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So is Joel Schumacher a good director? Give me

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a rundown of like. All right, here. Notable Schumacher.

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Okay, that's actually a good way to do it. Lost

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Boys. Batman Forever. Batman and Robin. 8mm.

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Trespass. So as a director, The Incredible Shrinking

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Woman in 1981. Haven't seen it. Correct. Street

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Fleet. I don't know why I said correct. Yeah,

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thanks. Thanks for confirming that I have not

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seen that. St. Elmo's Fire. Not a bad movie.

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Haven't seen it. Lost Boys. Arguably a very good

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movie. Yeah. A real banger. Cousins. Don't know

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that one. I think I've watched that documentary.

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Yes. Flatliners. Not a good movie. Kind of fun.

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Stupid. OK. That's where they like a bunch of,

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I don't know, med students or something basically

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kill themselves. OK. Yeah. I don't know if I've

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seen it, but I've heard of it. Then it was Dying

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Young. OK. Don't know that one. falling down

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oh bad bad bad movie that people seem to a certain

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kind of people like to love yeah that is one

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of those that's like definitely regarded well

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even though i think it kind of sucks shit is

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it michael douglas yes michael douglas like has

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is just a white guy who has a bad day and decides

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to take it out on the world but is a hero because

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of it because he's saying all those things you

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can't say about the blacks and like oh okay yeah

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that's pretty much it problematic cool then we

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have uh the client so some sort of legal thriller

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with tommy lee jones uh batman forever a time

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to kill which i think is a pretty pretty good

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one batman and robin eight millimeter bad and

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then we get into the weird stuff is the client

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based on like one of those uh books by the guy

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who did like the pelican brief and stuff yeah

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that sounded like one yeah And it's Flawless,

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Tigerland, Bad Company, Phone Booth. That movie

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sucked. Bad Company. Something called Veronica

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Gurin. I thought it just said Bone Booth, and

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I'm like, I've seen that one. A different documentary.

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Phantom of the Opera, the one with Emmy Rossum.

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That's not very good. Bad, bad, bad, bad. The

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Number 23 with Jim Carrey, also bad. Something

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called Blood Creek, 12, Trespass. That is all.

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Hmm. Is Joel Schumacher alive? No, he died. This

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was his last actual movie. Oh, okay. When did

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he die? 2020. Oh. But he had a big gap. He was

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pretty sick and he didn't do anything for a while.

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Sure. And can I just say, way to go out on a

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whimper. Yeah. I mean, it must have been really

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bad. Like, he must have been pretty sick to not

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make anything else in the nine years before his

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death. Or maybe he just figured he was done.

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Maybe he just retired. Yeah, I mean, he did retire

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from the mortal coil. But I mean, I mean, after

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making Trespass, he's like, what else can I do?

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I've made a film that has 11 endings. I've said

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all I have to say. Yeah. Well, once you've directed

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Nicolas Cage twice, the only thing left to do

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is direct Nicolas Cage thrice and then die or

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die. Yeah. One or the other. Yeah, and if there

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weren't any good Nicolas Cage scripts coming

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up, might as well just die. Yeah. He wasn't touched

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and left behind. No. I mean, I would argue that

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this wasn't a good Nicolas Cage script. Yeah,

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no, it wasn't. It is a movie starring Nicolas

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Cage. It is, which is why we're talking about

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it. Yeah, and Ben Mendelsohn with dark hair.

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Yeah, that was weird. And a mustache. His mustache

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was kind of off -putting, especially in their

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weird like pantyhats. Yeah, his weird mask panty

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face. Very strange. I wanted somebody to have

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like the lacy pattern still like pressed into

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their skin after they take it off. This has always

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been my issue with the fucking like Batman style

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like cowl for superheroes. Like you'd get weird

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tan lines, wouldn't you? Not if you fight crime

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at night. Yeah, they're night workers mostly.

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Not all of them. Well, how many of them do operate

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during the daytime? Or just like the domino,

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like people who wear domino masks. Like it's,

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it's just like you'd get tan lines is all I'm

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saying. You could use baby block all the time.

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The super thick, creamy. Yeah. Thick and creamy.

