hollering at the dancers 00:22:23.859 --> 00:22:26.539 and he says, look at the rump on that one. Just 00:22:26.539 --> 00:22:29.579 because I love the word rump. I love colloquialisms 00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:36.519 for butt. Yeah, that is good. He was so awkward 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:39.920 going back to their table, like standing by the 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.079 stage and like hollering at all the dancers where 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:45.880 like. Clearly nobody else does that at this club. 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:49.839 Yeah. You could see their outsider isms kind 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:53.339 of really showing in that sort of thing. I mean, 00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:55.880 seeing as this isn't a cage podcast, we should 00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:58.839 like talk about what he does in this film. So 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:01.900 he plays Dixie's brother who wants to be a gangster, 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:05.319 like wants to get in with Dutch and uses Dixie's 00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:09.220 like random happenstance of meeting Dutch to 00:23:09.220 --> 00:23:12.849 like get on the payroll. He's just gotten married 00:23:12.849 --> 00:23:18.250 to Jennifer Gray of Ferris Bueller fame. Cool. 00:23:19.269 --> 00:23:22.970 And then disappears for a good chunk of the movie, 00:23:23.069 --> 00:23:28.430 then comes back demanding like a bigger take 00:23:28.430 --> 00:23:30.910 to be like a partner, you know? Yeah, you see 00:23:30.910 --> 00:23:32.869 him every once in a while and he's kind of just 00:23:32.869 --> 00:23:35.589 muscle. So you see like his muscle and he's like, 00:23:35.670 --> 00:23:38.809 oh, I need more money because he shot some people. 00:23:38.910 --> 00:23:42.920 So he's like. there's a little bit of reasoning 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.240 for why he's coming back for more i mean i i 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:47.400 knew he was in the background but like you know 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:50.259 like he's not yeah but our listeners don't watch 00:23:50.259 --> 00:23:53.799 these movies and we barely describe what happens 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:57.779 in these films we kind of do sometimes it's better 00:23:57.779 --> 00:23:59.740 when we have a guest that we can make do it oh 00:23:59.740 --> 00:24:03.079 man yeah they talk good they talk pretty someday 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:07.319 uh but then you know nick cage's little sidekick 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:12.289 gets killed so he has his boys mow down that 00:24:12.289 --> 00:24:14.730 guy, mow down Frenchie's, like, not Frenchie, 00:24:14.750 --> 00:24:18.450 Dutch's right -hand man. Couple kids get killed. 00:24:18.589 --> 00:24:20.650 I was like, holy shit, they killed kids. Oh, 00:24:20.650 --> 00:24:24.769 yeah. Oh, one of those kids, Sofia Coppola. Oh, 00:24:24.809 --> 00:24:28.230 tight. Yeah, Josie was, we think it is. Yeah, 00:24:28.369 --> 00:24:33.230 she was listed in the credits for, like, Corpse 00:24:33.230 --> 00:24:35.210 Girl on Street or something like that. She's 00:24:35.210 --> 00:24:37.250 the one who sold an apple. Yeah. She didn't get 00:24:37.250 --> 00:24:40.480 shot. Oh, maybe. Maybe she got shot. Wait, OK, 00:24:40.579 --> 00:24:42.119 so here's where I got really confused with this 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:45.579 movie. So Cage's buddy gets killed. I got that 00:24:45.579 --> 00:24:49.980 part. OK, that was Bob Hoskins, man, who did 00:24:49.980 --> 00:24:52.759 it. Or was that Dutch's man who was Dutch's man? 00:24:53.299 --> 00:24:57.319 But he works for Dutch. Yeah, but he was clearly 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.700 not in Dutch's favor, especially after he crumpled 00:25:00.700 --> 00:25:02.940 up the hundred and fifty and threw it back at 00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:06.960 him. And I was going to get a psycho. So then 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:10.819 he he kills that dude. But then steals Frenchie. 00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:13.319 Yeah. Why? Why wouldn't you keep fucking with? 00:25:13.460 --> 00:25:15.559 But that's a different dude. Frenchie doesn't 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.119 work for Dutch. It was about the money. He's 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:20.200 a he just wants to be a gangster. That's all 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:23.859 it is. He's not smart. He's dumb. Yeah, he was 00:25:23.859 --> 00:25:26.460 a dumb character. Yeah. Like that character was 00:25:26.460 --> 00:25:29.140 not. Well, like both this and Rumblefish kind 00:25:29.140 --> 00:25:33.579 of exists in this whole. The end of like a criminal 00:25:33.579 --> 00:25:36.420 era, like Rumblefish, it was the end of like. 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:39.880 You know, street youths fighting. This is kind 00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:43.539 of the end of kind of gangland gangster era. 00:25:43.579 --> 00:25:46.660 And Nick Cage is he wants to be a part of that. 00:25:46.700 --> 00:25:50.220 He idolizes it, even though it's not really what 00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:52.140 he thinks it is. And it ultimately gets him killed 00:25:52.140 --> 00:25:55.099 because he kind of treats it like a game and 00:25:55.099 --> 00:25:59.720 then gets mowed down real bad. Yeah. Tommy Gund. 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.039 In a phone booth. In a phone booth. Hard to get 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:05.319 out of a phone booth. Can't defend yourself. 