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What you are listening to is real. The participants are not actors. They are real people with a case pending in Podcast Court.

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Hello, I'm Producer Peter and welcome to Cage Match, a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage, Podcast Court.

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Today's case is between a drunk with a good heart and a drunk with a good heart.

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Oh God.

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Oh my God.

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Fuck!

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So I think my cat's gone completely deaf.

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I was going to say it wouldn't be a regular Cage Match episode without you yelling at Taco at some point.

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Oh, Jesus, I'm just testing at this point. So she's gotten really she's gotten really good about screaming the songs of her people at all hours of the night.

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I'm woken up at least three times a night by this cat.

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Pete and Rico have a new thing. Speaking of songs of their people, they've just been sitting at the bar going, I chihuahua.

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Holy shit. Oh my God.

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Why does Pete think that he can do that?

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Well, technically, Pete was doing it first and Rico started.

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Yeah, OK.

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Because they're both stupid and I love it.

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So I just recently was reminded of the term Flanderization.

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Hmm. So are you unnecessarily left hand something or?

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Yeah, right.

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No, it's like in in a long running show where a character just gets like simplified down to like its most basic premise and then just becomes like that Flanders.

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I mean, that's where it comes from. It's just like all of us, you know, a three dimensional character becomes like just the one thing.

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And that happened to Rico real quick.

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And now he's a person.

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I miss the hat mostly.

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So Carlos, these are people that you don't know at all or give a shit about.

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So that's great conversation, right?

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OK, cool. Well, Carlos, welcome. Thank you for being here.

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It's good to see you again. Yeah, thank you for.

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And yeah, man, it's been a while. It's been a few years, man.

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Yeah. Ever since you decided to leave me for DocuSign, we were going to make you sign a DocuSign and then thought it was maybe too rude.

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We're going to send you an NDA.

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It's it's OK. DocuSign dumped me, so don't worry about it.

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Certainly no hard feelings. Right. Right. No, not at all.

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After eight years. So how do you and Nick know each other?

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We go back to the Hollywood Lights days.

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Yeah, we were warehouse office schlubs schlubs schlubs schlubs. Right.

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Yeah, I moved to Seattle back in 2015, 2014, and then started working at Hollywood Lights and met Nick.

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You know, he he showed me the ropes. Was it the right way? I don't know.

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I've been calling my penis the ropes for at least nine years.

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I'm learning that today. God, I hate that. That's a good joke.

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Oh, man. It's all downhill from here.

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So, yeah, that's how far back we go now.

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But you're back down in California where you have avocados and you don't have to endure the months of rain that we're currently starting up.

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No, I know exactly. It's it's been nice having sunshine for 300 days out of the year.

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Having fruit trees in my backyard. Got to love it. Yeah, that's that's how we know each other.

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We work together. Great. Good job. Nice. Nice introductions.

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We work. We work and drink together. Yeah.

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But before we work together, you've done other like cool things.

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So like, OK, I'm always excited because you used to work with IMAX like.

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Like screening films or something, right? Like, how did that job like really work out?

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I like to talk about this one because it's super weird because you watch the movies for a living.

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No, that's cool as fuck. I want to know all about that.

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No, absolutely. No, I worked. I worked for IMAX and their post production digital post.

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So we did all the 3D 4K conversion for all their feature films.

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So basically, I sat there and did all the conversions to DCPs and digital certified packages, our sort of digital cinema packages.

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I've got a certified package. I bet you do. It's analog, though.

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We basically had to see them, basically watch them, make sure there wasn't any sort of digital hits.

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I definitely specialize in more in the subtitle aspect of it.

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So I have to watch the movies in multiple language subtitles, sometimes four times a day.

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Sometimes the same way. Same movie.

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Did you know all the languages?

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No, we just we had a script in that language and we just followed it along.

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Oh, OK. You didn't just like stare at it and kind of go, yeah, that makes sense.

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Yeah, I'd buy that one.

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Like, I don't know. It's got all the right curves.

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After a while, you do recognize, you know, you recognize, you know, wait a minute, this isn't Japanese.

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You know, Cyrillic isn't really Asian.

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So, yeah, you know, you start recognizing the characters and you know when something doesn't seem right or fit.

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What's the worst movie you had to watch multiple times in one day?

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And why was it leaving Las Vegas?

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Probably, I would say either Australia with Nicole Kidman and Hugh Jackman.

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Oh, fuck, that's right. Right. Yeah. OK.

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I mean, that was also like critically panned, too.

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It's like one of those things where it's like, yeah, bad movies are bad movies.

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I want to know what your least favorite movie was that you had to watch multiple times that people thought was a good movie.

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We definitely did the anniversary for Titanic and I had to watch that because it was converted to 3D, right?

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And the three subtitles and that movie is long.

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So I had to watch that movie, I think, three times in one day.

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That's kind of suffering.

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That is more than an eight hour a day.

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How do subtitles work in 3D?

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Do they like, do they come at you?

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But like, they can't just stay in the background if shit's in front of it.

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No, they so in the beginning, we had we had to manually adjust them on the screen because they had to be in the right axis.

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Right. And then after a couple of years of subtitling companies,

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they figured out the formula and how to how to make those subtitles land on the right axis on the screen.

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So it's not behind. So when I first started, actually, I talk about bad movies.

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The first movie I had to work on was Green Hornet with Seth Rogen. Oh, nice.

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I had to sit there and manually adjust just about every subtitle that popped up because you had to make sure they were not sitting behind, you know, the picture.

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They had to be in front of the pictures. Yeah.

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But yeah, it was watching movies over and over again.

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What are the what's it called?

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Lone Ranger was another one out of what's the Johnny Depp with fucking the people leader.

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Yeah, I love that both of them are like people like old TV remakes or old like radio play.

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Yeah, movie remakes are just like nightmare stories.

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I had a friend who I think we're going to have on eventually who his first job was working at a video like a local video rental store.

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And they got like eight copies of Halle Berry's Catwoman in and they had to make sure they all worked.

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So his first like week of work was just watching Catwoman.

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Hmm. I'm pretty sure they were fucking with them.

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But that's what he got paid to do for a week. God, that's so bad to just ordering a fucking white Russian hold the everything.

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It's like you just want milk. Yes.

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I love the concept of getting up to change the movie and just swapping out one Catwoman DVD for the next Catwoman DVD.

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It's like, oh, finally, it's over. Let me just put in the next film.

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And she she begged me that movie, too.

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Oh, that's rough.

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I'm surprised they didn't get her Catwoman into the flash. Oh, God, that would have been so bad.

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I mean, it couldn't have hurt that movie. No, fair enough.

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OK, so back to IMAX 3D films.

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Nicholas Cage has done two 3D films in Drive Angry and Ghost Rider 2.

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Did you get to watch either of them? Nope.

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I don't think they made an IMAX version of those. It's a shame.

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They a lot of them weren't made in IMAX version.

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They would just so they would shoot them in 2D and then we get all the reels and convert them digitally to 3D.

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So, oh, OK. Yeah.

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So we would get reel by reel and then we would we would go in and import all the files and they'd start basically sinking.

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It's it's it's double it's double images, right? You have a left eye and a right eye.

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So once we get those those files and don't tell me what kind of eyes I've got to write eyes.

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And then we would start basically compressing them, the files, and then having a left eye and right eye being compressed.

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And that can take overnight.

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So hopefully you compress them correctly.

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The next day, somebody gets those files and starts ingesting them. Otherwise, you fucked up.

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Oh, I'm sure. Oh, yeah, it happened.

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That's that's before I moved to Seattle.

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That's where I bought I bought a clip because it happened with with a Clash of the Titans, the remake, the reboot.

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It was classic times.

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That would have been Malcolm McDowell just bustin.

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Was that the one that like notoriously just had the worst 3D ever?

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Like it just like didn't work.

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Caligula.

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Just one doesn't translate.

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It's always weirdly inverted.

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Jumps back and forth.

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I mean, there's no there's no good place to put this in.

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So I'm just going to put in a welcome back to cage magical and around about what you're doing.

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Nicholas Cage, my co-host, Nick, I'm Nick and our producer, Peter.

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Hello. What is going on right now?

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Joined by Carlos.

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Did you just get quiet or is that just me?

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We got sadder, I think.

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Yeah. Once we moved on from.

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Yeah. Now we have to actually talk about real shit.

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Fuck.

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So kind of like the

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so Carlos, have you seen leaving Las Vegas before?

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I have. And as a matter of fact, I'll be completely honest.

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I just did a rewatch last week.

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Oh, I knocked it out first thing this morning.

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And that is a weird one to wake up to.

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I'm like, well, I've got some chores, but I'm going to be sad during them.

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Yeah, no, I had seen it when it first came out and 3D and 3D.

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Yeah. He had a left and a right eye.

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Whoa.

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So everything stereoscopic. It was amazing.

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What year did this movie come out again? I think it was 90s, 95 or 96.

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So what did you think about it the first time you ever saw it?

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Because this one completely missed my radar when I was that age, because I was 11.

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This would be a weird movie to take an 11 year old to.

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My seven year old loved it.

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Yeah, but he's cool.

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Yeah. So what was the the post theater reaction to something like that?

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I mean, I like it back then. I thought it was really good.

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I thought Nicolas Cage was awesome in that movie.

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And then, you know, you rewatch it, but almost 20 years later, no, 30 years later.

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Jesus Christ.

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And I'm like, why Elizabeth Shoe? Why? Why can why that casting?

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Yeah, I mean, she kind of embodies empty inside.

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And I guess that works. But I mean,

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you're not wrong, but that's like a that's a brutal statement.

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I watch her act and I just think nothing.

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I kind of forgot how jacked she is in this, though, like she's really fucking fit.

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Oh, sure. I still look at that.

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The cover you did, Peter, of Nick and I.

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And I look at those are I look like the arms and I'm like,

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I wish my arms looked like that's what I'm saying.

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Yeah, those are good arms. Good arms.

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Strong enough to lift a Nick Cage, probably.

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Do a hundred Nick Cage benches.

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You just got to start working out your arms six inches at a time

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for a good 30, 40 minutes a day and you'll have great arms as well.

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There you go. That's a jerk off joke.

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Sorry, that's a hand job joke. Yeah, it's still a job.

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And in today's America, we need all the jobs we can get.

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I got to get my job.

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So, Carlos, you saw it originally.

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I mean, it didn't make like a major impact on you,

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but you did think that it was a good movie.

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What was new for you on rewatching it 30 years later?

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Why Elizabeth Shoe?

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OK, fair.

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No, definitely a little bit over the top at times.

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The whole Russian mob thing.

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I was like, what what what is this all about?

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That is a kind of weird thing to just have in there. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

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I was amazed at how many faces I'm like, oh, he's in this movie.

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Oh, he's in this movie.

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Did you see French Stewart? Oh, yeah.

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Like when Dedric Bader shows up in the beginning, Danny Houston,

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there's just like a lot of fucking faces. Yeah.

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Wait, you mean French Stewart, right?

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French Stewart. Yeah.

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Dedric Bader is not in this movie. No, no.

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The other one, they're the same.

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One has eyes open. One has eyes squinty.

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One was on the Alien show. One was on the Drew Carey show.

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It's fine. One still has a career.

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Also, I think Dedric Bader is going to be in the Hallmark

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original Chiefs related football Christmas special as well.

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So obviously nailing it.

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OK, so he's made some some choices in life and now he needs money.

