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What you are listening to is real. The participants are not actors. They are real people with a case pending in Podcast Court.

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Hello, I'm Producer Peter and welcome to Cage Match, a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage, Podcast Court.

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Today's case is between a man with a penchant for robbing out-of-the-way convenience stores and a man who really should be carrying around more than one dollar.

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Oh, God.

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Oh, God.

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I like crunchy bits.

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That's fair.

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I also like, I like a good Nestle crunch.

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Dude, Butterfinger crunch when those were out? Not a thing anymore. Amazing.

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The new Butterfinger recipe is actually really good.

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There's a new recipe?

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Yeah, they, well, they changed.

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They just, I don't know, made it a little better.

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It's not as dry. It feels good.

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Does it not stick to your teeth as bad? Because that's what I hate.

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It still does a little bit, but not like as much.

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So it doesn't feel like it's been sitting in a warehouse for half a year.

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So I kind of liked that about it.

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Yeah, sort of comes with the territory.

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It's their own. I really like a payday, which is a yeah, we call them salted nut rolls in Minnesota.

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Yeah. Different brand. Different brand.

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That's like the Kmart of the payday.

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Oh, variety. No, it's just a local brand.

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I also like a Charles.

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When you have to describe something strictly by the ingredients, it's salt and nuts and rolled.

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That is the Kmart variety.

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It's like our brand. You know, did you guys have a tomato?

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No. What? It's like off brand Kmart.

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Oh, no, definitely not. It's even more off brand.

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I thought this was like special pimento.

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You guys ever think about doing ASMR? No.

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I mean, I think about whacking off on a microphone sometimes, but I am going to cut all of this legitimately.

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You can't cut what's already been cut.

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No, we just have to reference this later. Yeah, exactly.

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Then I do have to put it in because it was just funny.

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I've seen this problem on who's lives it anyway.

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You do have to reference it later, but actually be funny about it because it's not doesn't matter.

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Correct. Yeah. Double cut.

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I know how cage match works because you're in charge of it.

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Yes. Why do we define how it works? Really? Kind of.

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Yeah, I just try to keep all the racist things underneath somebody else's really good jokes.

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Right. Yeah. You say backwards. Yeah. Smart.

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So if they play the podcast backwards, they know the racist stuff.

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Yeah. And it's just like hell talk and then racism.

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My name is Peter and I hate the.

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Wow. You didn't even you didn't go for it.

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Was your chance. You could have said it.

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You know what? It would have been incredibly unbelievable no matter what I had said.

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I don't think there's probably enough recorded audio of you guys that you can make voices.

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Oh, absolutely. I mean, we have, you know, upwards of like 90 hours of content.

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Oh, yeah. So you want to bag your pills?

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I mean, they just look like ibuprofen and Advil. That's all they are.

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Yeah. It doesn't look like a lot of fun, but your joints will feel good.

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My joints are just fine as they are. All right. Fine.

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Yeah. Yeah, I knew you're talking about.

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I mean, I got it.

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I will grind those up and boost them, though.

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It's the only way to take ibuprofen.

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Oh, you know, so I was getting getting in the car the other day with Josie and she goes to sit down and I had to move some stuff off the scene.

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I had like an afferent and some stuff like that on there and she was like, I want to sit on your nasal spray.

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And I got me thinking like, what's going to happen if you like spray a bunch of afferent up your butthole?

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Like, does it open it up? Like, are you going to get no afferent?

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Afferent is a decongest, like they gave me that after my nose surgery and they were like under no circumstances.

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Should you use this for longer than three days? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Because it's got like some shit that's you get addicted to it.

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Oh, I'm aware. But like, what happens if you put it in your butt?

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Yeah, it just opens it wide. But it'll like, but you don't do it.

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Dry it up, I think. You think it'll dry it up? Yeah.

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They make afferent now that like is good for moistness. Oh, yeah.

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That's right. We'll try it for moistness. Yeah.

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Oh, yeah. You could boof one of these mints.

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All right. So first, I'm going to spray a bunch of afferent up my butt.

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Then you take one of the peppercorns.

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Then we're going to put your like Szechuan peppercorns up my butt.

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And then we just let them battle it out and see what happens.

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Yeah. And then when things get too boring, I'm going to take some loosely ground

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afferent and ibuprofen and kind of rim it around in there.

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You know, if you're going to do this, do it after I move out, please.

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Because I know you're going to do it here. Well, yeah.

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No, you got plenty of boxes. I'll just lay some cardboard down and Peter.

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And yeah, Peter and John can just kind of funnel the pills into me.

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It's like a general like it's a usual Sunday.

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It's like loading a Pez dispenser.

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But backwards.

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Oh, gross. It's like one of those cheap novelty like candy dispensers

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where it's poop coming out and you bend the thing over.

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Yeah, I've never seen this. Oh, it's like, you know,

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you're so popular during like Christmas, like, oh, the reindeer poops.

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Yeah. No, it's just a beer flavor jelly bean or some shit cowards.

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Could have been poop.

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Didn't the Cards Against Humanity send like poop to. Yes.

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Yeah. You could have done that. Yeah.

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Speaking of things that could happen to you, welcome to Cage match around

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about way of meeting Nicholas Cage under desk, John.

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Yeah, I wasn't going to be eliminated for so long.

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Wait a minute.

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You guys are replacing me since I'm moving, aren't you?

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I knew it. I just saw an opportunity for it.

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Anyway, I had to take it. I was hoping that would happen.

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I'm your host, Sean. And my name is Nick.

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Hi, I'm Peter. I'm also here.

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Yeah, we exist in the general space of this.

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It's amazing that we've gotten so bad at that.

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We've just gotten comfortable with each other. Yeah, that's true.

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We just don't try anymore. So thanks. Kind of like a marriage.

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Yeah. So Raising Arizona in 1987. Yeah.

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Cohen Brothers. I did not realize this movie was that old. Yeah.

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Yeah, I was thinking I was talking to a friend of mine when I was watching this.

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And I think it's like 1991. Looked at it. Oh, shit. OK. Yeah.

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Yeah, this one goes back. It really does.

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It also did not realize Cohen Brothers second movie after one that nobody's ever seen.

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Mm hmm. Yeah. Blood simple. Is that what it is?

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Yeah. You haven't seen Blood Simple? I've seen it once.

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Have you seen it? No, I literally never heard of it until today. Yeah.

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So this is Nick and I fourth time watching it.

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Yeah, first fourth round ish of it. Third round of it.

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This is the third time that we've watched it for the bracket. For the bracket.

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I'm doing mostly single rewatches for the second time or third time around.

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Yeah. Yeah. At this point, I think that's fair to just stay fresh on it. Yeah.

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Still slaps. It is still so good.

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I love. Well, John, why don't you run us down on this movie?

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Apparently you're the host now. You did the work.

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I was really afraid that I knew that you guys were going to ask me to narrate the plot of this movie.

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And there is so much plot. Give me a scene by scene breakdown.

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We haven't done one of those in a long time. We need it in two minutes or less.

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All right. So this guy, Hi, McDonough. They reveal what the H stands for.

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But I forget Herbert. Yeah. Thank you.

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So he likes to rob convenience stores and keeps going to jail.

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And the lady that's taking his picture at jail every time over the course of years.

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This is mind blowing to me. Is always the same lady.

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And Edwina. Yeah. Goes by Ed.

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They, for some fucking reason, fall in love.

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He gets out, proposes to her.

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She leaves. I don't remember something, something.

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They decide they want a kid. But it turns out that she's barren.

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So you can find no purchase.

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And but this rich, famous dude just had it.

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Does the wife ever like appear in this next to him and their chasers?

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She checks out. She has one line.

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Weird. She's like the cool shot where they did everything in reverse from her mouth.

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Oh, yeah. Then played it backwards. Yeah, that was cool.

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Anywho, famous guy has five kids, right? Quince.

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I can remember those four or five. Arizona quince.

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It's more than one man. His name is his name is Nathan, Arizona.

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His kids are named a bunch of all these and then Nathan Jr.

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Yeah, it's like Larry, Gary, Jerry, Barry, and Nathan Jr.

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And Nathan Jr. The good one. So we know which one's the favorite.

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He's the best baby. You know, if they would have just told all of them so well,

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if they would have just taken Ali, they probably would have gotten away with it.

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Well, nobody wants an Ali. So they steal the kid.

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He puts out a bounty. So this random fucking bounty hunter shows up and also wants the kid.

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And also two criminal buddies of highs show up

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and also decide they want the kid for said reward.

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And basically the kids, a big old McGuffin, they all fight over it at the very end.

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And high and Ed come up with it, but they return it to Nathan Arizona.

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Well done. You want 10 seconds over.

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Fuck you. Still pretty good. We talked about the screaming for a minute.

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So yeah, you hit the mark.

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I'm actually really proud of myself for that, because I'm fucking terrible at summarizing shit.

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That was good. I mean, that is accurate. Yeah.

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Yeah. So there is a terrific series of events in this.

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Did you have a favorite scene or what? What?

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What about this movie release? What does it for you?

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I mean, it's absolutely fucking bonkers for one.

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And there's so much plot. So like I was rewatching it earlier

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and I knew the sequence of the movie and I had a moment where I was like,

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holy fuck, there's still 40 minutes of this movie left and it's only been, I don't know what.

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It's a 90 minute movie. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. It's a tight 90.

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It's actually more like a tight 100, I think. But tight.

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I started to get loose. Nice. 94. Thank you.

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So you were both right. Yes. Yeah. Average.

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Thanks, Peter. Between the two of us were average.

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That's a very nice way of saying that you were wrong.

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Oh, so you were both right.

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But in general, I appreciate the zaniness.

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When I was watching it, I turned to the person I was watching it with and said,

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this movie or the events of this movie are so incredibly improbable.

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And that's what I love about it, I think, is it's just like,

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and this is kind of all Coen Brothers movies.

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It's like, you know, you set up a premise and then something very improbable happens,

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sends off a bunch of shit. And then, you know, depending on the movie more.

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And then this all of it, there isn't a wasted moment of this film.

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Every every scene fucking matters.

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It is tight. It is executed very well.

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And at a certain point, it just becomes a live action cartoon.

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And it doesn't stop until the very end.

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Yeah, because even this stuff that like doesn't really matter,

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like his boss is Foreman Glenn and his wife, Francis McDormand.

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Like that stuff doesn't matter in really any capacity, but it's fucking funny.

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And it's great the cuts of him at work with that old guy.

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He just fell in stock.

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Talking about the story about finding a head.

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Oh, man, the guy.

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Well, OK, so the old guy at the bank

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and the old guy at the gas station convenience store,

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whatever, were my fucking favorite.

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Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Absolutely necessary.

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I know we just did Wild at Heart, but every time I watch both these, both that or this,

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I know both movies end with a bank robbery.

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And I can never remember outside of like who's there.

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Like the series of events, I kind of always am like,

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which one does someone get their hand shot off?

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Yeah. And they're both like a seat banks or banks for sure.

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Freezing it on the ground.

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Which one is it?

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If we get on the ground, we can't be freezing.

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John Goodman in this just makes this movie for me.

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Just him. The amount of scenes that it's just him screaming.

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He has such a primal scream in it, too, like when he climbs out of the shithole.

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Ah.

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So you just escape from prison.

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It's in the background.

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But you know what? You deserve this.

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Or just like two times they leave the baby.

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When they're going back for the baby the first time and he's just screaming

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and punching the roof of the car or when the the impact goes off.

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All of it's so good.

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It is fantastic.

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I think on this third watch, I finally was just able to like completely turn my brain off

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and just enjoy every aspect of this movie.

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The thing that kills me about it is the writing is so good.

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It's tight.

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Everything about it is phrased in such a weird, bizarro way.

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It's like nobody talks like this.

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And it's amazing. It's so funny.

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It's believable.

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Like you're right. Nobody talks like that.

