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Oh, God. Oh, my God. Okay. Well, should we start

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it off with a little surfer suffer? Surfer suffer.

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Surfer, suffer, surfer, suffer, surfer, suffer.

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You guys were practicing that while I was walking

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my dogs, weren't you? No, this is just straight,

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straight natural quality stuff. Yeah. Oh, my

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God. Being in a cult is awesome. Yeah, cults

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are great. Things have changed up there since

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I moved. They're only getting better. The cult

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of Seattle. Yeah. I mean, at least you guys will

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have like better skin than all those guys on

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the Australian beach. man yeah everyone looks

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pretty fucking terrible yeah no i mean fucking

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when you live like six inches from the sun yeah

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your skin's gonna look like a fucking uh old

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leather handbag yeah it's pretty rough i worked

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with someone from um she's from hawaii and she

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was older than me and the hands were the things

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that gave it away like her hands look ragged

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and then she had like a line like a the opposite

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of a sleeve tattoo right like that's where her

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wetsuit or whatever would Yeah, like the part

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of her that had been in the sun in Hawaii all

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the time was just wrecked. You look old as fuck.

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It's like when you see a truck driver and their

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left arm is all fucked up. Oh man, I get driving

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tan like nobody's business. I used to a lot worse

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because I'd have to drive to Portland all the

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time. Yeah. A lot less time in the sun nowadays.

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Now I just live underground. It's pretty cool.

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Mole people. Like, I mean, those are your people,

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Nick. Truck drivers are mole people. both actually

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truck driving mold people there we go the common

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thread just uh isolation i was gonna say chronic

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masturbators but similar similar vibe yeah speak

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speaking of nicks oh my god it's been it's been

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wall to wall like nicks and like nicks and jicks

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nicks and jicks and brads for the last uh last

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like two weeks it's just like every every time

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i turn around y 'all look alike oh speaking of

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jicks my phone now auto -corrects nick to jick

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perfect as it should be yeah so in case any of

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us forgot we're here talking about nicholas cage's

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the surfer as this is cage match colon a roundabout

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way of meeting nicholas cage where we used to

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take two nicholas cage movies uh set them up

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uh against each other and decide what was the

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better one um but we're done with all that now

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so now we're just talking about random nicholas

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cage stuff Yeah, exactly. You forgot that intro

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real fast. It's amazing what goes out of your

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brain. It's been I haven't had to do it in a

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while. That's true. And who are you? Who are

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any of us? I'm Nick. I'm Sean. And hi, I'm producer

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Peter. And we're joined with our cage dancer

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extra guest here, John, who got to see us see

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this movie with us in the movie theater, which

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was always a good experience. Yeah, right, right.

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Do you see regrettable? No. Tell us. Give us

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a plot summary of the surfer, John. So Nick Cage

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is I would call him an American, but he grew

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up in Australia, sort of. He's the way around.

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He's an Australian who grew up in America. Right.

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Yeah, you're right. It's early. Or is it going

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to that into the movie? Yeah, right, right. The

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movie. Anyway, so he decides he really wants

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to buy his dad's old house that he was, I don't

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know, he didn't totally move it away or his dad.

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I don't remember exactly what. It was like his

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grandpa's house or something like his grandpa

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built the house, I think was the whole concept,

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which is why he really wanted it back. But OK,

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yeah, but it seemed like he'd been working a

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long time to get that house like it had been

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like a. driven goal right yeah it's next to this

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beach where he used to surf with his dad and

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he wants to bring his son there and surf with

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them and you know recreate his experience with

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his dad with his son right there's a lot of dads

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want to do but there's a bunch of local aussies

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there who basically say you know localism you

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know locals only that kind of crap don't live

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here can't surf here that was pretty good yeah

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thank you so They kick him off, but he is bound

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and determined to go surfing, I guess. Mostly

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just to fuck with those guys, it seems like.

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Yeah, it seemed more principled after a certain

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level. Yeah, definitely. And he slowly, his obsession

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slowly turns into madness where he starts to

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question reality and who he is. Spoilers are

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fine, right? Oh, yeah. That's what I thought.

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We're doing full spoilers in this one. Yeah,

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I was like, I've definitely never listened to

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this podcast. But in the end, we find out that

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the locals are actually led. Well, we know they're

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led by this guy who's like a cult leader is a

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tough way to put it. Guru is, I think, good.

