1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,760 Oh, God. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,800 Oh, my God. 3 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,360 I do want to say off the bat. 4 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:30,060 I am impressed with the special effects in this film. 5 00:00:31,420 --> 00:00:35,300 While they're not great, they are definitely well above 6 00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:38,560 the lowest tier Nick Cage special effects we've ever seen. 7 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:39,760 White Jag. 8 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,100 Rude. Yeah. 9 00:00:42,100 --> 00:00:46,760 As far as like CG animals go, yes, the vultures were better done. 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,420 The first few vulture shots. 11 00:00:49,420 --> 00:00:51,360 I was like, is that a real fucking bird? 12 00:00:52,060 --> 00:00:53,160 Until it flies. 13 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:55,520 And then you're like, oh, look at that. 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,820 It looks like one of those rubber bats on a string. 15 00:00:58,060 --> 00:01:00,000 Yeah. Just dangling across. 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,720 So obviously, we're talking about 2015's pay the ghost. 17 00:01:03,220 --> 00:01:05,700 Or as I like to call it, pay the bills. 18 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,600 Oh, hi. Oh. 19 00:01:09,700 --> 00:01:11,560 But accurate. I mean, it is in that window. 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,360 Yeah, it's a it's a terrible 2015. 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,600 Well, also real quick, welcome back to Cage magical and roundabout 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:17,520 way of meeting Nicolas Cage. 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,400 I'm Sean here with my co-host Nick and our producer Peter. 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,640 And it's been a bit of a stun this. 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,600 So just going to throw that in there in case anyone's forgot. 26 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,700 I mean, it's mostly just been a long time for us. 27 00:01:29,700 --> 00:01:32,100 It's been like a month since we recorded. 28 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:33,800 But we're back, bitches. 29 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:34,800 Anyway, yeah. 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:40,680 Pay the Ghost 2015 starring Nicolas Cage and Laurie from The Walking Dead. 31 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,540 Also, I mean, also, she was Anita Dick in Letter Kenny. 32 00:01:45,580 --> 00:01:47,040 Oh, nice. 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,240 Yeah, it was funny. 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,900 Had you not mentioned that she was from The Walking Dead, 35 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:53,140 I would have done exactly what you did, Sean, and I would have just been like, 36 00:01:53,140 --> 00:01:55,340 why do I know her face? Yeah. 37 00:01:56,140 --> 00:01:58,000 She's not a great actress. 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,740 No, she wasn't. 39 00:01:59,740 --> 00:02:02,000 And then I saw she was Laurie from The Walking Dead. 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,200 I'm like, that's why she's annoying. 41 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,440 She was just like, in my opinion, a terrible wife. 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,540 Well, so I had got confused with the dynamics of this. 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,040 Like what was the kid Charlie? 44 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,500 Was he actually Nick Cage's kid or was it her kid? 45 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:20,540 And Nick Cage was like husband to or something. 46 00:02:20,540 --> 00:02:21,600 It was his kid. 47 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,260 Yeah, I think it was like they're being like their child. 48 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,400 It's my son. You lost my son. 49 00:02:27,460 --> 00:02:30,700 It was like, you know, I mean, she is grieving. 50 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:34,740 Yeah. You want you want to have that fight then? 51 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:37,600 You want to argue semantics then? 52 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,200 Yeah. I mean, that's a good point. 53 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,900 I would definitely pull out the paternity test because if it wasn't my child, 54 00:02:43,900 --> 00:02:46,360 I'd be like, well, why the fuck didn't you protect him? 55 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,240 Yeah, this is your fault. 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,700 Yeah. You sent him off with a strange person. 57 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,900 Yeah. To a carnival. 58 00:02:54,700 --> 00:02:59,000 Everybody knows you don't let your kids go out with a literary professor. 59 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:01,840 Yeah, exactly. How old is Charlie supposed to be? 60 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,200 I think he's supposed to be like six or eight or something like that. 61 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,000 You know, he's he was supposed to start second grade. 62 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,840 Oh, so he's like eight the year after. So he was in first grade. 63 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:13,340 So that's a good question. 64 00:03:13,340 --> 00:03:17,400 So he comes back from well, let's do a plot summary and then I want to get into that 65 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:18,760 because I'm really confused. 66 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,160 What grade of school does he go into then? 67 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,040 Like it's been a year that he was gone. 68 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,040 Yeah. But he didn't learn anything. 