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What you are listening to is real. The participants are not actors. They are real people with a case pending in Podcast Court.

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Hello, I'm Producer Peter and welcome to Cage Match, colon, a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage, colon, Podcast Court.

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Today's case is between a man who only wears grody union suits and one who legitimately named a child Cinderella.

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Oh God.

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Oh my God.

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How you been, Evan? Long time no see.

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I've been better, you know, working and living and working in L.A. and the entertainment industry is not exactly

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in a good spot right now for anybody.

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But I mean, you can take a page out of Joaquin Phoenix's book and go work in the old pornography show.

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You know what? I just might do that.

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I might just go and hang out in the old, the classically, the classic Hollywood porn strip.

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I hear the name Max, California is available.

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Yeah, I mean, he's dead. So you can definitely use that.

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You heard it here first.

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Spoilers. Yeah. Yeah. I like your microphone.

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I'm sure Meredith updated you that we're trying to get a podcast off the ground, too.

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And this was a loner mic from a good friend of mine who knows a lot of audio stuff.

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So I said, give me a compressor mic. And he said, I got one.

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Have you licked it? Yep. Stuck it in my butt.

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You got to claim it that way. Nice. You double dip it.

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There's many ways to claim them.

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That's why he's a which you max.

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So which one did you do first?

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Well, you got to you got to lick and then stick. Right.

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Yeah. And then might. Yeah. Smart. You never go ask the mouth.

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Sorry, I like to stay wet. Oh, yeah. Freeman listens to this.

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Yep. And he hates anal.

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How do you think is a Jello shot adventure?

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Tell me more about whatever the fuck you're talking about.

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Oh, it's when I was in Portland and I found that I saw that sticker that said eat ass now.

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Yeah, it was it was it wasn't an official sticker.

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It was graffiti. But, you know, keep it classy Portland.

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And I shared that to the cage chat. And I'm like, this one's for Freeman.

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And then you mentioned that, you know, he was like seven Jello shots in.

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So, you know, anything could happen.

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You shouldn't do Jello shots through the but but it would go in easier.

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Now, is it like a body shot at that point?

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We are talking about sucking a Jello shot out of somebody's butt.

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No, no, I was thinking more about insertable. Yeah.

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Yeah. You put it in and then you get it out.

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Yeah. Human centipede. Right. It's a enema.

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Yeah. If you put it in one of those ear cleaning bulbs. Yeah.

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And then you squeeze it with your butt.

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You could just like spray somebody right in the face with it.

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It's like vodka. Yeah. Mazel tov.

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Yeah. Hello, Evan. Thanks for joining our podcast.

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Hey, Evan. Welcome to welcome to Cage Match,

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calling around about way of meeting Nicolas Cage.

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I'm Sean here with my co-host Nick and our producer Peter. Hello.

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And this week we have another special guest, my former brother-in-law, Evan.

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Hi, Evan. Hello, I'm Evan.

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Former brother-in-law and current stranger to us.

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Two of us. We wiped our memory as soon as the family relation ended.

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That's smart. That's what you have to do.

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Ideally, that's how all breakups work.

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It involves lots of Jello shots from the butt.

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That's the way that you lose your memory.

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Evan, tell us a little bit about you.

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Relationships to movies, industry, anything.

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I thought you were just like relationships, how tall you are.

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What's your swang and and danging?

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That's a that's a it's a tall family. I'll tell you that.

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Artist and a filmmaker.

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If you were to write one piece of Nicolas Cage fan fiction,

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what would be just like your elevator pitch on it?

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Whatever it is, it has to involve him screaming a lot.

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So I like that maybe he's an old man and he's going deaf and

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just honorary grandpa Nicolas Cage, honorary grandpa Nicolas Cage.

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And it turns out he has to save the world.

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He has one piece of information that nobody else does.

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He's a former CIA agent and but he's old.

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And through the course of the action, he loses his hearing aid.

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So he has to yell at everybody and everybody can hear him just fine.

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All right. I was going to say this sounds like dying of the light.

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Everyone else is just like, we can sir.

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So Dying of the Light is a movie where he's like a CIA analyst trying to track down a terrorist from when he was like in the field.

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He's got dementia. And one of the side effects that they state early on is wild mood swings.

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So we're like, yes, we're going to get some great unhinged cage.

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Sweepy. So like mild mood swing.

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You know, Nick Cage, ride or die.

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Let's see. What was the first movie I ever watched? Nicholas Cage.

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What was the first movie I remember as the kid as a kid?

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I watched The Rock a lot. We had the VHS and watched it over and over.

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It's probably one of the best action films ever made.

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And that's where that's where we get the line.

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Oh, my God. What is it? Let's just let's quit the chit chat.

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The whole I love that one.

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I don't know. Like so since then, I've just been like Nick Cage.

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Keep Cajun it up. Always loved him as an actor.

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having to repossess his islands to pay his mortgages or whatever happened to him.

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You sell off a castle, you know, standard midlife shit. Yeah.

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But I'm all for this upward swing of cage that's been happening over the last.

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He's been kind of on a solid upward trajectory since then, I think.

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Big fan. You know, nobody yells quite like cage.

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Is it a hoot or a holler? It's a holler.

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It's a holler for sure.

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I mean, sometimes, but I think he's mostly a hollerer.

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Caster, Caster Troy hooted. Oh, he hoots.

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There's a time and a place for a hoot.

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We can't get away from mass play this episode.

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I don't think we can ever get away from mass play.

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We are millennials. Yeah. It keeps giving the gift that keeps giving.

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Can't afford groceries. Got all these student loans.

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So we've watched these films now at least twice.

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This will be our third viewing, but we've watched most of these more than that.

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And we right now are going to discuss the feel good film of what year?

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I've already forgotten.

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We're professional podcasters.

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Peter will edit this out.

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Maybe eight millimeter Joel Schumacher in 1998.

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Like, I mean, I know it exists, but starring Rickles age. Yeah.

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Oh, Peter. I felt great. I don't sound dumb.

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I got you. Don't worry. Don't worry.

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You've been muted the whole time.

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Evan, you want to give us a quick rundown about what this movie is about?

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So Nick Cage, a.k.a. Tom Wells, is a private investigator working for the elite of Washington, D.C.

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But he's still trying to get his big break, which I guess is a thing that you are looking for when you're a private investigator in Washington, D.C.

