WEBVTT 00:00:00.809 --> 00:00:03.750 Hello, everyone. This is producer Peter. We've 00:00:03.750 --> 00:00:05.710 got a really nice episode today. We have repeating 00:00:05.710 --> 00:00:09.109 guest Tank back to talk about Francis Ford Coppola's 00:00:09.109 --> 00:00:11.869 Rumblefish, which is a really interesting movie 00:00:11.869 --> 00:00:15.140 that we have. a fair amount of stuff to say about 00:00:15.140 --> 00:00:19.140 um but the bummer is that after doing the recording 00:00:19.140 --> 00:00:23.739 i found that the audio file for nick myself and 00:00:23.739 --> 00:00:27.539 tank corrupted and we lost that so we're using 00:00:27.539 --> 00:00:29.280 our backup scratch track which doesn't sound 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:31.980 as good and you know has some issues but i tried 00:00:31.980 --> 00:00:33.500 to clean it up as much as possible to make it 00:00:33.500 --> 00:00:36.539 decent and i hope you still enjoy listening um 00:00:36.539 --> 00:00:39.100 and sean's audio is great so uh there's that 00:00:39.100 --> 00:01:06.599 anyway enjoy There's a guy who dresses like Batman 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:09.000 and then just jet skis around Lake Washington 00:01:09.609 --> 00:01:12.109 Or Lake Union. I have not seen it. It's fucking 00:01:12.109 --> 00:01:13.909 sick. I don't know if it was, like, Washington. 00:01:14.010 --> 00:01:15.890 I think it is Washington. There's a guy with 00:01:15.890 --> 00:01:20.989 a hot dog motorboat. Oh, I saw a video of a hot 00:01:20.989 --> 00:01:22.989 dog boat. I didn't know that was in Washington. 00:01:23.150 --> 00:01:24.569 I was talking about that earlier today. I was 00:01:24.569 --> 00:01:26.549 like, if that ever happens, somebody should wake 00:01:26.549 --> 00:01:31.569 me up. He was rolling around, just blasting ACDC's 00:01:31.569 --> 00:01:35.569 Thunders. Of course. I was babbling nonstop. 00:01:36.780 --> 00:01:40.400 just like look i'm just really over the top wait 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:44.280 did you guys move to portland or did i because 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:47.939 this this is weird i think uh it was funny i 00:01:47.939 --> 00:01:51.519 was like every time there is a uh slightly horny 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:54.599 slightly violent surreal dreamscape movie you're 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:56.480 like yeah we should get we should probably yeah 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:59.109 everybody like it's like a It's like a French 00:01:59.109 --> 00:02:01.569 gangster who took some Ambien and woke up with 00:02:01.569 --> 00:02:04.450 a moderate hard -on. Yeah. Like, let's make a 00:02:04.450 --> 00:02:05.930 movie about that and bring in Tank and have him 00:02:05.930 --> 00:02:08.629 talk about it. So let's do it. Perfect. I already 00:02:08.629 --> 00:02:10.909 have the French gangster. Motorcycle, by the 00:02:10.909 --> 00:02:13.710 way. We were talking about it today. I was hoping 00:02:13.710 --> 00:02:15.949 that every time we talk to each other, we'd just 00:02:15.949 --> 00:02:19.189 start with Rusty James. Rusty James. Rusty James. 00:02:19.289 --> 00:02:21.150 Rusty James. Every sentence starts and ends with 00:02:21.150 --> 00:02:24.469 Rusty James. Oh, my God. I love that his name 00:02:24.469 --> 00:02:26.409 is just Russell James, and then they're like, 00:02:26.530 --> 00:02:29.550 nope, Rusty James. What a cool gang name. Yeah, 00:02:29.569 --> 00:02:31.310 for real. Yeah, what would be your gang name? 00:02:32.330 --> 00:02:36.330 Fang. Fang. Dang, I was thinking Fang, too. Yeah. 00:02:36.949 --> 00:02:39.069 See, I think it makes more sense for me to be 00:02:39.069 --> 00:02:40.830 Fang, seeing as everything I wear is from Wild 00:02:40.830 --> 00:02:43.090 Fang. Mine actually makes sense. Why is everybody 00:02:43.090 --> 00:02:45.629 going Fang? It's just a bit tight -ass. It's 00:02:45.629 --> 00:02:49.969 just capitalism. Fuck you, you corporate shill. 00:02:50.050 --> 00:03:00.199 I'm going to be Scratchers. Tank is my business. 00:03:01.979 --> 00:03:05.520 That's what I take into the straight world. Scratchers 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:11.520 is where I go at night. So this is Cage Match, 00:03:11.620 --> 00:03:13.419 apparently, calling around about meeting Nicolas 00:03:13.419 --> 00:03:15.800 Cage. I'm your host, Sean, here with my co -host. 00:03:16.060 --> 00:03:20.219 And I'm Nick. And our producer. Peter, hello. 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.219 Hey, you kind of did it better this time. Yeah, 00:03:23.259 --> 00:03:24.939 I've been... Well, no, I haven't been practicing. 00:03:24.939 --> 00:03:28.539 You've been practicing bullshit. I forgot we 00:03:28.539 --> 00:03:30.960 were even doing a podcast anymore until you texted 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.680 me the other day. Yeah, we're going to do all 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:35.520 the back catalog. We're getting all the bangers. 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.139 The movies that don't actually feature Nick Cage. 00:03:38.539 --> 00:03:41.400 Somewhat feature Nick Cage. Well, yeah, when 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:43.539 you're like, what, uncle or second cousin makes 00:03:43.539 --> 00:03:44.979 the movie and you have to show up because your 00:03:44.979 --> 00:03:48.520 name is... Because you're a Coppola. We're in 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:54.219 the and also Nick Cage genre. era now. The what? 00:03:54.539 --> 00:03:57.840 And also Nick Cage. Oh, yeah. It's also the Nepo 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:00.120 version for these first couple movies. Sophia 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:04.520 Coppola, I gotta just say, sucks so fucking bad. 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:07.780 Oh, Sophia Coppola is still terrible. I cannot 00:04:07.780 --> 00:04:12.599 stand her at all. Her directing work is fine. 00:04:12.659 --> 00:04:14.719 As an actor, and I know she's a kid in this, 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:18.100 she sucks. She's so bad. I fully expected her 00:04:18.100 --> 00:04:22.259 to get retroactively better. and then just suck 00:04:22.259 --> 00:04:25.339 later in her career? No, not true. Started bad, 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.639 ended bad. Also returning this week, our friend 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.279 Tank. Hi, Tank. Hey, everybody. I'm here not 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:33.660 to besmirch the career of Sofia Coppola. Only 00:04:33.660 --> 00:04:35.600 the acting career. Oh, I don't care at all. I 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:37.319 really just don't care. Like, there's not a movie 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:38.560 that she's in. I'm like, oh, that's the one I 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:41.139 want. By the way, this is a great movie. We'll 00:04:41.139 --> 00:04:43.079 talk about that later. But, like, you can put 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:45.199 any kid in there. Kids are terrible. Kids are 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.319 terrible actors. Nine times out of ten. How do 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:51.819 you feel if... Finn Wolfhard was the sister. 00:04:53.500 --> 00:04:56.199 At any age. At any age, yeah, sure, I would love 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:58.139 that, but that's a really bold thing. It's a 00:04:58.139 --> 00:05:00.959 pretty expressionistic movie anyway. 27 -year 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:02.759 -old Finn Wolfhard. Really, like, gender flip 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:04.819 a daughter character and, like, not acknowledge 00:05:04.819 --> 00:05:07.360 it would have been outstanding. That silly, shaggy, 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:12.009 like, fucking Joey Ramone hair he's got. So this 00:05:12.009 --> 00:05:18.449 week we are discussing the 1983 film Rumblefish, 00:05:18.689 --> 00:05:23.509 which I'd never heard of before. And now I have 00:05:23.509 --> 00:05:27.889 seen and enjoyed. Okay, good. There we go. We 00:05:27.889 --> 00:05:32.569 got to the end of it. I'm going to speak like 00:05:32.569 --> 00:05:35.829 this. So you never know when my sentence ends. 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:39.259 So you will never understand if I actually watched 00:05:39.259 --> 00:05:42.100 the movie or did research. We will know when 00:05:42.100 --> 00:05:44.360 you're done because you will end it with Rusty 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:48.660 James. Rusty James. Beautifully, though, you're 00:05:48.660 --> 00:05:50.980 on a separate audio track, so Peter can speed 00:05:50.980 --> 00:05:55.220 you up 75 % and you'll just sound like, I guess, 00:05:55.220 --> 00:05:58.779 I guess like me. just fast and annoying welcome 00:05:58.779 --> 00:06:01.579 to cage match later episodes where we exclusively 00:06:01.579 --> 00:06:04.660 discuss the mechanics of podcasting yeah yeah 00:06:04.660 --> 00:06:08.079 that's what the people are so so um are there 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.100 people left is it is anybody yes is anybody familiar 00:06:11.100 --> 00:06:14.579 with se hidden uh no is that is that an author 00:06:14.579 --> 00:06:21.100 that rings no I'm going to... I'll give a... 00:06:21.100 --> 00:06:26.060 It's a she. S .E. Hinton is an Oklahoma author, 00:06:26.259 --> 00:06:30.759 born probably in the 1940s. Began writing really 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:33.720 young, like in her teenage years. Wrote The Outsiders, 00:06:33.819 --> 00:06:37.339 Rumblefish, a handful of other books. So what's 00:06:37.339 --> 00:06:41.459 interesting is Coppola did this in Outsiders 00:06:41.459 --> 00:06:43.000 and released them in the same year, six months 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:45.759 apart. Outsiders is a very straightforward story. 