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Blast it all over your face. Like the time you

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did white face in Vegas. yeah it was just like

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peter's white face i i didn't get sunburned so

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who's laughing now bitches yeah not the sun yeah

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loser couldn't get me uh real quick before we

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go any further welcome back to cage magical and

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roundabout we meet nicholas cage i'm your host

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sean here with my co -host nick and our producer

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nick peter hello and we're talking about the

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movie trespass just so all of that previous preamble

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makes any sense I mean, yeah, people obviously

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knew what we were talking about, right? It's

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in the title of the title. Yeah, there's that.

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Who knows? People maybe do shuffle on our stuff

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and didn't notice. That'd be weird. Yeah, I think

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the only one who would maybe do that is Bill.

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Bill, maybe Bill, Bill, Bill. So what do you

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guys think of this movie? I mean, it's rated

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like. Exactly what I think about this movie,

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but like just under mid. Yeah, it's like a 48

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% or something like that. I feel that is extremely

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generous. None of the performances were bad.

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None of them were necessarily great either. None

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of them were good. There was one too many betrayals

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slash twists slash not really betrayal, but then

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it is a betrayal, but then it doesn't matter

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because Ben Mendelsohn's dead five minutes later.

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Yeah, I thought all the twists and everything

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were relatively understandable. Like, I wasn't

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going through trying to think ahead on this film,

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but every time something would happen, it's like,

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oh, yeah, that makes sense. I'm not shocked by

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that development. But, like, I'm not shocked

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by any of the development. Rotten Tomatoes does

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have this as a 9%, so... Wow! Skills balance.

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That's better. I'm not saying that I was surprised

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by any of the double crosses. I was just like,

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Cool. It's like, all right, we're going to put

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you to sleep with this sleeping drug. It's not

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a sleeping drug. It's a powerful paralytic. Yeah.

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Wait, no, it's not. It's actually just the sleeping

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drug again. But it doesn't matter because we're

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going to shoot that guy. But before he dies,

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he's going to tell Ben Mendelsohn how his brother

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betrayed him before this movie started. But five

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minutes later, they're going to kill Ben Mendelsohn.

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there's gonna be no conflict there there's a

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lot of dying really rapidly in this movie they

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don't really like break it out over a long period

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of time it's sort of just like oh now's the time

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we're done with these characters yeah all the

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bad people are dead now and there's the last

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one okay cool i will say the one chuckle i got

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out of this is when the daughter like careens

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the car into the phone pole with the met with

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the um Yeah, the bass head. What's her name?

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Petal. Petal. Oh, God. What a dumb name. I fucking

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hated it every time they said her name. But all

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I could think of was like, I went through a windshield.

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Damn, I don't give a fuck. Yeah, but she definitely

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gave a fuck. Oh, yeah. Also, Sean, Taco just

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walked by in the background, and all I could

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think about was the sex worker in Joe who crawls

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out for a second. Get off the damn floor. Taco's

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my cat for anyone who doesn't know that. All

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right. Who wants to give a quick synopsis of

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this movie? Nicolas Cage and Nicole Kidman hate

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each other slash don't. They have a daughter

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who hates them slash doesn't. They get home invaded

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because Nicolas Cage has a bunch of diamonds,

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but doesn't. And then everyone shoots themselves

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and then there's money, but it's on fire. And

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then the movie's over. But which ending is that?

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I don't remember. I watched this. I just got

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done watching this movie 20 minutes ago and I

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can tell you fuck all that happened in it. So

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the crux, the crux of the plot is they're so

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far underwater on this house that Nick Cage is

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like selling off her jewelry to like store a

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bunch of money to like hide a bunch of money

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from the bank. So when they declare bankruptcy,

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it's going to be fine. And some criminals know

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this somehow. But one of the criminals was sleeping

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with Nicole Kidman, but wasn't. He's just crazy.

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Yeah, he was a creep. That was the only surprise

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in this movie that I was like, oh, that's almost

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interesting because he just sort of assumes that

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he's in some sort of relationship because he's

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off his meds. Yeah, that is the best description

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of this movie. Almost interesting. Off his meds.

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Off his meds. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't I

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didn't hate this movie. I think it was sort of

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like nothing. I mean, it didn't leave a bad taste

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in my mouth. It just left no taste. I didn't

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feel like I wasted my time watching it, but I

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didn't really gain anything from watching it.