69 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,160 He didn't age. He hold him back. Yeah, that's true. 70 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,040 The basic premise of this film is 71 00:03:30,540 --> 00:03:33,600 Nicolas Cage is a workaholic English professor 72 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:37,640 who's a good father, but just busy. 73 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,660 Like all intents and purposes, we don't see him be like a horrible father. 74 00:03:41,660 --> 00:03:43,760 He's just busy. 75 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,740 He's in a busy time of his life. 76 00:03:45,740 --> 00:03:48,400 Yeah. And he's trying to get tenure. So it kind of makes sense. 77 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:50,460 It's Halloween. 78 00:03:50,460 --> 00:03:53,760 His kids like wants to go out and really wants to be with dad, 79 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:54,960 but he gets home late. 80 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,140 So he takes his kid to a Halloween fair 81 00:03:58,340 --> 00:04:00,000 carnival across the street. 82 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,400 And then the kid goes missing hard cut to a year later. 83 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,740 That's the first half hour of the film. 84 00:04:05,740 --> 00:04:07,700 Hard cut to a year later. 85 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:11,400 And like Nick Cage has got his all string boarded up. 86 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,100 He's in his like shitty bachelor apartment because he's a strange from his wife. 87 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:18,700 And he's trying to like he starts seeing hearing his son, Charlie, 88 00:04:18,700 --> 00:04:23,400 like out on the streets in New York and starts seeing these signs to pay the ghost. 89 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,540 And it turns into a really bad like fucking Silent Hill 90 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:33,280 in the like the back half and is generally not great. 91 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:37,900 The one piece of this that really, really bugged me. 92 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,040 I mean, I get when movies need to have like some exposition machine, 93 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,020 but I hated when they were at the Celtic like ceremony and they're like 94 00:04:46,020 --> 00:04:49,140 talking to that lady and she's like, I'm just a teacher for Montauk or whatever. 95 00:04:49,380 --> 00:04:52,440 And then she's like, here's all the information. 96 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,540 Everything I wrote that in my notes. 97 00:04:55,540 --> 00:04:56,980 I was like, oh, my God. 98 00:04:56,980 --> 00:05:00,240 And then immediately after that, the second half of the story 99 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,280 gets filled in by his like literary research partner. 100 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:06,240 Exactly. 101 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,240 Just like, oh, here's the second half. 102 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,340 And it's like a long scene, too. 103 00:05:11,340 --> 00:05:13,540 And she's just and this happens and then this happens. 104 00:05:13,540 --> 00:05:16,620 And the rules of the veil is opened at this point, 105 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:19,740 but only for this amount of time and three children are taken 106 00:05:19,940 --> 00:05:22,240 and those children can come back within one year. 107 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,020 It's like, how the fuck? 108 00:05:24,020 --> 00:05:25,340 How do you know all this stuff? 109 00:05:25,340 --> 00:05:30,480 It turned from like this is a fun school activity to witchcraft is real. 110 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,420 And I know about it. 111 00:05:32,740 --> 00:05:36,620 Also, that was the nicest alleyway New York has ever seen. 112 00:05:36,620 --> 00:05:37,940 It's so spacious. 113 00:05:37,940 --> 00:05:39,980 Yeah, it's a real like no wonder. 114 00:05:39,980 --> 00:05:42,420 Like people should be moving into that alleyway. 115 00:05:42,420 --> 00:05:44,740 There is just room for activities. 116 00:05:44,740 --> 00:05:46,220 Lots of activities, lots of burning. 117 00:05:46,220 --> 00:05:47,740 Yeah. Yeah. 118 00:05:47,740 --> 00:05:51,220 So the thing that bugged me about this movie, I mean, there's several things. 119 00:05:51,220 --> 00:05:55,420 The other thing that bugged you one extremely specific thing that bugged me. 120 00:05:55,420 --> 00:06:01,380 The fucking vultures like Nick Cage goes into that, like broken down 121 00:06:01,380 --> 00:06:04,420 hovel to like find the homeless people in the pay the ghost sign. 122 00:06:04,420 --> 00:06:04,940 Mm hmm. 123 00:06:04,940 --> 00:06:08,780 There's just like three vultures on a dumpster and he's not like just chewing away. 124 00:06:08,780 --> 00:06:11,140 Huh. New York vultures. 125 00:06:11,140 --> 00:06:12,340 Yeah. What the fuck? 126 00:06:12,340 --> 00:06:13,340 Those don't live there. 127 00:06:13,340 --> 00:06:17,380 They don't. If I saw a vulture in New York City, I'd be like, that's fucking weird. 128 00:06:17,380 --> 00:06:18,540 Something is wrong here. 129 00:06:18,540 --> 00:06:23,180 Your entire life of living in New York and all of a sudden you just start seeing vultures. 130 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:25,880 Vultures. Something bad is going on. 131 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,420 These are harbingers of doom. 132 00:06:27,420 --> 00:06:30,140 Like what the fuck is happening in New York City right now? 133 00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:36,140 I mean, I'm not like a superstitious person, but if I started seeing something that was 134 00:06:36,140 --> 00:06:41,740 was even like vaguely Omen ish Omen Omenesk Omenesk Omenesk. 135 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:43,880 I prefer Ruben Esk. 136 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,740 Ooh. With sauerkraut and corned beef inside. 137 00:06:47,740 --> 00:06:49,620 Yeah, exactly. 138 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:53,720 Oh, yeah, it's like a chocolate covered Ruben. 