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I see what it is. Don't we all? Yeah.

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But you're right.

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Like Laurie Metcalf is the landlady at the fucking hotel.

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You know, like that's these are all great castings for that time period, too.

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Richard Lewis went before. Oh, yeah. Richard Lewis. Right.

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You're like, holy shit, he looks alive.

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The guy from Wings, right? He's in there. Yeah.

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Steven Weber. Yeah. Hmm.

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Which one's a Steven Weber? I've never seen Wings.

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He was also in the remake of The Shining, the made for TV remake.

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You're not helping Nick.

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I haven't finished watching the original Shining.

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What? It's long. Watch it in 3D to check the subtitles.

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That might be what I need to do.

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Steven Weber. He was one of the guys that was with.

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He was a guy with having dinner with Richard Lewis.

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Lewis was an agent and Steven Weber was, I guess, a new client.

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And they're getting up those checks of dinner.

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Yeah, I know. I mean, there's a lot of things that I saw.

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And I'm like, wow, I don't know if this really holds up nowadays.

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I still think Nicolas Cage is awesome in it.

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Yeah, his performance is, I mean, understandably incredible.

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Well, yeah, he won the Oscar for it.

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I know Nicolas Cage, just the way he delivers his freaking just any character.

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You know, he's gung ho, man. I don't know. I know he gets a lot of shit,

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but I think he's fucking great whenever he gets the right, the right role.

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Even the wrong role, to be honest.

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You know, he deserved that Oscar for that role.

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Well, I was thinking about that this week with his like just there is the

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if you're not an aficionado of Nick Cage, you have there is the oh, Nick Cage is a bad actor.

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He's just a guy who makes like and loud noises.

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Do that one again, please. Look at a role like this or you look at the other movie we watched, Joe.

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It's just like there's so much depth to what he can do.

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And then you get a character like this in Leaving Las Vegas,

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where it's such a good and subtle performance at times that really does allow for him to just like scream and throw tables.

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And it's kind of the best of like everything he has.

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Yeah, no, I think I think he approaches everything, you know, fearlessly.

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I mean, I think he's just like, I'm going to do it.

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I'm going to do it. You know, and that's that's, you know, coming from an acting background.

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That's the guy that can do.

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I think, you know, there's been other performances where I've watched him and I'm just like, where where do you come up with that shit?

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Even just little like roles like in kick ass.

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I fucking love them as a dad and kick ass. Big daddy.

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Yeah. Yeah. A little subtly easy.

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But yeah, this movie was was definitely, definitely different from previously what he had done.

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So seeing all this when I first saw it definitely blew me away.

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And watching him again, I'm like, yeah, he deserves it for that role.

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There were two things that really stood out to me. And we've talked about it before in the past.

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But like his ability to play drunk in a scene is second to none.

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I mean, like Colin Farrell spent most of his early acting career being fucking blasted, drunk and acting.

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That's because he's Irish, though. Right.

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And then he got sober and he still is a great actor and cage.

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You know, in this case, he like did all this deep fucking dive work on getting super drunk.

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And like what he was able to do is actually turn that into something that is real and feels accurate.

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And the second thing that I was going to say is that this this really does kind of blow me away every time is that like you shouldn't like him.

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Like he is a guy who fine, your wife left you because you are a drunk and you lost your job because you are a drunk.

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And you decided to kill yourself because you are a drunk and you're still kind of like rooting for him.

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And that that's a testament to I mean, some of it is script, but, you know, some of it or most of it is him.

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You know, he fucking just crushes it as this character that you have sympathy for and empathy for for whatever reason,

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even though he's like not a good dude, necessarily.

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He's not necessarily a bad dude. No, no, not a bad dude.

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Just like a lost fucking soul.

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You know, like and he's kind of a shit bag to her.

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You know, he doesn't have to try and fuck that prostitute.

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Sorry, sex worker.

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He chooses to do that in one of his drunk fugue states.

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And that like is what fractures his relationship with her.

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That's a shitty thing to do.

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But he still has all these other things about him that seem to redeem him.

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It's an interesting role for sure.

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No, no. And, you know, and you get that in the beginning when he's being let go from from the agency,

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when he's like, you know, this is too generous and like we like having you around, which goes to show that he was he was a like well, like guy.

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You know, it's some rock bottom depression.

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And the thing is, we know, I mean, did his wife leave him because he was a drunkard?

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Has it ever, you know, discussed that she left him?

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Right. He even poses the question like twice of like, am I drinking because she left me or did she leave me because I was drinking?

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Like, so it's always kind of open and I never I've not finished the book.

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Clearly, I got 20 pages into a scene that was like way too heavy.

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And I was like, I'll come back to this. This isn't a lunch break story.

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And closed forever out the window.

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I know sitting next to my computer at home.

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I know we've talked about his performance of this and how he like studied his own mannerisms when he was drunk, which is why I think it is so naturalistic.

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It's one thing to like act like, oh, this is how a drunk person acts.

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It's another thing to videotape yourself blacking out so you know how you act when you're drunk.

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It's like a dancer, right?

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You you dance in front of a mirror to see if you're hitting that move, hitting that, you know, that point.

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So same thing with acting. You know, you you definitely want to, you know, get in front of a mirror, see yourself, see if it's if it's being delivered, you know, believable, believable.

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You know, there's a lot of stuff that he's done in the past that impressed me so much.

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And as far as his ability to act and sometimes people just look at him like this crappy actor who's not that great, you know, just is a one note actor.

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But I disagree. I think he's he's has so many levels to him in that vein.

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I think it's kind of like unfortunate that he gets so maligned as like a bad actor because he's in movies like this.

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But then, like, if you say Christopher Lee, everybody's like, oh, yeah, Christopher Lee, he's a great actor.

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Well, fucking Christopher Lee is in season of The Witch.

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That was a weird, sad one.

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Like, like he's a working actor also. He's just in garbage movies all the time.

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Well, and again, I don't think we have that.

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We don't really have that concept of a working actor in this country.

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Like Hollywood has made it like, you know, you have to be a star.

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There's no credit given to just outside of TV, just people who are just do the who just do the job.

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Right. And that's the thing.

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It's like I've heard more people say, I don't want to be an assar.

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I just want to be an assar, working actor.

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I just want to work for my craft, get paid for my craft.

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Well, sure, you got to say that for a little while because you're not a star.

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Like you don't want to look like an egotistical asshole.

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You're just like, no, I'm in it because I love doing it.

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It's like, no, motherfucker, you want to get paid to I want to get paid.

321
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Absolutely. You want to get paid, you know, trying to get that big podcast money.

322
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Yeah. I'm next to Rogan. Watch out.

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I can't wait to sell out. I'm going to.

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People are going to be talking to us in a make or break presidential situation in 28.

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Trust me on that. You can take that to the bank. Russell Brand, 2028.

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We're calling it now. Let's go.

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Let's elect an English person.

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Fuck the rules.

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I heard rules don't matter anymore. There are no more rules.

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Who cares? Whatever.

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OK, so we agree.

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Nicolas Cage is a pretty good actor. Agreed. He did it this time.

333
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He did. He kind of nails it. Yeah.

334
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Yeah. I'm finally sold on it now.

335
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It only took us three years, but we got there, guys.

336
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Yes.

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But what do you think of the movie in general?

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The movie in general? Yeah. Direction, cinematography, anything, music, music.

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Oh, yeah. Mostly music. Let's get that out of the way real quick.

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Yeah. Both Sting songs sucked.

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They shit. It's definitely dated, man.

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Oh, my God. It's so hard.

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Like as soon as the music came back on and Josie was like, OK, I got to go.

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It's like, fuck, I wish I could leave.

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It's like Mike Figg is playing sax is not the fucking vibe that I need for this movie.

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OK, what's worse as a repeated song in a soundtrack, this Sting song or the Black Eyed Peas in G-Force?

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G-Force Boom Boom Pow. Oh, God. I don't know.

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I think I'd rather have Boom Boom Pow.

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If they had slipped one Boom Boom Pow into this, I would have been OK.

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Like the jazz precursor to Boom Boom Pow.

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Yeah, that's it.

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It was just so overdone.

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It was like, all right.

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Like I said, it was definitely dated for the time, you know, watching it now.

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I'm just like, Jesus Christ, it's almost as bad as an 80s movie with the freaking music video montages.

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I can't say the back then. Yeah, they did a good job of depressing us early.

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So that way we were ready to be depressed later.

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True, true.

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The the ending also, I don't know.

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Oh, like ghost hand job or her last words.

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I love them like, Jesus Christ.

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Like, all right.

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Yeah, I mean, their relationship is a tough one for me to swallow.

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Like I can get into it tough one.

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It hurt to swallow. All right.

366
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I stepped in that one. I'm sorry, everybody.

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It's like I get that she's you know, she's had trauma in her life and all these things.

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And he's sort of this doting doofus.

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But like, I just don't understand why she is so smitten with him so fast.

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Like I get why he is with her. She's sort of this angelic creature that is taking care of him and interested in him, even though he's in this like suicide spiral.

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But like, why the fuck does she give a shit about him? I just I don't I don't get it.

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Yeah, it's certainly not because he is uninterested in sex, but interested in her the person.

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It's like, no, I mean, like he's just incapable of sex and he talks about it enough.

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Clearly, he's not looking past her profession.

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What if he was actually really good at fucking?

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He did tell the girl in the bar that he was.

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And drunk people never lie.

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I fucking love that scene, too.

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That scene is so good. I'm very good at sex.

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Trust me, it's going to be good. I promise I'm very good at sex.

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That's how I got married. I just wanted to talk to you because you're so good looking.

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I love growling my compliments at a drink and hoping some lady hears it and just gets juiced up.

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I was dating, Sean.

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I don't like the term juiced up in this.

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You've podcasted with Nick for fucking years.

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You know this was coming.

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Speed dating's fun. It's a it's a great way to try out material, especially on like record day.

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I'm like, OK, go like try out the worst stuff and I can see what gets a laugh.

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Well, next time you can try out juiced up.

390
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Good work. Hey, girl, I'm just here.

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I got a one minute to get you juiced up.

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Let me hit you with some of these bangers.

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God.

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But Carlos, you actually do have a good perspective as somebody who has watched a lot of films.

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What do you think about the overall direction of this movie in general?

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Because my biggest concern or biggest challenge with this one is like, I think the performance fucking rules.

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I think the movie kind of sucks.

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I can I can I can understand that.

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And it's funny because I forgot it was Mike Vegas.

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But then I'm like, what else can you fucking do?

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And what's his production company again?

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It's like Red Mullet or Magic Mullet.

403
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Yeah, Red Mullet. Right. Yeah.

404
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Yeah, it was it was I I didn't think it was that great as far as the direction goes.

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You know, I think I'll say that like with the direction, there was one thing that this rewatch I found they do a pretty decent job.

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Like, I mean, the story has been rearranged a bit for, you know, good narrative reason.

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But they do a pretty decent job of like easing you into how shitty of a time you're about to have.

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Like they start you out with like, oh, let's like he's drunk.

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Let's have a laugh at the drunk guy.

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And the laughs get a little smaller and smaller until like you're just not having a good time anymore.

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That's a hard one. Like, why do why do people like this movie when it's like, I'm going to ease you into being just upset for like.

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And you're upset for over an hour by the time the last stop.

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It's like, no, we're solidly into just like this is bad.

