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Oh, God.

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Oh, my God.

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Speaking of hot and fresh,

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I kind of half expected you to show up with like a bag of chicken.

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Yeah, kind of sad.

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Oh, no, I had shepherd's pie for dinner.

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Oh, nice.

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Yeah, I went to Costco today, so it was a very low effort.

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Still sounds good. Yeah.

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Oh, man, I feel like

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kind of melancholy about this episode for some reason.

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I think because we're you know, it's episode 29 of season two.

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And there are only 31 episodes.

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So we're almost there.

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And we never have to speak to each other again.

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Yeah. I mean, that part rules.

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But I'm also kind of sad about it.

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After 31 episodes, we get to speak to each other.

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We don't have to.

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That's true. We can opt in or out.

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I don't know.

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He's still got so many movies we haven't touched,

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and he's going to make so many more.

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Plus, you know, G Force to G Force three.

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Three force because, you know, the mole is going to be a recurring character

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and all of course, absolutely.

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Well, Speckles didn't like die.

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He didn't throw him in a fucking volcano.

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He was serving time.

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What was he doing at the end?

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Was he making license plates?

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Did they all say nodes?

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Nudes.

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This is a bit of a cram session for me this time.

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I just got back from a trip and had to speed run the two movies

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last night and tonight and literally fast forwarded some of it.

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Yeah, as is my

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general design.

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I got to say the oh, man, the club scene at the end of Vampire's Kiss,

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like the last like 20 minutes of it, that music sped up.

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I went back and I listened to it slow because I was like,

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what does this even sound like?

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And I realized that I think three out of four times that I've watched this movie,

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I've watched it at at least one and a half speed.

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Yeah, I can't imagine.

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I can't imagine either of these movies. Benny Hilde.

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Oh, they're pretty good.

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It just seems like such an insane way to like experience either of these films.

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Welcome to my brain, John.

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Yeah, I'm glad I don't have kids.

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I can watch movies at normal, normal speed, normal volume.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Normal boobs just out and about both films.

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Good boobs.

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At one point, I can't remember which one it was.

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I think it was leaving Las Vegas.

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Cora like looked over my shoulder at the computer and she was like,

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I want to see Dancing Nipples again.

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Yeah, the other day when she was just staring at me and saying, boobies, boobies.

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Boobies, boobies, boobies, boobies.

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Like, what the fuck is happening here?

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There are some great things about having kids.

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Man, we went to Thunderdome today and it was fucking wild.

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It's the craziest.

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I've seen it in there.

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Kids were just crawling on the kegs and like falling all over the place.

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Like Barry got kicked in the head at one point, but was like, whatever.

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I'll still never get over the time that

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Matt's kid got bit in the middle of the back.

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Just like, how do you bite a child in the middle of the back

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and leave like teeth and friends?

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That's a good bite.

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That's a flat surface.

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Somebody with a little mouth.

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I had a kid bite me on the arm once at a Chuck E.

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Cheese. Yeah.

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How old were you?

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To.

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I was an appropriated.

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To be a Chuck E. Cheese. I will answer no further questions.

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Fair enough.

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I don't think there's an inappropriate age to be at a Chuck E.

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Cheese. I took my high school prom date.

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The Chuck E. Cheese still exist.

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Yeah, it still exists.

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They went out of business for a little bit.

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I think they had a bankruptcy issue and then somebody bought them up again

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and relaunched it because then Chuck E. Cheese was like, cool.

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Chuck E. Cheese. Oh, yeah.

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And now he's like backwards hat, like skateboard Chuck E. Cheese.

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Yeah, he's like what people thought cool was supposed to be in 1996.

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Yeah, I'm glad they're staying behind the curve.

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Yeah, I mean, at this point, 1996 is probably fucking cool again.

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So maybe they're ahead.

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Well, what was what was big in 1996?

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Don't don't Google it. I'm going to Google it.

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You you guess.

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Um, but E.R. was a cool show still.

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Probably. Yeah, you are was probably hot.

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I want you to try and finish this thought that Google has given me in 1996.

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Popular culture included.

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Gargoyles.

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Oh, probably.

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Might be.

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According to Google, I in 1996, popular culture included movies,

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music, TV shows and news stories.

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Really? Wow.

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God, I is fucking so smart.

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The English patient was big.

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Lame. The Macarena.

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That was that was a big one.

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Fuck, yeah. OK.

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Uh, hey, E.R. E.R. was definitely still big.

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Yes, you nailed it.

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E.R. was dominant for a long time in the 90s, though.

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Seinfeld Friends and Suddenly Susan.

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I forgot about that one.

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What the fuck was Suddenly Susan?

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The name sounds familiar.

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It's just a show about Susan Sarandon.

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Oh, oh, Beanie Babies.

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Beanie Babies were a thing.

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OK. Past guest Brian Kim McCormick

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sold Beanie Babies for like big time profit for a while.

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I vaguely remember him talking about that.

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Yeah.

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The average price of gas was a dollar twenty three a gallon.

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What a rip off.

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I know my my dad still would have driven many miles to go get the dollar 21.

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Slang words of choice included Booyah Word, Psych and Fly.

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Fuck, yeah.

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Psych.

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Yeah, I feel like that was a turning point in terms of like

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paying attention to what the news was saying about dumb fucking social shit.

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And then we got like the Internet and it just became that forever faster.

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Oh, we saw Bill Clinton as president.

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Mm hmm. That was one.

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Yeah. When did the Monica Lewinsky thing?

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This was pre-beige, pre-beging.

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Or at least pre-perjury.

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Also in 1996, the movie The Rock came out.

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That's right. This is a Nicolas Cage podcast.

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Boom. Bring it home, Sean.