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He gets a big call from a lady, an old lady at a mansion who realizes she has a eight millimeter,

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which appears to be a snuff film of a young woman getting beaten and murdered.

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She just wants to know that her this was a in her husband's safe,

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and she just wants to make sure that this is not real, that her husband was a good, moral, upstanding rich person,

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which, as we all know, is what all rich people are in their heart of heart.

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They're the best.

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So Tom Wells goes on a mission to track down whether or not the eight millimeter film reel is real or not.

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It is the only one in existence.

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We discover the name of the possible victim and he meets her mother,

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because every line in this movie seems to be kind of delivered in a very strict monotone that everybody sort of adheres to throughout the movie.

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Oh, that's professionalism.

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You know, he can really go ostentatious when he needs to.

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What happens after he trail runs him to Hollywood, California, as everyone knows, the den of sin and disgusting pornography.

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They're in California at a local pornography video store. He meets Max California, a.k.a. Joaquin Phoenix in a very early role pre gladiator.

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I think Max becomes his sidekick, which I just love that he has a he has to have a pornography sidekick.

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Sherpa, really? Yeah, a porn sherpa. Yeah.

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And Tom continues to go deeper and deeper into the seedy underworld of trying to find out the legitimacy of snuff films, tracking them down.

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Eventually, he discovers Eddie Poole played by James Gandolfini, my favorite character in the whole movie.

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Yeah, good pick. So good.

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Also, then he begins to tap his phone and finds out that the trail is leading to New York, where Peter Storm air.

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You know, velvet, you know, that there's a big showdown in a warehouse.

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There's some piece of evidence that reveals that indeed this girl was murdered.

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I was very delirious by this time in the movie, but I knew that he was very mad at these men for doing very bad things.

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And then the crossbow got the lawyer cross.

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But the lawyer shot Dino, who should have died more cinematically.

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That's right. And Nicholas Cage ran away.

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And the machine got stabbed in the stomach. Gandolfini.

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It was fucking mayhem. Listen, Chris.

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Chris Bauer doesn't have a stomach. He has a tummy.

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He tracks him to his home and then he takes him to the place that they murdered the girl.

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And then he that's when he actually is the first time he actually has to decide whether or not he's going to kill this guy.

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Anybody that he's feeling so much pent up anger and rage at the injustice of it all.

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And guess what? Eventually, he does. He smashes his skull in with the butt of his gun.

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And then he pours pornography all over poor James Gandolfini before lighting him on fire.

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I'm sure it was the really good stuff, too. Hey, man.

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You got to bring your good stuff at that point.

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You don't expect the house help to leave your porn alone.

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Of this entire movie, The Machine's House. Sorry.

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The Machine's. Now, that was an interesting turn.

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I thought when they were just like, well, guess what?

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The big bad guy in this just is just psycho. Just there's no reason.

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He just likes killing people. And yeah, that's our thesis.

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Like some people are just disgusting and evil.

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Yeah, because there's three rules in this world.

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There's always a victim. Don't be in. What about the third one?

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I forgot what the third was. Har har har.

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We quoted the movie and he did. Good job. Yeah.

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We're professionals. Yeah.

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I just don't understand how the machine was so aware of Wells's presence in the house.

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That's not true. I love Daddy. I love it.

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It's with no liquor. I could name a few.

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Yeah, he only likes effects twin and Danzig, though.

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I know that for a fact. The Danzig posters were very quoted like Danzig fans are psychopaths.

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Oh, thanks. Movie. Now I know.

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They did not dig deep at all.

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They could have given us like some skinny puppy posters or a classic hang in there cat.

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Yeah, one of those. It's a sad one. Yeah. Yeah.

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Like they killed the cat. Right. Hang in there. Hang in there.

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Well, yeah. Oh, no. The old free cat balloon.

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Evan, had you seen this movie before or was this your first real go through on it?

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This is the I'd heard about this movie before.

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And I the only thing I knew about it was that it was considered one of Nicholas Cage's darker movies

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and that I was pretty sure it involved snuff films.

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So I feel like I got a decent teaser of it.

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I know this is the first time I've actually watched it all the way through.

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It was really it really brought me back to like I just love a 90s thriller.

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This one's definitely a little bit darker than what a lot of them are.

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But there's just something so nostalgic about those movies like Primal Fear.

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And, you know, they usually involve like a lawyer or something or somebody caught up in a government scheme.

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But they just have a patina of like maybe it's the film stock.

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You know, but like, well, there were no superhero movies, right?

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So we were just like, well, what John Grisham novel are we going to turn into a movie?

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So and that was that was the flavor of an adult movie back then.

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And yeah, I remember thinking, hmm, I feel this this movie made me I am an adult,

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but it made me feel like an adult again, like when I was a kid thinking one day I would be an adult.

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So you watch this movie and you're like, fuck, I just grew up again.

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Exactly. Life got worse.

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The truth. Yeah.

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The weight of this world now rests upon my shoulders.

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Anyone else remember being a kid, being like one day I'll be an adult.

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And then you realize that nobody's an adult. No one's in charge.

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It's all chaos. Anything. Parents are a fallacy.

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You just got to keep saying you're in charge and eventually you're in charge.

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It's working so far. A certain dominance by just claiming it.

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So what are your feelings on Joel Schumacher? And this can be open forum.

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I am not a huge fan, but I get why he's important.

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I was thinking about his his legacy as I was watching this movie

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and just realizing what a weird continuum of films this dude has made.

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So he he didn't direct this, but he wrote the script for The Wiz.

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Have you heard of The Wit? Do you know the way is? Of course. Yeah.

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Yeah. Incredible movie. But he wrote this.

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The Power Glove. No, not the Power Glove. Oh, wait, no.

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It's the Michael Jackson. Oh, no. The Wizard of Oz.

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Oh, God. What am I thinking of?

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The Wizard. Not the Wiz. What am I thinking of with?

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I don't know.

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All that came into my brain was Frankie Muniz. And it's like, nope, not him.

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The product, Frankie Muniz. Yeah.

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Just really any, of course, famously did Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.

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He seems like and the number 23 after this movie, which is like also weirdly dark.

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In a way, I wouldn't expect him to go down that road for I don't know.

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I wonder if later in his career, he's going to be reconsidered as like an auteur.

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We just didn't understand. But I think probably not.

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I think he's just like a journeyman. He's like he knows how to make a movie.