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But also it's somehow executed in such a way that it's like not jarring.

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That's exactly it.

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It doesn't feel weird to hear it even though you're like no one says that.

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Right. You're comfortable with the way they talk.

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People always talk about like, I mean, I think this is well past this now with his last few movies.

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But people would always talk about how Tarantino does such naturalistic dialogue.

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But the Coen brothers do it so much better because it's actually focused and still feels like it's a real conversation.

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How do you all feel about the West Wing guy?

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Sorted.

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Yeah. How do you feel about his dialogue?

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West Wing social network.

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A lot of walking and talking. There's a lot of like back and forth.

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It's like Gilmore Girls for middle-aged dudes.

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Yeah. I mean, I feel fine with it.

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I feel like it is a good representation of like real patter in a workplace.

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But it's also sort of like too on it or something.

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I've heard it described as not how real people talk, but how we wish they talked.

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That's a good way to put it.

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And I want everyone to talk like they're from Raising Arizona or Fargo. Either one.

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I want everybody to talk like they're from Wild at Heart.

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Oh, that's good too.

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Yeah. That's just so affected.

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But Raising Arizona would be a solid choice.

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High and Sailor seem like they might have, they could have been separated at birth.

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Or met in prison and talked about crawdads and eating sand.

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There's a real dangerous intersection for those two worlds.

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Yeah.

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John, had you seen this before?

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Yeah. So I saw it like a while ago.

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I'm going to say like 15 years ago, something like that.

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And remember it being good.

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Remember it being funny, zany, whatever.

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But I couldn't remember any specifics about it.

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And so when you all started doing the podcast, I rewatched it and remembered how amazing it was.

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And then I think it was several months ago now.

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But when you talked about me coming on here for this, I rewatched it again.

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And then I've watched it twice in the last two days. So nice.

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You've watched it now, technically more than we have.

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Well, rewatches. But yeah, impressive.

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Thanks. I understood the assignment more than we do.

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Yeah, we're in charge of the show.

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We all we have to do is just know slightly more than the person coming in

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or at least be good at pretending when someone's like, did you guys know about this?

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And we go, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, the best part is just asking questions like,

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so why do you think this is the movie that needs to go forward?

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Because it's the definition of a Nick Cage movie.

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It's absolutely fucking zany. He's amazing at it.

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He's got this crazy character that he's the best at.

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Unless you want to go really serious, I would say like this and Pig are like the complete opposites

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and really good examples of the full spectrum of Nick Cage.

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Which one's better?

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I think Raising Arizona because it's a little bit more representative of his full career.

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Save yourself a little bit. It's not going up against Pig today.

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Not yet. Yeah, it's up to you guys.

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I do. I agree.

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I also fucking for asking me that question.

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I asked part of this.

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Technically, he wasn't asking you the question.

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He was just giving an example of what we can ask as podcast hosts.

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But it's what we were going to ask you.

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So why do you think this needs to move forward this week?

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We also we also have like 15 to 20 minutes more of time.

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So we spent 10 minutes talking about nothing.

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So we need to make a joke about that.

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So Peter has to put it in.

295
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I don't even remember what we're talking about anymore.

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Just say that's a nice callback.

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Oh, good. I'll definitely put that in.

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And there's a very sincere apology.

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Oh, great.

300
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Okay.

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So you know,

302
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I think the podcast is going to be a very good podcast show.

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It's going to be a good podcast show.

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Yeah.

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I think it's going to be a good podcast show.

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It's going to be a good podcast show.

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That's right.

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It's going to be a good podcast show.

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Has the podcast ever done a clip show?

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I listened to this week in tech once a week or I used to.

311
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And at the end of the year, they do a clip show.

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It sounds like so much fucking work for you.

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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it'd be one thing if I were like actually tucking good things aside

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every time I edit an episode, but you think ahead.

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Yeah.

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No, I didn't bucket any of those.

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All right.

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You have to go back.

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about absolutely everything Atlantic City require,

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like related, but never talking about the film

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and then moving on.

324
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So now you need to put 20 minutes of that right here.

325
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Perfect, done.

326
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John, what's your favorite podcast memory?

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One time I was listening to Stuff You Should Know.

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Fuck you.

329
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I mean, it was really holding out a lot of hope to think

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that you would actually give us one of ours.

331
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My favorite from this podcast is one of those little after

332
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whatever stings and Nick said, do you think,

333
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speaking of which, do you think Sting makes his sexual partners

334
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sign non completes?

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I love that one.

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That's so good.

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I was at work at my desk and I started laughing

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and I got a couple of looks.

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John, do you have a favorite?

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You're not going to ask me.

341
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Sean, do you have a favorite memory from this podcast?

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When you lost your shit.

343
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Oh, me too. That's my favorite.

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The mom and dad episode.

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Mom and dad in Next.

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Just you.

347
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Why is Colombo in this?

348
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The thing is, like, it's great on the podcast,

349
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but I very much remember just I've never seen you laugh like that before.

350
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It was it was everything leading up to that.

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It was just tickling me so much.

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And then that was whatever reason, the fucking thing that kicked me over the edge.

353
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We've been I've been chasing that high ever since.

354
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Oh, yeah. The good days.

355
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Yeah, we don't record like that anymore.

356
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No, no fun anymore.

357
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Never. Did we do favorite scene?

358
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No, we haven't really hit like specific scenes.

359
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Let's do the round robin favorite scene.

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And John, you can kick it off if you want.

361
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No, I'd rather not.

362
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I will.

363
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Thanks for coming on the podcast and talking about this fucking movie, asshole.

364
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Hey, shut up. You gave me the like,

365
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why should this be the best Nick Cage question?

366
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Yeah, it's perfect.

367
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Again, technically, he didn't.

368
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Right. It was a prompt.

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OK, my favorite scene this time when I was watching it is when high.

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I think they've come back from stealing the Huggies and Evel and

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the fuck is John Goodman's character's name, Dale and Dale and Evel

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are sitting on the couch and around them just beautifully arranged

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are like 22 Budweiser's. Yeah.

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And they're just having this conversation about like high being sort of a cuck

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and, you know, not having the balls to be the man in the situation.

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And I just kept laughing about it because there's like one crushed up there

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and it looks really normal.

378
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But then there's like one inside of a cup somewhere.

379
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And there's another one over here. It's just everywhere.

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Yeah. The set dresser for that scene just had a great job of like

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individual placement, like what makes this can fun?

382
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Yep. And then Goodman goes to the fridge and gets three more.

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The scene that got me this time and I always love this line, but

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full disclosure, I was like watching this in the background while I was packing.

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So just the scene that made me just stop what I was doing

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and just get a good chuckle in is just sometimes I'd find myself

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driving by convenience stores or even on the way home.

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I'm always going to love

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the Huggies theft scene just because it gets so crazy.

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Like the dogs get involved.

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And everybody's got a gun.

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It is a terrific just farcical moment.

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I also just I mean, in terms of his crime spree and all the scenes

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where he's up for parole. Those are good.

395
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Yeah. It's like, don't tell us what we want to hear.

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Tell us the truth.

397
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Well, I think the truth is what it's like.

398
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Well, then I am going to tell you what you want to hear.

399
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,240
Well, what I tell you about telling us what we want to hear.

400
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My favorite scenes are the one just the ones with the old guys.

401
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Both of those are so masterful.

402
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They're so dry.

403
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Everything they said is just hilarious because of the way they say it.

404
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And so unexpected.

405
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Yep. I like that.

406
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Yeah. The bank robbery is terrific.

407
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So where are the tellers?

408
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We're down here.

409
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We're on the ground like you told us.

410
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I also just I love the reason they don't want to leave the baby in the car

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because if they die robbing the bank, then people

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someone won't find the baby for hours.

413
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So they take the baby into the bank. Yeah.

414
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And then promptly forget the baby.

415
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On top of the roof. Never leave a man behind.

416
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I just love how everyone falls in love with the baby.

417
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Such a good MacGuffin.

418
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Well, he probably is the best baby.

419
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He is the best one.

420
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I think I got the best one.

421
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They're all terrific.

422
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I mean, I know this one's the best. Doesn't matter.

423
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And I know this movie is it you're not supposed to think about

424
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like how logistically any of this works, but it sounds like you're going

425
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to bring up the point.

426
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I love that.

427
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But it's like the way they say it's like so they've had these babies for a while

428
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because they're crawling. They're moving.

429
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Yeah, they're not like that's not a newborn.

430
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,560
No, they have teeth. Yeah. Yeah.

431
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How long does it take the fontanel to close up?

432
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By the time you got teeth, your fontanels are getting pretty closed up.

433
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,040
You probably don't have to mind that fontanel too much.

434
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It's pronounced fentanyl.

435
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You should mind your fentanyl.

436
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,560
Yeah. I mean, it probably takes a minute to get home.

437
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Like she was walking around and stuff.

438
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If I just dumped out five kids, I probably wouldn't be walking so much.

439
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Dumped out five kids.

440
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,960
Well, I mean, at that point, what do you think?

441
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It's a shoot. Yeah.

442
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One and two is pushing three kind of gets out before and five just sort of like

443
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I've never thought of the logistics of like inside multiple babies.

444
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But I just thought of like a bunch of like vocal chords hanging out.

445
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And I got a weird I grossed myself out.

446
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Do you think one comes out and then two through five just like firemen

447
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pulls down the fifth one definitely does.

448
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,320
Yeah. I assume people just squat out five.

449
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I never thought about it.

450
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I assume it's one that's so simple, right? So.

451
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And yeah, each one would have their own umbilical cord.

452
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That's like a four course meal.

453
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,400
So many placentas is like a trees.

454
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Identical twins versus no, that's just the eggs, right?

455
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So identical twins are one egg that splits.

456
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So is it always just one placenta?

457
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I don't know. I don't know.

458
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Let's ask our next guest about this.

459
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I should ask my brother who has twins.

460
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,160
Yeah, I know. How many placentas per child?

461
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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that our next guest

462
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doesn't know anything about placentas, but we will check in.

463
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Oh, OK. So fraternal twins will have individual placentas.

464
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Identical twins may end up sharing a single placenta.

465
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,440
This is getting dangerously close to our next podcast.

466
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PNs talk. Yeah.

467
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Us trying to learn about shit that we should know.

468
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:14,280
No, we don't try and learn about it.

469
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,040
We just say it as if it's fact. Oh, that's right.

470
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Well, man, we correctly instruct those who need instruction.

471
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Jesus. Fuck you.

472
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:28,280
Why? It's been a long time since we've talked about penis talk.

473
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,800
That's true. I still identified as man when we did last time we did.

474
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,880
That's true. Yeah.

475
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,080
Oh, different times.

476
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I can't wait to trans inclusionary

477
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:43,440
subject you by mansplaining to you.

478
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:49,720
Yeah. Trans inclusionary sexism.

479
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,000
It's what I have to look forward to in this life.

480
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,600
Oh, my God, I'm crying.

481
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,720
Oh, quote, quote, favorite quote.

482
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,960
Well, I'm going to read it.

483
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:09,480
Quote, quote, favorite quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote.

484
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,880
What does he say when he cocks a shotgun?

485
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,920
I think he just says, like, let's go get our baby or something like that.

486
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,560
But it's just this perfectly framed scene.

487
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,920
He goes, let's go get our baby.

488
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,880
And then it smash goes to something else.

489
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,400
The delivery is where it's at. Yeah.

490
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,360
Did you end up watching the weatherman?

491
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,600
I didn't. OK.

492
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,720
I thought about it and then I opted to watch this twice.

493
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,920
Yeah, I think that was a better choice.

494
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,000
Weatherman slaps. Yeah, it's good movie.

495
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,600
The last 15 to 20 seconds were great at this point.

496
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,680
Oh, yeah. You know, it ends now.

497
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,560
You're so it's ruined for you. Yeah.