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Welcome back to Cage, Matt Colen, around about way of meeting Nicolas Cage.

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I'm your host, Sean, here with my co-host Nick.

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Sorry.

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I'm Nick.

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I finally get it. I finally get it.

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You fuck it up.

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God damn it.

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We'll fix it in post.

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I've got him saying Nick so many times.

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And I'm just I'm Jack.

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God damn it.

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And our producer, Peter. Hello.

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And this is Cage, Matt.

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I said that we're almost done with this thing.

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I can I can finally I can soon stop pretending like I care.

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I think everyone knows.

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Yeah, we're going on three solid years of this.

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It's a lot of time spent with Nicolas Cage.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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I feel like I really know the man at this point, which is kind of crazy.

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Is that Stockholm syndrome?

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Kind of.

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I was I was here from I was here from the word Jiu Jitsu.

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I was in. I was.

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Episode one.

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Oh, God, you did.

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That was, you know, as a as a exercise in this process,

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I really felt like we made a bad choice.

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I don't think I can do this.

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And then episode two army of one.

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And then it all came together.

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Yeah. And then we all came together.

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Yeah. In Hayden's room.

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The only time that's ever happened.

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Well, what are you guys drawn to right now between the two movies?

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Let's get on with.

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Well, I just watched a wild at heart this morning, so

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take it off. All right.

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I am always just like

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thrilled with how this movie opens

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with just the fire and then the title

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like slamming into place like with airplane noises as it comes in, like

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as if this was going to be one of the big action films.

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It kills me.

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And then you just get like that intro with like

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I think it's like some rock and roll and no.

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And I'm still talking about the fire credits.

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It'll just the fire over everything.

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It sets a tone for the film for sure.

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It does.

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Yeah. I love the David Lynch enos of it all.

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Every just like weird.

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Pause or motion like sometimes somebody just walks kind of funny.

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And I'm like, that's so David Lynch.

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I don't think I like David Lynch.

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So everyone's well.

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Very fair opinion.

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I mean, I watch these and I'm just like,

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I think he would be better for me in like a long, slow procedural

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like Twin Peaks if I really gave it another go.

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I think I would really enjoy it more.

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And we talked about it with Tank a little bit to where it's like,

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I really feel like I want more backstory and I know like

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who gives a shit about Mr.

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Reindeer, whatever. It doesn't matter.

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But like all these characters, all this random shit

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that comes up in a David Lynch movie, like the fast talking guy

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talking about pigeons spreading diseases.

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Like, what the fuck is that about?

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Doesn't matter. David Lynch.

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Yeah, it's just the world you're in now.

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But in like a 90 whatever it is, 100 minute movie.

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I'm like, what?

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Yeah, this is a lot is a hundred and forty minutes.

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Oh, shit. It's a long boy.

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That's a long boy. Yeah.

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I've never been the biggest Lynch fan.

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I like I love this movie.

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Like, I'm glad we saw this movie in the theater.

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I'm glad we had that option.

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Peter, you and I have had this conversation about like,

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sometimes it's good to see a movie in a place

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where you just have to engage with it.

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Totally. We went and saw Green Night right after the pandemic.

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That was like our first theater experience.

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And we both walked and Rachel, we the three of us walked out of that movie.

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And I think the consensus was.

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I don't think I liked it, but I'm glad I watched it.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I feel happy that I did that with people, but also what?

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Yeah. But and I said, like, if I had had the option to watch that at home,

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I would have been on my phone the whole time.

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Yeah, that's a good, good way to put it.

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I'm glad I was able to engage with this film for the first time

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in a theater with people because I really do enjoy it.

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And I don't think I'd enjoy it as much if I didn't have that.

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If I wasn't like locked in, if I wasn't committed.

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Yeah. Yeah, that was a really great experience.

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And I'm glad that SIF was putting on that David Lynch. Absolutely.

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I know I'm kind of sad that I missed out on that

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because I think that that would have made a big difference for me

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in that sort of like shared experience kind of aspect,

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because I think I have not watched Wild at Heart with anybody

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this entire time.

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It's always just been me watching by myself.

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And I think that I would enjoy it more with someone else,

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even if it's just going like, what? Yeah.

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Well, having somebody else to point out things

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that are just nonsense and ridiculous is. Yeah.

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Pretty, I'd say, important when watching David Lynch.

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Yeah. I just watched Mulholland Drive the other day

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for the first time.

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And what do you think?

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How did you enjoy the lesbian love scene?

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Did you watch it with your parents?

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That's how it's designed.

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No, they couldn't make it up.

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But I took photos and I sent them to my dad.

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Of the scene or of you watching the same.

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Both. I was really close to the scene.

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I thought it was, you know, good.

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I definitely didn't understand it when it made the change.

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And I was like, OK, hold on.

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Then I had to like watch it twice as hard.

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And then I had to Google it.

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Yeah. I don't really love a movie that I have to then like

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look up the deep wiki on. Yeah.

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It was so much.

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I was like, what the fuck just happened?

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OK, so what are the tiny people?

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What about the trash guy? Yeah.

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Is this a Dark Souls podcast now?

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Yes. Always has been.

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But I, you know, I enjoy this film.

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It's it's just so weird.

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It does get slow.

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It gets so slow because I feel it feels like it's just

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two different stories stitched together to make a film length.

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Them getting away from jail and like breaking parole feels like one story

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and then like everything from Big Tuna feels like a whole nother story.

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Totally. But I really like Big Tuna.

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Yeah, there's a lot of things in Big Tuna.

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It's just like a reset

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where you have a whole new influx of characters brought in.

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It does kind of have that stage set up

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where like there is kind of a halfway point.

