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Oh, God. Oh, my God.

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Well, this certainly was a movie.

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Yeah, it took me.

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No preamble, no.

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I don't know.

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Two or so two or so kills before I figured out like,

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oh, this is just why they call it kill chain because there's a chain of kills.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And we're just going to watch a bunch of like montages of deaths, basically.

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Kind of. And then it stops and then it starts again. Yeah. Yeah.

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I was a little saddened when we broke away from Nicholas Cage in the beginning.

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Me too. I was like, oh, this is a big 40 minute gap with no cage.

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Yeah. Which is like, but only to re show the same scene from the beginning.

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Yeah. That was that was all from a different angle, from a different angle.

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But so that was only put in there solely to let you know

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Nicholas Cage would be in this film eventually.

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Yeah. And to create like the initial loop.

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Yeah, I guess that's true.

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I do think that it was more cage bait. Yeah.

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Yeah. It's like, hey, no, no, he's here.

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Don't worry.

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You don't have to wait until the end of the movie.

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Well, you've got Nicholas Cage now. Yeah.

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Oh, now just wait until the end of the movie for the rest of the Nicholas Cage.

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So I'm going to wait till the end of the podcast to do the intro.

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Good. Yeah, I like that.

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Yeah. We'll loop back to it.

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Yeah. Obviously, we're talking about Kill Chain from 2019 starring

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Nicholas Cage and Jason Stackhouse.

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Yeah, he is in there. Yeah.

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Also the guy from Just Shoot Me. Yeah.

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That guy, too.

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And to which I responded to Sean David Spade.

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And then I was like, no, the bald guy who in theaters like it was a joke.

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I'm like, oh, I was very tired last night.

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And then I thought I'm like, David Spade, this movie would be great.

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Kind of awesome. Right.

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Like, I think that's my beef with it is that.

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It's not David Spade's not it. Yes, that's number one.

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But no, like I feel like if you're going to play up all these, you know,

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the very bad woman, the old sniper, you know, all these character names

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and everything, it's like, go fucking wild.

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Yeah. Cast away. Yeah.

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And then they didn't.

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Well, so right when we fired up this movie at home,

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I had just read an article

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stating that like the Writers Guild was advising

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its members not to work with Millennium films.

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And then it's just Millennium films.

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And I was like, oh, it's going to be one of those films. Nice.

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And it was. Yeah.

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I enjoyed the ride.

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Yeah. Try it.

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Try and give us a summary.

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Whoever wants to take a stab at that.

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How about we just go back? We'll ping pong this.

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What is like each tell it? Go go for a scene.

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You're fucking fine.

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So it starts off in a hotel.

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Nick Cage is a hotel keeper.

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Yeah, he's a clerk. Clerk.

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That's the word. He's the owner of a hotel.

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So a real piece of shit part of town.

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A real shit piece.

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Shit piece part of part. Wow.

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Uh huh. We'll keep that. Yeah.

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Some gentlemen, no good next come in.

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And not like me.

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I'm a real good Nick.

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Continue. Take his take Nick Cage's guns and make generally threatening

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remarks about him like having stayed in one place too long.

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And when he offers to tell them a story, it then hard cuts to

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an old sniper looking at a rice cookers.

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Wow. My brain.

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Nick, you go, let my brain like buffer. Yeah.

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Yeah. So we've got sniper looking at rice cookers

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and he eventually gets into a situation where it's like,

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oh, no, there's a sniper on the other roof.

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Like who's sniping who?

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And so we get through that scene with him getting shot

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and laying on the ground.

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And so it pans over to, I don't know, somebody else

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who's going to get shot.

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And then that leads us backwards even more to this other person who dies.

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And they just kind of progressively like fold away

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until like you get back through the origami crane to Nicolas Cage

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and this lady.

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And like none of the stories like necessarily matter.

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Yeah. Or really all interlinked.

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Like, yeah, I mean, the sniper getting shot by the other sniper,

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then that sniper is in the car with Jason Stackhouse.

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Yeah. It's killed.

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So the sniper who killed the sniper was the older snipers protege.

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Yeah. Right. But none of that like arrested by comes together so much

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until like the end does.