00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:10.400 door's too silly it's true well i really did 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:13.680 appreciate so he gets like referred to as a mad 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.559 dog in the press he's like this hated criminal 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:20.839 but every time you see uh either dutch's men 00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:25.019 or um what was uh you can just call them the 00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:29.759 dutchman the Dutchman or Oni's Hoskins men. Anytime 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:31.279 they walk into a place and they're about to do 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:33.539 a hit, they like tell the staff to get out or 00:26:33.539 --> 00:26:35.640 to get down. Like they give people nods. Like 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:39.180 it's very, those assassinations are very Columbine 00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:41.759 esque of like, Hey, don't go to school today. 00:26:43.180 --> 00:26:45.059 Sorry. I've been watching a lot of Columbine 00:26:45.059 --> 00:26:51.509 videos. Oh, why? Yeah. that's a terrible answer 00:26:51.509 --> 00:26:54.690 as you can give i suppose i don't even know what 00:26:54.690 --> 00:26:58.069 started it but then like obviously youtube like 00:26:58.069 --> 00:27:00.789 you do you watch one video of something kind 00:27:00.789 --> 00:27:04.369 of obscure and they're like have i got the playlist 00:27:04.369 --> 00:27:07.650 for you and it's like well how flat is this earth 00:27:07.650 --> 00:27:13.039 not as flat as you'd think but Pretty fucking 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.819 flat. Why are you not allowed to fly over Antarctica? 00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:19.640 Yeah. Makes you wonder. It's not science. I'll 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:25.460 tell you that for free. Ice wall. I forgot where 00:27:25.460 --> 00:27:28.700 I was with that. But yeah, Nick Cage. We weren't 00:27:28.700 --> 00:27:32.299 going anywhere. Yeah, we got into Nicolas Cage's 00:27:32.299 --> 00:27:35.000 death in this. Yeah. That's a pretty good death. 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:36.859 I did like that he had like a handful of Skittles 00:27:36.859 --> 00:27:38.079 or whatever the fuck those were. Oh yeah, he 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.160 had like some hard candies from the bar and died 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.380 and it was just blood and Skittles. Yeah. So 00:27:44.380 --> 00:27:49.240 romantic, that death. Yeah. Sure. I mean, like, 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:51.539 not romantic as in like heart -throbbing romantic, 00:27:51.819 --> 00:27:53.880 but like... I mean, his wife was there to witness 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:58.640 it. The way it was shot, the filming. Yeah. Okay, 00:27:58.779 --> 00:28:01.789 so I just want to say, like... i've not watched 00:28:01.789 --> 00:28:04.450 a lot of coppola's films prior to like these 00:28:04.450 --> 00:28:07.630 uh and especially seeing like rumble fish and 00:28:07.630 --> 00:28:10.630 this back to back just the amount of stagecraft 00:28:10.630 --> 00:28:15.089 the love of like of i mean i want to say practical 00:28:15.089 --> 00:28:17.950 effects but that's not what i mean because it's 00:28:17.950 --> 00:28:22.029 the early 80s but just the love of like stagecraft 00:28:22.029 --> 00:28:26.130 and right location sets and things like that 00:28:26.130 --> 00:28:28.269 location sets like all that stuff all that stuff 00:28:28.269 --> 00:28:30.380 that very much hearkens to like live theater 00:28:30.380 --> 00:28:34.799 performance is so well done and so beautiful 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:39.940 and i just love all of it yeah this is definitely 00:28:39.940 --> 00:28:45.460 a cinematic experience that speaks more to kind 00:28:45.460 --> 00:28:48.059 of like that well it's an experience kind of 00:28:48.059 --> 00:28:52.779 film so when i i guess this is what filmmakers 00:28:52.779 --> 00:28:55.759 would be talking about when they criticize marvel 00:28:55.759 --> 00:29:00.130 movies and say like cinema is dead it's like 00:29:00.130 --> 00:29:02.890 yeah well i mean they're totally yeah they're 00:29:02.890 --> 00:29:06.210 different for sure yeah but blockbusters have 00:29:06.210 --> 00:29:10.269 never been put up against like art films either 00:29:10.269 --> 00:29:12.630 it's like that's a stupid way to compare movies 00:29:12.630 --> 00:29:15.990 your summer movies versus your indie films so 00:29:15.990 --> 00:29:20.869 i can get out of here scorsese i did read that 00:29:20.869 --> 00:29:23.109 um apparently the original version of this had 00:29:23.109 --> 00:29:27.170 i think four more musical numbers and focused 00:29:27.170 --> 00:29:30.009 much more on sandman and his brother and the 00:29:30.009 --> 00:29:33.670 relationship with um what's her name lila yeah 00:29:33.670 --> 00:29:40.549 and um the studios were like we want less that 00:29:40.549 --> 00:29:46.130 yeah i was like oh boo i think that might have 00:29:46.130 --> 00:29:47.829 been the version i saw because that version did 00:29:47.829 --> 00:29:50.569 come out in like 2019 yeah there was like a special 00:29:50.569 --> 00:29:54.700 cut So, yeah, it's possible that you did, and 00:29:54.700 --> 00:29:57.440 maybe that's why my audio sucked shit and yours 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.519 was better. I think I just had normal audio. 00:30:01.339 --> 00:30:03.960 Did yours have credits for Francis Ford Coppola 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:08.660 or Francis Coppola? That was the end of the film. 00:30:08.700 --> 00:30:10.980 I don't know. He's in the beginning, too. He's 00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:15.900 a director. Hold on. Was this on B words, P word? 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.799 We'll cut this part out. No, I like it better 00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.160 if we just talk about B words, P word. Yeah, 00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:28.119 we'll keep B words, P word in. That's where you 00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:31.039 watched yours. Yeah. Where did you watch yours? 00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:34.640 Not that. