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Oh, God. Oh, my God. It was all a dream. He was

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in the shower the whole time. No. Those are the

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worst. Fucking dynasty. Just thinking about it.

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Yeah, for real. Was that Dynasty? Probably. I

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can't remember. My pop culture references are

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going to be all fucked up tonight. Well, good

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thing you don't have to have too many pop culture

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references. You just need four. I have one of

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them right here. That's true. Oh. I don't like

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coconuts and that doesn't do anything for me.

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You know, I don't like coconut either, but in

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the spirit of this, I'm definitely going to house

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one of those snowballs. Yeah, there is absolutely

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nothing about a snowball that I find attractive

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aside from the pinkness of it. Yeah. And the

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chocolate cake. But I'm not a huge fan of the

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hostess frosting like same. So, yeah, you know,

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we're just going to get through it. I'll take

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one to the mouth and that's fine. This is now

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a snack cake podcast. Yeah. When was the last

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time we made that joke? Oh, changing what the

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podcast is? Yeah. That's a good question. I feel

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like we've been kind of on it these last few

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rounds. Doing our work? Boo. Fucking cowards.

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I love how it's taken us three years to get good

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at this, and we're literally two episodes from

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the end. Yeah. It's still arguable about whether

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we're good at this or not, too. Fair enough.

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But we are still here and less distracted. I

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mean, for those listeners out there, you are

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going to hear these in strange order, I suppose,

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because this is going to come out and then the

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next episode, I think, is going to be gunslingers

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if we can track that shit down. And then it's

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going to be the Nick Cage Universe D &D game

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part one and two and then the surfer and then

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the finale. So that'll be interesting. Oh, you're

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splitting the game up into two episodes? It was

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quite long. Yeah. plus there are two there's

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like a good in -between point that i think we

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can you know last time on cage match i'm pretty

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sure you like inserted one of those while we

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were playing and i was like thrown back for a

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second i was like oh that's probably his natural

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breaking point like emotionally yes i mean i

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will say that the first time i heard daryl do

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the peter low voice i lost my shit uh yeah That

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was pretty incredible. Man, I was just watching

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some YouTube stuff today. And this is going to

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tie back in a second. And I was watching a scene,

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a Norman Reedus scene from the new Bike Riders

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film. Tom Hardy motorcycles and Australia shit.

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And Norman Reedus has the most Bobby Peru teeth

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ever in that thing. They're tiny and they're

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moldy and it's gross. Ew. Yeah. It was very hard

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to watch that scene, but it was nice. Emotionally,

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like loyally. Did I tell you guys when I was

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acting in college, I played a like down south

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racist in the play called The Foreigner. And

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as a Chiefs fan, that probably wasn't too hard.

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Really big stretch. I know. I feel like I knew

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this about you. Yeah. The director had me use

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that stuff that makes your teeth look absolutely

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fucking disgusting. You just paint it on. I wish

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I had a picture of it. I don't think I have a

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picture of it anymore, but it was repulsive.

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It's like grease makeup for your teeth. Yeah,

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really, really gnarly. They look so fucking bad.

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I don't like it. I never had to do anything like

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that. Well, play more racist. I'll try. I hate

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being typecast, though. Yeah, right. I played

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I played a villain. I think four out of the five

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plays that I was in. Which is kind of amazing.

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I was a villain, I think, only once. I was Henri

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Labise in Victor Victoria. Oh, nice. The French

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club owner. Yeah, cool. Honestly, playing a bad

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guy is pretty amazing. It's pretty great. Like,

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there's something so fun. The bad guys have the

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most fun. There's, like... The bad guys are always

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the character who has a plan, who has a goal,

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who wants to fucking do something. And the hero

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just shows up and fucks that shit up. Yeah. Catches

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the breeze. What an ass. Yeah. Speaking of fucking

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shit up, welcome back to Cage Match, calling

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a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage. My

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name is Sean, here with my co -host. Nick. Thank

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you for fucking that up. I'm Nick. And our producer.

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Peter, hello. Thank you for not fucking that

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up, Peter. Yeah, you're welcome. Hey, I got my

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name right. You did. Yeah. No jicks here. No,

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I checked. And this is, did I say this is Cage

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Match calling around about Wade meeting Nicolas

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Cage? You did. I did. Way to fuck that up. So

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Sean is working off of very minimal sleep for

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you, dear listener. Yeah, I got two 20 minute

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naps today after like two and a half hours of

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sleep last night. You should be able to fucking

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go. I've been up since 2 .30am. Yeah. Woo. I

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had a shot of espresso before hitting the mic.

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So I'm going to crash hard at some point. Did

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you boof it? Yeah. But coffee. No. Have you tried

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brown and brown amphetamines? For the sake of

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my job, no. Reasonable. On this podcast, we.

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have watched 64 Nicolas Cage films bracket style

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and have gone round after round to now the final

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four skin, the top four movies. We're going to

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discuss them and we're going to decide what the

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final two are today on Cage Match. Calling a

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roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage. With

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your hosts, Sean and Nick and me, Peter. Nice.

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I don't like this. Now you're just fucking with

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me. I'm sleep deprived. This is perfect. I don't

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know where I am. We can do whatever we want.

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It is the ideal time to start doing that. Well,

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so I think it makes the most sense to just kind

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of kick it off from the top of the bracket where

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we started. And it's going to be action versus

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comedy. Sure. So it's a Con Air up against Raising

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Arizona, which, you know, both of them. have

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action and both of them have comedy so of the

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two head -to -heads that we're dealing with today

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this is the one that makes more sense yes uh

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nick you suggested some uh prompts if you will

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do we want to like yeah so there's a couple things

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that we're uh looking at in you know talking

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about these four rather different films uh because

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you can't like compare an action film to a comedy

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necessarily and say which one's better because

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they're doing different things so we're looking

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at some of our what is definitely better though

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well well let's debate yeah so we're looking

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at some of the the core items that we set out

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to uh figure out what was the uh really the meat

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of this podcast and like finding the cagiest

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like best kind of nicholas cage film so we're

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looking at uh our caginess you know if you've

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gotten this far and you haven't figured out what

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that is it's you're more yeah this is your first

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episode of cage match you chose poorly it doesn't

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get better i will say in terms of caginess uh

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that much like the fucking whims we decide what

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is good uh does change drastically uh movie to

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movie right uh generally caginess we would describe

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as his uh eccentricities yeah the the bug eyes

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the freak outs yeah you know the big motions

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the you know the and emotions the caginess of

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it all uh within the film you know we're gonna

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look at the performances how well that conveys

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what it needs to in the film you know just yeah

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you know look we're not like film critics we're

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we're gonna do the best we can but This isn't

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science. The originality of the film and of the

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performance. We'll look at that. As well as a

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general effectiveness of the film in reaching

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its goal in the film to audience touchiness.

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Touchiness? Yeah, perfect. And you say we're

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not professional film critics. Yeah, I know.

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We're professionals. Yeah, so those four categories,

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we're just going to kind of talk them out and

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use that as a diving board? Yeah, I mean, so...

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Jumping off point. A jumping off point, so I

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think that... A jumping off board that you put

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into a pool. Ooh, a jumpy board. A jumping off

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board. Hmm. It's the next big thing. It'll catch

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on. So, Con Air. Yeah, what's this movie about?

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Convicts in the air. It's got show tunes. It's

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amazing. No, it doesn't. It is amazing though.

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It does have that Lynyrd Skynyrd song. It does.

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That's not Lynyrd Skynyrd. No, it is not. Although.

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fucking there we go without you this would make

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such an amazing broadway musical in the vein

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of like spider -man turn off the dark or like

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the king kong musical like taking like yes it

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would a fucking yeah i just wouldn't want it

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to get canceled that's the problem with those

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ones yeah that's true those are all the ones

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that failed we have to see it immediately i want

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i want cyrus the virus's big number yeah Do you

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remember when there was the Evil Dead musical?

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Evil Dead? No, just Evil Dead. Oh, there was

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Evil Dead, the musical. Yeah. I never saw it.

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No, no one did. It like performed in Toronto

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and closed. That's really disappointing because

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I bet it was good. I bet it was great. Yeah.

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Yeah. Got to get to more theater. So, Connor,

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Nicolas Cage plays Cameron Poe, who is. arrested

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and sentenced to seven years in prison after

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killing a man in self -defense. Still such bullshit.

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Like, I hate that part of it. I mean, I get it.

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He has to go to prison. That's the whole point.

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But like, it's so dumb. His hands are deadly

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weapons. You should have known better. He's held

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to a high standard. It's a good thing that guy

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took the knife off the ground when he ran away.

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Yeah, because then there was no way to prove

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that Nicholas. Otherwise, this would have been

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a very short movie and very different. Yeah.

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it it does bother me though that at the end he

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just gets to like go off with his wife i'm like

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there's paperwork to sign like he's going back

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to prison because like he just like left if i've

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learned anything from watching jack reacher is

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it's that he can just fuck shit up and leave

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and it's okay because he you know did it in the

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name of good right and also because the powers

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that be probably won't report his involvement

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Also, just being a giant motherfucker who is

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super imposing. Yeah. Yeah. Alan Rickson's a

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huge dude. I mean, Nick Cage is pretty big in

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this. Like, this is this is this is swole cage.

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We're getting up there. Yeah. Have we ever talked

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about how tall Nicholas Cage is? No. No. Oh,

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my God. Who's going to Google that first? I I'm

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going to guess that he is. Six foot one. Oh,

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that's it. Yeah. OK. Yeah. So he's 5 '11". Yeah,

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exactly. No, I think he's probably going to come

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in at like six foot true, but maybe like six

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foot higher. Yeah. Yeah. Six foot even according

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to the Googles. OK, so still 5 '11", but yeah.

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OK, so, hmm. All right. I found I found a flaw

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with with face off. John Travolta is two inches

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taller. John Travolta is that tall? With his

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lifts, apparently. Yeah, apparently. Jesus Christ.

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And he kind of has a pompadour some of the time,

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too. Yeah, that gives you extra height. I've

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told you guys the story about how I saved my

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ex -girlfriend from Scientologists. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. Okay. Yeah, fuck. That's an interesting

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cult, for sure. Cults are interesting, just in

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general. This is now a cult podcast. What's your

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favorite cult? What's my favorite cult? Yeah.

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Probably the. Sean, we're losing you. We're losing

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you. It's almost as if this was a comedy podcast

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at one point. Yeah. OK, I'm thinking about cults.

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I like that hillbop comet cult. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Also, that was a 1997 thing. Yeah. A lot of shit

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happened in 97. I think I got to go true to my

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roots and go with the the Oregon cult. Yeah.

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That makes sense. What were they called again?

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The. But they did some wild. Rajneesh. Yeah.

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The Rajneesh. Yeah. Rajneesh. Rajneesh. That's

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such a fun word to say wrong. Yeah. Rajneesh.

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I'm trying to poison the the water in Portland

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with salmonella. That was pretty good part. Yeah.