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He takes whatever job he can get, you know. But

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didn't he do Lost Boys as well? Yep.

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I mean, I feel like that's kind of the sweet spot for me is Lost Boys.

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And then anything after that, I'm like, I'm not the biggest fan of his Batman movies,

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but you just recently watched them.

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Yes. And they're still terrific. I don't know why.

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They're just like there's so much like modern attempts at Adam West,

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cardboard, bright lights, cities and just absurdity.

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It's nice to just watch a movie like that and be like, wow, somebody approved this.

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And then remember, like Batgirl just got canned by the same studios.

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I'm sure it was the same studios. WB, who knows? Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Wonder Brothers.

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They're doing all kinds of awful stuff these days.

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Just really ruin the pooch every left and right right now.

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You're telling me that rich people do bad shit? For monetary reasons.

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Some of them make enough films. They pay for enough films.

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Nice. They let artists make those.

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Dino Velvet is an artist. Thank you.

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But no, talking about like his Batman movies, that was a weird transitional point in my youth

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because Batman Forever came out. I fucking love that movie as a kid.

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It just I had all the toys. I was really into that film.

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I got it on VHS, watched it constantly.

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The car. Chicks dig the car.

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Like it's such a fun, stupid film.

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And then a couple of years later, Batman and Robin came out.

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And I realized for the first time in my life, movies could be bad.

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I have never watched that entire film. Oh, man. It's terrific.

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Yeah. Although when I'm watching it, I do still have the same thought that I did when I was a kid.

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When Uma Thurman comes on screen, it's like, oh, yeah, puberty can wait.

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I don't need this. She's not.

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It's a terrible performance. They really push her sexiness in it.

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And it's just not their Uma Thurman trying to be really sexy.

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I don't know. Like Drew Barrymore's in like Batman Forever for a second.

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Yeah. She's sugar, sugar and spice.

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Oh, yeah. Two faces, hench, hench bitches.

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Apparently on the set of Batman and Robin every day, Joel Schumacher was yelling through his bullhorn.

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Remember, everybody, this is a comic book.

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No one cares.

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I kind of love that, which explains so much about the movie and how it turned out.

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Definitely like the hornyest latex suit that you can get.

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So many ass shots.

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And then there's that one scene they cut of Val Kilmer fucking the giant bat.

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Wait, is this real? What?

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There's a in Batman Forever, there's a dream sequence that gets cut or like a giant animatronic bat like in Val Kilmer embrace.

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You can find it online. You treat yourself tonight.

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That's how Peter Lowe became a vampire.

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They didn't have the technology when he was making Lost Boys.

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I think a fuckable bat. Yeah.

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I still remember and bring up every time I talk about Batman and Robin when I was in the theater and I Mr.

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Freeze comes out, they turned on the air conditioning and it was so fucking corny and stupid.

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But I was like, hell yeah. Small town, regional, like independent movie theater.

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Really pull out all the stops. I mean, it's immersion, baby.

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They got a single screen. They're going to devote all their attention to it.

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We were doing 4D cinema before it was popular.

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They had just a person come out and throw ice cubes at you.

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Super so in the front row. Yeah.

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As long as we're still on Joel Schumacher, I have a Joel Schumacher story.

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He came to my school once. My buddy was doing a digital video. It was like a film festival.

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He reached out to Joel Schumacher, not expecting him to come through.

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And he did. And so this is a very small film festival with all of our college friends.

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So my friend Sammy is like, oh, my God, you guys, he gets on the megaphone like Joel Schumacher is coming.

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Please don't make an ass of us. You know, he's like, whatever you do, don't ask him about Batman and Robin.

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So he does a screening of Tigerland, which is I think a Vietnam War movie with Colin Farrell in it.

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We watch it and then he's like comes out to do a Q&A. It's very cool.

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It was like, oh, cool, Joe Schumacher, you know, and then this one guy who in the front row who's like, you know,

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he's he's a film student, too, but he's like, you know, like bleach blonde hair surfer guy.

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First one to raise his hand like anybody got questions like, so what's the deal with Batman and Robin?

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And Sammy's like, Motherfuck. So but it was very he was very cool about it.

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He had a great thing to say about it. He was like, you know, sometimes you just get too many cooks in the kitchen,

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especially when a lot of money's involved.

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But I've take full responsibility because it's on my shoulders.

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But I'll just say that there were a lot of people trying to sell action figures behind the scenes on that movie.

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I was like, well, that's a very like metered response.

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He knows what he did and he knows why it happened to.

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Toy addict movies were like a really weird aspect of the late 90s. I mean, that had been going on for so long with like He-Man, G.I. Joe.

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Sure. Yeah. But they weren't they weren't getting feature films.

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Well, and there was a weird part in the 90s. Ninety Ninja Turtles, for sure.

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But there was a weird part in the 90s, like 80s and 90s, where just like if something looked cool,

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we could sell it to kids, even though it's not a kid's property. Robocop had a toy line.

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Aliens had a toy line. They made a Toxic Avenger or Toxic Crusader cartoon show.

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That was a cartoon show. I had a couple of the toys. My mom didn't know any better.

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There was it was on like cable. So it was like very censored.

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But like the Toxic Avenger was on.

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So my my mom was just like, oh, this is that thing Sean likes and put that on for me.

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Did you still like it afterwards? I had questions.

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Robocop, you see somebody like fucking melt or get their brain exploded.

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It's like, oh, boy. OK. Oh, God. Melty guy. The guy gets acid bathed.

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You're talking about Red Foreman from this. He's not the one who gets acid bathed.

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Oh, he doesn't know. But like one of his goons does.

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And that freak that still fucks with me.

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This might be my first time watching eight millimeter,

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but I definitely watched the Saturday morning cartoon adaptation of eight millimeter when I was a child.

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It's true. The toys were terrific.

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Yeah, right. Any pool.

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It's a cigarette that flings from his hand. You know, no, I wasn't smoking.

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Pull the string and gaslight your wife. Right.

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Action figure does it all.

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So what did you think of Cage's overall performance in this film?

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He's riding high at this point in his career. 99. He's in the sweet spot.

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You know, I was I wasn't sure if I was going to be needing to defend this movie or not.

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I was like, you guys put me in a hard spot going up against Pig.

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I'm like, pretty kind of OK movie masterpiece.

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OK, fine. I'll I'll defend eight millimeter. Cool.