498
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,800
He becomes a weatherman. He had a bow. That's true.

499
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,040
Yeah, he becomes Hawkeye.

500
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,040
Jesus Christ.

501
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,080
But for weather.

502
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,000
So he's like some weird storm Hawkeye combination shooting arrows.

503
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,200
It's a hurricane towards the people. Nice swords.

504
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,560
Yeah, he shoots swords out of his bow. Why not?

505
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,200
It's Hawkeye Hawkeye's brother is swordman.

506
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,160
Come at me, Marvel. What?

507
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,240
Yeah, he's like his brother is like a sword guy.

508
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,640
That's no God.

509
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,560
It was it was the Hawkeye is also the worst Hawkeye is the best.

510
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,960
Yeah, Hawkeye is not the worst plastic man's the worst.

511
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,240
That's a different universe.

512
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,480
You guys are going way too still sucks.

513
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,960
Anything with a movie is what I'm talking here.

514
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,360
Batman's the worst.

515
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,360
Batman's fucking not great.

516
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:31,440
I think Batman is a great character that's been way overdone

517
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,640
and like explored a little too far.

518
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,080
I think we need to like seriously sit down

519
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,400
and have a talk about Spider-Man one of these days.

520
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,240
Like I was going to say, we need to do that with Wolverine, but you're not wrong.

521
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,560
Yeah, it's to the point where like the editors aren't even entertaining

522
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,040
the thought of like Spider-Man ever getting back together with Mary Jane.

523
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,080
I don't know.

524
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,320
Also, I have not loved this whole jackpot shit with Mary Jane.

525
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,760
There's a whole lot going on right now with Spider-Man that I'm not so sure about.

526
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,200
No, to Spidey sense where we have Sean and Nick talking about my two Spidey sense.

527
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,160
Yeah, my two spots.

528
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,000
Oh, that's really good.

529
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:08,400
Yeah.

530
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,240
What else do you want to kind of put on tape about watching this multiple times?

531
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,880
Well, the easy thing to say is I watched it two days in a row and did not like

532
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,880
like I enjoyed both.

533
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,040
Not even upset about it.

534
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,840
Yeah, really, for real.

535
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,440
I'm not saying I would have done it, you know, if I wasn't coming to this.

536
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,480
But, you know, it's not like Joe, like.

537
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,320
Yeah, I don't think I watched that one a second time.

538
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,680
But it's not even like, oh, I don't know.

539
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,360
Pick a pick a fun Nick Cage movie.

540
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:41,080
It's not like a spirit of leaving Las Vegas.

541
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,720
Never seen it.

542
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,800
You're in for a romp.

543
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,000
Yeah, I've heard.

544
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,320
I'm also a listener, Nick.

545
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,560
Oh, shit.

546
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,640
We got to do something about that.

547
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,480
We might have just done that.

548
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,320
Patreon.com

549
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,640
slash cancel.

550
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,200
All right. Leave him out of the end.

551
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,040
Instinct.

552
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,240
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing that keeps getting me is it's just a really amazing

553
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,360
movie that happens to have Nicolas Cage in it.

554
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,960
And he's really good at it, too.

555
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,200
I don't know.

556
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,640
If somebody's like, hey, picking the cage movie for me to watch,

557
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,520
this is probably what I would pick for them.

558
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,480
It's one of the most high energy Nicolas Cage movies, for sure.

559
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,680
If if I was just competing on like energy levels alone,

560
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,640
this is like top three, maybe with

561
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,520
maybe only like a vampire's kiss and.

562
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,680
G force.

563
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:37,800
G force, for sure.

564
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,080
Yeah, it's got that boom boom pow.

565
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,280
I always ask myself like whether how whether this movie works

566
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,920
with out Nicolas Cage and this one, the whole I mean, this whole cast is so perfect.

567
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,360
Like there's not a single wasted part.

568
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,760
There's not a single person that I would take out of this film

569
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,200
or think that anyone else could do a better job.

570
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,880
So like in terms of that, definitely high mark for Nicolas Cage film.

571
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,680
Yeah, I think for me, both of these movies really benefit

572
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:12,160
from having just fucking banger scripts, like absolutely great writing.

573
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:18,160
I think that this one cage does such an excellent job with that script.

574
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,080
Like what he brings to it is pretty unique.

575
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,600
And I think that's what makes it stand out to me is like, yeah,

576
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,840
you could put any other like late 80s dude into that role

577
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,680
and they would be fine, but it wouldn't hit the same way.

578
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,680
Well, I think work so well as his character is so nonchalant about everything.

579
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,280
It's all very monotone.

580
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,120
Yeah, he's like he is high energy, but he's also sort of like one note.

581
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,360
He's kind of he's he's kind of the straight man for all the wacky shit.

582
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,280
And it works so well.

583
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,760
So the ultimate question does come down to, John,

584
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,360
why does this movie need to go forward?

585
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,600
I already asked that.

586
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,480
Yeah, but we never actually asked you that.

587
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Cut that in right now for the real part right now.

588
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,600
This is how you fix it in post.

589
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,640
Oh, I do want to bring up the no.

590
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,400
That's the question. Oh, yeah.

591
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,840
It's amazing. So like, yeah, it's set in 87.

592
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,200
But like most of the set dressing looks more like 75. Yeah.

593
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,360
And it was just so perfect.

594
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,040
I remember at one point they're sitting on their couch and it's that goofy,

595
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,840
like like various shades of tan pictures of barns and shit.

596
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,560
And I'm like, oh, my God, my grandparents had that when I was a kid.

597
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,080
I'm talking like 95.

598
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,200
Yeah. The wallpaper choices, especially in their trailer are stellar.

599
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,040
I mean, their starter home. Yeah. Right.

600
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,720
I do love the I want to go back.

601
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,600
The trailer fight always kills me.

602
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,160
It's just like close quarter, like combat between big people.

603
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,000
Someone's getting bounced into a ceiling.

604
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,840
Like ceilings are punching walls when you like just pull back.

605
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,040
It's everything comical about a good like close quarter fight.

606
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,800
Have you ever punched a wall like a sheetrock wall? I have.

607
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,920
I have to. And it is not fun.

608
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,080
No, they hold up pretty well.

609
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,240
They're good.

610
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,280
It's weird that something that's like fire preventative

611
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,120
for like two hours is so strong.

612
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,720
You wouldn't expect it.

613
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,120
But you can't go through the door.

614
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,160
Fire can't go through doors.

615
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,800
Not a ghost.

616
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,360
Kaelin wool, Nick.

617
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,000
And that's nice and light.

618
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,160
Kaeli Kaelin. Oh.

619
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,760
It is a super food.

620
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,920
I'm going to start packing.

621
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:28,840
Thanks for being here, John.

622
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,440
I'm going all natural now.

623
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,840
I'm just putting kale in my walls.

624
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,040
Yeah, there you go.

625
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,120
I thought you were saying I'm going to start packing your stuff,

626
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,320
so you'll leave sooner.

627
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,200
You're projecting a little bit.

628
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,560
Yeah, I don't need to pack it.

629
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,600
You've got a deck and a door right there.

630
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,840
I can just help you out right now and get out.

631
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,800
All right. Last thoughts.

632
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,960
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, pow.

633
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,800
That's it. Holds up. It's great.

634
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,280
I love this movie every time I say I like it more every time I say it.

635
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,920
Yes. Good.

636
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,080
This movie makes me want to box a toddler and I love it.

637
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720
Oh, man. It just gets me so excited.

638
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,960
Like, I mean, they everything.

639
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,480
I don't know. Like the energy is just so high.

640
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,320
It's so comedic.

641
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,000
I don't know. Box a toddler.

642
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,640
Yeah, I'm getting to that part. OK.

643
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,800
And it just gets me amped up that like I want to put on those

644
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,000
like comically large, like inflatable boxing gloves

645
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,480
and just knock over a four year old.

646
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,160
Like, I don't know if it's an uppercut or if I hit him with like a hook.

647
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,480
But that's still a toddler for me.

648
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,680
I think you're just a kid.

649
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,360
Oh, I could go younger.

650
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,720
I would say two, three is toddler. Sweet.

651
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Who's got a two year old?

652
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,720
I know. Well, one of our friends has a three year old, you know.

653
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,440
Yeah. Well, you pushing it.

654
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,000
But she's almost a kid.

655
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:46,920
Well, we'll see.

656
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,440
Oh, so she's ready to learn life's lessons. Right.

657
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,840
Yeah. This movie just gets me amped up.

658
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,320
I love just the energy and the inclusion of everything.

659
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,160
Like to have this kind of wacky ass story about

660
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,480
stealing a baby because somebody has too many babies.

661
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,720
Beautiful. Highly improbable.

662
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,160
Yeah, it's very improbable.

663
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,400
Kidnappings happen every day, John.

664
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,400
Name three. Lindbergh.

665
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,120
That happened today.

666
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,080
We got one. I got nothing else.

667
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,360
Fucking John Rene Ramsey. Nick, one more.

668
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,680
One more. That wasn't a kidnapping.

669
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,560
She got murdered by her parents.

670
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,560
But those kidnappings end in murder. Allegedly.

671
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,280
Allegedly. For legal reasons.

672
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,560
Take it. There we go. That's great.

673
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,240
Yeah, Steve. That guy's really bad.

674
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,720
It's just like knowing where his family is at any given time.

675
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,000
Yeah, they keep trying to take him. It's bad.

676
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,520
Yeah. Final thoughts.

677
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,040
Good for us. Bad for them.

678
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:42,840
Go ahead, John.

679
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,600
Well, I was just going to give you actual final thoughts

680
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,480
because I felt bad for just saying yes earlier.

681
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,680
That's half of my participation.

682
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,280
What? Just yes. Yeah.

683
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,840
Yeah. Good. You're the yes, man.

684
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Movie good. Yeah.

685
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,640
No, but for real, like it's a high quality movie.

686
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,880
You all have said everything there is to be said about this movie.

687
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,320
Yeah, but we don't remember what we said.

688
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,440
So it's new to us.

689
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,040
I also don't remember what you said.

690
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,440
All right. So it's new to you, too.

691
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,280
Well, it's not even the listeners.

692
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,840
You're the listener.

693
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,480
Allegedly.

694
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,440
No, it's why should this movie go forward, John?

695
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,560
For real. It's a it's a great movie.

696
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,240
Nick Cage is amazing in it.

697
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:19,640
It's really early in his career.

698
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,000
It's before his Oscar, which I think is really fun.

699
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,920
Yeah, I legit think this is Nick Cage's best movie except for maybe Pig.

700
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,480
But again, they're, you know, very polar opposites.

701
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,600
So well, thank you, John.

702
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,960
Do you have anything you want to plug?

703
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,520
Um, next, but.

704
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,280
Nice.

705
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,040
Well, we get some drinks later.

706
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,600
We do that. We don't have to wait till later.

707
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,600
Well, so that the bye bye goes there.

708
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:49,960
I know this podcast.

709
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,480
Do you know how editing works?

710
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,920
I can do whatever I want.

711
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,080
Like you can put in that time, Nick said multiple times.

712
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,600
He could, but he won't because he knows what's good for him.

713
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,360
Adios.

714
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,080
It's good to see you again.

715
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,080
It's been a long time. Yeah, it has.

716
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,360
It's been a really long time since you left Seattle.

717
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,880
So, yeah, yeah, it's been what?

718
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,200
Like 10 years more than that, but 12 years, something like that.

719
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,640
I think I've been up here for 12 and I think you and Lisa

720
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,840
were here too much longer after I showed up.

721
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,560
Yeah, no, it's about 12 years.

722
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,520
Crazy. Once I enter a city, it's fair.

723
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,600
Creates an exit point.

724
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,320
Uh huh.

725
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,760
It's just a clear and easy out.

726
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,120
They're just like, you know, things change.

727
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,800
I don't know. I just.

