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What you are listening to is real. The participants are not actors. They are real people with a case pending in Podcast Court.

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Hello, I'm Producer Peter and welcome back to Cage Match, a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage, Podcast Court.

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Today's case is between a man with a penchant for heavy metal and really bad Eric Estrada jokes, and a man who knows his alphabet a little too well.

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Oh god.

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Oh my god.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

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Fuuuuuuuuck.

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Perfect. Sean, I think your audio sounded great last episode too. I don't know if you listened to it, but...

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I have touched nothing.

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Great. That's exactly what we want then.

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That's how I prefer you live your life. Touching nothing.

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Touching nothing and no one.

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No hearts, no spirits, no bodies.

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Especially no spirits.

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That's fucking why I skipped town.

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Well, welcome back Lauren.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, thanks for being our last minute filth.

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Yay, woo!

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Oh great, I'm so glad I'm a ringer.

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Yeah, well it's kind of funny too because we've never had the same person in the same part of a bracket come back.

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So you are a special case here.

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So you are twice in the slicks team.

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Double, double slick.

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Yes, slide right off your chest.

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Gross.

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You made that phrase up. This is it. Your words, your words.

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It's true, we did. I mean you can thank Nick for any naming conventions.

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Not Nick's team though. I think I said this last time too.

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Well, I mean, the way we're collecting Knicks, we'll eventually be able to do this again, but with Knicks.

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It's true. I would have liked to have pulled in at least one more Nick this run.

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Oh, I see. I think we could probably do a Knicks team.

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Yeah, part of the stipulation of being a guest on your podcast should be that you legally change your name to Nick.

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That would be good.

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Yeah, that's reasonable. I mean I was supposed to name either of my children Nicholas Michael Gearhart.

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Tennessee.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Noonan Nesvig.

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Yeah, right.

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Nunesvig.

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Nunesvig, right.

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Ooh, hi Noon.

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Nesnan.

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One of these days somebody is going to name their child Nicholas Michael Gearhart.

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Tennessee.

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Thank you for remembering Poonin Q Noonan.

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Poonin, forgot about Poonin Q Noonan.

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Thank you for putting your respect on Poonin Q Noonan's name.

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To this day, the funniest, the hardest I've laughed out in public.

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Wasn't that like just a random letter? Just like a weird mail?

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Speaking of weird mail, fucking government came after me for fucking thousands of dollars this week.

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Oh, lame.

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Probably we should kill a CEO about it.

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It worked for health care.

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Yay!

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When I first called they're like, your wait will be 35 minutes. Would you like us to call you back?

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I'm like, yes. And then I called them back and they're like, cool, we're going to transfer you the billing.

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Then the machines like your weight is going to be 65 minutes.

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Please hold.

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Oh, did they have like that one 10 second loop of like bad jazz too?

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Sounds like it was recorded in a dishwasher.

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Oh, no. The absolute worst one is anyone here at USAA.

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Have you ever seen the USAA commercial with their little jingle?

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It's just that on loop.

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That's like how low V and like now I will treat like now I will train every listener to absolutely hate this sound and like want to punch something every time they hear it.

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Speaking of annoying noises that waste your time. Welcome back to Cage Match.

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Yay!

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I'm Sean, my co-host.

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Nick.

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And our producer.

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I'm Nick.

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Peter, hello.

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And our last minute save returning guest.

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Lauren Freeman.

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Welcome back.

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So Lauren, you had the delightful realization that the Vampire's Kiss movie is the one that all the memes are from.

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Had you never seen it before?

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I hadn't. No, most. Okay. Literally most of these movies like I hadn't seen before.

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So you have given me the gift of having having to watch them.

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I didn't end up watching Mandy, by the way.

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I wanted to. And then I saw a review that was like this movie is not for the faint of heart.

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It was like dark out and I was like, it sounds like a scaly movie.

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But I did watch a shit ton of like YouTube trailers and clips and like him talking about it.

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There's like analysis videos everywhere.

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So I feel like I did my homework.

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Yeah, that sounds like you did a good job.

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It is kind of like a creepy movie.

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It's a little unsettling.

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I do this thing like if a scary movie is interesting to me and I want to see it, I will just do the like just see as many clips that are allowed on the Internet or like analysis videos that are allowed on the Internet or just like reading plot summaries.

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So I feel like I got the experience.

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This is also how I consumed like mid-Somar and like hereditary.

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Like I'm like, oh, that sounds scary.

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I'll just watch some little clips on my phone so it's not like immersive.

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If I watch it small, it can't hurt me.

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Cheddar what?

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I love Cheddar.

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Oh, you don't know Cheddar.

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If you haven't seen them, you would.

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I'll watch it while it's daylight.

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It's a Goblin.

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Cheddar Goblin is they made a commercial for like a mac and cheese is sponsored by a Goblin.

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Yeah, it's Cheddar Goblin brand and it barfs mac and cheese on children.

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Oh, Jesus.

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I just love the idea that they were on set and they were doing this like, you know, very arty kind of scary movie.

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And then they're like, what if we have a dumb Cheddar Goblin commercial in the middle of it?

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Why the fuck not?

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Do you guys know a puppeteer?

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I know a puppeteer.

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I just love Nicolas Cage staring at it and then being like Cheddar Goblin.

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That was a really good Nicolas Cage.

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I assume you've all worked up a really good impression by now.

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You know, what's kind of amazing and very disappointing is when we do the tabletop RPG, I'm going to have to do Nick Cage voices and I'm just they're all going to be this.

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Or just like every like speaking of speaking of all the means you just have to like recite everything in the like alphabet recitation voice.

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Give me a perception jack.

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I like that.

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I think I can handle that.

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Peter Lowe, I think I could probably channel weird affectation.

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That's like unhinged to you.

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I was a little drunk and I was horny.

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It's like halfway to Zoolander.

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It's like just like a little it's like what Zoolander became.

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But it's like never go to Zoolander.

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It's fucking accent.

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So this was sight unseen for you.

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What was your takeaway?

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Like, I mean, it's a it's a real wild movie.

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It's a wild fucking ride.

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I didn't realize like I thought that my interpretation of it was like, oh, well, that's I mean, maybe this is how everybody works.

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And then I like watch this like commentary.

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There's like, you know, the commentary track with the director and Nicholas Cage on Vampire's Kiss is like a commentary track on like the DVD or whatever.

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There's several, several times of them being like, well, we don't really know what it's about.

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Do you know what it's about?

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I don't know what it's about.

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And we made it like fucking like I thought that I was like I had this like elevated like, oh, it's obviously about addiction.

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It's not cocaine.

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It's not some way that like misery is about like, oh, she's your biggest fan.

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And like and then I'm like looking online to see, like, confirmation that like this is what they intended when they made this movie and like nobody else, nobody else.

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Well, what's interesting is everybody's had a different take.

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You know, our first guest, Gary and Rocks, they were like full on, he is an actual vampire, you know, Sean's take is a little more like he has rabies because he probably got bit by a real bat.

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I think he was just a little drunk and a little horny.

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Who amongst us hasn't been?

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I think business just kind of broke him.

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It's that middle management, like throw yourself out a window moment.

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Well, it's like, and it's also about like just being lonely and isolated.

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And he wants clearly wants a part of some relationship.

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He wants some relationship.

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I like at this point watching it, I was my kind of takeaway this time was just like,

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is this therapist even real?

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Like is any of any of those scenes real or is that just hallucinations?

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Because we have clear proof that it's a hallucination later.

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So like, right.

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Yeah. It makes you sort of reflect back and go like, was any of this fucking.

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But then he hallucinated her with that like beefcake.

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Because at least she has a scene where she exists outside of him.

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But he could be imagining it because he's still calling her.

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And like the one woman in his life who gives him like all the attention,

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like does he imagine her with another man or is that real?

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Because that just seems like such an odd like detail to throw in.

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Right. And that would be his worst case scenario.

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Like if he's in crisis, her being with another like much hotter,

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much younger man with a towel around his neck would still be his like worst.

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You know, like, no, you're supposed to prioritize me only.

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Sure. No, ask. It's a look that I'm not sure I could pull off.

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I'm sorry. No, sure.

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As God.

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I think you're currently pulling off the look of Sean's just out here living like shirtless.

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As got life.

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Oh, yeah. There you go.

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Wish there's a guy in my office who pulls up and has got and it upsets me.

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No. Yeah. Fucking great.

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And I, you know, I'm just like, I just since just moving to Portland, I'm in the office more.

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I've gotten like hard on like wildfang apparel because I'm like, I need I need to have something

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and I got to compete with Ascot guy and I want to be the fanciest fanciest lad here.

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The fanciest boy.

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I just I'm not I'm not confident enough for an Ascot.

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I don't have that Freddy from Scooby Doo confidence.

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We all have an Ascot within us, Sean. You can get there.

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Yeah, that's beautiful.

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Within every person, there is an Ascot waiting to come out.

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I think there are two Ascot's.

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I do like the idea of just getting more and more confident and Ascot just sort of like blooms.

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Like it starts out as like a like a thread, just like a little string.

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No one can see it. And then, yeah, it just slowly like blossoms.

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I think you should misunderstand the assignment and go dressed as a mascot.

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Oh, or what if you just get like a mascot costume of your coworker with a bigger Ascot?

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So you could be an Ascot mascot.

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Oh, this this I want to do.

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Unhinged.

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But with a big felt head.

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All right, Lauren. So give us the quick summary of this movie.

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OK, so let's see. So Peter Lowe played by Nicolas Cage is a arguably high powered

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executive literary agent in Manhattan, who's somehow raking in an insane amount of money

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as a literary agent.

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But since he's in a suit and lives in New York, that means he's a high powered corporate executive fellow

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with an assistant who he cannot help but abuse at every opportunity.

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He's a womanizer.

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He's a womanizer. He on one of his dates, a bat flies in through his window and he gets super

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horny up about it, tells his therapist who's like, that's nothing. Don't worry about it.

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Goes on, goes on, goes at the bar to pick up a different woman

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and meets question mark. Maybe she's real.