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and all the firearms what about you manson you

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a manson guy no i'm not a manson guy uh fucking

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jim jones is fucking jonestown's wacky fucking

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they killed an orangutan in that one yeah oh

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man yeah the family had a pet orangutan like

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if you if you listen to uh is that was that one

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of those where like he used to be a door -to

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-door ape salesman or whatever monkey salesman

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yeah sorry yeah totally a career yeah it was

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dude the fucking 70s was a wild time was it the

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70s i don't remember all the people who didn't

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live in the 70s right okay so door -to -door

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monkey salesman was a job at one point in this

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nation's history we live in the worst possible

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time you can claim anything is a job i suppose

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i mean if somebody transacts money for a thing

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you do like there you go if we went out and got

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monkeys today we could still be door -to -door

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monkey salesman we would just be very... Unsuccessful?

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Urgent monkey salesmen, because we don't want

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to get caught with these monkeys. Or killed by

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them. Yeah, or killed by them. Well, we keep

00:15:29.610 --> 00:15:31.289
them in the trunk, obviously. Oh, good, trunk

00:15:31.289 --> 00:15:34.330
monkeys. God, it's safe. Nice. Come on. These

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monkeys are priced to move. Con air. This movie

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has, like, almost no caginess to it. It's a pretty

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straight action performance. He is kind of a

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blank canvas upon which bad things happen, and

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he reacts with violence. Yeah, I mean, he gets

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to be a badass in response. Violence and sarcasm.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeehaw. Oh, yeah. But that's

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like, I just rewatched this two nights ago, and

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I'm just like, he has so little to say in this

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film. It's not bad. Like he serves the role of

00:16:21.450 --> 00:16:26.070
like fucking brick shithouse. What to do with

00:16:26.070 --> 00:16:29.649
the violence that saves the day. But there is

00:16:29.649 --> 00:16:32.990
a definite lack of a personality in Cameron Poe.

00:16:33.529 --> 00:16:36.029
What is the sound that we are hearing? Yeah,

00:16:36.049 --> 00:16:40.149
I don't know. That's my voice. Well, what is

00:16:40.149 --> 00:16:45.029
this horrible noise? Yeah. It's just the heat,

00:16:45.129 --> 00:16:49.590
but it was. It sounds weird and rattly. Yeah,

00:16:50.110 --> 00:16:53.370
maybe the fridge. Also, don't try and open that

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fridge because the handle will just fall off.

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Oh, sick. I'm going to do it. Yeah. Sorry, John.

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And then I'm going to find out in the fridge.

00:17:01.549 --> 00:17:04.089
There you go. Nice. But how is he going to open

00:17:04.089 --> 00:17:06.890
the door to get the handle out? I'll trick him.

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I'll put the handle on the wrong side. He'll

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pull the fridge over. We should just switch his

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door. No, you got a turtle backpack. You got

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to turn it inside out. Yeah. Yes. That is still

00:17:18.180 --> 00:17:20.759
one of the best pranks. Was that Seth who told

00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:23.559
us that? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that was so

00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.140
fucking good. It's like the most harmless prank

00:17:26.140 --> 00:17:30.019
that is incredible. Nick said he was going to

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buy me a backpack just so he could do it to me.

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Yeah. I could do it to a purse, though. You could

00:17:35.619 --> 00:17:38.619
do it. You could definitely turtle a purse. Don't

00:17:38.619 --> 00:17:41.849
turtle my purse. yeah so there isn't a whole

00:17:41.849 --> 00:17:45.250
lot for the caginess but uh performance you know

00:17:45.250 --> 00:17:47.650
like kind of like i said it's pretty standard

00:17:47.650 --> 00:17:51.569
action performance it doesn't i don't think it

00:17:51.569 --> 00:17:55.049
goes out of its way to be good his accent's not

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good so points points lost on that one um but

00:18:00.930 --> 00:18:06.109
it's also like an iconic performance like put

00:18:06.109 --> 00:18:10.170
the bunny in the box Well, and I mean, it's one

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of those things. It's like. He is true to the

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character. Yeah, no, he definitely was playing

00:18:15.970 --> 00:18:18.049
Cameron Poe and there's no like debate about

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it. But yeah, it's it's not like he's asked to

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do much. No major acting, you know? No, there's

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no like. Deep dives and feelings or no, I do.

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I do. I do love the accent. I do love the subtlety

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of just. he doesn't have a lot of lines but the

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ones he does does have are like they're fun um

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like when garland is giving uh his reasoning

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why um one dude's like like how laughter like

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actually hurts this guy billy bedlam um and all

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he does is goes just says hi he's like hi garland

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yeah like it's pretty good and like it would

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be great except like the fucking i'm gonna prove

00:19:04.900 --> 00:19:08.160
to you there is a god is the dumbest line and

00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:11.819
i hate it it is a dumb line that's easily the

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worst line in the entire fucking movie there's

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no reason for it it's like he's not shown as

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being religious or spiritual even beyond just

00:19:20.500 --> 00:19:25.079
being from alabama right right but outside of

00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:28.859
that it's like yeah no i mean he never like does

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any kind of prayer or anything like that when

00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:34.809
he's in prison like i don't know no I still maintain

00:19:34.809 --> 00:19:36.750
he's not that smart considering he thought, you

00:19:36.750 --> 00:19:39.009
know, his fucking four -year -old daughters was

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writing those letters. I mean, somebody could

00:19:43.950 --> 00:19:48.390
have been doing dictation. That's how each one

00:19:48.390 --> 00:19:52.950
of those letters ended. Dictated. Dictated, not

00:19:52.950 --> 00:19:57.829
read. Yep. Would make the most sense. But yeah,

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no, I don't think Cameron is a particularly smart

00:20:02.190 --> 00:20:06.849
man. He never needed to be. He's just a, you

00:20:06.849 --> 00:20:12.329
know, retired army ranger. And I don't recall

00:20:12.329 --> 00:20:15.190
them having an IQ test as an entrance in the

00:20:15.190 --> 00:20:20.009
ASVAB. What the fuck was that? The ASVAB? You

00:20:20.009 --> 00:20:23.230
never took the ASVAB? No, I just heard a fucking

00:20:23.230 --> 00:20:27.950
terrifying noise on my end. Oh. Oh, well, we

00:20:27.950 --> 00:20:29.710
can't we can't take any more breaks. You have

00:20:29.710 --> 00:20:32.849
to just live with the horror. Yeah. In your home.

00:20:32.869 --> 00:20:34.710
We'll tell you if something comes up behind you,

00:20:34.750 --> 00:20:36.809
though. I mean, I can see if anything's coming

00:20:36.809 --> 00:20:38.809
up behind me. Oh, that's true. That's a vampire

00:20:38.809 --> 00:20:43.410
and it's not seen on camera. Maybe. Although

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I think vampires would show up on digital cameras

00:20:46.670 --> 00:20:52.079
because. I think they didn't show up in. earlier

00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.119
ones because of the mirror in an slr camera right

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so if you had a mirrorless cam yeah so i think

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that would be the difference here and i was thinking

00:21:02.700 --> 00:21:06.539
about it i think not to start talking about vampires

00:21:06.539 --> 00:21:09.019
or anything but it's a vampire podcast now the

00:21:09.019 --> 00:21:12.319
reasons that they like don't show up in mirrors

00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:14.819
is because mirrors used to be lined with silver

00:21:14.819 --> 00:21:19.960
right which was their bad bad feels it all makes

00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:22.109
sense yeah Way to get to the bottom of vampires.

00:21:22.470 --> 00:21:24.529
Yeah, I do a lot of thinking about vampires when

00:21:24.529 --> 00:21:29.650
I'm just sitting at home. So hot. All right,

00:21:29.670 --> 00:21:32.710
moving on. Yeah. So, you know, overall, I think

00:21:32.710 --> 00:21:34.890
this movie does a great job of being an action

00:21:34.890 --> 00:21:37.910
film. Yeah. Like if you look at if you look at

00:21:37.910 --> 00:21:40.150
any aspect of this movie too long, it falls apart.

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But if you're just there for the ride, fucking

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great. Which is exactly where it needs to be.

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But. There's no like deep themes. You're not

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going to walk away from it thinking about anything

00:21:53.789 --> 00:21:58.569
other than how cool it is. I still maintain this.

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This movie has this movie's weakest point was

00:22:02.750 --> 00:22:05.390
the fact that the script was like not finished

00:22:05.390 --> 00:22:08.250
and was kind of being written on the days just

00:22:08.250 --> 00:22:11.809
because they have such great archetypes for characters

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and great people playing them. And most of them

00:22:15.890 --> 00:22:18.109
have nothing really to do other than just be.

00:22:19.470 --> 00:22:23.009
one -dimensional bad guys where you have a garland

00:22:23.009 --> 00:22:27.650
green who's there for mild comic relief but is

00:22:27.650 --> 00:22:31.049
set up to be so much more um cyrus the virus

00:22:31.049 --> 00:22:34.470
really fun villain could have done a little more

00:22:34.470 --> 00:22:38.789
with um so just and you know yeah it definitely

00:22:38.789 --> 00:22:42.349
suffers from having too much good stuff what

00:22:42.349 --> 00:22:46.309
is that am pm yeah yeah too much good stuff or

00:22:46.309 --> 00:22:48.089
yeah it has a lot of good stuff just none of

00:22:48.089 --> 00:22:50.900
it's focused yeah exactly because you can't because

00:22:50.900 --> 00:22:52.579
there's just too much it's like oh you want to

00:22:52.579 --> 00:22:54.940
give diamond dog some time okay but sorry we

00:22:54.940 --> 00:22:56.980
need to focus on swamp thing for a minute you

00:22:56.980 --> 00:23:00.000
know yeah i mean the movie's already damn near

00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:03.579
two hours or whatever so it it gets a little

00:23:03.579 --> 00:23:06.759
disheveled yeah by trying to include so much

00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:08.960
but you can't cut out people because it's a fucking

00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.900
airplane like you have to have a full ass airplane

00:23:11.900 --> 00:23:15.180
of characters yeah i mean you can cut out moskowitz

00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:24.579
yeah Yeah, I think he got removed cleanly from

00:23:24.579 --> 00:23:27.960
the script and pinball. I like how pinball went.

00:23:28.430 --> 00:23:30.569
I mean, you're never going to make me sad about

00:23:30.569 --> 00:23:33.130
having a Dave Chappelle corpse doll. That is

00:23:33.130 --> 00:23:36.369
so fucking funny to me. Every time I see it in

00:23:36.369 --> 00:23:39.470
that like slow falling through the sky, I just

00:23:39.470 --> 00:23:42.390
lose my shit. It is so funny. I just love that.

00:23:42.410 --> 00:23:45.390
It's like a slightly ashy looking Dave Chappelle.

00:23:45.869 --> 00:23:48.710
I always forget he's in this movie. I've watched

00:23:48.710 --> 00:23:51.430
this movie five times in three years and I always

00:23:51.430 --> 00:23:52.930
forget he's in this movie because I don't want

00:23:52.930 --> 00:23:55.049
to fucking think about Dave Chappelle. Fair enough.

00:23:55.150 --> 00:23:57.710
I'm glad he always dies and relatively quickly.