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yeah there's like weird leadership masculine

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toxic masculinity guru asshat anyway so it turns

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out that he's been actually grooming cage the

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whole time and it's all been a test uh manliness

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of will like i can't that was the part that i'm

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like i don't know yeah um and then oh there's

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a homeless guy that comes back at the end and

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kills the bad guy and then well there's no and

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then after that that's it and then credits yeah

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i mean that's a pretty good good representation

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of the movie i mean i think that it's not well

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it was a good summary of the movie at least like

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that is what happens i i liked the the descent

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into madness shit i think that was the most well

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executed piece of this entire thing and like

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all the crazy australian bugs and critters like

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cut in there the kookaburra like laughing its

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ass off at him oh yeah that was pretty nice never

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got the lizard isn't there a lizard that popped

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up at least like two or three times yeah there's

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some kind of lizard yeah yeah and they were snakes

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is australia the one where it has the lizard

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that like shoots blood out of its eyes probably

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i think so it is a hellscape it is a hellscape

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exactly there's definitely that the spider like

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pedipalps oh yeah that one was pretty cool yeah

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the uh the snake um bit nick cage i read Oh,

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shit. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Actually bit him. So

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what did you guys just think? Like, what's your

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just quick, like, yay or nay? Like, did you enjoy

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this film? Oh, I loved it. I thought it was great.

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I, you know, I get into, you know, movies that

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make me heightened anxiety and whatnot or play

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on my heightened anxiety. And this did it. It

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was nice. It was nice to be, you know, uncomfortable

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and anxious. I didn't know how to prepare for

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this movie, but it is one that is like kind of

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stuck in my brain now. I don't know how soon

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I'm going to watch it again, but I would watch

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it again. I liked the kind of visceral depiction

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of the elements that he was kind of left in everything

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from how the heat was affecting him, the dehydration.

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just some of the poop water yeah the the weird

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backdrops the poop water the the barking dog

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the the when he woke up next to a condom and

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a crack pipe that was pretty funny it really

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kind of paints you know that coastal kind of

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disregard that you know juvenile surf area very

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well Why did he take his shoes off in the bathroom?

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He was just kind of generally cleaning himself

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up. Yeah, he had a bunch of sand in his shoes.

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But he took the shoes off and then went and took

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a shit. Like, put your shoes back on, dude. Yeah.

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I mean, who do you think you are, RFK? That's

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how you get brain worms, man. I really enjoyed

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this film from, like, fucking start to finish.

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It was weird, but I had so much fun questioning

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reality along with Nicolas Cage this whole time.

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Yeah, the way the scenes kind of depicting, you

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know, the past with his father, the future with

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the homeless guy, and then the current with Nicolas

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Cage really kind of did a good job of, like,

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bending your mind around like what is real what

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isn't real yeah like what's now what what are

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we seeing right like when that cop is fucking

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with him and he's like get back in your old beat

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-up car you know yeah you had i told you to get

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this thing out of here oh my god this was is

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this actually his car this was gas lighting to

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like a tea i love it so in the film there is

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um a homeless man who's walking around the parking

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lot where nick cages parked his car his like

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expensive car because nick cages In business,

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just generic businessman. Nice car, nice watch,

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nice suit. And there's this old homeless guy

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who's handing out flyers for his dead dog because

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he blames the lead surfer. Played by Dr. Doom

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himself, Julian McMahon. Yeah. Scally. Handing

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out flyers for his dead dog or his lost dog that

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Gally had apparently killed. And then, yeah,

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there's. The scene in the bathroom where Nick

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Cage goes in the bathroom after spending the

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night in his car. I think his battery's dead.

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His car battery's dead. Takes his shoes off,

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gets a sand out, like takes his jacket off, like

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lays it on the sink and goes to like take a shit.

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The homeless guy comes in, like drop something,

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hide something in the other stall above the other

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stall and says something like it's yours now

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and then like runs off. And then like we don't

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see the homeless guy again till the end of the

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movie. So. nick cage's car gets like taken away

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so all that's left is the old beater that he

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starts sleeping in and it's a certain point i'm

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like has any of this been real yeah it's a very

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unreliable narrator tyler durden feeling kind

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of situation there's a good chunk of the film

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where i'm like none of this like he's just been

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insane the whole time this is just like yeah

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he doesn't have a son you know none of this shit

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like yeah have you all read or um listened to

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or seen uh american gods so there's that whole

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side storyline about um he's uh i don't remember

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what he does he like sells like tchotchkes or

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some shit but then he ends up hooking up with

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like a taxi driver uh and then wakes up and the

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taxi driver is gone and he's switched lives with

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the taxi driver he is the taxi driver is that

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the genie yeah But this like my mind went to

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that, you know, halfway through this movie or

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so. Not the case, though. Nope. Nope. It's just

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a bunch of real asshole people fucking with a

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guy making him feel crazy. I love that the entire

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community is in on it, like straight up down

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to the poop bag lady. Poop bag lady. Yeah. And

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then there's like the guy in the coffee line

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as he's walking away, just knocks the coffee

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out. Coffee's for locals only. Fuck everybody

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here. Yeah, that was a good Glenn Gary Glenn

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Ross moment for me. Coffee is for closers. Well,

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because like at that point, you're not sure if

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any we think of we've seen of Nicolas Cage is

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real. So they're just like, are they like they're

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just treating a homeless man terribly? Yeah.

