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What you are listening to is real. The participants are not actors. They are real people with a case pending in Podcast Court.

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Hello, I'm Producer Peter and welcome back to Cage Match, a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage, Podcast Court.

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Today we'll hear arguments for a deadbeat dad with a true love of personal freedom and a cop with no authority who wants to know how to get burned.

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Oh, God.

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Oh, my God.

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I mean, I'm surprised after two years of this, more than two years, that outside of the time your house got broken into, we've never lost an episode due to just poor recording like practices.

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Yeah, that's true, which is kind of amazing. I mean, we so we lost that one. We've never missed a release, which is also kind of wild because we absolutely should have some good stats.

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Yeah. I mean, you've been doing this for fucking forever. Have you? How are your stats?

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All right. They're not too bad. The only I think the only time we've had a bit of a blunder is me and Petros did a sort of a Patreon first thoughts episode on Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.

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And then the second we finished recording Petros immediately accidentally deleted his half of the recording. So we had to do it again.

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I bet the jokes about it the second time.

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I hope so.

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Did you record the whole thing again or did you just play back your end and let him react?

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Yeah, live reactions by all accounts. I made him grovel, but we recorded the whole thing again.

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Oh, that's a nice idea.

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But you'd never know. We found it to be perfectly fine.

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Yeah, that was my takeaway.

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Yeah, I've heard either like it's OK or real love. So I don't know. Yeah.

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Hey, OK and up is still pretty decent. Yeah, turn us.

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I've never gotten that kind of review on myself.

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The self love starts from within.

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So are we talking like one knuckle, two knuckles? How far within?

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What if it was comfortable at start and you got to work from there, you know?

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Oh, don't press it. OK, I feel you. Right. That's nice.

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Well, welcome back, Darrell.

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It feels like it's been too long and somehow feels like it's been no time at all.

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Yeah, exactly. You miss spider season, though.

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No, it's happening right now. Well, there's a there's a big boy like right at the bottom of my stairs.

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Yeah, I haven't gotten them in my face.

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No, they've been keeping they've been staying out of the walkway this year so far.

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Cowards. Yeah. Or we are planning.

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Sean, with you moving and this being your last spider season here, I'm absolutely going to bring spiders into your house.

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You're not allowed in my house anymore. Spider boxes.

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Definitely bringing spiders. Why would you do that? We're friends. For now.

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We still have to finish this podcast. Yeah, but not like next to each other.

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Don't bring spiders into my house. You're not my dad.

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The friends of the spiders we made along the way. No, they're not.

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OK, I won't bring spiders into your house.

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I'll put some in your car and you can take them to Portland.

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Then Portland can have spider season. Yeah. Portland does have spider season.

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Yeah. I mean, you're not that dissimilar from here. Yeah, their spiders suck, though.

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They do. They've got like the bad spiders. Yeah.

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We've got like benign big house spiders. Helpful spiders. Yeah.

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Bug eaters. They've got like people biters.

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I was in Portland once for a Road City Comic Con and a spider touched my peen.

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OK, I need to hear about that.

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I was very exhausted. Flew from Virginia to Portland.

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My bag got lost, which had all my stuff for the continent.

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And I was staying in my at a friend's house, which wasn't like the most savory part of town.

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So I'm waiting for my bag to show up.

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And the guy's like, yeah, I'm just doing rounds.

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I'll be, you know, getting there in a couple hours.

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I'm like, cool. So naturally you get your hog out.

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Yeah. Were you like bored and trying to clear cobwebs or something?

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You know, just knock them down. I'm just trying to stay up.

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Waiting for the fucking guy to show up with my bag.

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Three hours go by. You got to keep it up while you wait.

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Three hours go by. I call him and like, where the fuck are you?

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And he's like, oh, I just have one more one more delivery in Portland, but it's in southeast.

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And I got to head two hours north first.

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And I'm like, yeah, who do you think that last delivery is, motherfucker?

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So I can't sleep till my bag gets there. Otherwise, I can't do the convention.

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So I'm just I'm at about 26 hours of not sleeping.

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I go into the bathroom and I get my dick out to pee.

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And I'm just standing there like woozy.

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And I like open my grubby ass eyes and there's a spider just dangling in front of my face.

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I like instinctively like swipe and I feel something bounce off my deck.

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I want to I want to scramble a scramble spider.

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Yeah, I wanted a spider to like just kind of reach out like Arcadian style and just like brush the head.

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Use its head of health. Yeah.

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Eight arms reach out from the dogmas and fucking crank you.

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That actually probably wouldn't be too bad.

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So much stimulation. Oh, yeah. There you go.

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You guys been reading my dream journals again.

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So welcome back to cage and apparently scanning them and emailing them to Darrell.

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I see why you send them to Darrell. The spider had the face of Willem Dafoe.

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We've got a whole separate group chat with all of our guests on it.

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We just don't invite me. Yeah, that's fair.

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Rip into your weird sex shit.

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I mean, you guys, there is there are there is the cage match like fan chat that I do not engage with whatsoever.

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Mm hmm. Yeah, it's good shit in there because they're beneath me.

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Oh, yeah, I'm definitely leaving that in.

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I love you, John and Freeman.

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You're the two people in a group chat. Yeah.

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The ones who actually engage. Is there anyone else in that chat? Cameron's in there.

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Hi, Cameron. I appreciate you, too.

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Welcome back to cage magical and around about way meeting Nicholas Cage.

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I'm your host, Sean, here with Nick, your co-host.

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Oh, perfect. Fine. Nick.

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And our producer, Peter. Hello.

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And again, our special guest, Darrell from cage something.

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Yeah, three times.

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I wouldn't expect you to remember on the third time.

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Why would you? Hello, I'm back.

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I'm from cage rage and Nick, this cage podcast.

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And I'm also from getting to foe you a dedicated to foe podcast covering the works of Nicholas Cage and Willem Dafoe respectively.

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There may or may not be hog chat more in one than the other.

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So we're all in good company in hog chat today.

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Darrell, I hope you don't mind, but I've tagged you as part of our episodes on IMDB, which I still think is hilarious that we can be on IMDB.

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I did wonder why I was showing up on IMDB. And now this all makes sense.

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We can just add people to IMDB.

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I mean, IMDB is a lot like Wikipedia where kind of anything goes and then they audit it eventually.

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No, sick. It's a wild, wild west. You guys want to be in some movies?

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I'm going to start some wild, wild west.

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Flat Earth or IMDB shit. Good. Yeah, I like that.

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Lots of trivia about movies. Do you know the world is flat?

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The core. There is no core. Look at the film.

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Who was recording it? Oh, God.

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And you start making like one of the flat earthers going to start like making like flatters films kind of like, you know, left behind.

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But like for flatters. Oh, yeah. Like we're going to go to the edge to the ice wall.

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Yeah. What's the opposite of left behind right here?

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You just can't. There's just no slopes and it's never addressed.

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No inclines, no slopes, flat filmmaking.

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Easy walking. I mean, that would make biking a lot easier and boring.

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Can you imagine just biking all the time and always having to pedal, never getting to just roll down a hill?

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Yeah, that's no fun. Put your arms up like it's a roller coaster.

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You can't do that anymore. No, not on flat ground.

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Flat's boring. Yeah.

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Can you imagine celebrating riding on flat ground?

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Yay, I'm having so much fun.

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But I went fast for a bit and now I'm just going to raise my arms.

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I'm not into it. No, that's boring.

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You could be the Renegade who invented the ramp and then you would try to The Hague.

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So, Darrell, did you feel more connected to us watching The Wicker Man because it takes place in our area?

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In the Puget Sound. Is that correct?

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This is you are basically Wicker Man adjacent. We are.

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Yes, exactly. I mean, of course, it was recorded in Vancouver, Canada, but you know, which is north of here.

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Yeah, it's also Seattle adjacent. Yeah.

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So on this podcast, we take 64 Nicolas Cage films,

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Bracken them up Final Four style and we'll eventually whittle them down to what is the cagiest film of all as decided by Nick and me.

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I'm just giving it Peter more work to edit this so it makes sense.

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I don't care. You've really let this podcast go downhill.

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The edits get looser and looser.

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Flat ground all the way.

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Oh yeah, we can't talk about hills anymore. I'm not going to do this with my arms because I'm not having fun.

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Listen, if you want to introduce what the podcast is halfway through, then that's your prerogative.

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I don't know how to run your own podcast.

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Thank you, Daryl. You understand.

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I get it. There's no rules. No rules on flat ground, baby.

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You just see from ever.

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If it weren't for trees, we could probably see Daryl.

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Get a big telescope, get the right angle.

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Let's get rid of all the inclines, the declines, the slopes, the mounds.

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I could do with less mounds. I have no time for a mound.

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And Italy. Fuck that.

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And one of us could be a rapper called Flatman Scoop.

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I'm just saying there's great potential for flat merchandise.

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Oh, we could have our own signature set of flatware.

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Exactly. Now you're starting to get it.

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I love it. I'm in. I love marketing.

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Untapped potential. All drinks would have to be flat tires, flat. Very, very literal.

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Uncarbonated beer across the board. Fantastic.

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The Brits really went out on that one. They get their way.

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We went to war over this. We won.

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You can keep your flat, your flat country, country as flat as my goddamn ass.

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You can keep it. So the Wicker Man.

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So Wicker Man. That's what we're here to talk about.

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Daryl, you've seen The Wicker Man before. How many times have you seen this movie, do you think?

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I feel like four or five.

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I feel like I see it the way most of us see it, and that's through Nicolas Cage compilation clips.

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That's the only way to see it. So obviously we'll get into it.

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It sets up like it's going to be this big crazy thing.

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And for like 80 percent of it, it's really not. It's just actually quite boring.

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An interesting story about The Wicker Man for me is when I was at university.

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Is it University of America? Could you call it college? You have like five stages of everything.

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We call it a waste of time.

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Hey, for future Americans.

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For future dead. I went to art college, so I'm doing great.

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Extra future dead. Yeah.

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Actually, me doing a Nicolas Cage podcast makes a lot more sense right now.

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Yes, it does. But anyway, yes, university.

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All flat roads would lead here.

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So there was, you know, like a long story short, like a friend of mine that's in The Wicker Man.

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We'd all sourced in The Wicker Man.

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And it was known that I was the Nick Cage guy in like our friend group.

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And then some thing happened to me and my friend had like a falling out.

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He was the year above me.

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So he's been to his final year stuff, dissertations, all this kind of business.

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But as an apology gesture, he went on his his his Mac book.

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He took the Wicker Man film and somehow edited it down to his only Nicolas Cage's scenes,

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And I said, you can never hurt me again.

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This is the greatest gift I've ever received.

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And then he punched you like Sister Beach.

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And then he pushed me into a wall of picture frames.

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I got all caught up when he ran off in a bear costume.

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But if you think The Wicker Man of its own accord or 100 minutes is pretty wild,

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you haven't seen the Nicolas Cage only cut.

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It makes less and more sense.

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I don't know. I'd have to ask if he still has it because in various house moves,

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like I've unfortunately lost the disk, which I'm still absolutely devastated about over the course of the last 10 or so years.

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But the memory remains is the main thing.

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And I remember just going from it's like a lot of it is the embodiment of a fever dream.

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And I really recommend someone makes a Nick Cage only cut of all of his films.

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Peter, this might be my magnum opus.

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We'll see. I was put on this earth for some good.

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Now's your time, coward.

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Let's do this. Seize life by those big flat balls.

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Yeah, no one's talking about girth anymore. It's all about that flat hog, baby.

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Flat and wide.

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It's all about that 16 pixel flat fucking Gallagher dick.

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Whatever do you want?

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But to answer your question, yes, I have seen The Wicker Man.

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I think I watched it earlier.

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It was my partner's first time watching it as well, so she had some thoughts.

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It was interesting. All of them fantastic.

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The opening credits to see fucking Papyrus in the credits.

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She was on points.

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She was like, this is the enemy of the designer.

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And she on principle didn't watch like the first 10 minutes, which I get it.

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I respect it. We've all we all have our lines in the sand.

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To be fair, the first 10 minutes of this movie do not matter.

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No, they're pretty inconsequential.

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OK, one thing I do want to talk about in the first like 10, 20 minutes.

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So I think we hit on this in the first time we talked about this movie.

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His cop friend, not Pete, but the lady cop.

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Yeah. Is she on the island at the end?

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There's like this big reveal where one lady takes off a mask and it's like a tall blonde lady.

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And I'm like, is that the same fucking person?

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No, it was either Sister Beach or Lili.

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So it was neither. I just watched it this morning.

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It was neither of them. It is.

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I just I'm telling you, it's a different clip because after that clip is when it's

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Sister Beach and Lili Sobieski.

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I'm going to turn this movie on right now.

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We're going to walk Darryl over the screen. We're all going to all going to watch this.

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No, I just keep looking at it. I'm like, I think that's supposed to be her.

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And it's supposed to be this big reveal of like everyone's been in on it.

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But like they don't spend any time on it.

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And it isn't like she's a really remarkable looking person.

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I mean, they do say the letter did get there without a stamp and she did deliver the mail.

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She did. She seems like weirdly obsessed with him.

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For all of those two minutes, we see them together. Yes.

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And she was playing in blonde. She was playing in blonde.

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That's true. I wanted the twin thing to still be more back to twin sest again.

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Right. Yeah. OK. Did that make it into the final cut?

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Oh, yeah. Nice. You know about twin sest, right, Darryl?

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Yeah, you guys got the Internet, right?

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We're all looking at the same shit, right?

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We're all on the same VPN here, right?

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We're all sharing the same Internet history.

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Yeah, I don't believe in incognito because I'm very proud of everything I've ever searched.

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You know, you've got to have you've got to be smart by what you search.

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Some flat twin sest. Yes, please.

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Flat twin sest.

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The second flat tower has been struck. You're going to keep that in there, don't you?

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Nick doesn't believe in it, so we can keep it in.

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I mean, just just like a Paper Mario 9-11 image just hit me in the head.

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It was like, oh, it's beautiful.

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I mean, it's not beautiful, though.

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It's beautiful. Paper Mario is a great game.

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Paper Mario is a beautiful game.

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It is a beautiful game, you're right.