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah. I was all on top 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:36.940 of the B words, P word. Yeah. I still have had 00:30:36.940 --> 00:30:39.539 a hard time getting any of that to work for me 00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:42.339 ever. Really? So, you know, I don't try that 00:30:42.339 --> 00:30:44.839 hard. Well, that's fair. I can't fast forward 00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:46.799 as well on there. I can't double speed the same 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:50.960 way I want. You know, yeah. Double speed. amazing 00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:56.200 holy shit so fast it's a tommy gun yeah so can 00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:58.500 we just say like later on in the film we see 00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:02.019 vera's which is like the club dutch bot for his 00:31:02.019 --> 00:31:09.240 side piece uh so much more so much so much less 00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:11.980 interesting than the cotton club yeah it's boring 00:31:11.980 --> 00:31:14.920 it's whitewashed you know yeah no i really enjoyed 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.400 watching like through the years that the film 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.250 takes place the improvements done on the cotton 00:31:22.250 --> 00:31:25.450 club yeah like you get the you know uh strip 00:31:25.450 --> 00:31:27.990 lights on the floor and everything and who those 00:31:27.990 --> 00:31:33.430 murals though oh yeah yeah i understand this 00:31:33.430 --> 00:31:37.069 is a period piece but yeah yeah i did like the 00:31:37.069 --> 00:31:41.309 um cab calloway mini the moocher yep that was 00:31:41.309 --> 00:31:43.730 good that was just like always think about blues 00:31:43.730 --> 00:31:47.029 brothers blues brothers i was just like i just 00:31:47.029 --> 00:31:48.869 watched that i'm like Do I have time to watch 00:31:48.869 --> 00:31:51.910 Blues Brothers before the podcast? Just cram 00:31:51.910 --> 00:31:55.029 that in there. Yes. I watch that movie at least 00:31:55.029 --> 00:31:56.990 once a year. That's one of my favorite all time 00:31:56.990 --> 00:31:59.849 films. It's a great movie. I like it. I think 00:31:59.849 --> 00:32:02.789 I've only watched it once in my life, but I don't 00:32:02.789 --> 00:32:05.390 really watch a lot of things in my life. I don't 00:32:05.390 --> 00:32:08.829 either. Just Nick Cage movies and generally that. 00:32:09.500 --> 00:32:11.079 Yeah, I mean, I suppose at this point, too, we 00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:12.680 don't have to watch as many Nick Cage movies 00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:15.599 again and again. No, there's more. Concept has 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.900 changed. There's more room in my life for sword 00:32:17.900 --> 00:32:22.680 and sorcery. Ooh, I do. We talk about your masturbation 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:26.039 habits enough. Nope. There's never too much. 00:32:26.859 --> 00:32:29.700 Did you ever play the I think it's an iPhone 00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:33.500 game sword and sorcery. sword and sorcery sword 00:32:33.500 --> 00:32:37.299 and sorcery it's pretty good uh no super brothers 00:32:37.299 --> 00:32:40.819 sword and sorcery okay yeah not bad i don't play 00:32:40.819 --> 00:32:43.140 a lot of mobile games yeah i don't either usually 00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:46.720 but it's like a weird that one scratches that 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.200 itch yeah it's pretty cool uh what's it like 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.940 is it kind of like the old uh oh what was that 00:32:52.940 --> 00:32:56.799 arcade game golden gauntlet or whatever i know 00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:58.559 exactly what you're talking about dragon's lair 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:02.180 was no i don't know what you're talking about 00:33:02.180 --> 00:33:03.880 yeah i don't know what you're talking it's fine 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:08.920 there was a gauntlet arcade game golden oh god 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:12.940 yeah not gauntlet maybe i do know that game yeah 00:33:12.940 --> 00:33:15.000 where there were different classes and stuff 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.200 you could choose yeah i only played that on nes 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.740 oh really i was terrible at it oh i wonder if 00:33:20.740 --> 00:33:22.500 i could get an emulator on my phone for that 00:33:22.500 --> 00:33:24.359 because i would play that that'd be fucking rad 00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.559 dude yeah dude i'm about to get so much less 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.740 work done oh yeah especially if i can play the 00:33:30.740 --> 00:33:33.839 game without fucking kid icarus and all that 00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.880 shit hell yeah you know what game i would play 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:41.000 right now bubble bobble yeah yeah i'd bubble 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:50.059 some that wasn't a constant one in my life i 00:33:50.059 --> 00:33:53.039 didn't play a lot of that uh my formative years 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:57.980 were around uh altered beast rise from your grave 00:33:57.980 --> 00:34:02.700 that game fucking slaps dude that was second 00:34:02.700 --> 00:34:08.179 right yes yeah okay that was a good game power 00:34:08.179 --> 00:34:10.900 up so that was what there was like the chick 00:34:10.900 --> 00:34:12.579 there was the barbarian and there was the dwarf 00:34:12.579 --> 00:34:15.900 uh was there a dwarf i don't remember maybe i'm 00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:17.400 thinking of a different thing i think it was 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:19.340 just like the two i might be thinking of a different 00:34:19.340 --> 00:34:22.239 game did you ever run around in