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A lady named Rachel, who he takes back to his place and she immediately bites his neck,

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which he's also super horny up about.

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And then that's maybe the first 10 minutes of plot.

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And then everything else is just absolute unhinged unraveling of Nicolas Cage, the

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inventing the caricature of Nicolas Cage so early in his career, fresh out the gate,

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fresh off a moonstruck, he just went bonkers. Just the dissent like the rest of the movie is

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just absolute dissent into madness.

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It is a terrific little spiral that he sends himself down on. And I think with my watches,

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like mental break. I really like when he's just talking to her and it's so I think he's middle

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middle management, not super high powered because of the quality of his kitchen.

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His kitchen is like really bad.

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There is notably a roach in his kitchen.

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Yeah, a water beetle.

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Right. But what were you going to say?

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Oh, and he's just like holding that coffee over the bed. It's like, oh, man, your bed's going to

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have like such a gross stain when you spill all that coffee on it.

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You're going to have to like try to have sex on top of that coffee stain.

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I'm pretty sure he doesn't have sex again in that movie.

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Well, he gets bitten again and they reuse the same footage from the previous bite.

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Well, part of that is because he was really not hornt up for Jennifer Beals, like not into her at

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all. Just super soft.

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Not that we needed to see anything beyond faces in the shot.

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It is important, though, like it breaks the immersion if I know he doesn't have at least.

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Yeah, just so it's semi.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that kind of works, though, for the fact that she's not real, like it's just reusing the

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same footage. So like I always assume like he met this woman and then started fantasizing about her.

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And then when he meets her again at the end of the movie and she has no idea who he is.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because none of it was real.

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And at the point where he meets her again, he's.

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That's crazy.

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He also killed a woman.

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Also killed a woman.

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And I those two things.

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Yeah.

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But I absolutely love the little detail of him putting the fake plastic teeth back in his mouth

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after he bites the woman.

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After barfing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Also, like in the in that scene, like I feel like I've heard people debate about like,

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well, those like those stupid teeth, like he couldn't have possibly done any damage.

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Like, obviously, he took them out and like you can do damage even with human teeth,

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biting somebody in the jungle.

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But like it's clear, like the makeup effects is like for like human teeth marks.

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Like they made sure to do like for, you know, like dull teeth marks.

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Right.

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Yeah, like.

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And there I mean, it's there is the very like slow like he turns around face covered in blood.

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And you just seem like pop the teeth back in.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They were paying attention.

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Right.

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I love I love that.

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I mean, I truly can't imagine why how you could come away from the movie thinking that he did,

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in fact, turn into a vampire because I feel like the movie is so clear, like so fucking clear.

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Like this man is just insane.

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He's just insane.

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Insane, he's just insane, like the like reflection moment where he's like, where am I?

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Oh, Christ, where am I?

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Like, like with like seven different reflections visible in the shot, like six different like

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reflections of reflections is like, no, you're right there, buddy.

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Hey, bud.

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Hey, bud.

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We can you're there.

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I think this movie really suffers from its reputation and people just saying how like how bad it is.

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Because if you have to watch it critically, which I've had to now four times, it's got it's got it's

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got a through line start to finish.

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It's not a long movie.

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So it's a pretty it's a pretty tight film.

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So yeah, I think that people are just like, oh, he's a vampire.

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Oh, this movie is terrible or like unhinged.

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It's like you're only watching the means you're only watching like that the performance side of it.

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You're not actually paying attention to the whole movie holistically, which yeah, I don't think

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it's a hard film to follow.

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And I don't think it's difficult to like understand what's going on.

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No, and I think I think that's a benefit of it.

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So I watching it like it was like, oh, this is this is basically like parallel to American Psycho.

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Like this is just like high powered executive in Manhattan is bad to people and goes down

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just descends into madness and violence.

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And, you know, because because who he is, like somehow he just goes off the deep end.

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But I think so, A, this came out before American Psycho.

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So this potentially inspired it.

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But B, I love the fact I feel like in a world where people can take Fight Club seriously

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or take Joker seriously and go like, yeah, that's my guy.

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Like, I'm supposed to root for this narrator.

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I'm supposed to identify with this man.

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Like in a world where people can do that, I appreciate I appreciate the fact that in

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this movie they're like, he's an insufferable man, baby.

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You are not allowed to like him.

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He is objectively unlikable.

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Like, do not root for this man.

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He's awful.

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I think they want you to relate more to the character and maybe think about what that

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means for you as a person.

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But most people can't think critically.

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Whereas with Peter Lowe, you just have that great scene of I'm a vampire.

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I'm a vampire.

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I'm a vampire.

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I'm a running.

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Also, I heard that like that.

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So those all those shots like in public.

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This is incredible.

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Fucking insane is like those are long shots.

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Those are like the camera was way far away and those are real bystanders.

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And I feel like having so having moved to New York a couple a couple years ago,

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that shit is so true.

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Like, yeah, someone could be trucking down the street screaming, I'm a vampire.

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And you just go like, not my problem.

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I didn't see it.

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Yeah, it's Tuesday morning.

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I'm going to work right now.

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Right. Like I didn't see I'm not a snitch.

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I didn't see nothing.

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Like, yeah, fine.

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You're a vampire.

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Holy shit, though, he is really like terrifying.

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I'm just imagining being Alva in those situations.

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Like my favorite scene, I think, is him.

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He starts his head is down on his desk.

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Alva.

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Oh, my God.

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Alva.

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Oh, my God.

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Alva.

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And then he runs up, leaps onto the desk.

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Holy shit.

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There you are.

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It's like, holy fuck.

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Fucking terrifying.

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I mean, yeah, I do feel like like there's like so many failures of bystanders in her orbit.

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Like even even as she's getting like chased into the bathroom and there's an old lady

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who's like, what the hell is going on?

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Like, sorry.

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What is he doing in here?

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Do something.

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What?

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And like Peter Lowe throws that other secretary's shit on her floor and she's like, he's so eccentric.

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It's like, oh, God.

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But even in that bathroom scene with the old lady, Alva says, I have a gun.

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I will use it.

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And she's just like, what the hell?

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It's just like no concern whatsoever for a man being in the bathroom and a terrified

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woman saying she has a gun.

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Well, it's a man's world.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think Nick has the point of it.

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Yeah, I think that's what they were trying to say, like, because immediately after that

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bathroom scene, it's like the boardroom where they're like, she asked me for a raise.

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You know, which I think is like, thank you for being so unsubtle.

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Like, thank you, movie, for beating us over the head with the fact that we are not on

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these people's side.

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Like, lest they, you know, lest the audience take away the idea that this man is somehow

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someone to aspire to.

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He knows his alphabet, though.

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Oh, he sure does know his alphabet.

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Very good, Peter, you know, your alphabet.

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So, OK, now that you've seen the movie, is there like a context for a meme that you like

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the most or?

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Gosh, I mean, you know, the big eyes, the.

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Tilty face.

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Yeah, big eyes, tilty face.

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I mean, obviously, like, that's the classic.

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That's the one.

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But I actually did feel sort of a thrill going like, oh, this is the context for the yelling

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the alphabet, because like every time I'd seen that clip, it was like, what could possibly

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trigger someone yelling the alphabet at a sitting down woman?

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Like, what could possibly make this circumstance occur?

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So it's a filing issue.

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All right.

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I mean, it's not making a goddamn sense, but like, all right, I mean, I mean, I mean,

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all right, here's the context.

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Now I understand.

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Yeah.

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What a bonkers, what a bonkers movie.

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OK, no, I do want to talk about I want to talk about what y'all think is happening

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because I feel so certain that it's about cocaine.

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Cocaine makes you an insufferable man, baby.

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Like every problem he has is of his own making.

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I'm like, like every problem he has is of his own making.

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Like even the way he dies, he's like, do it, do it, please, please, please kill me.

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Yeah, I mean.

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Mescaline.

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I'm still convinced he has rabies because like I love that.

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I love that.

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Like there's the bat and then like.

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Descent into madness and bite somebody physically bite somebody.

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It's all like that's all there.

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But it's just like I think he's just lonely and clearly nobody cares about him,

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probably because he's an insufferable prick, but he's clearly having some type of mental break

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and just nobody seems to care.

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And I think he just wants any type of connection whatsoever.

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But then, like even when he gets even in the midst of his psychotic break,

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even as he is fucking talking to the corner of a building and thinking it's his drink,

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as as he gets set up with this imaginary perfect woman,

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instantly he starts being an absolute prick to her, too.

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Yeah, it's like he can't even not abuse his imaginary girlfriend like seconds later.

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Like he's not the victim here.

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No, he's not.

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I think my first read of it from the first time we watched it was just like

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that guy you see on the street corner just talking to no one like this is that story.

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Like this is how that guy got there.

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Yeah, like had.

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Right, right.

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Like he started somewhere and he had an arc downward.

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Well, I was I always think about like at the end when he's like dragging like the large chunk of.

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I'm just like, how come no one's concerned about that?

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And then last night I'm I'm in just hanging out in Portland,

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just standing on the street waiting to meet someone.

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Guy's just taking his axe for a walk and I'm like, that's not my problem.

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Because if you make it your problem, then it is a problem.

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Probably competitive axe throwing.

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That seems like something Portland would be into.

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This was an American psycho type like that axe is being put to some use.

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I mean, you could you could throw that axe to you, but.

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You can throw any axe if you put your mind to it.

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Or was it axe body spray?

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Axe body spray, because that's also concerning to see an adult man walking down the street carrying his axe body spray.

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What what are your favorite scenes from this movie?

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Oh, my God.

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I mean, I think the ones that specifically just dunk on the character as soon as he makes an assertion about who he is.

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Like, I feel like the movie is not on this man's side, and that is deeply satisfying to me

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because I think that they're specifically trying to make a movie about,

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you know, I keep saying this phrase insufferable man, baby, but like, you know, like, like they've set up this awful person that I don't want to root for.

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And then the movie just had a dunks on him, and I appreciate that.