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The 9-11 ending was just wild.

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Kind of out of Westfield, but even when flat 9-11 happens, it's still a beautiful world.

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That's what happens when you like Koopas on airplanes.

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Yeah, I said it.

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I'm racist against turtles.

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I think to your point, though, is if that lady was the same person, I don't know,

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because he he does make a comment later of that.

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Is it like Sister Rose, the teacher is like, did I speak to you earlier?

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She's like, no, we've never met before.

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He's like, are you sure?

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So he does see people who may or may not be the same person.

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Well, that scene is right after he leaves the schoolhouse, I think,

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because that's why I want the twin thing to be like more relevant.

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Well, and also, I mean, because I'm sure they were like, it's too tricky to film two people

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who are the same person at the same time in a scene.

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So like they never tried with her.

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But like Sister Rose and Sister Thorne literally are never on screen together.

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Which ones are they? Are they that lady?

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That's the teacher, the teacher.

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And then like the bitchy lady that he runs into at some point.

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Well, I feel like Lili Sobieski, when he meets her in the tavern drink hall,

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then goes right outside and she chopped into wood like that's always been a weird cut to me as well.

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There's a lot of fucking red herrings in this movie that go nowhere.

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So I think I'm sure remember Sean, did we watch this together the last time?

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Yes. OK, so last time we watched it, I like had a really fun time with it for some reason.

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And then I watched it was my winning personality.

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Well, thanks. That's helped. That helps a lot.

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And then this time when I was watching, I was like, God, it's so boring for like a huge portion of this movie.

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There's like little funny goofy bits like the Is that a shark in the bag?

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You know, like that kind of dumb shit.

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You know, it helps to look at the picture.

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All that kind of stuff is really like these little snapshots of funny shit.

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But then the rest of it is like a very dull procedural until all of a sudden he's just running around the island like like a man who is definitely like 45.

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You know, yeah, I think two things would have really improved the movie.

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And it's like if there were more scenes of him riding the bicycle, like literally if he was a great every time he went from one location to another, you mandated the bicycle come out and he rides the bike.

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I love that dorky ass bike. Yeah.

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And then to put like some Benny Hill music under the bicycle scene.

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Like or some like just goofy be jazz. I love when he's done talking to summer's aisle the first time and she's like, you're transport.

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It's just that one dude like rolls the bike.

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I feel like this movie needed everyone who wasn't Nicholas Cage to try acting 20 percent harder or 20 percent less.

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There's just this. I mean, 20 percent harder.

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There's just this like milieu of like they don't care, but they care enough for a paycheck.

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And I need them to care a lot less or a lot more. Yeah.

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I think Nicholas Cage is the only person giving this film the acting it deserves.

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I think a lot of the blame on this is that like Neil LaBute, however you say his last name, obviously as a man and as a director and a writer does have the charisma of, oh, where vegetables.

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He's got just nothing about him. There's no sauce.

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Obviously, they've stripped away the whole, I guess, like religious kind of thing of the original one.

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Like what they've really done is they've said, Nicholas Cage, you come to an island of women and you're about to disrupt an entire community's thing by just being really rude, aggressive.

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And I don't know exactly how American laws work in the sense of crossing state lines. As far as I'm aware, he's not an inspector or a detective.

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He's just a guy on a motorbike on a highway who got a commendation for letting a girl explode.

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I don't know how that works. And then he's talking about himself to go to an island, insult everyone, ass all everyone.

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And really, even though, yes, he's been kind of bamboozled to go into the island, he is really the villain of the piece.

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And guess what he deserves?

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It really is the most effectively Americanized version of a movie ever.

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Like he just comes in, he's ignorant of the situation, he imposes himself on everybody, he assaults somebody, there's a gun involved and women were harmed generally.

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I'm going to fucking go home and eat some ribs. I like this so much.

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Ruins a way of life.

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Yeah, well, when he's saying, like, look, there's a missing girl on this island. I think you said it, Pete, it usually helps if you look at the photograph.

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Right off the bat, okay, you're not supposed to be here. You've crossed state lines. You have no authority.

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No authority.

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You have no power. There's nothing to suggest that he's got any kind of rank in the police force that he's with.

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He's a highway cop.

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He's just highway patrol.

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He's got speeding tickets. That's it.

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I do like when he's that little montage of him, like when he's giving people tickets, he goes to the long guy, he's like, you know, I pulled you over and the guy's just like, yeah.

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Yeah, I kind of liked at the start where he's pulled over with that mother in the door, she keeps throwing that doll out and then that truck plows into him from nowhere.

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Funny every single time.

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Absolutely.

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One thing I always enjoy is that like for the first time watching this, you never know when that truck's going to strike that little girl again. It's not over for her.

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Every time he's on, when he wakes up from the nightmare on the dock, I always just want a truck to just run him over real quick and then he wakes up again.

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Yeah, the double dream sequence.

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My favorite bit is that he's just sat on the dock and he's just had a daymare. He just drifted off. He's like, oh, so you're looking for a missing girl and he just stops to have...

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Just a small stop for a nap.

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You just stop for a horrifying thing, a nightmare in the day. You've had a daymare. You keep getting hit by the truck. When he was trying to get the girl out of that truck as well, he's smashing that rear windscreen with his helmet and he tries to prize it apart.

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He's like, take my hand. And she's just staring at him. So when she explodes, deserved. But at the same time, he was just going to pull a kid through shards of broken glass.

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It's safety glass. It's fine.

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That stuff don't cut.

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I don't know, is children's skin the weakest of skins?

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I mean, would you rather be mildly cut up or exploded?

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The kid obviously chose exploded.

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I wish she just gave him like double fingers and like right when it explodes, like fuck you.

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So I didn't realize it, but I wound up watching the unedited version.

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Oh, yeah, OK.

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The extreme version, which is the exact same movie.

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But you see the hobbling, don't you?

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You see the hobbling. Yeah.

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And then the B scene is actually in there, which looks terrible because CGI is a better.

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The only other difference is they cut the end.

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They cut like the ending of the girls hitting on James Franco.

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Franco and he was Dipper and Gravity Falls. Yes, he was.

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He's also the son of John Ritter, Jason Ritter. Jason.

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We got there. Yeah, nice.

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Good work. Way to use your brain.

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But I thought watching that when they do the whole beast thing, he goes into like anaphylactic shock or whatever shock it is.

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Anaphylactic. Yeah, that sounds right.

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But he like passes out. I'm like, this is actually kind of nicer that they like knock him out before like they burn him alive.

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And then the doctor like shoots him up with adrenaline.

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And EpiPen. Oh yeah, EpiPen.

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It's B. Epi. Yeah.

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I don't know why I thought adrenaline.

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But like an EpiPen and she's like, I'm going to keep you alive for the next part.

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And I'm like, oh, this is meaner now.

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I like how they load him into the chest cavity by like dragging him up from between the legs.

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So he hangs down like a little Nicholas Cage wiener for a minute.

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And then they load him in.

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It looked like the Wicker Man had a huge dong.

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Just the best dong.

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This is all I watch for.

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Oh, that could be a dong.

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Yeah, it's a shame that no one no one who was like participating in the crowd was like, who Wiccan they man right now?

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Just like a high five in each other whilst Cage is getting like just dragged by his lapels.

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They should have played like Nelly Furtado's I'm Like a Bird as he was getting dragged up.

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And I think that would have we need to make the ultimate cut of this film.

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I mean, it's been redone once.

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Let's do it again. Yeah.

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Now it's more bicycle. More bicycle flat.

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One hundred percent. Be the men.

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Be the people that you want to be that you would like to inspire.

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You know, the 2007 YouTube poop editors out there.

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I remember. I remember YouTube poop.

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I never forgot.

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I think one of the things about this movie is it seems like it tries really hard to be full of mystery,

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but literally none of the mysteries that they put out there ever pay out.

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Like there's no explanation of anything.

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You see the weird like bee stung dude in Summer's Isles house.

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You see that one lady getting, you know, like bees crawling all over her in a bee beard.

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It's like, what is the what is this for?

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Nothing. Nothing. It's for nothing.

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Why are there so many twins? I don't know.

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Doesn't matter. Don't ask questions.

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What's in the fucking bag? Is it a shark?

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It's like you just need nothing ever pays out.

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Like there's no explanation of anything.

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You know, why? Why does fucking Dr.

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Moss have like all these weird jars of deformed babies?

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Those are the boys. Are they?

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Well, probably if they had little boy parts, I'm assuming could have been bee stings.

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It's just a strange movie. It is.

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There are so many things that I'm like, oh, OK, you know, this could be

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the Shutter Island or something where it actually really does pay out.

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And it's like, no, no, you just don't find out.

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No. John would turn to me every once in a while.

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I'll be like, I'd be like, mm hmm.

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Yeah, with no real positive resolution or Cage's character,

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it doesn't feel like anything mattered.

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Like, OK, it's still going to be, you know, midsummer or whatever.

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It is kind of just shitty midsummer.

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Like the only thing that makes this movie palatable is just Nick Cage's

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Nick Cage hamming it up for the whole film.

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Him going into the classroom and like erasing all this stuff in that one little section

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and just writing Rowan, whatever on the board.

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Woodward Rowan Woodward.

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And then all the kids are like, we don't know her at all.

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Yeah, just running around ripping masks off kids.

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What about the fucking line through on her like ledger for her name?

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It's like good way to bury it. Yeah.

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But the like fucking crow in the desk still gets me.

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It's like, oh, and then the girls get them again later

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and with the girl pretending to be dead in the closet.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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You've never had a dead desk crow and it shows.

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You haven't lived.

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It's better than a spider bouncing off your dick.

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Well, yeah, spider crow, some horrible flat spider crow thing.

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But my partner is a teacher.

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When he went into that school and started rubbing all like the

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that one of the pros off the board, she was like,

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you just don't go into someone's classroom mid less than just wipe it all down.

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Just to scream at the children.

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I mean, you know, to be fair, they're all gaslighting him.

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It's a room full of gaslighters.

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And he he had more restraint in me.

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And I think I outright said this to my partners.

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I like I would have at least punched the twins because they were freaking me out.

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Oh, the old ones.

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All of them. Oh, young.

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Oh, yeah. You know, you know,

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you know, see the best part about twins, you just get to.

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Oh, yeah. Head bonk.

437
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You assume that they're two separate like parts of the same whole.

438
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000
So you're trying to put them back together.

439
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,000
The twin twin magic thing you punch one, the other one feels it.

440
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000
So, you know, it's twice the twice the payoff.

441
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,000
Have you ever watched the movie?

442
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,000
This is related.

443
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Have you ever watched the movie Sorceress, Old Sword and Sorcery?

444
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Like, no, I don't think I have lots of boobs.

445
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,000
So there's there's two characters.

446
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,000
They're twins. See, and they feel all the same things.

447
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000
One of them, like they just discover that they're girls.

448
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,000
They always assumed they were boys because their dad told them and never told them the difference.

449
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000
That's that's something.

450
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,000
But like when one of them realizes that they're a girl, they finally get laid.

451
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,000
And the other one is just like at camp.

452
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,000
And the dwarf is just standing there and she's just getting off on the ground and the dwarf watches.

453
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
And it's just really weird and creepy.

454
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000
So I've been watching a lot of sword and sorcery movies lately.

455
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,000
And the. Yeah.

456
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000
You got to get your twin says to fix.

457
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000
Yeah. You freak.

458
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,000
So this is going exactly how I expected a Darrell episode would go.

459
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
I won't let you have a standard conversation.

460
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
It's not in the contract to do. That's perfect.

461
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,000
Yeah. Your writers, it's going to go fucking crazy.

462
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,000
We're going to make it weird. There's going to be flat theories.

463
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,000
There's going to be flat nine eleven. There's going to be twin zest.

464
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000
It might be flat. That's not for me to say.

465
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000
I'm not doing myself.

466
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000
I don't dictate where the flat conversation goes all of the time.

467
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,000
I can tell you one thing. It's not going off an edge because they don't exist.

468
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,000
That's right. Wait a minute.

469
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,000
You're a plant. No edges exist.

470
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000
I get Thanos from existence.

471
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,000
It's just too risky. Black holes.

472
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000
We go back to our old episodes. It's just us talking to no one.

473
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,000
No one. Yeah, exactly. And our guests dare.

474
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Can you edit together like a package where it's you've actually been listening

475
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,000
back to all my episodes and I get hit by a truck in every single

476
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,000
I just put my black holes on over it like a turn to do the whole thing.

477
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,000
Seasons worth of payoff. So good.

478
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,000
I can't wait to go back and have Peter re edit all of our previous content.

479
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Absolutely. It's worth it for one joke.

480
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000
That's for the fine group. That's for the group, isn't it?

481
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Oh, yeah, exactly. They'll really appreciate it.

482
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,000
You get the long term. Yeah, John and Freeman.

483
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,000
And maybe Cameron.

484
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000
Cameron, the one I met outside the bird that one time, apparently.

485
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Yes. Yeah, you got us a supporter.

486
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:57,000
Good work. So, OK, I know I love the bicycle scenes the most out of this movie.

487
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,000
Yes. What are like your most nonconventional favorite parts of the film?

488
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000
I still love when he just sucker punches sister beach.

489
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000
Like, that's just the best part of this film.

490
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Slow walk down the stairs, the whole building.

491
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,000
It's like a fighter coming down to the ring.

492
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,000
He knew exactly what he was going to do. Yeah.

493
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,000
I do like that at the end when she does take the thing off,

494
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,000
she does have like a big red spot on her face to I was like, good continuity.

495
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000
Someone was paying attention.

496
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Someone on that business was paying attention. Yeah.

497
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,000
I kept getting distracted at the last scene when like the reveal happens.

498
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,000
There's this one woman and she's a little out of focus because she's in the background who looks like she's in blackface.

499
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,000
But when you get a close up on her later, when they're like, you know, face, it's be face.

500
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,000
Yeah, but it's like really dark colors. So like you don't see the stripes from far away.

501
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,000
I'm like, that was a bold decision. Not a good not a good look.

502
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,000
Are you doing B face and buzz buzz?

503
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,000
I think summer's Isles house is probably my favorite.

504
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Yeah, like very weird. And then he's like walking through the gardens and he's swatting bees off.