00:23:58.329 --> 00:24:01.029
It takes me back to like the, you know, the old

00:24:01.029 --> 00:24:03.369
school TV shows, the sitcoms that were on when

00:24:03.369 --> 00:24:07.710
we were, you know, in our late. Early years,

00:24:07.869 --> 00:24:09.869
you know, whatever it is, and like where they

00:24:09.869 --> 00:24:12.369
would just ragdoll someone and it would not even

00:24:12.369 --> 00:24:14.789
look at all like a real person, just like a body

00:24:14.789 --> 00:24:18.029
flies across the screen. It's like that is just

00:24:18.029 --> 00:24:20.950
pillows in a sack, you know? Yeah, well, I had

00:24:20.950 --> 00:24:24.609
friends. And they were in college. I was fucking

00:24:24.609 --> 00:24:27.670
not because I was a bum for a while. But they

00:24:27.670 --> 00:24:31.349
were all like, you know, fucking actors and filmmakers.

00:24:31.470 --> 00:24:33.369
And they wanted to be like the next whitest kids,

00:24:33.410 --> 00:24:37.170
you know, like sketch comedy troupe. And one

00:24:37.170 --> 00:24:39.650
of our one of the bits we came up with was because

00:24:39.650 --> 00:24:42.789
we had no budget was, hey, you forgot your hat.

00:24:42.910 --> 00:24:45.589
So we had just like. a dummy like a pillow dummy

00:24:45.589 --> 00:24:48.269
guy so anytime someone had to take a fall down

00:24:48.269 --> 00:24:50.109
some stairs to go out a window it would always

00:24:50.109 --> 00:24:51.890
be proceeded with hey you forgot your hat we'd

00:24:51.890 --> 00:24:54.769
throw a hat we'd hand the character hat and then

00:24:54.769 --> 00:24:57.029
cut to like the dummy going out a window wearing

00:24:57.029 --> 00:25:02.269
that hat excellent it was the only good idea

00:25:02.269 --> 00:25:10.250
we had anything else on con air um phil uh are

00:25:10.250 --> 00:25:13.549
so are there any themes in this film uh i would

00:25:13.549 --> 00:25:17.569
say no um i would even say like cameron poe doesn't

00:25:17.569 --> 00:25:20.589
even go on a hero's journey he's not at all a

00:25:20.589 --> 00:25:22.910
different person at the end of this film he doesn't

00:25:22.910 --> 00:25:27.130
grow or change in this film like no he just shows

00:25:27.130 --> 00:25:30.569
you who you are throughout the course or shows

00:25:30.569 --> 00:25:34.089
you who he is i mean maybe he shows you who you

00:25:34.089 --> 00:25:36.730
are i don't know maybe this movie changed somebody

00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.960
But it changed. It changed fucking Cyrus the

00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:46.019
virus into a flat headed dead guy. Yeah, it changed

00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:52.619
Dave Chappelle into a slightly body double. But

00:25:52.619 --> 00:25:55.359
yeah, like there's no there. I mean, we're told

00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.619
in the first three minutes who this character

00:25:58.619 --> 00:26:01.099
is, and we are not surprised by anything he does.

00:26:01.579 --> 00:26:05.000
No, he he just lives up to it the whole time.

00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:07.000
He should have done more with his Spanish lessons,

00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.559
though. And it's origami. Yeah, origami, too.

00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:13.960
Big loss. Big fail. Now, hold on. I did find

00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:19.079
him using his Spanish. Remember when he is he

00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:24.599
meets up with Santino's or Sandino's in the hangar?

00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:29.480
He says something along the lines of like. Hold

00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.789
it, essay or whatever. Yeah, or like comprende.

00:26:32.950 --> 00:26:37.069
Yeah. Essay or something like that. He uses two

00:26:37.069 --> 00:26:41.930
Spanish words poorly. But no origami. No origami.

00:26:42.269 --> 00:26:44.589
Unless you want to consider how he folded up

00:26:44.589 --> 00:26:49.529
Dave Chappelle to drop him. I think he used the

00:26:49.529 --> 00:26:54.049
foot method. Oh, OK. Oh, just also one thing

00:26:54.049 --> 00:26:56.349
I want to add to in terms of like performance,

00:26:56.529 --> 00:26:58.809
because it is about Nick Cage, but also I think

00:26:58.809 --> 00:27:01.660
it should be about like. the whole of nick cage

00:27:01.660 --> 00:27:06.799
in the film and this is very much a um ensemble

00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:11.579
ensemble film like i think everyone almost everyone

00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:14.900
else is given more to do and succeeds at it in

00:27:14.900 --> 00:27:17.839
this film um or at least was given something

00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:19.759
more fun to do you know back to the original

00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:21.640
conversation of like being the bad guy is more

00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:24.039
fun you know playing that role is way more fun

00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:26.859
and when you've got 20 bad guys right there's

00:27:26.859 --> 00:27:29.380
20 people having a great time Like, you know

00:27:29.380 --> 00:27:32.079
who is not a good character? Baby -O. Baby -O.

00:27:32.819 --> 00:27:36.200
Oh, yeah. He's like, I have diabetes. I'm going

00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.880
to fucking die. I'm going to try and be a hero,

00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.000
but I'm really hurt and dying from diabetes.

00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:47.940
I'm going to show you God does exist. Yeah. It's

00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:50.289
true. Baby -O, they got history. He helped Baby

00:27:50.289 --> 00:27:54.509
-O get his diabetes. He helped Baby -O get his

00:27:54.509 --> 00:27:58.670
diabetes. And with that, Raising Arizona. Yeah,

00:27:58.690 --> 00:28:02.609
let's move on. Yeah. Fucking, this is a movie

00:28:02.609 --> 00:28:06.569
where Nick Cage is a kidnapper. Baby -napper,

00:28:06.670 --> 00:28:11.430
steals babies. By profession, he is a convenience

00:28:11.430 --> 00:28:17.170
store robber. Yeah. Unarmed robber. in terms

00:28:17.170 --> 00:28:22.490
of our original bracket there wasn't like we

00:28:22.490 --> 00:28:25.390
i thought we went into this thinking nick cage

00:28:25.390 --> 00:28:29.210
has done a lot of comedy he has not um most of

00:28:29.210 --> 00:28:31.930
a lot of good comedy most of what we have in

00:28:31.930 --> 00:28:35.250
comedy is our our dramas uh for the most part

00:28:35.250 --> 00:28:40.509
uh a couple romantic comedies um or just fucking

00:28:40.509 --> 00:28:43.529
weird like kind of yeah they're kind of dark

00:28:43.529 --> 00:28:46.500
comedy Yeah, it kind of fits for him. It makes

00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:48.619
sense that that's the route that he ended up

00:28:48.619 --> 00:28:50.500
going for comedy. Yeah, he's definitely got a

00:28:50.500 --> 00:28:53.640
dark comedy face. Like it's not a Seinfeld face.

00:28:54.619 --> 00:28:57.220
But it's it's definitely a face that when it

00:28:57.220 --> 00:29:00.660
says something funny. Or when something sad happens

00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:04.519
to it, it's also funny. Yeah, I like that. Yeah,

00:29:04.579 --> 00:29:07.819
I think that's why we get along. Because I have

00:29:07.819 --> 00:29:11.240
a sad, funny face. It's the nicest thing you've

00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:18.319
ever said to me. But, I mean, this clearly deserved

00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:21.039
to be categorized as the best comedy because

00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:26.000
it's the funniest. Well, it's funny because it

00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.220
was actually, it was a number two seed, which

00:29:28.220 --> 00:29:30.299
I'm trying to look back at what was our number

00:29:30.299 --> 00:29:36.720
one seed in comedy. Adaptation. Adaptation. We

00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.460
were so much younger then. All right, so caginess

00:29:40.460 --> 00:29:44.859
on this one is way easier to diagnose. Yes, it's

00:29:44.859 --> 00:29:48.400
a very good amount of caginess. The only thing

00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.480
I think that holds back. Like really giving it

00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:57.519
like a. Top accolades is the fact that it was

00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:04.299
more of a Cohen decision than Nicolas Cage decisions.

00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.420
It is a very like the character, like my notes

00:30:07.420 --> 00:30:12.079
I wrote down that, you know. it is a very monotone

00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.359
even character for the most part which works

00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:17.380
for a coen brothers film like this is very much

00:30:17.380 --> 00:30:20.299
a coen brothers character it's yeah it's you

00:30:20.299 --> 00:30:23.220
know he is the straight man in this movie for

00:30:23.220 --> 00:30:26.880
the most part like you he has his moments uh

00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.720
when he starts driving by uh convenience stores

00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:32.579
that aren't even on the way home like he's got

00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:35.779
some amazing lines um i was thinking about the

00:30:35.779 --> 00:30:37.440
scene when they're trying to take the picture

00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.230
on the couch he just we're fitting a pop here

00:30:40.230 --> 00:30:43.829
but it's about to go trying to get her attention

00:30:43.829 --> 00:30:47.049
get her focused on it and it's like he is you're

00:30:47.049 --> 00:30:49.750
right he's he's pretty like monotone one level

00:30:49.750 --> 00:30:51.329
but there's all these things that are sort of

00:30:51.329 --> 00:30:53.650
like bubbling under the surface that yeah you

00:30:53.650 --> 00:30:55.250
know you see there's that one scene where he

00:30:55.250 --> 00:30:56.730
like i can't remember what it was but he just

00:30:56.730 --> 00:31:00.109
like gnashes his teeth like i don't remember

00:31:00.109 --> 00:31:03.029
what makes him do that but this is this is something

00:31:03.029 --> 00:31:04.750
i did want to get into later but i mean we can

00:31:04.750 --> 00:31:07.420
talk about it with all the films is These four

00:31:07.420 --> 00:31:11.240
films specifically really show how great of a

00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.440
physical actor he is. And that's something I

00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.539
don't think people ever talk about. People also

00:31:16.539 --> 00:31:18.940
don't watch all of his movies in the course of

00:31:18.940 --> 00:31:24.500
like eight months. That's fair. Yeah. But like

00:31:24.500 --> 00:31:28.380
he's he's got such a great like physical presence

00:31:28.380 --> 00:31:32.779
and control. in his acting and like even when

00:31:32.779 --> 00:31:34.819
he has a more sedate character he still brings

00:31:34.819 --> 00:31:41.599
so much that character just by how he moves what

00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.759
i'm saying is nick cage is a great actor yeah

00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.299
exactly no i mean i think it shows through on

00:31:47.299 --> 00:31:49.460
this one for sure it is interesting that he did

00:31:49.460 --> 00:31:51.640
have like the issues with the coens and didn't

00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.660
like their directing or not that it's that they

00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:57.319
didn't want him to do what he wanted to do which

00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.430
at that point in his career like Kind of everyone

00:32:00.430 --> 00:32:02.509
was just letting him do it. You know, he had

00:32:02.509 --> 00:32:04.329
been in Peggy Sue where he got to be the crazy,

00:32:04.390 --> 00:32:07.250
you know, Muppet voiced. Well, he was in Peggy

00:32:07.250 --> 00:32:09.329
Sue directed by his uncle. By his uncle, right.