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They can't all be Schindler's List. OK. Hey, man. Stop it.

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I can't even mention that movie without getting me. Come on. Come on.

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I have a serious talk about sad stuff. Coming here is Schindler's List.

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We watch Reckon for a Dream. That's exactly what I was thinking, too.

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That's funny, because as Nick was talking about that, I was like Requiem for a Dream.

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It's like that movie is beautiful and so well done, but it's like, oh, right.

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Suffering. So the day we leave for our guys weekend this Friday,

421
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SIF is doing what they're calling their Unstreamable series.

422
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It's just movies that can't be seen or shouldn't be seen elsewhere.

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And they're kicking it off with gummo. Oh, my God.

424
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And I'm like, oh, man, do I do I want to be late to guys weekend so I can see gummo in theaters?

425
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I mean, you probably should. So when I there was a period of time where I was doing the faux

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hawk and the first time I did it, I was like feeling kind of good. I was like, I'm glad I did this.

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And I walked into the lion and Pete was there and he just goes, what's up, gummo?

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I was like, fuck you, Pete.

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Carlos, did you have like a favorite scene or anything from this movie?

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The the motel scene, they she crashes onto the table and she seems so apologetic and genuine.

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And the motel manager comes up with like, yeah, you can get the fuck out now.

432
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We know a lot of fuck ups who come through here. Yeah.

433
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Hmm. It was it was just so demoralizing more so than any other scene for me, because I'm like,

434
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oh, she's trying to be human for once. And this lady's like, no, no.

435
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Yeah, I know who you are. You can leave now. Get the fuck out.

436
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And that goes back to like you were saying earlier, you know, why why was she so, you know, in love,

437
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:06,120
quote unquote, with this guy? But I just didn't buy as as good as decent performance that she had.

438
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,120
I just didn't buy the grittiness in her as far as a hooker.

439
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,120
I think I think the casting choice was not the best, to be honest.

440
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,120
I could have been somebody different that I would definitely believed that sort of personality

441
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,120
and those choices more so than with her. All right. Top three, Sarah choices.

442
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:30,120
What do you got? I probably I probably would have gone with Juliet Lewis.

443
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,120
Good choice. OK. Probably back then.

444
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,120
I see 96. Who was who was back then?

445
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,120
Helen Hunt was in a lot. It was in everything back then.

446
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:46,120
We just saw Twister last night. That's funny.

447
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,120
Pretty much like the same thing.

448
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Oh, I was going to say a Bernhardt would be interesting, but like not hot enough for that.

449
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:02,120
Yeah, Bernhardt. No, I think at that point, maybe her age would have been appropriate

450
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,120
because she was awesome. And, you know, King of Comedy playing sort of the same role,

451
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,120
which is one of my favorite comedies.

452
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,120
We got to be a pretty interesting choice. I'd probably throw Christopher Lee in there.

453
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,120
Christopher Lee, he definitely could have done it. He would have taken the role. He needs to work.

454
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:22,120
Working actors, man, you know, Christopher Lee needs another summer house or whatever the fuck.

455
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,120
Actually, you know, just put enough makeup on him.

456
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,120
He would pull off that like mid 90s Vegas hooker look.

457
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,120
I think you just give him the whole syphilitic thing, you know. Oh, yeah.

458
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,120
Oh, just straight up like he's got the plague. Yeah, why not? That's fair.

459
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,120
You're looking for a good time.

460
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:48,120
I can't wait until another hooker knocks on my window and I mistake it for somebody just trying to hang out.

461
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,120
That's that's a life goal.

462
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,120
Yeah. What's going on tonight?

463
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:59,120
It's like, well, I got to go home. I just got off work. But if there's parties, I need to know.

464
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,120
Yeah, man. What's popping? I'm an idiot.

465
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120
So this is more a question for our side of things.

466
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,120
Was there something that you guys really felt was new and fresh this time?

467
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,120
I mean, this is our third official watching of this movie.

468
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:21,120
Mm hmm. Uh, I mean, I think my decline into dread was a little more fresh this time.

469
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:26,120
It does kick off like kind of jovial enough.

470
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,120
Like he doesn't he whistle in that supermarket? I don't know.

471
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,120
I was whistling. But yeah, then it's like, oh, my God, oh, my God.

472
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,120
And then like something would happen in the movie.

473
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,120
I'm like, oh, my God, we haven't even gotten to like the gang rape scene.

474
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,120
Oh, I forgot about that scene. I totally forgot about that scene.

475
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,120
That is in the first 30 pages of the book. Really?

476
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,120
I mean, the book is fairly short, but yeah, it's only like 150 pages.

477
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,120
But it's still like that. That happens fast. Yeah.

478
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:02,120
That's where I set it down because I was like, well, this is my lunch break. So I don't like this.

479
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Yeah, I mean, we're starting to get closer and closer to rewatches now.

480
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:12,120
And it's one of those things where it being as fresh as it is, like Nick said, it's kind of.

481
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:20,120
I think the dread is just starts at an earlier place because I'm so aware of what's happening.

482
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:29,120
I think I focus a lot more on the individual performances for this one more than I do like the actual story,

483
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,120
because as we've said, it is it is rough.

484
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:38,120
This is not like something that is necessarily fun to watch and fun to rewatch.

485
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:43,120
Yeah. You know, I noticed that it's a lot harder to drink along with him at seven in the morning.

486
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,120
Yeah, that's true. So I try to strive for authenticity.

487
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:53,120
My only takeaway is that the other times I've watched this, I've been like so checked out for the beginning.

488
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:58,120
Twelve minutes or whatever it is before the actual title card shows up where it's like it doesn't feel like it matters all that much.

489
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,120
I mean, it's this fuck up guy, you know, but this time I watched it again.

490
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,120
I was like, these really do set the stage for why I care about that guy a little bit more.

491
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:14,120
Those are the last moments where you get to like absorb whatever history and life he has.

492
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:19,120
Right. It mattered more to me this time seeing those.

493
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:24,120
It's the only time you get to like see photos of his wife and child. Right.

494
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:30,120
Carlos, had you watched the movie Joe that this one's going up against or have you watched?

495
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:38,120
I have not. There's an R&B artist named Joe who's going to be playing up in the Seattle casino areas.

496
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,120
Recent like soon. What a fucking power play to just claim Joe.

497
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,120
Yeah. All the commercials have been like something, something, something and Joe.

498
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:53,120
And it's like, Joe. Yeah, I was I was driving back from Tacoma where my wife's parents live.

499
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,120
And it was just a big sign that said Joe and I was like, fuck Joe.

500
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,120
Is that is that is that fat Joe's new name now because he's not that anymore.

501
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:07,120
No, Fat Joe still I think Fat Joe or maybe he's like reformed Joe.

502
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Well, this guy was an average Joe.

503
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,120
What would be your like push for this movie?

504
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,120
Like, why do you think that this movie belongs in the upper echelon of cage movies?

505
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,120
You know, it sounds like you've got a good experience with cage movies in general, good experience with movies in general.

506
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,120
What why do you think that people should give a shit about leaving Las Vegas and watch this movie?

507
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,120
I think it's one of his top performances.

508
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:42,120
I think, you know, top, top three next to adaptation, which I thought he was freaking awesome adaptation.

509
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,120
One of my favorite movies in which role.

510
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:51,120
Yeah, which coffin, which coffin did you prefer? Which one really sold it for you?

511
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,120
And why Donald and why Donald? Exactly.

512
00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:00,120
You guys, you guys knew that about Tim Burton and Superman with Nicholas Cage.

513
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,120
I wish that would have come into fruition. That would have been awesome to see.

514
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:14,120
It would have been incredible. I'm a little less thrilled about the long hair from the like production stills or like the costume stills we saw.

515
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,120
It's prime Superman mullet era, though Superman had her hair in the comics.

516
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Yeah, it just like I've seen better mullets.

517
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:29,120
Yeah. Listening to Tim Burton talk about why he cast Nick Cage, his reasoning was, well, Nick Cage is a fucking alien.

518
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,120
So you get him to play an alien. Right.

519
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,120
It would have been awesome to see. I guess to see what you're going to do with it.

520
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:46,120
Oh, I would. You know, I don't often argue for reboots or remake some movies, but I would do a Nicholas Cage led K Pax.

521
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,120
I think I could get into that K Pax. I forgot about that.

522
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,120
I would watch him like just bite into a banana sideways or.

523
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,120
Well, we can't watch. We can't watch the original K Pax anymore, so we might as well remake it.

524
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,120
On the blank check podcast, they were talking about how there should have been a recasting.

525
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:12,120
So John Travolta was in a movie called Michael, who plays like a fallen angel who like sucks and fucks and smokes and drinks and all that kind of stuff.

526
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,120
I know the life. Yeah.

527
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:20,120
And they were thinking like what they really should have done is cast him in City of Angels and let Nick Cage play Michael and Michael.

528
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,120
And it would have been both better for both actors and their careers.

529
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:30,120
And I can totally see that it would have been better for me because then I would have had to watch City of Angels, which did have Nick Offerman.

530
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,120
And that's pretty cool. It did have Nick Offerman and Meg Ryan.

531
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:39,120
Meg Ryan was that who was Ryan Ryan Ryan got hit by a fucking logging truck.

532
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,120
Pancakes by a logging truck. That movie sucks.

533
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:50,120
It's so bad. No, yeah, no, I think his performance is probably the main reason to watch it.

534
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:57,120
I think, you know, back then it was a breakthrough for him back then, even though I thought, you know, you know, I got to raise in Arizona already.

535
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:03,120
He Moonstruck for me is one of my favorite roles that he's done.

536
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:09,120
You know, Peggy Sue got married. Freaking love him in that movie.

537
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,120
And I wasn't a fan back then until I saw him in that movie.

538
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:18,120
And I was like, OK, this guy's fucking hilarious. He's great. Oh, Peggy Sue. Peggy Sue turned you. Yes.

539
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,120
Peggy Sue turned me. Wow. Yeah.

540
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:33,120
Peggy. Yeah, that's awesome.

541
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,120
That's a good one to to make you a Nicolas Cage fan. I like that.

542
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,120
Absolutely. But yeah, I mean, that's that's my top, you know, reason why you should watch it.

543
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:50,120
We love Las Vegas. I mean, I'm sure it's fucking depressing, but it is an incredible performance.

544
00:39:50,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Yes. And for somebody who's known for his performances to provide something that is just so like just raw and clean.

545
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:07,120
Right. If you can you be raw and clean? I mean, isn't that what exfoliating is for?

546
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:12,120
There you go. Yeah. Skin's freshest layer. Yeah. I just hit it with that pumice stone.

547
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:19,120
That's about to say a loofah. Yeah, absolutely.

548
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:28,120
Still a great performance, still just one of his top performances and just one of Hollywood's just best performances, in my opinion.

549
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:34,120
Yeah, I'm really so satisfied to be sad. Right.

550
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:42,120
Yeah, no, agreed. I think one of the best performances he's had in his career, you know, that led him to be able to buy in a castle.

551
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:49,120
So there you go. Things went well and then didn't.

552
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,120
Things went well, but not that well, not castle well.

553
00:40:54,120 --> 00:41:02,120
Yeah, you were you were a superman or action comics one castle and Tyrannosaurus Rex skull successful for a little bit.

554
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,120
Oh, not long to King Cobras and two King Cobras.

555
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:15,120
Now he doesn't have one King Cobra. He only has one raven. To be fair, even after he bought them, he was often only in possession of one King Cobra.