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But it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Yeah.

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Then there's a lady who's maybe a prostitute.

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And then, yeah.

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And then maybe her madam is there. Is that it?

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Was that the vibe?

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I kind of I think or like some crime lord, like her lady was a crime lord.

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And that was one of the sexiest stabbings I've ever seen.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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I was I was ready to stab a little bit myself.

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Oh, no. This is my penis.

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I got it. Yeah.

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Yeah. And then it all boils back down until you get the story of like

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why Nicolas Cage is in this.

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I know. Is this Bolivia? Is this very, very confusing?

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Because I'm like the sex worker that they were in a school.

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So I know that that old sniper brings up as a distraction technique.

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She was American.

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Mm hmm. Yeah.

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All the characters were pretty definitely not of this nation

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because nobody had accents.

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Yeah. Unimportant. Yeah.

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Even though Nick Cage plays a character named Aranya.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, and there's that one extended scene that's in Spanish.

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Oh, right. That's your version.

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And my version, the version I had had a German subtitles for the Spanish.

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I was able to follow for the most part.

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I like paused it after the second sniper gets shot in the back of the squad car.

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And I like text Peter.

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I'm like, how much of this is in Spanish?

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Because I'm following it well enough with what little Spanish I have.

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But if there's much more, I should probably like find a version.

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A different version.

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And then Peter's like, it's on prime. I'm like, OK. Yeah.

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I have definitely done that before, where I like downloaded a film

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and just been like, oops, OK, there's no subtitle track to this.

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Like the Wolverine.

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Oh, man. So much of that is in Japanese.

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And then I just sat there and was like, I don't have subtitle tracks for this.

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This is all in Japanese.

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You get the you get the feeling from it, though.

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Yeah. You can. I guess you can translate. Yeah.

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Japanese Japanese emotion into.

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Yeah, it's totally fine motion.

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Yes, I mean, definitely translate that.

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So what it all ultimately comes down to is Nick Cage is on a revenge quest

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because his ex partner Franco Franco, not Franco's real name.

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Franco and him were set to do a drop.

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It goes wrong. So like, you know, burn the product, which happened to be like

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young girls. Franco adopted one of the girls as like his own.

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The snipers were the cleanup crew and killed the rest of the girls at one point.

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The cops were responsible for Franco's daughter's death.

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Franco went to get revenge and he was killed by the female mob boss, the madam.

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You followed this movie way better than I did.

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They sum it up in three minutes at the end.

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It's not what the only part of it that's complicated is the setup

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makes no sense, like in terms of how he like pushed that first domino.

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But like, who's important to who made perfect sense.

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Yeah. The only part that kind of got me in like and I was like,

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oh, at the end of the film, when he like walks into the hotel room

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and like the first snipers there, I'm like,

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because I thought the sniper was across the street.

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Oh, no, no, it was.

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But then they even said, like, you know, you only have two guests.

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And I'm like, I should have put it together.

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So I was like, it's all there.

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Masterpiece masterpiece.

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And then it completely falls down at the end because the sniper

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has a daughter of his own, who's at a University of Richmond.

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And his boss is going to go after his daughter if the second

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because the second sniper died.

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It's like, you have to save her.

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And Nick Cage like, all right, ends with him like calling

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like this stranger to tell her your dad's dead and I'm going to come get you.

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Yeah, I'm a protect you.

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Yeah, don't worry. Trust me. I'm the spider.

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I am the Aranya, the Aranya.

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Those of you who don't

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Abla Espanol, the Aranya is Spanish for El Spider.

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I read a Collider review from 2019.

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Getting a fucking phone call from Costco right now.

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All of Costco.

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Pick it up. Pick it up. Pick it up.

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Put them on the podcast.

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I'm not a scab and I do not respond to such.

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So I was reading this Collider article

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because there's not a lot of stuff about this movie out there.

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Yeah, really.

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People aren't just talking about so many people in this movie.

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So this guy, Chester C. Jones, wrote.

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This is my favorite paragraph from the ideal way to watch.

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This is sprawled out on your couch while you work or surf the Internet.