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So like the scene where like all of the things that he thinks or all of the moments he thinks he's turning into a vampire.

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And then the movie immediately goes, no, you're not.

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Like, I think those might be my like just like the sunlight, you know, reaching his hand into the sun.

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Light and like making it like sound as if it burns him and then immediately like disproving that or like, you know, when he's like in the mirror, like touching his teeth and like checking to see if they've lengthened and then like, no, they have not.

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And then he goes to buy some fucking teeth.

456
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Another another Nick Cage movie where he doesn't have enough dollars.

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He's often very broke.

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Yeah.

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What about you, Sean?

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Favorite scene?

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Oh, I'm still so impressed by him doing the standing leap onto the desk and loafers like I'm just so from no running, no running start just from standing two feet on the ground to suddenly two feet on the desk like that's Olympian right there.

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Yeah, his box jump skills were pretty good.

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Across all of the like unpredictable vampire like scenes, I probably still like the scene where they're in the the cab and he's telling Alva like she's the one who's going to do the job.

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She's the one who's going to do the job and like he has those like little power trips, which I I just love him sitting there like even if you were even if there was one other person who worked here for one day longer, I'd still make you do it.

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He's such a fucking asshole.

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He's such a shit.

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And I love when he just kind of leans into that shitness.

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And you're right, Lauren. I think that the big key to this is that like he isn't likeable and they don't make it like, oh, you're kind of rooting for him. It's just like you root for him failing.

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You are like, yeah, this guy sucks. It's kind of fun watching him just absolutely eat shit and the tortures of the dead.

470
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Yeah, oh my God, that fucking line.

471
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:50,800
There's one thing in this movie I noticed this time that I never grok down before and it bothered me and I want other people's opinion on it when he takes when he goes to the museum with the girl he was out with.

472
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,160
Yeah, Jackie.

473
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,160
Jackie, she's wearing a wide brim hat.

474
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,440
Oh, yeah.

475
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,840
Like her hair sticking out the top wide brim hat.

476
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:00,880
It's a style.

477
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,400
It's a visor.

478
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,720
Yeah, it's just it's a really fancy visor.

479
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,840
And I'm like, this is weird. I don't know that I dislike it, but I don't understand it.

480
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:10,960
Okay.

481
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:11,520
It's the late 80s.

482
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,640
Fuck the ascot.

483
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,120
Crazy.

484
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:13,760
Do that now.

485
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,600
Yeah, you're now going to be the hat person.

486
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,920
Yeah, and like the poof out the top.

487
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,520
Put your hair out through the top.

488
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,000
Yes.

489
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,640
I like this a lot.

490
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:21,760
This is your vibe now, Sean.

491
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,400
I've worn weirder.

492
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,520
So good. Embrace it.

493
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:29,760
Yeah.

494
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,400
No shirt, though.

495
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Get the hat.

496
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,080
Never a shirt.

497
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:32,800
Yeah.

498
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,300
No.

499
00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:35,540
Just shirts are for cowards.

500
00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:36,980
Yeah. Let it be free.

501
00:28:37,780 --> 00:28:42,580
Oh, you know, I really like the part where he runs up to that guy at the church and he's like,

502
00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:43,860
pull out your rosary.

503
00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:44,980
Show me the cross.

504
00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:45,700
Burn me with it.

505
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:48,340
And the guy's like, I don't speak English and like turns away.

506
00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:54,740
It's every time I watch the movie, something happens and I'm like, oh, I wasn't expecting

507
00:28:54,740 --> 00:28:57,620
that even though I've seen it so many times and I know what's going to come.

508
00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:58,340
It's like, ah,

509
00:28:59,380 --> 00:29:02,580
I know the scene that always cracks me up and I always forget about it until I see it again

510
00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:06,100
is when he gets he gets the fake plastic teeth, he puts them in his mouth and he just.

511
00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:09,860
Hands and knees crawls off the cat out of the.

512
00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:11,300
That's so good.

513
00:29:12,260 --> 00:29:13,300
Toward some pigeons.

514
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:20,020
So the commentary also reveals how much of that movie is just Nicholas Cage doing an insane

515
00:29:20,020 --> 00:29:22,980
thing on a take and the director going, yeah, all right.

516
00:29:23,860 --> 00:29:24,980
Wait, click.

517
00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:28,740
So much of the commentary is just them is just them admitting to the fact that they were like,

518
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:31,140
and what exactly is this?

519
00:29:31,140 --> 00:29:32,980
And the other one being like, I don't know.

520
00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:40,420
Like, yes, I think the reason that it's so iconic is that they just gave him a free reign to like

521
00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:42,900
fucking do whatever and it stayed in the movie.

522
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:47,300
Like they're just like, yeah, all right, like your reflection burns you too, I guess,

523
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:49,860
or like putting in teeth means you crawl like what?

524
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:50,660
All right.

525
00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:51,460
Yeah, all right.

526
00:29:51,460 --> 00:29:52,100
Go for it.

527
00:29:54,340 --> 00:29:55,460
It's such a wild movie.

528
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:59,220
I just I don't think it could work in any other city than New York City.

529
00:29:59,220 --> 00:30:05,060
Like it you see crazy people in other cities, but there's something about New York City.

530
00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:06,180
And I agree with that, too.

531
00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:07,620
It could not be a different actor.

532
00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:14,260
I don't think there's any other movie that could do this either.

533
00:30:14,260 --> 00:30:21,460
Like this amount of just like absurdity that's unscripted and unlike practiced,

534
00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:24,340
just like open the floodgates and let something happen.

535
00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:32,260
I don't think any other movie could capture the same kind of just appeal and allure

536
00:30:32,260 --> 00:30:36,020
in doing this and like still work as a cohesive thing.

537
00:30:36,020 --> 00:30:36,520
Yeah.

538
00:30:36,820 --> 00:30:42,580
Lauren, if you could just give like your thesis why this movie deserves to go on,

539
00:30:42,580 --> 00:30:43,860
you know, what's your argument?

540
00:30:43,860 --> 00:30:44,820
What's your push?

541
00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:49,700
From what I've seen of Mandy, like, you know, pitting the two against each other,

542
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:51,620
like obviously the auteurship.

543
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:52,980
Without seeing Cheddar Goblin.

544
00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:55,140
Without having seen Cherry Goblin.

545
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:55,940
So like.

546
00:30:55,940 --> 00:30:56,900
So you're a pain in me.

547
00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:59,140
Take it with take it with a grain of cheddar.

548
00:30:59,140 --> 00:30:59,640
Yeah.

549
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:04,900
I think the auteurship of the director and the writer of Mandy,

550
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:08,900
it's clear that there's an artistic vision and I fucks with that.

551
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:10,180
Like that's great for me.

552
00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:11,220
I love that.

553
00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:19,780
However, if the criteria for moving forward in the in the bracket is quintessential Nicholas

554
00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:26,340
Cajerry, like this is it, this is the one like this is the one that's going to go to the end.

555
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:33,460
Like this is this is the most Nicholas Cage he's ever been and shall ever be and was allowed to be.

556
00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:37,540
I think other movies got in his way of being the batshit insane

557
00:31:37,540 --> 00:31:41,940
over the top fucking clown that he is and must be.

558
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:44,500
It's really just this and G-Force.

559
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:48,180
Get fucked, Sean.

560
00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:52,980
Don't make me think about boom boom pow ever again.

561
00:31:54,820 --> 00:31:56,740
Yeah, the Avarice case is quintessential.

562
00:31:56,740 --> 00:32:00,580
Like it is it is it is the the alpha and the omega.

563
00:32:00,580 --> 00:32:07,780
It is the birth of the Nicholas Cage identity that we all think of when we think of Nicholas Cage.

564
00:32:07,780 --> 00:32:12,900
Like that's the one like no question, no question at all.

565
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:17,220
Everything like the other the qualities of other films that are like good films,

566
00:32:17,780 --> 00:32:20,580
they're good for for other people's influence.

567
00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:22,900
But this one is good because of Nicholas Cage.

568
00:32:23,780 --> 00:32:24,420
That's awesome.

569
00:32:24,420 --> 00:32:28,180
I was just sitting here thinking like, oh man, if it hadn't been for Vampire's Kiss,

570
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:32,260
if Vampire's Kiss never happened, we never would have had Face Off or.

571
00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:33,540
Yeah, it's true.

572
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:35,140
I mean, that's a really good point.

573
00:32:35,780 --> 00:32:38,820
So Lauren, at this point, do you want to pitch anything?

574
00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:40,020
Thank you for being on, by the way.

575
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:43,140
I don't I don't have anything to pitch yet, I unfortunately.

576
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:47,140
But I've got an Instagram account that you're welcome to follow me at.

577
00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:48,900
It's freeman.band, f-r-e-1-e.

578
00:32:49,620 --> 00:32:50,660
Like the Fremen.

579
00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:51,620
Like the Fremen.

580
00:32:51,620 --> 00:32:54,900
Yeah, I had recently read Dune when I changed my last name and.

581
00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:57,220
That you can do that.

582
00:32:57,220 --> 00:32:57,940
They let you do that.

583
00:32:57,940 --> 00:32:58,980
You can just change it.

584
00:32:58,980 --> 00:32:59,940
You can just pick one.

585
00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:01,860
Two court dates in the state of Washington.

586
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:02,980
You can just be.

587
00:33:02,980 --> 00:33:05,620
You can your first name can be Nicholas Michael Gearhart.

588
00:33:05,620 --> 00:33:07,380
Oh, yeah, Nicholas Michael Gearhart.

589
00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:08,820
Michael Gearhart.

590
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:09,620
Michael.

591
00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:13,220
Michael or like McCauley Culkin Culkin McCauley.

592
00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:15,380
Yeah, exactly.

593
00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:17,780
What is it? McCauley McCauley Culkin Culkin.

594
00:33:17,780 --> 00:33:18,340
Yes.

595
00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:20,500
Yeah, that's so good.

596
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:21,860
That is a really good middle name.

597
00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:23,460
McCauley McCauley Culkin Culkin.