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That is where you go out and get drinks from the intermission

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intermission and then you come back and it's like, let's all go to the lobby.

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And then you come back and then, yeah, there's a whole there in a new place.

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There's a whole there's like the end to a new antagonist in it.

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Kind of. Yeah, it is its own like separate thing in a lot of ways.

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Teeth get smaller.

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You know,

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teeth get smaller, hogs get bigger.

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Yeah. That's how it goes with Willem Dafoe.

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Ladies, just the horny just asking for it.

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Oh, my God. Bobby Peru is so disgusting.

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Definitely my favorite character and so repulsive.

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I was talking to someone recently about the foes hog.

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His troubling hog.

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Was it somebody on the on the Max?

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Because you shouldn't just be approaching people on the Max

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to talk about Willem Dafoe's wang.

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I mean, that seems like the ample place to have that conversation.

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It's an ample way.

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You've seen where I lived.

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It's kind of interesting because Wild at Heart.

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I mean, it's hard to say that anything had a easy or tough path,

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because if you're a great movie or a great movie,

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you're going to fucking slam through it.

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But it did have kind of an easy path, given the stuff it went up against,

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which was knowing Willy's Wonderland and Wicker Man,

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which like all of those are great for dumb fucking reasons.

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But, you know, it's not like a murderer's row of great movies

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that it fucking slayed to get here.

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Mm hmm.

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Willy's Wonderland, I think of those three,

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I have the most actual fondness for looking back on like Wicker Man.

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I think is great for some really specific, stupid moments.

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But like that movie sucks.

326
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Yeah, it's not a movie that I enjoy watching.

327
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There are scenes from it that I enjoy.

328
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Yeah. Engaging with.

329
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And knowing just gets weird, like great disaster.

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You were clapped, but that's about it.

331
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That's not knowing, isn't it?

332
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No, no.

333
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Knowing is the one where is that's the airplane one, right?

334
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He sees the future through math.

335
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Yeah. God, I hated that one.

336
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Yeah, never mind.

337
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I thought we at least got one good thing from that.

338
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God, what's that one now?

339
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The one where the Inuit between worlds between worlds.

340
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Yeah. Yeah.

341
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We're reading from Nicholas Cage's poetry book or whatever.

342
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Yeah. Oh, yeah.

343
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Knowing was really shitty.

344
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Yeah. That was another Darryl one.

345
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Yeah. Yeah. Good job, Darryl.

346
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Because Darryl was on for Wicker Man, too.

347
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Yeah. But I did like Willie's Wonderland.

348
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That was definitely a fine film.

349
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The crazier the pinball dance gets, the better.

350
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True. Well, the sparkles.

351
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I think we just left alone.

352
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Do you think Nick Cage was just left alone in a room with cameras?

353
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And they were just like, we'll be back in 20 minutes.

354
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Do you mean he was left behind?

355
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I meant for the pinball scenes.

356
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I understood.

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So wild at heart.

358
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The David Lynch of it all is kind of the entire fucking thing.

359
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Right. Like I cannot imagine a different director doing this movie.

360
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Be so much straighter.

361
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Like, yeah. Yeah.

362
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Well, it would just be a like a pulp novel story.

363
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Yeah. Because that's really all these where they were shorts.

364
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Well, not shorts, but like, you know, little novellas.

365
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Yeah. Pulp gas station stories.

366
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Which I still think I would enjoy more.

367
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Yeah. Yeah.

368
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Just like little quick 30 minute films or whatever.

369
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That's episodes. Yeah.

370
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Yeah, I don't know.

371
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I mean, there's stuff like the Elvis stuff that just doesn't hit for me.

372
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Oh, I love the Elvis stuff.

373
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Okay. Convince me.

374
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I don't know, man.

375
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Nicholas Cage just goes so hard on singing

376
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these Elvis songs and I mean, for Nicholas Cage,

377
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that's pretty fucking great.

378
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Yeah. OK. I'll give you that.

379
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It is. It's so weird.

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Backflip out of the car.

381
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Yeah, that seems great.

382
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Just pulling over.

383
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I can't do this anymore.

384
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You find me some music on that radio.

385
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I love that Power Mad is just always on our song.

386
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Somewhere else somewhere.

387
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That is the band, middle of fucking Big Tuna, or even just Poweroren.

388
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Yeah. A band that never got like any real popularity, even in the eighties.

389
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But yeah, like, I don't know.

390
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There's just something about those Elvis scenes that are also just like.

391
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like, you guys have a real

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E energy, like big energy.

393
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Tell me you know this one and then just like starts it and then they just go with it.

394
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It's like, OK, of course, they know that.

395
00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:22,200
Well, like there's and have practiced it. Yeah.

396
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There are times where I'm like, this movie needs to pick a lane.

397
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Is it like a gritty crime drama or is it magical realism?

398
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Like, where where are we with this?

399
00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,500
Well, I think with Lynch, that's exactly the fucking middle of the road

400
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that he hits, right?

401
00:18:35,540 --> 00:18:39,640
Yeah, it is always kind of that like crazy magic world,

402
00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:43,380
but also like crime drama, you know, like.

403
00:18:43,620 --> 00:18:48,680
But this one is and isn't like it's I'd I feel like it needs to

404
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just go slightly harder either direction.

405
00:18:51,780 --> 00:18:55,020
Yeah, I mean, like all the Wizard of Oz shit doesn't really do much

406
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to light my candle, but yeah.

407
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Yeah, those are weird additions for me, too.

408
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But they don't it doesn't really fit.

409
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And it's really just there so we can have the fucking Glinda scene at the end.

410
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So like we can have a Deus Ex Machina poorly act

411
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poorly acting, tell him, you know, to like go get the girl.