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Watch another TV show, eat a burrito or just sleep.

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Anything really?

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Think of it as a cinematic equivalent to ASMR.

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And that's actually exactly how it was for me.

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Like I could not have summed this movie up like you did

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because I basically went into a fugue state during almost all of it.

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I was I was intrigued by the whole thing.

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I don't know why it's not good, but I was just like probably because no scene

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lasts for like no part of this movie is more than a five minute movie.

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So just every time I'm just like kind of like, yeah, it's like, oh, so new.

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Yeah, a new part.

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That is true. Entirely new people.

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I just like dead stared at the TV for like 40 minutes,

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like Nicolas Cage is coming back.

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We're going to get back to this.

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You're white knuckling it.

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Yeah. Josie's already asleep on the couch.

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The dogs are just doing dog stuff.

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And I just have to sit there and watch Kill Chain.

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So did anyone else look up?

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Did anyone look up what this director has done?

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Yeah, he did. He did four episodes of numbers.

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Ooh. But he also did the replacement killers.

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Yeah. It's probably like which numbers.

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Seven. OK, I like that episode.

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Yeah, I think also 14 and 12, actually.

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Oh, OK. Good. Good numbers. Yeah.

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I mean, but he probably best known for directing the replacement killer.

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He was actually just the writer for that. Oh, he was.

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Yeah. Somebody else directed that one.

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Anyway, yeah.

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But I mean, that is what he is certainly best known for in a good movie.

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Yeah. But yeah, I look.

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What happened to Cheyenne fat?

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I know he was in that horrible Dragon Ball movie.

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Yeah, boy, that was a fucking movie.

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I think you're in the back.

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Yeah, old fat.

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I should. I hate that.

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I laughed at that, too. Yes.

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Encourage me. No.

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You're going to be Peter's problem soon.

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That's true. Yeah.

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I mean, I had a really cool career and it does seem like he just sort of stopped.

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Probably just went back to, I mean, just doing Hong Kong and cinema.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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I mean, he's like a fucking hero over there.

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So I mean, he is kind of like sweet pocket in the wind.

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Sweet pocket.

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When did a crouching tiger come out?

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I mean, we were children.

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Yeah. I mean, we were pretty young.

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I would guess it was like 1998.

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Yeah. 97, 96, 2000.

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I danced around it.

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Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

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Replacement Killers was directed by Antoine Fuqua.

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Oh, yeah. Fuqua.

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What else did he do?

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What else did a different director do that isn't related to kill?

249
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He did the equalizer.

250
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Well, this is a director chain training day.

251
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Oh, yeah, that's right.

252
00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:38,860
The Magnificent Seven, the bad one.

253
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Oh, Olympus has fallen.

254
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Oh, that that's the White House movie.

255
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Yeah. Yeah.

256
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I watched that one time, like very hung over or something.

257
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I was like, this movie sucks.

258
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Like, what the fuck was that a renter seeing that?

259
00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:54,340
No.

260
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Uh, Olympus has fallen is Morgan Freeman.

261
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And I was going to say it sounds like a dead zone.

262
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Washington, it's a Gerard Butler.

263
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Oh, OK. Yeah.

264
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All right. That makes sense.

265
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That is, yeah, kind of renter adjacent.

266
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What is and then there's the other series

267
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that's more or less the same with Channing Tatum White House Down.

268
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That's the one.

269
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Yep. Very similar.

270
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You know, this shit would never would have happened

271
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if we would have elected President Harrison Ford for a second term.

272
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It's true.

273
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I think my favorite kill was one of the more subtle kills in this movie.

274
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In the kill chain.

275
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Mm hmm. I liked the poisoning.

276
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Oh, yeah, that was a good one.

277
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Yeah. The poisoning was a good kill. Yeah.

278
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What was your favorite kill?

279
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Uh, other than sexy stabbing.

280
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Sexy, sexy stabbing could be your favorite kill. That's fine.

281
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Yeah, I don't know.

282
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This movie is kind of like pretty sedate until like in terms of like

283
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the violence until it's not, because when the guy gets his brains

284
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blown out in the car, that's pretty like visceral.