00:06:46.430 --> 00:06:48.790 This one is, I think, much crazier. I think we'll 00:06:48.790 --> 00:06:51.790 get into it. So S .E. Hinton was like, I don't 00:06:51.790 --> 00:06:54.170 know, the James Patterson of Oklahoma? Actually, 00:06:55.129 --> 00:06:57.889 let me back up. It's more of like the Stephen 00:06:57.889 --> 00:07:00.529 King. She didn't do horror, but she was heavily 00:07:00.529 --> 00:07:02.189 identified with the region and wrote stories 00:07:02.189 --> 00:07:04.649 about what it was like to be in Tulsa, Oklahoma 00:07:04.649 --> 00:07:07.209 in the 50s. So while I think this probably takes 00:07:07.209 --> 00:07:08.689 place in Missouri or whatever, I don't really 00:07:08.689 --> 00:07:10.769 know. It's ultimately like she was an Oklahoma 00:07:10.769 --> 00:07:14.170 author. The fun thing about The Outsiders... 00:07:14.569 --> 00:07:16.610 was you could read that book in the seventh grade 00:07:16.610 --> 00:07:18.889 and you could write a book report on it every 00:07:18.889 --> 00:07:21.370 single year until your senior year of high school 00:07:21.370 --> 00:07:25.529 and still get like an A in like basic English. 00:07:25.930 --> 00:07:28.990 So she was sort of an outsized character growing 00:07:28.990 --> 00:07:31.129 up because she wrote like about what it was like 00:07:31.129 --> 00:07:33.470 to be in that world. And so I grew up in Oklahoma 00:07:33.470 --> 00:07:36.709 and that's what it was. But I will tell you, 00:07:36.730 --> 00:07:39.769 the movie we saw today looked nothing like any 00:07:39.769 --> 00:07:42.910 version of Oklahoma I'd ever seen in my entire 00:07:42.910 --> 00:07:45.670 life. Because it's in black and white. It's exactly 00:07:45.670 --> 00:07:47.790 true. And they have a color there now. Everything 00:07:47.790 --> 00:07:51.290 in Oklahoma was mostly like a sepia, yellowish 00:07:51.290 --> 00:07:53.290 tone until about 1985, and then we started Ed 00:07:53.290 --> 00:07:56.350 Reds and stuff like that. Bold shift. But yeah. 00:07:56.670 --> 00:07:58.529 But like Outsiders, if you watch that one, and 00:07:58.529 --> 00:08:01.189 like Outsiders just won a bunch of Tonys like 00:08:01.189 --> 00:08:03.069 a year or so ago as an opera. Not opera, sorry, 00:08:03.129 --> 00:08:06.160 as a musical. It's super straightforward. bunch 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:08.519 of handsome men and handsome situations yeah 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:13.060 and it's like it's like all of the most handsome 00:08:13.060 --> 00:08:14.939 dudes from the 1980s oh absolutely yeah it was 00:08:14.939 --> 00:08:18.240 like this was lazy and and like who else yeah 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.480 i'm like uh yeah it's like it's it's just everybody 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:26.490 it's like rob lowe it's milio estevez It's just 00:08:26.490 --> 00:08:29.170 everybody. Everybody who was remotely like, this 00:08:29.170 --> 00:08:32.330 is a potentially fuckable human being in the 00:08:32.330 --> 00:08:34.590 future got in that movie. And this one, they 00:08:34.590 --> 00:08:36.110 toned it back a little bit, but you still have 00:08:36.110 --> 00:08:40.029 these really great people pop in. They had a 00:08:40.029 --> 00:08:43.429 terrific cast. Yeah. A real banger of a Hidden 00:08:43.429 --> 00:08:46.490 Gems cast. My favorite was Tom Waits, for sure. 00:08:46.690 --> 00:08:49.690 Oh, yeah. Benny. Absolutely. What a great character. 00:08:49.950 --> 00:08:53.470 Although, I will say, I... the designer in me 00:08:53.470 --> 00:08:56.370 hates the, the B being used for Benny's billiards. 00:08:56.370 --> 00:08:58.070 Cause the first time I read that, I'm like Benny's 00:08:58.070 --> 00:09:01.389 Iliards. What's that? Even when they showed it 00:09:01.389 --> 00:09:03.370 again later, that's how my mind read it. It's 00:09:03.370 --> 00:09:05.730 actually Benny's billiards. Benny's billiards. 00:09:06.269 --> 00:09:09.049 No. Cause the B and the, the B, the Benny is 00:09:09.049 --> 00:09:12.649 like one font. Eh, whatever. The Benny is hanging 00:09:12.649 --> 00:09:14.919 out with Tom Waits. That's why you're a good 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:20.240 movie king. Tank, do you want to take a quick 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.360 synopsis of the film? What's it about for our 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.120 listeners? Alright, so you have Rusty James, 00:09:26.460 --> 00:09:30.700 who is the younger brother of what was the lead 00:09:30.700 --> 00:09:34.600 gang member of a pretty prominent group of young 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.659 men who just fought nonstop in whatever city 00:09:37.659 --> 00:09:41.139 they're in. Rusty is like the heir apparent, 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:44.320 but is a little dumber. A little less charismatic. 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:47.399 A lot dumber. A lot dumber. And just does not 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:49.139 have what it takes to carry on. But at the exact 00:09:49.139 --> 00:09:51.100 same time, his older brother, whose name I never 00:09:51.100 --> 00:09:54.220 really caught, to be honest with you. A really 00:09:54.220 --> 00:09:56.340 good Mickey Rourke. A really good motorcycle 00:09:56.340 --> 00:09:59.100 boy. A really good Mickey Rourke. Fantastic. 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:02.480 You forget what a wonderful actor. What a presence 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:04.539 that guy has on stage. He disappeared into that 00:10:04.539 --> 00:10:07.720 one. It's so weird to see Mickey Rourke before 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:10.480 he became a mannequin that came alive in a trash 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:14.460 compactor. yes right right right like we were 00:10:14.460 --> 00:10:16.320 talking about this on text like he just i think 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:18.419 he got he went to bare knuckle boxing or boxing 00:10:18.419 --> 00:10:20.080 just got the crap kicked out and did a whole 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.519 bunch of plastic surgery and just like i don't 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:24.399 know i think his body there's like a body dysmorphia 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:27.379 thing i'm not i'm no clinician yeah but i'll 00:10:27.379 --> 00:10:30.500 diagnose people on podcasts all day long uh but 00:10:30.500 --> 00:10:33.980 anyway so so motorcycle boy is basically the 00:10:33.980 --> 00:10:37.059 king and he has come back after a period of time 00:10:37.059 --> 00:10:38.620 in california when she basically has a religious 00:10:38.620 --> 00:10:41.720 experience where he realizes that the lives of 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:45.720 the kind of rumble like culture that they had 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.759 been a part of was basically hollow and he was 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:50.360 going in a dead end direction and ultimately 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:51.820 he was going to wind up in a dead end direction 00:10:51.820 --> 00:10:55.059 and at the end essentially sacrifices himself 00:10:55.059 --> 00:11:00.460 in some way in order to either evolve Rusty James 00:11:00.460 --> 00:11:03.899 or to end the culture or whatever but it's just 00:11:03.899 --> 00:11:06.539 a very nihilistic movie I think in its heart 00:11:06.539 --> 00:11:09.559 like there's not a lot of like hope at the end 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:11.679 of it no it tries to get there and never really 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:14.720 reaches it it's also like visually just very 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:18.019 expressionistic like nothing about it like so 00:11:18.019 --> 00:11:20.019 i was watching it at the very beginning i was 00:11:20.019 --> 00:11:22.700 thinking like this is like a musical with no 00:11:22.700 --> 00:11:26.059 actual like musical sequences in it like every 00:11:26.059 --> 00:11:29.360 scene looks like it's gonna lead up to like the 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:30.980 jets or whatever they're gonna start snapping 00:11:30.980 --> 00:11:32.820 and like dance fighting but they just like fight 00:11:32.820 --> 00:11:34.740 fight or they just do a thing and like i don't 00:11:34.740 --> 00:11:37.059 know it i i hated it for the first 20 minutes 00:11:37.059 --> 00:11:39.000 but by the end i was like this is killer every 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.299 it took me like it took me about 20 minutes to 00:11:41.299 --> 00:11:42.820 really kind of get into the groove of it but 00:11:42.820 --> 00:11:45.320 once i realized this is just a stage play like 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:48.159 this is if i saw this on stage if i saw like 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:49.840 if you i had a character named rusty james who 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:52.320 was only referred to as rusty james constantly 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:55.919 on stage perfectly fine with it in a movie i'm 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:58.059 like this is weird and uncomfortable well even 00:11:58.059 --> 00:11:59.740 there's a there's like a fight scene where one 00:11:59.740 --> 00:12:02.159 of the guys gets knocked down um in an alley 00:12:02.750 --> 00:12:05.990 and like his leg does this huge like melodramatic 00:12:05.990 --> 00:12:08.370 kind of flop and it's like oh yeah that would 00:12:08.370 --> 00:12:10.009 work on a stage definitely more than whatever 00:12:10.009 --> 00:12:13.129 the fuck that was also how would you do the motorcycle 00:12:13.129 --> 00:12:18.970 hitting that fucking guy put that on stage that 00:12:18.970 --> 00:12:20.909 felt like something out of a 1980s video game 00:12:20.909 --> 00:12:22.629 like a double dragon game where yeah shoot yeah 00:12:22.629 --> 00:12:27.730 yeah yeah the bicycle motorcycle he's the motorcycle 00:12:27.730 --> 00:12:31.289 boy he shows up on his motorcycle wrecks it to 00:12:31.289 --> 00:12:35.470 like kill a guy and then like loses his whole 00:12:35.470 --> 00:12:38.909 like namesake then he's just boy and that's why 00:12:38.909 --> 00:12:40.389 he's kind of drifting to the rest of the movie 00:12:40.389 --> 00:12:42.929 they steal another they steal that yamaha or 00:12:42.929 --> 00:12:44.970 whatever yeah yeah he has one more motorcycle 00:12:44.970 --> 00:12:49.370 yeah but i just i loved this the framing of everything 00:12:49.370 --> 00:12:53.769 i loved like the the abundance of fog machines 00:12:53.769 --> 00:12:58.870 even the final shot of rusty james at uh on the 00:12:58.870 --> 00:13:01.129 california coast