412
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,980
But it also gives us that Diane Ladd

413
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like evaporating photo at the end, which is pretty hilarious and good.

414
00:19:25,780 --> 00:19:29,540
Yeah, I do like the way they just kind of hit these mediocre

415
00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:33,240
references all the way through and then just end it with her photo

416
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evaporates because it got wet.

417
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:39,480
That is pretty good.

418
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,480
I do like that.

419
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I mean, I fucking love the performances in this.

420
00:19:42,580 --> 00:19:46,540
I think every weirdo character in the entire thing is still putting in a great,

421
00:19:46,540 --> 00:19:51,520
great job. It's like I always just love I just die

422
00:19:51,780 --> 00:19:54,880
when that old guy is vacuuming at the hotel.

423
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He takes those steps and then like going backwards,

424
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he takes little old man steps backwards.

425
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,520
Very Lynch.

426
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,520
Yeah, the the background characters are terrifically handled.

427
00:20:09,980 --> 00:20:14,840
Everything from vacuuming guy to the porn stars

428
00:20:15,340 --> 00:20:17,920
to the guy at the gas station, like snapping off the beat.

429
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:23,540
Yeah. You know, just the world building of the entire of Lynch's mind.

430
00:20:23,540 --> 00:20:26,720
I mean, that's the part I might not like the structure of the films,

431
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,080
but I definitely love like the worlds they inhabit because they are

432
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barely well realized.

433
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:37,040
Yeah, there's a pretty good vision for what he wants

434
00:20:37,380 --> 00:20:41,720
and it's pretty consistent, I feel, with his other films, too.

435
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,940
Yeah. What year did this come out again?

436
00:20:43,940 --> 00:20:48,940
Oh, 1990. God, Harry Dean Stanton just like fucking always looking fucking.

437
00:20:49,940 --> 00:20:50,940
So old.

438
00:20:50,940 --> 00:20:53,720
That dude has looked the same for so long.

439
00:20:54,340 --> 00:20:55,980
I mean, he's dead now, right?

440
00:20:55,980 --> 00:20:58,820
Yeah, he died not that long ago.

441
00:20:58,820 --> 00:21:02,320
Yeah. But he looked 44.

442
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,720
So what he was 56 in this film.

443
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:06,720
Forty six.

444
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,520
Fifty six.

445
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,520
Fifty six. No, ninety forty.

446
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,220
Forty six. Oh, he looks like a bad forty six.

447
00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:15,820
Yeah, that's pretty rough.

448
00:21:15,820 --> 00:21:17,220
I think shit.

449
00:21:17,220 --> 00:21:20,140
Who sat on this podcast like, well, we used to be able to smoke inside.

450
00:21:20,140 --> 00:21:22,220
People used to smoke inside.

451
00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:24,220
Well, yeah, smoking inside was awesome.

452
00:21:24,220 --> 00:21:26,220
It was awesome.

453
00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:28,780
Everyone looked like dog shit all the time.

454
00:21:28,780 --> 00:21:31,280
Yeah. Dog shit and cool.

455
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,080
Well, sorry. Excuse me.

456
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,020
Like cool dog shit.

457
00:21:35,020 --> 00:21:36,920
Like a turd with a cigarette.

458
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A turd that you would definitely take home to meet your mom.

459
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Absolutely.

460
00:21:42,620 --> 00:21:45,980
Hey, I look back at my like at being a child

461
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and I think about all of the stuffed animals that my parents

462
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,760
definitely bought me with like points from cigarettes.

463
00:21:55,660 --> 00:21:58,880
Like I had several

464
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Joe Camel plush toys.

465
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,860
See, that's just good parenting.

466
00:22:02,860 --> 00:22:04,020
Yeah.

467
00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:07,620
It's not like taking your kid down to a fucking baby fight club,

468
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,880
letting them bite on other kids and generally.

469
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,080
Yeah, bite him in the back.

470
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,380
Maybe like right on a cheek.

471
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Dealer's choice.

472
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,480
I bit my brother on the cheek in a library when I was like sub one years old.

473
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:27,640
Nice. Really chomped him.

474
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,600
And my brother went over to my mom and was like, Peter, bit me.

475
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,880
She was like, OK, whatever.

476
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,940
And she looked and it was just like a full dental definition on his cheek.

477
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,380
I got that motherfucker. Yeah.

478
00:22:41,380 --> 00:22:42,740
Kind of it for wild at heart, right?

479
00:22:42,740 --> 00:22:46,940
Yeah. Those are my favorite things about it is just the world that he creates.

480
00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:49,100
The yeah, the characters.

481
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,980
And I don't know, it's just

482
00:22:50,980 --> 00:22:54,880
Nicolas Cage looks so cool in that snake skin jacket.

483
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,280
Undeniable.

484
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,200
He's got crazy good chemistry with Laura Dern throughout the whole thing.

485
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,280
For sure.

486
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,980
Yeah, the performances are great.

487
00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:05,540
They're weird, which is what we're here for.

488
00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:08,240
Yep. I thoroughly enjoy the movie.

489
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,200
It gets a little slow, but it feels the length.

490
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,400
I don't know that I have much more to add to

491
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,380
this conversation that, you know, nothing that I haven't said before.

492
00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:20,880
Like, it's a good film.

493
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,600
So I realized where I fucked up earlier.

494
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,100
Vampires Kiss took out Between Worlds.

495
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,740
So Nic Cage poetry still in play for this episode.

496
00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:32,600
Good. Yeah.

497
00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:37,580
It took out Between Worlds, Color Out of Space and Mandy. Yeah.

498
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,180
This one had probably like Vampires

499
00:23:41,180 --> 00:23:45,280
Kiss probably had the hardest track of any of these movies, I think.