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But I will say that I think that post 1995, like he's won his Oscar for leaving Las Vegas.

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Right. So in some movies, he feels a little checked out.

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I would say this one is one of them, at least for the first hour or so.

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I think he really was like doing it for the last 20 minutes.

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He's like got to that part in the script and was like, I want to screw it.

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I want to mess some people up and like grow pornography on people and beat a guy up in the rain.

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Like, that sounds like what I want to spend the next few months getting to, you know.

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So, I don't know, like, I feel like he could honestly, I feel like he could have gone a little bit deeper on the early end.

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Like he kind of just calls his wife a lot for the first half hour of the movie.

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But but when he does get to cage out at the end, I'm like, all right, this is the this is the guy we know.

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I think we need more of this throughout the movie.

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Yeah, I think his adventures with Max California are pretty good.

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Anything before that or it's there's just nothing to it.

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Then you're right, you get that real cage rage to kind of end the entire thing.

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Does any of the film merit any of that? No.

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I feel like we get a legit like holler from him when he's chained to the bed after, you know, when they're going to kill him.

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He's bleeding. He's.

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Is that a holler?

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That's as much energy as I have right now.

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You don't have a holler in you right now.

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No, I don't. But fucking Stormare.

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Oh, Stormare. Oh, he's so good.

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We also had the cameo from I don't know what his name is anymore.

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Walking Dead Guy.

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Oh, Norman Reedus.

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That's right. I forgot.

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I forgot about that. I just watched that.

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He's such like a little fucking bitch boy.

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He is a little bitch.

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But like, I mean, really, he's in jail or prison, like mopping.

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Yeah, like he doesn't give a fuck.

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And you come up to him asking about some ex girlfriend that he hasn't seen.

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And it's like, listen, man, I've got to clean up this fucking blood right now.

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Yeah, don't bother me.

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Yeah, that was a nice little cameo.

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It's always fun to come back to that and be like, oh, man, he looks exactly the same.

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And that's unfortunate.

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So I'm going somewhere with this. I'll tie this back in.

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But last week, I went to Central Cinema for a screening of The Big Lebowski.

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And I forgot that Peter Stormare was one of the Nihilus because I haven't seen them in like 10 years.

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I forgot that, too.

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And I was thinking about that.

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And I'm like, oh, eight millimeter going to watch Peter Stormare again.

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And I just said, I'm like, this guy has like he's been typecast because with that name and that face

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and that voice, you can't do anything but be a creep.

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Yeah. But he does it so well.

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Yeah. I can't imagine like romantic lead Peter Stormare.

428
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Yeah. Like it could happen to you, but it's Peter Stormare in the Rosie Perez role.

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Just Beauty and the Beast. But it's Peter Stormare.

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They need to remake the room. But with Peter Stormare. No.

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I feel like he could do that character justice.

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He's Tommy Wiseau.

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Oh, Peter Stormare. Yes. Oh, Evan, have you seen the core?

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Oh, wait, that's the Hillary Swank one where they have to go and save the world or whatever.

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Oh, my God. No, I restart the world's like the core.

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The core. That word. What's that word?

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I can't think of from the core.

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It starts with the core. Something like work.

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Evan, do yourself a favor. Go watch the core right now.

440
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It's fucking awesome. We'll wait. Yeah. Come back.

441
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000
We'll see you in a few. Yeah.

442
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000
I'll be right there in 10 minutes.

443
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,000
No, you should watch it. It's fucking awesome.

444
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,000
It's so dumb. It's so good. Killer cast.

445
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,000
I love a good dumb movie.

446
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000
Do you have a favorite quote from the film Per Chance?

447
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,000
I do. I think I hemmed in Haan.

448
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:15,000
But I think I decided that I really I think that it sums up the movie perfectly.

449
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,000
And it's and it's the first moment where I feel like Nick Cage gives a delivery where I'm like,

450
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Oh, he's feeling this. He's getting into it. You know, we're starting to see the ramp up.

451
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,000
You killed her. You killed her on film.

452
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,000
Now you're fucked. You're all fucked.

453
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000
He hangs up the phone at a pool.

454
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,000
I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan, too, of Max California's line.

455
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Sir, could I interest you in a badger operated vagina?

456
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
He's so nonchalant about it.

457
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,000
His salesmanship was top notch.

458
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
It was very, very casual.

459
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:53,000
That's character work there. You know, he's like, I've been in this porn shop for a year and a half now.

460
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,000
I'm used to battery operated vaginas.

461
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,000
Cash credit battery operated vagina.

462
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,000
What did you think about the score of this film?

463
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Oh, my God. I was hoping that someone would mention it because I was like, this is incredible.

464
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,000
It's so all over the place and I love it so much.

465
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:20,000
I want to know more about who made the decisions to put all those strange elements together.

466
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:29,000
I think it was a very conscious and ill advised attempt at doing something that orally puts you on edge

467
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,000
and gives you a sense of like uneasiness.

468
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,000
But they started it too early because it was just like right out the bat.

469
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000
It's like, oh, I feel grossed out by this movie.

470
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,000
And it's like the opening like title card.

471
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,000
But at other times, I'm like, oh, OK, I understand.

472
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Like, I think I understand what's like intended by this.

473
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000
But it was just so weird.

474
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
Yeah. The whole movie is like that.

475
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,000
Right. Like the score is maybe one of the better, more concrete examples of it.

476
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:07,000
But just it feels like there's no part of this movie that it want that it wants you to enjoy.

477
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000
You know, like it wants you to be skeezed out the whole time.

478
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:16,000
You're just like, I'm just riding this wave of feeling completely uneasy for like two hours

479
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
and you already are uneasy.

480
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:25,000
And then you get further and further into the like the cesspool of like dirty snuff film creators

481
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:33,000
and, you know, people who deal pornography in an alleyway, which is like such a great movie invention.

482
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,000
There are great character moments in here like Peter Stormare is awesome.

483
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,000
That tall Swedish guy is weird and crazy and great.

484
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,000
I like the mom, too. I felt like she really brought some something to it.

485
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:52,000
The old lady was cool. Like, so if you could give us like a quick pitch, why this one should win

486
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,000
and take pig out of the equation, just like why do you think that this movie kind of fucking slaps?

487
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Eight millimeter is important because it goes a place that most revenge plot movies don't go.

488
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:13,000
It goes deeper than I think it gets at the core of the sort of male repressed ego shadow self.