where it's clearly just him 00:13:01.129 --> 00:13:03.309 on a soundstage with like a screen that is being 00:13:03.309 --> 00:13:06.389 back projected on but it's just it's so it's 00:13:06.389 --> 00:13:09.710 the atmosphere of this whole film is just great 00:13:09.710 --> 00:13:14.750 and like the weird angles i visually just loved 00:13:14.750 --> 00:13:18.789 this film i think it's essentially an independent 00:13:18.789 --> 00:13:22.850 movie made by the person who made the godfather 00:13:22.850 --> 00:13:25.080 yeah you know what i mean it just feels because 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.120 like again he did outsiders right before and 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.059 outsider is like a very straightforward like 00:13:29.059 --> 00:13:31.159 we're making a movie this felt like so at the 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:32.620 same time you're getting like jim jarmusch is 00:13:32.620 --> 00:13:34.539 coming in there's a lot of down by law kind of 00:13:34.539 --> 00:13:36.259 qualities there there's a lot of this kind of 00:13:36.259 --> 00:13:39.360 like ultra indie black and white you know motivated 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:42.320 camera like we're gonna go really big and expressionistic 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:45.159 with the way things are weird angles the fish 00:13:45.820 --> 00:13:48.100 thing yeah in color there's that scene that's 00:13:48.100 --> 00:13:50.879 so good near the end where they're walking through 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:52.980 the kind of i don't know if it's like a fair 00:13:52.980 --> 00:13:55.379 or maybe just downtown at night and they're talking 00:13:55.379 --> 00:13:58.340 about how motorcycle boy is colorblind and also 00:13:58.340 --> 00:14:01.379 kind of deaf and the sound drowns out and comes 00:14:01.379 --> 00:14:03.700 back in and drowns out and comes back in he's 00:14:03.700 --> 00:14:06.100 talking about like why he can't see stuff and 00:14:06.100 --> 00:14:09.120 like i don't know that's a that's a artsy ass 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:12.539 move and it's like 10 minutes long it's like 00:14:12.539 --> 00:14:14.720 not a short sequence right that whole sequence 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:16.659 i it took me a minute to catch on to it but there's 00:14:16.659 --> 00:14:19.120 like whenever the focus is on motorcycle boy 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.279 talking it like deadens the sound and whenever 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.440 we get back to rusty james it's much louder and 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.980 you hear a lot more ambient sound i thought that 00:14:26.980 --> 00:14:30.059 was a really nice touch yeah it's really carefully 00:14:30.059 --> 00:14:32.620 designed like it's again it's an art house movie 00:14:32.620 --> 00:14:35.440 made by a person who made godfather 1 2 and apocalypse 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:38.419 now yeah Who went on to have a very weird career 00:14:38.419 --> 00:14:39.980 right after that. He has had a very weird career. 00:14:40.100 --> 00:14:42.659 A very weird career. I thoroughly respect that. 00:14:42.779 --> 00:14:45.220 Let's not ignore the Megalopolis of it all. Or 00:14:45.220 --> 00:14:48.460 the Jack of it all. He made Jack. I was forgetting 00:14:48.460 --> 00:14:51.179 about that. Yeah, he made Jack. He made The Rainmaker. 00:14:51.820 --> 00:14:54.700 Yeah, yeah. He made some choices. He said Jack, 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:57.120 and my brain immediately said, oh, Simple Jack. 00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:59.559 Oh, yeah. What a terrific film. No, that's a 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:01.940 film within a film. Jack is the one, the Robin 00:15:01.940 --> 00:15:05.700 Williams, who has that disease where he's a boy 00:15:05.700 --> 00:15:08.169 who... ages too fast and by the way i'd be like 00:15:08.169 --> 00:15:10.529 reverse benjamin buttons or something but i knew 00:15:10.529 --> 00:15:11.870 a guy who actually had the disease and it's so 00:15:11.870 --> 00:15:15.370 much more tragic it's not like i'm 12 and i look 00:15:15.370 --> 00:15:18.389 at robin williams like i'm i'm 19 and like i 00:15:18.389 --> 00:15:22.610 have osteoporosis oh that's not like he wasn't 00:15:22.610 --> 00:15:27.250 able to buy you yeah my little friend can go 00:15:27.250 --> 00:15:29.149 get his beer it's like no my 19 year old friend 00:15:29.149 --> 00:15:35.399 needs a walker so um there's a story i want to 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:40.179 tell here um but we don't do that here so no 00:15:40.179 --> 00:15:42.019 no it's about it's about the it's about the movie 00:15:42.019 --> 00:15:43.840 so they're at the end and they're like looking 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:45.919 at the fish right it was like beta fish rebel 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.139 fish we want to call like your own call a lot 00:15:48.139 --> 00:15:52.419 of different things so um when i was 22 ish um 00:15:52.419 --> 00:15:54.820 i was i bought i got a house a rental house with 00:15:54.820 --> 00:15:57.799 two other guys we were in college there was three 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.669 bedrooms so Killer rental house. But one bedroom 00:16:00.669 --> 00:16:03.210 had an en suite bathroom. And so that was like 00:16:03.210 --> 00:16:05.549 the desired bathroom. We're like, well, how are 00:16:05.549 --> 00:16:08.549 we going to decide who gets the bathroom? And 00:16:08.549 --> 00:16:13.029 so coin toss, drinking contest, whatever. We 00:16:13.029 --> 00:16:15.889 were like, what if we went to Walmart and we 00:16:15.889 --> 00:16:17.990 all got three betta fish and we put them in one 00:16:17.990 --> 00:16:22.690 container, one aquarium, and we let them fight 00:16:22.690 --> 00:16:26.950 to the death and the last one alive got the room. 00:16:27.629 --> 00:16:31.289 so we did that this is animal abuse this is terrible 00:16:31.289 --> 00:16:33.230 right again i was the older man i didn't you 00:16:33.230 --> 00:16:36.769 know whatever um so we did that and we put them 00:16:36.769 --> 00:16:39.409 all in one fish bowl and over the course of the 00:16:39.409 --> 00:16:43.149 next 70 hours they fought now they don't fight 00:16:43.149 --> 00:16:44.809 like they go and they fight each other and then 00:16:44.809 --> 00:16:48.350 one dies they slowly eat the fins of each other 00:16:48.350 --> 00:16:50.470 until they can't swim anymore and then go upside 00:16:50.470 --> 00:16:52.950 down and they float to the top and they die and 00:16:52.950 --> 00:16:55.809 it was the saddest way i've ever won a bedroom 00:16:56.669 --> 00:16:59.289 in my entire life and like at the end we were 00:16:59.289 --> 00:17:01.470 just like can we just stop yeah we just stopped 00:17:01.470 --> 00:17:06.190 was it your responsibility to flush them down 00:17:06.190 --> 00:17:09.190 your unsweet absolutely yes actually i did take 00:17:09.190 --> 00:17:11.170 care of all of it and i feel terrible about this 00:17:11.170 --> 00:17:13.930 is i'm atoning out loud on this podcast when 00:17:13.930 --> 00:17:15.309 i watched that scene i was like okay i could 00:17:15.309 --> 00:17:17.450 finally clean my conscience so good it's a chance 00:17:17.450 --> 00:17:19.509 for you to heal yeah thanks for coming on cage 00:17:19.509 --> 00:17:22.950 match a chance for you to heal about uh animal 00:17:22.950 --> 00:17:25.740 abuse that you inflicted That's the therapeutic 00:17:25.740 --> 00:17:28.240 podcast about Nicolas Cage. Yeah, it's not fun. 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:32.119 70 hours, yeah. It was like 20 minutes. We would 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.740 go to work, because we all worked night shifts 00:17:34.740 --> 00:17:36.339 and stuff, we'd go to work and come back and 00:17:36.339 --> 00:17:41.940 they'd still be alive. Horrible. Yeah, that's 00:17:41.940 --> 00:17:43.680 rough. Anyway, not as romantic as a piece of 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:46.539 that movie. But those fish at the end get set 00:17:46.539 --> 00:17:49.559 free and they all swim their own way. Sure, they 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:51.500 seem happy. Everything in the aquarium should 00:17:51.500 --> 00:17:54.960 go in a river. Absolutely. Check it all in a 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:56.839 river. All goes in a river. That's fresh water. 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:00.640 I'm assuming that's the Missouri River. I'm sure 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.400 that thing is perfectly great for it. Definitely 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:05.779 primed for it. It's got the right pH balance. 00:18:06.660 --> 00:18:10.140 They're going to do great. So other cast of characters, 00:18:10.660 --> 00:18:14.990 Diane Lane plays his girlfriend. Nicholas Cage 00:18:14.990 --> 00:18:18.690 plays Smokey. Can we address the Nicholas Cage 00:18:18.690 --> 00:18:21.329 of it all? Yeah. I liked his jacket. Deuce's 00:18:21.329 --> 00:18:25.670 wild jacket. That was actually August Coppola's 00:18:25.670 --> 00:18:29.289 jacket from when they were kids. Interesting. 