556
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,120
Fair enough. That's like you're talking about the beer, the molten liquor.

557
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:26,120
Now he bought some Cobras and they kept getting out. So his neighbors complained because they were just loose Cobras.

558
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,120
Stop having open air vents, man.

559
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:43,120
Well, Carlos, thank you a lot for coming on. I know I know scheduling with me is just the worst, but now we can get back to not texting each other the way friendships are meant to be.

560
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:48,120
Perfect. Absolutely. The best friendship to have.

561
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,120
All right, guys, it was a pleasure, man. Thanks for having me.

562
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:58,120
So Nick Horn quack, officially first time on the podcast.

563
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,120
Yes, last year, I mean, probably.

564
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:09,120
Let's just start off with facts. Yeah, I wanted to impress you to think.

565
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,120
Well, I mean, how long did it take you to actually listen to us? Actually, let's go back to the beginning. All right.

566
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:22,120
Let's tell me about the original listening experience to cage match, because obviously we were in our darker days being our starting times.

567
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:29,120
But yeah, short version is I first listened to your second episode, I think was adaptation.

568
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,120
And I forgot the other one.

569
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,120
Army of one army of one. Remember that name? Yes. OK.

570
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:45,120
And I was so upset over how you treated adaptation that I vowed never to listen again and to find better friends.

571
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:52,120
Neither of those things happen. And then you proceeded to do nothing but go to the same bar.

572
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,120
Yeah, yeah, that'll happen.

573
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,120
And it turns out meeting people is hard when you do the same thing every day.

574
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:03,120
And so I just eventually just do what I do. Skip town.

575
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:08,120
Now, thinking about it, actually, I was pretty sure you learned that from Hornback.

576
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,120
It is true. I have done this move before. Just closer.

577
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,120
But but yeah, anyways, yes.

578
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:25,120
So I first listened to the adaptation episode and army of one one and and and then I was very upset.

579
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:32,120
It's kind of the short version. And but no, recently I've listened quite a bit more and enjoyed it.

580
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,120
And I was like, oh, I should probably hang out with you guys.

581
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:41,120
So I'm glad that this podcast is what made you feel like you wanted to hang out with us.

582
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,120
Yeah, that's the worst reason to decide to be our friend.

583
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:51,120
Not the five years of friendship, but just listening to us talk in a room without you.

584
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,120
Yeah, about dumb nonsense. It made me miss you guys.

585
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,120
So all right. Yeah.

586
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:04,120
And then you got the joy of coming on for arguably the most depressing head to head that we've had so far.

587
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,120
Oh, no, I'm excited about this, actually. I truly am.

588
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,120
I've always kind of loved just depression moods in general.

589
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,120
I knew sadness would be the hook. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

590
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,120
And both these are obviously really sad movies.

591
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,120
As I was walking over here, it was a really dreary November day.

592
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,120
And it really just set the mood right for both these films.

593
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:32,120
And ultimately, I do strongly believe that Joe is a much more depressing movie than leaving Las Vegas.

594
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:37,120
And so for that reason, I thoroughly enjoyed both.

595
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,120
But Joe is by far better. Wow. Getting right into it. All right.

596
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:52,120
That's nice and strong. I will I will agree that Joe definitely comes out arguing to be a stronger, sad film

597
00:44:52,120 --> 00:45:02,120
because you are told from the beginning that Nicolas Cage is going to kill himself through drinking and leaving Las Vegas from the beginning.

598
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:12,120
Like you just know. So if you're upset at the end that he does exactly what they tell you he's going to do, it's like, well, you need to change your expectations.

599
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,120
It was on the 10. Stop trying to fix people. Right.

600
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,120
Yeah. But, you know, also, Joe is very depressing from the beginning as well.

601
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:30,120
And, you know, it's like, you know, this is not going to be uplifting, especially with how many times they have happy uplifting scenes.

602
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,120
You just know, oh, man, this is all this isn't going to work out.

603
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:45,120
I mean, there's a couple, but ultimately, just about every scene I do find is just soul crushing and sad in that movie and in the movie, Joe.

604
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:59,120
And whereas I would say leaving Las Vegas is a, you know, it's a sad subject matter, but it plays to me like some kind of Hollywood romance where you have like, will they or won't they, you know, is she going to save him?

605
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:06,120
And, you know, it felt like, you know, just this Hollywood movie is depressing. It's it's it's really depressing.

606
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:15,120
But at the same time, Joe plays like it's just a slice of life in the world's most depressing town in the universe.

607
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:21,120
Man, that is so accurate. Like we've talked about it in the past, too, but like the biggest drama for the most part of this.

608
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:32,120
And one of the central dramas of this movie for the most part is this assumed issue between the fucking guy who went through the windshield at 4am.

609
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,120
He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck. No, not at all.

610
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,120
And it's like he got slighted because he got slapped in front of ladies and gentlemen.

611
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,120
And it's like, bro, this is your issue. Like, get the fuck over it.

612
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:53,120
I like, of course, he's part of the downfall of Joe. You know, it's like, that sucks. But that fucking that fucking guy.

613
00:46:53,120 --> 00:47:06,120
But I think that that when you look at it, Joe is equally easily slighted by the dumbest fucking shit and, you know, the drunker he gets, the more he just wants to react and cause problems.

614
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:11,120
To me, Willie is just about as bad as Joe is in this movie.

615
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:19,120
As far as like role models, I read the book for this thing, by the way, and it gets into some some more background to this.

616
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:29,120
But Joe is not a good person. I mean, he's good to some people in the film, but he's a very bad person.

617
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:37,120
Not not a role model, of course, better than Wade or G dog, as I like to call him, as we all like to call him.

618
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:43,120
Yeah. Yeah. Which that was, man, what a good casting choice on that. I still can't believe that.

619
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:52,120
That they not only did the casting on that, but then stuck with it through like clearly dealing with a very severe alcoholic.

620
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:57,120
Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, it was very true to him.

621
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:04,120
You know, the thing is, and right at the beginning of the movie, you find out that this guy is just an absolute piece of shit.

622
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:15,120
And I just love that opening scene where, you know, Gary is calling him out on it, this nice exposition. And then you never find out, by the way, what they want to beat him up for.

623
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,120
But it's something and it's probably because he's a real piece of shit.

624
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:27,120
And there's a there's a lot of filler scenes in the book where he's, you know, later on, you find out he's he like beats a homeless man to death.

625
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:41,120
And in this like book scene, he's like he robs him, takes his like money and food stamps and stuff, goes to the store and doesn't even spend the money just shoplifts from the store to get like more booze.

626
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:49,120
Can't use food stamps on booze. Yeah. Well, actually, maybe that was it. Yeah. I'm sure at this grocery store you could like that. That's not a well run.

627
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:55,120
It is. That's true. That's a good point. They probably were like, these are bananas.

628
00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:07,120
But yeah, you know, so when you're looking at all of the scenes in this movie and all the characters in it, there's very few redeemable characters as far as, you know, not being pieces of shit.

629
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:13,120
There's obviously the Dorothy was. Well, that's hard to be angry at her.

630
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:18,120
Yeah. Is her character different in the book? They don't flesh her out much.

631
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:27,120
She's not. She's basically not a character. I mean, she's silent and, you know, just meant to be sad. There is another daughter in the book, though, Faye.

632
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,120
And she's about 17 or 18 and actually gets her act together and just leaves.

633
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:42,120
And, you know, that's one of the things like I there's the mother in the story. And you always got to wonder, why is she sticking with this piece of shit?

634
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:51,120
Like she is making her children miserable because she's sticking with him. And so for that reason, I think she's also a bad person. Yeah.

635
00:49:51,120 --> 00:50:00,120
My take on it is looking down like two dead end roads. It's like, well, yeah, do I leave and be nothing or stay with this guy and be nothing?

636
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:06,120
I mean, definitely from the movie performance, I definitely, you know, there's a sense of meth there.

637
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:13,120
Oh, yeah, she certainly has some kind of like substance issue in the film. Yeah. But who doesn't? Yeah.

638
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,120
And Gary, well, and he gets drunk. He does. Yeah.

639
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:24,120
That was such a fucking good scene. He drinks many beers. I think it's the yeah, it's the abridged version of it.

640
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:32,120
First beer and and, you know, obviously just hanging out with Joe as Joe gets drunker and drunker and drunker.

641
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:39,120
And then like, so, you know, they just have their shenanigans together and go and looking for that dog.

642
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,120
And after a while, they're not even looking for the dog anymore. They're just like buddy.

643
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:48,120
Yeah. I would argue that they were looking for the dog initially.

644
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:57,120
Joe really loves dog, though. But he hates he hates the dog at the whorehouse and does not see any irony in that whatsoever.

645
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:02,120
So like his dog, I love dogs, just not that dog that dogs in a hole. Yeah.

646
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,120
And his dog isn't in a hole. Come on.

647
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:11,120
Like, yeah. What were your first beers? Oh, man. I had a Paps Blue Ribbon.

648
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:16,120
It was my buddy's uncle. I actually went to that guy's funeral.

649
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,120
I think mine was also PBR. Oh, yeah. You guys drink good stuff.

650
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:28,120
I remember being at the grocery store with a person with a fake ID and we got Milwaukee's best because of the beast.

651
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:33,120
We thought it was the good. The best. I mean, it's the best for Milwaukee. Yeah.

652
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:42,120
And I remember we were just having pizzas and beers and, you know, we crack open the pizzas and I'm like, oh, this is awesome.

653
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,120
But why do you get to ruin it with beer? Can we just get some Mountain Dew?

654
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:54,120
Which one did you have to chew more? Oh, man. Yeah. Bad times. Bad times.

655
00:51:54,120 --> 00:52:01,120
We're going to put an actual timer on you. Oh, two minute summary. OK. Of Joe. Do you want to get a timer? Sure.

656
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,120
I'll do the timer. Yeah. Oh, OK. All right. Now. Oh, crap. Oh, crap.

657
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:15,120
OK. So you start off, you meet Wade and Gary and family and you just you get to see that they got issues.

658
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:25,120
Then we see Joe and he's hanging out with his tree destroying crew because fuck biodiversity and groundwater.

659
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:35,120
I mean, who needs any of that? So so then, you know, Gary's looking for work because he's a broadcast teenager and wants to get the hell out of there.

660
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:41,120
Ends up hanging out with Joe a bit. You know, Joe doesn't really care one way or the other.

661
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:47,120
But all of a sudden sees that Gary's doing good work and, you know, pays him for the day.

662
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:55,120
And he's, you know, Gary's like, hell, yeah, I got some money. And so, you know, then he goes home and, you know, dad beats him, takes his money.

663
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,120
And then Gary's all like, well, you know, maybe you can work, too.

664
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:03,120
And so goes back and we find out that Wade is an absolute piece of shit.

665
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:12,120
OK, I'll have to go faster. And then and then through then Joe and Gary start to develop a friendship,

666
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:19,120
mainly because Gary's a hard worker and Joe just needs, you know, needs hard work done.

667
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:27,120
Then Joe's, you know, doing shit, feel sorry for Gary, you know, tries to give him a better life,

668
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,120
fails mostly, but, you know, helps him out a little bit, gets him a new truck.

669
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:44,120
Dad steals the truck. Bad things happen with Willie and, you know, then everybody's sad at the end and mostly dad.