139 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,820 I would try that, but that does sound repulsive. 140 00:06:56,820 --> 00:06:59,440 I would I would I would definitely try that. 141 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,940 This is mildly fucking fucking pedantic. 142 00:07:01,940 --> 00:07:03,280 But when does that stop me? 143 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:06,480 Something that really bugged me was the kids fucking pirate costume. 144 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,280 Just give me shitty fucking eye patch. 145 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:10,940 Why are you like painting a fucking eye patch on the kid? 146 00:07:10,940 --> 00:07:14,620 When I was a kid, we suffered for our Halloween costumes. 147 00:07:14,620 --> 00:07:17,640 I could barely breathe in most of my mask and like the isolates were so tiny. 148 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,220 I was wandering into traffic. 149 00:07:19,220 --> 00:07:22,480 Now you got these soft kids with their fucking fake like, 150 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,980 how do you know these kids are soft? 151 00:07:24,980 --> 00:07:28,280 Batman forever muscles like on their costumes. 152 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,120 I had to work for those muscles as a kid. 153 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,720 You were young Hercules. 154 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,140 So I want to just wrap up that 155 00:07:36,140 --> 00:07:40,480 a little teacher scene with the exposition dump 156 00:07:40,980 --> 00:07:46,720 with when he showed her that symbol, the maiden mother crone thingy. 157 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,780 And she's like, oh, it's this. 158 00:07:49,780 --> 00:07:52,920 It's the most devastating of all symbols here. 159 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,320 I happen to have a pendant with that featured. 160 00:07:55,580 --> 00:07:57,440 I'm just wearing it right now. 161 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:03,640 Why there's some fucking weird choices in how they give us all the information. 162 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,280 So then the other exposition dump that you were talking about with his like research, 163 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,680 buddy, yeah, right before she gets tossed out the window by the right. 164 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,440 But then she walks past that statue of like the bustiest 165 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,580 bare breasted woman being like burned at the stake. 166 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:20,120 I think I want to go to this college. 167 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,280 This place is great. 168 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,240 I will say that scene specifically because my brain is my brain. 169 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,840 Like when she comes out of the office, hair pulled back, 170 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,340 wearing that like slightly too short overcoat. 171 00:08:30,820 --> 00:08:33,480 And I'm just like, I've seen this adult documentary. 172 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,080 And then there was the booby statue. 173 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,240 I'm like, I've definitely seen this adult documentary. 174 00:08:39,620 --> 00:08:42,980 And then she went down all the way down all the way. 175 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,940 And now, again, that was just why did the ghost need to kill her? 176 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,020 I think because she had like because she figured out her name. 177 00:08:50,020 --> 00:08:52,420 Yeah. Like in the names of power. 178 00:08:52,420 --> 00:08:55,620 Or yeah, or maybe we got to ask that teacher like a 179 00:08:56,020 --> 00:08:58,420 I don't like my story being told. 180 00:08:58,420 --> 00:08:59,880 Ghost, I guess. 181 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,120 Well, I mean, maybe it's like too much of a clue. 182 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,480 Same reason she killed the psychic medium. 183 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,540 But the real answer is just to progress the plot. 184 00:09:06,540 --> 00:09:09,680 Yeah, that's boring, though. 185 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:13,080 Ultimately, just that's where this movie. 186 00:09:13,340 --> 00:09:18,120 I could forgive this movie if one you cut the fucking 30 minute intro. 187 00:09:18,820 --> 00:09:21,580 Yeah, tight 60 would be great. 188 00:09:21,580 --> 00:09:26,840 There's no chemistry between him and his wife at the beginning of this. 189 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,620 No, the kids, not a terrible actor. 190 00:09:30,620 --> 00:09:32,040 I don't hate the kid. 191 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,140 Oh, man, I thought that kid was awful. 192 00:09:34,140 --> 00:09:35,920 I hate that. 193 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,880 Yeah. Yeah. 194 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,340 But I will say, like and then like lay off the fucking CG, 195 00:09:42,340 --> 00:09:45,980 like go shit at the end and have it be a little bit more mysterious and spooky, 196 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:50,380 because I'm not a horror movie guy, so it's not hard to like spook me. 197 00:09:50,380 --> 00:09:52,840 But there were a few like creepy scenes in this film, 198 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,320 like when the Razor Scooters just like doing its own thing in the house. 199 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,940 I'm like, oh, yeah, that's scary. 200 00:09:57,940 --> 00:09:59,080 I don't like that. 201 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,380 There's a couple of jump scares that then like that. 202 00:10:01,380 --> 00:10:03,840 You got me. I hate jump scares, though. 203 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,440 Yeah, I know. It feels like such a cheap. 204 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:06,220 It is cheap. 