285
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But when dude gets shotgunned.

286
00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:58,140
Oh, yeah. That's pretty good. Shotgunning.

287
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Yeah. I did enjoy the Jason Stackhouse, Miguel argument.

288
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Death. Oh, yeah. The car shootout. Yeah.

289
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I what annoys me about this chain of kills is these like professional killers.

290
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It's like, OK, I'm going to like sneak the door open to get him to come out.

291
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I'm like, I don't think that's an armored car.

292
00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,260
Just shoot through the door.

293
00:13:20,260 --> 00:13:22,560
Yeah. Right. Just shoot through the fucking door.

294
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It's like a Toyota.

295
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Like, come on. Yeah.

296
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I did enjoy the like, oh, the feeder coming down.

297
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He shoots him right through the legs. Oh, he's collapsing.

298
00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,940
Oh, it was the corpse. That was kind of sick.

299
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That was that was fucking Jason Stackhouse dips his head down on the other side.

300
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It's like, oh, I got you.

301
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His is the only death we don't see.

302
00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:43,760
We just hear him. Yeah.

303
00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,260
Because the crazy. He gets tortured. Yeah. Right. Right.

304
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And then she like kidnaps that guy to drive her down to the hotel. Uh huh.

305
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And then does kind of a little sexy strip tease in the back.

306
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And she's like, you can look, but don't don't crash the car.

307
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I don't care if you look so weird.

308
00:14:02,780 --> 00:14:04,360
So he looks a lot. Yeah.

309
00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,420
Until she just takes the mirror with Nicholas Cage.

310
00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,860
Yeah. That's the part that annoyed me the most is she when she like tears off

311
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his rear view mirror.

312
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You got to do my makeup.

313
00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:18,760
But then, yeah, there's the needless sex with Nicholas Cage.

314
00:14:19,540 --> 00:14:21,380
Just so she could say she had sex with Nicholas Cage

315
00:14:21,380 --> 00:14:23,580
when like people come and look for her.

316
00:14:23,580 --> 00:14:24,640
Yeah, I don't know.

317
00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,340
Yeah, it didn't make a ton of sense.

318
00:14:26,340 --> 00:14:29,720
It's like, oh, this is going to inspire him to help me. Right.

319
00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:30,720
I mean,

320
00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,900
newsflash once they have the sex, it's it doesn't matter.

321
00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,420
Yeah. Like.

322
00:14:36,420 --> 00:14:41,140
But he's also maybe an assassin who's like seen too much or like kind of over it,

323
00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:45,880
because that was the reason and reasoning for the handler gave for retiring.

324
00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,080
The older sniper was just like, you've lost your edge.

325
00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,440
You don't drink anymore. You don't fuck anymore.

326
00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:52,140
That's right.

327
00:14:52,140 --> 00:14:55,340
Like, you're not drowning your sorrows of the horrible things you've done.

328
00:14:55,340 --> 00:14:56,780
And we're worried you're going to talk.

329
00:14:56,780 --> 00:14:58,040
You found peace.

330
00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,380
We don't like that too much time.

331
00:15:00,380 --> 00:15:02,380
Just looking at yourself in the mirror.

332
00:15:02,380 --> 00:15:04,480
Now, it's no bueno.

333
00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:05,920
See Spanish. Yeah, right.

334
00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,660
It sounds very good. The Iran. Yeah.

335
00:15:07,660 --> 00:15:10,760
I don't just traveling with a rice cooker seems like a pain in the ass.

336
00:15:11,020 --> 00:15:13,260
It really does. It does. Yeah.

337
00:15:13,260 --> 00:15:16,960
I mean, unless you like store some shit in there also, they have to clean it.

338
00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,840
And it doesn't look like he's saying at the most reputable places. That's true.

339
00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:20,940
I do like that.

340
00:15:20,940 --> 00:15:24,640
He's looking into a travel sized rice cooker.

341
00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:29,240
And the question that like knocks him out of it from his daughter is just like,

342
00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,200
how much does rice cost?

343
00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,580
Like wherever you go, how much is rice?

344
00:15:33,580 --> 00:15:36,240
It's cheap. Just don't even a dollar.