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It was a fine film. That's that's the worst for

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me, though. Like, I mean, it's not even so bad

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that I'm going to enjoy that. I am enjoying that

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aspect of it. Every five minutes, there's some

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type of double cross or like twist, but only

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to be undone by the next one. Yeah, I think this

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would be a great Sunday afternoon TNT film. Oh,

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yeah. Like, that's where I expect to watch this.

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Yeah, I can't imagine this movie with commercials.

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Yeah, how would you follow the plot? Just there's

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so much of it that could be taken out and it

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wouldn't matter at all. Like, yeah, but at some

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point you. cease to have a film too much of a

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you just have a long episode the crooks to take

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out the marriage no i'm saying you take it like

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so there's a whole thing with ben mendelsohn

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who's trying to get this money because it turns

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out that he's into like he got a bunch of drugs

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stolen from a cartel or some criminal yeah he's

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a ding dong he bought too many drugs and then

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the drugs got stolen by the cartel he bought

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it from right And his dumb brother. Supposedly,

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that's the thing is like there's no conflict

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gained there because the guy who's like really

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running the show tends Ben Mendelsohn that right

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before he dies. And then Ben Mendelsohn and his

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brother never have any conflict over it. So there

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is no point to that being in the film. Who shot

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Mendelsohn? I don't even remember. The brother.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, because he was going to kill

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Nicole Kidman's. yeah the love of his life right

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yeah yeah so there's just like there's so much

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just circular like we're gonna build suspense

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we're gonna build conflict but we're not gonna

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do anything with that conflict i have a question

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about nail guns okay that was a pneumatic nail

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gun so you needed the air compressor turned on

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for it to work okay did they do that uh apparently

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in the end he turned it on it was not a very

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noisy air compressor so i wouldn't say it was

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a very powerful nail but Could you shoot a nail

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gun nail from a distance of six feet through

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someone's foot? Six feet depends on the PSI of

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the nail gun. Sure. But I've shot them across

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rooms and I've shot nails from the stage to the

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back of an auditorium before, too. OK, that's

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pretty good. So you can travel far, I will say.

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So you if you really jacked the PSI. Yeah. Yeah.

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Mythbusters tested this. They don't come out

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straight once they leave the thing. They like.

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tumble so it wouldn't have gone through they've

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got like a sail or whatever behind like a little

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parachute interesting so realistically he couldn't

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have like nailed the guy's foot to the floor

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but he probably could have punctured his foot

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yeah like he was stuck to the floor which is

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with a i mean with a lucky shot and you know

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maybe not with that style of nail but if you

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had a nail that didn't have like because i mean

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it's a nail gun you don't need a head on it necessarily

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so like finishing nails something with a small

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head would probably have a better chance at shooting

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straight he's had a big head on them though because

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you could see the nails clearly oh yeah no like

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clearly it was a made for film nail stylistically

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that made sense for this but yeah it just that

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was one of those things where i was like i see

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using the nail gun as a way to like fuck that

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guy up a little bit but to pin him to the ground

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seemed really ridiculous it's like get the claw

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hammer like i would man love to see a more realistic

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approach to it where they just use it as a distraction

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because like i mean i personally have been shot

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with a nail gun from about like 25 feet just

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because we wanted to know yeah where did you

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get hit I turned my back. So that just hit me

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in like the shoulder. Nice. You know, safety

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first. It's still a construction site. Sure.

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I wore a hard hat. I wasn't going to become like

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that guy from Happy Gilmore. Oh, that's right.

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Yeah. I mean, it just felt like somebody was

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throwing nails at me at that range. But that

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was an electric one, too. It wasn't wasn't the

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same. I feel like we have to test this theory.

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I'm down with that. Yeah. I can secure everything

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we need. This is the most doable dumb decision

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we've ever come up with. Let's do this live at

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the Beacon. I don't think the Beacon's insurance

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is ready for that. Well, especially because we'll

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have everyone in the audience take bets. Yeah.

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It's got as much illegal activity going on as

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we possibly can. Yeah. The first three rows may

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get wet. I want to talk about. How fucking that

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house was Nicole Kidman. She designs the house.