505
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,000
It's like, dude, get the fuck out of there. Yeah.

506
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,000
Yeah. He's magnetized to danger and walking through bees running into bees.

507
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Cycling is real cocky.

508
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Of all the things that don't make sense about this film,

509
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:18,000
them killing the pilot who like brings them all their supplies still always bothers me.

510
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,000
Why they give him wicker hands like that's a lot of work.

511
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,000
To fuck with Nick.

512
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Again, that's the one part of the film that I mean, there's a lot of parts of the film that don't work.

513
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,000
But like that one's the one that's just like just pointless to fuck with him.

514
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,000
They completely fuck up their entire like ability to get shit.

515
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,000
Well, he did betray their trust.

516
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
But that was the whole point. That was to get out there.

517
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Hmm. He's a man.

518
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Men are expendable in this society, so it's fine.

519
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000
Yeah, they're all drones.

520
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,000
They can't say anything. All they do is harvest and drink and drink the beer.

521
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,000
That's all they do.

522
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,000
How do you think they choose which boys to keep alive?

523
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,000
Strongest stock.

524
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000
I believe that's what they established.

525
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,000
So like just from Sister Beach then?

526
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,000
Yeah.

527
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:11,000
Yeah. Whoever can fight Sister Beach may go on to the plantation of honey and secure the harvest.

528
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000
That's when you can get stung by a bunch of bees and just be in bed.

529
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:20,000
Homestove you has the strongest boy with the flyest hog.

530
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000
He will lead us into the next harvest.

531
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
This movie is so dumb.

532
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,000
I love it. I still love it.

533
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,000
I do too.

534
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,000
I'm so glad it made it to the slicks team.

535
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,000
As it should.

536
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Yeah. I mean, it really does have a place.

537
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:38,000
So actually on that note, Darryl, like why do you think this belongs in the echelon of like tough weird cage?

538
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:47,000
I think this is kind of a film that I guess if you look at it in terms of the cage's performances came along at just the right time.

539
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,000
It was like 2006.

540
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000
So YouTube is still very young.

541
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,000
It is still a boy yet to be stung.

542
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,000
And this is like the time where I think every other channel is some film review channel.

543
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Everyone's being angry for the sake of being angry because no one's reviewing nice stuff in 2006.

544
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000
Everyone's being a piece of shit.

545
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,000
So it comes along around a similar time with the Nicklaus Cage losing his shit compilations.

546
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:17,000
And it's just kind of like a gestating part and he just builds and it has this whole lore about it.

547
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000
It's like, oh, this is one of the worst Nicklaus Cage films.

548
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000
All the best ones, depending on how you view Nicklaus Cage.

549
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,000
It's one of the cages to the cage films and for like out of context scenes.

550
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:34,000
And if you know, we've probably all seen an out of context meme from this film of him in the bear costume, punching a woman, blowing a horn.

551
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Who amongst us hasn't?

552
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,000
Who amongst us has not fantasized of that moment?

553
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:47,000
But this is just, I think, where I don't know if there's a better word for this.

554
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Some of the downfall, I'm going to use that in our quotes, of Nicklaus Cage may have started here.

555
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Because what was 2006, is this the same year he did the Twin Towers movie, which is speaking of Flight 911?

556
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000
It was. It was right around the same time.

557
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000
He was doing this. I think, did he do the Ant Bully this year as well?

558
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,000
An absolutely insane year for Nicklaus Cage output.

559
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:14,000
You start your year as an ant wizard. You end your year burning in the torso of a Wicker Man.

560
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,000
So I think a lot of people will say like, oh, you look at a film like this and this is why Nicklaus Cage is insane.

561
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:25,000
But this is what we've been talking about though, because like most of this film, it's a little rough around the edges.

562
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000
It's a little directionless. It's very absurd.

563
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:34,000
And even though they claim to have used 80% of the exact same dialogue as the original film,

564
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,000
and then they claimed whenever I was like, this sucks, what have you done?

565
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,000
And then they had the nerve to wreck on history and say, oh yeah, we did that intentionally.

566
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:50,000
It should be viewed as a black comedy. So the joke's on you if you didn't get it, which is some grade A gaslighting.

567
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000
Fantastic stuff. Good marketing team.

568
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:59,000
On that merit alone for the marketing of blaming everyone but yourself, Neil Labute,

569
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:05,000
I think it deserves to be in the Criterion collection. It deserves to be studied.

570
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,000
None of it makes sense. But this is one of those things.

571
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,000
And I sort of talk about this even with films that are a bit duller and not as great.

572
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:19,000
There's a thing with Nicklaus Cage movies is that, you know, you don't remember half of what happened here because it's kind of not interesting.

573
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,000
It's very boring. But my God, do you remember a Nicklaus Cage performance?

574
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:31,000
And this, for better or worse, is one of his most memorable because you almost know that because he's a producer on this as well.

575
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000
So he's like, well, I think I'm going to do it this way.

576
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:39,000
And I think Neil Labute, the only way his direction in this and he's very boring, get it?

577
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:45,000
He makes sense for me is that any time he should have been doing his job, he was rolling around in a circle trying to suck his own heart.

578
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000
That's the only way this makes sense for me.

579
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,000
They called they called him Rolling Neil Labute on the set.

580
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000
Oh, Roland Neil.

581
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,000
Old Rolling Neil, he was Sonic the Hedgehog, he's way around the set.

582
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Just spraying his rings all over the wall.

583
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Just spraying rings everywhere.

584
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:09,000
I don't know what he sounds like, but in my head, he's like, I swear I was close to his game as I can nail what days behind schedule.

585
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000
We're going over budget here.

586
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,000
Is this a trapped in paradise situation where Nick Cage just takes over the production?

587
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,000
I have to assume so. Honestly, I haven't seen the original Wicker Man.

588
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,000
So for all intents and purposes, as far as I'm concerned, this is the superior Wicker Man.

589
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,000
This is the only Wicker Man that we've seen.

590
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,000
So on principle, I'm not going to watch the original.

591
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Yeah. Were the bees in the original?

592
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Don't care. Don't know.

593
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Oh, no way to find out.

594
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Doesn't exist.

595
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000
Well, they couldn't have had bees. Bees are a new world crop.

596
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,000
There were no bees in 1973.

597
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,000
That's right. Just just that store bought honey.

598
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
How did it get there? We don't know.

599
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000
We don't know. All things a damn conspiracy theory.

600
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000
But I got thoughts on Winnie the Pooh.

601
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Yeah, just being pantsless all the time.

602
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000
Major honey producer.

603
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,000
I think honey consumer.

604
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,000
A little bit of both.

605
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000
Getting honey in and honey out.

606
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000
Honey in and honey out.

607
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,000
I don't know why that grosses me out so much, but it really does.

608
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000
I like to imagine Winnie the Pooh.

609
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
Definitely came out the last time I was on this podcast.

610
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,000
It did. Yes.

611
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,000
And I think Winnie the Pooh flew into the Twin Towers the last time I was on this podcast.

612
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,000
Yes.

613
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,000
There is a recurring theme here.

614
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Honey can't melt steel beams, I believe.

615
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Yes.

616
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,000
Put it on a T-shirt.

617
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,000
You know what? I still believe that.

618
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
I don't know how long it's been, but honey cannot melt steel beams.

619
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000
We should get the Mythbusters on this.

620
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,000
I can't remember, because we're talking about all the movie bears, because we're talking about Paddington.

621
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,000
Oh God. Yeah.

622
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Yeah, exactly.

623
00:38:51,000 --> 00:39:00,000
I guess if you replaced Nicholas Gage's character in this, exact same dialogue, maybe the exact same intonation, but with Winnie the Pooh.

624
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,000
It's Edwin Mayless. It's Winnie the Mayless.

625
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Winnie the Highway Cop.

626
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:13,000
And then he's just saying stuff like, bitches, you bitches killing me will bring back your goddamn money.

627
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:18,000
And then he's getting his little Winnie the Pooh knees smashed him with a hammer.

628
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,000
By somebody in a Tigger costume.

629
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,000
It's very nice. I like this new edit. Get on it, Peter.

630
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Yeah, no, I'm glad about this.

631
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000
Do you guys have any last thoughts on this one?

632
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:38,000
I still I still thoroughly enjoy this film for how bad it is. I have fun with it every single time.

633
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,000
It's terrifically entertaining if you've got time to get through the boring parts.

634
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,000
It's one of those things where it does have that.

635
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,000
You mentioned the Wicker Man was like, oh, that's the worst movie.

636
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000
I'm like, it's fucking not. Yeah.

637
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Sadly, there's a lot worse.

638
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,000
I mean, gladly, there's a lot worse.

639
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,000
Someone recently told me, it's like, oh, that's like the worst movie ever.

640
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,000
I'm like, it's not like, well, it's worse than a cage. We're definitely not.

641
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,000
We have a bracket that proves it.

642
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Yeah, we did the work. Yeah.

643
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:12,000
You haven't watched 64 Nicolas Cage movies. You don't get to talk.

644
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,000
You wouldn't last five minutes in my world.

645
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,000
Is this where Winnie the Pooh keeps coming up with you because you didn't do the impression.

646
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000
You have a very good Winnie the Pooh voice.

647
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,000
It shouldn't be as sinister as it is, but you know, there's Winnie the Pooh horror films out now, so it feels right.

648
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,000
That's true. Yeah.

649
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Oh yeah, we can use as much of this as we want.

650
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,000
That's true. Public domain.

651
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,000
Absolutely.

652
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Yeah, come at me Christopher Robin.

653
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Exactly. He's public domain.

654
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,000
He did a 9-11. He was on the stormed beaches of Normandy.

655
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
But on the wrong side.

656
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,000
He stormed them from the land side.

657
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Yeah.

658
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000
English is nished.

659
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000
That's fucking French or something.

660
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Amongst various other war crimes.

661
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
I'm going to say, I don't know how much is going to make the cut.

662
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Everything.

663
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,000
When the FBI is listing, I need you to know this is all satire and.

664
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Yes, we'll put that at the top.

665
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,000
Anytime the Darrell comes on this podcast, there will be a mention of atrocities.

666
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,000
There will be a mention of 9-11.

667
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Winnie the Pooh will come up.

668
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000
I'm surprised you don't mention come yet.

669
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,000
I feel like we've not hit all the infinity stones.

670
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Well, we did have sprain rings, which I think was.

671
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000
It was implied we had honey in honey out.

672
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:33,000
I like it. You like specified atrocities like you separated atrocities and 9-11.

673
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,000
It's his own thing.

674
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,000
We are talking fact and fiction.

675
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Thank you for talking about. Are we talking about thick 9-11 or flat 9-11?

676
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
There's two 9-11s.

677
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000
Full thickness 9-11.

678
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000
Always fun to be here.

679
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000
Thank you very much.

680
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Do you want to plug your shows or anything else?

681
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,000
So when I'm not inventing completely fictitious atrocities, you can find me in one of two places.

682
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,000
I am over on cage rage and Nick this cage podcast in which I am on the journey to true cage Nirvana.

683
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,000
Just like the gentleman you're listening to here going through all the Nicholas Cage films.

684
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,000
And only when I've seen all of them can I be at the tippy top of Nick this cage and mountain dumb.

685
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:21,000
And that is the purest place you can be on all the streaming services and the interwebs.

686
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Go find him.

687
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,000
How to find also you can find me and previous guest of this podcast also Mr.

688
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:39,000
Petros Pat Sylvus over on getting to foe you a dedicated to foe podcast where we are covering all the highs all the delos and all things Willem de Faux.

689
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Currently in the midst of recording season four.

690
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:51,000
It is an absolutely delightful time and you can find us in all the usual places and that's a defoe you pod.

691
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,000
There is mandatory to foe hog chat in every episode as well.

692
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,000
So naturally ticking all the boxes.

693
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,000
I mean, what was he?

694
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,000
His hog was described as too disturbing to be on screen or something.

695
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,000
Yeah.

696
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,000
For Antichrist is just too big.

697
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,000
So he is not able either in flat theories.

698
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,000
No, unfortunately, he is living proof that we live in a thick world.

699
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Keep it thick, baby.

700
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,000
Was a beautiful wingback snakeskin cut chair.

701
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000
It was the best chair I've ever seen.

702
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,000
That's nice.

703
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,000
It was a really high.

704
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,000
What was the hotel?

705
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,000
It was Hotel Chicago.

706
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,000
It was a real scumbag fucking hotel.

707
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,000
It was a terrible hotel.

708
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000
But unless you want to watch your wife get fucked.

709
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Yeah.

710
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Good chair.

711
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,000
Yeah.

712
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,000
Unless you got a great bowl with you.

713
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,000
It's so funny like that, that's mainstream knowledge.

714
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Exactly.

715
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Yeah.

716
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000
I like to see my wife just get really underground thing.

717
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,000
It was like, that's the chair you sit in while your wife gets fucked by a stranger.

718
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Until the last like people your fingers and lean in five years or so.

719
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,000
I always assumed that was like the true lies chair.

720
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,000
But now it's now it's the cucking chair.

721
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000
It was the cucking chair.

722
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000
He was kind of cucking himself.

723
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Kind of kind of it was kind of a metal way.

724
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Yeah.

725
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,000
True life is a great movie.

726
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,000
It is a terrific movie.

727
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,000
He's terrible.

728
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Like there's not a good person in that movie.

729
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,000
We watched I watched it recently.

730
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,000
I was like he's never been manipulating his wife the entire time.

731
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Kidnaps her.

732
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,000
Basically tortures her to a certain degree.

733
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,000
Who's that?

734
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,000
Is it Dan Aykroyd that's with him in that?

735
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,000
No, it's Tom Arnold.

736
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,000
Tom Arnold.

737
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Tom Arnold is right on.

738
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,000
The best part is that whole movie is it's what Paxton is the whole reason to watch that movie.

739
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
He's doing his spazzy.

740
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
That's like a 10 year old boy.

741
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,000
How did that line make it?

742
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Who knows?

743
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Just screaming.

744
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,000
He's great.

745
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,000
Wow.

746
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,000
It's been a long time.

747
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,000
I used to love just throwing on just shit ass Schwarzenegger movies.