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But he's also clearly terribly or appropriately

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dangerous and antagonistic to this community.

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So it really isn't until. when he has his car

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and he's getting to jump there's this um photographer

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this woman is uh taking photos that he asked

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to help jump uh his car they have a nice moment

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they have a chat she takes some photos of him

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uh he sees her later and like approaches her

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and i am so uncomfortable because i'm like did

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did that interaction ever happen is is this real

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is this just going to be one of those like is

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this going to be a vampire's kiss moment where

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he sees uh what's her name at the club but she's

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never actually met him but now though uh she

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remembers him and even has photos of him um which

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i don't remember the line but it stuck with me

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it's something along the lines of i have a car

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i have a car i'm real i exist yeah um and then

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it's like okay so no they are just fucking with

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them just i love that what they wrote on the

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side of his car was just like kook kook yeah

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it's like oh you fucking roast him that may be

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like some big slur yeah it's like the worst thing

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you can say in australia we're about to get this

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podcast removed from australia internet no both

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our listeners you don't have two listeners in

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australia we don't we don't have a single listener

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in australia yet uh In Australian slang, a kook

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refers to someone who is perceived as foolish,

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strange or eccentric. Well, that's just fucking

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everywhere. That's the same. Cool. I like that

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they wrote it in like surfer wax, like surfboard

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wax. It's often used to describe a surfer who

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lacks skill. Oh, so there is some context. Yeah.

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OK, so let's talk about the actual like breakdown

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freak out running to the beach scene. there at

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the end leading up towards the end yeah so okay

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well it all begins when he catches a rat and

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fucking whacks it off onto the car stops it in

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his pocket and pocket rat for later uh -huh gotta

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have a pocket rat that was my thought like pocket

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rat smart yeah good good to have way to be you

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gotta keep your resources tight when you're homeless

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yeah Well, he doesn't immediately pocket it.

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He chucks it into the bush and then goes and

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retrieves it later when he's looking for food.

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Yeah, then it's been sunbaked. Yeah, which he

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did. He did like take a good bite out of it,

00:14:55.419 --> 00:14:58.919
too, before he pockets it. Dry, different quality.

00:14:59.019 --> 00:15:03.179
There you go. Yeah. Wet aged. Gross. That's not

00:15:03.179 --> 00:15:10.080
a thing. Wet aged meats. Rotting. Yeah. But then

00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.919
he gets like. Oh, man, he does get some good

00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:17.700
hits on that one dude who beats up those teens

00:15:17.700 --> 00:15:20.080
kind of on the way down. Well, yeah, he shoves

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them out of the way. They had it fucking coming.

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And then I love that he uses the locals only

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sign. Yeah, and just smacks that dude who headbutted

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him or whatever earlier. That was good. That

00:15:32.379 --> 00:15:34.559
was a good little tussle. The guy's name like

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beef or something. beefaroni yeah i hope his

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name was beef uh but yeah then he gets sort of

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indoctrinated into this group and it's all revealed

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right like yeah we've been fucking with you and

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i love that scene where he's just looking up

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at them and it's like all wavy and he's just

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ha ha good one yeah no he's not like he's on

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the drug trip and it's uh the guy who's like

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he almost drowned and shoved the rat in his mouth

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is uh works for the bank and is gonna get him

00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:05.070
his loan This movie's fucking weird. It is very

00:16:05.070 --> 00:16:07.769
bizarre. Truman Show -ish. Yeah. It's during

00:16:07.769 --> 00:16:11.110
the drug trip scene. I think Nick will get this.

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I don't know, Peter or John, you'll understand

00:16:13.289 --> 00:16:14.649
the reference, but I've been watching a lot of

00:16:14.649 --> 00:16:16.809
Auntie Donna lately, just going back down that

00:16:16.809 --> 00:16:20.269
rabbit hole. Been watching Auntie Donna's Coffee

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Cafe, which is the most Australian thing I've

00:16:22.230 --> 00:16:24.990
ever seen. But during that drug trip scene where

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it's just like quick faces going around, I have

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expected to see like the Auntie Donna crew and

00:16:30.669 --> 00:16:33.330
just like. here auntie donuts and like this would

00:16:33.330 --> 00:16:36.149
be a great that was a great bit this was awesome

00:16:36.149 --> 00:16:41.669
that was a great like hour and a half joke it's

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a very specific reference that very few people

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will get but uh that's where i was at in this

00:16:45.529 --> 00:16:47.750
film our australian listeners will know yeah

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yeah so yeah this film when so after the drug

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trip after like it's shown that uh they've just