00:18:29.549 --> 00:18:33.569 And Francis, because Francis was really big into 00:18:33.569 --> 00:18:37.250 the brother story of this all, and it really 00:18:37.250 --> 00:18:40.230 connected. I went back and re -read the Age of 00:18:40.230 --> 00:18:43.279 Cage portion of this. Yeah, so he was like, oh, 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:45.859 you know, we'll get him to wear his dad's old, 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:50.460 like, I don't know, gang jacket. Gang. Gang. 00:18:50.859 --> 00:18:55.579 I guess Cage was not famous enough for the rusty 00:18:55.579 --> 00:18:58.640 part at this point. Which, it's kind of too bad 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:00.359 looking at it, because I feel like he would have 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.220 done a good job. I mean, it's early in his career, 00:19:03.380 --> 00:19:07.759 so it would have been a stretch. But, like, Matt 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.220 Dillon did fine. but he's fine he was fine he's 00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:14.079 rusty james we got it i think a lot of the like 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.319 acting performances could be just qualified as 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:23.039 fine yeah nobody was exemplary i think uh um 00:19:23.710 --> 00:19:26.109 that's hopper hopper hopper was great hopper 00:19:26.109 --> 00:19:28.869 was good but like the movie is like oh their 00:19:28.869 --> 00:19:30.990 contentious relationship with their father and 00:19:30.990 --> 00:19:32.970 it's like no he seems like just a drinking buddy 00:19:32.970 --> 00:19:35.670 to them yeah like there seems to be no struggle 00:19:35.670 --> 00:19:38.109 between the father's drinking except for you 00:19:38.109 --> 00:19:40.569 know obviously like motorcycle boy comes in and 00:19:40.569 --> 00:19:43.210 he's like playfully getting rid of the alcohol 00:19:43.210 --> 00:19:45.329 in the house sort of thing i mean i think the 00:19:45.329 --> 00:19:47.970 contention is their dad's just an absentee absentee 00:19:47.970 --> 00:19:52.410 drunk for sure yeah yeah but it never feels contentious 00:19:53.289 --> 00:19:57.250 Nobody seems to have a real problem, a developmental 00:19:57.250 --> 00:20:01.210 problem. The problem is they're all trapped. 00:20:02.029 --> 00:20:04.630 That's the thing. It's not that he's mean or 00:20:04.630 --> 00:20:07.710 cruel or violent. He's just a trap. He's a person 00:20:07.710 --> 00:20:10.170 who has to be taken care of. They have to be 00:20:10.170 --> 00:20:13.730 there for him. He's just an ever -present chaotic 00:20:13.730 --> 00:20:16.309 part of their life. He's not terrible, but... 00:20:16.750 --> 00:20:18.710 I don't know. I don't think any movie's ever 00:20:18.710 --> 00:20:20.650 made worse for Dennis Hopper. I think he's one 00:20:20.650 --> 00:20:22.750 of the few actors like, oh, you made that a little 00:20:22.750 --> 00:20:24.849 better every single time. Well, I'm not upset 00:20:24.849 --> 00:20:27.589 about him being in there. I enjoyed his performance. 00:20:27.910 --> 00:20:29.869 It just never felt like... You wanted a little 00:20:29.869 --> 00:20:33.109 more antagonism between the family. Well, everybody 00:20:33.109 --> 00:20:36.809 seems so resigned to their place in life except 00:20:36.809 --> 00:20:39.910 for Motorcycle Boy. It's like, oh, yeah, I am 00:20:39.910 --> 00:20:44.190 the dumb gang leader. Well, Smokey outsmarts 00:20:44.190 --> 00:20:50.029 Rusty James. and takes the gang but he seems 00:20:50.029 --> 00:20:53.549 to be the only one with any kind of ambition 00:20:53.549 --> 00:20:56.349 like that was kind of the thing at the end though 00:20:56.349 --> 00:20:58.950 there really was no gang like at the beginning 00:20:58.950 --> 00:21:00.730 Rusty James is trying to make this whole big 00:21:00.730 --> 00:21:04.069 stink about like rumbling and shit and we're 00:21:04.069 --> 00:21:06.349 led to believe that Smokey's kind of a coward 00:21:06.349 --> 00:21:10.329 and he's just apathetic because he's like you're 00:21:10.329 --> 00:21:18.460 dumb the gang was dork and beef boy and lawrence 00:21:18.460 --> 00:21:23.200 fishburne larry larry fishburne but like they're 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:25.220 ultimately just plain at being gangsters and 00:21:25.220 --> 00:21:28.079 smoky's really the only one who sees that yeah 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:30.039 i know for real but i do think a lot of it is 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:32.700 about that like it's not it's not that it's like 00:21:32.700 --> 00:21:36.220 this really violent terrible place it's not great 00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:38.259 but it's just like there's nowhere to go it's 00:21:38.259 --> 00:21:40.079 like a dead end you know what i mean like hopper 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:42.539 was a dead end and that's what they wrote so 00:21:42.539 --> 00:21:43.880 when they were talking about the mom the mom 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:46.440 got out right that was the whole thing she was 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:48.299 not a dead end everybody's like oh she was crazy 00:21:48.299 --> 00:21:50.000 she left she's like no she was probably the sanest 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:51.599 person in the entire group but like everybody 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:54.140 there was just like resigned to the space they 00:21:54.140 --> 00:21:56.660 were in it's getting a little heavy uh i'll check 00:21:56.660 --> 00:21:58.839 it back i'll back out real fast in praise of 00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:04.140 diane uh wow i just this is one of the we every 00:22:04.140 --> 00:22:06.279 time again you bring me in for the horn stuff 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:07.920 so i'm going to put my horns on for a second 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:12.849 so it was laura dern in wild at heart just was 00:22:12.849 --> 00:22:15.430 smoking and diane lane comes in hot this whole 00:22:15.430 --> 00:22:18.150 fucking oh yeah that's so good i like the fantasy 00:22:18.150 --> 00:22:21.630 sequence where she's like up on oh yeah the thing 00:22:21.630 --> 00:22:23.930 and she's taking her clothes off and like he's 00:22:23.930 --> 00:22:25.609 like in the wood shop or whatever like or like 00:22:25.609 --> 00:22:30.490 the machine shop like whatever what a great move 00:22:30.490 --> 00:22:36.430 just just a plus it's so hard thinking about 00:22:36.430 --> 00:22:39.920 just high school back then were like here's just 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:42.900 a big old machine shop where when i went to high 00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:46.980 school it was like we can afford a book for five 00:22:46.980 --> 00:22:51.140 lucky this movie there were two parts that gave 00:22:51.140 --> 00:22:54.359 me like a little crisis there was one line where 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:57.220 someone's like god he's so old he looks like 00:22:57.220 --> 00:23:00.279 25 oh yeah and i was like yeah okay that's kids 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:02.859 talking whatever and then hopper is like i'm 00:23:02.859 --> 00:23:06.789 40 i've only got 35 summers left in me and i 00:23:06.789 --> 00:23:10.890 was like jesus fuck is that all i have left yeah 00:23:10.890 --> 00:23:14.549 oh yeah no i that that hit too i'm like 35 summers 00:23:14.549 --> 00:23:17.970 doesn't sound like that many summers oh it's 00:23:17.970 --> 00:23:19.329 always fun you never know when like the midlife 00:23:19.329 --> 00:23:21.730 crisis is gonna smash into you it's now what 00:23:21.730 --> 00:23:23.829 is happening well so i was talking about somebody 00:23:23.829 --> 00:23:26.109 the other day we're like uh talking about cheers 00:23:26.109 --> 00:23:29.130 and like how george went was 34 when i started 00:23:29.130 --> 00:23:31.089 i was like i feel a lot but i look in the mirror 00:23:31.089 --> 00:23:34.000 and he's like i'm 43 i'm like all right I look 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.619 significantly better than Dennis Hopper did at 00:23:36.619 --> 00:23:40.200 40. A different life. We're on different timelines. 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:42.519 Well, it's like Nick has pointed this out a few 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.240 times. You used to be able to smoke inside everywhere. 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:50.559 And it was cool. It was cool. Super tight. Motorcycle 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:54.220 Boy and Rusty James smoked quite a bit. Nick 00:23:54.220 --> 00:23:57.740 Cage, like, when they came out of the bar, Motorcycle 00:23:57.740 --> 00:23:59.720 Boy lights up a cigarette, then immediately throws 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:02.650 it away. yeah that's classic and then motorcycle 00:24:02.650 --> 00:24:05.130 boy had that like fucked up busted cigarette 00:24:05.130 --> 00:24:08.210 somehow miraculously able to smoke even though 00:24:08.210 --> 00:24:10.109 it was cracked which doesn't work think about 00:24:10.109 --> 00:24:12.230 though was just how cheap were cigarettes back 00:24:12.230 --> 00:24:15.430 then they were probably a buck it'd have to be 00:24:15.430 --> 00:24:17.750 a buck i think a buck a pack 18 bucks a pack 00:24:17.750 --> 00:24:21.690 like last time i checked but when i quit smoking 00:24:21.690 --> 00:24:27.619 in 2007 They were $3 a pack in Oklahoma. I think 00:24:27.619 --> 00:24:28.819 there were probably like six out here at that 00:24:28.819 --> 00:24:30.579 time. Yeah, that was like, that was the end of 00:24:30.579 --> 00:24:32.819 it. But probably a buck. I remember my grandfather 00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:34.720 quit smoking when they got to 75 cents a pack 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.339 and that was like 1980 something. Yeah. It was 00:24:37.339 --> 00:24:39.720 like eight bucks a pack up here when I quit. 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:41.940 Yeah. And there was like quite a bit of smoking 00:24:41.940 --> 00:24:45.259 in the, in Benny's billiards where people were 00:24:45.259 --> 00:24:47.839 having milkshakes and Cokes and just smoking 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:50.740 away. Yeah. Chocolate milk. Yeah, it's like, 00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:52.940 I'm gonna crush a beer, but then give me a glass 00:24:52.940 --> 00:24:55.900 of chocolate milk, Benny. Oh, man, can you imagine 00:24:55.900 --> 00:24:58.559 the phlegm if you had, like, two to three cigarettes 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:01.869 and then a glass of chocolate milk? That is coating 00:25:01.869 --> 00:25:05.809 the throat. Repulsive. I will say, and I think 00:25:05.809 --> 00:25:07.529 a bunch of us have talked about this for a while, 00:25:07.650 --> 00:25:10.210 if I could have any wish from a really wiener 00:25:10.210 --> 00:25:12.250 -ass genie or something like that, it could make 00:25:12.250 --> 00:25:14.549 me ultimately powerful, it would just be like, 00:25:14.630 --> 00:25:16.529 I would love to smoke with no repercussions. 00:25:16.769 --> 00:25:19.509 It doesn't smell bad, it doesn't hurt my health. 