500
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,780
Yeah, it was just all bangers all the way through.

501
00:23:49,020 --> 00:23:51,880
Right. I mean, like Between Worlds is the weakest of those, but also like

502
00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:54,920
it's so fucking weird to do that.

503
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,920
Like remember this bracket so much.

504
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,060
That was such a fun one to talk about.

505
00:23:59,060 --> 00:24:03,780
Like that one from the word go is so just fucking out there

506
00:24:03,780 --> 00:24:06,960
that I'm like, we're going to have fun with this. Yeah.

507
00:24:07,020 --> 00:24:09,820
Well, those, you know, relatively early on in us having guests,

508
00:24:09,820 --> 00:24:13,420
that was Gary and Rocks, you know, and like they go hard.

509
00:24:13,420 --> 00:24:17,080
So like they knew their shit with that movie and it was a lot of fun to talk about.

510
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,660
Do you remember them, the the sex in the bathroom or whatever it was?

511
00:24:22,660 --> 00:24:25,920
And then he's like choking her out after they sex

512
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,480
so that she can see her kid or whatever.

513
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,520
Yeah. What a fucking like movies are wild.

514
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,760
Can you imagine meeting up with somebody and they're like, I love to fuck.

515
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:35,520
And it's like, yes.

516
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,520
And they're like, I can see the dead, but only when I'm like halfway dead.

517
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,560
And really, right edging on that line of death and life. Yeah.

518
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,720
That's how fucking David Carradine died. You shouldn't do that.

519
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,360
I think a lot of people have died riding that line.

520
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,660
But I just like I just like mentioning David Carradine.

521
00:24:56,180 --> 00:24:58,520
Also, the guy from an excess.

522
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,320
Tell me more people who have auto asphyxiated themselves.

523
00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:04,820
I mean, those are the two I know.

524
00:25:04,820 --> 00:25:06,220
I think Chris Cornell just hugged himself.

525
00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:07,620
I don't think that was a sex thing.

526
00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:11,080
Mm hmm. Same with Bourdain. Yeah.

527
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,080
No, I'm sad.

528
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,080
Let's talk about edging again.

529
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,280
That's so good.

530
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,320
Yeah, it's great. Keep riding that wave.

531
00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:21,260
No, this will be

532
00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:25,120
a man like the second I put it on in the like dumb music comes on.

533
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,080
I was like, fuck, yeah.

534
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,680
Yeah. Vampires Kiss brings me so much joy.

535
00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:34,580
I love the the visuals of the film.

536
00:25:34,580 --> 00:25:37,940
And going back to, you know, our conversation with Gary and Rocks,

537
00:25:38,340 --> 00:25:41,820
what Gary said about like just those shots,

538
00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:46,640
those establishing shots in the credits, you have all the traffic coming in

539
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,640
and out and kind of like pulsing like blood in the veins.

540
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,620
Or to your little flow. Yeah.

541
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:53,040
Yeah, it hits really good.

542
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,580
It's the subtlest part.

543
00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:56,880
My is that even subtle?

544
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,420
I don't know if it's subtle, but I don't know.

545
00:25:59,420 --> 00:26:01,220
I honestly had this movie is subtle.

546
00:26:01,220 --> 00:26:02,640
Had he not said that, though,

547
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,240
I don't know that I would have paid attention to that being sort of like

548
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,240
a blood flowing kind of concept, but it really is there.

549
00:26:09,340 --> 00:26:13,420
Like the more I watch it, the less I'm like the more and more I like.

550
00:26:13,420 --> 00:26:16,580
I know I like when we started this process, I was very much just like, no,

551
00:26:16,580 --> 00:26:19,480
that's like, I don't know why people think this movie is so crazy.

552
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,220
Like it's the acting is crazy, but like it's a pretty simple plot.

553
00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:25,240
And the more and more I watch it, the more I'm kind of like

554
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,540
going down like the rabbit hole of like, wait, what is real?

555
00:26:30,540 --> 00:26:32,740
What is reality? Yeah.

556
00:26:32,740 --> 00:26:36,640
You try to pick it apart and it's like, when does the psychiatrist

557
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,940
become a figment of his imagination? Right.

558
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,820
Why would he ever not go on those dates with Jackie?

559
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,580
Like, I know he was hot.

560
00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:47,240
She was great. Yeah.

561
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,220
Because he's in the thrall. Yeah.

562
00:26:49,220 --> 00:26:50,540
Yeah, man.

563
00:26:50,540 --> 00:26:53,580
I think the weakest point of this entire movie is

564
00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:58,680
Jennifer Beals as the like vampirist as Rachel.

565
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,840
She just is like kind of nothing.

566
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,740
And like you can tell that they don't have chemistry.

567
00:27:02,740 --> 00:27:07,500
Yeah, she is not like sultry or like, I don't know.

568
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:11,700
Yeah, like her just writing on top of him is not hot.

569
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,040
Yeah. I mean, that kind of works.

570
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,800
I run with Jackie and fucking around with Jackie was hotter.

571
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,280
But yes, that kind of that kind of works for me in terms of like this character,

572
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,200
because like it's a figment of his imagination

573
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,940
and he clearly isn't that into himself.

574
00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:30,840
So like true.

575
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,440
Even the people he imagines are like

576
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,100
not that into like they're kind of bad at it.

577
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:37,940
I mean, they clearly don't have chemistry.

578
00:27:37,940 --> 00:27:39,000
I that is true.

579
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,700
Like that is part of the problem with that performance.

580
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:46,580
But that lack of chemistry kind of works for that character in my mind.

581
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,840
Yeah. I mean, he had more chemistry with the imaginary girl

582
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,500
at the very end of the film, too,

583
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:57,100
especially when she's not there and he's just like yelling at the wall. Yeah.