598
00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:27,140
Almost as good as Dunan Q.

599
00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:27,640
Noonan.

600
00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:30,980
You all can be Q.

601
00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:32,900
Awesome.

602
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:34,020
Thank you very much.

603
00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:34,820
Yeah, thank you, Lauren.

604
00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:36,660
Sorry for the weird time confusion.

605
00:33:36,660 --> 00:33:39,700
This is so fun.

606
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:42,100
Chris, you still working for the college?

607
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:45,000
Yeah.

608
00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:50,820
They brought me back after the pandemic and instead of doing maintenance stuff,

609
00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:56,820
they decided to put me as the undergraduate services coordinator for the psychology department.

610
00:33:58,660 --> 00:33:59,160
What?

611
00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:02,340
It's the weirdest shit.

612
00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:06,820
Like, so I don't know how much time we got, but I can tell you the story of how it happened.

613
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:09,940
That's mostly our podcast.

614
00:34:09,940 --> 00:34:11,380
So yeah.

615
00:34:12,980 --> 00:34:20,420
Like straight up year one of the pandemic, they go through like, all right, we got to sit down

616
00:34:20,420 --> 00:34:24,900
to college, everyone who's not essential or whatever, we're laying you off.

617
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:28,580
And the entire time I'm like telling him, hey, so I get it.

618
00:34:28,580 --> 00:34:33,700
But there are I've been there for at that point, I've been there for about maybe 13 years

619
00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:35,940
and had held several positions.

620
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:42,100
So they have a rule at SFSU where if you get before you get laid off, they put you in a position

621
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:44,420
that you were in previously, you know.

622
00:34:45,620 --> 00:34:48,340
So basically, they call it retreat rights.

623
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:53,860
They ignored this rule that they wrote in their own book and just cut my head off.

624
00:34:53,860 --> 00:34:54,360
Right.

625
00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:57,060
So I'm sitting on my ass for like most of the year.

626
00:34:57,060 --> 00:35:03,140
SFSU calls me, the union calls me and says, hey, so we made oopsie poopsie.

627
00:35:03,140 --> 00:35:04,580
We weren't supposed to lay you off.

628
00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:05,780
And you have two options.

629
00:35:06,580 --> 00:35:10,820
Take us to arbitration and you're most likely going to win because we shouldn't laid you

630
00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:12,660
off or you can have your job back.

631
00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:19,780
And I'm thinking like, well, I don't really like driving these computer cars and I want

632
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:20,500
some benefits.

633
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:21,140
So I'm like, yeah, sure.

634
00:35:21,140 --> 00:35:21,700
I'll take the job back.

635
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:22,200
Right.

636
00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:24,180
The union person is like, for real?

637
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:24,980
You want the job back?

638
00:35:24,980 --> 00:35:30,020
You like, I just told you that you can sue us and you're going to win.

639
00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:30,520
Win.

640
00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:33,460
No, I think I'll take the job back.

641
00:35:33,460 --> 00:35:34,100
Right.

642
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:38,660
And they're like, OK, I'm thinking like, I'm going to get my old position back where

643
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:40,340
I'm just like the guy with the hammer.

644
00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:40,840
Right.

645
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:44,580
And they say, well, that position doesn't exist anymore.

646
00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:45,700
We've literally dissolved it.

647
00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:47,620
We've outsourced hammers.

648
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:49,380
Basically.

649
00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:49,780
Yeah.

650
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:51,780
They outsourced the hammers on me.

651
00:35:51,780 --> 00:36:00,020
And the position that the position was created for me because there was no training in this

652
00:36:00,020 --> 00:36:00,420
department.

653
00:36:00,420 --> 00:36:02,340
It was like nobody to train me on anything, basically.

654
00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:03,460
I had to learn everything all on my own.

655
00:36:04,180 --> 00:36:05,460
I mean, it's pretty chill.

656
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:10,980
I'm almost certain that the game plan was stick me somewhere where nobody will bother

657
00:36:10,980 --> 00:36:16,980
me because the time limit on me taking in arbitration is like like a 10 year window.

658
00:36:17,780 --> 00:36:18,500
Oh, shit.

659
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:18,980
OK.

660
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:19,480
Yeah.

661
00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:21,060
Just leave them alone.

662
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:22,260
Let them do what everyone.

663
00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:23,620
Love that.

664
00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:23,940
Yeah.

665
00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:24,740
So it's pretty cool.

666
00:36:25,220 --> 00:36:25,700
Yes.

667
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:28,260
It's cool to get tenure over like a threat.

668
00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:29,540
Basically.

669
00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:30,100
Right.

670
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:31,220
Just the implication.

671
00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:34,340
I'm literally Ralph Wiggum here like I'm in danger.

672
00:36:38,020 --> 00:36:41,300
Welcome back to Cage Match, colon, a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage.

673
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:46,340
I'm Sean here with my co-host Nick and a producer Peter.

674
00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:47,220
Hello.

675
00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:50,100
And special guest and one of my oldest friends.

676
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:52,180
I think we figured 21 years.

677
00:36:53,380 --> 00:36:54,580
Chris Fields.

678
00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:55,220
Hey, man.

679
00:36:55,220 --> 00:36:59,380
Yeah, I'm going to say 15 because I don't want anybody to know exactly how old I am yet.

680
00:36:59,380 --> 00:37:02,100
You know, still kind of struggling with the mortality.

681
00:37:02,980 --> 00:37:05,940
You don't want to know that we're we are very much middle aged.

682
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:10,420
Well, the stories we have to tell suddenly have a different color to them

683
00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:12,020
when they realize the actual age we are.

684
00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:12,340
Right.

685
00:37:12,340 --> 00:37:12,840
Wow.

686
00:37:13,220 --> 00:37:15,780
That was like literally three years ago and you're still that stupid.

687
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:17,800
Yeah.

688
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,960
Yeah, I haven't gotten any smarter.

689
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:20,460
Nah.

690
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,720
Luckily, I have some sipping cream in the mini fridge.

691
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,120
So if I bust that out, don't mind me once in a while.

692
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,240
But yeah.

693
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,040
Sipping cream is only half and half.

694
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,520
Just got that joke.

695
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,240
A half and half.

696
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,560
Yeah, that joke at half and half, man.

697
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,160
I don't know if you guys are sponsored by anybody,

698
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,040
so I don't want to say exactly what kind of sipping cream it is.

699
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,320
But it's definitely a me kind of drink, Sean.

700
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,200
Tell me about your cream adventures.

701
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:46,520
All right.

702
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,280
I'm going to show it to you guys because you have the camera,

703
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,240
but because it needs to be like part of the whole setup.

704
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:56,040
It is a jar of egg or waffle sipping cream.

705
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:58,600
I saw this when it came out.

706
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,480
I have not tried.

707
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,400
Well, it tastes like an egg or waffle.

708
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,000
It tastes like an egg or waffle.

709
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,440
Judging by last night's sipping test, it definitely passes the mark.

710
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,000
Absolutely recommend it.

711
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,280
This is not a sponsor gig.

712
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,320
This is just me as a alcoholic connoisseur telling you that this is probably

713
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,720
one of the best sipping creams I've ever had in my life.

714
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:20,520
And I've had quite a few.

715
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,320
What is a sipping cream?

716
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,520
I've never heard this term.

717
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,320
It is so upset.

718
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,560
It's mood side, bro.

719
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:28,840
Okay.

720
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:30,280
It's just.

721
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,840
It is very creamy.

722
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,800
So it's got the mouthfeel of milk.

723
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,680
The mouthfeel of milk.

724
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,320
Yeah.

725
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:45,880
The mouthfeel of milk and the flavor of egg or waffle and the kick of a shot of bullet bourbon.

726
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,760
Oh, this is the perfect intro to discuss the movie Mandy,

727
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,320
because this conversation is just as unhinged.

728
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,360
I'm still waiting for hot dog water flavored ice cream.

729
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,080
Full tilt.

730
00:38:59,080 --> 00:38:59,720
One day.

731
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:00,360
Yeah.

732
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,360
I would love to be licking down on a creamy hot dog water cone.

733
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,240
Oh, God, that really yucked me out.

734
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:09,320
Real quick before we start discussing Mandy.

735
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,080
Chris, what is it you do?

736
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,240
Like, who are you besides a guy I met right after high school?

737
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:17,800
You mean besides the guy you met after high school

738
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,200
and the current undergraduate service coordinator for SS State University's psychology department?

739
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:22,840
I am also.

740
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,000
I love when people just straight up dox themselves on our podcast

741
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,760
because I'm about to get into some really fucking gross shit to talk about.

742
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,920
I already told you they can't touch me, guys.

743
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,280
In addition to that, I am also an e-sports analyst,

744
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,880
particularly focusing on fighting games.

745
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,680
I travel the world commentating and basically talking about video games for a living.

746
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,520
I most recently was spotted at Tokyo Game Show in October,

747
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,840
basically being a booth babe at the SNK booth for their upcoming release of Fatal Theory,

748
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,040
City of the Wolves.

749
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,400
Holy shit.

750
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,840
Yeah, man, they're making another Fatal Theory.

751
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,560
It's crazy, right?

752
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:00,120
I know.

753
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,040
I'm fucking so excited.

754
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:04,840
Yeah, it's awesome.

755
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,760
No, SNK invited me out.

756
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,720
They we hung out in Japan for a couple of weeks and

757
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,920
they paid me to basically stand in front around the booth, teach people how to play the game.

758
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,000
I'm glad one of us made it.

759
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,320
Did I?

760
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:19,960
Did I make it?

761
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,960
I mean, you're doing it.

762
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:22,680
I don't know.

763
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,560
You're doing stuff, too.

764
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,840
What are you talking about, man?

765
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,680
I'm talking about Nicolas Cage for.

766
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,480
Oh, that's true.

767
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,760
Yes, you are talking about Nicolas Cage.

768
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,360
I'm talking about the two people.

769
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,240
We've got more than 12.

770
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:34,200
Oh, that's right.

771
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,120
I was thinking about the toilet cams again.