670
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:49,120
OK, how was that? I mean, you got 15 seconds if there's anything you need to put a cap on it.

671
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,120
Oh, man. Yeah, probably.

672
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,120
Five, four, three, two, one.

673
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,120
Willie goes through windshield and doesn't give a fuck.

674
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,120
Nailed it. Yeah. Stuck the landing.

675
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,120
Any notes? No, that was pretty much it. Nailed it.

676
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,120
Good job, Nick. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

677
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:14,120
I love when bad things happen with Willie and nobody has a good time.

678
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,120
From my experience. Yeah.

679
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,120
Willie's Willie's definitely a bad one.

680
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,120
Oh, yeah. His character is just. Yeah, he's he's repugnant.

681
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,120
He's repugnant. That's a perfect word for it. That was rolling in my brain at that moment.

682
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:38,120
I was I did some stage acting for a while in college and I played a racist redneck in this play called The Foreigner in Missouri.

683
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,120
I was in Massachusetts. There's racists there, too.

684
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,120
And they're everywhere. Yeah.

685
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:55,120
I played this character and he's just like sort of a I mean, he's very he's a smart character, but he's a really fucking stupid at the same time.

686
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,120
And you get to really play that up and it's very satisfying playing villains.

687
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:04,120
But one of the things that my director chose to do was paint a bunch of my teeth with that stuff that makes your teeth look fucking rotten.

688
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:11,120
And like seeing my mouth look like that, I was like, oh, no. God. Fuck.

689
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,120
And then seeing Willie, it's just like that's exactly what his face looks like.

690
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:20,120
You see him and you're like, oh, yeah, definitely don't want that to happen.

691
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,120
Like the ladies and the gentlemen do not want that near you.

692
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,120
Yeah. So I guess we're a seat belt then.

693
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,120
Nah, man, I'm a coward. Yeah, this is fucking America. Come on.

694
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,120
We're free. Re watching this film.

695
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:39,120
I was really taken with just the weird small town politics like Joe smacks Willie.

696
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,120
Willie shoots Joe in the shoulder.

697
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,120
Willie shows up at the bar and it's just like, so we're even right.

698
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,120
Like just that's how shit's done.

699
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,120
Yeah. That's hey, man, we're all tired of this back and forth.

700
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,120
It's like, well, you shot me.

701
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,120
And maybe I took it too far.

702
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,120
You know, we're cool, right? Yeah.

703
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,120
It's all square, right? Yeah. Yeah. What is your vibe on this town?

704
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:10,120
We were talking about this with the Red Rock West episode where it's like Red Rock West has 1200 people in town,

705
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,120
but they also have a hospital like a pretty functional hospital. Nice.

706
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,120
Like what what size is this town?

707
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:24,120
Um, I feel like it's like 500 people tops. Yeah. Yeah.

708
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:32,120
The level of like disrespect that's felt by Willie that feels like a 500 or less town.

709
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:47,120
Yeah, there's a small I don't know the actual demographics for it, but there's a small town next to the town I grew up in that literally all I've ever seen there is two trailers and a bar.

710
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:52,120
Yeah. And that is the town. Yeah. I mean, you know, your vibe at that point, right?

711
00:56:52,120 --> 00:57:02,120
Yeah. So, you know, honestly, that's one of the reasons I think the overall villain in this story is the town itself, because there is absolutely nothing to do other than get shit faced.

712
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:07,120
And that's kind of what happens to all the major characters in the story.

713
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:18,120
And, you know, there's even one scene I love or it's all like, you know, Joe is hanging out with this colony lady just and she's all, oh, you know, we should go somewhere.

714
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:25,120
And he's like, there ain't nothing to do. Let's just let's get drunk and get home and watch the weather. Yeah.

715
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:37,120
And I mean, that's the highlight of their day, pretty much. And, you know, and then I was thinking, oh, yeah, one of my absolute favorite scenes is like, she is in bed with him.

716
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:56,120
And yeah, yeah. And then, you know, she's like, I just had the craziest idea that maybe we could go out for dinner sometime, you know, and she's saying this earnestly like, wow, wouldn't it be cool if we could go out to dinner?

717
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:03,120
And then I'm like, well, I do that like every day. That's because you don't cook. Well, yeah, but nobody knows how to do that.

718
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:09,120
So dinner is complicated. Nobody. Nobody can do that.

719
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:20,120
Do you own own a pan, Nick? I've never asked you this. I feel like I should have. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I own a pan. I've made eggs before.

720
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:30,120
Now, flipping them. I mean, come on. Scramble. Yeah. Yeah. It's just no matter what you endeavored to do scrambled eggs every time I've got a side up.

721
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:41,120
Yeah. But yeah, yeah. So they're never going to go out to dinner because there is absolutely nothing to do in this town and they're just going to get shit faced.

722
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:55,120
And, you know, and that's totally accepted and normal. And that, you know, reminds me of another thing that was just freaking hilarious in this movie is how absolutely worthless the cops are in this in this shit.

723
00:58:55,120 --> 00:59:00,120
I love that. I just slapped that fucking rookie around.

724
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:08,120
Yeah. Like knocks that out. And by the way, like, you know, he's he's all like giving him shit because it's like, I didn't do nothing.

725
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:14,120
You know, I'm totally cool. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking right, dude. He's like he's he's pounding whiskey.

726
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:21,120
And you are definitely drunk driving right now all over the fucking road. And, you know, he of course, he doesn't realize it.

727
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:27,120
So, you know, I choose to believe that this cop absolutely should have tried to get this guy off the road.

728
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,120
Now, to be fair, he might have been driving erratically because he just got a hummer.

729
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:37,120
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Just got blown. Yeah. Yeah.

730
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:43,120
Oh, man, that was such a weird scene, too, when he when he was like trying to. What's your favorite color? Yeah, I don't know.

731
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,120
I'm just going to focus on that snowflake on the wall. You want some intimacy.

732
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:52,120
Yeah, I choose to believe that he's desperately searching for a connection with, you know, a human being.

733
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:58,120
I think the only person he's actually like interested in is the owner of the whorehouse.

734
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:02,120
Murl or whatever. Yeah. Boy, what an unfortunate name.

735
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:07,120
That is not a good prostitute name. It's a good smile. I don't care if you're the madam.

736
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:11,120
That's actually a good madam name, though. Murl. I don't know. There's something about it.

737
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,120
Fuck with the Murl. You're not going to fuck with the Murl is right. Thank you, Sean.

738
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,120
Yeah, I'm not going to fuck a Murl either.

739
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,120
Well, I don't think that's a problem. I don't think he wants to.

740
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:26,120
Most people don't want to fuck them out. Yeah. Yeah. He does. He does. Joe does. Joe's old fashioned.

741
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:33,120
Yeah. Maybe it's a maybe it's just a Texas thing. He's got like Murl Haggard on the mind and he's just like hard.

742
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:38,120
Do you think he puts Murl Haggard on while getting down with? Absolutely.

743
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:45,120
What's the horniest Murl Haggard song? I wish there were more songs about like people named Nick.

744
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:49,120
So that way I could listen to Nick based music while getting down.

745
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:54,120
I feel like Christmas is coming up. We got a whole lot of old saying Nick.

746
01:00:54,120 --> 01:01:01,120
Yeah. You can only get down to Christmas. A lot of Christmas coming stuff. So yeah, that's tough.

747
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:08,120
The only way I can do it for me. That's a hard riff like Jingle Bells is a hard rhythm to keep it keep up to.

748
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:14,120
There's no way you're right. There's a rhythm. Everything has a rhythm.

749
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:19,120
I mean, no, no, no, Jingle Bells. Jingle Bells does have a rhythm.

750
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:26,120
It's just a weird one to fuck to. Nick's into that experimental jazz.

751
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,120
That's true. Now the bass is going to take a walk.

752
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:36,120
You can't fuck jazz. You can fuck to anything. Yeah.

753
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,120
All right. I like silence.

754
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:44,120
I love banging in silence. I want to hear my own noises.

755
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:49,120
Set up the noise canceling machines all over.

756
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:59,120
It's just white noise. Yeah, that's what I refer to as refer to myself as.

757
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,120
What new shit did you guys notice this time?

758
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:07,120
I actually do have one because I watched it a couple of times. Sure. Preparation. Yeah.

759
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:13,120
So the first scene when when Gary meets Joe really stuck out at me.

760
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,120
You got Joe Whittle in a night or sorry, Joe sharpening a knife.

761
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:21,120
And then Gary Whittle and his stick.

762
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:25,120
And then it's just like Gary's like a younger Joe at this point.

763
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:29,120
And I think that's sort of one of the main themes of the movie.

764
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,120
And I think that one scene was a really, really good foreshadowing of that.

765
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:38,120
Right. He's also a hope for a better Joe. Yeah.

766
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:42,120
In Joe's mind is like, oh, he doesn't have to be a fuck up like me.

767
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,120
Yeah, I think that's how to use the lighter. He can.

768
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,120
No, I think that's true, though.

769
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:53,120
That's the optimism of this movie that kind of gets lost in something like leaving Las Vegas

770
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:59,120
is that there is this sort of like hope that Gary cannot fuck up as badly as Joe did.

771
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:04,120
And it's a manufactured scene, but they put a bookend on it in the end of the film

772
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:09,120
with him now planting trees to live instead of killing trees.

773
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:16,120
Right. So yeah, but I'd also say that, you know, toward the end of the of the film,

774
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,120
you know, Gary's he wants to do the justice,

775
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:25,120
which means he's going to go away and get into a life of crime.

776
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,120
He wants to be the one to do it.

777
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:31,120
And so I think ultimately Joe saves him from this,

778
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:36,120
but otherwise he would not have been successful at, you know, maybe living a better life.

779
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:41,120
I really like was paying attention to the scene where Wade kills the homeless, the other homeless guy.

780
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:45,120
Just I never really looked at how a brutal scene.

781
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:50,120
Yeah, but just like how like the buildup to that, like I've either forgot or just missed like

782
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:56,120
the slow intentionality behind it, like him, like kicking the dirt off the chunk of metal that he can grab.

783
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:00,120
And really how like that wasn't an act of desperation for alcohol.

784
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,120
That was just like he saw something he wanted and took it.

785
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:08,120
And it's one of those things where you have the scene with him, like too drunk to get up.

786
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:14,120
So he's just trying to like amuse his son, the popping and locking scenes, like charming drunk, you know.

787
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:19,120
Nice guy who, you know, probably means well enough when he's sober.

788
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,120
Now, just fucking monster. Just really.

789
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,120
Not every angry drunk is angry all the time.

790
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,120
Nothing he does is for anyone but him.

791
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,120
Yeah, yeah, that's very true.

792
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:39,120
The other thing, just in terms of Nicolas Cage, this is just one of those films that Nicolas Cage just disappears into like.

793
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,120
It's him. You see his face, but it's just like, that's not Nick Cage.

794
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:49,120
That's Joe. Like it's one of those characters he just you can just lose the actor in a really good point.

795
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,120
And I think that fits for both of these movies, too.

796
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:55,120
He does really embody these two characters in a pretty powerful way.

797
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:59,120
And he has a wildly different physicalities for both of them.

798
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:00,120
Totally. Yeah.

799
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,120
To put them up against each other.

800
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,120
This is one of our bigger Joe or bigger Nicolas Cage is in Joe.

801
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,120
Right versus more of a wasting away.

802
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:08,120
Yeah.