like their underwear 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:23.980 with some chains and then you get like a power 00:34:23.980 --> 00:34:26.179 up and you kind of like go out slightly like 00:34:26.179 --> 00:34:29.239 canthra pick or whatever and then like i'm gonna 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.719 look this up and then you get another one and 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:34.500 then you're like a full wearman did you ever 00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:40.579 play the dungeons and dragons like beat them 00:34:40.579 --> 00:34:43.000 up like arcade beat them up i think that's what 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.059 i'm thinking There was a Dungeons and Dragons 00:34:46.059 --> 00:34:47.840 arcade beat -em -up from, like, I want to say 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:51.179 Konami. Like, it was a Japanese game. Was it 00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:53.480 the animated series characters? So it's just 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:56.900 children beating each other? Original characters, 00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.019 but you leveled up. Like, you got experience. 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.340 You leveled up. You collected items. Like, they 00:35:01.340 --> 00:35:04.840 really kind of took the theme. Wow, this sounds 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:09.980 a lot like Shaq Fu. Like, there's a story, and, 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:14.039 like, you kind of get better. But the story doesn't. 00:35:14.650 --> 00:35:16.730 Yeah, but the story doesn't because you're Shaq. 00:35:16.730 --> 00:35:18.989 Because it's Shaq Fu, right? I fucking love Shaq 00:35:18.989 --> 00:35:23.949 Fu. So bad. Do you remember? Oh, man, Shaq was 00:35:23.949 --> 00:35:27.510 hot for a minute. It was weird. Do you remember 00:35:27.510 --> 00:35:31.650 when Shaq had the like Arizona like cream sodas 00:35:31.650 --> 00:35:33.969 or whatever? It was like the soda Shaq brand. 00:35:35.170 --> 00:35:38.369 No. Oh, man. And they were giant cans with Shaq 00:35:38.369 --> 00:35:40.110 on them. Yeah. Well, I mean, they were Arizona 00:35:40.110 --> 00:35:44.630 tea size cans. Yeah. Fucking still 99 cents. 00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:48.429 I just remember when they tried to make him a 00:35:48.429 --> 00:35:53.070 movie star. Oh, dude, Man of Steel is still great, 00:35:53.230 --> 00:36:02.130 and so is Kazam. Is it? I've never watched Steel 00:36:02.130 --> 00:36:05.710 all the way through, but it's based on the DC 00:36:05.710 --> 00:36:08.329 character. Does Superman exist in that universe? 00:36:09.130 --> 00:36:11.510 You know, I haven't watched it since theaters. 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:16.619 I watched it in theater. Oh, boy. I think that 00:36:16.619 --> 00:36:19.059 came. Did that come out the same year as Joe's 00:36:19.059 --> 00:36:22.400 apartment? Oh, probably. Because that's the year 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.599 that my parents sent me down to L .A. to hang 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:27.320 out with my uncle. And he just didn't know what 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.679 to do with us at work. So he was just like because 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.719 he was like a photographer. He's like, I can't 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:33.840 have these fucking kids around. I rent half my 00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.639 two years apart. Two years. One year apart. OK. 00:36:37.550 --> 00:36:39.949 uh yeah he'd be like i don't know what to do 00:36:39.949 --> 00:36:42.570 with these kids i rent have my fucking studio 00:36:42.570 --> 00:36:47.329 to a porn shop or a porn studio and so he would 00:36:47.329 --> 00:36:50.690 just drop us off at uh the theater in the morning 00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:53.429 we're like 12 year old kids from rural oregon 00:36:53.429 --> 00:36:56.789 and he drops us off at a megaplex in los angeles 00:36:56.789 --> 00:37:01.329 he's like i'll be back in six hours enjoy joe's 00:37:01.329 --> 00:37:03.539 apartment and Whatever else is out right now. 00:37:03.539 --> 00:37:05.639 He'd give us money for one ticket. This is my 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.840 ultra conservative, like Rush Limbaugh listening 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.199 uncle who looks like a shorter, fatter Michael 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.219 Moore. And he'd drop us off at the theater and 00:37:15.219 --> 00:37:18.079 he'd be like, here's enough money for one ticket 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:22.340 each. I'll see you in six hours. So I can't tell 00:37:22.340 --> 00:37:24.119 you how many times I went back and forth just 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:26.280 watching Joe's apartment. Like I'd start some 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:29.500 movie and it's like, this movie sucks. I'm going 00:37:29.500 --> 00:37:32.420 to go. God, my dad's calling me. It's like he 00:37:32.420 --> 00:37:36.599 knows I'm talking about his family. And then 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.539 I just always go back to Joe's apartment. I got 00:37:38.539 --> 00:37:42.159 a real fun fact. I got a real fun fact for the 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:46.059 kid from Kazam is now just his career is just 00:37:46.059 --> 00:37:50.119 playing like scuzzy mid -level bad guys and things. 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.199 Perfect. Really? Like what was his last scuzzy 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.340 mid -level bad guy role? He was he's in a bunch 00:37:56.340 --> 00:38:00.000 of Veronica Mars. Never seen it. Josie would. 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.840 He was in some bones. Josie would know. Yeah. 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:06.699 He was in blue bloods. He just plays a gangster. 