772
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,320
Chris, have you seen Mandy before this?

773
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,040
I can't remember.

774
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,360
No, I hadn't seen it until you told me that we were going to do this show.

775
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,160
Because this seems something that would be up your alley from

776
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,080
our old getting trashed with Kevin and watching bad movies at 3 a.m. days.

777
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,040
Absolutely.

778
00:40:54,040 --> 00:41:02,360
You know, like I mean, if if it had been in my normal circle of streaming platforms,

779
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,400
I probably would have seen it already.

780
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,760
But it's on the Amazon platform, which is like a 50 50.

781
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,400
It's on Amazon or it's on Amazon as another subscription option.

782
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,200
Basically, right.

783
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:12,440
Right.

784
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:18,200
So I just it just kind of slipped under my radar because it was a pay option,

785
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,640
which is weird because that other cage movie that was basically

786
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,440
Five Nights at Freddy's was free on Amazon.

787
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,720
Will is Wonderland.

788
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:25,960
Yeah.

789
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,400
The superior of the films to like.

790
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,600
Oh, versus Five Nights.

791
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:30,840
Yeah.

792
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:31,080
Yeah.

793
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,960
Yeah, I have to agree with that.

794
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,880
And I didn't even see Five Nights with my daughter.

795
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,360
Then she was like, yeah, it's kind of kind of ass, you know.

796
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,720
Well, show her Willie's Wonderland.

797
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,800
That's a bad phrase.

798
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,000
Yeah.

799
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,480
Words that shouldn't come out of Sean's mouth.

800
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,560
You say hold on a second, brother.

801
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,400
That doesn't work for me, brother.

802
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,200
Yeah.

803
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,520
So what was your takeaway from Mandy for your first viewing of it?

804
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,520
I mean, it's this fucking wild movie.

805
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,040
It is extremely wild.

806
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,280
The first thing that I saw, first of all, I'm going to say I actually enjoyed it quite a bit.

807
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,080
I'm kind of biased, though, for a couple of reasons.

808
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:16,280
One love Nick Cage movies, good and bad, two huge heavy metal fan.

809
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,400
So the entire vibe of the movie was like, oh, yeah, we're doing it.

810
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,200
Fuck. Yeah, bro.

811
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,120
I'm right there all the way.

812
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,760
Is it heavy metal, the music or heavy metal, the animated film that you're a fan of?

813
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,000
The music mostly.

814
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:31,880
I mean, the film is.

815
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,080
Yeah, I like the film, too, but mostly just like the the the imagery and the vibe

816
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:43,640
that is created by most of the bands I listen to was kind of represented well in this movie.

817
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,320
And you get that right out the gate.

818
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,040
Like it's a very light, dark and like sludgy kind of opening.

819
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,240
And it felt like I'm listening to like some stoner metal band

820
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:57,720
in a rusty barn somewhere in Tennessee, basically, as I'm watching this movie.

821
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,400
My takeaway, though, is that I actually don't know why they called it a horror movie.

822
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,280
I felt more John Wick than I felt like slasher flick, you know?

823
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,840
Yeah, it's got the revenge vibe for sure.

824
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,760
I mean, an hour of the movie is revenge cycle, you know?

825
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,520
Right. For a two hour movie.

826
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,800
I guess you could say like the first act is about as horror as it gets because the vibe

827
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,680
is entirely just like tense.

828
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,880
Everything is just I guess the only way I can describe it as something feels off the entire time.

829
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:30,840
Like they seem happy.

830
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,160
The couple seems happy, but something seems off.

831
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,920
And I know something bad is going to happen.

832
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,240
But at every moment, almost every scene, it feels like it could happen at any moment.

833
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:39,960
Is it going to happen now?

834
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,240
Is it going to happen here?

835
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:46,520
And ultimately, it felt a little on the nose the way the incident occurred.

836
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:47,720
And we can get into that later.

837
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:52,360
But I don't I thought the movie did a good job of like building that tension.

838
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,080
This is definitely one of those movies that I don't really I don't feel really fits into

839
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,880
any singular genre, which is probably why it's some weird artsy film made by a director

840
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,160
who's only made two movies.

841
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,120
Of weird artsy films.

842
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,440
Right. Both artsy weird movies.

843
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,480
What was the other movie he made because I did some research.

844
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,560
Rambo. Yeah.

845
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,040
Yeah, that was like I have to I still have to watch that.

846
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,120
But I just remember reading about that thing and like, OK, this guy definitely doesn't

847
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,040
just make movies to be making movies, right?

848
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,840
Which is funny because he's working with Nick Cage, who makes movies to be making movies.

849
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,120
Something out of his system.

850
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Yeah, exactly. Something is moving through this man.

851
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:33,640
Nick Cage does the working actor thing, but every once in a while he'll he does stuff like

852
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,560
this too, because he genuinely like wants to do weird shit.

853
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,640
Absolutely. And it's a spectra vision, too.

854
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,640
So it's tied to Elijah Wood and, you know, he and Elijah are both like horror movies

855
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:44,280
and that kind of stuff.

856
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,840
So I don't think it was like doing a favor necessarily.

857
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,800
I think he really genuinely wanted to be in something like this.

858
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,680
He really chewed the scenery and like the role he plays is it.

859
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,960
At first, I was kind of like.

860
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:03,800
He's a little too mild mannered for me, so I couldn't really believe the unhinged.

861
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:09,640
I was I knew he was going to have the transformation eventually, but I was not sure I would believe it.

862
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,920
And then it happens and I'm like, oh, yeah, he's he's nailing it.

863
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,560
That man's falling apart.

864
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,240
That brain is falling off the bone, bro.

865
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,960
How did you like his knock knock joke?

866
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:26,520
Bro, just knock knock.

867
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:27,880
Who's there?

868
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,400
Erica Strada.

869
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,240
Erica Strada who?

870
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:33,240
Erica Strada from chips.

871
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:35,240
It was from she is.

872
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:36,280
She is.

873
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,280
I'm like, put some horny on that.

874
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,880
Every time I hear that joke, I'm like, this is just absurd.

875
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,880
Yeah, I think so.

876
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,920
I've got like mixed feelings on this movie just in general.

877
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:58,120
But the thing that I struggle with most is feeling anything about Mandy, the character,

878
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,960
like she's just kind of nothing to me.

879
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,480
And then he's also to your point, Chris, he's also kind of nothing to start with.

880
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:05,960
Right.

881
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,760
Like they're just sort of this like tame couple having a bland dinner and then like talking

882
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,360
about planets for a little bit and then falling asleep.

883
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,160
You know, it's like.

884
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:16,600
Cool.

885
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:18,760
They seem super happy, man.

886
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,720
They do seem happy.

887
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:20,760
I will give you that.

888
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,560
I will give you that.

889
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:26,040
I think it's less about the character, Mandy, and just like, you know, it's like, you know,

890
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:35,640
very milk toast, like safe couple gets their entire world fucked up and guy just snaps.

891
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:42,920
Yeah, I think you care more about Red and Red's like pain in losing Mandy.

892
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,320
Like Mandy doesn't have to mean anything to us, but it's what she meant to him that you're

893
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,600
supposed to care about.

894
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,160
Right.

895
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:51,800
That's fair.

896
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,760
I appreciate that she laughed at Jeremiah's penis.

897
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:55,320
Me too.

898
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,920
Yeah. So I was not super impressed by Jeremiah as a villain.

899
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,000
I pretty much called in my mind.

900
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,120
I called it immediately.

901
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,400
Oh, this is a guy that is absolutely paper thin, fragile, marshmallow.

902
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,360
No, he's a cult leader.

903
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:12,760
Right.

904
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,480
Not only laughing at his penis, but his music.

905
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,200
Oh, man.

906
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,320
Like, like, Sean, Sean, we know if you laugh at the music, you can't come over no more.

907
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:27,480
You and I know that I just love his immediate reaction to being laughed at was just to fucking

908
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,240
angrily jacket.

909
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,000
Yeah, it's like, knock it off.

910
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,600
I'm going to get real bad soon.

911
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,040
Starting to get upset.

912
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,200
Yeah, Jeremiah Sands album would be terrific.

913
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,760
Do you think they made I mean, they made fucking Cheddar Goblin for this.

914
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,080
Do you think they made a whole album of his music?

915
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,920
Cheddar Goblin is amazing.

916
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,440
Cheddar Goblin is amazing.

917
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,440
I thought there was should have been there should have been at least 80% more Cheddar Goblin.

918
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Honestly, like I absolutely love this film, and there's like a slow like there's a slow

919
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,840
build to the horror that, you know, the revenge aspect of it for the first hour.

920
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:05,960
Small attention to detail.

921
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,480
And then at a certain point, the movie just says, fuck it, we're done with the plot.

922
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,400
We're going to kill him.

923
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:17,560
And that is when for no reason, he is in a cave, smelting an actual monster.

924
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,680
Smelting an axe.

925
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:25,960
There are several points in this movie where I didn't fall asleep at all.

926
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,320
I was watching it all the way through it.

927
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,720
And there's several points in this movie where I'm like, wait, how the hell did we get here?

928
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,280
I'm still not sure how he flips the truck.

929
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,360
Right. Like that one.

930
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:36,840
What the heck?

931
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,320
The hellraiser dudes are just like extra strong.

932
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,120
I don't know.

933
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,360
I mean, a famous man once said cocaine is a hell of a drug.

934
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,640
So yeah.

935
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,040
And they were on some what?

936
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,160
That super meth or something.

937
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,640
Yeah. That weird gray Vaseline.

938
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,720
Super acid.

939
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,680
That the guy with the tiger made, I assume.

940
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:00,440
Yeah. The chemist.

941
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,440
Yeah. Because that's how he gets to the chemist because he

942
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,200
he has the vision after tasting it.

943
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:04,920
So yeah.

944
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,120
Which apparently unlocks your GPS powers.

945
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,040
The other 80% of the brain like guy just had like the most intense strength

946
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,200
that he never knew he had.

947
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,440
I was a little I was kind of hoping that the bikers were actually demons, though.