205 00:10:06,220 --> 00:10:08,840 This movie could have been better if you cut out the jump scares 206 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,880 and focused more on like actually creating an element 207 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,180 or like a feeling of terror. 208 00:10:16,180 --> 00:10:17,680 Yeah, that's the thing. 209 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:19,980 Scary movies aren't for me either in a lot of ways. 210 00:10:19,980 --> 00:10:23,280 And I think the ones that are most effective to me are the ones that do just have that 211 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:28,520 like persistent build of dread where it's just like, oh, God, I am so uncomfortable right now. 212 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,820 Like, where is the release from this? 213 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,620 It's like death. 214 00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:34,980 It's scare edging. 215 00:10:34,980 --> 00:10:37,480 You scare edging. Exactly. 216 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,640 But like I think this movie does it decently. 217 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,240 Again, this CG isn't the worst. 218 00:10:43,380 --> 00:10:45,280 The worst CG is the witch. 219 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,320 I mean, the ghosty kids were not the best either. 220 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,340 But well, when they start flying, yeah, that's bad. 221 00:10:49,340 --> 00:10:55,580 But like when he's in the fucking like void with all of the ghost children, 222 00:10:55,980 --> 00:10:57,880 that was legitimately spooky. 223 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,580 It was. That was actually a cool, cool little shot and scene. 224 00:11:00,740 --> 00:11:02,780 What is up with that bridge? 225 00:11:02,780 --> 00:11:05,080 Because honestly, there's no supports to it. 226 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,420 It just like goes and goes. 227 00:11:07,420 --> 00:11:10,340 No, well, on the last day of salmon, 228 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,820 there are bridges that can float. 229 00:11:13,820 --> 00:11:15,820 This movie turns into Silent Hill. 230 00:11:15,820 --> 00:11:18,580 But like when he's walking through all the dead kids, 231 00:11:18,580 --> 00:11:23,580 all I can think about is the episode of The Simpsons, 232 00:11:23,940 --> 00:11:28,440 a streetcar named Marge, where Maggie's in the daycare 233 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,720 and they can't have their pacifiers and like they do the mission of possible, 234 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,580 like get all the pacifiers Homer goes to pick up the babies. 235 00:11:35,580 --> 00:11:38,820 And they're all in one room sucking their pacifiers in unison. 236 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:43,480 So you just have that loud echoing pop and Homer just like creeps through, 237 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,940 picks up Maggie, goes out, close the door, just goes, 238 00:11:45,940 --> 00:11:47,940 Oh, baby. 239 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:51,980 But so like I didn't. 240 00:11:51,980 --> 00:11:55,840 Yeah, I mean, large parts of this movie I found mostly inoffensive, 241 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,340 like the acting's not great. 242 00:11:57,340 --> 00:11:59,380 Nick Cage clearly doesn't care that much. 243 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,480 Yeah, he's in his like slow dad run phase. 244 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,940 Yeah, he's speaking of inoffensive. 245 00:12:04,940 --> 00:12:07,680 How did you feel about Mia's mom's broken English? 246 00:12:07,980 --> 00:12:12,240 Clearly, she's a native English speaker trying to do broken. 247 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,940 Yeah. Oh, God, that is rough. 248 00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:16,540 Yeah, it's like, please don't do that. 249 00:12:16,540 --> 00:12:19,440 Like, hmm, maybe I am a soft boy. 250 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,880 I don't know if I can handle listening to this. 251 00:12:22,140 --> 00:12:25,580 Like borderline races. 252 00:12:25,580 --> 00:12:30,340 I did. So you guys know how much I hate whenever like there's a large time jump 253 00:12:30,340 --> 00:12:33,740 and everyone like look the exact same. 254 00:12:34,140 --> 00:12:37,540 I do appreciate that the detective they let have a little stubble. 255 00:12:38,380 --> 00:12:40,080 Yeah, that's nice. That's good. 256 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,380 Yeah. The passage of time really working hard on growing a beard. 257 00:12:43,380 --> 00:12:45,140 He sucks at it, apparently. 258 00:12:45,140 --> 00:12:47,300 Yeah. Well, maybe they have rules. 259 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:48,800 Yeah. Stupid cops. 260 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,000 Cops don't have rules. 261 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,300 Speaking of stupid cops, 262 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:55,500 that cop at the carnival when he's telling him 263 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:58,240 and that cop just like, I don't know, maybe he went home. 264 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,140 Fucking stop bothering me. 265 00:13:00,140 --> 00:13:02,940 It's like you think I got to I got to care about a kid being lost. 266 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:04,040 Yeah. Fuck you. 267 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,840 We're right back to bad cop. 268 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,840 And I would say bad kid. 269 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:08,680 Yeah, I agree. 270 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:10,500 I'm just going to jump into that right here. 271 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:13,200 It probably wasn't his fault so much, but you know. 272 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:14,140 What Charlie? 273 00:13:14,140 --> 00:13:17,200 Well, he didn't like choose to get abducted by the witch. 274 00:13:17,700 --> 00:13:18,600 Hey, man. 275 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,280 He was just sitting there looking all juicy and Protestant. 