728
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,560
I've been here since.

729
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,120
I am moving to Portland in a week.

730
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,400
Yeah, we get it. That's fine.

731
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,360
I'm like stank on Portland already, too.

732
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,600
So you're not going to like it either.

733
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,360
But you're not there now.

734
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,800
This everywhere you go, you just leave a wake of Nick in your in your pack.

735
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,080
You know, we've established that Nick is just the generic like

736
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,520
shape of like just white guy.

737
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,320
So I see Nick everywhere I go. Yeah.

738
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,640
Yeah, I am the best kind of white guy.

739
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,680
It's sort of an I am Spartacus situation where everyone just sort of stands up

740
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,120
and is like, I'm Nick.

741
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,160
Then there's Jack and then Jack.

742
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,360
Yeah, which still sounds like a slur.

743
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,480
It does.

744
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,480
This is the best kind of Nick.

745
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,560
How are things going up there?

746
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,440
It's wet.

747
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:28,880
Yeah.

748
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,040
Spider. Yep.

749
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,080
Spider season.

750
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,840
Got to love spider season.

751
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,320
Yeah. Yeah.

752
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,560
No, things are going great.

753
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,080
Stop doing entertainment.

754
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,160
I didn't have that kind of heart in it for myself anymore.

755
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,640
Fair. And now I just make three times as much being an electrician.

756
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,240
I mean, it's hard to argue with that math.

757
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,560
Yeah. Yeah, that seems pretty good.

758
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,720
It's very reasonable.

759
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:58,160
Like, it's OK that I went to college and I'll pay it off this way.

760
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,800
Yep, absolutely.

761
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,840
You know, our backstories really aren't that different.

762
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,720
No, I make so much more money doing web development

763
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:08,760
than I ever did as an illustrator. Absolutely.

764
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,560
I feel like that's sort of the story of our entire generation.

765
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,400
We like we went to school for something artistic.

766
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,960
And then at some point, we found out that we actually had to make money

767
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,880
doing something else.

768
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,000
Yeah, Scott warned us like early on.

769
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,640
He's like, hey, guys, you're going to be poor if you do this for a living.

770
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,720
And it's like every year he'd start out like, hey, guys, here's my speech.

771
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,600
Get ready to be poor.

772
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,200
It's a spirit.

773
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,560
Yeah. Full of love and happiness.

774
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,080
Nope. Yeah.

775
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,120
And if you're lucky, you'll have some high highs,

776
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,600
but those low lows are guaranteed.

777
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,320
Yeah, exactly.

778
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,840
This is a nice segue into depression,

779
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,480
which I think is a yes theme of the weatherman.

780
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,880
Agreed. Well done. Yeah, I know.

781
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:02,600
We're basically like describing the early life of Dave Spritz here, right?

782
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,640
Dave Spritz, Al.

783
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,160
And we have our special guest this week.

784
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,440
Hey, I'm Alec Wilson.

785
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,520
Very nice to be on the podcast.

786
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,000
Yeah. Thanks for being here.

787
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,320
So you're our first or this is your first time with us.

788
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,840
Not to require a second time.

789
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,240
We'll leave that open.

790
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:29,320
But this is my first time here to all of us.

791
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,640
My name's Alec Wilson.

792
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,400
I went to school with Nick, for better or worse.

793
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:36,600
I'm an actor.

794
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,720
I spent several years going around the country,

795
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:42,720
doing theater, various places before I landed in L.A.

796
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:45,960
I was there for about 10 years,

797
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,520
appeared in some small films and some small roles in TV shows.

798
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,120
And now I'm here to pimp the weatherman as it goes.

799
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,240
The logical progression as it goes.

800
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,080
It's like the career arc.

801
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,440
Weatherman is a certain point in the career arc.

802
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,440
And it's it's dead center for me.

803
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,360
You know, I did want to talk about that.

804
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,240
I'm just going to talk about it now.

805
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:12,120
There was like I remember the weatherman being that kind of kind of peak

806
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,920
of when like Nick Cage movies were were advertised as kind of the thing to say.

807
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,320
Like, I feel like that kind of quickly went downhill after this.

808
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,800
Yeah, it did.

809
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,960
There was definitely like a pocket and then it collapsed really rapidly.

810
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,880
So it's like right, right near the end of the window,

811
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,600
because this came out, what same year's Lord of War,

812
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,240
which I think you guys already eliminated, right?

813
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,680
Oh, that movie sucks.

814
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,960
That was. Yeah, yeah.

815
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,640
That and this were both kind of like that last year of just like Nick Cage movie.

816
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,360
And this movie is great.

817
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,880
And Lord of War, not. Yeah.

818
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,240
Yeah. And yet I think Lord of War got like got all of the advertising

819
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:55,240
money between the two Nick Cage movies.

820
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:01,080
Like, I remember ads for Lord of War, and that was, you know, 20, 20 years ago.

821
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,920
I still remember those ads.

822
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,120
Listen, Michael Caine, don't come cheap.

823
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,560
Well, and I mean, Lord of War is getting another.

824
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:12,520
It's getting a sequel potentially, which is, you know, like it's insane.

825
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,720
That movie is not that good.

826
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:19,120
It's not that interesting, but it has to cloud is to your point, you know.

827
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,640
Well, I want to let go in the second one, so that'll be better.

828
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,320
Yeah, no, but I think I think you're absolutely right.

829
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,480
Like there were two Nick Cage movies that year.

830
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,640
One of them was good and went completely under everybody's radar.

831
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,440
And the other one was pretty terrible.

832
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,840
And his career was really in the process of falling off a cliff

833
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,880
like there or shortly thereafter.

834
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,160
Yeah, because as we've talked about, the next things up is Ant

835
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,880
Bully World Trade Center, Wicker Man Ghost Rider one.

836
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,880
Guesting on Grindhouse, then next.

837
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,600
What was adaptation?

838
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,680
Adaptation was 2002.

839
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,160
And this weatherman was 2005.

840
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,560
OK, 2005. Yeah.

841
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,040
Ant Bully, I I've only heard the title like once or twice,

842
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,720
but I feel like that's a film I could really get into.

843
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,560
It's animated like pushing around some Karens or something.

844
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,440
Are we just getting violent and like a wine like a siphon?

845
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,120
Exactly. Sippin paint, siphon paint. Yeah.

846
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,560
I had seen this movie shortly after it came out originally

847
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,000
and then hadn't seen it for 20 years until I watched it just a couple of weeks ago.

848
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,840
And then I watched it again a couple of days later

849
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,240
just because I realized I had forgotten just how freaking fantastic this movie is.

850
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,080
There are things like the that tartar sauce stream of consciousness

851
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,640
that like as soon as it started, I was like, oh, right.

852
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,520
I remember just laughing my ass off watching this for the first time.

853
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,280
It's so good.

854
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,760
Nothing in cinema ever beats Michael Caine

855
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,480
dropping camel toe the first time.

856
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,680
And the way he just won't stop saying it during that first scene.

857
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Just I just I just rewatched this movie.

858
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,640
David, do you know what camel toe is?

859
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,880
It is atrocious American dialect.

860
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,240
Oh, it's so bad.

861
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:22,400
Just rewatching this right before like we started recording today

862
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,560
and just his final scene with his son and the great advice he gives him,

863
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,280
which is sometimes you just have to chuck things in this shit life.

864
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,800
Yeah. Sometimes you just chuck shit.

865
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,160
This is like my stump speech for this movie.

866
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,160
The reason I one of the reasons I really, really love this movie

867
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:46,160
is because it's like a perfect anti typical Hollywood narrative movie.

868
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,440
Because if you if you were to approach somebody with this script and say, listen,

869
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,800
this is going to be the guy's last conversation with his dad.

870
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,440
He's going to have words of wisdom to impart to him.

871
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,840
What's this powerful message going to be?

872
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,600
Sometimes you got to give up on shit, right?

873
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,600
What Hollywood executive is going to go? Yeah, check.

874
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:11,160
We'll do that. No, they're going to say, oh, no, it needs to be something meaningful

875
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,280
and aspirational and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

876
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:20,920
And I think it takes like Gore Verbinski in the middle of making the Pirates franchise,

877
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,360
which is making everybody in Hollywood

878
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:29,240
like more money than they could possibly imagine to get studio backing

879
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,560
for this script like it is just a perfect chain of events

880
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,840
that this movie can even exist at all.

881
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,360
I do love those like weird little passion projects where, yeah, like

882
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,760
Gore Verbinski is making all the money in the world.

883
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,080
And he's like, what do you want to do next?

884
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,160
Like, I want to do this weird thing with Nicolas Cage being sad.

885
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,760
Yeah. Yeah.

886
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:54,480
I want to like do a film about divorce and midlife crises.

887
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,920
Something that a lot of people will identify with.

888
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,200
Well, at least three people I identify with in a good 20 years. Yeah.

889
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,320
I also watched this movie

890
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,000
like in shortly after it came out on DVD and then didn't watch it again

891
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,120
until this podcast.

892
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,040
And I remember liking it.

893
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,200
And I was excited when we got to it the first time.

894
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,720
And I'm like, oh, good. This movie is is good.

895
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,320
My memory of this isn't right.

896
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,440
It's grown on me so many times now.

897
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,960
It's like the first time I watched it, I was like, I like it.

898
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,920
But I'm not like blown away by it.

899
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,120
You know, the structure of our podcast means that like

900
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,200
good movies go up against bad movies. They get whittled down.

901
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,320
So I was like, it seems like a slam dunk moving forward kind of situation.

902
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,560
The second time I watched it, I was like, I like it more.

903
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,560
Third time, I'm like, this movie fucking rules. It's so good.

904
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,600
We just need to get you to watch Ghost Rider five more times.

905
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,680
We love it. I will never like Ghost Rider.

906
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,480
That movie sucks.

907
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,760
Shit. It can take jelly beans right to fucking hell.

908
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,880
This movie is like one of those adult ice creams that you try the first time.

909
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,320
And you're just like, oh, fucking pralines.

910
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,520
I don't need that.

911
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,760
Shaking me some of the cocoa puffs in it.

912
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,600
And then like the next time, you know, it's like, you know,

913
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,120
that's actually like a good it's a fine pairing.

914
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,480
And it's OK. I like it.

915
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,000
You know, it's a nice day.

916
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,480
And pretty soon you're just like, fuck, yeah, dude, give me

917
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,640
give me those fucking candied walnuts and booth.

918
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,040
Those pralines right up my.

919
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:16,880
Yeah.

920
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,800
Somebody shove a praline on my.

921
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,880
I got to get this Sunday started.

922
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:25,880
Whoop whoop.

923
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,360
All I want is candied walnut and praline ice cream.

924
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,400
Now, where do I find that?

925
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,200
Well, I got one place that'll serve it is definitely soft serve.

926
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,680
That didn't take long.

927
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,760
That's the one.

928
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,600
That's it. That's the joke.

929
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,720
That's the one you hit my limit.

930
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,960
Fuck, yeah. All right.

931
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,480
You're out. You're finally free.

932
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,880
That's one more friend group out the window.

933
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,280
One fewer social obligation.

934
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,280
I just had to make a bad, bad poop joke.

935
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,600
I didn't have to leave town.

936
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,920
That's it. Looks like I'm moving to Portland.

937
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,560
No. Ignore that big box in the corner.

938
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,760
That just says Nick on it.

939
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,360
Yeah, the one with the air holes.

940
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,160
This end up

941
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,640
definitely doesn't smell like farts and spiders.

942
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,400
So from like a performance perspective,

943
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,280
like as an actor, what do you think about the performances in there

944
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,960
across the spectrum of the people in this movie, not just Nick Cage?

945
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,960
So let's let's set aside Michael Caine's dialect and just

946
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,800
just acknowledge that it's not great if we can.

947
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,000
Let's just let that live in its own little world of why wasn't this character

948
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,600
just English? It wouldn't have changed anything.