948
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,960
Like I kind of felt like they really sold like this guy's got fucking claws, bro.

949
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,480
Like he's touching his face.

950
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,160
He's got these super long claws on his fingers.

951
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,360
Like he's got to be an animal.

952
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,880
And it turns out now he's just on meth.

953
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,360
Right. Doesn't cut his nails like, oh, OK.

954
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,240
But they are summoned by the horn of a Braxis.

955
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:36,920
They are summoned by the horn of a Braxis.

956
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,440
They have superhuman hearing.

957
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,720
Which is an ocarina.

958
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,680
Oh, I love the horn of a Braxis.

959
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,880
It's so fucking dorky.

960
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:49,480
Yeah, I love the just like world of supernatural that exists around this film.

961
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,440
And you just buy into it because you're in the shadow mountains in 1983, I suppose.

962
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:54,920
Yeah.

963
00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,200
But the horn of a Braxis and the the pale blade of whatever the.

964
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,160
Oh, man.

965
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,560
What's called a strobe lights.

966
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,920
But yeah, and I like the like lighting cues that are just so like, I don't know,

967
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,000
they're very over the top, but it's like, oh, here's the.

968
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,840
Horn of a Braxis green supernatural light like flickering.

969
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,360
It lends something really interesting to the film for me.

970
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,320
So this is my first time watching this film in my new place.

971
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,920
I have a better set up where my TV is, where there's not a bunch of like outside light.

972
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:32,040
And I got some backlights from my screen so I can actually see better details in dark now.

973
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,120
I never noticed in the scene where Mandy's getting burned in the sack that like you can

974
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,280
see bits of her face through the sack through the fire.

975
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,320
Oh, shit. Really?

976
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,920
Well, you see, like, it's just like any of the things that you see in the film.

977
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:49,160
It's so much like it's so much worse, like actually seeing like aspects of a human body

978
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,120
in there. Yeah, that's that's fucking gnarly.

979
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,440
There's so many more little like details I noticed on this watch.

980
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,120
And I fucking I just love this movie.

981
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,880
It's weird and it's gross and I love it.

982
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,480
It's a weird, fun movie.

983
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:09,160
I will say, though, the way she died kind of felt like I mean, that was the way it had to happen.

984
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,200
Right. If you're going to set this man off, you make him watch her die

985
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,040
and they pick the most horrible way to do it.

986
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,240
But I also felt like, yeah, it was anticlimactic.

987
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,800
There was it was obviously supposed to be the trigger point.

988
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,520
And they they kind of rushed it, I guess.

989
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,200
I felt like I wasn't really like we were we mentioned earlier, we didn't really care about

990
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,280
Mandy, but it's not about us caring about Mandy.

991
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,680
It's about how Red chose about Mandy.

992
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:36,360
And I feel like they were really trying to hammer home that she's a plot device, guys.

993
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,800
Don't get attached. She's going down.

994
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,600
Even if you didn't read the synopsis, you know, it's coming.

995
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,200
Like one of the most like one of the most upsetting and triggering points of the film,

996
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,320
like the trigger point for the film is when Mandy dies.

997
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,320
That's immediately juxtaposed with Red in his tighty whities,

998
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,960
just screaming and stomping around.

999
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,240
That is so that was the part that sold me when he's just having the mental breakdown.

1000
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,920
Hits the hits the bottle goes right to the rod.

1001
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,080
It's not helping hits it again.

1002
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,480
Gets that bathroom hooch that bathroom hooch.

1003
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,240
He just immediately grabbed this.

1004
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:13,240
He's like, I'm gonna need this for a while.

1005
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:17,400
Yeah, man, like I felt like that was like probably one of the most human performances

1006
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,320
I've ever seen from Nick, honestly.

1007
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,000
That's actually a really good way of putting it.

1008
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,880
I mean, for like a real over the top fucking movie.

1009
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:24,360
Yes.

1010
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,120
Human ass scene, right?

1011
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:26,600
Yeah.

1012
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,880
Like, do people really think about how would I act if the person I love just got killed

1013
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:30,440
right in front of me?

1014
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:31,720
Like, what is the response to that?

1015
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:35,000
And I don't think anyone has an answer other than like cry, pray.

1016
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:35,560
I don't know.

1017
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:40,920
But there's no way to capture that unless you're you've been through it, I guess.

1018
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,640
And he had also like just been through some real shit, too, like being tortured and like

1019
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,320
bound up with barbed wire and having to like free himself from that after seeing this incident.

1020
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:59,000
So there's a lot of trauma that gets unpacked in that moment of bathroom vodka.

1021
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:59,480
Yeah.

1022
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,120
And you know, a lot of movies use this.

1023
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,920
A lot of movies will use that plot device to turn the hero into the hero he needs to be.

1024
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,520
But they never really focus on the transformation.

1025
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,120
They're just like, the hero's mad.

1026
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,080
He wants revenge.

1027
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,320
He now has superhuman strength and he's suddenly good with like every type of weapon known

1028
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,120
to man, essentially.

1029
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:18,520
Right.

1030
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,720
I mean, that's basically John Wick.

1031
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:20,680
They kill his dog.

1032
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:21,880
All of a sudden, I'm back.

1033
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,240
I felt like it was just about him becoming the monster.

1034
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:26,280
Like he becomes the monster.

1035
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:26,680
Yeah.

1036
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,000
The transformation is really the center stage here.

1037
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:35,160
Like I really enjoyed watching him go through that moment, come out of it, not really OK.

1038
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,600
Goes to Bill Duke, rather Carruthers.

1039
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:40,920
By the way, shout out to Bill Duke.

1040
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:41,560
Love him.

1041
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:43,480
Goes.

1042
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,000
Bill Duke is like way more unhinged than he is.

1043
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,120
And I think the transformation is it's still happening in that scene.

1044
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,400
It's happening after that.

1045
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,800
It's happening all the way up to the point where he's like,

1046
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,560
it's happening all the way up to the point where he's in the car at the end.

1047
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,480
Probably the only scary moment in the movie happens where he smiles at the camera and

1048
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,600
he's got super white teeth.

1049
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,920
I'm curious to hear what you guys think in terms of like what what happens to Red now?

1050
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,200
Does he like does he just be is he the monster now?

1051
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,880
Does he like go and kill people like because he's not coming back.

1052
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,400
Like he's not just going to like drive off into the sunset.

1053
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,560
I mean, his whole worldview now is just he sees monsters and alien landscapes.

1054
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,960
Everywhere like what does that person do?

1055
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,800
Does he fashion his own like penis knife?

1056
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:41,560
I still strongly believe that Red goes off and now he is the janitor from Willie's Wonderland.

1057
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:47,320
So he drives off into the wilderness and now he's just an ultimate badass

1058
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,120
defeating other evils in the world.

1059
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,640
Supernatural evils.

1060
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,320
I really do like that theory.

1061
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,080
It kind of makes sense.

1062
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,880
I mean, having seen both of those movies, it's like because his character is the janitor

1063
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:01,880
in that movie is like what?

1064
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:02,760
Why is he mute?

1065
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:03,560
Why is he anything?

1066
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,880
It's like, oh, right, because he's seen some shit.

1067
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,960
Do you have a favorite a favorite death in this film?

1068
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,000
A favorite murder?

1069
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,320
Mine hands down is always going to be the mouth breather.

1070
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:13,720
I'm getting the.

1071
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:15,400
The best.

1072
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:20,920
Yeah, there are so many really good ones that are like so fun, but him polishing the car

1073
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,480
and like really just having a moment there.

1074
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:31,800
It's like, I, I, I, I, I, it's not the death specifically, but like the bald guy who like

1075
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,560
deep throats, the pointy.

1076
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:34,120
Oh, yes.

1077
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,240
When he gets pulled out of the car, he just goes, you're hurting me.

1078
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,560
Yeah, that's so good.

1079
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:47,880
Honestly, the third biker that he takes down, not the one that is taking a piss outside on

1080
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:53,560
the car, which I honestly didn't even realize that dude was there the whole time.

1081
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:54,600
I thought there was.

1082
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,200
I feel like there was three of them, but all of a sudden there's four.

1083
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,480
I don't know the movie.

1084
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,240
It does a bad job of explaining to you exactly what these guys are and how many there are.

1085
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:07,240
So the one that's watching the TV, I think that was my favorite on the sequence.

1086
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:08,200
Knife deck.

1087
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:08,440
Yeah.

1088
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,800
You know, I've never done a bunch of coke and watched porn.

1089
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:16,680
I wonder what it's like to just be that high and looking at porn.

1090
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,840
Like, would I be super excited?

1091
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,480
Well, it was a little, little high and a little horny.

1092
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,520
Yeah, a little bit high, a little bit horny.

1093
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,720
We all appreciate the mouth breather dying after polishing his car.

1094
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,720
Yeah, just the axe spinning through the air and so good.

1095
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:36,920
That's a great death.

1096
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,240
I think the visual of that one is my favorite.

1097
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:40,200
So simple.

1098
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,880
I really appreciate the aesthetic of the beast, the axe.

1099
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:52,520
And I think it's so beautifully like 80s metal, like it's shiny, it's chrome,

1100
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,560
it's got a weird asymmetrical build.

1101
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,240
It's got a point.

1102
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,600
That's still in the front runner for my Nick Cage theme tattoo right now.

1103
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:07,640
I can't I haven't thought of anything else visually that except for the fuck you fish.

1104
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,320
Fuck you fish.

1105
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,520
The tuna, the fucking fish.

1106
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,640
When they go to fucking.

1107
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:14,680
Oh, big tuna.

1108
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,880
There's just the like metal fish on the outside outskirts of town.

1109
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,080
So, yeah, OK.

1110
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,080
I forgot about that.

1111
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,080
I forgot it said fuck you on it.

1112
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:24,840
But yeah, big tuna.

1113
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,120
Hell, yeah, that's a good idea.

1114
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:26,600
I like that.

1115
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:29,080
Fuck you fish.

1116
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,360
I don't know which one would be harder to explain to people who see me naked.