584
00:28:01,340 --> 00:28:02,280
Oh, I do.

585
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,480
I just I love I love the fucking when he finally just fucking snaps

586
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,780
and he's just like disheveled, like shuffling down the street

587
00:28:10,780 --> 00:28:14,080
with a bit of a palette, the palette.

588
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,440
When he snaps those plastic teeth in and then just crawls away.

589
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,480
Yeah. I'm just like, oh,

590
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,600
I think what this movie does for me is no matter how many times I've seen it,

591
00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:33,940
there's going to be performance moments that will just surprise me every time.

592
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,940
Yeah, I always forget about the crawling away until he does it.

593
00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:44,940
And the like frantic way he catches that like stink bug to eat it.

594
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:47,680
Oh, yeah. And.

595
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,380
The drugged pigeon he has to catch. Yeah.

596
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,480
Well, it's just like, OK, because this movie was shot

597
00:28:56,380 --> 00:28:59,380
without a union crew, without like proper like

598
00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:03,080
through the proper channels, like how much of that again,

599
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,820
it's how much of that is just like just let Nick Cage loose in a park.

600
00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:10,780
Like how much of this are we just not getting multiple

601
00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:13,920
like takes of or is this just a no note situation?

602
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,280
Yeah, it is. I mean, it's kind of that like world of guerrilla filmmaking,

603
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,160
but it didn't have that background.

604
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,880
You know, it just was like kind of low budget.

605
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,420
So they were like, I don't know, do this in off hours.

606
00:29:23,420 --> 00:29:25,380
Just run down the street and be crazy.

607
00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:27,280
It's like, I love that shit.

608
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,020
And like, what a perfect character actor to pull into that in that moment, too.

609
00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:36,280
It's like he is the ideal like just do your thing, dude.

610
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,680
Like, yeah, give us what you got.

611
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,960
Like, I cannot imagine that director being like, oh, Nick,

612
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,280
that's a little too much.

613
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,920
You know, I don't think anybody ever dialed it back down.

614
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,160
Yeah, they might be like, hey, that was pretty good.

615
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,820
Explore that a little bit.

616
00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:54,280
What more can you give me?

617
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,160
What if you crawled off screen like a dog? Yeah.

618
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,720
No, that was definitely Nick Cage taking taking some liberties

619
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,280
in the moment, I have to imagine.

620
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,360
He's so fucking over the top in this movie and I love it so much.

621
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,680
It's like touching the mirror. Oh, Christ.

622
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,880
Oh, yeah. The way it like burns him when he touches the mirror.

623
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,980
Like and this goes to like, I mean, I probably been saying this.

624
00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:20,260
I probably said this a million times at this point, but like,

625
00:30:20,260 --> 00:30:22,660
it always goes to people things like Nick Cage is such a bad actor

626
00:30:22,660 --> 00:30:24,960
for performances like this. Like, no, these are choices.

627
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,860
These are amazing choices.

628
00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:31,760
Yeah. Like if you were a bad actor, like if if he were the bad actor,

629
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,460
one thing he has every performance would be this.

630
00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:35,420
Right. True.

631
00:30:35,420 --> 00:30:37,960
Or he never could have achieved this.

632
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,360
Like, I don't think Kevin Sorbo has it in him to do this.

633
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,280
I cannot imagine Sorbo in a movie like this.

634
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,660
Just Kevin Sorbo does Frankenstein's monster.

635
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:57,820
But he does it in the most wild Nicolas Cage performance ever.

636
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,160
How much do you think we can get Sorbo for?

637
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,660
How much do we think we could get Sorbo?

638
00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:06,320
Do you want him to come to the the double feature?

639
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,320
All we have to do is tell him that he can talk all sorts of alt right nonsense.

640
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,020
Yeah. And he'd probably show up, but we'll give him a microphone.

641
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:19,720
I wouldn't mind platforming him so we can just like fucking rotten egg him. Yeah.

642
00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:22,940
At what age does that happen to the human brain?

643
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,080
A sorbofication.

644
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,420
Yeah. Dean Cain went through it to Dean.

645
00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:30,180
He went fucking hard.

646
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:33,140
When does like when does this happen to the human brain?

647
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:37,220
Well, I think you have to be bit by a vampire bat. OK. Yeah.

648
00:31:37,220 --> 00:31:41,060
Yeah. You have to be a little bit drunk, a little bit horny, a little bit horny.

649
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,860
It was also pretty horny.

650
00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:46,260
Yes, that's what happened.

651
00:31:46,260 --> 00:31:48,400
He's a little bit drunk, a little bit.

652
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,400
It is the accent, the his accent in this movie.

653
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,960
It's one of the better Nicolas Cage accents. It's so good.

654
00:31:56,140 --> 00:31:57,700
And that he maintains it.

655
00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:00,700
Yeah. Now, Alva,

656
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:04,540
what's your favorite like this movie?

657
00:32:04,540 --> 00:32:06,240
Fucking rules. I know.

658
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,080
What part of Alva?

659
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,520
God, there's so much Alva that we just haven't even talked about yet.

660
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,520
I do.

661
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,300
God, do I like the masculine admission more or like

662
00:32:19,420 --> 00:32:23,500
the fact that she's just ironing clothes in front of a window with no drapes

663
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,600
or with the blinds open

664
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,300
and he comes with like a little packet of soup mix.

665
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:32,760
I know just like waving it around like it's drugs.

666
00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:37,640
She's going to she's technically in a bra, but it's like huge.

667
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,200
It's like, you know.

668
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,740
Well, they were different times. Yeah.

669
00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:45,640
Shoulder pads were big in the NFL and bras were really weird and pointy.