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been like they've been soft they've been uh they've

00:16:58.110 --> 00:17:01.330
been toughening him up he like We cut to the

00:17:01.330 --> 00:17:03.809
next day after the and he's he's got his own

00:17:03.809 --> 00:17:08.789
like fucking snuggie like sun poncho. I love

00:17:08.789 --> 00:17:15.670
the fucking terrycloth. Yeah. Slanket. And he's

00:17:15.670 --> 00:17:17.470
just like part of their crew now, but he still

00:17:17.470 --> 00:17:20.690
can't surf until he proves himself and has to

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like burn the old guy's car. Who was an actual

00:17:24.930 --> 00:17:27.349
real person. Yeah. Well, because at that point

00:17:27.349 --> 00:17:30.630
we like. his car has been returned and like everything,

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everything's okay. Yeah. They just had it at

00:17:33.289 --> 00:17:38.190
the shop tuning it up. Yeah. And, uh, his son

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shows up right as right after they light the

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car on fire. Um, the son seems kind of like disturbed

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for a second, but quickly is on board. Cause

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I don't think the kid was on board. I think he

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was in a situation where it's like, oh, my dad's

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part of like some wild cult. He's been missing

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for days. It's Christmas. And now here he is

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burning somebody's car in front of them. I'm

00:18:02.109 --> 00:18:04.150
just saying the kid had the option to just nope

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out of there and be like, oh, we're going to

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talk later. Yeah, I mean, that's a whole recurring

00:18:08.769 --> 00:18:10.430
question. I had the whole movie, too, is why

00:18:10.430 --> 00:18:13.849
doesn't Nick Cage nope out of there? Like where

00:18:13.849 --> 00:18:15.990
where like I understand he's obsessed, but at

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some point. Well, they take his car after the

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second day. It's not like he's there that long

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before they take his car. He could have walked

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for sure. They allude to it when he's watching,

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like when he's doing his background check on

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Scali. It's like some monk thing, like initiation,

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where it's like, oh, you have to stand at the

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gates for seven days and seven nights. And, you

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know, no matter how many times they deny you

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entry, you have to stay there. this and that

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to become like indoctrinated so it was just that

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situation taken away from you know its original

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context and then placed into what was happening

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with this surf crew yeah so if he had left he

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never would have been able to have the house

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he never would have had the beach i think also

00:19:06.859 --> 00:19:08.680
at that point he started to become dehydrated

00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:12.579
and like not starting losing it yeah do you think

00:19:12.579 --> 00:19:14.759
all the bugs that flew on the actors faces were

00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:18.539
real Or CGI'd in there. It's Australia, man.

00:19:18.619 --> 00:19:20.579
Everything is like that all the time. It's amazing

00:19:20.579 --> 00:19:23.619
how little reaction anyone gives as a fly just

00:19:23.619 --> 00:19:25.940
like fucking hits you in the cheek. Yeah, lands

00:19:25.940 --> 00:19:27.799
on your eyeball. Yeah, right. Was this actually

00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:33.220
filmed in Australia? I would think so. That's

00:19:33.220 --> 00:19:34.859
a great question. It's just a beach. Yeah, it

00:19:34.859 --> 00:19:37.640
could just be a beach. It seems odd to like not

00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:39.660
film in Australia and have like an entire Australian

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cast. Well, it's interesting because the director's

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Irish, so. Yeah. the community known for their

00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:48.259
surfing yeah they have fucking great surfers

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how those bay boys galway bay boys um one of

00:19:55.500 --> 00:19:57.960
the things that i picked up on and was really

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sad didn't pay off was fairly early in the movie

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nick cage asked his son he's like hey what are

00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:04.960
you guys doing for christmas or you're coming

00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.720
to me for christmas eve and then going with your

00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:10.859
mom for christmas negotiating the whole uh you

00:20:10.859 --> 00:20:14.059
know dual custody thing um and he's like no we're

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going to a barbecue for christmas and then shortly

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thereafter the surfer dudes are having a barbecue

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down on the beach and i'm like oh no way is she

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dating scully or some shit there's also mention

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of a new bow um and it never paid off and i was

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so sad i really want her to be fucking scully

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that would have been great it would have added

00:20:36.420 --> 00:20:40.140
to the mind fuckery certainly yeah yeah You brought

00:20:40.140 --> 00:20:41.960
up the terrycloth robes. I thought those were

00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.480
kind of fun. Yeah, obviously. I do want one now

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so I can just walk around the house. It's like

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the least manly looking thing for like the manliest

00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:54.940
character. Again, I think it's I think it's more

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for UV protection and like staying out of the

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sun. It's for religious iconography, I think.

00:21:02.299 --> 00:21:04.099
Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm sure there's practical

00:21:04.099 --> 00:21:06.839
uses for it, but it's fun to say it looks like

00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:11.420
a silly poncho. And then Nick Cage gets his own.