748
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000
It's a that's heat.

749
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000
So red heat.

750
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Yeah, red heat.

751
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000
It's a different movie.

752
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,000
Yeah, that's a better one.

753
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
Yeah, it'd be definitely better movie.

754
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,000
Yeah, that genre is just I guess Fast and Furious is the spiritual successor to like

755
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
the big 80s and 90s action movies.

756
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
But they're just not the same.

757
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,000
There's a point in True Lies where like two dogs jump at him and like he bonks their heads

758
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,000
together.

759
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,000
And like, amazing.

760
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,000
I got to rewatch that movie.

761
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,000
Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty ridiculous.

762
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000
I'm thinking I don't know how to start.

763
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,000
You know, you're doing it.

764
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,000
Yeah, this is it.

765
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,000
And our friend Tank Nick.

766
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,000
Yeah, yeah.

767
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,000
No, we finally outnumber.

768
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,000
Yeah, like we're the dominant species now.

769
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,000
Gross.

770
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Well, white dominant nomenclature.

771
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,000
Finally, the Nick vote counts for two.

772
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:37,000
This is me putting what has been an otherwise lucrative career at risk by talking about

773
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,000
a difficult movie.

774
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000
Yeah, absolutely.

775
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Well, we have a big listenership.

776
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,000
So hey, at least you don't have to talk about eight millimeter.

777
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000
I don't know.

778
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,000
I feel like that one's probably an easier approach.

779
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,000
That one has like a sort of at least a moral standpoint.

780
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Whereas this one just does not seem to know what good and bad is, which is a very like

781
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
lynch and kind of thing anyway.

782
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:04,000
But by the end of the movie of eight millimeter, do you think like what is good and what is

783
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,000
bad is the same as it was in the beginning?

784
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Because like now he's just like vengeance killing.

785
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Sure, sure.

786
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,000
But I mean, like at least it's on the side of like this thing that I am killing for against

787
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,000
is like well established and it's wrong.

788
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,000
But like by the end of Wild at Heart, like who has really turned into a better person

789
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,000
or even like I don't know.

790
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,000
I don't think it's a point.

791
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,000
There's no arc.

792
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000
Right.

793
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Oh, like obviously, that's better.

794
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,000
Sailors better.

795
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,000
Sailors.

796
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,000
He calls those guys faggots and then he's like, I'm sorry for calling you homosexual.

797
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,000
He grew so fast.

798
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,000
That's right.

799
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,000
Like Lynch does tie up the entire moral arc in like two minutes.

800
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,000
He's like, oh yeah, we forgot to like put a bow on this.

801
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:47,000
Yeah, let's have this unprompted thing we've been flirting with a reference to Wizard of

802
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,000
Oz, like let's just go way out over the top, bring it down.

803
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,000
The thing that occurred to me coming in was like, in a way, it's strange because Nicolas

804
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,000
Cage is probably the most reserved in the entire movie, which is a very odd thing to

805
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:07,000
say, especially given like the fact that it ends with him singing Elvis on the hood of

806
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:12,000
a car and that and he's the most reserved performance through the entire thing, I think

807
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000
is a testament to this movie.

808
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Yeah, I fucking love every performance around Nicolas Cage.

809
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:24,320
And yeah, in that, in that sense, he is definitely kind of the straight man in the show, even

810
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:30,320
though there's so much about the character that is incredibly large, like his dancing

811
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,000
techniques, his sick backflips out of cars, cars.

812
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,000
Yeah.

813
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,000
Fucking sexing.

814
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,000
He seems like a real lover.

815
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,000
No need for the cut chair.

816
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Or push it right up against the table.

817
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Everybody's in.

818
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,000
Yeah.

819
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,000
Come on, Bobby Peru.

820
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,000
That was not those teeth.

821
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,000
No, I was, I was talking to my wife about this last night and she's never seen.

822
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,000
I was like, I don't recommend like, let's not go there.

823
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,000
But I was kind of walking her through it and I was like, all right, this is Nicolas Cage,

824
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,000
Laura Dern, Laura Dern's mother, right?

825
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,000
Diane Ladd plays her mother.

826
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Like I think she got best supporting actress for that or nominated, nominated, nominated,

827
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,000
which is crazy to think that that was a nominated role because it's just that.

828
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,000
And then you go on that tangent of Crispin Glover as a schizophrenic Santa Claus for like

829
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,000
a minute for like a minute.

830
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,000
Just pushing a black glove around on the ground and screaming and making sandwiches.

831
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Cockroaches on his butthole.

832
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Weird little like dance he does in front of the fence.

833
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Yeah.

834
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,000
Yeah.

835
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,000
Harry Dean Stanton.

836
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,000
And then you have Willem Dafoe.

837
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:40,000
Like that's it's a is that is that the best indie alt casting of all time?

838
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,000
Maybe.

839
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000
Yeah.

840
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,000
I mean, it really is.

841
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000
It's an absolute banger of people.

842
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,000
And then you have the usual like hodgepodge of random David Lynch sort of bizarro characters

843
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,000
to character actors.

844
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Yeah.

845
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:58,000
But yeah, nobody puts together a castless quite like David Lynch and Wes Anderson.

846
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,000
And they come in a completely different tones.

847
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,000
Also, there's a similar players in each one, like like Dafoe.

848
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,000
Dafoe is the common thread between Wes Anderson and David Lynch.

849
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,000
There's a world in which Willem Dafoe, David Lynch and Wes Anderson have coffee at some

850
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,000
point in their life, which I think would be a really fun conversation.

851
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,000
Well, David Lynch can't leave his house anymore, so it hasn't happened.

852
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,000
It won't happen now.

853
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Why doesn't he leave his house?

854
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,000
He's from smoking his whole life.

855
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,000
He has severe emphysema and pretty much a cold will kill him.

856
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,000
It's nothing to have sympathy over.

857
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Like the guy is very enthusiastically pro smoking.

858
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,000
Yeah.

859
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,000
I told the story about it.

860
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,000
You did do it to yourself.

861
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,000
But he's also like 80 something.

862
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,000
There's no way or there's no reason he should be that fucking hot, though.

863
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,000
Like, God damn.

864
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000
Like, that's a good looking man.

865
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,000
Is a good looking dude.

866
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,000
Yeah.

867
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,000
How do you smoke all the time and are old and sick and look that good?

868
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,000
So he started smoking.

869
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,000
He does have cigarettes made you cool.

870
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Right.

871
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,000
Like he's from that generation.

872
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,000
So it just carries forward that he would continue to look cool.

873
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,000
He's the inspiration for that saying.

874
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,000
Yeah, right.

875
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,000
But, you know, and then in the 80s and 90s, it didn't no longer age you cool.

876
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,000
Just, you know, kill your baby or whatever.

877
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,000
And then, you know, under cool.

878
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,000
But what if you smoke too at the same time?

879
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,000
Oh, yeah.

880
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Very difficult.

881
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,000
And it hurts.

882
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,000
Yeah.

883
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Good to know.

884
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
In fact, too much cigarette at once.

885
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,000
I did try the cartoon thing where you have like five cigarettes in your mouth.

886
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,000
You just smoke them.

887
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,000
And it is a it's like that's how you die.

888
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,000
It's a mistake.

889
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,000
Yes, it is.

890
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Cartoons, again, have not provided me with proper guidance on how to live my life.

891
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,000
You're telling me I can't slice a single bean into wafers in layers and then serve it up.

892
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:43,580
Well, that's where the

893
00:50:43,580 --> 00:50:49,000
yea

894
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:49,840
weird.

895
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,880
Yeah, he's going to come out small and probably have a podcast.

896
00:50:53,980 --> 00:50:57,080
When you meet the kid, he's essentially like from Newsies.

897
00:50:57,180 --> 00:50:58,780
Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah.

898
00:50:58,780 --> 00:51:00,680
Oh, man. And he does that stupid.

899
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:01,840
He's wearing fucking braces.

900
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,640
Yeah. So this is the third film in which Nick Cage gets out of prison,

901
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,980
meets his child and brings him a stuffed animal.

902
00:51:08,980 --> 00:51:13,740
Yes. The parallels between this and Conair is and stolen.

903
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:14,940
Is the other one.

904
00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:16,680
So he knew his daughter stolen was the other one.

905
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,600
But he brings her to that big fucking.

906
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,040
I thought it was a bunny, but you know, you're ready.

907
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,400
It was. Yeah, it was.

908
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,140
Yeah, we were trying to figure out how many movies Nick Cage has been to prison.

909
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,940
So a lion, a bear and a bunny.

910
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:32,480
Nice. Whatever like dialect coach taught him that southern accent

911
00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:37,980
deserves a bonus because he uses that thing from like 1985 to like 2005.

912
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,080
Oh, yeah. He's like when he discovers Boston.

913
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,000
Yeah, right.

914
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,340
Right. He transitions in the next phase.

915
00:51:44,340 --> 00:51:46,380
Wait, is the Boston the problem?

916
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:48,280
That's his dark times.

917
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,200
It could have been.

918
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,940
Maybe they only paid for a Boston accent.

919
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,600
I like to think that H.I. and sailor are like brothers.

920
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,440
Yeah, this is seems like a shared universe to a certain degree.

921
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,880
Just like one's a darker side than the other.

922
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,800
And they both have the same vibe, the same kind of energy.

923
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:07,200
They're both like live action cartoons.

924
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,800
Just one came on after nine and the other one was out of prime time.

925
00:52:11,180 --> 00:52:11,980
So thank you.

926
00:52:11,980 --> 00:52:13,900
Had seen this movie in the past, right?

927
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:17,240
Like a long time ago, back when I was like into endurance cinema and stuff, you know,

928
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:22,600
I think that like a lot of Lynch is kind of ruined by the fan base.

929
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,000
And what I mean by that is that people tend to over rotate on him

930
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,480
being a genius versus like he's quirky. He's fun.

931
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,780
He does a lot of great stuff.

932
00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:34,840
But like, I don't think he was I don't think he designs his movies to be like

933
00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:38,340
deeply thought about and talked about and written about.

934
00:52:38,340 --> 00:52:40,380
I think he's very much an experiential person.

935
00:52:40,380 --> 00:52:42,980
Would you like show up, experience it if it changes you great.

936
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:46,880
But like the amount of people who just like fan over Lynch,

937
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:47,880
that's what I grew up with.

938
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,080
And it kind of ruined him for me for a long time until like I got a little distance.

939
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,400
And now I can go back and watch and really enjoy kind of like his career.

940
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:57,740
The movie that always stood out to me from Lynch was Eraserhead.

941
00:52:57,740 --> 00:53:02,140
Like in all of Lynch's movies, with the exception of like Dune and The Elephant Man,

942
00:53:02,140 --> 00:53:05,000
which is kind of where he tried to go super mainstream and it didn't happen,

943
00:53:05,380 --> 00:53:08,540
are like adolescent young male or adolescent male fantasies.

944
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:12,440
Right. So Eraserhead is about what is it like when like you finally have

945
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,100
responsibilities and you have to deal with the fact that like you're this giant,

946
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:20,000
like sack of hormones that is getting himself into trouble over and over again.

947
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,680
And then you get into Wild at Heart and like Wild at Heart is fundamentally

948
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:29,580
just a fantasy from like it's like a person who buys swords in the mall

949
00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:30,380
kind of fantasy.

950
00:53:30,380 --> 00:53:34,480
Like I want to have a snakeskin jacket and I'm going to kill this guy

951
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,080
because his because my girlfriend mom tried to have me killed.

952
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,540
And like there's a scene where it really pops where he's telling the story

953
00:53:43,540 --> 00:53:46,740
to Lou about, I guess, the first time he had sex or person he had sex with.

954
00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:47,820
Right. Is the dark haired lady.

955
00:53:47,820 --> 00:53:50,820
And at one point, he said she was like on the bed bent over

956
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,080
and there were there were semi automatic guns and stroke mags or something.

957
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,340
Yeah.

958
00:53:56,340 --> 00:54:00,580
I was like, this is exactly like a 16 year old imagining being a cool.

959
00:54:00,580 --> 00:54:03,640
And he's what fucking is constantly defending her honor.

960
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:06,780
They go to like a heavy metal show and he breaks out and sings Elvis

961
00:54:06,780 --> 00:54:11,220
after like beating up a guy who like, I mean, it's just it is just an adolescent

962
00:54:11,220 --> 00:54:14,120
male fantasy, and that's all like Lynch movies are until about Lost Highway.

963
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,740
And then it begins to like transition into like later years.

964
00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:19,140
But overall, I mean, it's more fun.

965
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:19,720
I can go back.

966
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:21,820
I can't really watch too much of it in a row.

967
00:54:21,820 --> 00:54:22,840
It's very melodramatic.

968
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,680
But but otherwise, like I think you give yourself distance

969
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,740
from the group that thinks he's the greatest thing to ever create film.

970
00:54:28,740 --> 00:54:30,480
And he becomes a really enjoyable watch.

971
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:31,320
He does a lot of interesting stuff.

972
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,380
I think he also informs a lot of cinema that comes after.

973
00:54:33,380 --> 00:54:34,940
And so for that, I really enjoyed it.

974
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:36,720
I like this watch.

975
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:40,240
And as I mentioned, I watched this in the I watched this

976
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:43,200
from the Toronto airport into the airplane.

977
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:45,840
I sat next to a lady and I apologize in advance.

978
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,500
I'm like, look, I'm going to watch something.

979
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:49,840
I forgot, you know, I had seen a lot of my.

980
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,100
You forgot about Texas style.

981
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:53,140
I forgot about it.

982
00:54:53,140 --> 00:54:54,360
Luckily, you have headphones.

983
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,300
It would have been much worse.

984
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:57,960
But like I told her, like, hey, look, if you look over

985
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,240
and you don't like what you see on my tablet, I will be happy to turn it off.

986
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:02,160
She's like, I get it. It's fine.

987
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,940
I'm like, OK, just let me know.

988
00:55:03,940 --> 00:55:05,540
Did you tell her you're doing it for a podcast?

989
00:55:05,540 --> 00:55:07,740
Yes, I did. But I don't think that helps.

990
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:09,840
No, that's probably true.

991
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,860
That's like an extra red mark.