345
00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,780
Yeah. You clearly have money as you keep sending money to me for my schooling.

346
00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,780
I thought one of the things about this movie that actually looked pretty good

347
00:15:43,780 --> 00:15:45,480
is the fact that it looked pretty good.

348
00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,560
Like it's shot well. Shot well.

349
00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,460
A little shaky little shaky cam, which mean whatever.

350
00:15:51,460 --> 00:15:53,200
But I like the lighting palette.

351
00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,800
You know, I thought that was cool.

352
00:15:56,060 --> 00:15:57,740
I mean, the cage is fun in this.

353
00:15:57,740 --> 00:15:59,360
I like when he's telling his story.

354
00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:00,240
I did. He is a fun guy.

355
00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,200
I did hate that.

356
00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:06,300
It starts off with like, you want to hear a story and then it cuts to dude in the room.

357
00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,080
And then we go through the kill chain and then it just gets back to like,

358
00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,980
you want to hear a story. I'm like, so that wasn't the story.

359
00:16:10,980 --> 00:16:13,420
Yeah, here's a different story.

360
00:16:13,420 --> 00:16:15,880
But I just like when he's kind of doing his monologue

361
00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,560
and one of the killers like there's the guy he poisoned that's on the table

362
00:16:19,780 --> 00:16:20,980
that we know is dead.

363
00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:25,560
But one of the train killers like this guy's dead is like, yeah, I poisoned him.

364
00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,200
I was about I was just getting there.

365
00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,240
It was part of the story. You're jumping ahead.

366
00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:34,100
And that one guy's just really mad that he wasted half

367
00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:36,540
of his life listening to this story.

368
00:16:36,540 --> 00:16:39,140
Just like the rest of the audience.

369
00:16:39,140 --> 00:16:41,000
I loved it. Kill chain.

370
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,880
Kill chain. I would put this above retirement plan.

371
00:16:45,580 --> 00:16:47,620
Oh, we were dead wrong. Yeah.

372
00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,780
That's a wild assessment.

373
00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:53,080
I know you really did hate retirement. I didn't hate it.

374
00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,860
I just didn't think anything of it.

375
00:16:54,860 --> 00:16:58,820
Well, I can say definitively that this movie has zero bobos.

376
00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,140
It does have zero bobos is a no go for me.

377
00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,900
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

378
00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,940
Yeah, the fact that it completely rolled off of my brain

379
00:17:09,940 --> 00:17:12,200
and I watched it two days ago, I'm like, I can't.

380
00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,340
I can't put this above retirement plan, which I still think about.

381
00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,840
So I don't.

382
00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:18,980
I do think about it.

383
00:17:18,980 --> 00:17:21,620
I like I like old Nicolas Cage a lot, though.

384
00:17:21,620 --> 00:17:23,720
I like seeing him just be old.

385
00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,820
Yeah, kind of his bad ass grandpa mode is cool.

386
00:17:27,420 --> 00:17:29,820
I mean, this definitely fits in that

387
00:17:29,820 --> 00:17:31,600
this should have been straight to DVD.

388
00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,420
It could be the same character.

389
00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:35,000
It could be. I mean, that's the thing.

390
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,640
This fits into that like little pocket that of

391
00:17:38,060 --> 00:17:41,400
Nicolas Cage is just kind of a guy who might have a shady past.

392
00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,400
Your he's got a beard.

393
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,380
He's got a beard.

394
00:17:45,380 --> 00:17:47,440
But I'm thinking of what's that one?

395
00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,040
Red Rock West, a mirror window or whatever.

396
00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,780
Yeah. Like it's just like Nicolas Cage.

397
00:17:53,780 --> 00:17:56,120
Shady past. Something happens.

398
00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,580
He leaves looking glass, looking glass.

399
00:17:58,580 --> 00:18:01,020
There we go. The one where he creeps. Yeah.

400
00:18:02,620 --> 00:18:03,720
Yeah. So let's see.

401
00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,460
Twenty nineteen is when this came out.

402
00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:08,560
So before that, he did between worlds into the Spider-Verse.