670
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,380
Man Alva's shoulder pads in the beginning of this film, too, are just enormous.

671
00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:53,860
That's where you get the David Byrne confusion again. Yeah.

672
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,860
I guess this David Byrne, I'm not so sure anymore.

673
00:32:56,860 --> 00:33:03,400
I think my two favorite moments with him for sure are the too late, too late, too late.

674
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:08,160
That's just like terrifying monster, but also hilarious at the same time.

675
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:13,080
And then just him slowly like being pulled from the dead,

676
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,180
just shouting her name and then running out and leaping onto her desk.

677
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,640
Like, there you are.

678
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,020
Credible. I mean, that's like that standing jump.

679
00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:23,680
That box jump is impressive.

680
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,820
Even if you take like the athleticism out of this entire thing, it's like

681
00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:31,420
just imagine being in an office space and you hear that from like three doors down.

682
00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:33,900
You're just like, Oh, God.

683
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:35,000
Oh, my fucking boss.

684
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,560
He's going to I got to go in there and talk to him.

685
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,560
And it's like, Oh, no.

686
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,400
But he's like he's a middle manager, right?

687
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,540
He's not like he's not he's like nothing. Yeah.

688
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,640
And like he just gets away with all of that.

689
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,280
Yeah. Running around in the women's restroom. Yeah.

690
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,680
Like the screaming and shouting all the time.

691
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,620
Nobody takes her seriously until it's too late, which I mean, that's fucking.

692
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,080
That's too that's real.

693
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,120
I don't I don't know why that I keep getting hung up on that,

694
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,760
as if that's not a fucking real thing in this world. Yeah.

695
00:34:09,860 --> 00:34:14,160
His speech about like how he would like no matter what,

696
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,460
he would always give her the shittiest job.

697
00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:18,360
Oh, that's a brutal one.

698
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,740
He just cuts it right there.

699
00:34:20,740 --> 00:34:25,400
Not not an Alva scene, but just like my favorite is Nick Cage part scene.

700
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,740
Just his weird inflections is when like he's freaking out

701
00:34:29,740 --> 00:34:33,640
and he's like going into his office like, Tell him I'm in a meeting.

702
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,680
Yeah. Oh, man.

703
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:44,160
No, Peter Lowe is just what a like wild character.

704
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,100
I mean, it is definitely one of like the most stand out

705
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,000
Nicholas Cage characters.

706
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,960
Mm hmm. Absolutely.

707
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,680
I mean, yeah, we've we've talked about like the memeification of him and everything.

708
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,440
And it's like so many of them are from this movie.

709
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:05,280
And like it's just such like a wild, interesting, good, bad performance.

710
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,220
I don't know. It's very hard to put your finger on it because like you could look at it

711
00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:10,780
and be like, this is so over the top.

712
00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:13,560
But then you can also think about like when you're talking to Lauren

713
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,900
and she was saying, like, you know, this is being opera ish, you know,

714
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,260
it's these old timey black and white movies where everything has to be so big

715
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:25,000
because of what you're producing and presenting.

716
00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:26,360
Yeah. And he's doing that.

717
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,340
He's channeling something different in a weird way.

718
00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:31,640
But like it fucking works.

719
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,740
Yeah. It's the modern Nosferatu.

720
00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:37,440
Yeah. And I like I do love that arc of he loves those movies

721
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,120
and that era of filmmaking so much and how from as we tracked his career

722
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,680
from like Peggy Sue got married and like the murder fingers

723
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,520
to to this to him eventually just playing fucking Dracula.

724
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,240
Yeah. Renfield was so fun.

725
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,080
That is a fun one.

726
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,920
I just I mean, I could just talk about this movie forever and just I like.

727
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,700
I know it almost feels like it's something I want to watch again tonight.

728
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:07,760
And it's like, I don't have time.

729
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,100
I probably put it on my iPad and watch it while I drive to Portland tomorrow morning.

730
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,340
Like, this is definitely one that has grown with me

731
00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:21,180
as I've watched this, like my first view, like the first time through the bracket,

732
00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:24,540
like I was viewing everything trying to, you know, from a critical lens

733
00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:27,020
because, you know, how I interact with art.

734
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,580
But like as we've gotten through it more and more now,

735
00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:32,220
we're just watching the movies we like and I can just watch these films.

736
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:36,160
My God, this movie just is so good because like the first time I watched it,

737
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,360
I was kind of like, this is this is bad, but I'm enjoying it.

738
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,460
Now I'm just like, now this is fucking genius.

739
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,800
Yeah, I mean, it is still kind of bad.

740
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,840
Like, it's still campy. It's still stupid.

741
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:52,640
Yeah. But like overall, I think like it's not the most well directed movie.

742
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,840
It's not the best music.

743
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,120
It's not the perfect cinematography, but like it's fucking great.

744
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,780
Yeah. All the elements come together and make quite the cosmic gumbo.

745
00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:06,480
Yeah. Well, I think if it were a bad film, there would like

746
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:12,560
if it were truly just a bad film, you wouldn't have the little like touches

747
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,240
like when he bites the woman, when he kills the woman in the club, him,

748
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:20,640
like the little scene of him like sneaking the teeth back into his mouth.

749
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,280
Like you wouldn't have had those little touches where clearly

750
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,380
someone was paying attention.

751
00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:27,880
OK, those teeth like do.

752
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,720
I haven't put one of those in my mouth in a really long time.

753
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:35,220
Do does it really like extend your face as much as it seems to do to him?

754
00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:40,480
Well, it is just all plastic right up front.

755
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,120
So you wouldn't like you can't close your mouth all the way.

756
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,020
It's always like kind of open a bit.

757
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:49,060
Yeah. And they definitely don't go all the way back. Yeah.