1117
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,560
Well, get the fuck you fish as a tramp stamp.

1118
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:36,360
Perfect.

1119
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,480
That would be nice.

1120
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:38,760
That totally works, actually.

1121
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:39,320
Yeah.

1122
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:46,520
Overall, I feel like this movie is one of the more tamer cage films I've seen.

1123
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:52,680
I'm from an era where he I guess you could say I was watching his slump in the 90s.

1124
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,960
And those a lot of those ended up being some of my favorite movies, honestly, like the slump movies.

1125
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,600
Obviously enjoy face off.

1126
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:07,000
But to me, Nick Cage overacting is kind of my favorite cage.

1127
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,640
That being said, didn't leave a lot of room for that here.

1128
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,080
And I still enjoyed it.

1129
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,920
I could tell he enjoyed making the movie.

1130
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,120
That was the best part for me.

1131
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:25,480
I think there were moments where he really just lost himself in the scenery, which I'm sure he does often, but literally felt like he was the guy.

1132
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,000
You know, he's not Nick.

1133
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,320
He's red for the next 90 minutes.

1134
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:41,640
One of the best things that this movie does is it eliminates a lot of dialogue, you know, until you get to see that kind of himself, like him engulfing himself in a character.

1135
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,800
You get to see that happen in real time rather than him telling you, oh, yeah, I'm red.

1136
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:46,280
I'm red.

1137
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:46,680
I'm red.

1138
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:47,640
I hate these guys.

1139
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:48,520
They killed my wife.

1140
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,160
Blah, blah, blah.

1141
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:54,120
You know, he's showing you the entire time that he is not a well man.

1142
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,840
He will never be well again.

1143
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,280
He will never be well again, and he does it without saying anything.

1144
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:05,720
In a way, it's a lot like the what was the Five Nights at Freddy's knockoff.

1145
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,800
It's a lot like that where he just doesn't say anything.

1146
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:08,520
Really wonderland.

1147
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:09,240
There we go.

1148
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:18,520
Whoever wrote this film was like, you just there's not a lot of dialogue we're going to be showing you with emotions and with violence and just basically raw, visceral shit.

1149
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,760
Yeah, man, like I feel like this is about as artsy as it gets for Nick Cage.

1150
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,280
So like they could have had some more louder guitars.

1151
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:32,360
They kind of had one in that one fight scene where he got the chainsaw and the dude just had a bigger fucking chainsaw.

1152
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:39,240
I don't think that's something we've touched really touched on a lot talking about this movie as many times as we have is like there is humor in it.

1153
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,200
There is comedy.

1154
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,160
There are comedy beats that I don't think we give enough credit to.

1155
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:51,240
And like, yeah, like, dude, like him showing up with the chainsaw, like trying to rev it up and just that big fucker just being like, yeah, bigger chainsaw.

1156
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,160
This is a chainsaw.

1157
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,680
Do you call that a chainsaw?

1158
00:59:54,680 --> 01:00:06,120
Little evil dead moments kind of sprinkled in throughout where it still totally serves the purpose of the story and the film doesn't suffer for it.

1159
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:13,480
But you get that break in the tension and a little bit of a laugh, a little bit horny, a little bit horny.

1160
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:24,920
I think it's because of the of the evil dead vibe that I kind of expected some more supernatural shit, a little more on the nose stuff.

1161
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:33,960
I mean, it didn't hurt that it wasn't there, but I was kind of like, man, it'd be really cool if this Jeremiah dude was actually what he's fucking said he was.

1162
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,000
Yeah, instead of just being kind of a whimpering little fucking cuck.

1163
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,000
Basically, yeah, I felt like at the end I'm like, no, I called it immediately.

1164
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:41,800
He's a little pussy.

1165
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:42,520
I get it.

1166
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,120
But what if he wasn't?

1167
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,920
What if like in the middle of begging for his life, he sprouts fucking shark teeth and bites his dick off?

1168
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:49,640
Well, because you're right.

1169
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,440
There's that moment where he's like, I'll suck your dick, man.

1170
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,240
And then he's like, no, wait, you bow before me.

1171
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,080
And it's like that would be that power moment.

1172
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:57,480
But it's not.

1173
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:58,360
I would be in that moment.

1174
01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:58,600
Right.

1175
01:00:58,600 --> 01:00:58,760
Yeah.

1176
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,040
I was like, oh, shit, here we go, guys.

1177
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,320
And no, he's just a pussy.

1178
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:09,160
I felt like he portrayed a fragile villain really well.

1179
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,840
But I was just like, man, what if he's fragile and ego, but not in body?

1180
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,440
Those are the best kind of villain, in my opinion.

1181
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,400
You saw his dick.

1182
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,280
There's nothing hard there.

1183
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,240
I don't know if we can end on a better note.

1184
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,040
Thanks, Chris.

1185
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,000
Do you want to plug anything?

1186
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,000
You got anything coming up that you want people to know about?

1187
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,840
So I mean, other than pitching Fatal Fury City, the wolves by it, play it.

1188
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,200
I'm going to be probably one of the main commentators for that.

1189
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,280
So you'll be seeing a lot of me if you're watching streams for that.

1190
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,360
You can also catch me weekly on twitch.tv slash game goons,

1191
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,520
where I stream video games of all kinds, try to do it weekly.

1192
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,160
But you know what real life gets in the way.

1193
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,040
And other than that, you know, yeah, stay in school.

1194
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,600
Drink that Ego sipping cream.

1195
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,920
It's OK for him to goon with the games and not us for goon.

1196
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,160
Listen, man, gooning is different.

1197
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:05,480
Gooning is different now.

1198
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,920
I've been hearing it for the last three years.

1199
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,120
I go to an event in Vegas annually called EVO.

1200
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:13,320
It's a fighting game tournament.

1201
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,720
And every night before it starts on Thursday night, I have a suite

1202
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,880
where all of our fans and followers can come and play and hang out with us.

1203
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,280
I can't call the goon suite.

1204
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,840
I've been doing it since 2016.

1205
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,280
The last three years, people will be calling like people will really message me

1206
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:31,800
and say, it's called the what suite?

1207
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,920
It's the word changed, people.

1208
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:36,520
It's the goon suite.

1209
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:37,560
It's where you go to come.

1210
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:40,600
I hate this language.

1211
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,000
Ben, don't chew my toe.

1212
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,280
Yes, I know you got to go outside.

1213
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:47,640
Give me give me 15 minutes.

1214
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,360
Ben's into some freaky shit.

1215
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,400
He's up here shrimping.

1216
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,440
I forgot about shrimp.

1217
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,560
Oh, man, I'm always thinking about shrimp.

1218
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:58,920
Boo.

1219
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,040
Now, these I think we had two really good guests for two really good movies

1220
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,760
and both made great fucking points.

1221
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:07,800
Yeah, I agree with you.

1222
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,840
And this was one of those that I was kind of like dreading because, you know,

1223
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:16,280
I mixed feelings on Mandy and I think I finally got my finger on why

1224
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,080
I don't love it as much because I should.

1225
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,080
Like it's it's visually stunning.

1226
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,200
It's interesting.

1227
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,440
It moves at a clip, even though it's long.

1228
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,800
And I think what it is for me is it makes me feel like a little embarrassed.

1229
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:35,000
And it reminds me of being like 10 and looking at my older brother's like

1230
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,280
cool, dark comic books about like, you know, sorcerers and shit and like

1231
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,480
making up my own dumb stories without actually reading any of it

1232
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:44,920
and just looking at the cool art.

1233
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,640
And I think that's how I feel about this, where it's like it's a series of

1234
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:54,680
beautiful paintings with like a loose story that's kind of tying it all together.

1235
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,840
And I'm like, it feels like I could have written that story when I was younger

1236
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,760
and it would have been stupid and I would have felt embarrassed about it.

1237
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:08,360
So you would have had some boob drawings and then I don't know, there's a tiger

1238
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,720
and drugs, drugs, drugs.

1239
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:16,680
That's interesting because so I mean, that's I I get that and I like that.

1240
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,440
And it's but it's one of those things where I'm like, there are movies of when

1241
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,760
I was younger that like kind of had this metal aesthetic and this like

1242
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:30,280
the hyperviolence, the boobs and all that stuff that I would cringe at now.

1243
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:35,800
I'm thinking of fucking the crow as one of those era of films.

1244
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:44,760
But like this because of the cinematography, because of the intensity of the character

1245
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:51,400
and just how much it actually just leans into not trying to be a studio film.

1246
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:58,280
I think it this this holds up better and this has much more like weight behind it,

1247
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:03,560
where I don't feel that kind of awkward, like adolescent, like first boner shame.

1248
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,760
No, I think you're spot on.

1249
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,280
It's a better representation of it.

1250
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,880
I think that's just what I was finally tapping into because I've thought about like

1251
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,920
what makes me uncomfortable about this movie every time I've watched it.

1252
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,520
And at first I thought it was because it was grimy.

1253
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,360
And then I was like, I don't like violence that much.

1254
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:19,640
But I don't know.

1255
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,680
So anyway, I think that's my my final feeling on it is that it's like

1256
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,320
it just makes me feel a little bit dorky.

1257
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,800
Yeah, I think there is just something incredibly dorky about this film.

1258
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:40,440
Like there I that might be just a side effect of the like kind of fantasy pulp novel

1259
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,680
sort of kind of exists in it.

1260
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:47,720
That's an interesting take that I hadn't considered that like this there is the trope

1261
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:53,960
of like the revenge, like the revenge fantasy, the revenge thriller, like, you know,

1262
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,440
normal guy gets revenge on those who wronged him.

1263
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:01,080
But this movie pushes that to the point where it's like, like Chris said, you know,

1264
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:07,480
like you see how that transforms red, you see like, you know, there's the John Wick,

1265
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,400
like, oh, he's going to be a bad ass because he was wrong.

1266
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,880
It's like, no, he's broken.

1267
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,320
That's why he that's why he murders because they broke him.

1268
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:21,080
And now there's nothing about red that I think you want to be at the end of this.