00:25:19.849 --> 00:25:22.849 You get to look badass. I just get to look so 00:25:22.849 --> 00:25:26.029 cool. I have never looked cool. We talked about 00:25:26.029 --> 00:25:28.470 this on the way back from your birthday. I've 00:25:28.470 --> 00:25:29.869 never looked cooler in my life than when I was 00:25:29.869 --> 00:25:32.869 smoking. so no negative only positive i don't 00:25:32.869 --> 00:25:34.890 think that i would have ever had sex with a human 00:25:34.890 --> 00:25:38.650 being had i not been a smoker i'm not sure maybe 00:25:38.650 --> 00:25:40.609 i probably would have found my way there eventually 00:25:40.609 --> 00:25:44.589 but like it it really set the pace for me in 00:25:44.589 --> 00:25:49.650 my 20s i definitely had 100 of the sex that i 00:25:49.650 --> 00:25:52.190 had in my life as a smoker yeah well not like 00:25:52.190 --> 00:25:54.789 like every instance of it but but it was it was 00:25:54.789 --> 00:25:57.750 definitely a part of the darren right every partner 00:25:57.750 --> 00:26:01.490 i've ever slept with was while i was a smoker 00:26:01.490 --> 00:26:04.529 yeah yeah same same like that's at some point 00:26:04.529 --> 00:26:05.769 that's part of the thing is like if i read it 00:26:05.769 --> 00:26:07.509 back to like dating or whatever i'd be like uh 00:26:07.509 --> 00:26:11.809 oh fuck i have a smoky yeah yeah no i don't smoke 00:26:11.809 --> 00:26:17.190 and no no new pokes no again that you bring me 00:26:17.190 --> 00:26:18.910 in for the horn stuff that's good that's why 00:26:18.910 --> 00:26:22.890 you're here um you know one of the things that 00:26:22.890 --> 00:26:25.910 like continually stood out to me through the 00:26:25.910 --> 00:26:29.599 whole the whole movie was just like how did this 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.599 get made right like how how like it like think 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.900 about it in context of because we're as a cage 00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:39.720 match but like nicholas cage is not a big part 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.480 of this it would have been killer had it been 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.960 uh mickey rourke dennis hopper and nicholas cage 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.920 like in the bedroom doing those sequences together 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:50.319 that would have been a really fun watch i think 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:51.859 it could have got wild but like we didn't get 00:26:51.859 --> 00:26:54.500 there so it's just like contextually this movie 00:26:54.500 --> 00:26:57.099 you have one of the best biggest directors in 00:26:57.099 --> 00:26:59.589 the world right he's picking up these this ip 00:26:59.589 --> 00:27:02.009 from as he hit and he makes outsiders which comes 00:27:02.009 --> 00:27:04.349 out six months before and like that's a kind 00:27:04.349 --> 00:27:07.390 of a hit oh yeah it launches careers it kind 00:27:07.390 --> 00:27:09.569 of sets the tone for all the big heartthrobs 00:27:09.569 --> 00:27:11.250 of the 80s like it launches that whole thing 00:27:11.250 --> 00:27:13.009 he's like all right so now i'm gonna do it again 00:27:13.009 --> 00:27:14.250 but like no i'm not gonna fucking do it again 00:27:14.250 --> 00:27:18.329 i'm gonna make this weird ass experimental kind 00:27:18.329 --> 00:27:21.829 of crazy film that looks beautiful it's some 00:27:21.829 --> 00:27:23.289 of the best black and white photography i think 00:27:23.289 --> 00:27:24.930 i've ever seen in my entire life i think the 00:27:24.930 --> 00:27:27.250 only other movie i've seen that looks as good 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:29.660 The Man Who Wasn't There by the Coen Brothers. 00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:33.660 It's just exquisite black and white. This is 00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:35.299 maybe the best black and white I think I've ever 00:27:35.299 --> 00:27:40.279 seen. So this movie was shot back to back with 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:43.000 The Outsiders. They kept the exact same production 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.500 crew and everything. So I think that really helped. 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:49.980 And just getting it made was the... They were 00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:54.140 writing the screenplay while filming The Outsiders. 00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:56.740 Was it the same director of photography between 00:27:56.740 --> 00:27:59.559 the two? I'd have to double check, but I know 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.460 that Coppola wanted to keep his production crew 00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:05.460 from Outsiders into this. Probably would have 00:28:05.460 --> 00:28:10.000 been. I mean, you would think. That's a person 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.599 at the top of their powers, right? They can go 00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:14.140 to any studio and be like, you're going to give 00:28:14.140 --> 00:28:15.980 me this much money, I'm going to make this movie 00:28:15.980 --> 00:28:19.819 and this movie simultaneously. And studio producers, 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.160 you can't show up. You can't check in on what 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:23.619 we're doing. Maybe they showed up one day on 00:28:23.619 --> 00:28:25.000 Outsiders and were like, oh, these are handsome 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:26.910 boys. and like we're gonna we're gonna make a 00:28:26.910 --> 00:28:28.710 ton of money and they walked off and they didn't 00:28:28.710 --> 00:28:30.529 check in on rumble fish and rumble fish comes 00:28:30.529 --> 00:28:34.589 out you're like huh yeah this is a thing huh 00:28:34.589 --> 00:28:36.769 they tilted the camera a lot on this one didn't 00:28:36.769 --> 00:28:39.730 you buddy yeah so it was it was steven henry 00:28:39.730 --> 00:28:42.450 burham was his name i think this looks great 00:28:42.450 --> 00:28:47.569 oh we also did snake eyes oh wow so reunited 00:28:47.569 --> 00:28:52.009 mission impossible so i forgot about this in 00:28:52.009 --> 00:28:54.170 the beginning of the film when they like the 00:28:54.170 --> 00:28:57.130 first few like set up scenes they show like the 00:28:57.130 --> 00:28:59.529 city and they kind of like have it on a time 00:28:59.529 --> 00:29:03.869 lapse but it gave me like those old like the 00:29:03.869 --> 00:29:06.170 videos they'd show us when we were kids in schools 00:29:06.170 --> 00:29:11.109 like you know the mechanism of the economy see 00:29:11.109 --> 00:29:16.309 we were able to afford updated videos we weren't 00:29:16.309 --> 00:29:21.730 all sharing the same book and public domain 1945 00:29:23.130 --> 00:29:24.890 No, I was in Tillamook, Oregon, and they had 00:29:24.890 --> 00:29:27.170 a legit reel -to -reel projector they'd bring 00:29:27.170 --> 00:29:30.170 in with these old fucking old -ass tapes. The 00:29:30.170 --> 00:29:32.410 only time we ever had to watch one of those was, 00:29:32.490 --> 00:29:35.430 like, the first sex ed course I ever went through. 00:29:36.049 --> 00:29:40.710 Sending a chair. Yeah, the evolution, like, sitting 00:29:40.710 --> 00:29:43.809 in the future, I will include electricity. There's 00:29:43.809 --> 00:29:47.670 just nothing. Hard -on, through the screen, it's 00:29:47.670 --> 00:29:53.470 like, erections for all. racing into the sky. 00:29:54.029 --> 00:29:57.670 Trains going into tunnels, rocket ship. It's 00:29:57.670 --> 00:30:01.490 just an innuendo. It's not sex ed. It's just 00:30:01.490 --> 00:30:04.130 metaphors. I'm going to have a real hard time 00:30:04.130 --> 00:30:09.170 adjusting to... Although, Sean, I'm sold every 00:30:09.170 --> 00:30:12.210 time we do a time lapse at night of a city. If 00:30:12.210 --> 00:30:14.549 it's a pretty time lapse at night, I'm just like, 00:30:14.589 --> 00:30:17.069 let's just do it. Let's watch a city go to bed 00:30:17.069 --> 00:30:20.130 and wake up over a time lapse. I'm in. Every 00:30:20.130 --> 00:30:21.710 freaking time. What was the big billboard in 00:30:21.710 --> 00:30:24.690 that scene, that nighttime scene? Mayo? Mayo, 00:30:24.809 --> 00:30:26.769 I think. I'm sure it was probably like Mayo Clinic 00:30:26.769 --> 00:30:29.349 or something, but like the idea of a giant sign 00:30:29.349 --> 00:30:31.950 for... Oh yeah, just a giant sign for mayonnaise. 00:30:32.210 --> 00:30:34.789 Yeah, well you said there was like a magazine 00:30:34.789 --> 00:30:38.170 or something? Yeah, the magazine said something 00:30:38.170 --> 00:30:42.710 called Hamburger. Hamburger Magazine? Hamburger 00:30:42.710 --> 00:30:45.950 Magazine. Makes sense to me. I would subscribe. 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:48.779 So are we going to start a hamburger magazine? 00:30:49.099 --> 00:30:51.400 Let's do it. Probably. It'd come out of left 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.819 field. Nobody would expect it from me. So I think 00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:56.460 it needs to be large format twice a year. Like 00:30:56.460 --> 00:30:58.660 a really big thick one. Like really big time 00:30:58.660 --> 00:31:02.180 into it. Like the swimsuit edition. Big format 00:31:02.180 --> 00:31:06.279 twice a year. One seasonal hot dog. Real thick 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.779 paper. Well there can be a hot dog centerfold. 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:14.000 So that way you unfold the giant hot dog. Yeah. 00:31:14.059 --> 00:31:17.019 You can run your hands over. Ooh. One scratch 00:31:17.019 --> 00:31:19.319 and sniff page, yeah. We're on the same page. 00:31:19.460 --> 00:31:21.519 All right. Yes, absolutely. This is going to 00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.700 happen. Cool. Spare sourcing right now. Cage 00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:25.480 match. A roundabout way of starting a magazine. 