758
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:52,360
I also didn't notice the first couple of times that she was just like

759
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,240
absolutely doing coke in that.

760
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,640
Oh, yeah. Back room. Yeah.

761
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,700
Oh, OK. Now I get it.

762
00:37:57,700 --> 00:38:01,500
One of the random shit vending machines at a bar here in Portland

763
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:04,420
had one of those one night and I was trying to like

764
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:07,040
buy myself a two dollar pair of those plastic teeth.

765
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,580
And the machine just took my money and I wasn't going to spend

766
00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:12,380
another two dollars on that bit.

767
00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:14,760
Yeah. Yeah. If I see it again, I'll try.

768
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,020
Good call.

769
00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:18,820
All right. So what do you guys want to set in stone for this one?

770
00:38:18,860 --> 00:38:20,320
Who's the winner?

771
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,100
I think it's got to be a vampire's kiss.

772
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,160
Like, clearly, we're all much more like just

773
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,360
enthused by that film.

774
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,440
Yeah, it gets the people going, man.

775
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,540
It's a good film.

776
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:32,240
It's a great.

777
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:36,940
By my own metric in terms of like how I've been handled in this round,

778
00:38:36,940 --> 00:38:40,580
what's the one I can recommend to anyone?

779
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,640
Vampires kiss.

780
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,480
I can't recommend a Lynch film to just.

781
00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:48,520
Yeah, it's not for everyone.

782
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,020
Yeah. Go look at Bobby Perru's teeth.

783
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,420
I feel like I think both of these films like

784
00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:58,900
come with a fairly decent sized caveat in terms of like

785
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:02,360
who I could recommend this to or if I recommend it, I'm like.

786
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:06,300
OK, just stick with it.

787
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,640
You'll get it. You'll get there.

788
00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:11,500
Like this isn't a set it and forget it movie.

789
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:14,640
Like I think there's going to be a little preamble to getting

790
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:18,140
anyone invested in any of these movies if they're not already like.

791
00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:20,640
Into the idea.

792
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,180
Yeah, I think it's just more consistent throughout its run

793
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,280
that it is just always going to be giving you something.

794
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,560
So really like sink your.

795
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,160
Bite down on. Yeah.

796
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,620
Nice. Well done.

797
00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:35,400
Both of you.

798
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,020
Yours was better.

799
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:40,200
But yeah, vampires kiss, man.

800
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,340
It's it's a fucking banger, dude.

801
00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:46,580
Yeah, I'm glad this isn't a tiebreaker situation in contentious

802
00:39:46,580 --> 00:39:48,840
because it's 100% vampires kids for me.

803
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,680
Love wild at heart.

804
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,080
Love the stupid snake skin jacket and all that shit.

805
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,120
But like vampires kiss rules. It's so good.

806
00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:59,620
Welcome to the final foreskin, Peter Lowe.

807
00:39:59,820 --> 00:40:02,780
Yes. God pig versus vampires kiss.

808
00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:05,220
That's a fucking that's a matchup.

809
00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:10,100
It will make no sense at all in a head to head kind of concept, but still great.

810
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,900
Conair versus Raising Arizona.

811
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:16,140
It's going to be interesting.

812
00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:18,400
We did a weird thing.

813
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,000
That means there's only like three official episodes left.

814
00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:23,880
Yeah, I said that earlier.

815
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,780
Weird.

816
00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:31,440
Yeah, this whole experiment's been wild at heart and weird on top.

817
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,880
Weird on top.

818
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,180
Oh, thanks, Lula.

819
00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:38,020
Also, thanks to our Patreon supporters,

820
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,120
Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam and Bill

821
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,420
and to our cage dancers, Ira, John Freeman, Lance, Nathan and Cameron.

822
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,960
If Peter missed your name, let us know.

823
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,160
He'll say it twice next week.

824
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,860
Did you say Bill? Bill.

825
00:40:54,860 --> 00:40:57,700
You said Bill. Bill. Bill. Bill.

826
00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:02,320
Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill.

827
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,920
Bill, Bill.

828
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,260
Bye bye.

829
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:14,720
Nick, I have a question for you.

830
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:15,620
OK.

831
00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:18,760
Are you watching burn notice or is this just a Josie thing?

832
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:20,440
Just Josie.

833
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,740
Oh, she just is watching for notice.

834
00:41:22,740 --> 00:41:24,340
Josie just put on burn notice.

835
00:41:24,340 --> 00:41:26,400
Why did she like text you about it?

836
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,500
Yeah, she texted me about it. She's like, I see why you like the show.

837
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:32,580
And then we talked about how we talked about like nice things about burn notice.

838
00:41:34,540 --> 00:41:38,580
No, I've been in the room for like parts of episodes, but I'm not watching it.

839
00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:41,120
Yeah, I don't doubt you that burn notice is fine.

840
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,720
I just I don't have time.

841
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:49,100
Yeah, I'm not pulling up like a serialized show from 30 years ago

842
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:50,960
or whatever the fuck came out.

843
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:55,660
Because I could I could get in on that.

844
00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:57,200
I have opinions on Dark Souls.

845
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,640
Oh, I just started a new Elden Ring playthrough this morning.

846
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,940
Let me tell you about it.

847
00:42:00,940 --> 00:42:03,580
No. OK. No.

848
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,240
You, Sean, the signal canceled.

849
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,120
We've got enough Sean audio.

850
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,580
We'll see something. It'll be fine.

851
00:42:11,580 --> 00:42:12,820
That's true.

852
00:42:12,820 --> 00:42:14,780
And just be slurs.

853
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,160
All the slurs we've recorded over the years.

854
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:25,040
Sean, no, don't say that.