992
00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:12,100
I don't know.

993
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:14,760
So he's funnier than people give him credit for.

994
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,500
He's goofier.

995
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:19,600
Like, it's not as serious as serious as he kind of gets made out to be.

996
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,960
But just the fact this movie won the Palmdale or the fact this movie was a nominee

997
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,560
for Academy Awards is considered his like biggest commercial success up to that point.

998
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,560
I think Elephant Man was probably the biggest one.

999
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,940
But it's crazy to me that this was a movie like in 1990

1000
00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:36,460
that ran in theaters and like had big name stars

1001
00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:39,300
and like propped into like the like the consciousness the way it did,

1002
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:43,360
because it is super, super sexual, is incredibly violent.

1003
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,560
And those two things merge constantly through the whole movie.

1004
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:47,840
And like, you just don't see that.

1005
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,660
That is not stuff you see anymore.

1006
00:55:49,660 --> 00:55:52,100
Right. Putting sex up against violence so much.

1007
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:54,760
Yeah, I guess like euphoria kind of did it. Sure.

1008
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:55,900
But not like this.

1009
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:58,340
This whole movie, like and I think all this period of Lynch,

1010
00:55:58,340 --> 00:56:01,400
almost all Lynch movies feel like you walked into a room

1011
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,800
you weren't supposed to be in your scenes like, you know what I mean?

1012
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,460
Like you're again, like you're a young person and you get it like

1013
00:56:07,460 --> 00:56:09,240
I'm going to be a dangerous, sexy person.

1014
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,840
And you walk into a room full of dangerous, sexy people and you're like,

1015
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,160
this is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be.

1016
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,440
I was not prepared for the consequences of this.

1017
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,540
Yeah, I do not believe that I am ready for this.

1018
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,640
I do have one question in regards to your assessment of the film

1019
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,100
about being a 16 16 year old mall sword owning a.

1020
00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:29,240
I'm sorry to. Disappoint your feelings.

1021
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:30,700
No, I'm curious.

1022
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:33,100
What what kind of sword did adolescent tank own?

1023
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,340
Because we've had this conversation. We all had swords.

1024
00:56:35,340 --> 00:56:40,560
So so I never I never had a I had a I had a pocket knife.

1025
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,700
That was it wasn't a switchblade, which is kind of a pocket knife.

1026
00:56:43,860 --> 00:56:46,040
I carry that. I feel kind of cool.

1027
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,940
I never I never had a sword, but I was definitely sort of Jason.

1028
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:51,400
Many of my friends had so staff.

1029
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,460
Buddy of mine had like a big claymore brain.

1030
00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:55,560
Oh, he was into that kind of world.

1031
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,660
Yeah. So you feel like a katana guy to me for some reason.

1032
00:56:58,660 --> 00:57:00,400
I don't know why. I don't know. I come off like that.

1033
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,200
Yeah, I got that vibe, but maybe you're not.

1034
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,500
I had if I had to, I would want it to be like probably in the

1035
00:57:06,540 --> 00:57:08,400
not a sword like the Mace territory.

1036
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:09,300
That seems fun.

1037
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:10,340
Very medieval weapon.

1038
00:57:10,340 --> 00:57:12,160
Yeah, it would be would be good.

1039
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,240
The Japanese style. God bless it. Good for them.

1040
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:15,300
But like, it's just not me.

1041
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:17,640
I'm more of a cudgel. You know.

1042
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,960
I want to meet a flail person.

1043
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,100
Like somebody who legitimately just has a stick with chain

1044
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:25,700
and like a spiked ball on the end of it in their closet.

1045
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,800
I just sitting on the floor because how do you support a flail

1046
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:31,600
and make it look cool on the floor?

1047
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,560
It has a hang. Yeah.

1048
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,500
That chain in there. Yeah. Right.

1049
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:36,300
This movie has nunchuck energy, though.

1050
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:39,200
It does. I mean, although like.

1051
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,740
I was listening to Power Mad on my way over here today,

1052
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,300
and it was very difficult not to just like stomp on the gas

1053
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:50,360
and like punch out my windows.

1054
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,140
Stab it and steer. Stab it and steer.

1055
00:57:52,140 --> 00:57:53,940
I fucking love that line.

1056
00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:56,500
The language in this movie still excites me.

1057
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:59,060
Like just the way they talk about things is like I don't hear

1058
00:57:59,060 --> 00:58:01,100
anybody ever say things like that.

1059
00:58:01,100 --> 00:58:02,860
Because like the whole thing, you're right, Tank.

1060
00:58:02,860 --> 00:58:05,440
It's like very melodramatic. It feels so poppery.

1061
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,100
It feels like this could be a TV show.

1062
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:08,860
You know, not shocking with David Lynch.

1063
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:10,560
But like there's something about the language

1064
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,740
that really does drive the entire thing

1065
00:58:12,740 --> 00:58:14,840
and keep it moving in a fun, interesting way.

1066
00:58:15,140 --> 00:58:17,240
I think it's the fantasy thing. It is a fantasy.

1067
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,660
And some of it's by the way, some of it's really, really sexy.

1068
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:20,660
That's the thing about the show.

1069
00:58:20,660 --> 00:58:23,340
Like Laura Dern is on fire. Oh, yeah.

1070
00:58:23,340 --> 00:58:26,460
Like if you only know Jurassic Park on Laura Dern,

1071
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,140
you would never have known that she had this whole.

1072
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:32,240
She's like four time buttoned up mom and that.

1073
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,440
And this is the total opposite.

1074
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,500
Yeah, like she's just manic.

1075
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:38,800
But she she owns every scene she's in.

1076
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:41,800
Like the chemistry between her and Cage is it's insane.

1077
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:42,580
Outstanding.

1078
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:45,140
Like I just not seen to like performance

1079
00:58:45,140 --> 00:58:46,240
have like that kind of sexual chemistry.

1080
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,600
And I think that's what it is.

1081
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,540
It's like it does fall into a very fun place.

1082
00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:50,740
It rockets. It moves forward.

1083
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:52,080
It's kind of pulpy. It's kind of new.

1084
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,240
Are you like Lynch likes that kind of stuff?

1085
00:58:55,180 --> 00:58:57,100
And they hit really like the line that always got

1086
00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:59,200
other than the jacket, right? This makes it.

1087
00:58:59,200 --> 00:58:59,740
I could have.

1088
00:58:59,740 --> 00:59:04,000
Yeah, we he says, honey, you're giving me a boner with a capital O.

1089
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:05,480
Like the capital.

1090
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,480
Oh, that's the detail.

1091
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,080
Oh, yeah. It's a moaner.

1092
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,200
Yeah, I mean, it does make sense with that accent.

1093
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,800
And it's just so much fun to say.

1094
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,780
It's interesting, too, because everybody in that movie, no matter how,

1095
00:59:18,780 --> 00:59:23,140
like Willem Dafoe is maybe one of the most horrible people to ever walk on screen.

1096
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:23,800
Oh, yeah.

1097
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,300
Oh, he's rough.

1098
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:27,740
He is the teeth alone in the teeth.

1099
00:59:27,740 --> 00:59:29,800
But he is pain with the door open.

1100
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,200
Yeah, that's just coming straight in.

1101
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,300
And he's he's deplorable.

1102
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:38,440
You think? But but like he's really having fun with the character.

1103
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:39,640
Like he's really like in it.

1104
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:45,140
And he hits that that line between like real and melodramatic or like caricature.

1105
00:59:45,140 --> 00:59:47,200
And that's kind of where everybody sits in the whole movie.

1106
00:59:47,580 --> 00:59:48,840
So we got to talk about the Mr.

1107
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,540
Reindeer of it all.

1108
00:59:50,540 --> 00:59:52,880
You you fixate on this character so much.

1109
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,500
It's a really weird character.

1110
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:55,800
It's a weird movie.

1111
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,140
It's it's like the wolf.

1112
00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:58,840
He's a fixer. You know what I mean?

1113
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,540
But he doesn't actually do anything.

1114
01:00:00,540 --> 01:00:04,340
He just like shits while some lady dances topless for him.

1115
01:00:04,780 --> 01:00:07,140
Well, I mean, you got to have like a nice dinner party.

1116
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,380
I feel like you need that guy in between you and your contract killer

1117
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,780
so that you have it's just interesting to actually see him.

1118
01:00:14,780 --> 01:00:17,480
Usually you see the contract killer, the more interesting angle.

1119
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,900
Instead, you just see this fucking strange dude.

1120
01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:21,180
It sounds to me like Mr.

1121
01:00:21,180 --> 01:00:24,040
Reindeer is the more interesting angle in your brain. Maybe.

1122
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,960
Well, I that's actually maybe the point is I kind of want more

1123
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,460
with Mr. Reindeer and I want more resolution around it.

1124
01:00:29,460 --> 01:00:31,800
Like a Mr. Reindeer spin off series. Kind of.

1125
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,660
Well, so like more would ruin it.

1126
01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:36,140
What happens if the hit doesn't work?

1127
01:00:36,140 --> 01:00:38,660
Like is sailor just free to go now?

1128
01:00:38,660 --> 01:00:41,000
Like the fucking silver dollar got paid.

1129
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,640
I mean, he kind of was free to go.

1130
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:44,940
Certainly, that's how it played out.

1131
01:00:44,940 --> 01:00:46,460
But like, why?

1132
01:00:46,460 --> 01:00:48,560
Because Bobby Peru blew his own head off.

1133
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:51,440
Isabella Rossellini went to jail.

1134
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,240
I don't want to cop out, but like I think it's unimportant.

1135
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,580
Right. He is a deeper layer in this disgusting world.

1136
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:58,340
Yeah, fair enough.

1137
01:00:58,340 --> 01:01:01,220
And so like at the very top, you probably have Lula. Right.

1138
01:01:01,220 --> 01:01:06,340
So Lula is probably of anybody the most sort of I don't say good.

1139
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:07,780
But I got the cleanest conscience.

1140
01:01:07,780 --> 01:01:08,680
Yeah, it's the cleanest conscience.

1141
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,680
Right. So it's in the right boat of sailor.

1142
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:11,920
Weirdly enough. Right.

1143
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,880
Sailor has done some bad things, but he recognizes.

1144
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,340
OK, then you have like probably Diane Ladd's character.

1145
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,840
Pretty. No, I mean, Harry Dean's standing.

1146
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,920
Yeah, you probably got Johnny first.

1147
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:20,980
And then it starts to go down.

1148
01:01:20,980 --> 01:01:22,740
It's just like the layers of like.

1149
01:01:22,740 --> 01:01:25,580
And then when you get to reindeer, it's just animalistic.

1150
01:01:25,580 --> 01:01:30,020
Like the hit people that reindeer pulls in are like, like lunatics.

1151
01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:31,440
Right. Maniacs. Right.

1152
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,380
So he's like the layer between.

1153
01:01:33,380 --> 01:01:35,540
So it's like Santo Santos. Yeah.

1154
01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:37,240
Santos is right there above reindeer.

1155
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:42,220
But reindeer is the translation later down into like the real primal dark.

1156
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,920
The character I'm obsessed with is the one who has the least to say in this movie.

1157
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,240
And it's the one who kind of looks like Bono, one of the contract killers.

1158
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,360
Every time I see him, I guess that's it looks like Bono. Yeah.

1159
01:01:53,060 --> 01:01:54,440
Looks like a young Bono.

1160
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,440
Kind of wish it had been. I did, too. I did.

1161
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,900
I am. It's not like an uncredited Bono.

1162
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,200
It seems like not.

1163
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,500
If it was like 1984, maybe it was Bono with a capital O, though.

1164
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:06,440
Yeah. Bono.

1165
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,160
Bono. Bono.

1166
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,460
But I think like the mechanics of like how that world works is less about like

1167
01:02:13,540 --> 01:02:17,140
because like I was thinking about it because I watched John Wick recently

1168
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:18,860
and they do the whole coin thing. Sure.

1169
01:02:18,860 --> 01:02:21,060
I was listening to another podcast and they were talking about

1170
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,660
what's the currency exchange rate for the coin?

1171
01:02:23,660 --> 01:02:27,200
Because it seems like it's like killing a person is a coin and then also

1172
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,340
tipping your doorman is a coin.

1173
01:02:29,340 --> 01:02:30,760
So like, what's the coin?

1174
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,240
And I was like, same thing with this is like it's just the mechanics don't matter.

1175
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,100
It's just kind of a cool flourish.

1176
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:37,400
And it's a way of like just showing a transaction is happening.

1177
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,700
There's rules in this world.

1178
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:41,440
But also, again, you walked into a room you're not supposed to be in

1179
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:42,540
and you're not going to understand.

1180
01:02:42,540 --> 01:02:46,740
Yeah, it's also just like a timeless way of showing something's happening.

1181
01:02:46,740 --> 01:02:49,840
Like Austin Powers, Dr.

1182
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,660
Evil wants a million dollars.

1183
01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:55,540
Like that means one thing at the beginning of the movie versus the end of the movie.

1184
01:02:55,660 --> 01:02:59,260
It's like one million dollars gets left out of the room.

1185
01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:01,500
Yeah, fair enough. So the coin is a coin.

1186
01:03:01,940 --> 01:03:05,660
But two silver dollars for two lives seems I don't know how that would

1187
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:07,660
inflation would affect that.

1188
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:09,500
But it seems like not too bad.

1189
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:12,060
They do seem to be living very expensive lives.

1190
01:03:12,060 --> 01:03:15,840
And I doubt that, you know, the people who run the giant mansion

1191
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,860
with all the women take a coin.

1192
01:03:17,860 --> 01:03:19,300
They know they have rent to pay.

1193
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:21,060
The electric company is not going to take a coin.

1194
01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:24,400
I think what I really want, though, is like the secret life of Mr. Reindeer.

1195
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,040
I want that like TV series, you know, where it's just like

1196
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:28,760
whatever the fuck that dude is up to.

1197
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,160
It's never going to be as interesting as you think it is.

1198
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:32,100
Of course not.

1199
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:35,500
That's kind of one eye jacks in. Sure.

1200
01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:36,640
And 20, right?

1201
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:37,940
It's like this. It's not him.

1202
01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:38,860
It's the world, right?