00:38:06.820 --> 00:38:09.820 He just plays like he's a TV gangster. He's a 00:38:09.820 --> 00:38:13.039 TV gangster. Yes. But he plays like ethnic adjacent 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:16.260 gangster, like ethnically ambiguous gangster. 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:23.599 Oh, he's he's the new Ben Kingsley. All right. 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:28.599 Box office for July 1996. So like a big banger 00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:34.300 summer hit 96. Superstar actors. Well, one and 00:38:34.300 --> 00:38:38.099 then one like. That is now super considered to 00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:44.900 be a great actor. Cool world. No. Big sci -fi 00:38:44.900 --> 00:38:52.780 shenanigan. Aliens invade Earth. Is it Mars attacks? 00:38:52.940 --> 00:38:56.550 No. It's the other one that's not funny. Independence 00:38:56.550 --> 00:39:01.190 Day? Yes. Okay. All right. Who was the big actor 00:39:01.190 --> 00:39:06.030 in that? Jeff Goldblum? Because he was already 00:39:06.030 --> 00:39:08.250 huge. Fucking Earth Women are easy? Come on. 00:39:08.929 --> 00:39:12.550 Will Smith was the big actor for that one. Jeff 00:39:12.550 --> 00:39:16.769 Goldblum was like the good get. Wait, the rapper 00:39:16.769 --> 00:39:21.570 Will Smith? The guy from Parents Just Don't Understand? 00:39:21.929 --> 00:39:24.349 He's rapping again. He put out a new album. Yeah, 00:39:24.409 --> 00:39:28.250 he did. It's badly. There's a great music video 00:39:28.250 --> 00:39:32.349 for it. It's bad. Yeah. So I never cared for 00:39:32.349 --> 00:39:34.829 his rapping. And to be real, if I have to listen 00:39:34.829 --> 00:39:38.969 to summertime one more time, like it's only July 00:39:38.969 --> 00:39:42.630 3rd. If I have to hear summertime one more time 00:39:42.630 --> 00:39:48.050 on the radio. So relevant for us, number seven 00:39:48.050 --> 00:39:51.940 was The Rock. OK. So you maybe went and saw that 00:39:51.940 --> 00:39:53.980 after you saw Joe's apartment. It's possible. 00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:56.659 Joe's apartment is not on this list. That does 00:39:56.659 --> 00:39:59.760 not surprise me. Number 11, Multiplicity. That's 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:01.340 because you didn't get it all your money. I've 00:40:01.340 --> 00:40:04.039 never seen Multiplicity. Yeah. Did you see Eraser? 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.760 Eraser? Not that summer. With Schwarzenegger. 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:11.239 Yeah. What about Phenomenon with Travolta? I 00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:13.639 mean, I've seen these films, but not when I was 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.619 11. Right. Striptease probably missed that one. 00:40:17.420 --> 00:40:21.030 I saw Striptease. in theaters well in a drive 00:40:21.030 --> 00:40:25.570 -in uh my dad took us to see uh lion king and 00:40:25.570 --> 00:40:29.369 um blank check as a double feature uh but striptease 00:40:29.369 --> 00:40:31.690 was playing on the screen behind us so none of 00:40:31.690 --> 00:40:33.989 the kids were paying attention to the fucking 00:40:33.989 --> 00:40:37.150 lion king nobody cared about simba's story incredible 00:40:37.150 --> 00:40:40.309 wait did i already say kazam was 12 no okay so 00:40:40.309 --> 00:40:44.190 kazam was 12 Wow. And then later Mission Impossible 00:40:44.190 --> 00:40:46.289 and then Dragonheart, which is what I saw for 00:40:46.289 --> 00:40:50.230 my birthday that year. Kazam outperformed Mission 00:40:50.230 --> 00:40:53.150 Impossible. Mission Impossible came out earlier. 00:40:53.469 --> 00:40:56.949 Oh, OK. So this is still right. It's tailing 00:40:56.949 --> 00:40:58.530 off. I was going to be like, are you fucking 00:40:58.530 --> 00:41:02.489 giving me Shaq? Got a higher opening weekend 00:41:02.489 --> 00:41:05.929 than Tom Cruise. Yeah, no, not the case. Unfortunate. 00:41:06.590 --> 00:41:10.030 Joe's apartment. It was such a shit. Oh, it's 00:41:10.030 --> 00:41:12.409 a terrible movie. Kevin O 'Connell is a terrible 00:41:12.409 --> 00:41:17.070 actor. But all those cockroaches, man. Yeah, 00:41:17.130 --> 00:41:20.070 great. That part was great characters. I miss 00:41:20.070 --> 00:41:23.289 Bob Hoskins. Yeah, Bob Hoskins is great. His 00:41:23.289 --> 00:41:27.329 character is great in this. Also, Shmi. Great 00:41:27.329 --> 00:41:30.070 Shmi. Oh, he was a good. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, 00:41:30.130 --> 00:41:32.510 of course. Who framed Roger Rabbit? Amazing. 00:41:33.150 --> 00:41:36.369 That's a great, great performance. Bob Hoskins 00:41:36.369 --> 00:41:39.469 rules. Yeah. Yeah. And also in this movie, he 00:41:39.469 --> 00:41:41.369 rules like he's a bad guy and everyone knows 00:41:41.369 --> 00:41:43.070 he's a bad guy, but everyone's also like, yeah, 00:41:43.190 --> 00:41:46.250 he's all right. I like that guy. I love at the 00:41:46.250 --> 00:41:48.210 end of this movie. He's just like, yeah, I'm 00:41:48.210 --> 00:41:49.369 going to get out. I'm going to get out while 00:41:49.369 --> 00:41:52.130 the getting is good. Going to just go back to 00:41:52.130 --> 00:41:55.190 jail for six months and go own a horse farm. 00:41:55.750 --> 00:41:58.989 Yeah. But Frenchie hooked him up. He's like, 00:41:58.989 --> 00:42:01.570 yeah, you're going to love what we got you in 00:42:01.570 --> 00:42:04.389 Sing Sing. It's carpeted or whatever he said. 00:42:04.670 --> 00:42:06.170 Better than whatever you've been dealing with. 00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.940 Man, Frenchie. Yeah. What a dude. Fucking baller, 00:42:10.940 --> 00:42:13.340 dude. Oh, wait. We didn't talk about, and I feel 00:42:13.340 --> 00:42:15.980 like we have to mention, the knife to the throat 00:42:15.980 --> 00:42:19.480 scene. Oh, yeah. Frenchie's real, like, exhibition 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:24.079 of insanity. Or Duchess. Yeah, Duchess. Sorry. 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.440 Frenchie's cool. Yeah. When Dutch, like, just... 