00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:31.299 So I do want to come back to, like, Matt Dillon's 00:31:31.299 --> 00:31:34.559 performance real quick, because I think he's 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.759 great in this, just as the fucking poser kid. 00:31:40.169 --> 00:31:42.289 what's up with the leather cuff like what's up 00:31:42.289 --> 00:31:44.309 with like the one like leather like fighting 00:31:44.309 --> 00:31:47.970 cuff just trying to look cool man it's just cool 00:31:47.970 --> 00:31:52.309 shit yeah i just like it's such it's such a vibe 00:31:52.309 --> 00:31:54.869 and i definitely knew this guy in high school 00:31:54.869 --> 00:31:58.009 like i definitely knew that guy who just wanted 00:31:58.009 --> 00:32:00.670 to be cool and was just projecting that image 00:32:00.670 --> 00:32:04.509 and story of himself out there and it was just 00:32:04.509 --> 00:32:07.049 easier to go along with it than to just be like 00:32:07.049 --> 00:32:10.920 nah dude So the Yahoo who comes into our podcast 00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:14.299 wearing their best fighting blouse has decided 00:32:14.299 --> 00:32:20.480 to critique the fashion of 1980s small town gang 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.099 members. In the 80s, man, this was written in 00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:27.680 the 60s. I guess the movie moves it forward a 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:33.119 little bit. Oh, man. Bandana Sean is not happy 00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:37.000 with Cuffy Dillon. For our listeners, just so 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.680 everyone knows, this thing is like a button to 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.819 ruffle just above the navel. Just pure midsection. 00:32:43.859 --> 00:32:47.700 There's full sternum bush on display. Sure. I 00:32:47.700 --> 00:32:52.609 can see your xiphoid process. That's true. Anybody 00:32:52.609 --> 00:32:54.769 know what that is? No. Not a fucking clue. No 00:32:54.769 --> 00:32:56.670 good. It is a small bone that hangs down at the 00:32:56.670 --> 00:32:58.990 center where your ribcage meets right here and 00:32:58.990 --> 00:33:01.049 holds it together. Is that the one you take off 00:33:01.049 --> 00:33:03.890 when you want to suck your dick? I mean, there's 00:33:03.890 --> 00:33:05.269 a lot. It's not going to hurt. No, it's not going 00:33:05.269 --> 00:33:06.630 to hurt. Actually, it will separate your ribcage. 00:33:06.710 --> 00:33:09.529 It's pretty critical linchpin in the whole chest 00:33:09.529 --> 00:33:12.049 area, but anyway. I got zip ties. This is a diphoid 00:33:12.049 --> 00:33:16.309 process. That's a weird name for a bone. I love 00:33:16.309 --> 00:33:22.859 it. That joke got me, but it did. Neat. Oh, man. 00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:24.900 I just, I kind of wonder, like, what happened 00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:27.160 to Matt Dillon? You know what I mean? I think 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:29.700 it's the voice. Honestly, the whole time is... 00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:32.740 He sounds so dumb. He sounds like no dumb character. 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:35.960 There's no way of taking the Matt Dillon voice 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.039 and being like, well, you know, he's a respectable 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:41.119 authority figure that you should, like, follow 00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:43.259 into the... Not a fucking chance. Like, you think 00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:46.220 about, like, so, okay, you take... The Outsiders 00:33:46.220 --> 00:33:47.759 group is really that group. So he was in the 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:49.640 Outsiders as well. So you have, like, Cruz, and 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.420 you have Rob Lowe, and you have... uh Swayze 00:33:52.420 --> 00:33:55.160 and there's a handful of other folks in there 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.460 like uh but like he was also in there but like 00:33:58.460 --> 00:34:01.660 he could never really break out and I think it's 00:34:01.660 --> 00:34:03.420 the voice I think you're entirely right I was 00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:06.099 trying to pinpoint what it is and he's just it's 00:34:06.099 --> 00:34:09.119 a meathead voice he's also he's got like the 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.000 real mouth breather look about him too yeah that's 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:13.960 hard to get away from little simian yeah and 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.340 a lumpy good looking guy not gonna yeah yeah 00:34:16.340 --> 00:34:19.519 yeah but monkey Yeah, like a good -looking monkey. 00:34:19.539 --> 00:34:22.639 That is a very handsome monkey. So, like, on 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.440 that line, too, like, Mickey Rourke was a pretty 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.179 good -looking dude. I mean, he's kind of strange 00:34:27.179 --> 00:34:28.420 -looking. I was thinking about it. It's like 00:34:28.420 --> 00:34:31.960 if Sam Rockwell and Stephen Dorff fucked, but... 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:36.000 Let's take three seconds to think about that. 00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:41.960 It's working for me. Take him off. Put him on. 00:34:41.980 --> 00:34:44.119 Take him off, boys. But yeah, it's kind of a 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.780 shame. I mean, he really did get fucked up. Like, 00:34:46.780 --> 00:34:50.239 he was... not a beautiful man but like i think 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.340 the funny thing is in the in the movie you see 00:34:52.340 --> 00:34:55.179 him in the photo the motorcycle and he has long 00:34:55.179 --> 00:34:57.960 hair and he looks handsome man his haircut is 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.079 so stupid it's very dumb whatever they do in 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:03.340 this it's so stupid it's a real it's a real dork 00:35:03.340 --> 00:35:06.260 it looks like the haircut that every girl who's 00:35:06.260 --> 00:35:07.900 eventually going to be a lesbian gets in the 00:35:07.900 --> 00:35:10.000 eighth grade they're like oh that's who i am 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.500 now i guess yeah it looked to me like he was 00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:16.179 going for some kind of a proto version of the 00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:21.699 misfits because they like just cut in yeah a 00:35:21.699 --> 00:35:24.940 uh a widow's peak on him yeah it's like forced 00:35:24.940 --> 00:35:28.559 widow's peak yeah this is my bangs now this this 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.760 is how it's done he has such a gentle voice for 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:35.920 the whole thing you get meathead matt dylan he's 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.860 hey whatever i can't do it uh i'm not even trying 00:35:38.860 --> 00:35:43.059 but like uh yeah it's just like ah rusty you 00:35:43.059 --> 00:35:46.599 know these are yeah they belong in the river 00:35:47.210 --> 00:35:50.469 whatever and then it's just such a contrast to 00:35:50.469 --> 00:35:52.909 everybody else who's just coming off like really 00:35:52.909 --> 00:35:56.650 blunt and kind of ridiculous good character yeah 00:35:56.650 --> 00:36:00.389 it was a very it was that scene in the billiard 00:36:00.389 --> 00:36:02.690 hall when they're just like no man he's the king 00:36:03.150 --> 00:36:04.710 you're never gonna get there like you're just 00:36:04.710 --> 00:36:07.369 not gonna happen like that was i don't know there's 00:36:07.369 --> 00:36:09.070 just a bunch of really great scenes you could 00:36:09.070 --> 00:36:10.929 cut out those are very powerful moments and i 00:36:10.929 --> 00:36:12.449 think a lot of people in their life have lived 00:36:12.449 --> 00:36:14.030 through which is like they realize something 00:36:14.030 --> 00:36:15.829 about themselves that they're not going to be 00:36:15.829 --> 00:36:17.690 and like the whole movie the whole movie is actually 00:36:17.690 --> 00:36:20.090 matt dylan realizing like he's not who he thinks 00:36:20.090 --> 00:36:23.349 he is right yeah no uh but that scene where it's 00:36:23.349 --> 00:36:26.969 like you know you're not the king uh like because 00:36:26.969 --> 00:36:30.079 that's nick cage they're outside benny's um and 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.039 it's like you're not the king it's like i would 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:34.119 be the king and you'd be like a second lieutenant 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:37.820 like that's the line or something but like at 00:36:37.820 --> 00:36:40.179 the end of that like confrontation when like 00:36:40.179 --> 00:36:43.719 rusty james realizes that you know yeah he's 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:45.639 not who he thinks he is he's kind of a joke he's 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:49.500 like he goes to you know like hand off the baton 00:36:49.500 --> 00:36:53.460 like hand it hand the pool cue to nick cage and 00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:55.519 like it's like all right it's you and nick cage 00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:58.230 just like what the fuck dude just cut it out 00:36:58.230 --> 00:37:03.929 like yeah we stop doing this now right i have 00:37:03.929 --> 00:37:08.010 diane lane uh the gang does not exist you're 00:37:08.010 --> 00:37:11.170 a silly man please stop doing performance i want 00:37:11.170 --> 00:37:13.550 to know i want a movie about that other gang 00:37:13.550 --> 00:37:17.289 the one they like effective gang the guy who 00:37:17.289 --> 00:37:20.170 got motorcycled the guy got up until he got motorcycled 00:37:20.170 --> 00:37:25.550 also like rusty james he gets his stomach cut 00:37:25.550 --> 00:37:29.349 open with a big old piece of glass and then gets 00:37:29.349 --> 00:37:33.250 fucking um piped to the head later like this 00:37:33.250 --> 00:37:36.389 movie gets super serious then gets super like 00:37:36.389 --> 00:37:41.369 just jokey real quick yeah i just think it's 00:37:41.369 --> 00:37:43.429 a dreamscape the whole thing it's just like a 00:37:43.429 --> 00:37:46.329 weird fevery surreal dream which is a cop -out 00:37:46.329 --> 00:37:48.389 i could have like leaned in and said yes but 00:37:48.389 --> 00:37:51.869 like the whole the whole thing is just like it 00:37:51.869 --> 00:37:54.829 is ridiculous it's just like young men being 00:37:54.829 --> 00:37:58.400 idiots And, like, overimagining their lives nonstop. 