949
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,640
But I think the the performances in this movie are fantastic.

950
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,200
A Nick Cage, he's doing something he rarely, rarely does,

951
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,800
which is like a very kind of subtle grounded performance.

952
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,880
It's incredibly naturalistic, everything he's doing.

953
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:07,560
And he's very, very funny in it, but in a very dry way,

954
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:12,280
which is not what you think of when you think a typical Nick Cage performance.

955
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,840
You think, you know, like vampires kiss or something,

956
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,920
these huge over the top moments.

957
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:20,680
And this movie, there's like none of that throughout this entire movie,

958
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,320
maybe one or two moments.

959
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,720
The rest of it is these little tiny looks.

960
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:27,640
And I think that's one of the reasons it gets better on rewatching,

961
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,360
because you pick up more of those little subtle moments that he's layering in.

962
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,120
One thing I noticed this time just about his acting,

963
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,280
the scene that really stuck out to me is no dialogue whatsoever.

964
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,800
It's when him and Shelley are when he's buying her the clothes

965
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,480
and she's like coming out with all the different outfits and just his like,

966
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,120
it's all silent, just music over and you see Nick Cage just kind of hamming it up

967
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,000
and just great like body work and great like physical acting.

968
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,840
It's the most joy you see him

969
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,120
experience while parenting the whole film.

970
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,360
It's true. Maybe ever. Yeah.

971
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,760
It's the only time you see her, Shelley, have like any joy in the entire movie,

972
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,200
except for like a brief twinkle behind her eyes when she talks about

973
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,200
bow hunting and killing small animals.

974
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,480
Oh, yeah, she's probably a serial killer. Yeah.

975
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,880
So sociopathy definitely on the spectrum for her.

976
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,200
I mean, that's that's a perfect transition because Shelley is

977
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,520
like maybe the most scene stealing kid in a movie.

978
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,240
She's right up there. She's so good.

979
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,840
Yeah, we've aligned her.

980
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,280
We have a good kid, bad kid like toggle that we have in this pod.

981
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,800
She's definitely a shitty child, but we love Shelley so much.

982
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,280
We stand a legend for her shittiness.

983
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,800
Like most shitty kids in this in the Nicolas Cage filmography suck.

984
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,880
But Shelley's a shitty kid that we we support.

985
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,680
There's handpan than every other kid.

986
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,400
Pretty much. Yeah.

987
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,800
Handpan, Shelley, every other kid, but there's like a good a good break.

988
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:04,680
There's a big gap. Yeah.

989
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,720
Where you say like, well, handpan's a good kid.

990
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,880
And Shelley's a bad kid, but fucking awesome.

991
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,160
Yeah. The way she orders cigarettes

992
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,000
and just like ask for a pair like strikes strikes.

993
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,080
So cool. I love Shelley.

994
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,760
Yeah, she's the best.

995
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:28,240
Well, like Nick Holt is just a young Nick Holt, who I just I love his work now

996
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:30,800
and just to go back and just see that.

997
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,200
You know, his acting is pretty bad, but he's a teenager.

998
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,920
You know, it's not the best of his career.

999
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,920
And you can see like the starts of what he will be.

1000
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,560
But it's not his finest work.

1001
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:47,040
No. Although I do have to say in defense of Nicholas Holt, like his performance,

1002
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,520
he's kind of like a sullen, mumbly teenager through most of it.

1003
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,640
But his American dialect is better than Michael Caine's.

1004
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,400
Yeah, very good point.

1005
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,360
And he hasn't had nearly as much time in the craft to sharpen that one.

1006
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:03,600
Michael, this is true.

1007
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,320
I understand. Like, why would you ever bother with accent work?

1008
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,640
Like, just play on it. You fucking are. Yeah.

1009
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,360
You you. Yeah, you're Michael Caine.

1010
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,840
Let's get let's get Michael Caine as a Southern gentleman.

1011
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,440
Like, no.

1012
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,840
Oh, he was supposed to be like the great American author.

1013
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,520
And yeah, it's weird.

1014
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,640
It's kind of like the same, like the rumored reason why Constantine

1015
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,080
isn't British in the county movies, because they're like, we need a big name.

1016
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,680
Let's get Keanu Reeves only to find out he can't do a British accent.

1017
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:39,080
Do you think they ask Nicholas Cage to train up Michael Caine on a Boston accent?

1018
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,160
No, this is oh, no, this was this was Boston time.

1019
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,520
Yeah, this would be the height of the Nicholas Cage Boston accent.

1020
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,600
This is where he gets his best.

1021
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,480
He's left Southern behind full on Boston.

1022
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,040
Just all Boston cop from here on out.

1023
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,520
Why would you want anything else?

1024
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,280
No, I mean, have you ever seen the 9-11 movie?

1025
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,920
I haven't, actually. I haven't. No.

1026
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,800
Well, it's got Michael Pena doing just an incredible job.

1027
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:08,920
Yeah, he's very good.

1028
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,520
Nicholas Cage does a Boston accent for a New York cop.

1029
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,480
Is it is it just wonderful?

1030
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,280
It's it's what I live for.

1031
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,760
So actually, it does.

1032
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,280
It brings up an interesting question, Alec.

1033
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,080
What is your relationship to Cage?

1034
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,280
You know, have you seen a billion of his movies?

1035
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,320
Have you seen 10?

1036
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,640
I've seen a lot of them.

1037
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:28,920
I haven't seen all of them.

1038
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,320
I looked through the bracket.

1039
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,280
I think I've seen somewhere between somewhere around

1040
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,880
like two thirds of the movies on that list, I think.

1041
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,400
Pretty good. There's there's a decent number of the especially the more obscure

1042
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,880
ones that I haven't seen, but I have seen a lot of them.

1043
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,240
And I mean, this this is a tough week because of the ones that I've seen,

1044
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,840
like this could be the final for me.

1045
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,720
Like these are two of my very favorite Nicholas Cage movies of all time.

1046
00:51:55,720 --> 00:52:00,080
This in Raising Arizona, which it like it's tough for me to like

1047
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,120
try and get the edge on Raising Arizona because I also love that movie.

1048
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,080
But you got to love like The Rock, right?

1049
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,760
For its special little place.

1050
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,960
But in terms of just what what is a great movie?

1051
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,800
It's this one for me.

1052
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,920
It's The Weatherman.

1053
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,160
It is incredibly well acted.

1054
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,560
Like I consider this an adult comedy.

1055
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,120
I mean, it's not like a like raunchy comedy.

1056
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,240
It's it's your like, I don't know, intellectual comedy.

1057
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:30,000
Like, does it fall in the same like world space as like sideways?

1058
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,400
We're like, you want to feel good or like,

1059
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,000
what's that movie that Will Ferrell did?

1060
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,640
Stranger than fiction. Oh, sure.

1061
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,360
So sort of that kind of like world space of like, yeah, it's darker,

1062
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,840
but it's still funny.

1063
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,440
It's not just like and it touches like real world.

1064
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,960
Like things like depression and divorce.

1065
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,680
And yeah, it doesn't belittle or demean anything.

1066
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,200
BJ's lacked enthusiasm.

1067
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,840
The funny the funny in this movie is like

1068
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,600
it's just enough like of that really dark, dry humor

1069
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,480
to like make the bitter pill at the core of this movie go down,

1070
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,400
which is like another reason that like this is a movie

1071
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,960
that's going to fly under everybody's radar because nobody wants to hear

1072
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,040
that like maybe you should just give up.

1073
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,880
Maybe what you need to do is delete the novel that's on your hard drive.

1074
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,200
Like, that's not an easy thing to hear, but it's an important thing to hear.

1075
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:33,360
Oh, I love just his inner monologue throughout this movie and like his thinking

1076
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:38,520
and just like how relatable that is to depressive states

1077
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,000
and like very real life inner monologues that I've had at times.

1078
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,440
But I just the one that sticks out to me is when he's after

1079
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,280
after got hit with the apple pie and he's like, you know,

1080
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,320
right before he beats up the pedophile talking about how it's like, you know,

1081
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,120
Thomas Edison didn't get pies thrown at him.

1082
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,080
It's like then right before like right when he gets up to the gate, he's just like

1083
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,120
clowns get pies thrown at them.

1084
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,000
And there's that moment right when he's like, oh, he's about to realize something.

1085
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,680
Then he's like, nope, got to go beat someone up.

1086
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,760
Yeah, yeah.

1087
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,720
But that moment of realization, then he beats the shit out of the guy.

1088
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,400
Then he picks right back up walking back.

1089
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,320
So nobody ever threw a pie at Harriet Tubman,

1090
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,840
but a million fucking dollars nobody ever threw a pie at Harriet Tubman.

1091
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:25,360
No, his in his inner monologue, I think, is what really seals

1092
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:32,120
this movie for me and a lot of a lot of conversations is it's just so like clearly.

1093
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,760
I mean, I identify with it because of like how often I go in and out of

1094
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:42,360
like something with myself and it's I don't know, it's relatable and it's stupid.

1095
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,400
You mentioned the tartar sauce scene.

1096
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,600
I can't tell you how many times I like my brain just wanders.

1097
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,440
It's not necessarily about like who or who does not enjoy eating pussy.

1098
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,800
But I mean, it's on record, we know.

1099
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,200
But I don't know.

1100
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,600
Like focusing is not my strongest suit.

1101
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,760
So when I see a scene like that, I'm like, yeah, OK, I get it.

1102
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,480
I understand.

1103
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,240
I have to ask you how many times during a given day

1104
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:15,080
does the random thought I wish I had two dicks just pop into your brain?

1105
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:19,600
OK, so recently I found a news article about a guy

1106
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,360
who may have died without ever knowing that he had three penises.

1107
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,680
I just heard about this. Yeah, it blew me away.

1108
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:26,880
What? Yeah. What?

1109
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,560
So apparently his testicles were extra penises and he didn't like

1110
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,480
may not have known that there were extra dicks instead of just

1111
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,880
instead of balls in his ball sack.

1112
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,040
And this is only the second.

1113
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,320
So it is the second record.

1114
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,680
It's happened again where some other guy had three penises.

1115
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,000
You know, I've gone back and forth on the two penis situation before.

1116
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,560
The two penis problem.

1117
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,720
Obviously, you have a two penis problem.

1118
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:57,560
Weighing the pros versus the cons. Yeah.

1119
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,960
Clearly, you want like top bottom stackers.

1120
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,160
Yeah, you don't want side to side. You don't want side stackers.

1121
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,960
No, that's no good to anybody.

1122
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,840
Yeah, it seems to be the way it often comes out.

1123
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,040
Yeah, it's class.

1124
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,440
Classes are side by side.

1125
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,600
Yeah. Clasper, the friendly ghost.

1126
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,760
Oh, shark dicks.

1127
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,920
I'm going to get a clasp for the friendly ghost tattoo and you can't stop me.

1128
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,400
Is that going to be your tattoo?

1129
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,600
It's going to be my Peter tattoo.

1130
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,360
Oh, don't do it.

1131
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,800
Two dicks. Never forget.

1132
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,040
Yeah, New York skyline with just two penis.

1133
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,240
Nothing wrong with this. I support fully.

1134
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:42,000
Rigidly. Yeah.

1135
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,520
Turgid. Turgid.

1136
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:44,720
I love that word.

1137
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:48,720
But yeah, so I'm all for multiple penises.

1138
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,960
I've definitely put it on the record.

1139
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,520
Yeah. On a day to day basis, do I think about it?

1140
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:59,200
Maybe not. But I think it gets like a monthly check in.

1141
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,440
Yeah. Honorable mention.

1142
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,680
Like there's got to be some time where I'm like, you know,

1143
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,480
it would be really helpful right now.

1144
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,160
Second dick. Just to have a spare, you know.

1145
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,640
Sure. I mean, this one's busy.

1146
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,840
Yeah. Tap this one in.