276 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,840 That which is definitely going to take him. 277 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,680 I'm assuming he's like, you know, probably. 278 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,180 I said, yeah, I don't know what a Protestant looks like. 279 00:13:28,340 --> 00:13:32,600 I was like, I kept getting tripped up by Charlie's room because it's just like, 280 00:13:32,780 --> 00:13:35,000 here's the child's room starter pack. 281 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,600 Here's dinosaurs. 282 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,240 Here's animals. 283 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,000 Here's an Iron Man. 284 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,600 Here's like sports wallpaper. 285 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,680 I'm like, none of those things go together. 286 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:46,600 But it's just like a wall runner. 287 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,280 Like, yeah, it's like trim. 288 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,240 It's a false horizon for your bedroom. 289 00:13:54,340 --> 00:13:57,800 This movie was weird to me because like it is bad. 290 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,700 Like, it's not a good movie by any means, but I did not have a bad time watching it, 291 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:03,980 which is a very strange thing to kind of square. 292 00:14:03,980 --> 00:14:05,880 Like, I wasn't sad about it. 293 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,380 I didn't like get offended in a major way. 294 00:14:08,940 --> 00:14:10,240 The CG was fine. 295 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,940 You know, like the acting is pretty mid, but like nothing about it was like 296 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,600 this sucks, you know. 297 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,080 I mean, like I said, inoffensive, which I think is worse because it's just going to like 298 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,540 we're never going to think about this movie. 299 00:14:23,540 --> 00:14:25,000 The movie is going to be forgettable. 300 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,840 But it's funny because all the other people that we talk to who do cage podcasts are like, 301 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,540 oh, pay the ghost fucking sucks. 302 00:14:30,540 --> 00:14:32,840 And I was kind of like hyped for bad. 303 00:14:33,140 --> 00:14:35,700 And it was just I mean, I think. 304 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:40,980 And again, I think there's a argument that like something this mid is worse than something 305 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:45,380 so terrible that we could get like we can actually milk it for content. 306 00:14:45,980 --> 00:14:50,900 Yeah, they like fully missed the mark on being a good movie and a bad movie. 307 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,240 And what we ended up with was like Ghostnado. 308 00:14:55,740 --> 00:14:58,640 And I mean, you did get a ghostnado in there. 309 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,940 Yeah. Also, OK, I want to talk about I want to talk about blind sewer man. 310 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,380 Oh, yeah, please talk about blind sewer man. 311 00:15:05,380 --> 00:15:09,780 So when Nick Cage sees the pay the ghost side and like goes underground 312 00:15:09,780 --> 00:15:12,400 and finds this like unhoused encampment, 313 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,880 they seem to be led by this one blind guy with dreadlocks 314 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,700 who only speaks out of the corner of his mouth. 315 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:24,180 But like, you know, seems to know about like the ghost. 316 00:15:24,180 --> 00:15:27,000 And like it seems to be the only person who knows what's going on. 317 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:28,200 It's like, what does pay the ghost? 318 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,140 Means like, follow me. 319 00:15:29,140 --> 00:15:31,300 He like picks up a torch. 320 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:34,640 Blind guy just walks over to like a bucket fire bucket, picks up a torch. 321 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,740 No problem. 322 00:15:35,740 --> 00:15:38,840 And just wanders wanders Nick Cage through the hall. 323 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,300 Later, we find out the guy had a flashlight the entire time. 324 00:15:43,340 --> 00:15:45,380 Torch is way more dramatic, though. 325 00:15:45,380 --> 00:15:50,540 Yeah, I did like when he pulled out the flashlight later and hands it to Nick Cage 326 00:15:50,540 --> 00:15:52,380 and is just like, you'll need this more than me. 327 00:15:52,380 --> 00:15:55,180 It's like, well, wait a minute, let's go back to that torch scene 328 00:15:55,540 --> 00:15:58,980 where you Bogart in the torch, because this is during the day 329 00:15:58,980 --> 00:16:00,440 when he like goes down the first time. 330 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,080 But later on at night, when he's trying to, you know, get to the bridge 331 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,880 between worlds, that room that needed a torch fully lit. 332 00:16:07,180 --> 00:16:08,240 Oh, yeah, true. 333 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,940 Well, he had time like he knew Nick was going to be back. 334 00:16:10,980 --> 00:16:12,000 He fired up the generator. 335 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:12,780 Yeah. Yeah. 336 00:16:12,780 --> 00:16:16,180 This is another fucking weird only Sean cares about this 337 00:16:16,180 --> 00:16:18,180 because there's something wrong with my brain. 338 00:16:18,180 --> 00:16:20,440 I really hated that when they were having the dramatic 339 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,500 like scene in the tunnel with the torch, the source of light 340 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:24,940 is between the two of them. 341 00:16:24,940 --> 00:16:27,640 But you always see both their shadows cast behind each person. 