00:32:09.609 --> 00:32:12.150
He was in Valley Girl where he was like, you

00:32:12.150 --> 00:32:14.029
know, the beefcake. But he got to be weird in

00:32:14.029 --> 00:32:17.910
that, you know. As a total unknown. That was

00:32:17.910 --> 00:32:20.589
his first name or first film under the name of

00:32:20.589 --> 00:32:23.869
Cage. So, I mean, it's interesting because he'd

00:32:23.869 --> 00:32:27.599
been given some leeway. Or was granted some leeway

00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.140
because he just forced the hands. Yeah. And then

00:32:30.140 --> 00:32:31.920
to get into a situation where the directors were

00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:36.579
like, no, we need this from you. Yeah. And that's

00:32:36.579 --> 00:32:38.440
a pretty big thing from the Coen. Sorry, Sean.

00:32:38.980 --> 00:32:42.019
When that's like their second film. For sure.

00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.019
So I mean, not just their second. I mean, yes,

00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:46.440
it is just that it is their second film. But

00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:50.940
those the Coen brothers. I mean, that is. Has

00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:55.019
grown to continue to be kind of their. flavor

00:32:55.019 --> 00:32:59.099
of acting they i totally seem like such meticulous

00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:02.180
uh directors who want who have a very specific

00:33:02.180 --> 00:33:04.819
vision and that's awesome but when you have an

00:33:04.819 --> 00:33:08.380
actor who likes to make a lot of decisions like

00:33:08.380 --> 00:33:11.619
in front of the camera um i could see that being

00:33:11.619 --> 00:33:14.960
a personality clash um yeah because yeah nick

00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.900
cage likes to leave it all on the fucking floor

00:33:17.900 --> 00:33:23.039
and i can see That pairing being one where he'd

00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.660
have to restrain himself a lot, which is not

00:33:25.660 --> 00:33:28.940
something that we've ever heard he likes to do.

00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:35.359
Yeah. You know, he just wants to explore the

00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:39.640
the human condition. Yeah, there you go. In all

00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.180
of its various facets. Usually with a very high

00:33:43.180 --> 00:33:46.819
nasally voice. Yeah. You know what? It's because

00:33:46.819 --> 00:33:49.180
people with high nasally voices are actually

00:33:49.180 --> 00:33:53.289
living the best life. so sorry about it yeah

00:33:53.289 --> 00:34:02.130
but yeah um so we've made it it's it's a you

00:34:02.130 --> 00:34:08.150
know highly uh eccentric film he gives a really

00:34:08.150 --> 00:34:15.789
great performance of it um a lot of that is definitely

00:34:15.789 --> 00:34:23.300
due in part to the coens but is in no way detracting

00:34:23.300 --> 00:34:27.300
yeah subtracting from what he provided so it's

00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:29.900
just you know i think one of his strengths in

00:34:29.900 --> 00:34:33.320
this and in most stuff but like in this is he

00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:37.579
does have a very i guess this just goes back

00:34:37.579 --> 00:34:39.300
to his physical acting but he can disappear into

00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:42.420
a role really well like even when you see like

00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:47.059
see that it's nicholas cage like the way he holds

00:34:47.059 --> 00:34:50.340
his face the way he moves like he he doesn't

00:34:50.809 --> 00:34:55.150
no two movies outside of like the cheap um doing

00:34:55.150 --> 00:34:58.389
for tax purposes stuff like he does embody those

00:34:58.389 --> 00:35:00.730
characters really well and kind of you forget

00:35:00.730 --> 00:35:02.329
you're watching you can forget you're watching

00:35:02.329 --> 00:35:05.010
nick cage a lot of the time whereas like a george

00:35:05.010 --> 00:35:07.309
clooney i'm like that's george fucking clooney

00:35:07.309 --> 00:35:10.530
yeah he when he's passionate about a role he

00:35:10.530 --> 00:35:14.730
he's on and yeah um this you know he gave a great

00:35:14.730 --> 00:35:18.489
performance uh you know be it directed into this

00:35:18.489 --> 00:35:21.079
performance or not like He nailed it, man. He's

00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:24.420
consistently the character. He is H .I. McDonough.

00:35:24.699 --> 00:35:32.900
It's his best talking work. Accent work, I think

00:35:32.900 --> 00:35:37.739
we've seen. It's his best wordy talks. Yeah,

00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:41.360
outside of Boston Cop in Sorcerer's Apprentice.

00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:47.340
It's his best accent. In terms of like theme.

00:35:50.250 --> 00:35:52.250
You know, there is some talk about, you know,

00:35:52.250 --> 00:35:57.510
there's something to be read in here about. No,

00:35:57.590 --> 00:35:59.929
my brain is gone now. I'm falling asleep. That's

00:35:59.929 --> 00:36:03.889
OK. We also jumped the originality. Oh, yeah.

00:36:03.969 --> 00:36:06.630
Factor, which we didn't talk about with Con Air

00:36:06.630 --> 00:36:09.809
either, but it's a prison escape film. So we've

00:36:09.809 --> 00:36:12.989
had those before. It's a 90s action film starring

00:36:12.989 --> 00:36:15.769
Nicolas Cage. Yeah. the original arizona does

00:36:15.769 --> 00:36:18.269
have kind of its own originality it's not i mean

00:36:18.269 --> 00:36:21.289
it's it's a heist it's the you know people wanting

00:36:21.289 --> 00:36:23.269
a baby all those kinds of good comedy of errors

00:36:23.269 --> 00:36:27.550
um it's a heist film uh just the instead of money

00:36:27.550 --> 00:36:30.409
it's a baby um yeah but then the baby's worth

00:36:30.409 --> 00:36:35.329
not a large amount of money even for like the

00:36:35.329 --> 00:36:39.289
time like yeah i'm like fucking uh nathan arizona's

00:36:39.289 --> 00:36:41.829
lowballing that baby well he's a businessman

00:36:41.829 --> 00:36:46.230
he's shrewd He also has like a store selling

00:36:46.230 --> 00:36:48.710
unpainted furniture. I don't think he's like

00:36:48.710 --> 00:36:52.070
everyone in it, as we might hope. But they have

00:36:52.070 --> 00:36:55.429
a fountain. They I mean, you want a fountain?

00:36:55.530 --> 00:37:00.010
I could get you a fountain. Maybe. But it's when

00:37:00.010 --> 00:37:03.070
I was looking at this, I was like, well, how

00:37:03.070 --> 00:37:05.530
many how many films are out there about people

00:37:05.530 --> 00:37:08.949
stealing babies? And I was like, film like this

00:37:08.949 --> 00:37:13.679
is me Googling film. Couple steals baby. uh this

00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.280
movie didn't even show up in like the top whoa

00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.900
like two pages of google what were the top movies

00:37:20.900 --> 00:37:24.719
it's all horror films oh so like in terms of

00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.420
horror and thrillers and it's like oh okay well

00:37:27.420 --> 00:37:32.460
i mean the activity exists in film but in a comedic

00:37:32.460 --> 00:37:35.159
sense it's less prevalent what was that william

00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:38.300
brothers movie was that little man does that

00:37:38.300 --> 00:37:42.030
count I don't think any Wayans brother movie

00:37:42.030 --> 00:37:46.590
counts as a comedy. Fucking Blank Man is a classic.

00:37:47.369 --> 00:37:53.510
Blank Man. I will say, like, I think for the

00:37:53.510 --> 00:37:55.869
time and for the Coen brothers career, like,

00:37:55.929 --> 00:37:59.130
yeah, this is this is this is a huge thing. This

00:37:59.130 --> 00:38:01.889
is a huge movie. This is something we people

00:38:01.889 --> 00:38:05.320
I don't think have really seen before. And I

00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.619
think within the scope of the rest of their work,

00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:09.599
it does inform pretty much everything going on

00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:16.320
from here and maybe isn't as original now. But

00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:21.219
for the time. It's it's a standout. It definitely

00:38:21.219 --> 00:38:27.840
stands out. In the world of like comedy and especially

00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:34.340
in the Coen brothers. Not discography, but filmography.

00:38:34.780 --> 00:38:36.739
Yeah. Case in point, everything that came after

00:38:36.739 --> 00:38:40.900
this. Right. Yeah. So that, that is very true.

00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:44.579
And, you know, moving on, you know, it, it fucking

00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:49.139
crushed what it did. Like it, it was a terrific

00:38:49.139 --> 00:38:52.099
cup. That was a weak ass bird. Was that you?

00:38:52.219 --> 00:38:56.599
Or was that taco? Did taco just die? I had a

00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:59.599
shrimp burrito. That's not coming up. Great.

00:38:59.659 --> 00:39:07.789
Just one shrimp burrito. I could go for some

00:39:07.789 --> 00:39:10.849
more shrimp now. Peter, when are we shrimping

00:39:10.849 --> 00:39:13.750
again? I got to come down to Portland. Let's

00:39:13.750 --> 00:39:15.630
shrimp it up. Oh, we shrimping? We sucking toes?

00:39:15.750 --> 00:39:17.969
We shrimping, baby. Come on, boys. Yeah, I got

00:39:17.969 --> 00:39:23.130
into it now. I came around to it. Nice. You been

00:39:23.130 --> 00:39:26.550
hanging out with dancers? Oh, God. Get some of

00:39:26.550 --> 00:39:32.269
them ballet toes. Sick. Fuck. I hate it. They're

00:39:32.269 --> 00:39:33.909
so tiny. They're tiny. You need a bunch in there.

00:39:34.780 --> 00:39:36.800
Well, they're tiny because they're all impacted.

00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.380
I was thinking about like Sergeant Hatred from

00:39:39.380 --> 00:39:41.440
the Venture Brothers and how he loves Princess

00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:47.699
Tiny Feet or whatever. Yeah. Let's not talk about

00:39:47.699 --> 00:39:49.679
Sergeant Hatred on this podcast, please. Yeah,

00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.039
fair enough. He's problematic. So, I mean, at

00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.619
this point, it feels like you guys kind of don't

00:39:56.619 --> 00:39:59.260
have more to say on this one, unless you really

00:39:59.260 --> 00:40:03.130
want to put a button on it. um i mean if like

00:40:03.130 --> 00:40:06.710
if there's a theme in here it's about like you

00:40:06.710 --> 00:40:12.090
know personal redemption like hi and um and you

00:40:12.090 --> 00:40:15.869
know get together at kind of their lowest and

00:40:15.869 --> 00:40:18.949
keep kind of getting lower until you know they

00:40:18.949 --> 00:40:21.489
have to grow up like there's an arc here they

00:40:21.489 --> 00:40:24.409
you know they go on a journey and they become

00:40:24.409 --> 00:40:28.389
better people for each other and just as people

00:40:28.389 --> 00:40:31.539
at the end of this i mean even um John Goodman

00:40:31.539 --> 00:40:36.380
and. And Forsythe, like even at the end of this,

00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.860
like this, having met this baby, decide that

00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:43.440
they're not ready to be free, that, you know,

00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.800
they still have to like. Change themselves and

00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:52.000
return themselves to prison. Through that same

00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:56.679
poop hole. Yeah. And babies don't fix relationships.