00:21:11.619 --> 00:21:15.440
Yeah. It reminds me with like the hood and everything

00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:19.420
of my dog's bathrobe. Yeah. Because it's just

00:21:19.420 --> 00:21:23.279
a little hooded bathrobe. Oh. Made of towel.

00:21:24.180 --> 00:21:26.380
Why don't we just call them towel robes? It's

00:21:26.380 --> 00:21:28.180
the same thing. Yeah, I don't know. It's a good

00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:31.609
question. I mean, they're not all made of terrycloth.

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Some are very plush. Like the ones you steal

00:21:35.309 --> 00:21:38.029
from hotels. I know, but the ones that are made

00:21:38.029 --> 00:21:40.170
from terrycloth, why is there a different word

00:21:40.170 --> 00:21:42.029
for terrycloth, I guess is what I'm saying. Because

00:21:42.029 --> 00:21:46.049
the English language is awful. Yeah. Not the

00:21:46.049 --> 00:21:49.789
worst. I'm going to start doing that, though.

00:21:50.569 --> 00:21:52.930
Terrycloth robe on the beach? Yeah. Hell yeah.

00:21:53.190 --> 00:21:55.670
I'm going to go grab my terrycloth sheet after

00:21:55.670 --> 00:22:01.769
the shower. Good. Ugh. pillowcase. I just looked

00:22:01.769 --> 00:22:03.450
at the director's name and yeah, that is the

00:22:03.450 --> 00:22:05.589
most Irish name I've ever seen. Yeah, Lorcan

00:22:05.589 --> 00:22:08.690
Finnegan. Fuck yeah. Lorcan Finnegan. Super Irish.

00:22:10.309 --> 00:22:12.829
Oh man, I bet he was dying out there on that

00:22:12.829 --> 00:22:15.589
beach. Wow, I didn't even think about that. Yeah,

00:22:15.670 --> 00:22:18.210
for real. All right, so yeah, where would you

00:22:18.210 --> 00:22:22.089
guys put this on the new Cage movie echelon?

00:22:22.809 --> 00:22:26.549
oh it's certainly better than uh any of his westerns

00:22:26.549 --> 00:22:29.349
oh yeah absolutely so i'm we're just not gonna

00:22:29.349 --> 00:22:31.910
talk about those anymore i'm gonna bring them

00:22:31.910 --> 00:22:35.410
up as a reference point to like the lows and

00:22:35.410 --> 00:22:40.329
then uh uh you know lows yeah the lows and the

00:22:40.329 --> 00:22:43.890
more lows yeah no uh it's good i put it i mean

00:22:43.890 --> 00:22:45.769
it's it's up there um i'm trying to think of

00:22:45.769 --> 00:22:48.450
um it's along the lines of like sympathy for

00:22:48.450 --> 00:22:53.130
the devil yeah like dream scenario like whatever

00:22:53.130 --> 00:22:57.630
uh the questions of what's going on yeah for

00:22:57.630 --> 00:22:59.589
sure that was the film i was thinking of where

00:22:59.589 --> 00:23:01.309
i'm like the third act i felt just completely

00:23:01.309 --> 00:23:04.369
fell apart with a dream scenario when uh when

00:23:04.369 --> 00:23:06.289
they just became influencers and they're like

00:23:06.289 --> 00:23:09.250
and they were like people were like incepting

00:23:09.250 --> 00:23:11.630
ads into people's dreams i'm like this was this

00:23:11.630 --> 00:23:14.990
is dumb this wasn't earned As opposed to this

00:23:14.990 --> 00:23:17.890
film when like he's less crazy when you find

00:23:17.890 --> 00:23:19.390
out he's not crazy and then like it just kind

00:23:19.390 --> 00:23:21.670
of ramps up to the homeless guy killing everyone.

00:23:21.710 --> 00:23:24.750
I'm like, no, this wasn't. This was good. But

00:23:24.750 --> 00:23:28.049
yeah, I'd put this up there as one of the one

00:23:28.049 --> 00:23:30.529
of the highlights of the new era of Cage. And

00:23:30.529 --> 00:23:33.410
I feel like I was thinking of it when I thought

00:23:33.410 --> 00:23:36.130
he was insane. I'm like, it really hasn't been

00:23:36.130 --> 00:23:38.210
since like Vampire's Kiss where we've seen him

00:23:38.210 --> 00:23:40.609
like actually go crazy like this, like a character

00:23:40.609 --> 00:23:43.869
who's actually insane. Yeah, the Roger Ebert

00:23:43.869 --> 00:23:45.910
review of this one kind of touched on that, too.