403
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,660
OK, score to settle, which we haven't watched,

404
00:18:10,660 --> 00:18:13,160
which looks like exactly the same thing. Yeah.

405
00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,700
Color out of space, running with the devil,

406
00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:20,840
which I think everyone we've talked to who has a cage podcast is like that movie sucks.

407
00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,220
Yeah. And then Kill Chain and then Primal and then Grand Isle

408
00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:28,320
and then Jiu Jitsu like, oof.

409
00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,960
I would put this on par with Jiu Jitsu. It's a rough lead up.

410
00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,860
Yeah. So 2018, 2019 is a hard zone.

411
00:18:37,860 --> 00:18:40,760
I mean, between worlds was fun for its own reasons.

412
00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,660
Color out of space banger. Yeah.

413
00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:45,100
And Primal, obviously, we know what Nick thinks.

414
00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:46,600
Fucking rocks.

415
00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,880
I was just thinking about between worlds, the

416
00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,380
weird like, oh, choke me, fuck me.

417
00:18:54,380 --> 00:18:57,480
I need to see dead people sex.

418
00:18:57,980 --> 00:19:00,420
Oh, man. What a what a classic.

419
00:19:00,780 --> 00:19:01,820
That's such a weird movie.

420
00:19:01,820 --> 00:19:02,320
I'm going to watch it.

421
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,960
It does give us the cage poems.

422
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,020
There's a YouTuber I follow

423
00:19:07,220 --> 00:19:10,660
who recently I haven't watched the episode yet, but I saw it came up in my feed.

424
00:19:10,660 --> 00:19:13,860
It's like I found the worst Nick Cage film, so you don't have to watch it.

425
00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:16,580
And it was between worlds.

426
00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:17,460
Like I need to know.

427
00:19:17,460 --> 00:19:19,720
I need to know what this person thinks of this movie.

428
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:20,560
Man. Yeah.

429
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,400
Like I can't say that I would recommend anybody watch Kill Chain,

430
00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:26,900
but I also can't say that you shouldn't.

431
00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:29,640
I mean, it's it's a solid 90 minutes.

432
00:19:30,260 --> 00:19:35,000
Perfect. It's earned that five out of 10 flat rating.

433
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,580
Oh, it's no, it's a very flat film, but it's not bad.

434
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:39,780
It's entertaining.

435
00:19:39,780 --> 00:19:41,640
And it's like the first half is bad.

436
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,480
And then the second half has Nicolas Cage.

437
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,780
Yeah. I think that's where I got the five stars for his performance

438
00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:50,120
and then zero stars for everything else.

439
00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:54,000
Yeah. I think it's like, yeah, I mean, it just it goes as such a clip.

440
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,620
I think that's probably why I didn't have a problem with it

441
00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:59,000
when it's not Nicolas Cage, because none of those characters you get

442
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,360
invested in, they're just there to die and sometimes interesting ways.

443
00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:05,440
I would recommend people watch it.

444
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,940
I don't think I could watch it a second time because it's like, oh, yeah.

445
00:20:08,940 --> 00:20:09,880
OK, I've seen it.

446
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,640
Like, it doesn't matter how fast it goes, like, I know what's up.

447
00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:14,680
I know it's next.

448
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,380
I might just watch the cage again.

449
00:20:16,380 --> 00:20:17,240
Yeah. Yeah.

450
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,080
You could basically skip 40 minutes in.

451
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,460
Yeah. Just be like, all right, I can watch this.

452
00:20:21,460 --> 00:20:23,880
I can watch 50 more minutes.

453
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,980
Mostly of him. Yeah.

454
00:20:25,980 --> 00:20:26,960
Performance thoughts.

455
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:27,700
I don't even know.

456
00:20:27,700 --> 00:20:28,800
I mean, kind of hit on it already.

457
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,360
Cage was good.

458
00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:34,400
I can't not remember the guy's name from Jason Sackhouse.

459
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,600
Now from just shoot me.

460
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,440
Not David Spade.

461
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,720
David Spade.

462
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,640
Do you remember that he was in just shoot me just because somebody just shot him?