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.139 And you're stuck with this guy who thinks he's 00:38:00.139 --> 00:38:01.820 going to be the most important human being ever. 00:38:01.900 --> 00:38:03.199 And he's like, eh, you're kind of a Dylan. You're 00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:06.679 kind of a Matt Dylan. Yeah, kind of a Matt Dylan. 00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:11.079 That's what he's a Matt Dylan, yeah. But, yeah, 00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:12.780 the fight scene, actually, I really like the 00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:14.719 fight scene. It reminded me a lot of Clockwork 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.739 Orange, the big, like, gang scene there. And 00:38:16.739 --> 00:38:18.599 I think maybe a little bit of a play on that, 00:38:18.699 --> 00:38:21.519 which is, like, the gangs are so serious in that. 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.579 And it might be the same thing. Clockwork Orange, 00:38:24.619 --> 00:38:27.099 the gangs are aging out and they're just becoming 00:38:27.099 --> 00:38:29.659 older men. That's what it is. They're probably 00:38:29.659 --> 00:38:31.860 the younger people who take over gangs or become 00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:34.539 gangs. And it's the same thing. You're too old 00:38:34.539 --> 00:38:38.679 for this shit, man. It's not fun anymore. Unlike 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.440 Warriors, where being a gang is still incredible. 00:38:42.219 --> 00:38:45.480 You could dress up like a baseball boy or a clown. 00:38:45.980 --> 00:38:48.059 Whatever you want, man. That's what I liked about 00:38:48.059 --> 00:38:50.039 the other gang. They kind of had a theme going. 00:38:51.829 --> 00:38:53.710 They were a real gang, that's the difference. 00:38:54.369 --> 00:39:02.469 Murder? Kinda. They kinda had a vibe. Yeah. I 00:39:02.469 --> 00:39:05.829 still do think it felt like a double dragon fight. 00:39:06.070 --> 00:39:07.789 Oh yeah. You show up, everybody kind of kicking, 00:39:07.929 --> 00:39:09.690 a knife flies off, you pick up the knife, you 00:39:09.690 --> 00:39:11.710 can throw it twice before it disappears. I've 00:39:11.710 --> 00:39:15.050 got to show them with a motorcycle. Before the 00:39:15.050 --> 00:39:16.610 fight actually gets going, when they're just 00:39:16.610 --> 00:39:20.170 swinging at each other, Rusty James does do the 00:39:20.170 --> 00:39:26.010 hopping double kick a couple times. Yeah, it's 00:39:26.010 --> 00:39:30.250 very video game. Later on, when Rusty gets hit 00:39:30.250 --> 00:39:33.590 in the head with a pipe, and then Bicycle Boy. 00:39:33.809 --> 00:39:36.449 Sorry, Motorcycle Boy. Well, he didn't have the 00:39:36.449 --> 00:39:39.650 motorcycle at the time. Motorcyclist Boy shows 00:39:39.650 --> 00:39:43.289 up and fights. It's the worst choreography. It 00:39:43.289 --> 00:39:45.369 does bring us to the out -of -body experience. 00:39:45.750 --> 00:39:48.929 I like that scene a lot, actually. That was a 00:39:48.929 --> 00:39:52.349 cool effect. Yeah, so I was watching it in a 00:39:52.349 --> 00:39:54.570 chair with my headphones on in my head, and, 00:39:54.590 --> 00:39:56.889 like, the family was, like, over here doing stuff, 00:39:57.070 --> 00:39:59.090 right? Doing their own thing. And, like, that 00:39:59.090 --> 00:40:01.030 showed up, and I just went, like, hands up in 00:40:01.030 --> 00:40:04.690 the air, like, what the fuck is this? Like, I 00:40:04.690 --> 00:40:08.130 was not expecting it, like, delighted. I was 00:40:08.130 --> 00:40:10.369 kind of delighted non -stop by all the decisions 00:40:10.369 --> 00:40:12.389 that were being made, because, like... after 00:40:12.389 --> 00:40:14.570 the first 20 minutes it just was not boring like 00:40:14.570 --> 00:40:16.989 there was not a boring scene everything was kind 00:40:16.989 --> 00:40:18.650 of visually interesting they were making crazy 00:40:18.650 --> 00:40:21.590 decisions like did it add up to the best movie 00:40:21.590 --> 00:40:23.849 absolutely not so but if i was going to steal 00:40:23.849 --> 00:40:26.210 from a movie as a film director i would steal 00:40:26.210 --> 00:40:29.010 out of this movie like crazy there's so many 00:40:29.010 --> 00:40:30.730 things you could just rob from this movie and 00:40:30.730 --> 00:40:32.349 put into a better movie and it would be awesome 00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:37.500 I think that's the most agreeable sentence I've 00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:39.960 heard from this. I was not a huge fan of this 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.360 one. I'll get that out of the way. It was the 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:46.039 longest hour and a half that I think I've ever 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:50.539 spent on this podcast. I'd say it a lot, too. 00:40:52.139 --> 00:40:55.519 Longer than Croods 2? Yeah, dude. This movie 00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:59.099 just felt like a full two -hour film when I was 00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:02.389 watching it. maybe maybe it's the theatricality 00:41:02.389 --> 00:41:05.469 uh being the theater major who doesn't like theater 00:41:05.469 --> 00:41:10.150 uh it doesn't catch me it's just there were some 00:41:10.150 --> 00:41:12.710 moments where i was like yeah that's great i 00:41:12.710 --> 00:41:14.969 forgot what got me started on this i think i 00:41:14.969 --> 00:41:18.769 think it's it's a it's a menu of really interesting 00:41:18.769 --> 00:41:21.730 vignettes and scenes and ideas you know and like 00:41:21.730 --> 00:41:24.070 it really again it feels like coppola was like 00:41:24.670 --> 00:41:26.670 really just scrubbing and trying to make like 00:41:26.670 --> 00:41:29.769 an indie movie trying things really like fucking 00:41:29.769 --> 00:41:31.670 around and like feeling his way through it it 00:41:31.670 --> 00:41:34.710 felt like that so like you know they're just 00:41:34.710 --> 00:41:37.170 shots that look really great again them walking 00:41:37.170 --> 00:41:39.750 through the downtown and like the audio shifts 00:41:39.750 --> 00:41:42.090 based on the character who's talking is a really 00:41:42.090 --> 00:41:45.190 brilliant idea and then like the out -of -body 00:41:45.190 --> 00:41:46.969 thing where he just like is floating through 00:41:46.969 --> 00:41:49.909 could have been terrible but again you're right 00:41:49.909 --> 00:41:52.769 you're right when you put a lot of uh forced 00:41:52.769 --> 00:41:56.150 uh artsy shit together yeah you're dragging me 00:41:56.150 --> 00:41:59.730 through a lot to try to sell this yeah to me 00:41:59.730 --> 00:42:01.969 it's like i was the whole time i was thinking 00:42:01.969 --> 00:42:04.789 oh sorry well and that's kind of where i wanted 00:42:04.789 --> 00:42:07.670 to like finally bring this to is so it's called 00:42:07.670 --> 00:42:11.230 rumble fish and the big metaphor for their situation 00:42:11.230 --> 00:42:13.570 at the end is are these fighting fish are the 00:42:13.570 --> 00:42:15.530 rumble fish that mickey rourke's obsessed with 00:42:15.530 --> 00:42:19.150 wants to steal and like set free and we get that 00:42:19.150 --> 00:42:22.250 like really on the nose scene but i feel like 00:42:22.250 --> 00:42:24.170 it worked really well after motorcycle boy's 00:42:24.170 --> 00:42:26.889 dead rusty james is like throwing the fish in 00:42:26.889 --> 00:42:28.969 the water and when he's thrown up against the 00:42:28.969 --> 00:42:31.889 cop car and for the first time he's in color 00:42:31.889 --> 00:42:36.110 like he sees his own reflection as those trapped 00:42:36.110 --> 00:42:39.920 fish and that's when he decides to leave i love 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.199 that kind of crap i don't know i don't know why 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:44.920 i just it was earned they they really held it 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.500 for a long time yeah yeah yeah i thought it was 00:42:47.500 --> 00:42:48.960 earned like it's like i said it's a little on 00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:51.559 the nose but i loved it yeah i agree there's 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:53.340 a lot of stuff like that but i agree like there's 00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:55.079 just these moments like ah i felt good and it 00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:56.880 wasn't too much like it's like the whole movie 00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:58.500 didn't flip to color it was just like a flash 00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:00.300 and then you come back yeah well and then there's 00:43:00.300 --> 00:43:03.099 that like extended And I just I love how it end 00:43:03.099 --> 00:43:06.380 with that extended long shot of the entire cast 00:43:06.380 --> 00:43:09.900 learning about Motorcycle Boy's death. And it's 00:43:09.900 --> 00:43:11.539 cut and it's like everyone has their kind of 00:43:11.539 --> 00:43:14.000 like little like moment of like you see everyone's 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.219 like immediate reaction to the death. And then 00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:20.420 it just cuts to Motorcycle Boy Reigns and the 00:43:20.420 --> 00:43:23.260 silhouette of Matt Dillon like riding off to 00:43:23.260 --> 00:43:26.300 California. I'm like, which is super theatrical. 00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:28.159 It's like what Nick keeps talking about. It is 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.750 a very. stage play so there's a there's a guy 00:43:31.750 --> 00:43:34.309 named james or jamie lloyd i forget how you actually 00:43:34.309 --> 00:43:37.210 say his name but i he's like the hot shit on 00:43:37.210 --> 00:43:38.829 like the western and broadway and everything 00:43:38.829 --> 00:43:41.190 he does has like projection screens and sexy 00:43:41.190 --> 00:43:43.110 people tight underwear it's like all that kind 00:43:43.110 --> 00:43:45.869 of stuff like this felt like a jamie lloyd production 00:43:45.869 --> 00:43:49.550 of a movie right had he been around in like 1983 00:43:49.550 --> 00:43:52.769 i feel like he would have made this movie i'm 00:43:52.769 --> 00:43:55.929 gonna make a controversial statement here i think 00:43:55.929 --> 00:44:00.519 my favorite character was the cop Because when 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.739 he killed Motorcycle Boy, it meant the movie 00:44:02.739 --> 00:44:08.420 was over. Otherwise, the cops sucked. The cops 00:44:08.420 --> 00:44:10.420 were pretty bad. If you ask Nick what the narrative 00:44:10.420 --> 00:44:12.980 was, it was about a hard -nosed cop in Missouri 00:44:12.980 --> 00:44:15.800 dealing with a bunch of fucking pretentious assholes. 