803
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,120
Jaundiced, falling down kind of style.

804
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,120
Yeah, real Pete styles.

805
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:30,120
One of my biggest critiques of this film and I had this I know I had this last time where it was just like there's a lot of the group improv lines, just the quick like try more naturalistic lines that are just bad and really do take me out of the movie at times.

806
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:36,120
Like when he's talking to his work crew and every other word is just Joe, we do in this Joe Joe to Joe Joe.

807
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:43,120
The scene that stood out to me in not like a wow, this is a powerful scene, but in a complete throw away.

808
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,120
And I was like, What the fuck is this about?

809
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,120
There's a moment kind of two thirds the way through where he has his new truck.

810
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,120
It's right before he gets pulled over by the cops.

811
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:57,120
And he pulls up to a stoplight and he rolls the window down because there's a woman and a guy in a car next to him.

812
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:08,120
And apparently and maybe this is a question for the book reader of this apparently that's supposed to be his ex wife and her new partner, but they never touch on it.

813
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:14,120
They're supposed to the director said, Oh, we want people to just assume that understanding that that's who that is.

814
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:19,120
And you don't you're just sort of like, What the fuck is this little minor interaction?

815
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,120
Is he going to try and hit on this lady or something?

816
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:29,120
But, you know, there's this acknowledgement between these two people and then he rolls the window back up and drives on and then gets pulled over.

817
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,120
Well, that's interesting. I actually had no idea.

818
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:39,120
And yeah, he does have an ex wife in the book and does not have a very good relationship with her.

819
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:43,120
He is, you know, trying to get on her good side and be friendly.

820
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,120
She clearly wants nothing to do with them.

821
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:51,120
It's actually interesting because there's a good parallel to the, you know, leaving Las Vegas here.

822
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:58,120
Leaving Las Vegas, he's in one of his drunken, stupor kind of moments.

823
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:07,120
He's all like, I can't remember if if my wife left me because I was drinking or if I was drinking to to get over my wife.

824
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:20,120
And in a lot of ways, very true with with Joe, you find out, you know, kind of in the pages of the book that actually, you know, he drinks way too much.

825
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:25,120
And she was trying to escape that. And so he's not living a good life without her.

826
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:32,120
And then I guess you have the scene and the truck where he's got where she's got like this new partner.

827
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:37,120
And that would be devastating for him. So now he's probably going to go on a bender.

828
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:42,120
And I actually had no idea that that that was that it played out that way in the movie.

829
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,120
So that was really interesting.

830
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:53,120
But the dialogue in the book, especially between Gary and Wade, it reads like Cletus from The Simpsons.

831
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,120
Like they are very, you know, redneck hicks.

832
01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:00,120
You know, another thing about it that is just really awesome.

833
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:12,120
You get a lot more into Wade and kind of his adventures wandering around and so many adventures of him just trying to tag along with people for the sole purpose of getting booze.

834
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:18,120
But yeah, I say it largely plays out like the movie, though.

835
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:24,120
There's definitely no smile through the pain, you know, cool face thing.

836
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:28,120
I'm not sure where that came from, but that was that was such a good scene. I like that.

837
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:35,120
Let's talk about that scene because it's one of my favorite scenes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Sean, you're nailing it right now.

838
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:41,120
No one smiles through the pain like Sean. You've got a lot of pain. I know that that scene in particular is so fun.

839
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:45,120
Because I mean, it's paired with that whole like we're on a little buddy adventure kind of a thing.

840
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:53,120
But like just how goofy that concept is of like, feel the pain, suffer grimace.

841
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,120
Now smile. No, no smile on top of it.

842
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:00,120
It's like, what the fuck are you talking about, dude?

843
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:05,120
That's how you make a cool face. That's how people know you're down to fuck.

844
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,120
What? Yeah.

845
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:17,120
This is maybe a loaded question because, you know, the book is obviously going to have more depth to characters, backstories, all sorts of different things.

846
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:23,120
Somewhat. Yeah. How what would you prefer between the two of them?

847
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:27,120
Oh, wow. That is a good question.

848
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:33,120
I think the movie did a better job of portraying, you know, this.

849
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:39,120
I mean, the book felt like kind of slice of life. It kind of downplayed the relationship of Gary and Joe.

850
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:43,120
And that was kind of hand up a little bit for the major plot point of the movie.

851
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,120
I think that worked. It was it was really, really well.

852
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:52,120
Like, you know, definitely in the book, that's a major theme.

853
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:56,120
But a lot of it is just the characters around town and how they interact.

854
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:03,120
And then Gary didn't even meet Joe until like 30 percent of the way through the book or so.

855
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:08,120
And so that was kind of weird. The movie ties it together much better than the book did.

856
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:13,120
The book is great, but that was such a weird read.

857
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,120
Trying to think of other things that are that are so amazing about this movie.

858
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,120
I kind of actually I'm curious about your notes. Yeah, you have a lot of things written down.

859
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:26,120
OK, so what what I did is point at one and you just read it. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

860
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:30,120
Give me that part. Oh, yeah, that was right.

861
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:35,120
Why are you pointing at his ding dong? So you did read the deck.

862
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,120
I already sort of mentioned this one.

863
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:42,120
It was my favorite scene of the movie when, you know, Connie and Joe are just in bed together.

864
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:47,120
And, you know, she is she's just like, oh, I just want to go out to dinner.

865
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:51,120
And then it's all like, no, not not going to happen, not ever going to happen.

866
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:59,120
And it just underscores to me like just how how depressing this town is, how nobody has hope for a better future.

867
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:06,120
The only way to do that is to leave. Actually, come to think of it like that's definitely why Gary wants that truck so bad.

868
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:11,120
He is just trying to get his sister and get the hell out of there. Yeah, I agree.

869
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:17,120
I feel like that's his goal is that he is just going to take her and they're going to get the fuck out and find a way.

870
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:22,120
Like he's scrappy. Yeah. Do work. Yeah. He's he's not afraid to get his hands dirty.

871
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:31,120
Very good worker. Although, interestingly, he didn't really care about getting all that poison on him, whereas Wade did not want to get poison on him.

872
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,120
Dude, that poison is just going fucking everywhere.

873
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:41,120
Yeah, it's wild. I forgot. And Gary's like pumping poison out of the bucket at one point. And there's like fumes and shit.

874
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,120
It's like it's like totally contaminating the groundwater.

875
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:48,120
I don't think those pines are going to live, actually, at the end of the movie.

876
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,120
And I don't think that's even like the same site.

877
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:56,120
I think that's the whole circle of that story. But yeah, I mean, it probably is not the exact same site.

878
01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:07,120
I mean, they most likely killed a bunch of plants, killed a bunch of trees three years ago over there and then waited, let it go fallow and then play new shit.

879
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:14,120
But I was I was reading stories about like tree poisoners because I was all like, this cannot possibly be credible, be a real thing.

880
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:24,120
And then, like, you know, some person got caught a few years ago trying to clear out some trees with with some poison to get a better view on their property.

881
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:35,120
And they had to do this whole like big soil reclamation project where, you know, they had to like, you know, totally dig up like tons of it, tons of the soil.

882
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:40,120
Literal tons. Yeah. Because otherwise, like nothing would ever grow there because like this poison.

883
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:48,120
And so I don't think they care. I don't think Joe gives a shit about any of this because he's not a moral guy is the thing.

884
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:56,120
Like, you know, he treats people around him that he likes. Well, as long as they don't have a dog.

885
01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:03,120
But so it's not that dog. Yeah, whatever. I think every that dog pisses him off. Probably.

886
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:09,120
Yeah. Well, then how do you OK, so how do you feel about the two immoral characters of these two movies?

887
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:16,120
Like you have one who is self destructive. You have one who is more actually destructive.

888
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,120
So in leaving Las Vegas, he's self destructive for sure.

889
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:30,120
But he warns he warns his love interest, you know, and, you know, and to a certain extent, I can understand that because like he's got his plan.

890
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,120
You know, he's doesn't have any money left after this.

891
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:39,120
He all he can do is move forward on his journey off this mortal coil.

892
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:47,120
Yes. I mean, he's he's going to die and that's going to happen. But, you know, he's obviously not trying to take anyone down with him.

893
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:51,120
So it's all like, you know, not trying to leave a mess for this lady.

894
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,120
But of course, they they kind of get into it anyway.

895
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,120
Well, you still want to surround yourself with yes, man, too.

896
01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:02,120
Like you don't want to like take somebody in who's going to fight you in your last couple of months of drunkenness.

897
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:11,120
Like you just want to die. I hear that. So anyways, then then you have our laughter about that.

898
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:15,120
Please just let it be sad. OK.

899
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:22,120
Wade would be obviously the worst person in this, probably even worse than Willie, I think.

900
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:29,120
Yeah. Willie's obviously a very bad guy, but he's bad in like the way a child can be bad.

901
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:35,120
Well, I mean, you know, at the end, he's doing some unscrupulous things that's true.

902
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,120
That's true. Well, I wouldn't want I don't know.

903
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:41,120
Wade is just such a piece of shit.

904
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:51,120
Like, think of think of like the absolute worst person that you've ever met in your life and then imagine that they're now having a family and then give it like 15 years later from that.

905
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,120
And that's what this movie is.

906
01:14:53,120 --> 01:15:06,120
I knew a guy like this in high school that like, you know, had a bunch of kids with some hit with his girlfriend or whatever and with like Bader and, you know, just be like a total drunk piece of shit.

907
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:17,120
And all I can think of is this guy older now, a total sociopath, you know, kind of person with like a battered wife and children.

908
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:24,120
And like, it feels very real to me. Like there is no redeemable qualities to Wade.

909
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,120
I'm still wondering where that G dog sweater came from.

910
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,120
It's so cool. I wish I had a little cool.

911
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,120
I'm pretty sure that is so that's not part of the book.

912
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:37,120
All right. Yeah, no, I have no idea. No, I think that is just tied to the actor.

913
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,120
That's awesome. Like that's what he auditioned in.

914
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:44,120
Pretty sure. So I choose to believe he beat another homeless dude to death.

915
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,120
And that was the sweater he was wearing. He could have.

916
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:52,120
It's also like a letter. Highline. Yeah, exactly. There can be only one.

917
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:57,120
Oh, by the way, you had mentioned how like deliberate that was. Yeah, plays out that way in the book.

918
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:05,120
He is he is like inching closer and closer and, you know, definitely on a mission to grab the bottle.

919
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:10,120
But for whatever reason, he's going to do it by killing him.

920
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:15,120
And well, he's got a wolf in him and you can work.

921
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:20,120
He can work. He can swing if he wants to. Yeah.

922
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:27,120
I love how he mounts off to the to the, you know, guy when he was trying to do legitimate work.

923
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:32,120
And he's like, I've done all the work. I'm going to do today.

924
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,120
You ain't done shit.

925
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,120
I know. I love how he just talks back to that guy.

926
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:40,120
Fuck you, man. I didn't ship a drink. My water.

927
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:44,120
Why am I not getting paid? Fuck you, Gary.

928
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:52,120
Just wow. It's it's it almost felt a little bit unbelievable if I didn't know somebody kind of like that.

929
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:59,120
Oh, yeah. People with substance problems like that are so hard to work with.

930
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:05,120
I've done it a few times and it's never good because they suck and they don't believe they suck.

931
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:13,120
Yeah, I mean, that's a huge part of like being that far gone is the inability to like see the forest for the trees.