00:40:57.699 --> 00:40:59.539
You think any other prisoners got out through

00:40:59.539 --> 00:41:01.920
the poop hole? I mean, it seemed like a pretty

00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.739
well -manned poop hole at that point, but. Yeah,

00:41:04.860 --> 00:41:08.820
I think there were eyes on that poop hole. I

00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:11.980
just hate the sliminess of that mud when it's

00:41:11.980 --> 00:41:14.480
in his mouth and it just looks like. It's so

00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.900
gross. Yeah, that's not all poop. I love that

00:41:17.900 --> 00:41:20.360
the first thing they do is just go fucking use

00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:24.360
a whole can of pomade. Absolutely. Those guys

00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:29.019
know how to fuck for sure. Yeah. Are we are we

00:41:29.019 --> 00:41:31.719
doing this? Yeah, let's I think let's make it

00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.400
make a choice and let's. Raising Arizona. I mean,

00:41:37.460 --> 00:41:42.159
Raising Arizona definitely has. My vote on this

00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:47.139
one, too. Yeah, it's. Clearly. I think just a.

00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:52.539
A superior, superior film to watch now. It has

00:41:52.539 --> 00:41:55.039
it has more to say. Anybody who wants to watch

00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:58.659
an action film. fucking watch con air that one's

00:41:58.659 --> 00:42:00.920
going on me so much just don't watch anything

00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.960
else any like i mean any of these final four

00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.119
movies go watch like we're not absolutely whatever

00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.519
goes forward from this point on like all of these

00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:15.780
movies are fucking great yep i agree raising

00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:22.219
arizona boom love it we got it so pig pig pig

00:42:22.219 --> 00:42:27.420
bill I fucking love this movie. I do, too, man.

00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.820
Every time I put this on, I'm like, I so I had

00:42:31.820 --> 00:42:34.960
one of my new friends over last week to watch

00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.340
a Nick Cage film. Humblebrag. I thought I would.

00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:42.599
Yeah, that's right. I have a friend, but I my

00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:46.340
my plan was to be like an asterisk asterisk on

00:42:46.340 --> 00:42:49.349
that until we see them. But that's fine. My plan

00:42:49.349 --> 00:42:51.429
was I'm going to introduce I'm going to introduce

00:42:51.429 --> 00:42:53.510
my new friend to Vampire's Kiss. We're going

00:42:53.510 --> 00:42:55.809
to we're going to test this friendship out the

00:42:55.809 --> 00:42:59.809
gate. And of the four movies, I could suggest

00:42:59.809 --> 00:43:03.190
the only one he'd seen was Vampire's Kiss. No.

00:43:04.409 --> 00:43:06.469
And I'm like, all right, we're friends. Let's

00:43:06.469 --> 00:43:10.829
watch Pig. And we did. And he absolutely loved

00:43:10.829 --> 00:43:17.530
it. Yeah. So Pig. It's about a man who doesn't

00:43:17.530 --> 00:43:22.380
fuck his pig. Yeah. It's true. He likes cast

00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:29.780
iron and cold baths. Yeah, a nice river bath.

00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:36.679
A good quality hobo glove. Takes me back to high

00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:40.980
school. D cell batteries. Yep. Were those D's

00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:45.840
or C's? Probably C's. Yeah. The sweet smell of

00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.289
cassette tape. uh when we get back into the the

00:43:49.289 --> 00:43:53.670
conversation here um again it's just like con

00:43:53.670 --> 00:43:59.130
air it does not have a cagey performance uh if

00:43:59.130 --> 00:44:01.909
you wanted to stretch it there's one moment where

00:44:01.909 --> 00:44:05.730
he yells at a guy and steals his bike oh i would

00:44:05.730 --> 00:44:09.309
say there is the breakdown at the end it's silent

00:44:09.309 --> 00:44:12.429
but like again physical acting like you i don't

00:44:12.429 --> 00:44:15.309
think there's fucking agony there i wouldn't

00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:17.860
argue that that's a cagey moment i would say

00:44:17.860 --> 00:44:19.960
that that's an emotional performance moment good

00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:24.539
acting moment yeah okay which is a whole separate

00:44:24.539 --> 00:44:29.579
category of our conversation yeah no i mean this

00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:33.320
is i mean this is him disappearing into a role

00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:36.300
this is him becoming robin feld like this for

00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:39.840
sure yes you know he describes this as his favorite

00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.559
film this is one of his best roles robin feld

00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:49.360
just isn't a freak out character in my opinion

00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.320
yeah yeah as far as like his acting and everything

00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:57.900
goes spot on it's beautiful um i mean we could

00:44:57.900 --> 00:45:00.039
just move right into performance he does a great

00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:09.280
job um everything he does he does terrifically

00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:12.880
there's a lot of this film where he doesn't do

00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:17.329
stuff like he i mean it's not like con air where

00:45:17.329 --> 00:45:20.389
he's just along for the ride but he is such a

00:45:20.389 --> 00:45:25.429
like placid like driven character that he also

00:45:25.429 --> 00:45:30.329
just doesn't speak a lot so it's it's all on

00:45:30.329 --> 00:45:35.969
him to yeah like convey that with his body language

00:45:35.969 --> 00:45:38.449
yeah the nuance of that is pretty impressive

00:45:38.449 --> 00:45:41.789
which is great i mean just scenes off the top

00:45:41.789 --> 00:45:46.099
of my head that are just purely physical is when

00:45:46.099 --> 00:45:48.659
he goes in with when he goes into the tent with

00:45:48.659 --> 00:45:52.480
the dumplings and he just like he just walks

00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.659
in and just like or when he get, you know, when

00:45:55.659 --> 00:45:59.139
he's writing his name on the on the cardboard

00:45:59.139 --> 00:46:02.059
and just commanding the room, just like the way

00:46:02.059 --> 00:46:08.380
he moves in this just. It's. Everything about

00:46:08.380 --> 00:46:11.320
it is so powerful. Yeah, it's a very top performance

00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:17.659
kind of performance. role for him. Just don't

00:46:17.659 --> 00:46:22.679
expect monologues to drive that performance.

00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:27.440
It's just not that film. He's not a loquacious

00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:31.000
character. It's a very naturalistic performance

00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.679
and a very naturalistic film. The conversations

00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:41.000
seem quite real. It doesn't play so much as a

00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:44.570
performance a lot of the time. I would say some

00:46:44.570 --> 00:46:47.070
of the conversations feel pretty scripted, especially

00:46:47.070 --> 00:46:53.389
like his takedowns. But it's not scripted bad.

00:46:53.570 --> 00:46:56.050
It's just like, oh, you know, clearly somebody

00:46:56.050 --> 00:46:59.170
wrote this. It's not the hermit from the woods.

00:47:00.070 --> 00:47:04.110
Just having these well thought out. But that's

00:47:04.110 --> 00:47:07.210
not who he is. That's the only reason those takedowns

00:47:07.210 --> 00:47:10.849
work is because he did command something. Yes.

00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:17.780
You know, I'm not saying that he. Isn't a commanding

00:47:17.780 --> 00:47:22.760
presence, but conversations and stuff like that

00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.900
don't just flow off smoothly, especially when

00:47:24.900 --> 00:47:26.559
you've been living in the woods for 15 years.

00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:32.199
Fair enough. So it's terrifically written. It's

00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:36.739
terrifically acted. It's, you know, just also.

00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:43.489
Not. the slice of reality but it's no but you're

00:47:43.489 --> 00:47:45.230
saying like there's no monologues and that's

00:47:45.230 --> 00:47:48.010
what i'm talking about like there's conversations

00:47:48.010 --> 00:47:53.550
i'm no yes i'm these are different points but

00:47:53.550 --> 00:47:57.250
yes do you want to talk about the story like

00:47:57.250 --> 00:48:01.250
originality of the story is that next yeah i

00:48:01.250 --> 00:48:03.969
mean we might as well it's on the docket i guess

00:48:03.969 --> 00:48:08.429
i mean this is clearly a very personal film to

00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.599
the director and writer. I'm still amazing. That's

00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:16.159
the first time likes no director. Um, I absolutely

00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:20.659
love how much like suspense this movie can build.

00:48:20.739 --> 00:48:23.280
Um, and how much it gets you to care about, like,

00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.360
there's this big mystery about who is he. And

00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.300
ultimately it's no one we would know about as

00:48:29.300 --> 00:48:32.980
viewers, but the film does such a great job of

00:48:32.980 --> 00:48:36.659
building up this legend that Robin felt. It's

00:48:36.659 --> 00:48:40.530
like, that means nothing to the viewer but just

00:48:40.530 --> 00:48:42.610
the way it's portrayed in this movie and treated

00:48:42.610 --> 00:48:46.829
it's like that's powerful and that it still feels

00:48:46.829 --> 00:48:50.309
like a reveal even if you don't know who that

00:48:50.309 --> 00:48:53.789
is yeah well i mean robin felt's not a real person

00:48:53.789 --> 00:48:56.889
so far as i can tell it's but in the world of

00:48:56.889 --> 00:49:02.789
the film yeah he was a big deal and um this film

00:49:02.789 --> 00:49:05.730
for just like a 90 minute film does a great job

00:49:05.730 --> 00:49:11.349
of packing all of that in uh in terms of like

00:49:11.349 --> 00:49:17.030
originality yeah i mean higher than normal uh

00:49:17.030 --> 00:49:19.329
somebody took something from somebody and they

00:49:19.329 --> 00:49:23.789
want it back uh i remember when the trailers

00:49:23.789 --> 00:49:26.949
for this came out everybody was like oh it's

00:49:26.949 --> 00:49:32.150
nicholas cage but it's like uh john wick but

00:49:32.150 --> 00:49:35.750
with a pig clearly it's not that not even sort

00:49:35.750 --> 00:49:40.639
of But. But it's still like has it still has

00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:42.199
that suspense. I mean, we've watched it enough

00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:44.000
times now where, you know, he's not going to

00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.679
go fucking ham at any point. But my first time

00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:48.239
watching through when he's sitting with his dad,

00:49:48.380 --> 00:49:54.239
I'm like, this could go badly. Yeah, for for

00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:59.079
a completely. I'm saying actionless, but I'm

00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.659
just saying, like, there are no fights aside

00:50:01.659 --> 00:50:06.789
from him getting punched up in a basement. Yeah,

00:50:06.849 --> 00:50:11.329
it doesn't have your more traditional conflict

00:50:11.329 --> 00:50:16.010
for what we would think when we originally set

00:50:16.010 --> 00:50:21.150
out to watch this film. But yeah, you know, it's

00:50:21.150 --> 00:50:26.909
a I think it's a fairly. Solid story that, you

00:50:26.909 --> 00:50:30.519
know, we just hadn't explored before. It has

00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.920
elements that are shared, but I mean, fucking

00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.059
everything has elements. Yeah. It's hard to come

00:50:35.059 --> 00:50:37.119
up with something that is truly original at this

00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.679
point, but so this, this does a good job of stepping

00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.340
away from all of the previous, like who stole

00:50:44.340 --> 00:50:48.559
it, give it backs. Yeah. In having a rel like,

00:50:48.659 --> 00:50:51.639
I think this cage doesn't throw a fucking punch

00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:56.619
in the whole film physically. Right. So for a

00:50:56.619 --> 00:51:01.679
protagonist to get through it. peaceably great

00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:06.119
i like to see that i mean i think where this

00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.260
movie really succeeds is i mean what we're going

00:51:08.260 --> 00:51:10.219
to talk about next is its theme and its effectiveness

00:51:10.219 --> 00:51:15.900
of telling that story because you know fucking

00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:19.239
pig's a metaphor it's about you know him like

00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:21.420
i was thinking about the while writing my notes

00:51:21.420 --> 00:51:22.719
for this i was thinking about one of his last

00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:24.800
lines in the film when he's with the mirror in

00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:28.059
the diner and he says like if i never went looking

00:51:28.059 --> 00:51:33.389
for her In my mind, she'd still be there. Could

00:51:33.389 --> 00:51:34.849
be talking about a pig. Could be talking about

00:51:34.849 --> 00:51:38.170
the life he left in Portland. At the beginning

00:51:38.170 --> 00:51:41.389
of this film, he cannot listen to the tape of

00:51:41.389 --> 00:51:44.989
his wife. It's too much. Somewhere in his mind,

00:51:45.090 --> 00:51:50.210
his wife died, he left. But the place he left,

00:51:50.369 --> 00:51:53.130
the world he left, in his mind, still lived there.