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Is she MC Escher? Because there are so many times

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in this film where someone will be running from

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a criminal and then that very same criminal will

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be in front of them. Oh, I thought you were going

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to say on the ceiling. Oh, yeah, you're right.

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I mean, there is it must just be like a very

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open floor plan because you're trying to dash

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away and hide. And then instantly the person

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that you're running away from is right there.

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It's like. This house sucks. Yeah, it strikes

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me as the kind of house that doesn't believe

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in doors. Yeah, for sure. Also, what was up with

00:15:18.230 --> 00:15:21.409
the kids door like lock? Like it had a pretty

00:15:21.409 --> 00:15:24.490
intense lock on it. Yeah. Oh, having a deadbolt.

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Yeah. Weird. I thought about that, too. Yeah,

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I don't want to be like a really weird, restrictive

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parent in my future, but like that seems fucked

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up. Yeah. You're not going to deadbolt your door

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on me. Yeah, it's unnecessary. Yeah. Also with.

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Here's something that concerned me with their

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security systems and everything. Why were there

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no like keypads up in like rooms and stuff? No

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shit. Like any sort of panic option. You have

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that deadbolt. That's a perfect opportunity for

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something script wise for her, like the kid to

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get back to her room, lock it and start punching

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in the code. Yeah. Hit the, hit the alarm code

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or something like that. Yeah. It was cool when

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they threw the chair through the window though.

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That was cool. I like that. their passcode is

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stupid yeah diamond i saw it before they said

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it i just saw it in the corner of the screen

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it was like that's fucking stupid and then they

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had to say it out loud and i was like oh of course

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they have to say it out loud but now that was

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their trigger password right that was the one

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that called the cops uh that's the one that they

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say to tell the cops everything is fine oh that's

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the we're all good here yeah yeah all good diamond

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that's like if i chose a hot dog that's super

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predictable i kind of i kind of want that to

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be your your safe word always oh yeah that's

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my proceed predictable it's like well we're all

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good keep saying keep going hot dog i'm dipping

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your toes in this yogurt hot dog hot diggity

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dog oh snap I was talking to Josh the other day

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about the hot yogurt toes, and he was just like,

00:17:01.620 --> 00:17:03.899
that is easily one of the most repulsive things

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that I can ever possibly imagine. I mean, he

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doesn't like most dairy things, so it makes sense.

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But yeah, it is pretty, pretty weird. That's

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a weird thing to have to get over Jennifer Beals.

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I was just thinking, do they make non -dairy

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yogurt? And what would it be made out of? They

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do. They make like cashew yogurts and shit like

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that. Huh. Fogurt. F -A -U -X. Coconut milk yogurt.

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Yeah, they do coconut. I guess it makes sense,

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but I just don't understand how it ferments.

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Maybe it's just coconut milk with a thickener.

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I got a thickener. Yeah. Put that shit on my

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toes, you'll get thickened. Thick as a brick.

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Oh, man. I also want to point out that it bugs

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me. The daughter crashed the car. No airbags.

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fancy cars don't need airbags they assume that

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you're just gonna die you can always turn the

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airbags off too true it's it's surprising that

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she didn't get like grievously hurt in that too

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yeah i mean all she did was like have her seat

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belt on and undid the seat belt her pedal she

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put the pedal to the metal what about the doofy

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kid at the party yeah he was something else uh

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that scene was just so dumb too that kid wanted

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it so bad like i don't know the whole concept

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or idea of like this party scene is so stupid

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like she goes so far out of her way to go with

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her little hussy friend can i say that you can

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i can say that uh because she's a minor proceed

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Well, we can speak ill of minors who engage in

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sexual activity because their souls are morally

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decrepit. They always are going to die in these

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movies. It's just the way of it. She fucked up.

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So she goes to this party with her little friend

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and completely like no need for the friend anymore.

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Once they're at the party, then there's just

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the kid who's like, I want to show you something.

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And she's not immediately skeeved out by that.