342 00:16:28,140 --> 00:16:28,900 I didn't notice that. 343 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:32,080 I thought that was just showing that the like gateway was being opened 344 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,200 because then the witch does the jump scare or whatever, 345 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:36,840 because the shadows shift around behind him in that scene 346 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,300 and then the witch pops out. 347 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:40,000 And then it's the end of the scene because he's like, 348 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,480 well, I think it's time to. 349 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,400 Well, I think it's time to go. 350 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,340 Yeah, it's also behind that guy. 351 00:16:45,340 --> 00:16:49,100 I don't know what else this DP has done, but I don't think he's 352 00:16:49,580 --> 00:16:51,240 yeah, getting a whole lot of work. 353 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,100 I didn't do a good deep dive into 354 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:55,680 to what anyone did from this. 355 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,840 I couldn't even tell you who directed this movie. 356 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:58,900 Yeah, OK. 357 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:02,100 Turns out it was the side mouth itself. 358 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:02,900 So I hated his. 359 00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:05,480 Homeless. I hated his white guy dreads, 360 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,700 but I think I've just got a bias against white guy dreads. 361 00:17:08,180 --> 00:17:11,080 Unless you're Perry Farrell in 1989, you can't pull them off. 362 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:12,840 But that was pre Internet. 363 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,040 So yeah, it's OK to have dreads pre Internet. 364 00:17:16,380 --> 00:17:17,980 Now post Internet. Look at Perry Farrell. 365 00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:19,000 It's not good. 366 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,180 It's getting in fights with Dave Navarro on stage. 367 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,400 Yeah, everybody knows Perry Farrell can't take Dave Navarro. 368 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:26,400 Look at it. 369 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,600 I mean, Perry Perry Farrell waited till after Dave's long covid. 370 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,100 So maybe that's when he thought he should take a shot. 371 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,480 So in this movie also ends with fucking sequel bait 372 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:43,080 with his like research assistant who has like been impaled on rebar 373 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,800 coming back to life, conveniently left out in the middle of the college commons 374 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:56,140 just thrown out of a window into a nobody noticed square. 375 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,240 Just here's where we keep our rebar. 376 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,500 When I was watching this movie and we got to the end there 377 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:05,900 and like they pull the kids out of the fucking gate. 378 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,280 I was like, oh, man, that kid is never going to act right again. 379 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:12,340 Like his life is fucked. 380 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,840 And then immediately, oh, we were just at the carnival. 381 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,300 It's like, oh, wait, no, no. 382 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:19,800 Convenient memory loss. Yeah. OK. 383 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,500 Because you're right. No trauma here. 384 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:23,080 So jacked up. 385 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,880 We finally got back to it. 386 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:25,880 It's been a year. 387 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,840 The kid has no memory of being abducted for a year. 388 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,880 So he just thinks it's the same fucking day. 389 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,940 Yeah, except somehow dad's wearing different clothes, not dressed like a cowboy. 390 00:18:36,940 --> 00:18:38,540 Kids don't pay attention. 391 00:18:38,540 --> 00:18:41,000 Yeah. Right. What happened to your cowboy costume? 392 00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:44,200 I'm assuming pictures of data missing from the home. 393 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,300 Like there's been a year of estranged relationship. 394 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:48,300 It's a good point. 395 00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:53,080 Mom's a discarification now because she's got like a big mother maiden crone 396 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,740 brand on her. 397 00:18:54,740 --> 00:18:56,780 All of his friends are going to be a year older. 398 00:18:56,780 --> 00:18:59,880 Like cops are going to have questions. 399 00:19:00,140 --> 00:19:01,200 I was thinking about that, too. 400 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,640 Like what does Nick Cage explain to the cops? 401 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,300 He brings three children back from the underground magically. 402 00:19:07,300 --> 00:19:09,440 And it's just like, don't worry about it. 403 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,740 I saved the day. 404 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:13,680 What's that kid going to think when he finds out that some lady 405 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,780 died in his bedroom while she while he was gone? 406 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:18,940 Just burned from the inside out. Yeah. 407 00:19:18,940 --> 00:19:20,480 I don't know, man. Just smoked. 