00:23:46.029 --> 00:23:48.349
And his his final takeaway was you should just

00:23:48.349 --> 00:23:50.490
go watch Vampire's Kiss instead of this. If you

00:23:50.490 --> 00:23:52.930
want to see like Wild Ass Cage. But he was like,

00:23:52.950 --> 00:23:55.490
but still, it's an interesting performance. Who's

00:23:55.490 --> 00:23:59.349
review of this? Roger Ebert. Of like Siskel and

00:23:59.349 --> 00:24:02.269
Ebert fame from forever ago. Yeah, isn't he dead?

00:24:02.829 --> 00:24:05.730
Siskel's dead. Siskel's dead. I thought Ebert

00:24:05.730 --> 00:24:08.009
died. Ebert is actually just AI at this point.

00:24:08.049 --> 00:24:10.170
I don't know. It has to be because he had a massive

00:24:10.170 --> 00:24:12.480
stroke a while back. Well, he did, but I mean,

00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:15.220
you can still be successful and perform if you

00:24:15.220 --> 00:24:17.720
have a stroke. No, but I thought he died from

00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:20.539
that stroke. Roger Ebert is definitely alive.

00:24:20.619 --> 00:24:23.339
Are you thinking of Gene Siskel? Yeah, I think

00:24:23.339 --> 00:24:26.079
you might still be thinking of Siskel. No, I'm

00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:27.940
not. I remember his massive stroke. I thought

00:24:27.940 --> 00:24:29.839
he died during it. I thought he died from it.

00:24:29.859 --> 00:24:32.839
No, I'm just wrong. Yeah, Ebert's still around.

00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:34.539
I was just more shocked to find out someone I

00:24:34.539 --> 00:24:36.240
thought had been dead for a decade is alive.

00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.500
I'm just excited. I don't remember when Siskel

00:24:39.500 --> 00:24:42.599
and Ebert were on, like, mid -90s. Yeah, and

00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:46.000
he felt like an old man to me because I was 12

00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:49.019
or whatever. People just used to age poorly.

00:24:49.579 --> 00:24:51.920
Like Nick pointed out long ago, indoor smoking

00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:54.539
was a real thing. Speak for yourself, I still

00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:58.960
age poorly. Get some melanin in you. Yeah, there

00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:02.740
you go. No. There you go. Way to fight the man.

00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:13.190
Wait. Sean? Well, big melanin. We're coming for

00:25:13.190 --> 00:25:14.890
you. You didn't realize this was a conspiracy,

00:25:15.170 --> 00:25:18.450
right? Big melanin is definitely a nickname for

00:25:18.450 --> 00:25:21.670
somebody. That is the big fear in our government

00:25:21.670 --> 00:25:26.630
right now. That's true. Yeah. Not wrong. All

00:25:26.630 --> 00:25:28.470
right. Well, John, do you want to put any final

00:25:28.470 --> 00:25:32.039
thoughts on this one? I mean, I really enjoyed

00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.400
this movie. I fully intend to watch it again,

00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:38.440
maybe six months or so from now and see how my

00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:42.359
opinions changed. I mean, yeah, I put this up

00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.039
there. I liked it better than dream scenario

00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.819
is a little more coherent. Yeah, I would highly

00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:49.359
recommend anybody go see this, even if you're

00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:51.839
not really into Nick Cage. But, you know, in

00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:55.019
one of mine, fuck for, you know, hour and a half.

00:25:55.500 --> 00:25:57.519
I liked watching it to movie theater, mostly

00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:00.089
because I got to eat popcorn and a hot dog. i

00:26:00.089 --> 00:26:02.910
ate way too much popcorn i did too yeah i had

00:26:02.910 --> 00:26:05.869
popcorn farts for the rest of the day it was

00:26:05.869 --> 00:26:08.529
really unbearable for some people i was fine

00:26:08.529 --> 00:26:11.150
with it you were fine i'm sure yeah i got did

00:26:11.150 --> 00:26:13.890
you have any other human beings in your in your

00:26:13.890 --> 00:26:16.250
watching of it yeah no it's uh we had a like

00:26:16.250 --> 00:26:19.470
it was half full uh i went to the hollywood yeah

00:26:19.470 --> 00:26:21.509
i mean it had been out for like a week at this

00:26:21.509 --> 00:26:23.250
point uh i went and saw it at the hollywood theater

00:26:23.250 --> 00:26:25.529
here in portland uh got in for free that was

00:26:25.529 --> 00:26:30.329
fun uh because they knew about the podcast kind

00:26:30.329 --> 00:26:33.470
actually kind of yes um it's a mostly volunteer

00:26:33.470 --> 00:26:36.609
run and the woman who's working the um box office

00:26:36.609 --> 00:26:40.910
uh her and i went on a date um months ago i had

00:26:40.910 --> 00:26:43.750
fun um so she recognized me she's like oh and

00:26:43.750 --> 00:26:45.269
i'm like yeah i'm here for the nick cage she's

00:26:45.269 --> 00:26:46.849
like yeah it's like she's just like going in

00:26:46.849 --> 00:26:52.630
i'm like cool That oh sounded. Yeah, not. Oh,

00:26:52.650 --> 00:27:02.509
it's you. Oh, big melanin, huh? Oh, man. Yeah,

00:27:02.609 --> 00:27:04.849
cool. Well, any other final thoughts or are we

00:27:04.849 --> 00:27:07.910
all good? I like poop bag lady. Poop bag lady.