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And it's like, come look at my dad's money drug

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gun safe. it's like okay and she's like i'm just

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gonna call a cab and go home cool so like all

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of this scene was just to establish that there's

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a kid whose dad has a money gun drug safe yep

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oh cool it gets it gets dumber than that though

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when you think about this was all just an extended

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way to justify the car crash scene because they

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had to like swerve earlier in the film to go

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to the party to see the money so she could say

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that some kid has money and it's just all so

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pointless contrived yeah now to be fair if we

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had gotten through the film and that scene didn't

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exist and she just was like oh i know where we

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can get that money and then took her out somewhere

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to get into a car accident it's like okay well

00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:11.369
that's also kind of a wet fart I mean, I guess

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the conflict with Petal could have gone a different

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direction. Could have. Yeah. But you'd have to

00:20:15.829 --> 00:20:18.309
establish the reason for that somehow. Also,

00:20:18.390 --> 00:20:21.230
this is one of those movies where like nobody

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is likable. This just seems like a script that

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never got edited. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. You have

00:20:25.910 --> 00:20:29.130
to put a lot of work into like jumping through

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mental hoops for a lot of this film. And it's

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really just because. The footage given is the

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footage taken. Like there was no, no effort to

00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:40.900
make a better film. I don't think it didn't seem

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like it. Yeah. When was the last, when was the

00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:44.859
last big writers? Not the most recent one, but

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the one before this writer strike. Fuck. I don't

00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:51.160
know. I mean, it feels like they happen every

00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:54.380
four or five years on contract cycles. Yeah.

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There are some like the major ones. I don't know.

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Cause there was the one that happened during

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lost. There was another one. I don't know. five

00:21:02.630 --> 00:21:05.650
years after that uh when did this movie come

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out again 2011 2011 do we know when it started

00:21:09.630 --> 00:21:12.509
filming well that was a weird one too i don't

00:21:12.509 --> 00:21:14.769
know if you guys saw that but there was a delay

00:21:14.769 --> 00:21:18.190
during the process because cage quit for a bit

00:21:18.190 --> 00:21:21.490
because he didn't want to be the dad he wanted

00:21:21.490 --> 00:21:24.750
to be one of the burglars well midway through

00:21:24.750 --> 00:21:27.210
filming or something like that he's like clearly

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this is a better role yeah and leo schreiber

00:21:29.769 --> 00:21:32.309
was gonna take his spot and then i guess they

00:21:32.309 --> 00:21:35.170
coerced him back or something got sweet talked

00:21:35.170 --> 00:21:38.930
by schumacher well i mean i wonder if they just

00:21:38.930 --> 00:21:42.630
getting him back probably i wonder how much of

00:21:42.630 --> 00:21:44.210
the budget that just ate into just because yeah

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this all seems like it was filmed in order and

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not edited Here's a good little trivia bit for

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you guys. This film earned a Razzie award for

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Nicolas Cage's worst actor. So one, can you think

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of the two other movies that he also earned that

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award? Left Behind? Nope. Good guess, but no.

00:22:04.779 --> 00:22:11.420
9 -11? Nope. 9 -11 movie came out. I guess you

00:22:11.420 --> 00:22:12.740
can't give that movie a Razzie. That's the same

00:22:12.740 --> 00:22:18.809
film. Okay. We have watched both of these. One

00:22:18.809 --> 00:22:20.890
of them was a bonus. One of them was a canonical

00:22:20.890 --> 00:22:25.009
one. Okay, so a Wicker Man? Nope. No. No. Shocking.

00:22:25.789 --> 00:22:28.549
It's one that we've definitely talked about a

00:22:28.549 --> 00:22:33.509
lot. No, it's not even that one. What is it?

00:22:33.910 --> 00:22:38.750
Drive Angry. Okay. And Season of the Witch. Oh.

00:22:39.069 --> 00:22:43.549
Yeah. Yeah. But so this one earned a Razzie and

00:22:43.549 --> 00:22:46.829
it lost. to another movie that we've talked about

00:22:46.829 --> 00:22:49.430
on here that is unrelated to Nick Cage, but we

00:22:49.430 --> 00:22:52.269
definitely spent a stupid amount of time talking

00:22:52.269 --> 00:22:56.670
about. It is a Adam Sandler movie. Eight Crazy

00:22:56.670 --> 00:23:01.589
Nights. Happy Gilmore? No, no. Grown Ups? Grown

00:23:01.589 --> 00:23:04.250
Ups 2. It's an Adam Sandler and Adam Sandler

00:23:04.250 --> 00:23:07.789
movie. Oh. Oh, Jack and Jill. Jack and Jill.