408 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,800 It's like, why does my room smell so funny? 409 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:29,440 Yeah, it's just it's such a weak little thing at the end. 410 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,500 The story has like promise. 411 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:38,640 It was just so poorly executed, I feel that like there's plot holes all over. 412 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,900 There's the need for those large exposition dumps like it 413 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:44,680 needs so much. 414 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:50,440 Even when you break down the aspects of a horror film and like Nick Cage 415 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,500 getting blamed for like the kid going missing, like it would make sense 416 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:56,700 if he was a negligent father, if he wasn't paying attention, 417 00:19:56,700 --> 00:19:59,540 but he was just buying his kid an ice cream while holding the kid's hand. 418 00:19:59,540 --> 00:20:02,480 Like there's no arc to like Nick Cage's character. 419 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,100 Like he doesn't learn a lesson because of any of this. 420 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,300 Nope, nothing at all. 421 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:09,680 Just like we didn't learn anything. 422 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,240 I mean, we learned we don't like this movie. 423 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,000 I learned that pagan rituals are being carried out by school 424 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,300 teachers in the alleyways of New York. 425 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:19,800 I mean, that sounds accurate. 426 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,980 During that scene, did anyone what does anyone else like 427 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,040 Nick Cage is going to kick a woman? 428 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,600 Oh, man. 429 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:30,400 That would have been hilarious. 430 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,900 He just roundhouse kicks her into the fire. 431 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,280 He didn't give us good enough information. 432 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,740 Sister Beach shows up in a bear costume again, because it's Halloween. 433 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:42,900 He's like, oh, not again. 434 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:46,240 I've seen this movie. Wow. 435 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,240 All right. Any final thoughts on this sucker? 436 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,280 I wish it was worse. 437 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,880 I kind of wish it was worse, too. 438 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,240 Yeah, I don't think this would I think pushing this into the 439 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,940 it's a better movie category makes it still just sort of like a soft better. 440 00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:02,900 I think if you went really like worse, worse, it would be fun. 441 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,440 Yeah, you would need some like serious talent behind this to make it good. 442 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,580 Like like that guy who made The Witch. 443 00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:15,300 If he rewrote and redirected and changed most of this movie, 444 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:17,780 then that would be great. 445 00:21:17,780 --> 00:21:18,840 But kept Nick Cage. 446 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,780 I did have this one thought about this film, and I'm kind of going to try 447 00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:22,980 and carry it forward. 448 00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:27,380 Well, now this had been a better thought to have like in the 32 or 64. 449 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,040 It doesn't really make sense in the Master Eight scene is we know 450 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,340 we like these films at this point. 451 00:21:32,340 --> 00:21:36,780 But just I was thinking like, why is Nick Cage in this movie? 452 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,400 Like he brings nothing to this film. 453 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,740 The only reason he's here is because he's a name. 454 00:21:41,740 --> 00:21:43,300 He is the only name in this film. 455 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:46,240 Like you're only going to watch this movie because Nick Cage is in it. 456 00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:48,800 But yeah, he's just a working actor. 457 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,140 Nothing in this film. 458 00:21:50,140 --> 00:21:54,500 So it could have been any other schlubby dad in this film. 459 00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:55,800 And the film would have been the same. 460 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,200 Oh, yeah, they definitely put out like shotgun sprayed 461 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,040 this to every like talent agent or whatever. 462 00:22:03,340 --> 00:22:05,780 And Nick Cage was the first one to raise his hand. 463 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,840 He's like, oh, yeah, I did buy something last week. 464 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,040 I need to pay this off. 465 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,140 This makes sense for him. 466 00:22:12,140 --> 00:22:15,380 I saw like a nine second, like little interview clip of him talking 467 00:22:15,380 --> 00:22:18,880 like about being inspired by the exorcist for this film. 468 00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:21,180 And I'm like, you almost had it. 469 00:22:21,180 --> 00:22:23,940 If you would have cut out the ghost NATO maybe. 