00:27:08.029 --> 00:27:10.869
Yeah. Yeah. Who's your favorite hooligan or kook?

00:27:11.589 --> 00:27:15.730
I mean, Twitchy was pretty cool. The coffee guy.

00:27:16.220 --> 00:27:19.180
yeah um also not kooks yeah that's true because

00:27:19.180 --> 00:27:21.960
they're good surfers the fucking the one who

00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.579
uh gets his like face rocked and like drowned

00:27:25.579 --> 00:27:30.140
and uh bank manager the bank manager yeah i just

00:27:30.140 --> 00:27:33.599
i like i like his silly little santa hat yeah

00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.200
that's true yeah yeah he's like the beefiest

00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:39.480
dude there just wearing this goofy ass santa

00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:41.880
hat oh wait we have another we have another uh

00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.700
seasonal nick cage film we can watch now we have

00:27:43.700 --> 00:27:45.380
another christmas nick cage film we can watch

00:27:45.380 --> 00:27:48.240
true yeah we no longer just need to watch it

00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.460
we no longer just need to watch um lost in paradise

00:27:51.460 --> 00:27:55.279
trapped in paradise there was a family man too

00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:59.380
yeah both of those movies are bad well the family

00:27:59.380 --> 00:28:01.720
man's not the family man has some merit yeah

00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:06.759
it's not yeah it's not fun though no no it's

00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:09.940
not it does have uh what the fuck's his name

00:28:09.940 --> 00:28:14.339
uh re the guy who plays yeah fucking uh damn

00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:17.240
it i was just talking about him with tc pcu um

00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:22.140
he's the dean from old school uh he got mercury

00:28:22.140 --> 00:28:23.720
poisoning one time because he ate sushi like

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twice a day for a week whoa wow that sounds exactly

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like something a guy who looks like him would

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do correct jeremy jeremy piven yeah jeremy oh

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yeah mercury poison for piven there was a guy

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in my dorm freshman year who was eating tuna

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sandwiches like four or five times a week and

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he would go through wild mood swings and eventually

00:28:47.849 --> 00:28:50.589
we're like dude you need to stop eating so much

00:28:50.589 --> 00:28:54.630
tuna fish and then he did and he became almost

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normal again whoa wow yeah it's fucking wild

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um but he ate he would put barbecue sauce It

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is tuna. So it was tuna and barbecue sauce. That's

00:29:05.140 --> 00:29:07.480
so weird. When I was into bodybuilding, you have

00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:10.460
to have a lot of like lean protein and it doesn't

00:29:10.460 --> 00:29:12.359
taste great, but a little bit of barbecue sauce

00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.160
goes a long way. Interesting. So it's a good

00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.880
way to make things palatable. He wasn't a bodybuilder.

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I think he was on the baseball team, but I don't

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know. I suspect he was one of the guys that crucified

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the bat because at some point I came home from

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class or work or something. And it was oh, it

00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.440
came home from a show. It was late at night and

00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:39.400
they had caught a bat. And crucified it on popsicle

00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:42.079
sticks. OK, OK, stop. You were talking about

00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.539
baseball and then you had to crucify a bat. And

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I'm like, what the fuck? That was a weird leap.

00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:50.119
Oh, hold on. The best part. They put pennies

00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.940
in the test buttons of the bug eyes, the emergency

00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:57.000
lights to like make them stay on and refocused

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it onto the bat. And it was just in the hallway

00:29:59.869 --> 00:30:02.890
when I came back. I'm like, I'm not even the

00:30:02.890 --> 00:30:05.210
weirdest person here. Like, I'm not the one doing

00:30:05.210 --> 00:30:07.970
the weird fucked up shit. This is so good. I

00:30:07.970 --> 00:30:12.529
love college. Oh, one thing I saw when I was

00:30:12.529 --> 00:30:14.410
reading about this this morning, I was flipping

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through the IMDB and saw what the homeless guy

00:30:17.410 --> 00:30:20.569
actually looks like. And he's like, I don't know,

00:30:20.589 --> 00:30:24.549
a 25 year old, very attractive. Like what? Yeah.