00:23:09.430 --> 00:23:14.289
Did Adam Sandler win Razzie for Jack or Jill?

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Both, I think the worst actor and worst actress.

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I mean, I kind of hope that's what that would

00:23:23.150 --> 00:23:26.690
be pretty amazing. So I'm just going to say,

00:23:26.690 --> 00:23:29.309
yeah, you can listen or you can skip this film.

00:23:29.730 --> 00:23:32.430
Yeah, I mean, if you want to see this film, just

00:23:32.430 --> 00:23:36.470
watch Uncut Gems. But then again, if you have

00:23:36.470 --> 00:23:39.480
heart problems, don't watch Uncut Gems. Because

00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:41.819
that was one of the most stressful movies I think

00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:44.240
I've watched since The Descent. I really want

00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:46.380
to watch that one. Ooh, The Descent was a really

00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:50.180
stressful movie. I have claustrophobia. I was

00:23:50.180 --> 00:23:52.660
going to cry. If you want to watch a better home

00:23:52.660 --> 00:23:55.319
invasion movie with a great mustache, The Ref

00:23:55.319 --> 00:24:02.680
with Dennis Leary. It's a Christmas film. Holy

00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:04.559
shit. Spacey's in it, so you might have to give

00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:06.519
it a miss for that if you're not willing to watch

00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:11.279
Spacey. So Jack and Jill fact that was nominated

00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.019
for a record 12 Razzies in all 10 categories.

00:24:15.019 --> 00:24:17.819
And it was the first film to sweep all of them.

00:24:18.099 --> 00:24:22.519
Wow. 12 Razzies in 10 categories. What categories

00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:25.339
did it get double nominated for? Well, it did.

00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:28.920
It did take worst actor and worst actress. Yes.

00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:32.599
Okay. That sale sounds like two categories to

00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:34.880
me. Yeah. I don't know what the extra ones were.

00:24:34.980 --> 00:24:38.230
I mean. The ones that it was part of were Worst

00:24:38.230 --> 00:24:40.190
Picture, Worst Director, Worst Actor, Worst Actress

00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:41.950
and Worst Screenplay, which are really the most

00:24:41.950 --> 00:24:44.769
important ones. Right. They could have had double

00:24:44.769 --> 00:24:46.910
nominations for like Worst Actor or something.

00:24:46.970 --> 00:24:50.269
Sure. Yeah. Did he go and did he go and collect

00:24:50.269 --> 00:24:53.089
his Razzies in person? Somehow I feel like people

00:24:53.089 --> 00:24:56.549
don't go to the Razzies, but I don't know. Fucking

00:24:56.549 --> 00:24:59.289
Halle Berry did. You'd have to be a very good

00:24:59.289 --> 00:25:03.200
sport to go, I suppose. What'd she go for? Catwoman?

00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:06.019
Catwoman, yeah. Yeah. And it was after she won

00:25:06.019 --> 00:25:07.799
her Oscar, so she just gave a version of her

00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:09.359
Oscar speech. She wore a gown and everything.

00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.180
I kind of love that. Yeah, that's terrific. That's

00:25:13.180 --> 00:25:16.019
pretty fucking great. Well, yeah, I mean, I agree

00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:17.380
with your assessment, Sean. There's not much

00:25:17.380 --> 00:25:20.279
to say about this movie that's commendable. I

00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:24.039
love the direction. I love him walking around

00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:26.700
the house with that coat over his shoulder. That's

00:25:26.700 --> 00:25:28.640
actually the only thing I'm going to say I love

00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:31.880
about this film. Yeah, but it was just so dumb.