470 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,740 Ghost NATO, man. 471 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,900 I'm just oh, that was the other thought I had during the end of this movie 472 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:34,600 when the ghost NATO started, I'm like, this is how Ghostbusters ends. 473 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,100 Yeah. Also, wait, pay the ghost. 474 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:40,040 What are they? Oh, they're paying the ghost with their children. 475 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,500 That's yeah. 476 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,700 I was like, what are they paying the ghost with my children? 477 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:46,300 Yeah, I thought there was going to be some like balancing of scales with that. 478 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:50,600 But no, it's just about paying her back for her kids getting burned at the stake. 479 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,840 Now, is she stopped? 480 00:22:53,940 --> 00:22:56,880 Like, I mean, we know like, no, she's back. 481 00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:59,180 She's alive in the in the league. 482 00:22:59,740 --> 00:23:04,100 But it's like the ghost back like, well, like, is she still a ghost 483 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:10,400 or is she now in the body in the corporeal world in that lady's body? 484 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,180 We'll have to wait for the signal what her boobs are like, 485 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,400 because, you know, I assume women would be interested in that, too. 486 00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:19,500 I've seen that adult documentary. 487 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:21,840 Yeah, I think my recommendation is don't watch it. 488 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:25,700 But if it's on TV at a bar or something in the background, 489 00:23:25,780 --> 00:23:28,540 pay slight attention because it's kind of fun and stupid. 490 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,380 Yeah, that seems fair. 491 00:23:30,380 --> 00:23:35,380 It's not super interesting as far as bad movies go. 492 00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:39,280 But it's not good enough to like demand your attention. 493 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,380 No couple of fun little scares. 494 00:23:41,380 --> 00:23:45,380 But otherwise, toothless, toothless is a good word for it. 495 00:23:45,780 --> 00:23:48,640 All right. So next episode, when we're back, 496 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,940 we're going to be back to the regular bracket back to the master eight. 497 00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:55,540 It's going to be a little bit of a different format again, because why not? 498 00:23:55,540 --> 00:24:01,620 And first up, we've got the the action head to head of Conair and Red Rock West. 499 00:24:02,020 --> 00:24:04,120 Fuck, yeah. Only bangers from here on out. 500 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,520 It's true. It's all good shit from here on out. 501 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,940 Get ready to have strong opinions, 502 00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:12,740 because we're probably going to offend you somewhere. 503 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,480 Yeah. I mean, if we haven't yet. Good. 504 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,180 So here's a thought I had recently. 505 00:24:19,180 --> 00:24:22,280 If we do the live record for the last episode, 506 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,980 Peter can't edit out any of the things we say. 507 00:24:26,940 --> 00:24:29,840 We're not doing a live record of anything. 508 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,020 Peter doesn't trust us that far. Come on. 509 00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:35,440 All right. Well, thanks for listening, everybody. 510 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,980 If you want to chat with us on social media, it's cage underscore match underscore pod. 511 00:24:39,340 --> 00:24:43,520 We are on Patreon at cage match and special thanks to our Sparkle buddies, 512 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,380 Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam and Bill, and to our cage dancers, 513 00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:50,780 Ira, John Freeman, Lance, Nathan and Cameron. 514 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:53,720 Whoo. Still got it. Nice. 515 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,320 That was close. It's been a while. 516 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,680 Yeah. Join us to Master 8. Yeah. 517 00:25:01,060 --> 00:25:03,060 Master 8 with us. 518 00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:05,720 Bye. I don't get it. 519 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:11,360 Bye bye. 520 00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:16,280 Yeah. Yeah. 521 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,660 The I think that was from the great escape is what they lampooned in that. 522 00:25:19,660 --> 00:25:21,020 But yeah. Yeah. 523 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:22,320 I couldn't remember. 524 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,980 This would have been before Mission Impossible. 525 00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:27,220 The movie is that's the like, done, done. 526 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:28,820 No, that's a different song. Never mind. 527 00:25:28,820 --> 00:25:30,160 No, that was it. 528 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,520 Was it? That's the one. 529 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,320 Yeah. Yeah. But for. 530 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,660 All right. So we don't have the rights to it. 531 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:38,860 Ah, shit. They're going to come for us. 532 00:25:38,860 --> 00:25:41,080 A movie from 1945. 533 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:50,080 We're almost there.