463
00:20:45,820 --> 00:20:47,860
Ha. He was also in Veronica Mars.

464
00:20:47,860 --> 00:20:50,260
Yeah. Enrico Colantoni.

465
00:20:50,260 --> 00:20:52,360
Yeah, he's got a wild name.

466
00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:56,260
Wacky his name for, you know, also a white dude.

467
00:20:57,300 --> 00:21:01,340
How terrible was his like attempt at hiding his accent?

468
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,140
Like rough every time he opened his mouth, it was just like,

469
00:21:06,140 --> 00:21:07,680
what the fuck are you doing?

470
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,980
Just use your normal voice.

471
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,480
I like to talk like this.

472
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,580
Oh, here's some hot trivia.

473
00:21:16,580 --> 00:21:19,820
What kind of facial hair do you think Nick Cage wanted for this?

474
00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:23,080
Go ahead of our mustache mustache is correct.

475
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,660
I don't know about handlebar, but

476
00:21:25,660 --> 00:21:27,400
oh, it was shot in Colombia.

477
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,420
Yeah, OK.

478
00:21:28,420 --> 00:21:30,400
Colombia. That tracks.

479
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,000
Yeah. All I knew is that it was shot in a school zone

480
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,100
because every aerial shot just said Escola's own.

481
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,800
It's like a school zone.

482
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,000
And they just kept circling that school zone.

483
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,540
Pretty cool zone.

484
00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:47,440
School's own school zone.

485
00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:49,780
Yep. More Spanish from Nick.

486
00:21:50,420 --> 00:21:52,520
Any final thoughts on this one?

487
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:53,720
Just one.

488
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,180
Welcome to Cage, medical and around about way of meeting Nicholas Cage.

489
00:21:56,180 --> 00:22:00,320
I'm your host, Sean, here with my co-host Nick and our producer Peter.

490
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,220
Hello. And you better not fucking put this at the beginning of the podcast.

491
00:22:04,220 --> 00:22:06,460
Like, no, I'm not good on this podcast.

492
00:22:06,460 --> 00:22:10,300
We take 64 Nick Cage films and break them down or review them.

493
00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:13,600
Bracket, bracket style until we find the cages film.

494
00:22:13,740 --> 00:22:17,140
Texas style that doesn't matter for this episode because this is a bonus episode.

495
00:22:17,180 --> 00:22:20,140
Yeah, this is not part of the bonus.

496
00:22:21,380 --> 00:22:24,720
I told I told Nathan yesterday we were I was watching kill change.

497
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,240
Like, but that's that's not on the bracket.

498
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,080
And I'm like, no, it's not.

499
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,720
We need to kill time.

500
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,820
Yeah, sometimes we like filler and hopefully you do, too.

501
00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:34,460
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

502
00:22:34,460 --> 00:22:36,260
If you don't, well, you can just ignore this episode.

503
00:22:36,260 --> 00:22:38,300
I mean, we're going to watch these movies regardless.

504
00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:40,960
Yeah, we'll get there eventually through the entire catalog.

505
00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:44,200
We have to draw some lines, I think, of like running with the devil.

506
00:22:44,460 --> 00:22:47,140
Well, no, I mean, I think that that's something that we would watch.

507
00:22:47,140 --> 00:22:51,300
I think we have to figure out, like, if he's in it as a cameo, I don't care.

508
00:22:51,340 --> 00:22:54,080
Yeah. Unless unless this is really amazing.

509
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,440
Like this should have gone in instead of Jiu Jitsu

510
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,700
in terms of like a mount of Nick Cage and how important he probably.

511
00:22:59,740 --> 00:23:01,800
Yeah, I mean, I would have to look back at the,

512
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,740
you know, exercise and insanity that I did and see if I even had this on the list.

513
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,480
I watched so many trailers that night.

514
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,180
You came back a different man.

515
00:23:11,180 --> 00:23:11,820
It's true.

516
00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:13,220
Came back changed.

517
00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:14,480
Shock of white hair.

518
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,580
Exactly. Haunted deep set eyes.

519
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,520
Bifurcated penis.

520
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,020
Claspers, man.