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.400 Knives a guy through the throat. Gets on that 00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:33.539 guy. For telling a joke. Granted, a racist and 00:42:33.539 --> 00:42:36.260 anti -Semitic joke, but... Well, he was also, 00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.539 like... dutch's former like rival in the game 00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:43.420 like yeah he's competition yeah and they just 00:42:43.420 --> 00:42:47.059 and uh hoskins just brokered peace and dutch 00:42:47.059 --> 00:42:50.900 loses it and like knife through the back like 00:42:50.900 --> 00:42:54.480 front of the throat back of the throat yeah my 00:42:54.480 --> 00:43:00.400 note was oh damn throat stab yeah i started this 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.320 movie uh i started this movie last night kind 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:04.659 of late and i was just like i don't know if i'm 00:43:04.659 --> 00:43:06.460 getting into this tonight then like you know 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.079 knife to the throat i'm like all right let's 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.699 see where this goes yeah dutch was an interesting 00:43:12.699 --> 00:43:14.539 character i mean i don't think we have to spend 00:43:14.539 --> 00:43:17.760 a ton of time on it but like james remar plays 00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.059 a psycho really fucking well yeah yeah he's he's 00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:23.699 played a bad guy in i think every movie i've 00:43:23.699 --> 00:43:27.840 ever seen and it's like the face like his jaw 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.219 just goes down he's pissed off and you can tell 00:43:31.219 --> 00:43:34.000 he's pissed you know it's like he's gonna fucking 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.340 stab you with a knife or like a piece of bone 00:43:36.340 --> 00:43:39.480 from a ham or something you're like i'm not gonna 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:41.840 fuck around with that guy i like that he gets 00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:45.659 killed in a urinal yeah well kind of well he 00:43:45.659 --> 00:43:47.800 was taking a leak and yeah he got shot he did 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:50.480 wander out yeah he dies at the table but like 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:54.219 arguably iced at a urinal yeah yeah again like 00:43:54.219 --> 00:43:56.739 another like weirdly anticlimactic scene like 00:43:56.739 --> 00:44:00.659 he just gets he you know threatens to get dixie 00:44:00.659 --> 00:44:04.110 then Five minutes later is gunned down in a bathroom 00:44:04.110 --> 00:44:08.449 and that and then that story is over. Yeah, I 00:44:08.449 --> 00:44:11.429 resolution, man. The amount of like overkill 00:44:11.429 --> 00:44:14.190 in that scene was impressive to me. It's like 00:44:14.190 --> 00:44:17.170 they shoot those dudes in the head like very 00:44:17.170 --> 00:44:21.030 effectively and then they shoot him a bunch and 00:44:21.030 --> 00:44:23.530 he's presumably dead and they walk out and then 00:44:23.530 --> 00:44:28.110 they Tommy gun everybody a whole bunch to make 00:44:28.110 --> 00:44:30.550 sure that the bullet in the brain didn't do it. 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.559 Yeah. Probably destroy evidence. Just make it 00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.579 look a lot messier. Send a message. Destroy evidence. 00:44:37.019 --> 00:44:39.940 Yeah. Well, we want to know which bullet did 00:44:39.940 --> 00:44:44.659 it. Exactly. It's not a professional hit. That's 00:44:44.659 --> 00:44:47.800 true. Amateurs. Yeah. Yeah. They just all have 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:49.860 these perfect circles in their foreheads. Also, 00:44:49.900 --> 00:44:52.420 you buy a fucking Tommy gun. You use a fucking 00:44:52.420 --> 00:44:55.260 Tommy gun. That's true. That sounds like a lot 00:44:55.260 --> 00:44:58.760 of fun. Yeah. Oh, I was just going to say, with 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.880 both this and Rumblefish, like, The weird attention 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:06.360 to gory detail in terms of bullet wounds is impressive. 00:45:06.579 --> 00:45:10.980 Yeah. Yeah. Coppola is weird. That's my final 00:45:10.980 --> 00:45:13.059 take on all of this. It's like Coppola is weird. 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.920 Apparently he makes weird movies, very artsy 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:19.659 movies. I have not seen Megalopolis. I don't 00:45:19.659 --> 00:45:22.099 know. It's a long weekend. Maybe I kind of want 00:45:22.099 --> 00:45:25.829 to now. Yeah, I mean, I'll try it someday, but 00:45:25.829 --> 00:45:28.769 I feel like that needs to be a like a Tenet movie 00:45:28.769 --> 00:45:31.389 where we we try and watch it together. Yeah, 00:45:31.489 --> 00:45:34.090 but it's four hours. Well, we can watch it backwards. 00:45:34.269 --> 00:45:36.929 That's a lot of trying to hang out together all 00:45:36.929 --> 00:45:40.389 at once. That's true. That is a lot. I like these 00:45:40.389 --> 00:45:43.489 in one hour segments. Yeah, like this isn't fucking. 00:45:43.789 --> 00:45:48.869 We'll hang out one hour a week for a month. Oh, 00:45:48.969 --> 00:45:51.670 man, we need to do an Ice Pirates podcast. uh 00:45:51.670 --> 00:45:54.989 yeah just continuously watching ice pirates yes 00:45:54.989 --> 00:46:00.329 and i'm always hung over as shit god i felt like 00:46:00.329 --> 00:46:04.550 death that day but it was the right movie it 00:46:04.550 --> 00:46:08.469 was the right movie for the day uh the set i 00:46:08.469 --> 00:46:11.650 enjoy i love the cinematography i enjoy all of 00:46:11.650 --> 00:46:17.570 the um performances individually um i'm never 00:46:17.570 --> 00:46:19.489 gonna go i'm never gonna re -watch this movie 00:46:19.489 --> 00:46:24.119 for the plot you can just say i'm never gonna 00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:28.079 re -watch this movie that's fine but there are 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.440 definitely scenes i'm going to watch again i'm 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:32.480 going to watch the end of this movie again i'm 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.199 gonna watch a lot of like the cotton club like 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.280 performances again like there are aspects of 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.280 this movie just visually i want to see again 00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:42.940 i don't give a fuck about the plot of this film 00:46:42.940 --> 00:46:48.190 yeah uh i i could easily take this as I'll never 00:46:48.190 --> 00:46:50.269 watch this movie again, but I enjoyed it more 00:46:50.269 --> 00:46:54.949 than Rumblefish. See, I'm going to watch Rumblefish 00:46:54.949 --> 00:46:57.909 again. I really liked Rumblefish. Yeah, that's 00:46:57.909 --> 00:47:00.670 fine. What you do in Oregon, you can do in Oregon. 