1203
01:03:38,860 --> 01:03:40,340
Because he would be ultimate. He's uninteresting.

1204
01:03:40,340 --> 01:03:42,360
He'd just be taking craps and watching women's dance.

1205
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:43,400
Poppets, right? Right.

1206
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,000
So that show wouldn't be all that good.

1207
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,700
Great. It would be great.

1208
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:48,500
The old lady, I guess, is a brothel.

1209
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:51,800
The old lady that runs the high end brothel, she would be a really fun character

1210
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,400
because she has like one line and she just nails it.

1211
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,900
Just you're here to make him happy or whatever.

1212
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,060
So it's like, what is that world like?

1213
01:03:59,060 --> 01:04:01,700
I think is what he kept continuing to explore.

1214
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:03,960
And he kind of touches on it in Blue Velvet.

1215
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,940
Again, there's this Frank, this really dark world that has its own logic.

1216
01:04:07,940 --> 01:04:10,560
There's its own people and you get to touch on it.

1217
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,300
And then in Twin Peaks, I think he goes a couple of layers into it.

1218
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:15,900
I give you a little bit more of what would it like to be like,

1219
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:19,060
not just to walk into the room, but like live in that space for a period of time.

1220
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:21,160
Yeah. Unpleasant, by the way, is the answer.

1221
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,100
Yeah, it's like absolutely.

1222
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:24,500
It's a cautionary tale.

1223
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:26,240
David Lynch movies.

1224
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,740
Mother's hug, your children.

1225
01:04:28,740 --> 01:04:31,740
I thought that was going to take a Nick turn.

1226
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,000
I was hot on the button here.

1227
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,000
I was like, I'm you.

1228
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,140
Nope. No.

1229
01:04:38,140 --> 01:04:40,440
It was just a genuine nice thought.

1230
01:04:41,740 --> 01:04:42,440
It's weird.

1231
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,100
How do you not wind up in a real life David Lynch film?

1232
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:46,600
I was thinking about this.

1233
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,700
It's kind of the last point open on that kind of world.

1234
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:53,940
So I when I was 16, I loosely had a lynching experience in real life.

1235
01:04:53,940 --> 01:04:56,580
So I was going to be a dangerous kid.

1236
01:04:56,580 --> 01:05:00,380
I was like, I'm going to sell drugs and get to know dangerous people

1237
01:05:00,380 --> 01:05:01,640
and I'm going to be a dangerous person.

1238
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,080
So a friend of mine had a friend, a friend of a friend, and his

1239
01:05:05,340 --> 01:05:07,600
he was going into that world.

1240
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:08,500
He was like 17.

1241
01:05:08,500 --> 01:05:11,140
So he's like, I'll go find you like an ounce of weed or whatever.

1242
01:05:11,140 --> 01:05:12,980
Like that's that's as dangerous as I was going to go.

1243
01:05:12,980 --> 01:05:16,040
I was going to sell marijuana to high school kids in Oklahoma.

1244
01:05:16,540 --> 01:05:18,340
So that's living on the edge.

1245
01:05:18,340 --> 01:05:21,880
It is. So we had this like long night of like trying to find an ounce of weed.

1246
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,780
And we I just kept going into places with this guy.

1247
01:05:24,780 --> 01:05:26,840
And every time I was like, I want to do this.

1248
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:31,580
So I went into one room with this like short stubby guy who was red haired

1249
01:05:31,580 --> 01:05:33,840
and he had like a big enforcer looking dude behind him.

1250
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,780
And the short guy just said, you shouldn't have brought him in here.

1251
01:05:36,780 --> 01:05:37,580
Get him out of here.

1252
01:05:37,580 --> 01:05:39,080
And then like he stayed and talked.

1253
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,300
And then we went to this guy's mother's house.

1254
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:44,040
And it was like we walked in. It's 11 o'clock at night.

1255
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,280
There's a lady who has all the furniture in the middle of the room

1256
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,280
and she's painting and she's like tweaked out of her mind.

1257
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,380
And the mom is upstairs with like her boyfriend and like two children

1258
01:05:53,380 --> 01:05:55,140
that are not there is like watching Mr.

1259
01:05:55,140 --> 01:05:57,480
Giggles like it was like it was again.

1260
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,400
I touched into this world.

1261
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:00,740
That's the whole time I'm watching this movie.

1262
01:06:00,740 --> 01:06:04,940
I'm like, and even like Blue Velvet, like like you want to be a dangerous person.

1263
01:06:04,940 --> 01:06:06,540
This is what dangerous people are like.

1264
01:06:06,540 --> 01:06:08,440
And like, I don't want to be a part of that. I don't want it.

1265
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,100
Yeah, it's like, oh, this is actually pretty scary.

1266
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:10,900
This is very gross.

1267
01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:14,940
And I think the question always makes me think of the scene in Community

1268
01:06:14,940 --> 01:06:17,040
where Troy gets kidnapped by air conditioning repair.

1269
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,740
Yeah, it's like, why is there a spaceman making paninis in the corner?

1270
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:22,200
Because we don't want anyone to believe you.

1271
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,640
Isn't that right? Black Hitler.

1272
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,340
Have you seen the movie that's going up against Wicker Man?

1273
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,080
I've not seen the Nicholas Cage version of Wicker Man.

1274
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,980
So you're the only person that's seen the other one.

1275
01:06:32,980 --> 01:06:36,380
I have. And all I can say is that agrarian life in England

1276
01:06:36,380 --> 01:06:38,540
seems very, very complex and difficult.

1277
01:06:38,540 --> 01:06:41,200
You have to kill a police officer in order to make the corn crop.

1278
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:42,680
You got to do what you got to do.

1279
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,640
Listen, farming, small sacrifices.

1280
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,300
Farming is hard. Farming is hard.

1281
01:06:46,300 --> 01:06:47,240
We'll need to eat.

1282
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,980
Yeah, I mean, that's such an old culture.

1283
01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:53,200
I'm sure that there are very few nutrients left in the soil.

1284
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,380
So what's a cop here and there? Sure.

1285
01:06:55,380 --> 01:06:57,500
Just to make the corn grow. Yeah.

1286
01:06:57,500 --> 01:07:00,040
Also, you're welcome, England, for corn,

1287
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,700
corn and tomatoes.

1288
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:04,580
You're welcome. Yeah. And bees.

1289
01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:06,680
They didn't have bees in Europe. He had bees.

1290
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,900
You're welcome, Darrell. Bees are a new world crop.

1291
01:07:10,740 --> 01:07:12,700
No flowers, just tubers and all.

1292
01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:17,240
That's tubers and gourds is already just a bunch of dick shaped shit.

1293
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:19,780
That's all you need.

1294
01:07:19,780 --> 01:07:22,300
This explains so much of the Catholic Church.

1295
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:25,640
I mean, if you think about it, like,

1296
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,780
does anybody give a shit about Nicholas Cage Wicker Man?

1297
01:07:27,980 --> 01:07:30,780
Like, like if you're like, if you had to delete one movie

1298
01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:34,280
from the existence of like the world, it was Wild at Heart

1299
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,580
or Wicker Man. You keep Wild at Heart.

1300
01:07:36,580 --> 01:07:38,240
I mean, I think we're going to debate that.

1301
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,680
But I do think to your point, like one like one has a much more

1302
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,680
cultural effect on the cinematic landscape.

1303
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:47,640
Like if the Library of Congress was like, hey, we're full.

1304
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,200
We can only let one of you in.

1305
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,080
Have enough room for Wicker Man or Wild at Heart.

1306
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:55,200
Yeah. Yeah. That's a tough one because the memes alone.

1307
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:56,680
Good point.

1308
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,680
Could could we exist in a world that didn't have not the bees?

1309
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,980
Well, also, the memes sort of do that back to the future fade out thing.

1310
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:05,680
And we just have to watch them go away.

1311
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,000
No, no.

1312
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,680
And you remember them, but you can never point at it again.

1313
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,180
Exactly. So empty.

1314
01:08:13,180 --> 01:08:15,000
So I think maybe a heart.

1315
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,240
I think it probably is a lot more means that we think it does.

1316
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,200
Like it just is so old and it was pretty sure.

1317
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,880
So maybe my job leaving here,

1318
01:08:23,900 --> 01:08:27,540
if I think about why I was brought in, is to start bringing Wild at Heart

1319
01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:28,580
memes forward.

1320
01:08:28,580 --> 01:08:31,100
So I think there's just enough and there's probably 50.

1321
01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:32,580
I could cut out really, really easily.

1322
01:08:32,580 --> 01:08:33,880
Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

1323
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,500
And the guitar sound.

1324
01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:36,600
Certainly, you know.

1325
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,780
Yeah. Brown, brown, brown, brown.

1326
01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:42,280
Choke, choke, choke, choke, choke.

1327
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,980
Incredible. What a great soundtrack. Absolutely.

1328
01:08:46,140 --> 01:08:49,440
When I'm always going to talk about it because I fucking love it.

1329
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,140
When they're at that first Power Mad show and

1330
01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:55,840
like you guys got some real good energy,

1331
01:08:56,700 --> 01:08:59,940
just like Big E, Big E.

1332
01:09:00,300 --> 01:09:02,280
Let me know if you follow this one.

1333
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,400
And like one note into the song, they're like, Oh, yeah, we know this Elvis song.

1334
01:09:06,440 --> 01:09:07,580
Yeah, it's just wild.

1335
01:09:07,580 --> 01:09:10,280
The thing that I asked Peter and I watched this last night and I was just like,

1336
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,580
OK, Peter's like, it's weird that this band knows it.

1337
01:09:13,900 --> 01:09:17,180
And my thought was, it's weird that the people who paid money for this show

1338
01:09:17,180 --> 01:09:18,100
are into it.

1339
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:20,440
Well, they're screaming like it's Elvis show.

1340
01:09:20,780 --> 01:09:23,400
It's like that is that girl scream like the Beatles got.

1341
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:24,440
And it's yeah.

1342
01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:25,640
So that's the fantasy thing.

1343
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,700
Like that is a totally that is a that is a 16 year old sitting in a trailer

1344
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:31,940
smoking cigarettes he stole from his mom.

1345
01:09:31,940 --> 01:09:36,200
Playing with his guitar, fantasizing about singing Elvis

1346
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,300
and everybody being way into it.

1347
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:39,780
Yeah, just breaking down the show.

1348
01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:43,380
Oh, yeah. And like the show and just lying to his friends about it.

1349
01:09:43,380 --> 01:09:45,040
Like that was that was the whole movie.

1350
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,380
Yeah. Next thing you know, he's having sex on a bed with the assault rifles

1351
01:09:48,380 --> 01:09:51,680
and skin bags and skin, which OK.

1352
01:09:51,900 --> 01:09:55,440
Now, I've never like specifically fantasized about that.

1353
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,340
But part of it sounds pretty cool.

1354
01:09:57,340 --> 01:09:58,400
Yeah, I know. That's the thing.

1355
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,440
It's like, well, I mean, like he's not wrong.

1356
01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:02,240
Yeah, like, sure. OK.

1357
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,760
But like maybe two or three assault rifles and like they don't be loaded.

1358
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,440
Sure. Actually, probably best if they're not.

1359
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:11,800
I mean, you'd want to move them off to the side, wouldn't you?

1360
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,900
No. How do you go and check that clip before we do this?

1361
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:18,560
No, I want to like have to rearrange shit mid sex.

1362
01:10:21,500 --> 01:10:23,460
Your gun is digging into my hip. Yeah.

1363
01:10:25,860 --> 01:10:28,000
Yeah. I mean, that's fine.

1364
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,160
It's just just fancy. It's so much fun to this is like that.

1365
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,460
That's what that's what gives it its permission to be as dark as it is,

1366
01:10:34,460 --> 01:10:39,000
is that at some point, it's just that this is all in like the like the id.

1367
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,600
And it's just this like flow and it can't stop.

1368
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:43,800
You know, it's just like a fantasy that's building on itself.

1369
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,600
And then the good witch comes down for some reason.

1370
01:10:46,700 --> 01:10:48,460
Yeah. Oh, she's a bad actress.

1371
01:10:48,460 --> 01:10:50,740
Do you hated her in Twin Peaks?

1372
01:10:50,740 --> 01:10:52,560
I don't know why David Lynch likes her.

1373
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,860
I think it's because she's a bad actress.

1374
01:10:53,860 --> 01:10:56,500
I think David Lynch just wants oddities to.

1375
01:10:56,500 --> 01:10:57,960
Yeah, like he loves an oddity.

1376
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,000
Person. She just looks like a normal girl.

1377
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,100
Pretty odd. No. Well, fair enough.

1378
01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:05,900
There is probably just a rolodex of people who are like,

1379
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,700
Oh, yeah, I'm free on Thursday. I'll come on down.

1380
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:10,020
I mean, yeah, that was to do this.

1381
01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:12,360
I was we're not going to really fit you for this dress.

1382
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:13,200
You're just going to put it on.

1383
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:14,960
We're going to we're going to put you on some wires

1384
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,520
and you're going to say these lines.

1385
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:17,920
Yeah. You're going to read these from a cue card.

1386
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,120
You're a wild at heart.

1387
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:26,100
Yeah, the inclusion of the Wizard of Oz stuff

1388
01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:30,100
still kind of gets me because it's not in the actual stories.

1389
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:33,060
Right. And it's just sort of out there.

1390
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:35,300
Like, what makes that the choice?

1391
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:36,620
Well, it's just so heavy handed, too.

1392
01:11:36,620 --> 01:11:39,520
It's not like it's like a subtle like homage to the Wizard of Oz.

1393
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,860
They just keep mentioning it and just pulling the rules from it.

1394
01:11:42,860 --> 01:11:44,720
It has nothing story.

1395
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,600
Well, that is to connect it.

1396
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,860
It's not like they're on the way of a way and ending.

1397
01:11:48,860 --> 01:11:51,060
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1398
01:11:51,060 --> 01:11:53,700
I think the only tie in to like the real thing

1399
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:57,420
or the rest of the movie is Bobby Peru mentioning Toto.

1400
01:11:57,420 --> 01:11:58,460
I think it was Bobby.

1401
01:11:58,460 --> 01:12:00,560
No, it was the guy who played a racer head.