521
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,420
These are callbacks.

522
00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:25,620
I listen to our old episodes.

523
00:23:25,620 --> 00:23:26,760
Yeah, they're funnier.

524
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,360
I told him to listen to an episode and he was like, OK, I guess I'll try one.

525
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,700
And I don't think he's going to listen to it.

526
00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:33,740
Mm hmm.

527
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:36,500
Horn quack, whatever, whatever.

528
00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:37,540
He won't listen. He doesn't know.

529
00:23:37,540 --> 00:23:38,940
Yeah, that's true.

530
00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:39,740
This is the doxin.

531
00:23:39,740 --> 00:23:41,380
This is the episode listens to.

532
00:23:41,380 --> 00:23:42,340
Yeah, I know.

533
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,320
Oh, this would be a terrible first one.

534
00:23:46,820 --> 00:23:47,120
I don't know.

535
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,120
I don't think saying someone's name is doxing them.

536
00:23:49,420 --> 00:23:51,220
No, I suppose not.

537
00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:56,320
I mean, if you have a very, very particular name, it is a bit, but I mean,

538
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,800
when I give up his address, that's doxin.

539
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,720
Yeah, that's a bit much.

540
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:01,840
Where he hangs out.

541
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,440
Tell people where his height of key is.

542
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,540
Yeah. All right.

543
00:24:05,540 --> 00:24:07,100
Chain of kills.

544
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:08,780
It did it. It did.

545
00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:10,880
Yeah, they did kill in a chain.

546
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,280
It satisfied its movie title name.

547
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,840
Neat. Yeah.

548
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,220
All right. Well, thanks for listening to a bonus episode.

549
00:24:17,220 --> 00:24:20,920
You can find us on social media at Cage underscore match underscore pod.

550
00:24:21,220 --> 00:24:24,220
You can find us on Patreon if you want to support us.

551
00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:27,600
Special thanks to our sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam

552
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,700
and Nathan. No, Nathan Nathan.

553
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,000
Yes. And to our cage dancers.

554
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,480
Oh, and Bill and Bill Bill.

555
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,680
And to our cage dancers, Ira, John Freeman, Lance, Nathan

556
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,640
Cameron, you have a list somewhere, dude.

557
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,440
Yeah, man, I'm rusty right now.

558
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,820
We haven't recorded in our usual cadence.

559
00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:48,380
No, we haven't.

560
00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:50,360
I figure I got most of those right.

561
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:52,660
I think Nathan is a cage dancer, though.

562
00:24:52,860 --> 00:24:54,200
That seems like their vibe.

563
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,900
Yeah. His vibe is vibe.

564
00:24:55,900 --> 00:24:57,300
That seems like his vibe.

565
00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:58,660
Yeah. All right.

566
00:24:58,660 --> 00:25:00,200
Don't use the cowards. I know.

567
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,260
Pay us money. Yeah.

568
00:25:02,260 --> 00:25:04,500
Give me, give me, give me for good, high quality stuff.

569
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:05,740
Actually, pay us money.

570
00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:07,940
We'll forget your name. Yeah, exactly.

571
00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:10,640
You can hear me. Fuck it up a bunch every time.

572
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,840
I won't forget your name because I'll have never learned it.

573
00:25:14,740 --> 00:25:16,780
Never kiss him on the lips.

574
00:25:16,780 --> 00:25:19,060
Yeah, you got to leave him wanting. Bye bye.

575
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,900
So did anyone else think when he was telling the story about

576
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:38,060
Franco and the daughter disappearing that he had sex with his like

577
00:25:38,460 --> 00:25:41,580
adopted like niece?

578
00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:43,340
Yeah, kind of.

579
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,380
I don't know. It was very like I was just like, wait, wait,

580
00:25:46,380 --> 00:25:48,580
what is that supposed to be the girl is why are they telling us the story?

581
00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:50,040
I don't like the story anymore.

582
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,380
Oh, no, no.

583
00:25:52,380 --> 00:25:54,520
And then it made more sense like, oh, good, good.

584
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,420
That poor girl just died.

585
00:25:56,420 --> 00:26:25,180
Yup.