1269
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,120
He's not the cool guy.

1270
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,280
He's just a monster now.

1271
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:25,080
He's just sad.

1272
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:26,920
Yeah, I think you're spot on.

1273
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:31,560
And then, I mean, on the other hand, speaking of cartoonish, you have a very cartoonish

1274
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,960
performance in Vampire's Kiss, too.

1275
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:34,520
Right.

1276
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,200
They're both like kind of absurd and kind of silly.

1277
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:44,840
And in response to like what performance stands out more, I definitely feel more

1278
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:53,000
inclined to say Vampire's Kiss in that it I mean, it was a film of performance choices

1279
01:06:53,000 --> 01:07:00,760
and it it highlights Nicolas Cage, whereas like, well, as Chris said,

1280
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,080
like you could have put somebody else in as read.

1281
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,400
Keith Urban, who I think is a country singer.

1282
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,640
Car.

1283
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:08,760
Didn't you say Carl Urban?

1284
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:09,160
Isn't he the guy?

1285
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:09,960
He said, Keith Urban.

1286
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,160
He said, Keith Urban, which is a country singer.

1287
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:14,680
You could probably put Keith Urban in there.

1288
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:15,080
I don't know.

1289
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:18,840
But he met Carl Urban, I assume.

1290
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,080
Yeah, undoubtedly.

1291
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:22,680
Although I don't know.

1292
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:23,960
I'm not going to put words in his mouth.

1293
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,080
It could have been Keith Urban.

1294
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:25,800
We'll find out.

1295
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:26,040
Yeah.

1296
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,560
Chris struck me as like a big country pop person.

1297
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:29,800
Yeah.

1298
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:37,320
Vampire's Kiss just has like such a could only happen once sort of element

1299
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,880
and feel to the film sort of like Mandy.

1300
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:45,800
So they both have to exist as white whales, great white buffaloes, white jags.

1301
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:46,360
White Jags.

1302
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,760
They're all these are both white jags.

1303
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:49,320
We got there.

1304
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,640
Like both Chris and Lauren both kind of pointed out for both these films is just like these

1305
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,240
movies cannot be remade.

1306
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,000
These movies cannot exist now.

1307
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:04,360
I think in terms of comparing the two, Vampire's Kiss is very much sold on Nick Cage's performance.

1308
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:13,240
Be that performance good or bad, like it there are performance choices and the movie is that character.

1309
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:19,800
Whereas I think Mandy as a whole is a much better film and is much stronger.

1310
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:27,960
Like the some of its parts is much better, but it's not sold on like maybe Nick Cage gets you in the door,

1311
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,680
but that's not what's going to keep you there.

1312
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:40,280
Vampire's Kiss is the far more approachable film to people are going to be put off by Mandy.

1313
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,760
Peter is put off by Mandy and like that's a it's totally fine.

1314
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,720
It doesn't detract from the film.

1315
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:54,920
But in terms of our experiment here, too, it's hard to ignore the fact that one of them is very niche.

1316
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,080
And the other one is very niche.

1317
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:09,960
Alice Cage and I mean, I you and I talked about this briefly that I can't recommend Mandy to most people.

1318
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,400
No, certainly not like on a first date.

1319
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,240
Wait, didn't your date like watch Mandy before you guys?

1320
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,200
She got. Yeah, I I'd asked her.

1321
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,240
We were texting and asked her if she'd ever watched Mandy and she said no.

1322
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,520
And I'm like, that's a fucking trip.

1323
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,000
And I like sent her a photo of the scene I was watching, which is him in his tighty whitey's in the bathroom.

1324
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,320
And she laughed and she's like, I'm going to put it on right now.

1325
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:34,760
She's like, I'm falling asleep.

1326
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,280
So I don't know how much I'll get into.

1327
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:42,200
And when I asked her last night how far she got into it, she's like, I got to her crying at the stillborn deer and passed out.

1328
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,520
I'm like, that's probably the safest place to fall asleep.

1329
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:47,720
That's a good out. Yeah.

1330
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:57,240
I don't know. I've been going back and forth on both of these films in terms of what I would want to see go forward.

1331
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:05,160
And I put on Vampire's Kiss this morning and for him alone, I think that's that's my vote.

1332
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:12,120
I'm definitely in the it was a hard decision, but Vampire's Kiss for me.

1333
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:28,120
Not only is it just a compelling film to watch because you don't know what's going to happen next, it's just so interesting trying to think how he got to the point of making these choices.

1334
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:32,360
Like how many of them were just spur of the moment things that he did.

1335
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:38,840
It's I don't know. Like I am just completely captivated by this performance.

1336
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:43,400
It just holds me and I'm like, there's nothing else like it. I love it.

1337
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,640
When I put it on, I just started smiling.

1338
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,720
I was like, this fucking movie.

1339
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,320
Yeah, it is one of those things.

1340
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,000
It's like, oh, I get to fucking watch Vampire's Kiss tonight.

1341
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:58,120
And when I was watching these, I watched them in a hotel room on traveling for work.

1342
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,880
And there wasn't even like a thought of which one am I going to watch tonight?

1343
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:07,000
It's just like I booted up the the old iPad and Vampire's Kiss.

1344
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,760
And it's like, oh, OK, well, I mean, that's a pretty strong and strong.

1345
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:11,720
These movies are both.

1346
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,640
These are both movies like we get to watch it.

1347
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,520
Like we're at the part of this record where we get to watch the movies we like.

1348
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:24,120
I think for me, I will probably wind up watching Mandy Moore over the course of my life, like start to finish.

1349
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:29,400
Whereas with Vampire's Kiss, I'm probably like I'll watch it again.

1350
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:37,000
But I mostly when I'm getting that itch, I'll probably just look up scenes from it as opposed to watching the whole piece.

1351
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:37,800
Make it official.

1352
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:41,560
It is decided.

1353
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:43,400
I did not hear that at all.

1354
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:44,920
Interesting.

1355
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,000
Well, tap it on the microphone.

1356
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:49,560
No, nothing.

1357
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:51,080
Weird.

1358
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:54,440
Clippity clop, cloop clop.

1359
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:55,880
I'm a judge.

1360
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:56,600
Did you hear that?

1361
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:57,820
Yes.

1362
01:11:57,820 --> 01:12:01,340
Also, that is now the sound of him decide of it being decided.

1363
01:12:02,380 --> 01:12:03,180
I agree.

1364
01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:06,460
We're going to I mean, we're going to piss off some horses, but fuck them.

1365
01:12:07,420 --> 01:12:08,460
Fuck those horses.

1366
01:12:08,460 --> 01:12:09,260
Oh, man.

1367
01:12:09,260 --> 01:12:09,740
All right.

1368
01:12:09,740 --> 01:12:10,700
Thank you all for listening.

1369
01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:14,780
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1370
01:12:14,780 --> 01:12:17,660
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1371
01:12:17,660 --> 01:12:22,540
And thank you to our Sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam and Bill.

1372
01:12:22,540 --> 01:12:26,940
And to our cage dancers, Ira, John, Freeman, Lance, Nathan and.

1373
01:12:26,940 --> 01:12:32,380
Cameron and yeah, clip clop.

1374
01:12:32,380 --> 01:12:33,180
Clip clop.

1375
01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:49,260
And you get really into I need to learn how to like make like foam costumes, like proper

1376
01:12:49,260 --> 01:12:50,220
mascot costumes.

1377
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:51,740
Oh, that's an investment.

1378
01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:53,260
I'm going to go.

1379
01:12:53,260 --> 01:12:56,700
I'm going to be on YouTube for the rest of the day, like learning how to like a felt.

1380
01:12:57,820 --> 01:13:02,220
I should start with I should start with a more scaled head.

1381
01:13:02,220 --> 01:13:06,700
I'll make a I'll make a one to one head of neck that I can wear.

1382
01:13:08,060 --> 01:13:08,780
One to one.

1383
01:13:09,740 --> 01:13:11,420
Yeah, my giant melon.

1384
01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:12,300
You still can fit in.

1385
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:12,800
Yeah.

1386
01:13:13,580 --> 01:13:15,820
Shots fired so so gently.

1387
01:13:15,820 --> 01:13:18,060
Wear it like a motorcycle helmet.

1388
01:13:18,060 --> 01:13:18,560
Yeah.

1389
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:23,840
I'll take out an additional home loan or whatever just for the felt because you're going to

1390
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,600
need a lot of felt to cover this dome.

1391
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,440
So there's always a white elephant gift exchange.

1392
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:38,160
And last year I took home like this golden hand and an eight inch black dildo with a

1393
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:38,800
suction cup.

1394
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:40,320
Fucking awesome.

1395
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:40,820
Yeah.

1396
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:46,240
And I think the welcome to pound town sign also that's above our bed.

1397
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:47,360
We kept that.

1398
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:54,640
And this year I gave back the hand and the dildo, but sitting above those and concealing

1399
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,480
that I put in a Chuck Tingle book.

1400
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:04,880
So but again, the final days of pounding ass and found out that one of my friends is one

1401
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,360
degree of separation away from Chuck Tingle.

1402
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,880
They were asking me questions about who Chuck Tingle is.

1403
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,360
And they're like, what does he look like this and that?

1404
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:17,280
And I was like, oh, well, nobody knows because he wears a pink like sack over his head.

1405
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,280
That just says love is real on his forehead.

1406
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,480
And they're like, wait, that's Chuck Tingle.

1407
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:25,120
And apparently one of their friends is friends with him.

1408
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:26,720
Cool.

1409
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,480
Can we get him on the podcast?

1410
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:30,960
That would be an interesting episode.

1411
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,480
Yeah, we would have to do Chuck Tingle's podcast as well.

1412
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:36,880
I would I would be OK with that.

1413
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,160
I would go on Chuck Tingle's podcast.

1414
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,840
Let's talk about how love is real.

1415
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:40,340
Yeah.

1416
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:42,240
Buckaroos and.

1417
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:42,960
Yeah.

1418
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,440
How my ass can butt fuck my other ass or whatever.