1402
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,520
Oh, that's right. Yeah.

1403
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,260
When I said I had a dog, you pictured a dog.

1404
01:12:06,260 --> 01:12:10,360
So that's that's like a beautiful lynch moment.

1405
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,160
Or like all the Texas people sitting out there having conversations

1406
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:14,900
like nobody's talking to each other.

1407
01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:17,900
They're just like speaking past each other for everything.

1408
01:12:17,900 --> 01:12:18,820
It's yeah.

1409
01:12:18,820 --> 01:12:22,020
The characters on the side of the movie,

1410
01:12:22,020 --> 01:12:26,200
like everybody in the background just really, really tickles me throughout.

1411
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,060
From, you know, the Texas size porno being shot.

1412
01:12:29,060 --> 01:12:33,420
Yeah. The guy who just like squawks at the bar. Del.

1413
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:35,820
It definitely feels like a lived in world

1414
01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:38,520
and where there's just more going on than the immediate. Yeah.

1415
01:12:39,020 --> 01:12:42,220
They it's fun because like Roger Ebert hates David Lynch.

1416
01:12:42,220 --> 01:12:45,500
But although he came around near the end, I think, but he like

1417
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:49,060
he hated this movie like, but he calls out a scene.

1418
01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:51,700
And I when I watched it this time around, I really paid attention.

1419
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:54,700
It's where they blow the guy's hand off near the end of the robbery.

1420
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,920
Oh, yeah. And they're like just comic amounts of blood.

1421
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,120
And they're kind of like sloshing around in it.

1422
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,260
And the other guy's going, they can sell them back on now.

1423
01:13:03,260 --> 01:13:04,920
They can do that. It's going to be OK.

1424
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,300
And the dog has it in his mouth

1425
01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:09,760
and like runs off, which apparently is like a reference to like a

1426
01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:12,060
a Japanese film or something like that.

1427
01:13:12,060 --> 01:13:14,300
But like, it's just of course. Yes.

1428
01:13:14,300 --> 01:13:18,440
But it's just like I like I that is the type of thing

1429
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:22,200
that I'm looking for out of his movies, which is like cutting the tension,

1430
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:26,140
cutting it because I mean, right after Willem Dafoe, like blows his head off.

1431
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:27,200
And I got an incredible.

1432
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:31,840
So that almost got this movie a an X rating. Oh, yeah.

1433
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,200
So it was right. It's pretty graphic.

1434
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:34,600
Yeah, it is pretty gross.

1435
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:35,800
That was the last moment.

1436
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:40,040
But the the MPAA, they added smoke post and post production.

1437
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,140
So you didn't see it come off.

1438
01:13:41,140 --> 01:13:42,780
Apparently the original is much more violent.

1439
01:13:42,780 --> 01:13:44,640
You just saw it pop right off, right off.

1440
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,580
And they were like, X rating. You did it, buddy.

1441
01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:47,940
And they're like, all right, we'll put smoke there.

1442
01:13:47,940 --> 01:13:50,180
Apparently that was like the.

1443
01:13:50,180 --> 01:13:52,980
I do love this stocking trailing behind.

1444
01:13:52,980 --> 01:13:55,540
Yeah, yeah. It's all.

1445
01:13:56,340 --> 01:13:59,940
I would love to like take a movie and push it right over the edge

1446
01:14:00,180 --> 01:14:03,080
and then just get the censor's notes and be like, all right,

1447
01:14:03,380 --> 01:14:08,840
what can we do that has the least impact on the wildness of the film

1448
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:12,040
to get it just into like mass marketing?

1449
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,240
I mean, I think you need to see the new Toxic Avenger film.

1450
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:16,680
Dude, apparently that's unreleasable.

1451
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,600
The guys who created the first American pie, the director of that,

1452
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,500
he was talking on the blank check podcast and he was talking about how

1453
01:14:24,140 --> 01:14:28,800
they had to get down to like remove one thrust from a pie fucking.

1454
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:30,240
And they're like, that'll do it.

1455
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,480
That'll put you back to an hour. So awesome.

1456
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:36,300
But this is the South Park story, too, like the original South Park movie.

1457
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:39,480
I don't I don't remember what the title was, but there's a bigger, longer on cut.

1458
01:14:39,540 --> 01:14:41,380
Well, that was the one that was the compromise.

1459
01:14:41,380 --> 01:14:43,700
They had another one they submitted like absolutely not.

1460
01:14:43,700 --> 01:14:44,980
It's too sexual.

1461
01:14:44,980 --> 01:14:47,940
And they came back with this one and they were like, well, bigger, longer

1462
01:14:47,940 --> 01:14:49,300
and uncut significantly.

1463
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:50,840
So they were like, this is much worse.

1464
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:51,840
They're going to give us the first one.

1465
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,300
They were like, perfect. Nailed it.

1466
01:14:53,300 --> 01:14:55,780
It's like, this is so arbitrary.

1467
01:14:56,240 --> 01:15:00,500
Yeah. Well, they had trouble with the fractured but whole also.

1468
01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:02,580
Yeah, true. It's a great game.

1469
01:15:02,580 --> 01:15:05,740
Yeah. You can soft lock that game really easily.

1470
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,040
Yeah. What does that mean?

1471
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,140
Where you were like, you can't get you don't get soft.

1472
01:15:11,140 --> 01:15:14,100
I got to stop agreeing with stuff so quickly.

1473
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:14,900
Wait, what?

1474
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:18,680
There's a when you get like your second power, if you if you go the stealth route

1475
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,940
or like the ninja route,

1476
01:15:20,940 --> 01:15:23,780
the when you're supposed to use your like super move to like finish the tutorial,

1477
01:15:23,780 --> 01:15:24,940
it doesn't give you enough power to do it.

1478
01:15:24,940 --> 01:15:27,000
And you cannot complete the tutorial.

1479
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,140
It just breaks the game where you can't get out of the tutorial section.

1480
01:15:30,580 --> 01:15:33,140
And if you say right before there, your entire game's gone.

1481
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:34,980
So take note, listeners.

1482
01:15:34,980 --> 01:15:36,180
Yeah. Don't get soft locked.

1483
01:15:36,180 --> 01:15:38,300
Don't get soft locked in only get hard.

1484
01:15:38,300 --> 01:15:40,980
Hard luck. Hard luck all the time.

1485
01:15:40,980 --> 01:15:44,500
This movie is still really, really tickles me all the way through

1486
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:47,740
just because every scene seems very full.

1487
01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:52,740
Like there's an amount of content that you just consistently get throughout it.

1488
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:57,040
And so much of it is just also jarring.

1489
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,880
The transitions from scene to scene are something

1490
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,840
catching fire or somebody screaming or like everything is just like

1491
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,100
and we're somewhere else and we're somewhere else.

1492
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:11,140
And with my aggressive ADD, it's incredible because it keeps me focused down.

1493
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:13,140
So it's like, oh, I can't look away.

1494
01:16:13,140 --> 01:16:15,300
I can't get like lost in a thought.

1495
01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:19,540
But the characters are weird and they keep my attention.

1496
01:16:19,780 --> 01:16:22,140
It it turns me around and I like it.

1497
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,140
Peter and I were talking about it before, like we started watching last night about

1498
01:16:25,140 --> 01:16:27,700
it's like neither one of us is super into David Lynch.

1499
01:16:28,140 --> 01:16:30,000
And I've enjoyed this movie every time I watched it.

1500
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,600
And I'm glad we watched in the theater the first time we watched it.

1501
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:35,640
But kind of going back and watching it for the

1502
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:40,040
I mean, I guess my fourth time now, but I forget so much of this film.

1503
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,860
Like I remember the large the broad strokes.

1504
01:16:41,860 --> 01:16:44,640
I remember the like through line, but I forget all the little vignettes

1505
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:45,660
and all the little characters.

1506
01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:48,200
And I'm always surprised and happy to see those again.

1507
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,700
Crispin Glover, who I always remember is in this movie,

1508
01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:52,760
but I always forget how weird that scene is.

1509
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,900
And it does have the energy of a car crash.

1510
01:16:56,140 --> 01:17:00,040
It actually seems more has the energy of the car crashes in the Blues Brothers

1511
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,260
because it just keeps coming and it doesn't stop.

1512
01:17:02,260 --> 01:17:05,660
And when you think it's finally done, the one cop car falls from the sky

1513
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:07,960
and I'm here for it.

1514
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,340
So why do you think this movie should go through

1515
01:17:10,340 --> 01:17:15,340
where it sits as like a film itself is like it's like a hugely significant movie.

1516
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:17,140
You know, it kind of ushers in.

1517
01:17:17,140 --> 01:17:20,740
It's part of that group that ushers in like the next wave of like 90s movies,

1518
01:17:20,740 --> 01:17:25,640
you know, so we're getting out of the Spielberg

1519
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:30,400
80s big movie kind of like popcorn movie blockbuster.

1520
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:31,800
And we're like, we're kind of getting sick of that.

1521
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,260
There's a bunch of corporate films.

1522
01:17:33,260 --> 01:17:37,340
And then like at the end of the 80s and 90s, you get like Wild at Heart,

1523
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,860
true romance, you get natural born killers,

1524
01:17:41,300 --> 01:17:44,640
then Reservoir Dog shows up, Pulp Fiction, then we're off.

1525
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,760
Then we're like firmly in the violent grungy 90s era.

1526
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,040
You know, we're making Fight Club.

1527
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,040
We're doing all that kind of fun stuff.

1528
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,140
So as a transition, like this is like Nicolas Cage

1529
01:17:56,700 --> 01:17:59,600
as a part of an ensemble cast, like ushering in an entire

1530
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,840
like new genre of filmmaking.

1531
01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:05,640
It's also maybe on like a cultural level, like again,

1532
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,900
because how it showed up at like festivals and ultimately how it like

1533
01:18:09,260 --> 01:18:10,800
made its way into the consciousness.

1534
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,340
It's one of the most like impactful things I think he's ever been a part of.

1535
01:18:13,660 --> 01:18:17,240
I don't think it's the best Nicolas Cage performance,

1536
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,900
but I think him being able to be like layered into such an erratic

1537
01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:25,740
and insane movie and be the straight man essentially, or like the

1538
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,240
the heart of it to a certain degree, like is is fantastic.

1539
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,640
Because he's usually the wild card or, you know,

1540
01:18:31,940 --> 01:18:33,300
he has all of it on his shoulders.

1541
01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:36,800
And then this one, he's just part of this like massive bouncing chaotic machine.

1542
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,240
And he anchors it really, really well.

1543
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:40,160
It's funny.

1544
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:41,040
It's very physical.

1545
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,140
Maybe physicality wise, it's one of his best.

1546
01:18:43,140 --> 01:18:47,000
I think he's in that lately, like when he gets like, I guess the rocker

1547
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,840
when he goes super action movie, it's not as much fun

1548
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,340
like when he's wiry and spastic.

1549
01:18:51,340 --> 01:18:53,260
So, you know, he's doing karate kicks while listening to

1550
01:18:53,660 --> 01:18:55,800
that heavy metal music and all that kind of fun stuff.

1551
01:18:55,800 --> 01:19:00,200
So I just to summarize, it's a major transitional moment

1552
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,500
for film making in general to be pretentious about it.

1553
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:06,460
But it's also a a thing where he could have gone really, really far,

1554
01:19:06,460 --> 01:19:09,740
but pulled it back to let everybody else go really far.

1555
01:19:09,740 --> 01:19:13,900
So it showed that, you know, he has he has kind of layers and different modalities.

1556
01:19:14,300 --> 01:19:15,840
Go watch weird movies again.

1557
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:21,460
You know, like there's so many like we got the polished like big film blockbuster.

1558
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,300
Like it was crazy to me that you said that you watched this

1559
01:19:25,300 --> 01:19:27,160
in a theater with the other human beings.

1560
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,940
I cannot imagine, you know, when this came out,

1561
01:19:29,940 --> 01:19:33,500
like as I worked in a movie theater for a while and people would just go to movies,

1562
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:36,700
especially 1990, when you couldn't really find out what a movie was about.

1563
01:19:36,700 --> 01:19:37,960
You know what I mean? You just would go.

1564
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,300
You would just go and be like, oh, this I like Nicolas Cage and Diane Lange.

1565
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:44,040
She was my favorite actress when I was a girl and they would just go in.

1566
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,660
And like, I cannot imagine what it was like to just get hit in the face

1567
01:19:47,660 --> 01:19:51,300
with this movie, you know, and like so if anything, it's like plugging the eye.

1568
01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:52,060
It's really fun.

1569
01:19:52,060 --> 01:19:55,560
It's kind of inspired me to go back and like start rewatching,

1570
01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,900
especially the Lynch stuff and a lot of like the more complicated directors

1571
01:20:00,900 --> 01:20:02,660
from the 80s and 90s, especially.

1572
01:20:02,660 --> 01:20:05,260
So that would be my plug is like get back into that stuff

1573
01:20:05,260 --> 01:20:06,360
because it's super, super weird.

1574
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:10,260
But it's also you can see how it informs the big stuff that we all like.

1575
01:20:10,340 --> 01:20:10,840
You know what I mean?

1576
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,440
Like there's a lot of there's a lot of things that happen here.

1577
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:15,300
And this is a genre they don't make anymore.

1578
01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:19,260
They don't make like Bonnie and Clyde, like violent kids on like fucking

1579
01:20:19,260 --> 01:20:21,040
on the edge of the world movies anymore.

1580
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,340
But they seem to make them every two years from like 88 to like 98.

1581
01:20:24,740 --> 01:20:27,060
And so like, yeah, have fun. Go back.

1582
01:20:27,060 --> 01:20:28,900
There's a bunch. Watch True Romance.

1583
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:30,140
Watch Natural Born Killers.

1584
01:20:30,140 --> 01:20:32,300
These are not great movies all the time, but there's some excellent.

1585
01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:33,900
There's a great moments in almost all of them.

1586
01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:36,360
And so, yeah, shit. Well, thanks, Hank.

1587
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,340
Thanks for being here. Thanks a lot. It was fun. Sure.

1588
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,700
If you want to get weird, this is a good movie to get weird on.