00:47:01.530 --> 00:47:06.349 Yeah. Nick Cage drag show. Yeah. Yeah. You have 00:47:06.349 --> 00:47:09.050 to go to that Nick Cage. I have tickets. I bought 00:47:09.050 --> 00:47:11.619 tickets immediately. Perfect. So for the listeners, 00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.179 if you live in the Portland area, Clinton Street 00:47:14.179 --> 00:47:18.639 Theater on the 24th of July, Uncaged and Nicolas 00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:22.000 Cage drag show. So that's going to be fucking 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:25.139 wild. Yeah. Try to figure out which one is Sean. 00:47:25.300 --> 00:47:27.679 I really hope that somebody shows up in the character 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:33.059 from Zandali when he shows up. Johnny, Jimmy, 00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.139 Johnny, whatever. And he shows up and he does 00:47:35.139 --> 00:47:40.010 that thing. Oh, yeah. His hair is backlit. somebody 00:47:40.010 --> 00:47:43.190 i i need to find this clip again somebody shared 00:47:43.190 --> 00:47:49.170 a video with me of a semi -renowned drag king 00:47:49.170 --> 00:47:56.289 who does a nick cage themed performance and i 00:47:56.289 --> 00:47:59.889 can't remember the song but the word or the the 00:47:59.889 --> 00:48:02.630 letter b the word b b was prominent in the song 00:48:02.630 --> 00:48:04.530 but every time that lyric came up it would just 00:48:04.530 --> 00:48:10.130 be like bees the breeze was it How do I live 00:48:10.130 --> 00:48:18.190 without bees? I've got the bees. How do I live? 00:48:18.789 --> 00:48:22.570 Is that it? No. That song sucks then. Yeah, fuck 00:48:22.570 --> 00:48:25.130 that. Yeah, our song kicks ass. Yeah, sorry you 00:48:25.130 --> 00:48:31.070 have a bad song, Sean. Old bad song, Sean. So, 00:48:31.190 --> 00:48:33.889 okay, last thing, because we haven't done this 00:48:33.889 --> 00:48:37.539 in a while, the Cage Performance Grid. Good movie, 00:48:37.699 --> 00:48:40.500 good Cage, bad, good, good, bad, bad, bad, bad, 00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:44.619 good, bad. Close enough. I think Nick Cage is 00:48:44.619 --> 00:48:48.260 pretty good in this. Like I said, this is the 00:48:48.260 --> 00:48:50.800 first time in kind of the start of his career 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.980 where we see, you know, the hints of that character 00:48:52.980 --> 00:48:55.019 actor. And, you know, he doesn't have a lot of 00:48:55.019 --> 00:48:56.579 screen time, but he uses it well. And I'm like, 00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.360 yeah, that's Nick Cage. I like it. Yeah, I agree. 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:01.699 I think Nick Cage does really well. I think it's 00:49:01.699 --> 00:49:03.760 a, you know, I'll even say it's a pretty good 00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.739 movie. You have to want that kind of movie. Yeah. 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:08.139 If you're in the mood for this, I mean, it's 00:49:08.139 --> 00:49:12.780 long. It's yeah. The plot meanders. Yeah. Yeah. 00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:16.619 But it's interesting. I don't remember the last 00:49:16.619 --> 00:49:19.139 time I thought about Richard Gere outside of 00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:20.960 like romantic comedy. The last time I thought 00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:22.579 about Richard Gere was when we recorded Rumble 00:49:22.579 --> 00:49:24.559 Fish and I thought he was in The Outsiders because 00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:28.199 I was reading about Cotton Club earlier. So, 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.079 yeah, that's the last time I thought about Richard 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:35.440 Gere. I used to have a. oh god what was that 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:40.019 like so there was a some kind of like form of 00:49:40.019 --> 00:49:42.619 media that looked like giant records you're talking 00:49:42.619 --> 00:49:45.780 about laser disc no they weren't like laser discs 00:49:45.780 --> 00:49:49.300 they looked like vinyl records but they were 00:49:49.300 --> 00:49:51.940 on these weird cassette things that were record 00:49:51.940 --> 00:49:54.179 like slightly larger than a record and inserted 00:49:54.179 --> 00:49:56.659 whoa and i don't know what it is but i used to 00:49:56.659 --> 00:50:00.250 have a copy of breathless on that that i just 00:50:00.250 --> 00:50:02.750 kept because for some reason there was a part 00:50:02.750 --> 00:50:05.489 of my identity that was like oh that's nick he 00:50:05.489 --> 00:50:08.550 likes richard gear movies this was like at the 00:50:08.550 --> 00:50:10.889 height of his like gerbil butt scandal oh yeah 00:50:10.889 --> 00:50:14.010 and i was like yeah nick's big on gerbil but 00:50:14.010 --> 00:50:16.969 like he didn't do it and if he did that's his 00:50:16.969 --> 00:50:20.110 business so patreon supporter josh tell us what 00:50:20.110 --> 00:50:23.070 media nick is talking about because i don't know 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:26.260 I might still have it. This is the sort of thing 00:50:26.260 --> 00:50:29.519 that I probably never got rid of. I'll look around. 00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.219 Yeah. All right. I forgot about the gerbil thing. 