00:25:31.940 --> 00:25:34.000
He spends an entire scene walking around his

00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.859
house with coat over his shoulder, phone rings

00:25:36.859 --> 00:25:40.480
and everything. Yeah. And he just never sets

00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.000
it down like a normal person. That was really

00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:45.960
weird. Yeah. I mean, that again goes to the point

00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:47.619
of like, I don't think they had anyone on staff

00:25:47.619 --> 00:25:49.759
who was actually doing anything in terms of editing

00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.559
or. producing or there was no like continuity

00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.500
manager i'm sure so it's like just carry it nobody

00:25:56.500 --> 00:25:58.420
eats or drinks anything because we don't want

00:25:58.420 --> 00:26:01.759
to refill glasses oh the only other good thing

00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:04.599
that i was thinking about so the the like lead

00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:08.279
bad guy that isn't ben mendelsohn ty i was like

00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:10.180
why do i know that guy's fucking face and he's

00:26:10.180 --> 00:26:13.160
been in like a ton of movies as just muscle or

00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:16.819
a tough or whatever But he was a character in

00:26:16.819 --> 00:26:18.740
the movie Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, which I don't

00:26:18.740 --> 00:26:20.900
know if you guys have seen that one, but great

00:26:20.900 --> 00:26:24.279
movie. Should watch. Very good. The younger brother?

00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:28.359
No, no. It's the the other the like muscle guy.

00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:31.279
He's blonde. That brother had been in some other

00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:34.160
stuff, too. I can't remember now. What's the

00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:39.140
actor's name? Dash Mihawk or Mihawk. His name's

00:26:39.140 --> 00:26:41.650
Dash. That's unfortunate. I mean, it's Daschle,

00:26:41.769 --> 00:26:44.150
but yeah. I mean, still, that's a shit name,

00:26:44.230 --> 00:26:48.809
too. Daschle's dumber. Daschle is dumber. Yeah,

00:26:48.869 --> 00:26:52.289
Cam Gigandet is the other one. Oh, he was born

00:26:52.289 --> 00:26:54.490
in Tacoma. Yeah, oh, okay. That's what I was

00:26:54.490 --> 00:26:56.730
trying to remember. Oh, he's a co -owner of the

00:26:56.730 --> 00:27:03.150
Rock Pizza franchise. Yeah. Hey, all you kids

00:27:03.150 --> 00:27:05.769
in Auburn, even you can grow up to be in forgettable

00:27:05.769 --> 00:27:10.230
films. Just don't give up on your dreams. Yeah,

00:27:10.269 --> 00:27:14.849
you can be in Two Sinners and a Mule. Or Blowback,

00:27:14.970 --> 00:27:18.849
which is definitely a documentary. Yeah. The

00:27:18.849 --> 00:27:24.069
old quid pro quo porno. Last Shootout, also one.

00:27:25.950 --> 00:27:31.900
Without Remorse, also one. bad johnson yes sir

00:27:31.900 --> 00:27:35.519
oh my god every one of his films is just a chuck

00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:45.200
tingle film free ride plush turbo oh no cam don't

00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.220
do it oh my god there's always money in the banana

00:27:48.220 --> 00:27:51.700
stand there was money in that wall yeah oh man

00:27:51.700 --> 00:27:56.519
his brother lit up quick oh yeah oh yeah he burned

00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.039
so fast i'm like wow i mean they had like chucked

00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.460
you know kerosene on him or some shit but like

00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:04.759
no he just poured that onto the floor and it

00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.480
just like went over to the money yeah oh right

00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:08.819
and then he went and reached for the money and

00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:12.400
then also just was on fire really fast no she

00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:14.279
pushed uh nicole kidman pushes him into the fire

00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:18.160
even still like i don't think you just ignite

00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.200
no he gets shot in the neck nick case shoots

00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:22.720
him in the neck and then he falls over into the

00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.579
fire yeah which is actually the second instance

00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:31.559
for me this week Where a piece of fiction concluded

00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.660
with a bad guy burning on a pile of cash. What

00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:37.299
was the other one? The first Jack Reacher book.

00:28:37.619 --> 00:28:41.220
Oh, they're easy to listen to while I work. I've

00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:43.339
never read any of those. You know, if you like

00:28:43.339 --> 00:28:47.039
kind of pulpy. I mean, I sort of generally do.