489
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:20,000
Right. Like we kind of wonder we have all these Hollywood movies that are about killing people

490
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:26,000
righteously, right. Like having a good excuse to murder people because it's sort of a fantasy movie.

491
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,000
It's a thing that we work against that we shouldn't do for good society.

492
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,000
But we know there's an urge in us to sort of like get at other people and kill people.

493
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,000
You know, this movie is one of the first is one of the only movies, I think, in Hollywood cinema

494
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:48,000
that actually explores the concept of what would it actually take for a somewhat normal person

495
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:54,000
to get pushed far enough to actually murder a stranger, someone that they do know.

496
00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:01,000
Most of the time, those conceits are kind of like I felt like it was actually a very realistic ramp up

497
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:08,000
of what it would take for somebody in a position to be like pushed so far to see the bad side

498
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:17,000
and to be exposed to the evil side of humanity to actually go that far to murder someone with their own gun.

499
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Admittedly, he doesn't shoot them. He's still cognizant enough not to kill them.

500
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,000
He doesn't shoot them. He's still cognizant enough not to do that.

501
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,000
But yeah, this is Carl Jung's shadow work. This is his anima.

502
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:37,000
You know, this is his sort of like this is a real dive into the unconscious shadow world of the repressed male ego.

503
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:46,000
And I think it also even goes even farther with the main quote villain, the machine being literally having no reason,

504
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:52,000
no reason for killing anybody. That is what many of us are afraid is at our core,

505
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:58,000
that there's just a psychopathic killing machine underneath us that is waiting to come out, you know.

506
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:04,000
And in the end, like Nicolas Cage, that's to the point where he can actually murder people that he's never met before.

507
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:11,000
And he comes out the other side completely like changed, right? He feels awful about it.

508
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:17,000
And but he but he has also found a way to integrate his his darker nature.

509
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:24,000
And he I would argue I think the film is arguing that he comes out a fuller person from having gone through this.

510
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:36,000
So I think that there's and I so I think this is important to Hollywood moviemaking because it really is no film that explores it to this amount of depth.

511
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:43,000
It's kind of like psychosis of that murderous impulse that we all fear that we have.

512
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:50,000
And I think it does a great job exploring it. And Joel Schumacher is an incredible filmmaker who never makes a mistake.

513
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Perfect. Well, it was nice to see you.

514
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:05,000
I get that reference. As much as I mean, I've said this before, as much as this movie isn't necessarily a fun watch and it is kind of it is uncomfortable.

515
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:14,000
I think it's still a good, well-made film and does have there's I mean, it's been lucky enough to go up against some real stinkers in this bracket.

516
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,000
But I do think it belongs at this level still.

517
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:30,000
I think you hit on something there, too, that I've thought about that this movie does a fair job of we kind of said soiling everything that you might like about it throughout the film.

518
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:38,000
This especially going into the movie, where the different kinds ofxide comes up in this.

519
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:43,000
星 is that I think at the same moment when LMed worked out Natal's for model art we started getting, even so far as like the hero because they let him get to a point where

520
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:49,000
like he's having these like crimes of passion, but then they pull him back and what he does next is now premeditated where he goes back and hunts them

521
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,780
heroism from his actions because he's not like bringing justice.

522
00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:55,240
He's just avenging.

523
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:58,180
Yeah. And I think that's something

524
00:35:58,180 --> 00:36:01,640
I mean, it was a big, big choice they made.

525
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,580
And no matter how effectively they pulled it off,

526
00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:09,140
they did it and you don't get that kind of choice very often.

527
00:36:09,740 --> 00:36:14,100
You want heroes to be heroic and your villains to have press on nails.

528
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,500
And they did press them on hard.

529
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:20,760
Oh, my God. Those things were like seashells.

530
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,960
All right, Evan. Well, thank you for being here with us.

531
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,460
You want to pitch anything or promote anything right now? Sure.

532
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:31,900
You can find me on all the socials at Art of Evan K.

533
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,060
A R T O F E V A N K.

534
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:37,240
The letter K.

535
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:38,940
That's Instagram and YouTube.

536
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:41,940
I'm starting up my own my YouTube channel.

537
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,600
I'm also doing a podcast with my sibling, Brother Sibling Movie,

538
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,960
where we do where we listen.

539
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,900
Sorry, we watch.

540
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:58,940
What do you do to movies where we watch movies or a certain theme?

541
00:36:58,940 --> 00:37:04,300
And then we kind of continue on past those to ones that we have

542
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:07,000
explored later in life that we discovered later in life.

543
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:12,100
So this particular moment in time, we're doing 90s science fiction and fantasy

544
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:13,400
films, and it's a hoot.

545
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,500
Listen, let's talk about some of our favorite movies.

546
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:19,840
And you can also on my website, Art of Evan K.

547
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,700
Dot com. Are you going to watch Weird Science with your sister?

548
00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:25,000
Ooh, maybe Hard Pass.

549
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,100
You know, we didn't watch that one as kids.

550
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:33,000
So I don't so I don't I don't have like a memory of it from childhood.

551
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,440
Unfortunately, I know it's a lot of people's favorite movie,

552
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:41,240
but I do want to do like screwball fantasy comedies of the 80s.

553
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:46,500
Like that would be a good niche subgenre to get into like parkies.

554
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,300
Exactly. Yeah.

555
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,940
Please. God damn it.

556
00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:52,740
I'm just thinking about brother and sister movies.

557
00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:54,540
I don't know. I get it.

558
00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:55,640
All right.

559
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,240
Stripes had a shower scene.

560
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:00,780
We all know how formative stripes was for you. Shut up.

561
00:38:01,340 --> 00:38:03,400
I became a man.

562
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,040
I think we should do a series where we watch uncomfortable movies

563
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,400
with our parents in the room, too, so we could do like Mulholland Drive

564
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,780
and just like just watch a five, no ten minute lesbian sex scene

565
00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:16,480
going super hard with mom in the room.

566
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,480
That would be a lot of fun. Oh, yeah.

567
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:24,280
I talked about this with Meredith just an hour ago, but yet watching

568
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,580
when we Meredith and I watched Blade Runner at your dad's place

569
00:38:28,580 --> 00:38:33,440
and Marta was there and the the very aggressive love scene

570
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:37,480
was an uncomfortable moment for everybody in that room.

571
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,420
Yeah, right.