00:51:53.570 --> 00:51:56.590
Some part of her was still there. That's gone

00:51:56.590 --> 00:52:01.230
now. The restaurant's gone. Yeah, like the persimmon

00:52:01.230 --> 00:52:04.590
tree, you know, his home has new people living

00:52:04.590 --> 00:52:08.650
in it. Like everything he left is gone. And the

00:52:08.650 --> 00:52:11.670
last connection he has to his wife outside his

00:52:11.670 --> 00:52:16.010
memories are gone until and at the end he gets

00:52:16.010 --> 00:52:18.570
home. He finally puts on that tape like this

00:52:18.570 --> 00:52:23.889
does like such there's it's so effective in like

00:52:23.889 --> 00:52:26.170
telling that story and watching that growth and

00:52:26.170 --> 00:52:30.239
seeing his journey throughout. also mirrored

00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.840
with amir's father who also lost his wife and

00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.400
is trying to hold on to that but in a much more

00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:40.400
aggressive way it's he's not trying to ignore

00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:44.039
his hurt he's not trying to just keep the memory

00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:46.900
he's trying to keep her at the loss of everything

00:52:46.900 --> 00:52:50.380
else in his life like this is such a powerful

00:52:50.380 --> 00:52:53.519
film and i just i can't get enough of it every

00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:57.309
time i watch it i get like more from it I don't

00:52:57.309 --> 00:52:59.230
know much to add to that. I mean, honestly, it's

00:52:59.230 --> 00:53:00.869
like every time I put this movie on, I have a

00:53:00.869 --> 00:53:04.510
very good emotional response to it. It's like

00:53:04.510 --> 00:53:08.230
it makes me sad. It makes me happy. I feel things

00:53:08.230 --> 00:53:10.949
when I watch it. It's filmed beautifully. It's

00:53:10.949 --> 00:53:13.010
directed well. The script is great. Performance,

00:53:13.210 --> 00:53:17.489
I think, is very solid. There's not a ton to

00:53:17.489 --> 00:53:22.809
praise or critique on his performance because

00:53:22.809 --> 00:53:26.760
it is the character is made to be. medium you

00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:30.380
know because he's coasting um so it is fitting

00:53:30.380 --> 00:53:35.760
what this you know what the task was certainly

00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:40.320
but yeah all right let's table that one for right

00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:44.059
now yeah let's talk about the craziest fucking

00:53:44.059 --> 00:53:48.159
movie that we have in the bracket yeah i mean

00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:51.760
fucking if you've seen a nick cage meme you've

00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.579
seen this one fucking for sure yeah i described

00:53:55.579 --> 00:53:58.039
this movie to people the other i was trying to

00:53:58.039 --> 00:53:59.800
describe this movie to people and like they're

00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:01.840
asking me about uh the time this came out like

00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:03.679
it's like which nick cage movie is it and i just

00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:06.239
did the fucking bug eyes and they're like oh

00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:12.199
like ah that one i know that yeah yeah exactly

00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:16.900
like you've seen this one an iconic performance

00:54:16.900 --> 00:54:24.510
by mr cage uh definitely the one that like defines

00:54:24.510 --> 00:54:29.949
or epitomizes caginess caginess like yeah this

00:54:29.949 --> 00:54:33.769
is turned to 11 where yeah this is where it was

00:54:33.769 --> 00:54:37.269
born uh like there were others before it but

00:54:37.269 --> 00:54:42.090
this is its final form this is i mean this was

00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:44.670
his testing ground right like he got to try truly

00:54:44.670 --> 00:54:46.789
anything because the director was just like I

00:54:46.789 --> 00:54:49.590
don't know, whatever. Yeah. Nobody will probably

00:54:49.590 --> 00:54:52.690
ever watch this. So do your thing, brother. Yeah,

00:54:52.809 --> 00:54:55.170
this is these were my notes for Cajuness turned

00:54:55.170 --> 00:54:57.590
up to 11. Really fucking goes for it. Does it

00:54:57.590 --> 00:55:02.090
work? Yes. Yeah. And, you know, that was right

00:55:02.090 --> 00:55:04.309
into the performance because he could have done

00:55:04.309 --> 00:55:09.190
all of that and not earned it with the rest of

00:55:09.190 --> 00:55:13.590
the film. But my God, like holding this movie

00:55:13.590 --> 00:55:17.739
together. With all that other like fucking bizarre

00:55:17.739 --> 00:55:23.179
shit that he does. And making it work like the

00:55:23.179 --> 00:55:28.079
character. He doesn't lose Peter Lowe. No. And

00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.340
I think that's what's just wild to me is like.

00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:37.159
When he's fucking eating bugs or catching pigeons

00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:40.139
or losing himself in the mirror, you know, all

00:55:40.139 --> 00:55:41.900
that kind of shit. Talking about being horny

00:55:41.900 --> 00:55:47.389
from bats. It's. It's like, oh, yeah, this tracks.

00:55:47.469 --> 00:55:51.289
It is. Yeah, it is a like we were talking about

00:55:51.289 --> 00:55:54.550
with Raising Arizona. Nicolas Cage likes to make

00:55:54.550 --> 00:55:56.449
choices and he makes a lot of choices in this

00:55:56.449 --> 00:56:00.110
film. This is all choice. This is all choice.

00:56:00.250 --> 00:56:04.969
He walks off stage left like a kitty cat. Yeah,

00:56:05.090 --> 00:56:08.909
he crawls off stage. Yeah. In that regard, though.

00:56:10.510 --> 00:56:13.010
It's the old like that. That performance is the

00:56:13.010 --> 00:56:15.860
only thing that keeps this movie together. I

00:56:15.860 --> 00:56:19.460
agree. I think that the movie in general is thin.

00:56:19.699 --> 00:56:22.860
I think the concept is like a little fun and

00:56:22.860 --> 00:56:26.039
interesting, a little horny, but like there's

00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:28.900
not a ton of meat on that bone, right? Like if

00:56:28.900 --> 00:56:31.239
you didn't have this performance, this would

00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:35.559
be like the tiniest footnote in history. Like

00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:37.900
no one would think about it. No one would care.

00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.239
Yeah. Like Maria Conchita Alonso would be like,

00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:44.480
yeah, I did this one weird movie one time, you

00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:48.380
know? What else would anyone say about it? But

00:56:48.380 --> 00:56:52.639
because it's him at fucking 11, it is something.

00:56:52.699 --> 00:56:56.019
I mean, it is the movie. It is the movie. Exactly.

00:56:56.940 --> 00:57:00.860
But that means that the movie isn't much. It

00:57:00.860 --> 00:57:07.139
is the descent into madness. Sure. For a man.

00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:13.800
It is just an exploration of how, you know, these.

00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:18.719
big business like uh he's not in wall street

00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:22.199
but in sure that's sort of like giant white cult

00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:26.360
uh white collar culture uh especially in his

00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:30.239
middle management yeah just can beat a person

00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:35.099
down and drive them to lengths that they never

00:57:35.099 --> 00:57:39.800
would have expected uh and rabies yeah uh theoretically

00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:43.289
if he even ever got bit by the bat You fucked

00:57:43.289 --> 00:57:46.030
that bad. Yeah. Oh, well, and here's my thing

00:57:46.030 --> 00:57:49.369
going to like, this only works because of Nick

00:57:49.369 --> 00:57:52.130
Cage's performances. Everybody we've talked about

00:57:52.130 --> 00:57:55.150
this movie has had a completely different read

00:57:55.150 --> 00:57:59.809
on what the story was or wasn't. Like, it is

00:57:59.809 --> 00:58:04.750
not structured well. It is not told well. And

00:58:04.750 --> 00:58:08.909
if it weren't for this performance, like no other

00:58:08.909 --> 00:58:11.289
performance in this movie stands out as particularly

00:58:11.289 --> 00:58:17.639
good. They exist at about the same level as Nicolas

00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:21.119
Cage's performance if you stripped away the insanity.

00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:27.139
Exactly. If it was Nicolas Cage playing Peter

00:58:27.139 --> 00:58:30.460
Lowe with the same affectations but straight,

00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:33.880
that's about what you get from everybody else.

00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:39.760
But that's really not the point at hand. I mean,

00:58:39.780 --> 00:58:42.929
it is important, but... From Nicolas Cage's performance.

00:58:44.230 --> 00:58:46.829
Great performance. It's fucking nines, man. Yeah.

00:58:46.869 --> 00:58:49.909
So he crushes it. And, you know, like you said,

00:58:49.989 --> 00:58:54.050
he makes the movie. Yeah. He makes an entire

00:58:54.050 --> 00:59:01.110
film that has existed for 35 years ish. All movies

00:59:01.110 --> 00:59:05.090
have existed for an amount of time. It is culturally

00:59:05.090 --> 00:59:09.239
relevant. 35 years later. I don't know if that's

00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:12.559
true. You literally reference the meme every

00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:14.800
time we talk about it. That's cultural reference

00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:18.639
or relevance. Not in terms of like fucking a

00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.739
cinema, not in terms of a cinema. Meme culture

00:59:21.739 --> 00:59:25.599
in like high art, I would not put in the same,

00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:28.960
necessarily equate to the same thing. Well, that's

00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:30.579
the problem. We have to talk about movies like

00:59:30.579 --> 00:59:33.539
Pig versus Vampire's Kiss in this. So we had

00:59:33.539 --> 00:59:35.599
to break him down to the base. This is the weirdest

00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.679
one. I mean, it's the hardest challenge because

00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:40.380
they are very dissimilar movies, you know? Yeah.

00:59:40.860 --> 00:59:45.199
Like in Pig, he is put into a movie that is very

00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.900
good. Structurally, it's sound. Script, it's

00:59:47.900 --> 00:59:51.000
sound. Music is beautiful. Like everything is

00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:54.039
really well done. And he's also very good. And

00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:57.039
in Vampire's Kiss, he's in basically a bad movie

00:59:57.039 --> 00:59:59.980
that should be schlock and like chucked in a

00:59:59.980 --> 01:00:03.579
bin somewhere. He made it into something that

01:00:03.579 --> 01:00:07.139
isn't that. Yeah. Yeah. But I, I mean, I would

01:00:07.139 --> 01:00:10.980
also say, yes, Robin is not an, a crazy caricature,

01:00:10.980 --> 01:00:14.739
but that is an amazing role. And I don't know

01:00:14.739 --> 01:00:17.380
that necessarily anyone does it better than Nick

01:00:17.380 --> 01:00:20.400
Cage. Like he, I still say Nick Cage makes that

01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.719
movie as well. Well, we're going to have pig

01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:28.579
two with Rob Lowe. Oh, okay. So we've had Rob

01:00:28.579 --> 01:00:34.639
Highs and now Rob Lowe's. Fuck. So the originality

01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:39.840
of Vampire's Kiss. It's we do. I don't know.