1147
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,320
This one could be doing other stuff like taxes.

1148
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,880
Yeah. All my debt taxes.

1149
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,040
This one's really good at typing for some reason.

1150
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,960
Why the government really takes their cut.

1151
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:26,760
Oh, God.

1152
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,440
I don't even know how to get out of this.

1153
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,120
You were talking earlier about like the internal monologue

1154
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,640
and about how I like really kind of like seals a lot of things.

1155
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,520
And all the way to the end of the film, I think one that really got me

1156
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,520
was like his acceptance during an internal monologue

1157
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,880
where he's like in the parade and he's like, oh, you know,

1158
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,760
you know, I'm behind station 47.

1159
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,560
All right. But I'm in front of SpongeBob and that's OK.

1160
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,120
And, you know, he found his place and that's good.

1161
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,600
You know, he makes a dick ton of money, like two dick tons of money.

1162
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:05,840
And yes, one point two million in 2005 bucks is still that solid money.

1163
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,000
Yeah, man. That's good.

1164
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,440
It's two deck money. It's two dick money.

1165
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,360
That is absolutely two deck money.

1166
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,640
This brings up this brings up another point I wanted to make about

1167
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:23,120
like this, if this movie through the lens of being a Nicolas Cage movie.

1168
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,320
So I ran into an interview with Verbinski.

1169
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,360
It was it was actually he was doing a junket tour

1170
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,920
and it was specifically for the weatherman.

1171
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,920
The interview was supposed to be for the weatherman.

1172
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,960
They talked about the weatherman for like the first third.

1173
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,080
And the rest of it was all questions about the pirates movies.

1174
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,560
Yeah. I mean, they're not going to ask me about the Mexican.

1175
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,560
No, no, definitely not.

1176
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,680
But he said when he got the script, like he loved the script.

1177
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,240
And then he like had some prior relationship with the cage

1178
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,360
and he sent the script to Nick Cage.

1179
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,080
And he came back and said, look, I I really want to do this.

1180
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,560
Like, this is me.

1181
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,160
I don't have to act. This guy is me.

1182
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,080
And if you think about what was going on in Nick Cage's life and who he is,

1183
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,160
like his his dad's a lit professor, his uncle's,

1184
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,440
Frantz Ford Coppola talk about a father figure you can never live up to.

1185
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,880
He'd been divorced, I think, twice at this point.

1186
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,680
He's very financially successful,

1187
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:30,480
but probably feels like artistically he's not where he wished he was.

1188
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,280
Like it all lines up for this being Nicholas Cage around age 40.

1189
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,400
And I think that's that's part of like that's part of why his performance

1190
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,240
in this is feels so effortless and so good because he just steps into it

1191
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,440
and brings like his real life to.

1192
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,880
It's definitely kind of like just an old slipper or something.

1193
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,320
Like he just kind of exists in this role.

1194
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,360
Like it just fits around him very wonderful.

1195
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,120
There is something about the performance that is, I guess,

1196
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:06,360
so naturalistic and so real and raw to where even like I look, think of

1197
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:12,400
adaptation or what's leaving Las Vegas, like the kind of big ones for him.

1198
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,040
But like where he's acting great, but it's, you know,

1199
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,400
acting as opposed to this, we're just like, no, this this just feels real

1200
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,200
in a way that I don't think most of his performances do.

1201
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,200
Yeah, that's really well put.

1202
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,560
There are those little short snippets where he's like looking in the mirror

1203
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:33,960
and he puts on his like shitty grin and then it kind of falls just for a fraction.

1204
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,880
It's like, oh, God, that feels so fucking real.

1205
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,480
Yeah, it's beautiful.

1206
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:43,400
There's a moment like that with the the the fast food internal monologue thing.

1207
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,200
We just talk about people throwing, you know, it's always something

1208
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,600
they'd rather throw away than then finish.

1209
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,000
And it gets down to the end of it.

1210
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,640
And there's this like pause.

1211
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:52,800
It's just long enough.

1212
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:58,600
And then I am fast food and it all that it hits.

1213
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,240
It's so good. It's so good.

1214
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,360
Yeah, you hurt for him a little bit at that moment.

1215
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,440
Yeah, you got to think about like the Nicolas Cage filmography

1216
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:10,000
and him saying I am fast food and like thinking about Gore Verbinski,

1217
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,400
like coming to terms with like he's forever going to be that dude

1218
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,800
who's famous for making movies based on a ride at Disneyland.

1219
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,400
Right. Exactly.

1220
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,200
Yeah, this is terrific.

1221
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:27,800
I love I love that identification between director and actor.

1222
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,400
The personal touch, I think, really comes through for both of them.

1223
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,400
One of those rare situations where like the right script

1224
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,400
hits the right people at the right time and the right people.

1225
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,000
And they have enough clout to actually get a green light.

1226
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,800
Yeah, it's one of those magic in a bottle movies

1227
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,600
and and flies under everybody's radar

1228
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,800
because it was never going to be commercially successful,

1229
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,200
which is why Lord of War got better billing than it.

1230
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,800
But, you know, whatever.

1231
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,800
This is one of those films where, you know, when I ask,

1232
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,200
is this movie made better by Nick Cage?

1233
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,000
Like no one else could have done this film

1234
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,600
and done it this well. I can't that I can think of.

1235
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:05,800
Yeah, I agree with that.

1236
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,200
That's an important assessment.

1237
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,400
Yeah. Yeah.

1238
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,200
It's really perfect casting.

1239
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,600
Yeah, at this point, that's ultimately what I'm looking for in these films

1240
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,400
is like how much of this does Nick Cage sell

1241
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,000
and this whole movie works on him.

1242
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,400
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1243
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:26,900
Contrast, of course, to the other film to Raising Arizona.

1244
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:28,800
If you ask the same question,

1245
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:33,000
I could say that, like, obviously Nicholas Cage makes the role,

1246
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,600
but the Coen brothers could have cast anybody

1247
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:40,200
and they could have made a fantastic film regardless.

1248
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:45,600
Right. And they really maybe wanted to after that movie, maybe not enjoy him.

1249
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,600
I can't imagine not enjoying him.

1250
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,200
Not to get like too deep into the other movie, but hey,

1251
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,400
I think you're absolutely right.

1252
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,200
Like that movie rests on the strength of the Coen brothers imagination.

1253
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,600
And like the strong by far,

1254
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,000
I think the strongest performance in that movie is Holly Hunter.

1255
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,600
She's so ridiculously good.

1256
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:10,200
But bringing it back to this one, because we haven't talked about Hope Davis

1257
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,800
speaking of female leads, and she's amazing in this movie as well.

1258
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:18,400
Yes. Also, still to this day, my all time just Hollywood crush.

1259
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,800
I don't know. Even even now, just I fucking love Hope Davis.

1260
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,200
Her getting hit with the snowball and just being like, the fuck, Dave?

1261
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:29,800
Yes. It's so good.

1262
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,800
I think I think my my favorite moment that she has in this

1263
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,200
is when they're in the restaurant after the like trust building thing

1264
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,900
and he starts going off about it wasn't science fiction.

1265
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:44,100
One of the characters was a scientist and the moment of realization

1266
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:48,500
she has that he immediately read the paper is so good.

1267
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:56,000
Yeah. Dave, fuck you.

1268
01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:58,000
Fuck you.

1269
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,400
He is just a shitty partner.

1270
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:04,900
There are so many moments in this movie

1271
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:09,000
where you just want to slap him upside the head, but that's like the biggest one

1272
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,000
immediately goes in the bathroom.

1273
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,800
You're like, I know why you're doing it, but fuck, dude, pull it together.

1274
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,800
Sorry, I love that he goes into the bathroom and pulls out the note

1275
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:19,700
and then another guy walks in behind him.

1276
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:22,200
He's just like, oh, it's cool.

1277
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,600
Hey, what's up? Yeah.

1278
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:28,100
And then it's like you piece of shit.

1279
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:36,000
And then, of course, we I mean, we have to mention the like, I hated you.

1280
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,800
That's why I lacked enthusiasm when your cock was in my mouth.

1281
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,900
That's such a fucking brutal line.

1282
01:04:41,900 --> 01:04:43,600
Yeah, it's so brutal.

1283
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,100
You can't come back from that.

1284
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:48,300
No, no, no, there's no coming back.

1285
01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:53,500
I mean, that was especially rude because all he said was that they lacked enthusiasm

1286
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:57,600
and she brings the hate when your cocks in my mouth game.

1287
01:04:58,100 --> 01:05:00,300
It was there's some definite escalation there.

1288
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:01,700
Yeah.

1289
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:03,100
He's like, I don't know, man.

1290
01:05:03,100 --> 01:05:05,000
It wasn't my favorite.

1291
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,800
Nope. I hate having poor Shelly, poor Shelly, like opening the front door

1292
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,100
at exactly the wrong moment to hear that.

1293
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,200
Shelly just brutal.

1294
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:19,300
I'll be in the background for some of the best just parts like Shelly.

1295
01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:20,100
Why are you here?

1296
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:22,400
It's because Shelly's too adult for her own good.

1297
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,300
Yeah, totally.

1298
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:27,300
I love all the outfits and they all have hats.

1299
01:05:28,700 --> 01:05:30,300
It's very New York minute kind of thing.

1300
01:05:30,300 --> 01:05:31,100
Yeah.

1301
01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:34,100
She just looked like an extra from Blossom or something.

1302
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:36,100
Totally. I do.

1303
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:40,400
Definitely. This movie ends on such like it's been such kind of a downer

1304
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,700
and very like, you know, just kind of the whole thing is about acceptance

1305
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:46,800
accepting your role and your your lot in life.

1306
01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:50,500
And we have that kind of more upbeat ending where he has like a moment

1307
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:53,400
of realization that, you know, people don't throw stuff at him anymore.

1308
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:55,300
And, you know, maybe it's because they respect him.

1309
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:58,400
But then he has that little beat than a moment of realization.

1310
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:01,000
Or maybe it's just because I carry a weapon with me now.

1311
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,100
Maybe it's because I'm carrying a bow.

1312
01:06:04,700 --> 01:06:07,000
Do you guys have favorite scenes from this?

1313
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,500
I love when he beats up the pedophile.

1314
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:10,500
That's pretty good.

1315
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:14,500
I always kind of come back to

1316
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:17,500
when he's like at his father's living wake,

1317
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,100
when he doesn't get to give his speech or whatever.

1318
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:21,700
And Iraq. Yeah.

1319
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:25,500
So he's just outside or I may have this

1320
01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:29,100
timeline wise backwards a little bit, but he's just outside like

1321
01:06:29,100 --> 01:06:32,500
shooting his bow and Russ is there and fuck Russ.

1322
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:34,800
And then he's just going to aim his bow at Russ.

1323
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:39,000
And then it's super threatening and very dark for everybody who's there.

1324
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,500
That's right. He found out that there she's going to marry Russ.

1325
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:44,800
That's right. It's before it's right for the speeches.

1326
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,600
Yeah, before the speech. Yeah, yeah.

1327
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:52,400
One that we haven't talked about yet that I absolutely love is right after he

1328
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,700
he comes back to the house after he finds out what's happening,

1329
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:57,500
what's happened with his son.

1330
01:06:57,500 --> 01:06:59,800
He comes back to the house and Russ is there.

1331
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,100
He just smacks him in the face with the glove.

1332
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,500
And it's one of my favorite lines in the movie is afterwards.

1333
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:08,700
Here's something if you want your father to think you're not a silly fuck,

1334
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:12,300
don't slap a guy across the face with a glove, because if you do that,

1335
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:16,100
that's what he'll think unless you're a nobleman or something in the 19th century,

1336
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:18,100
which I'm not.