572
00:38:40,420 --> 00:38:42,840
Where Harrison Ford was given the direction, just make it happen.

573
00:38:44,380 --> 00:38:46,020
That's how I feel every time.

574
00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:48,120
Well, thank you, Evan.

575
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,020
You're very welcome.

576
00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:50,820
Thank you for letting me do it.

577
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:53,920
And a pleasure and an honor and a gentleman.

578
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,320
All right. Thank you so much.

579
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,720
I'm noticing some of the time.

580
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,720
Oh, Nick's full of four Coney dogs right now.

581
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:10,120
Sucking on a chilly dog, a chilly dog.

582
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,720
Man, I fucking love that song.

583
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,680
I think about that a lot.

584
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,920
It gets stuck in my head pretty consistently. Yep.

585
00:39:16,180 --> 00:39:19,480
Right up there with two little dudes trying to send me nudes.

586
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,480
I don't know that one.

587
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:22,620
Send that to me later.

588
00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:25,880
It's not like the lyrics aren't great or anything, but the

589
00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:29,380
the music is like catchy and it just keeps getting stuck in my head.

590
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,740
What's the one you sent fairly recently?

591
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,620
Godzilla's thick ass.

592
00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:35,720
Oh, yeah. I know you sent it to tank in there.

593
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:37,120
Yeah, I don't think I saw this.

594
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,120
It was just in the comic.

595
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:38,980
Yeah. Oh, sure.

596
00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:41,920
And then there's he has another one about how if he went to Hogwarts,

597
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,880
he just solves all his problems with violence.

598
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,740
Yeah. Snap in wands.

599
00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:49,680
My favorite line is about a cadaver, a vada deez nuts.

600
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,480
Oh, I like that.

601
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,080
Hey, so what's your what's your podcast set up since you're one of us now?

602
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,320
Yeah. One of us.

603
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,720
Google Gobble.

604
00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:59,640
I have a microphone.

605
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,880
I have a sound board and I have headphones.

606
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,800
Pants optional.

607
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,740
I am wearing pants.

608
00:40:05,740 --> 00:40:06,640
You've changed.

609
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,000
Which I did almost take off.

610
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,600
But then I was but then I was like, no time.

611
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:14,780
And I will say, though, that an Evan can confirm this.

612
00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:19,980
So I just like bought like a sound card as I was like, this is going to work.

613
00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:21,980
I think I know nothing about audio equipment.

614
00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:22,980
I'm just going to buy it.

615
00:40:22,980 --> 00:40:24,100
Fuck it. Whatever.

616
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:28,880
Mine actually came with pre-programmed sounds in it.

617
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:30,900
Oh, oh, boy.

618
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:32,340
You better believe I'm not.

619
00:40:32,340 --> 00:40:37,380
I'm not going to do it to you guys because it's so horrendous.

620
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,780
These sounds are so bad.

621
00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:41,780
I just get you. Give us a taste. Give us one.

622
00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:43,500
I don't know if we can hear it. Let's try.

623
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:45,200
Maybe not. But yeah, give us.

624
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,380
Not me.

625
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:46,980
I'm.

626
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:51,900
That's kind of fucking tight.

627
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:53,540
Sounds like living above a gay club.

628
00:40:53,540 --> 00:40:57,880
Look, there is there's also what I call the cursed buttons,

629
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,580
which are male voice, female voice, baby voice and monster voice.

630
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,480
And I call them cursed buttons, a because they make you sound like a demon

631
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,880
in various forms, but also once you press them, they can't like be

632
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,520
unpressed without resetting the whole system.

633
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,240
And so I for like 20 minutes was just like stuff using a monster voice.

634
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,320
Please tell me this is your first episode of your podcast.

635
00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:25,540
Press baby voice.

636
00:41:25,540 --> 00:41:28,980
As Evan and I were just like pissing ourselves laughing,

637
00:41:28,980 --> 00:41:32,480
like unable to contain it, because it was like panicking

638
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,920
trying to turn it off.

639
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,680
And it was just like, what the fuck is going on?

640
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:39,980
I'm excited to have both of you plug the same thing at the end of each episode

641
00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:41,440
for each part of this episode.

642
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,840
Yeah. Do you do you have a date for your first episode?

643
00:41:44,340 --> 00:41:46,440
Oh, we call them guests. What?

644
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:48,880
What was the.

645
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,980
Sorry, it was just the best joke this podcast has ever told.

646
00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:55,300
We don't have an official release date for which you can blame Evan.

647
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:56,440
Editor Evan.

648
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,000
Welcome back to Cage magical and around about meeting Nicko's cage.

649
00:41:59,340 --> 00:42:03,840
Our special guest and my favorite person slash ex-spouse, Meredith.

650
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,800
Hi, it's me, Mayor.

651
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Hello, Mayor Morgan, if you're wondering.

652
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,040
That's right. I took their last name.

653
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,980
I think that's a good power grab.

654
00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:16,000
Did you wait until after the divorce papers were signed to take the name?

655
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,700
Oh, no, it's the only reason I'm taking this annexation.

656
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:20,400
It's the only reason they married me.

657
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,600
It's the only reason I married them. Are you kidding me?

658
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,940
I was like, you've got a great last name and a shitty personality.

659
00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:29,040
Let's do this thing.

660
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,040
I could easily drag this out for the legal minimum amount of time. Perfect.

661
00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:37,940
Yeah. Is there a legal minimum amount of time?

662
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:40,400
There is a maximum, though, for something in California

663
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,080
that's called a summary dissolution, which is basically just like we decided.

664
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,680
No, that's five years and we got just under the wire.

665
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,620
Yeah, no, it was like we were married for like four years

666
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:54,660
and like eight months or something.

667
00:42:54,660 --> 00:42:58,520
And I was like, but Boop, someone says this is cheaper.

668
00:42:59,220 --> 00:43:00,160
Clocks ticking.

669
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,660
I'm glad I reminded you to file that paperwork six months after the fact.

670
00:43:05,780 --> 00:43:10,660
So on this podcast, we discussed my problems as well as Nicholas Cage films.

671
00:43:11,180 --> 00:43:14,520
Yep. So clearly we are here to talk about the movie Pig.

672
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,980
Yeah. Which came out in 2021 and great movie fucking rules.

673
00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:23,440
Meredith, you as our special guest get to talk about pig

674
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,080
and give us a quick synopsis.