00:50:32.750 --> 00:50:35.969 no i never forget about the triple thing whether 00:50:35.969 --> 00:50:38.309 it's true or not doesn't matter yeah whenever 00:50:38.309 --> 00:50:40.150 somebody says when was the last time you thought 00:50:40.150 --> 00:50:42.329 about richard gear like immediately i'm thinking 00:50:42.329 --> 00:50:44.829 about the gerbil things right now whether god 00:50:44.829 --> 00:50:48.710 i love the early free internet where anything 00:50:48.710 --> 00:50:51.710 goes oh yeah no fact checking you can say whatever 00:50:51.710 --> 00:50:54.130 you want i'm sorry for all the people that were 00:50:54.130 --> 00:50:56.489 hurt by it well that's a good point well it's 00:50:56.489 --> 00:50:59.889 easier to disprove things at this point but like 00:50:59.889 --> 00:51:03.070 this is is it Yeah, because there's just more 00:51:03.070 --> 00:51:06.090 sites that are dedicated to disproving stuff. 00:51:06.429 --> 00:51:09.989 But like back in the early 2000s, if somebody 00:51:09.989 --> 00:51:13.510 on the Internet was like, hey, this famous guy 00:51:13.510 --> 00:51:16.630 shoved a gerbil in his butt. Literally, there 00:51:16.630 --> 00:51:19.889 aren't sites being like Richard Gere didn't do 00:51:19.889 --> 00:51:23.030 that. Like the best you could get is like a quote 00:51:23.030 --> 00:51:27.110 or like if he even deigned to respond to this 00:51:27.110 --> 00:51:30.449 sort of thing. Unlikely. Yeah. Of like. I didn't 00:51:30.449 --> 00:51:32.289 put a gerbil in my butt. Like, that's the best 00:51:32.289 --> 00:51:34.949 you can get. Easily disprovable things. It's 00:51:34.949 --> 00:51:37.630 just like, OK, well, I'm going to leave Breitbart 00:51:37.630 --> 00:51:42.210 and I'm going to look at Snopes. I don't know. 00:51:43.110 --> 00:51:46.050 What was the last thing Richard Gere did? I don't 00:51:46.050 --> 00:51:48.389 put a gerbil in his butt. Like we just discussed 00:51:48.389 --> 00:51:50.769 this. Like literally, that's what just happened. 00:51:50.889 --> 00:51:54.679 And then just gerbil in his ass. Yeah. I think 00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:57.039 he's in a constant state of ass gerbiling and 00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:01.500 that's fine. That's his thing. Leave the man 00:52:01.500 --> 00:52:05.380 alone. Leave Richard alone. What if he has like, 00:52:05.500 --> 00:52:07.739 you know, the tubes that you would put a gerbil 00:52:07.739 --> 00:52:09.880 in a cage? What if he has that just like from 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.659 his ass through to like an outlet port? What 00:52:13.659 --> 00:52:16.400 if hold on and stay with me on this one? Yeah, 00:52:16.460 --> 00:52:19.900 I'm right. What if every morning the gerbil tubes 00:52:19.900 --> 00:52:22.980 into his butt like a daily commute, sits down 00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:26.579 at a desk and just pumps out like whatever a 00:52:26.579 --> 00:52:29.119 Richard Gere asked gerbil does for eight hours. 00:52:29.219 --> 00:52:32.059 And at the end of the day, Richard goes back, 00:52:32.099 --> 00:52:36.079 just. beep beep beep backs up into the tube and 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.039 the gerbil comes out like little punch card like 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.260 clocks out for the day it's a tough business 00:52:41.260 --> 00:52:45.639 but you know it's a living yeah okay i'm gonna 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:49.059 oh that's all folks no i'm gonna pivot i'm gonna 00:52:49.059 --> 00:52:52.440 there's one last thing i want to do i want to 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:57.179 pitch a new nicholas cage film lord i want a 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:03.079 sequel to the rock i wanted to feature nicholas 00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.539 cage and sean connery's daughter from the film 00:53:05.539 --> 00:53:09.360 and i want them to escape from alligator alcatraz 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:14.360 okay there's flooding there's gators there's 00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:19.500 weird swamp men it's perfect yeah it tracks i 00:53:19.500 --> 00:53:22.099 like it she's probably getting deported because 00:53:22.099 --> 00:53:25.719 her dad was illegally in the country true yeah 00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:29.969 uh And her birthright citizenship has been removed. 00:53:30.530 --> 00:53:33.030 Yeah. Villainous president. This is great. Yeah. 00:53:33.269 --> 00:53:37.630 I'm in. Yeah. Trump orders a nuke to be dropped 00:53:37.630 --> 00:53:40.949 on Florida because he's a fucking idiot. Exactly. 00:53:42.309 --> 00:53:44.769 Well, if you want to support us making this movie, 00:53:44.969 --> 00:53:47.849 you can support us on Patreon at Cage Match. 00:53:48.130 --> 00:53:52.590 Yeah, we are. Thank you to our Sparkle Buddies. 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.320 Josh, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam, Bill, and Stuart. 00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:58.099 And to our Caged Dancers, Ira, John, Nathan, 00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:03.940 and Cameron. Stuart. Bill. Stuart. Bill. Also, 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:07.320 another good quote from this movie is, what's 00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:23.010 in that bugle case? Bugle. Yeah. Bye. Bye. oh 00:54:23.010 --> 00:54:24.550 we're gonna have to circle back to this when 00:54:24.550 --> 00:54:27.170 we talk about spider -man now oh yeah for sure 00:54:27.170 --> 00:54:30.690 yeah we'll have a flashback hey peter remember 00:54:30.690 --> 00:54:33.090 to put this in later current peter remember to 00:54:33.090 --> 00:54:36.670 tell future peter to flashback to previous peter 00:54:36.670 --> 00:54:40.349 yeah okay i'll do my best okay cool nice i mean 00:54:40.349 --> 00:54:42.090 fuck we gotta keep this thing going for probably 00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:44.510 at least two more years until the final spider 00:54:44.510 --> 00:54:46.309 -verse movie comes out since nick cage is yeah 00:54:46.309 --> 00:54:48.449 i think that's probably about where we'll die 00:54:48.449 --> 00:54:52.880 yeah The heat death of this podcast and my brain. 00:54:55.380 --> 00:54:56.179 Neat. Yeah.