01:00:39.860 --> 01:00:41.679
It's a it's a movie about a guy going insane.

01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:44.940
Yeah. And just kind of losing his grasp on reality.

01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:49.659
My kind read on the theme is, you know, middle

01:00:49.659 --> 01:00:52.860
management, like not going anywhere like but

01:00:52.860 --> 01:00:57.570
because he is. His ego can't allow him to just

01:00:57.570 --> 01:01:00.869
be middle management. So when he starts to lose

01:01:00.869 --> 01:01:03.429
it, he starts to he goes down that rabbit hole.

01:01:03.469 --> 01:01:05.389
It's like, well, clearly he has to be special.

01:01:05.449 --> 01:01:07.110
Clearly, there's something important about him.

01:01:07.570 --> 01:01:10.150
And that would normally manifest in like a massive

01:01:10.150 --> 01:01:13.969
ego or like an American psycho type situation.

01:01:14.210 --> 01:01:17.230
But for him, it's vampirism. But it's also important

01:01:17.230 --> 01:01:19.769
to think about, like, because you did bring it

01:01:19.769 --> 01:01:22.989
up, like Patrick Bateman could run because Nick

01:01:22.989 --> 01:01:26.139
Cage. walked this one you know or like started

01:01:26.139 --> 01:01:29.420
that that sprint like american psycho wouldn't

01:01:29.420 --> 01:01:32.440
exist in the way it does if not for something

01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:36.019
like this no it's pretty clearly informed the

01:01:36.019 --> 01:01:40.800
performance of uh christian bale uh and but you

01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:42.860
know in themes you know i'll i'll go with you

01:01:42.860 --> 01:01:45.639
there it's it's definitely themes of excess of

01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:54.940
abuse um the loss of touch with yourself uh in

01:01:54.940 --> 01:01:58.360
an attempt to live up to an ideal of others and

01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:02.579
also just like wanting more greed gluttony yeah

01:02:02.579 --> 01:02:08.079
so and america america yeah absolutely like this

01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:13.440
is capitalism and it's feeding off of the people

01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:18.400
that are supposedly building it up too so yeah

01:02:19.829 --> 01:02:22.090
I mean, this is this is the hardest one. This

01:02:22.090 --> 01:02:24.949
is the biggest challenge for us, right? I mean.

01:02:26.989 --> 01:02:31.130
I. I don't think it's a I think it's a fun movie.

01:02:31.650 --> 01:02:33.269
I'm glad I've watched it. I'm glad I've watched

01:02:33.269 --> 01:02:37.730
it a few times. I will watch it again. But it's

01:02:37.730 --> 01:02:41.250
not a good movie. It is. I'll hold on. I'll ask

01:02:41.250 --> 01:02:42.929
you a question real quick before you finish this

01:02:42.929 --> 01:02:46.909
thought. Which movie did you want to show your

01:02:46.909 --> 01:02:50.909
new friend out of all four movies when you first

01:02:50.909 --> 01:02:54.409
got them back to your place? It was Vampire's

01:02:54.409 --> 01:02:56.630
Kiss. You told us in the story ten minutes ago.

01:02:56.789 --> 01:02:59.070
I mean, no, I know. You chose that over all of

01:02:59.070 --> 01:03:01.510
them. Not because it's the best movie, because

01:03:01.510 --> 01:03:05.349
it's the weirdest movie. Well, part of this experiment

01:03:05.349 --> 01:03:09.489
is also not his best film because we left Academy

01:03:09.489 --> 01:03:12.710
Award winning Nicolas Cage back like two rounds

01:03:12.710 --> 01:03:16.989
ago. Yeah, but I mean, again, Robin Feld is an

01:03:16.989 --> 01:03:18.849
astounding character and Nick Cage does a great

01:03:18.849 --> 01:03:21.769
job with it. Again, it's the wackiness of Vampire's

01:03:21.769 --> 01:03:23.530
Kiss is what makes it. I don't think it's the

01:03:23.530 --> 01:03:25.250
better film and I don't necessarily think it's

01:03:25.250 --> 01:03:28.289
the better performance. It's the crazier performance,

01:03:28.489 --> 01:03:30.090
but I don't think it's the better performance.

01:03:30.909 --> 01:03:33.030
I'm going to take the opposite stance. I think

01:03:33.030 --> 01:03:37.750
Vampire's Kiss is the most informative of Nicolas

01:03:37.750 --> 01:03:44.550
Cage as a pop culture icon and as. uh like vampire's

01:03:44.550 --> 01:03:46.909
kiss was a springboard for his career i found

01:03:46.909 --> 01:03:49.389
the word it was springboard oh yeah not diving

01:03:49.389 --> 01:03:52.389
board yeah not a diving board of anxiety and

01:03:52.389 --> 01:03:57.769
hatred uh but a springboard for his career and

01:03:57.769 --> 01:04:03.869
it you know of the films i will throw in vampire's

01:04:03.869 --> 01:04:11.309
kiss in any mood it's a film that i could present

01:04:11.309 --> 01:04:15.829
to Somebody at any time. If I'm talking about

01:04:15.829 --> 01:04:19.909
like. Not even just between the two films. If

01:04:19.909 --> 01:04:23.269
I have to. Sit down with somebody to watch a

01:04:23.269 --> 01:04:30.190
Nicolas Cage film. It. It. It might be Con Air

01:04:30.190 --> 01:04:34.269
or Vampire's Kiss. Now, I'll I'll concede that

01:04:34.269 --> 01:04:37.750
Con Air is not going forward. This is where it

01:04:37.750 --> 01:04:40.809
comes down for me is I can't recommend Vampire's

01:04:40.809 --> 01:04:44.980
Kiss to just anyone. hmm like they're like i

01:04:44.980 --> 01:04:50.119
like i would do we did john do vampire's kiss

01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:54.119
did he watch this ever uh i think that john has

01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.079
watched vampire's kiss um but no we had lauren

01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:02.000
freeman on yeah one person i can't remember and

01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:03.539
uh i'm just using john as an example because

01:05:03.539 --> 01:05:05.739
john is always maintained he refuses to like

01:05:05.739 --> 01:05:11.440
indulge anything that is bad um But like, I know

01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.579
a lot of people who just wouldn't be interested

01:05:14.579 --> 01:05:19.119
in this movie for a lot of reasons and would

01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:22.039
never give it the chance it deserves. Like, this

01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:24.659
is a harder movie for me to recommend in most

01:05:24.659 --> 01:05:28.000
situations. Well, no, this isn't a bad movie,

01:05:28.179 --> 01:05:31.320
though. It is a bad movie. No, that's the problem.

01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:33.079
It's not a bad movie. And when we talk about

01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:36.199
it like it's a bad movie, it's just because we

01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:40.070
don't. like some of the surrounding elements

01:05:40.070 --> 01:05:41.909
of it. But when you look at the movie as a whole,

01:05:42.070 --> 01:05:46.710
it is, in my opinion, a very important piece

01:05:46.710 --> 01:05:49.309
of Nicolas Cage's filmography. And it's important

01:05:49.309 --> 01:05:52.269
for people to see it because it does reflect

01:05:52.269 --> 01:05:55.949
like what he was building up to before that.

01:05:56.030 --> 01:06:00.550
And it created so much more of his career. It

01:06:00.550 --> 01:06:02.250
doesn't it doesn't reflect anything, though.

01:06:02.289 --> 01:06:06.170
It's a vampire. Fair, but that only matters if

01:06:06.170 --> 01:06:09.230
someone cares about that arc of his career and

01:06:09.230 --> 01:06:13.869
not just a standalone film. Yeah, I don't know.

01:06:14.869 --> 01:06:19.010
This is going to be a Peter decision. I don't

01:06:19.010 --> 01:06:20.849
actually know that I am going to take that role.

01:06:21.610 --> 01:06:25.889
This is a really tough one because my feeling

01:06:25.889 --> 01:06:28.530
is that my favorite movie from this entire experience

01:06:28.530 --> 01:06:35.019
is Pig. So to have it lose. feels wrong do i

01:06:35.019 --> 01:06:39.639
think that nick has really valid arguments for

01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:42.659
vampire's kiss yes i watched it again tonight

01:06:42.659 --> 01:06:45.920
and it was fucking amazing i still really love

01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:51.900
that movie i i we're at a bit of an impasse because

01:06:51.900 --> 01:06:54.039
i don't want to just be like i pick you know

01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:57.119
i can tell you that i also did a poll from past

01:06:57.119 --> 01:06:59.940
guests who have seen both of these movies and

01:06:59.940 --> 01:07:04.889
pig Beat out Vampire's Kiss. Does that make a

01:07:04.889 --> 01:07:06.610
difference? I don't know. Like I could be swayed

01:07:06.610 --> 01:07:08.809
either way on these movies. It's really, really

01:07:08.809 --> 01:07:11.530
complicated and really challenging. I think that

01:07:11.530 --> 01:07:14.269
the themes around sexual assault and things like

01:07:14.269 --> 01:07:16.949
that in Vampire's Kiss make it not as approachable

01:07:16.949 --> 01:07:19.889
as something like Pig, which is basically just

01:07:19.889 --> 01:07:23.929
it's sad if you've lost somebody, which everyone

01:07:23.929 --> 01:07:31.429
kind of has. So. I think Vampire's Kiss is. without

01:07:31.429 --> 01:07:35.750
doubt one of his most unhinged wild over -the

01:07:35.750 --> 01:07:41.230
-top human crazy bananas whatever fucking performance

01:07:41.230 --> 01:07:43.250
that has ever existed he's never done it again

01:07:43.250 --> 01:07:47.550
he's never had the no boundaries you know opportunities

01:07:47.550 --> 01:07:52.469
to do it which makes it worth seeing no matter

01:07:52.469 --> 01:07:56.429
what like you have to you have to watch it and

01:07:56.429 --> 01:07:59.650
the stuff that's hard in it just It's it's a

01:07:59.650 --> 01:08:02.670
theme that you just have to accept in vampire

01:08:02.670 --> 01:08:05.969
films. Fair enough. And, you know, you think

01:08:05.969 --> 01:08:07.909
about American Psycho, like there's a lot of

01:08:07.909 --> 01:08:10.190
sexual assault in American Psycho, too. And that's

01:08:10.190 --> 01:08:14.329
regarded as, you know, a piece of cinema masterpiece

01:08:14.329 --> 01:08:16.890
or whatever, which I disagree with. But, you

01:08:16.890 --> 01:08:21.329
know, that's not the point. Candidly, will either

01:08:21.329 --> 01:08:24.270
of you concede one or the other? No, I'll give

01:08:24.270 --> 01:08:27.560
it to Pig. Pig's a phenomenal film. So I don't

01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:31.000
disagree with anything Nick says. I just I think

01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:35.060
the better we have that recording just loop it.