1337
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:24,000
I do. If I'm being serious, one of my favorite scenes is early on when he's like

1338
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,700
when we first meet his dad and his dad's like in the doctor's office

1339
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:29,500
and ask him to go get a newspaper and then just the thing felt like

1340
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:32,200
he gave Shelley all his cash.

1341
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:33,800
He had a dollar and a quarter.

1342
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,600
Like the thing closes too soon.

1343
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,100
So he tries to get change, can't get change.

1344
01:07:37,100 --> 01:07:40,100
So he does all the things to like give his father what he wants.

1345
01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:43,100
And it just doesn't kind of just a series of events happen.

1346
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,200
And when his dad comes out, he has the coffee that cost him five more cents

1347
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,100
than he thought.

1348
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:50,500
And his dad just like wears the newspaper.

1349
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:51,900
It's like, oh, I couldn't afford it.

1350
01:07:51,900 --> 01:07:53,700
But you could afford coffee. It's like.

1351
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:55,300
Yes.

1352
01:07:55,300 --> 01:07:57,800
It's like you should carry more than a dollar. Just like, oh,

1353
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,200
that's just it should carry more than a dollar, David.

1354
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,500
It just like just all that stuff sucks so much.

1355
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:07,600
But it's such a great little microcosm of what the rest of this movie is going to be.

1356
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,400
Him getting told three times that he needs to carry money

1357
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,000
because he's an adult is so good, but especially when Shelley.

1358
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,900
Yeah, exactly. You need more than a dollar, dad.

1359
01:08:19,300 --> 01:08:22,700
There was only a dollar in the you should carry more money.

1360
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:28,700
It's just the best lecture, especially now in a time when nobody carries money.

1361
01:08:28,700 --> 01:08:29,740
That was the weirdest thing.

1362
01:08:29,740 --> 01:08:33,400
The first time I watched this movie being like living in a largely cashless society.

1363
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:37,100
Now it's just like, oh, yeah, money used to bring money. Yeah.

1364
01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:40,140
Can I get having no change?

1365
01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:42,800
Getting change for things. Yeah, that used to be a thing.

1366
01:08:43,940 --> 01:08:46,800
And that guy that fucking get at the Arby's

1367
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,000
was just like this 72 cents plus the whole thing.

1368
01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:57,740
But you little fuck, you don't get to charge me eight cents for fucking nothing.

1369
01:08:57,740 --> 01:09:00,140
You were getting Arby's.

1370
01:09:00,140 --> 01:09:02,040
Can I get change? Not really.

1371
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,740
What a piece of shit.

1372
01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:12,940
The book and the book ends on the movie of the guys asking for his autograph.

1373
01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:16,300
The first guy in the DMV and the last guy.

1374
01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:21,740
And this is something that really hit me on my second watch through this time is,

1375
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,840
you know, he comes out of the DMV scene saying, oh, people, you know,

1376
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,140
ask for my sometimes people recognize me, sometimes they're assholes.

1377
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:36,100
But like the dude wasn't being an asshole until he started being an asshole in that scene.

1378
01:09:36,540 --> 01:09:40,100
And it's and down at the end of it, the exact same thing.

1379
01:09:40,100 --> 01:09:43,940
All he does is ask for his autograph and he has a perfectly nice interaction with this dude.

1380
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,640
And it's such a perfect little book end of like

1381
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:51,140
he starts the movie as the kind of guy who creates his own misery.

1382
01:09:51,580 --> 01:09:54,500
And by the end of the movie, he's figured out how to not do that.

1383
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:58,360
And it's it's such a powerful little book end there.

1384
01:09:58,360 --> 01:09:59,660
I love it. I love it.

1385
01:09:59,660 --> 01:10:01,160
Two Dick money will do that to you.

1386
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,260
True enough. Yeah, that's a serious growth to take growth.

1387
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,860
To take money buys a lot of growth growth.

1388
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,800
Hey, to take money is hard to come by. So fuck.

1389
01:10:18,460 --> 01:10:20,160
I got hard and come in that.

1390
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:21,520
I know that's impressed.

1391
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,760
Like I am kind of mad that I didn't do that.

1392
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:30,860
Yeah, this I fucking love this movie.

1393
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,000
It's so well written.

1394
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:34,120
So it's a ride.

1395
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:39,400
The real question now, why does this film deserve to go forward in the bracket?

1396
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,320
Particularly knowing what it's up against.

1397
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,560
Yeah, I like I said, this is this is a tough one because

1398
01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:50,120
like when when Nick originally contacted me about this, he was like,

1399
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,260
oh, here's here's the movies that are still available.

1400
01:10:52,260 --> 01:10:55,060
We need somebody to talk about it. I was like, Weatherman done.

1401
01:10:55,460 --> 01:10:56,800
And I was thinking about it later.

1402
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,700
I was like kind of comparing it in my brain and I was like, OK,

1403
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:02,100
Weatherman against this, against this, against this.

1404
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:04,300
All right. As long as it's not up against Raising Arizona,

1405
01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:06,000
I think it'll be a cakewalk.

1406
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,520
And now it's up against Raising Arizona.

1407
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:08,420
So this is tough for me.

1408
01:11:08,420 --> 01:11:10,800
But I will say this.

1409
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:16,120
I think that The Weatherman is a very, very expertly made movie.

1410
01:11:16,620 --> 01:11:21,900
It's got a lot of very skilled craftsmen behind it

1411
01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:26,860
who are like at the peak of their careers or have been veterans in their career.

1412
01:11:27,660 --> 01:11:29,920
Raising Arizona, while it has

1413
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:35,100
just balls to the wall imagination, the Coens, I think, are still kind of

1414
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:37,560
finding their voice and finding their style.

1415
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:44,400
It's not quite as assured when you get down to the nitty gritty of the filmmaking.

1416
01:11:45,660 --> 01:11:49,160
One of the things that really popped this out for me was in The Weatherman,

1417
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:53,100
when they do the there's a flashback, it's right after.

1418
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,900
Well, the tartar sauce is the beginning of the flashback.

1419
01:11:56,300 --> 01:12:00,460
And then they jump like halfway forward to a conversation with his dad

1420
01:12:00,460 --> 01:12:04,160
where he's telling him he's going to leave and then back to the present.

1421
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,600
And it feels completely seamless.

1422
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,920
But if you sit down and try and figure out how to do that,

1423
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,960
it's not an easy thing to do, but they do it with editing

1424
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,020
and the way they do the sound editing around it.

1425
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:17,600
It's great. It's brilliantly done.

1426
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,920
It's those small things that you don't notice unless you're looking

1427
01:12:20,060 --> 01:12:21,760
unless you're looking for them.

1428
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,800
And Raising Arizona doesn't have much of that.

1429
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:31,520
It's it's a much lower budget film for one, which I'm not saying to be against it.

1430
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,720
They just didn't have the same kind of resources.

1431
01:12:35,300 --> 01:12:40,560
And there's still it's a very guerrilla style film,

1432
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,520
which limits the amount of things they can do with it.

1433
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,940
And I think because Weatherman had more resources

1434
01:12:48,340 --> 01:12:53,140
and because the people making it had more just experience under their belt,

1435
01:12:53,140 --> 01:12:55,640
they were able to make a much more polished finished product.

1436
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,440
I agree. Yeah.

1437
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:01,280
Yeah. Yes. Well, put.

1438
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:02,440
Yes. Exactly.

1439
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:04,780
Just give the Nick. Yes. At the end. Yeah.

1440
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:10,280
So there have been far fewer edibles involved in today's recording.

1441
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:15,880
And so I can give you more than just yes. Yes, please.

1442
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,540
But yeah, that that and I mean, what we were talking about earlier with

1443
01:13:20,540 --> 01:13:24,440
if if you're looking at this through the lens of what is the best Nick Cage movie,

1444
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,620
the fact that this was such like a pinpoint accurate movie

1445
01:13:28,620 --> 01:13:31,720
for him at this time in his life is.

1446
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,880
I think through that lens, this one's got to take it.

1447
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:39,220
OK. Yeah. I mean, I mean, we're going to get into all of that here.

1448
01:13:39,220 --> 01:13:41,680
And we're going to get all into all that here shortly.

1449
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,780
Just I can't tell you you're right or wrong.

1450
01:13:43,780 --> 01:13:46,220
I still need to go have a two day moment in the bathroom

1451
01:13:46,220 --> 01:13:49,280
before I fully realize what's going on.

1452
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,640
Fully realize case closed.

1453
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,780
You're under the prosecution rests.

1454
01:13:56,780 --> 01:13:57,640
Yeah, exactly.

1455
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,680
Actually, Sean, why don't you have one of those mirrors that I could like

1456
01:14:01,380 --> 01:14:05,880
open up in like a trifecta that makes it look like I have three dicks

1457
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,080
when I look at my reflection?

1458
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,280
That's a failing.

1459
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,340
Yeah, you need to.

1460
01:14:10,340 --> 01:14:11,340
That's a moral fail.

1461
01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:15,140
Your new place better have that three dick energy.

1462
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,220
Do you really want the hollow illusion of the three dick energy, though?

1463
01:14:19,220 --> 01:14:22,120
I mean, that's just going to let you down when you try and put it into practice.

1464
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,720
I'll just take like concept photos so that when I get

1465
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:32,880
what has human centipede for started up, once I get my script down for that,

1466
01:14:33,180 --> 01:14:35,220
you put it in the pitch deck.

1467
01:14:35,220 --> 01:14:39,040
Yeah, it'll be three dick energy like the last person in the chain.

1468
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,220
It's like, yeah, you're the last person in the chamber.

1469
01:14:41,220 --> 01:14:44,720
I'm going to give you three dicks and I'm going to ask myself

1470
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:47,380
so that nobody else has to go through that.

1471
01:14:47,380 --> 01:14:51,380
I think I'm really locking down what makes this film really good for me.

1472
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:52,780
Absolutely.

1473
01:14:52,780 --> 01:14:55,940
So moving forward, we know human centipede for

1474
01:14:56,780 --> 01:14:58,080
four for forward.

1475
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,120
Always, always ahead.

1476
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,140
And then maybe raising Arizona, maybe maybe the weatherman.

1477
01:15:03,140 --> 01:15:04,880
Hmm. We'll find out.

1478
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,100
Yeah, there you go.

1479
01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:08,700
Can't wait to get Nicolas Cage and human centipede for.

1480
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,980
That's everybody. That's every man.

1481
01:15:12,980 --> 01:15:15,640
I mean, he doesn't say no to a lot. I got to say.

1482
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,400
Well, he's getting choosy with his roles.

1483
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,040
He's going to take powerful ones that give him the opportunity

1484
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,440
to really express himself like he's never been able to.

1485
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:28,480
Spider-Man like Spider-Man and human centipede for and human centipede for. Yeah.

1486
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:31,840
Yeah. So just a bug movies.

1487
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,940
Yeah. All right, Alec, thank you for being here.

1488
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,640
Do you have anything that you would like to plug?

1489
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,740
Hey, thanks for having me.

1490
01:15:39,740 --> 01:15:41,740
No, I got nothing to plug right now.

1491
01:15:41,740 --> 01:15:44,080
Just keep listening to this podcast.

1492
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,640
I will be because I want to be there when Weatherman emerges victorious

1493
01:15:48,820 --> 01:15:50,880
as the ultimate Nicolas Cage movie.

1494
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:55,340
I think you're the first person to ever plug our podcast on our podcast.

1495
01:15:55,340 --> 01:15:56,820
We don't even do that. Yeah, I know.

1496
01:15:56,820 --> 01:15:59,940
It's bad. Hey, I just work on that level, man.

1497
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,740
Hey, so for anybody who made it to the end of this episode,

1498
01:16:04,740 --> 01:16:06,980
definitely keep listening to us.

1499
01:16:06,980 --> 01:16:09,380
Yeah. Also, like and subscribe.

1500
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,880
Yeah, sure. Yeah, I think those are things.

1501
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:16,020
Oh, we haven't told people to drop down in the basement for the comments section lately.