00:28:47.140 --> 00:28:49.240
Those are sort of my airplane books. Yeah, it's

00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.500
good investigator kind of like, oh, who done

00:28:51.500 --> 00:28:54.039
it? Figure out a mystery. Now, isn't Reacher

00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.630
supposed to be sort of like an everyman? He's

00:28:56.630 --> 00:28:59.430
not. Well, he's retired military police. OK,

00:28:59.609 --> 00:29:03.430
so in the Amazon show, he's huge. He's a fucking

00:29:03.430 --> 00:29:06.349
like, well, the character is six foot five. OK,

00:29:06.470 --> 00:29:08.670
in the books. There we go. Yeah. So then it was

00:29:08.670 --> 00:29:11.329
weird that Tom Cruise played him. Yeah. So weird

00:29:11.329 --> 00:29:13.210
that Tom Cruise plays him. OK, that makes more

00:29:13.210 --> 00:29:15.289
sense. Lee Child, the author, has been like,

00:29:15.390 --> 00:29:19.589
yeah, I mean, physically, Tom Cruise is not the

00:29:19.589 --> 00:29:22.609
character or the actor for the role. Yeah. Wasn't

00:29:22.609 --> 00:29:27.410
Krasinski also one? Uh, no, he plays John, uh,

00:29:27.470 --> 00:29:31.109
Jack Ryan. Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Uh, from the

00:29:31.109 --> 00:29:34.230
Tom Clancy books. Gotcha. Like Harrison Ford

00:29:34.230 --> 00:29:37.589
and, uh, Alec Baldwin before him. Yeah, exactly.

00:29:37.670 --> 00:29:40.930
Same body type. Same person. Chris Pine. Chris

00:29:40.930 --> 00:29:44.769
Pine was one too. Oh yeah. The last, uh, Jack

00:29:44.769 --> 00:29:47.490
official Jack Ryan film was a Chris Pine movie.

00:29:48.190 --> 00:29:54.240
Interesting. Also entertaining. yeah i think

00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.140
about chris pine every once in a while just in

00:29:56.140 --> 00:29:58.619
that scene in the dnd movie where he just sort

00:29:58.619 --> 00:30:04.660
of like glitches and melts i just i just re -watched

00:30:04.660 --> 00:30:06.940
that movie it's still it still holds up it's

00:30:06.940 --> 00:30:12.319
a great film jonathan man jonathan i think it's

00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:19.960
is it uh sean levy is doing a forgotten realms

00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.099
dnd show for netflix Oh, yeah, I heard about

00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:24.680
that. For one of the streaming services. Yeah.

00:30:25.059 --> 00:30:30.039
That's cool. Which I'm here for. Fucking... Maybe

00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:34.740
we'll get a fucking... Oh, God, what's his name?

00:30:34.819 --> 00:30:38.599
Like, the one, the drow... Drist. With the panther

00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:43.279
and the two swords. Drist. Durden. Drist Durden

00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:47.900
with his swords. I think one of them's just named

00:30:47.900 --> 00:30:51.000
Tingle, or Tinkle. Yeah, it's like Tinkle and...

00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:57.079
It's like burning death and tinkle. Tinkle and

00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:02.220
drip. Oh, man. Give you the old slash and clap.

00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:06.500
Slash and clap, tinkle and drip. Ooh, baby. And

00:31:06.500 --> 00:31:09.920
that's why you listen to Cage Match. Gonorrhea

00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:12.960
references. All right. Any other thoughts on

00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:18.200
this one? No. No. All right. Well, thank you

00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.140
all for listening. If you want to support us

00:31:20.140 --> 00:31:21.779
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00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:24.660
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00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:27.559
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00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.240
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00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:32.960
Ira, John, Freeman, Lance, Nathan, and Cameron.

00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:38.140
So next up will actually be the sort of D &D

00:31:38.140 --> 00:31:40.359
tabletop game that we're going to do with the

00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.960
final Foreskin characters. And then it is the

00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.230
big finale, April 12th in Seattle. If you want

00:31:47.230 --> 00:31:51.130
to come watch the two final movies and have some

00:31:51.130 --> 00:31:53.490
mimosas and bagels and bond me and other shit,

00:31:53.529 --> 00:31:57.150
come join us and we will have a real dumb time.

00:31:57.849 --> 00:32:08.849
Bill. Bill. Bill. Bye bye. Bye bye.