00:44:15.980 --> 00:44:18.659 Protecting a pet store. Nothing but steal from 00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:22.179 pet stores and cause fights. Saves the day again. 00:44:22.380 --> 00:44:25.800 Just keeps showing up. Sick -ass mustache. I 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:28.340 will say, the fucking bullet wound was like... 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:34.139 pretty gnarly yeah yeah i do like the cop a lot 00:44:34.139 --> 00:44:37.420 so i like how he like just stood there yeah he 00:44:37.420 --> 00:44:40.980 was like a monolith of like antagonism he was 00:44:40.980 --> 00:44:42.960 angel of death yeah like he was just waiting 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:44.880 like the whole time he was just he was like because 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:47.239 he never see his eyes why are you showing up 00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:49.619 he's like well because it's like shadow boy is 00:44:49.619 --> 00:44:52.300 a dead man like he's out like he came back from 00:44:52.300 --> 00:44:54.119 california he's destroyed he doesn't want to 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:55.400 be a part of this he doesn't know where to go 00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:58.019 so he's gonna go he's like check out his gun 00:44:58.510 --> 00:45:00.750 there was a eventually he's gonna go check out 00:45:00.750 --> 00:45:03.469 yeah check out yeah we have a lot of checkouts 00:45:03.469 --> 00:45:05.150 cops in the country these days that is true they're 00:45:05.150 --> 00:45:08.809 always sure you show up at the screen early on 00:45:08.809 --> 00:45:10.570 in the newsreel and well that's gonna turn into 00:45:10.570 --> 00:45:12.949 a problem and it really does not get too political 00:45:12.949 --> 00:45:15.070 but there we are well like i mean the cop even 00:45:15.070 --> 00:45:17.389 has his own other than just yeah being you know 00:45:17.389 --> 00:45:22.489 the harbinger of doom you know also uh when rusty 00:45:22.489 --> 00:45:24.449 james like asks him in the middle of the films 00:45:24.449 --> 00:45:26.440 like what's your problem with motorcycle boy 00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:28.940 and the cop's response is like i see the one 00:45:28.940 --> 00:45:32.099 thing you don't which is you know everyone looks 00:45:32.099 --> 00:45:34.199 up to this thing and up to motorcycle boy and 00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.619 like romanticizes that and he's like that's just 00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:39.239 trouble that's just going to lead to more dead 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:43.000 kids and you know in the end kills motorcycle 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:47.320 boy and the other cops want to take in um rusty 00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:49.099 james and he's the one who's like no let him 00:45:49.099 --> 00:45:52.500 go like this is over now yeah there is heavily 00:45:52.500 --> 00:45:54.380 an element of like this is the end of an era 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:56.980 yeah the whole thing like the whole thing starts 00:45:56.980 --> 00:45:59.000 is like we're at the very tail end of something 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:00.840 and people need to like transition and move on 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.699 kind of thing yeah it's the decay of like this 00:46:03.699 --> 00:46:05.639 previous culture that maybe wasn't so great to 00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:07.519 begin with but like the romanticism is wearing 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:09.980 off and i think like you're uh we're talking 00:46:09.980 --> 00:46:12.380 about earlier like uh cage's whole thing about 00:46:12.380 --> 00:46:14.860 like why are you hanging against pool cubes it's 00:46:14.860 --> 00:46:16.940 stupid like we're out of this you know what i 00:46:16.940 --> 00:46:19.920 mean like just move on you're being a child yeah 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:24.860 all right final thoughts i liked it I said that 00:46:24.860 --> 00:46:28.059 at the beginning. I'm saying it again. It grew 00:46:28.059 --> 00:46:30.219 on me a lot, for sure. I understand where you're 00:46:30.219 --> 00:46:31.920 coming from, though, Nick. I mean, it's fine. 00:46:32.179 --> 00:46:37.960 I'm not upset about not liking it. It's not going 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.900 to make me lose sleep. Did you watch Primal right 00:46:42.900 --> 00:46:46.460 after it as a palate cleanser? No, I think I 00:46:46.460 --> 00:46:50.039 just went and cranked one out. There we go. To 00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:56.050 Diane Lane. Diane Lane. God bless Diane Lane. 00:46:56.730 --> 00:47:00.730 Modern Diane Lane. Diane Lane at any decade, 00:47:00.849 --> 00:47:05.010 let's be fair. She's just working it. Yeah, I 00:47:05.010 --> 00:47:06.489 don't know. I didn't like it for the first 20 00:47:06.489 --> 00:47:08.170 minutes. I fell asleep last night, but it was 00:47:08.170 --> 00:47:10.250 a bad time to start. I watched it again this 00:47:10.250 --> 00:47:13.110 afternoon and ended up really enjoying it. Will 00:47:13.110 --> 00:47:16.409 I watch it again ever? No. But will I go and 00:47:16.409 --> 00:47:18.889 find scenes from it online and probably be like... 00:47:19.879 --> 00:47:27.440 look at it a little deeper no yeah i know what 00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:28.960 you're talking about i got shit things to look 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.719 at on instagram or something yeah i'm not studying 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:36.199 things from rumble yeah i think it's totally 00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:37.500 worth a watch i think especially if you're into 00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:39.500 photography and that's part of like what you 00:47:39.500 --> 00:47:42.150 like about movies like it looks great Yeah, if 00:47:42.150 --> 00:47:44.769 you have the longest hour and a half of your 00:47:44.769 --> 00:47:47.230 life just sitting there in front of you with 00:47:47.230 --> 00:47:50.030 nothing else to do. If the doctor tells you the 00:47:50.030 --> 00:47:52.389 cancer is incredibly aggressive and you have 00:47:52.389 --> 00:47:55.730 two hours left. Whoa, do something better. Make 00:47:55.730 --> 00:47:57.050 some macaroni and cheese. Well, you just want 00:47:57.050 --> 00:47:58.989 it to spread out. You just want to see how long 00:47:58.989 --> 00:48:02.010 can you make it. A bowl of mac and cheese that 00:48:02.010 --> 00:48:04.690 takes about 15 minutes to make. And then watch 00:48:04.690 --> 00:48:07.480 Rumblefish. and you know you got you got another 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.780 month you got one more month of your life right 00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:13.159 there i think if i had an okay hold on if i had 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:17.199 an hour and a half to live i would probably do 00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.179 the most like ridiculous like unbelievable like 00:48:22.179 --> 00:48:24.039 i would have sex with that bowl of mac and cheese 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.639 sure and i'd leave it on the counter that's like 00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:29.869 three minutes that's somebody else yeah Max, 00:48:29.929 --> 00:48:32.530 you're done. Well, yeah, you know, I'm already 00:48:32.530 --> 00:48:35.230 hot and bothered by their mixing noises. I think 00:48:35.230 --> 00:48:38.289 if you're going to have an hour and a half, you've 00:48:38.289 --> 00:48:40.409 got to leave post -nut clarity for, like, the 00:48:40.409 --> 00:48:43.030 last 45 seconds. Like, that has to be an epiphany 00:48:43.030 --> 00:48:45.889 moment. Like, you have to, like, save that for 00:48:45.889 --> 00:48:50.010 the very last minute. And then you do your thing, 00:48:50.210 --> 00:48:52.250 and you're like, oh, I get it now, and then you're 00:48:52.250 --> 00:48:56.210 out. What if I have sex with a mac and cheese? 00:48:56.530 --> 00:48:59.960 Okay. I watched the last 45 seconds. Just the 00:48:59.960 --> 00:49:03.820 last 45 seconds. Straight to it. Fucking garbage 00:49:03.820 --> 00:49:07.179 memes on Instagram the rest of the day. Then 00:49:07.179 --> 00:49:09.519 we'll say you lived a great life. That's a life 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:13.079 well lived. Going out strong. Alright, well, 00:49:13.139 --> 00:49:16.639 thank you all for listening. You can find us 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.079 on social media. I don't know. Probably. We haven't 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.199 done much on that lately. But you can support 00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.579 us if you want. And if not... I don't care. Yeah, 00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.320 buy my next box of mac and cheese, please. Yeah, 00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:28.380 Nick needs mac and cheese. I'm running out. I 00:49:28.380 --> 00:49:30.760 stopped smoking, and now I just can't get laid. 00:49:32.659 --> 00:49:34.099 Well, yeah, thank you to our Sparkle Buddies, 00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.739 Josh, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam, Bill, and Stuart, 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.219 and to our Cage Dancers, Ira, John, Freeman, 00:49:39.340 --> 00:49:41.300 Nathan, and Cameron. Thank you guys for listening 00:49:41.300 --> 00:49:44.559 and supporting Rusty James. I love you all very 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:49.000 much. Rusty James. Rusty James. Rusty James. 00:49:53.820 --> 00:50:15.940 That's dumb. There we go. I nailed it. That was 00:50:15.940 --> 00:50:18.940 hard. Yeah. Cruel harmony, but harmony nonetheless. 00:50:19.659 --> 00:50:23.920 That's what my karaoke was like. For everyone 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:24.219 else.