1502
01:16:16,020 --> 01:16:18,720
Sure. We can get there later in our next section. Oh, yeah. OK.

1503
01:16:19,940 --> 01:16:21,980
Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me on. It's a blast.

1504
01:16:21,980 --> 01:16:24,180
Well, fuck, that was pretty good. Yeah.

1505
01:16:24,180 --> 01:16:27,980
That was a two terrific conversations and one terrific guest.

1506
01:16:29,980 --> 01:16:32,020
You know, I'm here every week.

1507
01:16:32,020 --> 01:16:33,580
What are you talking about?

1508
01:16:33,580 --> 01:16:35,980
Well, let the listeners decide. Right. Right.

1509
01:16:37,580 --> 01:16:41,680
Going into this week, I was prepping to watch Red Rock West

1510
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:46,780
and National Treasure because my life's been crazy and I forgot we switched things on.

1511
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:48,980
It was on the schedule. You are correct.

1512
01:16:48,980 --> 01:16:52,780
To be fair, we got a whole lot better watching these two films.

1513
01:16:52,780 --> 01:16:56,180
Yes, I was I was fully ready to come in and just be like Red Rock West.

1514
01:16:56,180 --> 01:16:59,020
West slaps. I mean, I'm looking forward to watching it.

1515
01:16:59,020 --> 01:17:00,980
And Peter's like, we're not watching that. I'm like, well.

1516
01:17:00,980 --> 01:17:04,980
And so this morning, you will get a mainline to Nicholas Cage films.

1517
01:17:04,980 --> 01:17:05,980
Yeah, we go.

1518
01:17:06,780 --> 01:17:07,980
Call up cocaine, Carl.

1519
01:17:07,980 --> 01:17:11,680
If there was a shout out, cocaine, Carl, what's up, dog?

1520
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:14,780
Best in the West.

1521
01:17:14,780 --> 01:17:16,280
I'm working on my sponsorship.

1522
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,180
I like it. Yeah, that's good. So can Carl pay us for this?

1523
01:17:19,180 --> 01:17:21,680
Probably. All right.

1524
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,180
Cocaine, Carl doesn't fucking know my name.

1525
01:17:24,180 --> 01:17:26,480
That's how little this is going to get us.

1526
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:31,280
I've been so just happy these last like two weeks, just being like,

1527
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:36,880
I'm going to watch fucking Weatherman and then I'm going to watch Raising Arizona.

1528
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,980
And I want the other way with it.

1529
01:17:38,980 --> 01:17:42,880
Well, yeah, I did it the other way to Josie was just like, oh, what do you want to do?

1530
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,380
Like tonight is like, oh, how about we watch a movie?

1531
01:17:46,380 --> 01:17:48,580
She's like, what movie is it? Movies are we watching?

1532
01:17:48,580 --> 01:17:51,180
It's like we only got good ones left.

1533
01:17:51,180 --> 01:17:54,380
Yeah, I was just going to say we're at that point now where really every

1534
01:17:54,380 --> 01:17:58,880
I'm so excited to rewatch every movie except one movie I do love.

1535
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,380
But I'm like, I can tell you would be for Pete at this point.

1536
01:18:03,380 --> 01:18:06,580
Conair. No, that doesn't matter.

1537
01:18:06,580 --> 01:18:08,880
We're done with eight millimeter.

1538
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:10,880
Is that how you do it?

1539
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,880
That's how you pronounce it. Right. Yeah. I've only read it.

1540
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,880
Eight millimeter. This is America.

1541
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,880
I don't need to know how to millimeter.

1542
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:20,880
Now, national treasure.

1543
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:25,380
I'm just like, I love this movie, but it just it I love individual scenes

1544
01:18:25,380 --> 01:18:26,380
more than I love the movie.

1545
01:18:26,380 --> 01:18:28,880
It never deserved to beat Primal.

1546
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,880
It always deserved to be primal.

1547
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,380
Have you watched Primal recently?

1548
01:18:32,380 --> 01:18:33,880
I'll tell you, it's great.

1549
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,380
I'm going to get down. So I'm going to get down to Portland.

1550
01:18:36,380 --> 01:18:37,880
I'll have nothing to do.

1551
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,380
Like nothing like unpacked on this part primal and I'll just get like sucked in.

1552
01:18:41,380 --> 01:18:43,880
You know, like, oh, my God, this is incredible.

1553
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,380
I can never let Nick know.

1554
01:18:45,380 --> 01:18:49,380
I do think that once we finish the bracket, the first thing that we need to do

1555
01:18:49,380 --> 01:18:57,380
is a double header, but of Primal and adaptation, the Primal adaptation had had.

1556
01:18:58,380 --> 01:19:00,380
I think it's the only thing we talked about.

1557
01:19:00,380 --> 01:19:03,380
Those two movies being eliminated more than any other.

1558
01:19:03,380 --> 01:19:07,880
There's one of them deserves to be here now. Primal.

1559
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:09,880
Boom. First episode.

1560
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,880
All right. We're not reviewing these movies.

1561
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:12,880
Come back next week for that.

1562
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,880
We're going to talk about adaptation of Primal.

1563
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,880
Yeah, we're going to release all this audio with no resolution.

1564
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,880
And we're only going to come back and talk about Primal and ignore this ever happened.

1565
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:23,880
Beautiful.

1566
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:25,880
Great.

1567
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,880
He named the parent Edison.

1568
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:29,880
I love it.

1569
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:31,880
Oh, man. What are we doing here again, Peter?

1570
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,880
We're trying to make a decision here. I don't know.

1571
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:35,880
We're putting off the inevitable.

1572
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:37,880
It's I don't want to put.

1573
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:39,880
Yeah, I don't want to put either one of these movies out to pasture.

1574
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:40,880
It's a tough one, actually.

1575
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:46,880
Like going into this, I was really feeling like Raising Arizona was just a complete slam dunk.

1576
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,880
So funny. The writing is incredible.

1577
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,880
Talking to Alec, though, I'm like, man, Weatherman is really good.

1578
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:53,880
Yeah, I like that.

1579
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:54,880
I like that.

1580
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:55,880
I like that.

1581
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:56,880
I like that.

1582
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,880
Man, Weatherman is really good.

1583
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:04,880
Alec made some real intelligent conversation, something we don't get around here very often.

1584
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,880
And we actually like generally this this way this way.

1585
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:10,880
Yeah.

1586
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,880
Discourage like big words that aren't on this podcast.

1587
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:20,880
Yeah, I am glad that we had a good two, even three penis discussion with Alec.

1588
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:21,880
That's a plus.

1589
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,880
All those penises add weight to his argument.

1590
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,880
It's not much, but it's an ounce here and there.

1591
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:34,880
I think the biggest argument I have for adaptation at this point is the fucking talking about

1592
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,880
Weatherman. Sorry.

1593
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:47,880
The biggest argument I have for Weatherman at this point is the fact that like in terms of just acting and just the movie being made by Nicholas Cage and like just a Nicholas Cage vehicle adaptation.

1594
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:49,880
God damn it.

1595
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:51,880
Weatherman.

1596
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,880
There's a time in my I watch these both both these movies at the same time, like in my life when I was younger.

1597
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:56,880
So I just it's.

1598
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:58,880
Yeah, I mean, they came out around the same time.

1599
01:20:58,880 --> 01:20:59,880
Weatherman.

1600
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:03,880
But like Raising Arizona, great Coen Brothers film, great ensemble film.

1601
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,880
Everyone in that movie is perfect.

1602
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,880
But as we talked about, Nicholas Cage is kind of the straight man for that.

1603
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:11,880
Whereas adaptation.

1604
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:12,880
God damn it.

1605
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:13,880
Weatherman.

1606
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:19,880
Weatherman is a Nicholas Cage movie that really works because of him.

1607
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:27,880
Yeah, it really it really well highlights his skills as an actor, as well as just his intuition.

1608
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,880
And, you know, he's in damn near every scene.

1609
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:31,880
It's his film.

1610
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:38,880
There is a it is and it is an interesting juxtaposition to watch Raising Arizona with the weatherman.

1611
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,880
You mean primal.

1612
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:42,880
Stop it.

1613
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:47,880
My brain is already teetering on usable.

1614
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,880
Perfect.

1615
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,880
Yes, Raising Arizona, please go on.

1616
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:57,880
It's just like it's so interesting to see like that very young, raw, like just young and raw.

1617
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,880
Go ahead.

1618
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:01,880
Performance.

1619
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,880
And it's very silly and not really.

1620
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:10,880
And as opposed to like this very deep, complicated, real performance.

1621
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:21,880
Yeah, it is. It's one of those films that I'm always going it's always going to exist up in my brain as top tier Nicholas Cage film.

1622
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:23,880
There's a reason it's made it this far.

1623
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:24,880
It's a terrific movie.

1624
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:31,880
Everything about it, writing, acting, nailed it to pitch Raising Arizona.

1625
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,880
There's nothing else like it.

1626
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:40,880
No. So I guess the question really comes down to I would say Raising Arizona is the better, more fun film.

1627
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,880
I would say Weatherman is the better Nicholas Cage film.

1628
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:55,880
You know, I might say that if I was going to pitch these to somebody, I would like if somebody wasn't familiar with Nicholas Cage, I would be like, hey, watch Raising Arizona.

1629
01:22:55,880 --> 01:23:00,880
When you understand Nicholas Cage's filmography, watch Weatherman.

1630
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:09,880
OK, that's an interesting take on this, because, yeah, I would not suggest Weatherman for someone who didn't quite wasn't really that invested in Nick Cage.

1631
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:16,880
Yeah, it wouldn't hold if you weren't as familiar with the Cage verse, but it is a terrific film.

1632
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:27,880
I mean, they're both terrific films. And, you know, we've said a lot about Nicholas Cage is he he is the man for the weatherman.

1633
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,880
He is the weatherman. He says so at the end of the movie.

1634
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,880
Well, spoilers.

1635
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:43,880
But with a film like Raising Arizona, it's just so much of like unique performance wildness.

1636
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,880
No, I think you've convinced me on on that.

1637
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,880
Like when recommending a Nicholas Cage film to someone who isn't familiar with Nicholas Cage.

1638
01:23:51,880 --> 01:24:00,880
Yeah, I wouldn't suggest Weatherman over Raising Arizona. So by that logic, I would say Raising Arizona should go forward in terms of like a Nick Cage film.

1639
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:07,880
Yeah, I think my vote is as much as I love Weatherman for Raising Arizona.

1640
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:14,880
Oh, fucking nailed it, dude.

1641
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:26,880
All right, next.

1642
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,880
Nice. Oh, man. Thank you all for listening.

1643
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:36,880
We are on social media at Cage underscore match underscore pod. We are also on Patreon at Cage match pod.

1644
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:47,880
Thank you to our Sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam and Bill and to our Cage dancers, I would Freeman Lance, Nathan and Cameron.

1645
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:52,880
Did you leave? No. And maybe.

1646
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:58,880
I don't know. You did say I'll find out. I'll find out if I if we weren't clear.

1647
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,880
Raising Arizona. Yes. No, I thought that was clear. Yeah, it was clear.

1648
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:10,880
Yeah. Bye bye.

1649
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,880
Bye bye.

1650
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,880
Doesn't sound like Adam. No, it really doesn't. Yeah.

1651
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,880
This was early, early in the times. Yeah.

1652
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:22,880
He knew you were safe. I'm a safe.

1653
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:33,880
My first my earliest Adam memory is when there were only five of us allowed on the patio during covid times and Adam was asking what everyone's favorite candy bar was.

1654
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,880
And I said three musketeer and he got livid.

1655
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,880
Because it's a bad. He started screaming.

1656
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,880
I like nougat and I don't need caramel to like judge it up.

1657
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,880
So Milky Way is. Yeah, they're also bad.

1658
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:53,880
I just like nougat.