932
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:21,120
Like your reality is so different from the reality other people have dealing with you.

933
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:26,120
I mean, going back to like Joe Joe's morality, I think it's the difference between.

934
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:31,120
I mean, really, the difference between both these characters and leaving Las Vegas and this is, you know,

935
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:39,120
their circumstances, leaving Las Vegas, you know, successful, you know, really does have, you know,

936
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:47,120
did kind of have it all, but was an alcoholic and had lost complete control to the point where his life fell apart.

937
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:51,120
And there was only one way out, whereas, you know, Joe was just trying to get by.

938
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:55,120
And I think he is trying to do the best he can.

939
01:17:55,120 --> 01:18:01,120
But like you said, like the town is the villain. So what do you do when you have no other way out?

940
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:05,120
You just survive. And I think that's what most of the characters in this movie are doing.

941
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:11,120
But he also seems to pride himself on being able to like help his crew, help this kid.

942
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:17,120
His like, but his quote unquote girlfriend in this film is just he's the place she goes to when.

943
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:24,120
Her drunk mom's boyfriend shows back up and, you know, clearly has a history of molesting her like

944
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:32,120
or assaulting her. So like, you know, Joe is, you know, that's I think Joel's Joe's lot in life that he's given himself.

945
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:38,120
That's his cross to bear is, you know, he can't escape himself, but he can like help other people escape their situations.

946
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:46,120
So I think Joe is a moral person, just that morality has to be viewed from where he's at, rather from like where we're at.

947
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:53,120
What is the most small town shit you guys have ever gotten into?

948
01:18:53,120 --> 01:19:09,120
I mean, I never really small town, but suburbs broke into whatever broke into houses under construction to smoke weed and came away with a bunch of like drywall shit all over me.

949
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:16,120
And, you know, yeah, we were definitely not supposed to be there, but yeah, broke into houses under construction.

950
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:24,120
So it's nice. Boy, I have a lot of small town shit and the weed theme.

951
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:31,120
I used to like smoke weed on top of a church because it was accessible without ladders.

952
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:39,120
And sometimes like, I don't know why, but we'd always like bring a bong up there and climbing with a bong is just the hard.

953
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:50,120
And one time the pastor or whatever came out and like, so we were like sitting there on the roof, like trying to be discreet with a bong.

954
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,120
We did not get caught.

955
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:57,120
I don't know that I have any small town stories. I'm a city boy.

956
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,120
Oh, we you can you know, small town stuff in a city.

957
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:09,120
Just in the same vein of going someplace I shouldn't have gone just like for, you know, mild amounts of control controlled havoc.

958
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:14,120
San Francisco used to have this like abandoned hospital, which I think is now condos.

959
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:21,120
But this old abandoned hospital that, you know, we just fucking go break into and just wander the halls.

960
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:28,120
I think they filmed was that MTV show where like they send a bunch of kids to like a haunted place like.

961
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,120
I can't remember the name of it. I know exactly what you're talking about, though.

962
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:39,120
But they filmed a season of that there every time we got every time we had to get in there, though, because like the cops would come around and like seal up entrances.

963
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:43,120
So it would get progressively more and more sketchy to get into this place.

964
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:57,120
I remember the last time we went, we had to like monkey bar climb up a fire escape like stairs kind of like backwards and like hoist ourselves up onto like the third story ledge outside a window.

965
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:01,120
And like crawl into a window like three or four stories up.

966
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,120
Oh, I would have just found somewhere else to party.

967
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,120
Yeah, that seems like way too much work.

968
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:11,120
Oh, we had we had a we had a friend fall from I wasn't there when I think we stopped.

969
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:17,120
They stopped. My friend stopped going after like somebody who fell only from like the second floor.

970
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,120
But yeah, it was pretty sketchy.

971
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:24,120
We met some nice unhoused people who were like stripping copper wiring out of the walls one time.

972
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,120
Nice. Wow.

973
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,120
And I peed off the top of the place. That was fun.

974
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:28,120
That's nice.

975
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:36,120
I do. I do have one more where my friends in high school were my friend Tony, who thought of himself as like a young Scorsese.

976
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,120
So like I wanted to be a filmmaker.

977
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:48,120
And I remember one time we were out on the edge of like just a little cut out on like a little mountain road that got really backed up with traffic.

978
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:58,120
And somebody thought we had a gun and like called the cops. So all our friends like went off and like were like filming something in this like restricted area.

979
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:06,120
The rest of us are just sitting by the cars like on the side of the road and like six squad cars pull up and just cops jump out with guns and like throw us to the ground.

980
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:13,120
My buddy Tony comes running out who has a fake mustache on because we're fucking 17.

981
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,120
I know 17 year olds who could grow real mustaches.

982
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:21,120
Tony's talking to the cops and hands him his ID and the cop looks at the ID and looks at Tony.

983
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,120
Tony's like it's a fake mustache and the cop just rips the mustache off.

984
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:30,120
So wonderful.

985
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,120
That was fun. We went to Denny's after that.

986
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:34,120
Yeah. Perfect.

987
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,120
Where else would you go?

988
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,120
Yeah. 17. It's Denny's.

989
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,120
Denny's.

990
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,120
No, sorry. It was an IHOP.

991
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,120
OK. It's one or the other.

992
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:43,120
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

993
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,120
Sounds about right.

994
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:50,120
Nick, give us your your big pitch why this movie should win and move forward.

995
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:51,120
OK. Yeah.

996
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:52,120
Sure thing.

997
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,120
Both are very good movies.

998
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,120
Both are very depressing movies.

999
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:04,120
Leaving Las Vegas plays a little bit like just a Hollywood romance with some depression thrown in.

1000
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,120
This is what it is.

1001
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:07,120
I've seen more depressing.

1002
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,120
It's fine.

1003
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:16,120
Joe, on the other hand, is just it keeps hitting you over and over and over again.

1004
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:20,120
Just how awful everything is and how nothing will ever get better.

1005
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:25,120
And you throw into it this real hornback vibe.

1006
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:32,120
You throw into it this relationship that Gary and Joe has and it feels like an actual movie.

1007
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,120
It feels like something interesting is happening.

1008
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:45,120
You have characters, you have people that are real and they're behaving like kind of normal people would in these horrible circumstances.

1009
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,120
There's so much flavor to this.

1010
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:57,120
Everything from the things that they buy at the grocery store, if you can even call that a grocery store, to the kind of work that they do.

1011
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,120
Like the best work around town is poisoning trees.

1012
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:10,120
And so everything that happens in the movie, Joe, just underscores, man, this is just awful.

1013
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:16,120
Whereas in leaving Las Vegas, it feels like, yeah, this guy's out to destroy himself.

1014
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:20,120
And yes, that's very sad and all of that.

1015
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,120
But it just feels like a Hollywood movie.

1016
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:30,120
It almost feels like more of a rom-com than anything else, like a twisted rom-com.

1017
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,120
But that's kind of how I see it.

1018
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:39,120
And so when I saw Leaving Las Vegas, I felt, OK, yeah, it's a movie, whatever.

1019
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:43,120
When I saw Joe, I actually felt something.

1020
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:47,120
I felt what I want a good movie to have.

1021
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:58,120
I truly believe that it's a better movie because I think about it way more than I do leaving Las Vegas.

1022
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:59,120
That's my pitch.

1023
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:08,120
Yeah. The struggle of man versus society versus man versus self is oftentimes more enjoyable or more enduring,

1024
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:14,120
especially when the man versus self is like, I'm sad.

1025
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,120
Well, it's hard. I do understand that.

1026
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:22,120
She didn't love me. Now she's in a Jeep Wrangler having fun.

1027
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:26,120
Listen, I look good. Yeah, I would.

1028
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,120
Everybody looks good in a Jeep Wrangler. Of course, they do.

1029
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,120
The top comes off. Come on.

1030
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:37,120
It's part of the appeal. My ex is just in a Subaru or a gazebo.

1031
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,120
Well, yeah. What? Yeah.

1032
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:45,120
When they're not in a gazebo.

1033
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:52,120
I hate to just completely cut this off, but we do have to do our wrap up section before I have to be back on parent duty.

1034
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,120
OK. Goodbye. See you later forever.

1035
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:59,120
Yeah. I'm glad you were here, Nick. Thank you for that was a nice clean get out of my basement.

1036
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,120
And I'll get out of your basement. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine.

1037
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,120
Do you have anything you want to pitch before you go?

1038
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,120
Oh, yeah, I do have something that I need to pitch.

1039
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:14,120
Everybody needs to use the Firefox Web browser and Linux. Oh, Linux Linux.

1040
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:19,120
OK. Do we have time for this? No.

1041
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,120
You've got one minute. OK.

1042
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:28,120
So when you look at operating system kernels, I'm cutting you off.

1043
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,120
Wait. OK. Just tell me about a barcode real quick. Just one.

1044
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:35,120
Give us your favorite barcode. Data Matrix is by far the best barcode.

1045
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:40,120
OK. Yeah, that's a solid ending. Thank you very much for coming. Thanks for being here, Nick.

1046
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:45,120
Everybody data matrix is matrices. Yeah, it is what you want.

1047
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:51,120
And Joe and Joe, Joe, Firefox, Firefox, data matrix.

1048
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:58,120
These are QR codes. QR is bullshit. Yeah.

1049
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,120
We'll wait until we can talk about mad shit.

1050
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:05,120
Oh, fuck that guy. He's terrible. Now is the mad shit time.

1051
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,120
We'll wait till they leave for the compliments. Exactly.

1052
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:12,120
No, that was good, Nick. Nice job.

1053
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:17,120
Crushing it, brother. Yeah. Nick went to the inaugural meat bucket.

1054
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:23,120
And, you know, oh, man, they had a hard time.

1055
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:27,120
Nick came to the mushroom party. Yeah, because we had this.

1056
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:31,120
That's right. Yeah. Nick did not like the massage chair.

1057
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:35,120
Yeah. I mean, it was pretty aggressive. I liked it. It got in the butthole.

1058
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:44,120
Once it locks your calves and forearms in and it goes straight for the butthole and you're just like, this is the worst electric chair ever.

1059
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:49,120
Death. I'm dying, but coming.

1060
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:52,120
Little anal shiatsu.

1061
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:56,120
I learned a lot about myself on that trip. And what I learned was I like butt play.

1062
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,120
I thought Nick did a good job. Nick did a great job.

1063
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:07,120
I think both guests did a good job. I feel like we didn't give leaving Las Vegas as much attention that we did with Joe.

1064
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:15,120
But we had the benefit of Nick having read Joe and having something new to bring to the table rather than just talking about the film itself.

1065
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:21,120
So there was more there to digest, I feel. Carlos just has like industry conversation.

1066
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:25,120
I forgot to talk to Carlos about his Johnsonville Brat commercial.

1067
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:32,120
OK, wait. So your homework now is to ask him about that and give just a side recording and we will just insert it at some point.

1068
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:38,120
I've talked to him about it so many times. It's something that he did while we were working together.

1069
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:44,120
Fucking awesome. Yeah. Then every day when I would see him, I'd be like, Carlos has Johnsonville Brats.

1070
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:48,120
He's like, I didn't have a speaking role. I was just there. I enjoyed them.

1071
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:53,120
I was just a dad whose family left him for Brats.

1072
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:59,120
All I did was bring regular hot dogs like a fool.