1589
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:45,200
I do thoroughly enjoy the weird category of this bracket. Yeah, me too.

1590
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,040
All right, so that was some pretty good conversations there.

1591
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:54,840
I think there's a lot a lot to be said, a lot of merit in both arguments.

1592
01:20:54,840 --> 01:21:02,040
It seems to come down to me for a movie that has like a really bold

1593
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:07,800
performance by Nicolas Cage and a very lackluster world surrounding it

1594
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,720
to a very bold world with not a lack of

1595
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:17,440
luster, but a more reserved and directed Nicholas Cage.

1596
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:21,000
I mean, this goes to I think what we keep going back and forth on.

1597
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,480
What's the metric?

1598
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:23,880
There is no metric, though.

1599
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,840
Unfortunately, we screwed ourselves on that one every time.

1600
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:32,040
Is it about like how cagey Nick Cage is or is it about like the film itself?

1601
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:36,840
Yeah, some of that also is like, oh, which movie would you like to see?

1602
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:42,020
Yeah, some of that also is like, oh, which movie would you rather show somebody?

1603
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:43,880
And they're both great.

1604
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,480
Comfortably, I could show more people with her man.

1605
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:47,620
That's actually a fair point.

1606
01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:51,020
Like it is a more boring movie, but I would feel safer showing.

1607
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,000
It's a more boring movie, but it's also hilarious movie

1608
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,200
if you go into it with the right expectation.

1609
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:57,500
Yeah, for that, like 20 percent.

1610
01:21:57,500 --> 01:21:59,400
Yeah, like I'm never going to show someone the Wicker Man.

1611
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,200
I mean, you're going to love this movie.

1612
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,000
It's going to be outstanding.

1613
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,000
You're like, I'm like, this is going to be weird.

1614
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,100
You're going to go for a ride and you're going to question things.

1615
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:09,340
And I'm like, don't just just watch it.

1616
01:22:09,700 --> 01:22:12,800
Yeah, Caged Dancer John watched both of these movies with me this time.

1617
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,320
And last night, after watching Wild at Heart said,

1618
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,220
Well, those were both pretty boring.

1619
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,920
Oh, ouch.

1620
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:27,560
Every movie has its own kind of audience that I would advise watching it.

1621
01:22:27,700 --> 01:22:32,160
I would probably recommend Wicker Man more to the people.

1622
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,900
I'm unsure of like how cool they are.

1623
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,000
Yeah, they don't have a snakeskin jacket.

1624
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,140
But if I wanted somebody to see something

1625
01:22:40,140 --> 01:22:43,440
that was just going to blow their minds, I would be more inclined

1626
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:46,040
to recommend Wild at Heart.

1627
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,240
Yeah. And if you don't want your mind blown,

1628
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,320
I don't know why I'd be talking to you.

1629
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,220
I mean, I would say Wild at Heart is definitely the better film,

1630
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,460
better directed, better written,

1631
01:22:55,460 --> 01:22:59,120
and is the better performance by Nicolas Cage.

1632
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,920
It's much more consistent and good.

1633
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,800
Right. You just are outside of those like

1634
01:23:06,260 --> 01:23:07,860
the jokes that are on the Internet.

1635
01:23:07,860 --> 01:23:11,400
Yeah. So that's the kind of like a trade off you're getting for that.

1636
01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:16,000
Do I feel like either movie holds more weight than a

1637
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,680
you have to have seen this movie to appreciate Nicolas Cage?

1638
01:23:19,700 --> 01:23:25,380
No, I don't think the couple of jokes we make about Wicker Man

1639
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,320
need anybody to like watch it.

1640
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:33,060
That's a movie that exists outside of itself, like in the zeitgeist of his own

1641
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,160
because we've had the conversation with people like that's the worst movie ever.

1642
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:36,920
And like, have you ever seen it?

1643
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,000
Well, no. Then you don't know.

1644
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,920
Yes, it's far from the worst movie ever.

1645
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,300
It's far from his worst movie.

1646
01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:43,460
It's far from the worst.

1647
01:23:43,460 --> 01:23:45,800
It's far from his mid is either.

1648
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,540
Yeah, it's existing in that like sweet

1649
01:23:49,540 --> 01:23:52,640
43 percent approval rating.

1650
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,340
Well, I think it has like a 15 percent.

1651
01:23:55,340 --> 01:23:58,840
But well, I think that's from people who haven't seen it.

1652
01:23:58,880 --> 01:23:59,980
It's a 43 for us.

1653
01:23:59,980 --> 01:24:03,380
I think what and Darrell kind of pointed out is just like that was just kind of

1654
01:24:03,860 --> 01:24:07,660
the stamp or the start of like that very mid era of Cage.

1655
01:24:07,660 --> 01:24:09,900
And I think this movie gets unfairly lumped into that

1656
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:13,000
because I expected so much worse from the film the first time I saw it.

1657
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,400
And I've enjoyed it every time I've watched it.

1658
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,660
What I'm saying is it's not a bad film and it doesn't deserve to be shat on

1659
01:24:18,660 --> 01:24:20,260
as much as it gets.

1660
01:24:20,260 --> 01:24:23,240
Well, yeah, it's not a bad film, but it's important to remember.

1661
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:24,440
It's not a good film.

1662
01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:26,180
I didn't say it was.

1663
01:24:26,980 --> 01:24:30,720
I just need everybody on the outside to know that we understand.

1664
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:31,820
It's a film.

1665
01:24:31,820 --> 01:24:33,920
They understand it is a film.

1666
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,120
It's one of those films of all time.

1667
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:41,020
I think that Wild at Heart will elicit a much more extreme response

1668
01:24:41,020 --> 01:24:43,960
to it from any viewer, whether they like it or not.

1669
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,460
And they will either love it or hate it.

1670
01:24:46,460 --> 01:24:49,440
There is no I don't think there is a middle ground on that film.

1671
01:24:49,460 --> 01:24:50,200
That's true.

1672
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:54,340
Yeah, I don't think many people walk away from it being like, oh, OK.

1673
01:24:54,540 --> 01:24:56,780
Yeah, like I kind of think about it now as we're getting closer

1674
01:24:56,780 --> 01:24:59,080
to the end of this, you know, we're going to do a head to head

1675
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,520
viewing of these movies, a double feature somewhere locally

1676
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,980
and have people come watch these movies with us and thinking about like

1677
01:25:06,180 --> 01:25:10,020
would Wild at Heart get audience reaction versus Wicker Man?

1678
01:25:10,060 --> 01:25:11,480
I think it really does.

1679
01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:15,220
I think it's a more interesting one to stage a screening of.

1680
01:25:15,460 --> 01:25:18,560
Actually, to tie what you said about it being

1681
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,860
what Daryl said about it being kind of like that

1682
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:27,140
pivoting point in Nicolas Cage's career, where things went to the mid

1683
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:32,400
and what Tank said about being a pivotal point in film

1684
01:25:32,700 --> 01:25:36,540
where a lot of film was changing into this kind of like

1685
01:25:36,740 --> 01:25:42,280
hyper graphic, like fantasy testosterone driven stories.

1686
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,620
One of those outcomes is more interesting

1687
01:25:46,620 --> 01:25:50,320
if we have to talk about like impact impact on cinema in general.

1688
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,920
Yeah, I think my bias is clear.

1689
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:57,060
So, yeah, like Tank said, it's a much more kind of sedate

1690
01:25:57,060 --> 01:25:59,160
and grounding role for Nicolas Cage.

1691
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,540
I think we forget over time.

1692
01:26:01,900 --> 01:26:05,940
Most people have forgotten how good an actor he can be.

1693
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:08,900
I mean, Pig isn't a over the top performance.

1694
01:26:08,900 --> 01:26:12,380
It is a very, yeah, down to performance in a weird world.

1695
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,720
Not as weird as this, but it still kind of has that.

1696
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,900
It has its own rules. It has its own rules.

1697
01:26:17,900 --> 01:26:21,400
So, I mean, by that metric, I think it's a better performance.

1698
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:25,100
And I think Wild at Heart deserves to be in the final

1699
01:26:25,740 --> 01:26:27,340
the final rounds. The Master Eight.

1700
01:26:27,340 --> 01:26:30,180
Yeah, obviously, I agree.

1701
01:26:30,180 --> 01:26:31,600
Sorry, Daryl.

1702
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,740
Yeah, I know. I mean, like I appreciate Daryl's efforts, but.

1703
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,980
We fought a war to not have to listen to that accent anymore.

1704
01:26:37,980 --> 01:26:44,900
I love those conspiracy theories or truths. Yeah.

1705
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:47,600
Those deep truths.

1706
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,460
Wild at Heart is just such a terrific film.

1707
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,200
It's a terrific ride to go on.

1708
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,740
And if you want to like see film

1709
01:26:56,740 --> 01:27:01,340
that's not produced the way you watch film now,

1710
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,380
this is a good piece of cinema to go back and be like,

1711
01:27:04,580 --> 01:27:06,480
people did some weird ass shit.

1712
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:09,760
Maybe if there's enough interest in it, we see some weird ass shit again.

1713
01:27:10,260 --> 01:27:14,020
I mean, I would love to see weird shit done by modern.

1714
01:27:14,420 --> 01:27:15,700
I mean, like, look at Mandy.

1715
01:27:15,700 --> 01:27:17,500
That's some weird shit. Yeah.

1716
01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:19,100
And that's modern. And that's good.

1717
01:27:19,100 --> 01:27:21,900
I would love to see more shit like Mandy.

1718
01:27:22,060 --> 01:27:22,940
Yep. Yeah.

1719
01:27:22,940 --> 01:27:25,700
I feel like there's a real issue with the industry right now.

1720
01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:28,040
We don't need to get into this too deeply, but it's just like

1721
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,240
everything has to make a billion dollars.

1722
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,480
It's got to be an avatar. It's got to be a marvel.

1723
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:33,640
You know, it's got to be all these things.

1724
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,280
It's like there should still be a space for a buddy comedy.

1725
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:41,120
There should be a space for this kind of thing, you know, where it's like,

1726
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:41,780
that's weird.

1727
01:27:41,780 --> 01:27:44,660
And I spent, you know, 90 minutes or whatever it is,

1728
01:27:44,660 --> 01:27:47,220
having a great fucking time and I'm thinking about it.

1729
01:27:47,220 --> 01:27:49,960
Well, I feel like Nick Cage is at a point in his career again,

1730
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,300
where that's what he's doing, because I'm just looking at the poster up there.

1731
01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:57,300
Pig is weird. Mandy weird color out of space.

1732
01:27:57,500 --> 01:28:01,280
Weird, not big box office films, but, you know, someone out there

1733
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,200
still making these movies and they're casting Nick Cage in them.

1734
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:04,840
Right. Yeah. Yeah. He's tied to it.

1735
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:06,740
You're right. And that's a really cool fucking thing.

1736
01:28:06,740 --> 01:28:09,180
You know, you think about this guy who's been a megastar

1737
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:13,080
and he's he's hitching his horse to what we're talking about,

1738
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,080
which is like, let's make movies fucking fun and interesting again.

1739
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,380
They don't have the weight of massive talent.

1740
01:28:18,380 --> 01:28:19,920
Long legs, dream scenario.

1741
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:20,860
All these things. You're right.

1742
01:28:20,860 --> 01:28:21,620
About long legs.

1743
01:28:21,620 --> 01:28:25,500
It's incredible how much of a lasting impact.

1744
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:29,120
Like, I still talk to people online who are like, yeah, I love it.

1745
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,960
I keep going back to watching it and it's like, fuck yeah, dude.

1746
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:33,900
Yeah, it's great. It's weird. It's a weird choice.

1747
01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:35,660
It's a weird performance.

1748
01:28:35,660 --> 01:28:39,060
And we don't get a lot of film for that niche.

1749
01:28:39,340 --> 01:28:40,700
I'm glad Nicholas Cage is doing it.

1750
01:28:40,700 --> 01:28:44,240
It's cool to have someone with clout like he has backing that kind of stuff.

1751
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:47,140
It's like, here's hoping we get more of it.

1752
01:28:47,900 --> 01:28:50,140
All right. Wild at heart. Wild at heart.

1753
01:28:50,140 --> 01:28:52,340
Very enthusiastic. Wild at heart.

1754
01:28:55,180 --> 01:28:57,360
Yeah. If you want to support us, thank you for listening.

1755
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,420
We are on social media at Cage underscore match underscore pod.

1756
01:29:00,420 --> 01:29:02,420
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1757
01:29:02,420 --> 01:29:05,700
If you do want to give us money, which is a wild thing to do,

1758
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:09,160
we will put this in your heart. Yeah. Trust your heart.

1759
01:29:09,460 --> 01:29:11,260
I'm going to make a T-shirt, I think.

1760
01:29:11,260 --> 01:29:12,700
Well, I'm going to make a couple of T-shirts.

1761
01:29:12,700 --> 01:29:15,540
Some of them are going to be more appropriate or inappropriate than others.

1762
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:20,040
But special thanks to our Sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico,

1763
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,720
Matt, Adam and Bill, and to our cage dancers, Ira, John, Freeman,

1764
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,980
Lance and Nathan and Cameron. Sorry, Cameron.

1765
01:29:26,980 --> 01:29:28,880
I almost fucked it up. I don't have anything else.

1766
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:30,200
Bye. Bye.

1767
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:38,240
Bye. Bye.

1768
01:29:41,820 --> 01:29:42,820
Oh, here we go.

1769
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:44,720
Who knows?

1770
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:49,560
It just needed to go for all the listeners.

1771
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:53,060
The the the hum or the crackle

1772
01:29:53,060 --> 01:29:55,360
that's been in our ears for the last 45 minutes just stopped.

1773
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,360
So I kind of miss it. Yeah.

1774
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,640
Yeah. It's like when the hiccups go away. Yeah.

1775
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,300
Yeah. Exactly.

1776
01:30:01,300 --> 01:30:02,200
Shake the table.

1777
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:02,940
All right.

1778
01:30:02,940 --> 01:30:05,480
Now I'm concerned that the humming's left our headphones

1779
01:30:05,480 --> 01:30:07,420
and just entered the recording.

1780
01:30:07,420 --> 01:30:30,280
Stop everything. Check the recording.