01:08:35.140 --> 01:08:37.239
Yeah, we're going to cut out all of this and

01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:39.920
we're just going to be like, I like Vampire's

01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:43.359
Kiss. I agree with everything Nick says. I just

01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:47.539
think everything about Pig is just so much better.

01:08:48.779 --> 01:08:54.399
OK. I like the the run up of Raising Arizona

01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:59.380
and Pig. I think it'll be a great. A great selection,

01:08:59.699 --> 01:09:03.100
you know. What if we just place Vampire's Kiss

01:09:03.100 --> 01:09:06.100
into Pig in the middle? Oh, we just fight club

01:09:06.100 --> 01:09:09.260
it. We just run long. Shoot scene. Like one or

01:09:09.260 --> 01:09:12.960
two frames every once in a while. No, I mean,

01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:15.760
like we've got a great, a great lineup here.

01:09:15.859 --> 01:09:19.479
And, you know, Vampire's Kiss made it all the

01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:23.159
way. despite and that's everything despite the

01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:26.460
mandys of it all despite fucking just uh wild

01:09:26.460 --> 01:09:29.460
at heart like it's it's so amazing this movie

01:09:29.460 --> 01:09:32.640
the movie is the weirdest of the weird is terrific

01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:35.840
from a nicholas cage standpoint i love it yeah

01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:38.600
this movie is fucking astounding it is a great

01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:42.880
film and i where i can i do recommend it yeah

01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:44.960
you know i'm gonna go back and i'm gonna say

01:09:45.579 --> 01:09:48.020
that guy on the airplane who caught me watching

01:09:48.020 --> 01:09:51.520
it said it's one of his favorite films too so

01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:55.079
it is great like good on you airplane guy who

01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:57.319
watched the movie over my shoulder without sound

01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:00.300
if we didn't if we didn't have to make a decision

01:10:00.300 --> 01:10:02.239
uh i wouldn't want to throw any of them away

01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:07.380
to be fair nothing's getting thrown away it all

01:10:07.380 --> 01:10:09.220
still exists and you can come to my house and

01:10:09.220 --> 01:10:11.680
watch it now you could also for the double header

01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:14.439
instead we can run everything at two times speed

01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:16.220
which is how i've watched most of these movies

01:10:16.220 --> 01:10:18.359
throughout this experience you're not even allowed

01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.859
to coordinate this now all right well i've been

01:10:21.859 --> 01:10:24.140
fired for this enjoy editing the episode you

01:10:24.140 --> 01:10:29.439
fuckers well it was that was a nice podcast we

01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:31.899
had there nick run who the patreon people are

01:10:34.300 --> 01:10:39.119
Bill. Oh, good. You got one. Nathan. Yeah, you

01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:42.619
got Nathan. Good. We are in one of their houses

01:10:42.619 --> 01:10:48.260
right now. John. No. You're not supposed to let

01:10:48.260 --> 01:10:51.039
them know. It's supposed to be a mystery. Like

01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:53.819
that time we recorded in Hayden's room. We've

01:10:53.819 --> 01:10:55.920
talked about that ad nauseum. I don't know that

01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:57.859
he's never he's never he's never questioned it.

01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:02.560
No, he hasn't. Which proves Hayden doesn't listen.

01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:06.640
Did the story of him not wiping ever make it

01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:11.039
onto the podcast? Yes. I'm almost positive it

01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:14.100
did. If not, I definitely have the raw audio

01:11:14.100 --> 01:11:16.500
of that. After he helped you move and he went

01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:18.520
to poop and he was like, that's from Nick. And

01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:20.100
you're like, I didn't bring toilet paper down

01:11:20.100 --> 01:11:25.640
yet. He's like. Quiet. Shit. That's how that

01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:29.229
went down. You know. You splash enough water

01:11:29.229 --> 01:11:32.630
on it and you're fine. That's why we wash hands,

01:11:32.810 --> 01:11:39.329
right? You okay there, Peter? I think I might

01:11:39.329 --> 01:11:41.989
have pneumonia right now. Oh, that's so good.

01:11:42.050 --> 01:11:44.569
I'm glad I'm here with you. You can't get pneumonia

01:11:44.569 --> 01:11:48.600
from me. Well, you don't know how I kiss. Yeah,

01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:51.460
when it gets deep, you can get there. I'm all

01:11:51.460 --> 01:11:53.180
the way down there. Now I'm just thinking about

01:11:53.180 --> 01:11:55.539
that fucking gif of the cherries on the tongue.

01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:57.579
Oh, I love that gif. It's your favorite, I know.

01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:02.560
But yeah, shit. So that's going to be a cool

01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:05.239
double header. We have to figure out what our

01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:07.460
sequencing is going to be, but I think that's

01:12:07.460 --> 01:12:10.060
going to be enjoyable for everybody. If you are

01:12:10.060 --> 01:12:11.939
interested in coming to that show, there are

01:12:11.939 --> 01:12:14.819
still tickets available. So reach out to me.

01:12:17.300 --> 01:12:19.039
But yeah, thank you all for listening. You have

01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:21.300
made it this far. And if this is your first episode,

01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:26.680
you're dumb. And if it's your 84th episode, you're

01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:30.779
also kind of dumb. But we love you more? I don't

01:12:30.779 --> 01:12:32.279
know. This is the only episode I'm going to suggest

01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:33.680
to people because it's the only one where we

01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:39.100
sound intelligent. Debatable. Yeah, you can find

01:12:39.100 --> 01:12:40.960
us on social media, cage underscore match underscore

01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:44.140
pod or on Patreon. If you want to support us

01:12:44.140 --> 01:12:48.220
at the end, the brain death of our podcast, why

01:12:48.220 --> 01:12:50.979
not? You can find us at Cage Match Pod or Cage

01:12:50.979 --> 01:12:54.119
Match. Cage Match. Yeah. And special thanks to

01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:56.340
our Sparkle Buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico,

01:12:56.460 --> 01:12:58.979
Matt, Adam, and Bill. And to our Cage Dancers,

01:12:59.100 --> 01:13:04.140
Ira, Sean, Freeman, Lance, Nathan, and Cameron.

01:13:04.979 --> 01:13:06.800
You fucked me up. You gave me an extra bill.

01:13:07.710 --> 01:13:11.170
I like how Nick didn't put didn't name drop Josie

01:13:11.170 --> 01:13:12.789
when we were trying to come up with like fucking

01:13:12.789 --> 01:13:15.090
patrons. Yeah, I know. Like one of our earliest

01:13:15.090 --> 01:13:17.390
patrons. What? We always say Bill's name like

01:13:17.390 --> 01:13:20.050
a thousand times. We do say a lot of Bill. Bill.

01:13:20.149 --> 01:13:23.050
Oh, I do have some. I do have some this week

01:13:23.050 --> 01:13:27.689
in cage news. Hit us. Well, it's Spider -Verse

01:13:27.689 --> 01:13:28.949
news, but he's going to be in the next Spider

01:13:28.949 --> 01:13:33.310
-Verse. We got a release date. Oh, 2027. Nice.

01:13:33.710 --> 01:13:36.590
That's a year. Yeah, that'll feel two years.

01:13:37.260 --> 01:13:40.279
It'll feel not that far away at some point. June

01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:45.720
2027. I'm like 83 % sure I can live that long.

01:13:47.340 --> 01:13:50.479
That's pretty good odds. Pretty good. I don't

01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:52.819
know. Fucking every day I watch the news, that

01:13:52.819 --> 01:13:56.699
number goes down a little bit. Yeah, you're not

01:13:56.699 --> 01:13:59.720
wrong. Yeah. I mean, you could still be alive,

01:13:59.920 --> 01:14:01.979
but you'll probably be in a different country

01:14:01.979 --> 01:14:05.720
at that point. And not because I want to be there

01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:08.939
because they sent me there. Yeah. God. I'm trying

01:14:08.939 --> 01:14:10.680
to stay the fuck out of the sun. I'm fucking,

01:14:10.699 --> 01:14:12.779
I'm not trying to fucking, I'm trying to be a

01:14:12.779 --> 01:14:14.720
day walker as much as possible these days. Get

01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:17.380
that really, really fucking thick sunscreen that

01:14:17.380 --> 01:14:19.460
I had. Oh yeah, that baby block. White face.

01:14:19.819 --> 01:14:23.359
Yeah. The dresses aren't helping, I will say.

01:14:24.220 --> 01:14:27.840
At least you're in Portland. Yeah. Go around

01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:33.000
with blood on your face. Or salsa. Ooh. Salsa

01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:37.829
face. It's been a long day. No shit. Get some

01:14:37.829 --> 01:14:41.710
sleep. You're fucking telling me. All right,

01:14:41.729 --> 01:14:51.670
let's turn this shit off. I love you guys. Bye.

01:14:51.770 --> 01:14:59.930
Bye. It says 6 -2, so, you know. Damn, he's a

01:14:59.930 --> 01:15:03.810
fucking big dude. Yeah. He's kind of like a brick

01:15:03.810 --> 01:15:06.960
shithouse, too. I mean, in like a fat pudgy way,

01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:10.460
but yeah, he's broad. Yeah. Yeah. Like he seems

01:15:10.460 --> 01:15:12.100
like he would take up a lot of space in an elevator.

01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:15.119
Yeah. You don't want to, you don't want him in

01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.340
the middle seat of the airplane. No. Mainly because

01:15:18.340 --> 01:15:22.579
you're sitting next to John Travolta. Fuck you,

01:15:22.619 --> 01:15:28.039
John Travolta. Well, who knows? Gunslinger might

01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:31.399
be complete ass. So most certainly that movie

01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:33.060
is going to be complete ass and surfer probably

01:15:33.060 --> 01:15:36.539
be not bad. Yeah. Or at least weird enough that

01:15:36.539 --> 01:15:39.039
it's like... Yeah, I have high hopes for Surfer.

01:15:39.699 --> 01:15:43.460
I want Nick Cage to be... I don't know why he

01:15:43.460 --> 01:15:45.739
really wants to be in Westerns now, but... Because

01:15:45.739 --> 01:15:49.560
Westerns are cool. I agree. It's a great action

01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:53.060
piece for an older man. It's true. You don't

01:15:53.060 --> 01:15:55.840
have to be athletic or good at anything. But

01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:58.739
this is going to be his third Western, and this

01:15:58.739 --> 01:16:02.960
one looks to be the worst. uh i god i have to

01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:05.920
go re -watch the trailer i can't imagine that

01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:08.960
it could be worse than the old way that movie

01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:12.680
was such dog shit except for eustace yeah clint

01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:18.239
howard and then what was the other one fucking

01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:20.960
the one that like didn't have any barely had

01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:23.699
any dialogue just nick cage staring like off

01:16:23.699 --> 01:16:27.680
into the middle distance the buffalo one oh yeah

01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:35.850
uh Bison boys. Yeah, bison boys. Wow. Butcher's

01:16:35.850 --> 01:16:38.289
Crossing. Yeah, Butcher's Crossing. We got there.