675
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,140
Oh, OK, cool.

676
00:43:26,140 --> 00:43:30,540
So basically I can I think I might be able to do this in like one sentence.

677
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:36,920
Do it. A lunatic is living in the woods with his pigs and with his pig.

678
00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:41,180
The pig gets stolen and he goes crazy.

679
00:43:41,420 --> 00:43:43,680
And that's the whole movie.

680
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,740
I think you watched a different movie.

681
00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:47,680
That's two sentences.

682
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,020
OK, well, I can do it.

683
00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:51,620
I can do a more in depth if you if you'd like.

684
00:43:51,780 --> 00:43:52,740
Yeah, go for it.

685
00:43:52,740 --> 00:43:55,580
Start with a thirst trap living in the woods.

686
00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:57,040
Yeah. Union suit.

687
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,280
OK, fucking hot.

688
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,840
Big old beard, scraggly hair, a fucking thick ass cheeks.

689
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,640
Yeah, he looks like fucking

690
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,880
Santa Moon vest from 30 Rock, kind of.

691
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,420
Just like the homeless guy who's always sort of around.

692
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,280
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

693
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,720
He does. He's yeah, it's a real externalization of what I feel

694
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,680
like Nicolas Cage's life must have been like around, I don't know, the year 2011.

695
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,340
So there's this guy, he lives in the woods.

696
00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:31,120
His seemingly his only companion is a very cute pig,

697
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,320
which is called a cune cune pig.

698
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,120
It's a particular breed of pig.

699
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,480
And they are truffle hunters in the Oregon woods.

700
00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:43,320
One night, apparently, tweakers

701
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,720
come in and steal the pig.

702
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:47,720
They beat the shit out of Nick Cage.

703
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:48,920
Oh, yeah, he gets frying pan.

704
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,580
Yeah. Oh, the foley work on that frying pan. So good.

705
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:53,480
It's a full clang.

706
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,960
Doinked. Yeah.

707
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,260
Great foley work.

708
00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:57,920
Whoever did a great job.

709
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,060
And then essentially this guy

710
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,120
who is a certifiable

711
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,020
crazy person basically uses his one contact with the outside world.

712
00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:15,680
This super hottie pottie young guy in a yellow sports car

713
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,120
for some fucking reason, because apparently truffles make you rich in Portland.

714
00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:20,060
Who knew?

715
00:45:20,060 --> 00:45:23,460
Nick Cage forces him to be like, we're going to go get my pig.

716
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,180
Take me to the city.

717
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:27,220
Not a bad impersonation, actually.

718
00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:28,620
Should have used the monster voice.

719
00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:30,780
Yeah. Put monster voice on for the rest.

720
00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:32,320
Oh, you're starting to use the monster voice.

721
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,820
But then I have to reset the system.

722
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:37,680
Yeah. And then basically they go through these things.

723
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,660
You kind of discover through the course of all of these many different

724
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,980
leads and things that Nick Cage's character used to be a famous chef

725
00:45:47,980 --> 00:45:52,520
in Portland and basically goes down this whole hunt of just like

726
00:45:52,780 --> 00:45:58,220
back alley restaurant worker fight club and old

727
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:03,620
sous chefs who now own restaurants who he wants to take down a peg or five.

728
00:46:03,620 --> 00:46:10,220
A bakery owner that has a very serious obsession with him in a weird way.

729
00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:14,280
All of these things essentially getting to the fact that so hottie

730
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:20,760
pottie's dad is the one that is responsible for the pig getting kidnapped.

731
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,820
The deep to undermine his.

732
00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:24,920
Yes, the pigging.

733
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,820
But in the course of the beginning, it's a deep beginning.

734
00:46:28,820 --> 00:46:30,660
That's that's true. Thank you, Peter.

735
00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:35,080
The tweakers killed this seemingly very large

736
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,820
and very hearty animal question mark.

737
00:46:38,820 --> 00:46:42,420
And then the film kind of just ends.

738
00:46:42,820 --> 00:46:44,660
It like starts out

739
00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:49,120
seeming like it's going to be like a revenge.

740
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,180
Who done it kind of true crime thing?

741
00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:56,180
And then the last third just like goes on to this insane.

742
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,320
I don't even know, like meditation on fathers and sons

743
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,420
and family and it I fucking love this movie and I'm going to talk more about it.

744
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:06,660
But that's the basic synopsis of this film.

745
00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:09,520
It's a crazy person who gets his pig stolen.

746
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,920
He goes and gets the pigs.

747
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,320
Oh, wait, the pig is dead.

748
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,520
Womp womp. Yeah.

749
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,320
Kind of accurate.

750
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,860
Plus handpan. I love handpan.

751
00:47:19,580 --> 00:47:21,920
So I want to start out with my hot take of this film.

752
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,620
OK, take us on this journey.

753
00:47:24,860 --> 00:47:29,120
I had to take a pig is that it is one of the funniest films that's ever been made.

754
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,720
It is a straight up comedy.

755
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:36,460
I could not stop laughing both times I've seen this film.

756
00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:41,400
The first two acts of this film, which have like super bougie

757
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:47,100
like part one wild mushroom tart, like that's the title card or whatever

758
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:53,300
is so self-serious and so wants to be like,

759
00:47:53,420 --> 00:47:55,400
this is a deep rooted character piece.

760
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,960
And I'm like, this is a descendant to madness of absurd proportions

761
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:02,120
that makes no fucking sense.

762
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,220
And it's absolutely comedy.

763
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,800
It is comedy gold.

764
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,660
I mean, I think this movie's hilarious.

765
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:13,420
Every time Rob goes anywhere and just like interacts with anybody, it's great.

766
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:16,200
I mean, those interactions are fantastic. I agree.

767
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,600
How good is your life where you don't find this movie hilarious?

768
00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:23,160
I think why it's so funny is that inherently chefs,

769
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,600
especially chefs at a certain level, are certifiable

770
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,520
suck in lunatics that we have given knives, fire and power to.

771
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:37,120
And it just takes itself so seriously that if you're not in the fine

772
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:42,260
dining world, makes no fucking sense.

773
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:43,500
Like, why would it matter?

774
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:45,100
This guy had a great restaurant.

775
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:47,760
Awesome, dude. Like, good for you, I guess.

776
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,400
You're real intense about it.

777
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,000
And like, why does it matter if you get these?