1073
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:05,120
Well, shit, I don't know. This is a tricky one for me. I've kind of waffled back and forth the last couple of days.

1074
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:11,120
I watched both these movies recently talking to both these guys. It was interesting.

1075
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,120
I could be swayed either way. Sure.

1076
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:23,120
I think, you know, one has like a fucking award winning performance and one is a movie I like more, even though it's depressing as fuck.

1077
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,120
No, that's a pretty relatable take on it.

1078
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:32,120
Leaving Las Vegas is, you know, critically Nicholas Cage's best performance.

1079
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:39,120
He does such a really good job. It's just at times I wish the role was broader.

1080
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:46,120
I get a little tired. I'm exhausted from watching it. I mean, it's a terrific film. He nails it across the board.

1081
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:52,120
You're watching a guy be a fucking mess all the time. There isn't like moments of getting it back together.

1082
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:57,120
So it's like a real slog with with Joe.

1083
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:05,120
I mean, he's a mess, but there's times where he's a role model or, you know, he's a hero.

1084
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:11,120
He like there's just other things to grab on to for the character.

1085
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:17,120
It's not so much a just slide with him into oblivion.

1086
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,120
Oh, no, I saw I saw Sean Blink. They're still there. We know you're still there.

1087
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,120
Yeah. You can't pretend that the Internet froze.

1088
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,120
No, I was just trying to put my thoughts together.

1089
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:30,120
It's watching both these movies in both these performances.

1090
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:36,120
I think we touched on this a bit with Nick about how just the real difference in terms of like, I mean, they're both shitty people.

1091
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:42,120
But I mean, the characters are both shitty people, but their circumstances about Nick's.

1092
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:45,120
Oh, yeah. All Nick's are bad.

1093
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,120
We've got a we've got a moment of confusion now.

1094
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,120
Every Nick is a jerk.

1095
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:55,120
Still sounds like a fucking like bad slur.

1096
01:30:55,120 --> 01:31:00,120
Well, especially when you say it like that, these fucking chicks.

1097
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:04,120
Yep. That's not good. I don't agree with that.

1098
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:08,120
And leaving Las Vegas, you know, he's a drunk who's out to kill himself.

1099
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:21,120
But he's also clearly a personality people enjoy and people like having him around, which in my experience with actual alcoholics tends to be the case to a point to that point.

1100
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:26,120
Whereas, you know, Joe is more of a heroic figure, whereas Joe's life is shit.

1101
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:33,120
But he tries to actually actively uplift other people and just try and stay out of trouble while he can do it.

1102
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:38,120
Like the job of a role model is kind of foist upon him.

1103
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:46,120
No, and it's really hard watching both these great characters and having to decide what should go forward.

1104
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:52,120
And I think for this one, for me, it's really going to come down to which movie I enjoy more at this point.

1105
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:57,120
You touched on the ultimate outcome for both characters a little bit there.

1106
01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:07,120
And I really enjoy that both characters have the same kind of like inciting incident for what makes them so depressing.

1107
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:10,120
It's like both of them is like, oh, my wife left me. Great.

1108
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:18,120
One of them actually is trying to do something about it to move on with their life or, you know, continue to live a life with it to be alive.

1109
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,120
And one of them is actively just trying to kill himself.

1110
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:25,120
Actually, is it actively trying to kill yourself?

1111
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:31,120
I guess it's kind of a passive one. Yeah, I mean, you're choosing to do only it is a choice.

1112
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,120
Like they're like, I'm going to kill myself with.

1113
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:37,120
I mean, he's choosing to kill himself. He's just decided to take the slow way.

1114
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,120
Slow, slow boat.

1115
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:42,120
Oh, could I whack myself off to death? Probably.

1116
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:46,120
If you consumed nothing and only were expelling.

1117
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,120
Yes, dehydrate yourself eventually.

1118
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:51,120
I mean, right. Yeah.

1119
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:58,120
Imagine how rough the skin would be from like dehydration and friction all the time.

1120
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:02,120
I'm just imagining like the weird puff that comes out of powder.

1121
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:11,120
I often wonder about the puff that comes out of powder also, but I'm always thinking about albinos.

1122
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:17,120
Hey, if we've got any albinos listening to the show, please let me know so I can shut up.

1123
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,120
Tell us about your puff.

1124
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:23,120
Tell us about the movie Powder and how it changed your life.

1125
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,120
Right.

1126
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:41,120
But I will say watching these movies again, I really I the thing I walked away from these movies with this time is how much despite how heavy the subject matter and Joe is, it is done in such a more entertaining way than a lot of leaving Las Vegas.

1127
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:47,120
I can I can sit with this movie longer than I can with leaving Las Vegas, leaving Las Vegas.

1128
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:58,120
Maybe it's how personal that journey is that just makes me uncomfortable in my own skin, but it's just it's not a movie I can sit down again and just.

1129
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:03,120
Struggle with my history of being a hooker and watching leaving Las Vegas.

1130
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:09,120
My problem is that I just I hate jazz so much.

1131
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:17,120
I just fucking sting continuing this tradition of never completing. Yeah. Completing joy for me and his music.

1132
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,120
Well, OK. And here's what you know, this is what it usually comes down to for us.

1133
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,120
This is which one of these movies would you recommend?

1134
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:29,120
And if we're just going to say, you know, and either one of these movies I can recommend for Nicolas Cage, like his performance.

1135
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:41,120
If I need to recommend a movie for someone to watch and, you know, with the caveat, like this is going to be rough. Joe, I think I could more easily and safely recommend in a lot of cases.

1136
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:46,120
Each movie has their own, like, triggering scenes.

1137
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:52,120
Byer beware. Yeah. Yeah. Like whether it's both of them are going to have alcoholism problems.

1138
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,120
Yeah. Physical trauma.

1139
01:34:54,120 --> 01:35:01,120
Both of them have assault, sexual assault. One of them has, you know, animal abuse.

1140
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:05,120
Yeah, just one. Unless you count college people as animals.

1141
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:09,120
Those guys were animals. Yeah. Put them down.

1142
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,120
You know, I'm going to agree with you.

1143
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:17,120
I think in like this situation of like, am I going to tell somebody to watch A or B?

1144
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:26,120
We've gotten to a point where it's like, we know that leaving Las Vegas is an award winning banger of a performance.

1145
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:30,120
Joe is a movie that I would recommend to people.

1146
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:37,120
We had Requiem for a Dream. Beautiful film. I haven't seen it. I'll back to back it with gummo and kids.

1147
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,120
Oh, God. You're going to have a fun day.

1148
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:45,120
Yeah. I'll wake up in the morning and watch romper stomper and brick afterwards.

1149
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:50,120
But hey, man, some people live for the weekend.

1150
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:55,120
OK, don't don't neg on me for this. Don't rain on my parade.

1151
01:35:55,120 --> 01:36:02,120
But Joe is a movie that I would recommend to people for the movie and for Nicolas Cage.

1152
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:09,120
Embodiment of character is something that Sean brought up earlier that I think is really powerful in both these movies.

1153
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:16,120
But if you are talking about like, what's a holistic movie that like you could recommend, it has that and he does.

1154
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:19,120
He is Joe. Like, there's no fucking question about it.

1155
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:38,120
Yeah. One thing that I recently started to think about is and this, you know, doesn't have any bearing on anything is the opposite of environment and the like social depth that the character has.

1156
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:45,120
That won't make sense until I say like Nicholas, like leaving Las Vegas, Nicolas Cage is in a highly metropolitan metropolitan area.

1157
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:49,120
He's surrounded by people all the time. Very isolating role.

1158
01:36:49,120 --> 01:37:00,120
Joe very much a very rural area, not around like a big urban area, but has a community around him all the time.

1159
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:07,120
Very interesting. Just in looking at that for the two roles.

1160
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:11,120
So unanimous then. Yeah, Joe, I think we're ready to move on.

1161
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:18,120
Leaving Las Vegas will always be an award winning role. Joe is a fantastic film.

1162
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:21,120
Agreed. Hell yeah.

1163
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:27,120
Well, it goes up against Pig next. So that's a that's a cool head to head.

1164
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:38,120
I mean, I think anything at this point, you know, as you were saying to Josie the other day is like these are all good movies now. Like we're in the mix of the best of the best.

1165
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:41,120
Yeah, we got rid of national treasure. So we're good.

1166
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:44,120
Sorry, Ross.

1167
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:50,120
But, you know, it's an interesting thing to look at this and be like, who watch both.

1168
01:37:50,120 --> 01:38:04,120
I mean, you know, come argue with us. Tell us that we're wrong. Like, that's what's interesting about this discourse at this point is that we're not talking about, you know, some of the schlock that exists in his, you know, overall uvra.

1169
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:15,120
It's like these are inarguably his best movies, you know, I mean, there are maybe some that people would say should still be in the mix, but it's all good shit at this point.

1170
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:25,120
So watch both. And, you know, our pick is Joe. And I don't disagree with you guys. I think, you know, I've waffled back and forth all week.

1171
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:29,120
And I think that Joe is still the movie that I would want to watch.

1172
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:39,120
Yeah, it's it's tough having these feelings early on and being like, but how do I just not vote for the Academy Award winning role.

1173
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:49,120
But we did rip that bandaid off in very early. So we should be ready for it. It's fine. You know what? Don't watch leaving Las Vegas. I'm going to fuck it.

1174
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:58,120
You know what? Fucking forget my number. Michael Figgis. We're not doing this anymore. I'm not I'm not playing your games.

1175
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:08,120
You can no longer play sax outside of my window. Mike Figgis. Yeah. Not at least not on weekends. Weekdays are still fine.

1176
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:19,120
Weekday Figgis. Weekday Figgis just sounds wrong. It does sound like a sex act somehow, but also still involving a saxophone.

1177
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:29,120
Wouldn't it be so cool if Paul Newton did a movie with Michael Figgis? Paul Newman? Yeah. He said Newton. But oh, sorry. I was thinking about Fig Newton.

1178
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:43,120
Oh, yeah. But we could have as you do to get some Paul Newman like Fig Newton's but with Michael Figgis. So some Figgis Newman's. My brain just fucking melted.

1179
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:55,120
I love to say things that are so dumb. That one took me a second. All right. Anyway, a lot of work into getting dumber. Thank you all for listening.

1180
01:39:55,120 --> 01:40:01,120
Thank you for being part of CageMatch. If you want to chat with us at all, we are on social media at cage underscore match underscore pod.

1181
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:14,120
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1182
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:24,120
I did it. Kind of. Asterisk. Once you edit all the bad parts out. Oh, it's going to be great. I'm so good at that.

1183
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:32,120
Yeah, I'm just going to leave this part at the end. Yeah. Figgis Newman.

1184
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:38,120
There was a no more. We're already dead. Bye bye.

1185
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:48,120
Bye bye.

1186
01:40:48,120 --> 01:41:04,120
We could probably throw it in the Patreon, but there's the time that I was filming that video at the car wash with the vacuum sucking me off and the cop had to like pull over.

1187
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:10,120
And he waited. He waited till we finished. Oh, those generous.

1188
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:21,120
And then he comes up. He's like, you guys have permission to be here. And we're like, like from the owner. No, but we paid for the vacuum.

1189
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:28,120
And the guy was like, yeah, I saw that I had to pull over. I was laughing too hard.

1190
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:40,120
And we were like, we'll carry on elsewhere. And then we left and he left. But I have the video still. We could throw that in the page.