00:30:25.009 --> 00:30:29.140
Like, is he currently 25 ish? Or is there on

00:30:29.140 --> 00:30:32.299
his IMDB like he was? I was like, whoa, they

00:30:32.299 --> 00:30:34.720
really changed that guy over. But yeah, fair.

00:30:34.779 --> 00:30:37.799
It might be an old photo. Because you can put

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whatever photo you want. Wait, are you telling

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me IMDB is going to catfish me? Yes, absolutely.

00:30:46.099 --> 00:30:50.720
They have catfish in Australia. No, catfish don't

00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.200
kill you enough. Yeah, probably something deadlier.

00:30:53.299 --> 00:30:56.960
Yeah, like lionfish. Yeah, exactly. Nicholas

00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:04.019
Kasim the bum. I mean, he looks our age. Really?

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Well, I don't know. I was walking down the street.

00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.599
Maybe I wasn't paying attention too hard. That's

00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:12.539
fair. Well, happy birthday to birthday to birthday

00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:13.980
to birthday. You gotta pay more attention when

00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:16.140
you're a pedestrian, dude. Yeah, right. You're

00:31:16.140 --> 00:31:19.059
gonna get run over. Where does IMDb, like, give

00:31:19.059 --> 00:31:21.359
you their age? I mean, you just have to look

00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.240
at their birth year. I'm not seeing. And then

00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:29.000
math. And then math. Yeah. I don't want to do

00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.420
math. Or you could have copy and pasted his name.

00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.779
This is right back to Sean went to art school.

00:31:33.859 --> 00:31:36.519
He's not doing math. No, no mathing going on

00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.220
here. We could draw you a picture of the year

00:31:39.220 --> 00:31:41.940
that he was born and figure it out from there.

00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.099
Visual clues. After Nicholas seemed known for

00:31:45.099 --> 00:31:48.420
Mr. In between 2018, the outlaws and a few best

00:31:48.420 --> 00:31:56.599
men. Nothing's giving me his age. Weird. Well,

00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.279
go see the surfer. Have a birth certificate.

00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:03.460
Exactly. The actor known for his role as Bruce

00:32:03.460 --> 00:32:06.819
was 93 years old when he passed out. Now this

00:32:06.819 --> 00:32:10.900
is that seems like not the right guy. The moment's

00:32:10.900 --> 00:32:13.960
gone. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you all for

00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:18.240
listening. Our Patreon support has changed and

00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.099
I don't remember who is actually supporting us

00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:22.900
anymore. So thank you to our supporters that

00:32:22.900 --> 00:32:27.380
I will. loosely edit uh josh and josie rico matt

00:32:27.380 --> 00:32:29.720
adam and bill our spark buddies and our cage

00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.839
dancers ira john freeman lance nathan and cameron

00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:34.940
are you just oh i forgot stewart stewart's also

00:32:34.940 --> 00:32:37.680
in there stewart are you gonna just quack out

00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.059
the names that aren't supporting us anymore yes

00:32:40.059 --> 00:32:42.240
perfect that seems like the most appropriate

00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.440
way to do it yeah i do it the same order every

00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.819
time so everybody knows who you who it was exactly

00:32:46.819 --> 00:32:49.700
like oh i can't believe that they're not supporting

00:32:49.700 --> 00:32:53.839
anymore yeah when was the surfer filmed Oh, I

00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.079
don't know. I would guess two years ago. I mean,

00:32:56.079 --> 00:33:00.279
yeah. All right. Are you still trying to figure

00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.500
out how old that guy is? Yeah. Bugs me. Bye bye.

00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:18.720
Eat the rat. Eat the rat. Bye bye. Sean, do you

00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.950
just have a bowl of M &M's next to you? No, that's

00:33:21.950 --> 00:33:26.809
my dog's ball pit. Oh, fucking awesome. Perspective

00:33:26.809 --> 00:33:28.549
is fun. That's probably a lot bigger than it

00:33:28.549 --> 00:33:31.890
appears on the screen. Yeah. No, his ball pit

00:33:31.890 --> 00:33:35.289
is roughly the size of a bowl of Cheerios. You

00:33:35.289 --> 00:33:37.190
can see Ben standing next to it. Ben's there

00:33:37.190 --> 00:33:41.569
for scale. Not as good as a banana. That's right.

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My favorite one of those is a guy was like, holy

00:33:45.630 --> 00:33:47.769
shit, it's so cold in Florida or whatever that

00:33:47.769 --> 00:33:50.630
my pool froze. And you can't tell when you look

00:33:50.630 --> 00:33:52.210
at the picture because it just looks like glass.

00:33:52.670 --> 00:33:56.250
And so he puts his guitar on a guitar stand on

00:33:56.250 --> 00:34:01.670
the pool and goes, guitar for temperature. Yeah,

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nice.