778
00:48:53,220 --> 00:48:59,160
Every scene is so like filled with like pregnant pauses and like a moody music.

779
00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:02,360
And I'm just like, this is so stupid and I love it.

780
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,020
It's fucking fantastic. It's so great. It's so great.

781
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:09,060
It's just like a tonal mindfuck. The whole film.

782
00:49:09,260 --> 00:49:11,300
No, I mean, it's certainly a take. I haven't heard before.

783
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:12,420
That's fine.

784
00:49:12,420 --> 00:49:16,560
I mean, everybody can appreciate the movie for whatever they want to appreciate it for.

785
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:22,220
Be a handpan, be it a denigrating working class people or.

786
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,620
That is a big part of it.

787
00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:29,020
That's a call back to something I don't remember.

788
00:49:29,020 --> 00:49:34,160
You because your favorite scene is when he badmouts the former prep chef. Oh,

789
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:36,960
yeah, I do fucking love that scene.

790
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,960
What's what's his name? Fenway Fenway.

791
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,560
I just I love how he just tears that guy apart.

792
00:49:41,860 --> 00:49:44,720
But I mean, the core of it isn't just to fucking break him down.

793
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:47,760
It is to like remind him of who he fucking is.

794
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,060
Yeah, because he's being fake. Right.

795
00:49:50,060 --> 00:49:51,620
Current restaurant. Yeah.

796
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:55,720
That's why in my mind, it was like a comedy is because to me, I was like,

797
00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:00,120
this is exposing how fucking ridiculous

798
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,620
this whole world is like the whole world of fine dining.

799
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,220
We have to eat every day. Humans have to eat.

800
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:09,420
It's an unfortunate reality.

801
00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:12,020
This is such a like skewed version of it.

802
00:50:12,020 --> 00:50:16,360
And who is it for? And it becomes this absurdist romp

803
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,720
through super high end fine dining in Portland, Oregon, of all places.

804
00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:26,260
I don't think it's a place with a super seedy underbelly

805
00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:29,220
of restaurant workers that have a fight club.

806
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,420
That is the only part that's really weird for me.

807
00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:36,560
But to speak to the, you know, the title cards and the three food items

808
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,820
that are created, they are not hoity toity.

809
00:50:38,820 --> 00:50:41,720
It is a rustic tart made in the woods with his pig.

810
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:46,920
It is fucked up French toast from a arguably brain dead mom or dead mom.

811
00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:51,780
And then a meal to remind someone of how it is to be a fucking human.

812
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:56,920
The way to I will say this film is beautifully shot.

813
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,580
It is gorgeous.

814
00:50:58,580 --> 00:51:02,920
Obviously, this is a film that has a great reverence for food

815
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,620
and cooking and feeding people and all of that.

816
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:09,520
And I do think it is like Nick Cage's character, Robin Eld.

817
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,460
He lost his wife. That's kind of why he went bad.

818
00:51:12,460 --> 00:51:17,460
He is that he has taken it back to this is the most basic thing.

819
00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:20,260
This is why I like eating. This is why I like food.

820
00:51:20,260 --> 00:51:22,260
This is why I do all of these things.

821
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:25,220
All of the pomp and circumstance is immaterial.

822
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:29,360
So that part of it is a very like beautiful, heartfelt rule line.

823
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,260
Have you ever seen the movie The Menu?

824
00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:35,120
Yes. Yes.

825
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,360
So I was going to say like what you're describing

826
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,060
sounds very much like you would be a fan of The Menu.

827
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:41,760
I love The Menu.

828
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:42,960
Yeah, it's a terrific film.

829
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,720
And it nails like everything that you're you're describing here.

830
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,760
So people who haven't seen it.

831
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,360
Watch the movie. Yeah, it's great.

832
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:51,560
It is wild.

833
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,160
Nicholas Holt in it. Yes, true.

834
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,920
And we like Nicholas Holt. We like all Nicklises.

835
00:51:56,060 --> 00:51:57,920
All Nicklises are good.

836
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:58,860
There's a few.

837
00:51:58,860 --> 00:52:00,960
Nick's and Jicks not into it.

838
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,060
Oh, not even true. You love your Jick.

839
00:52:03,060 --> 00:52:05,860
That's true. I love a good Jick.

840
00:52:05,860 --> 00:52:07,960
Still sounds like such a slur.

841
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,220
Sounds so bad.

842
00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:12,960
We're going to find out it is one. No, it really does, guys.

843
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,320
I'm not going to lie.

844
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,520
I don't want to be associated with hate speech.

845
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,060
OK, I can't have my.

846
00:52:18,060 --> 00:52:19,560
Yeah, don't fuck up your brand.

847
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:20,860
I mean, if any of the.

848
00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:22,660
You're on this podcast.

849
00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:25,060
I mean, if any of the jokes we used to make in art school ever,

850
00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:27,620
like we're recorded, we'd be.

851
00:52:27,620 --> 00:52:31,220
Won't say them on air because I don't want any of us to get canceled

852
00:52:31,220 --> 00:52:33,020
by association.

853
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:34,420
But boy, oh boy.

854
00:52:34,420 --> 00:52:35,860
Let me pause the recording.

855
00:52:35,860 --> 00:52:38,360
Yeah. Oh, it's paused now. Say it.

856
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,660
Oh, is it? Oh, OK.

857
00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:42,860
Well, then in that case, here's what Sean used to say.

858
00:52:44,060 --> 00:52:45,820
Yeah, good. Yeah.

859
00:52:45,820 --> 00:52:49,920
I still love this movie after like the fourth time watching it.

860
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,020
I just I put it on and just happy the whole time.

861
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,360
Viewing it from Rob being an outsider and kind of our introduction

862
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:03,560
to this crazy world of culinary capers is great because, you know,

863
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,360
he also has his own insight and we come to find out very much in the know

864
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,960
and then can completely disrupt it.

865
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,660
So while we're introduced to it, he's turning it on its head

866
00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:14,260
and making it make more sense for himself and the viewer.

867
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:16,920
OK, I'm sorry to break character in this situation, but

868
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:21,400
so I'm recording everything in Adobe Audition and the file format

869
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:26,160
is called dot SESX and I named this one pig dot SESX.

870
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,800
Just a little too close.

871
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,660
I mean, that's still the movie I watched.

872
00:53:30,660 --> 00:53:35,060
Pig sex. He doesn't fuck his pig, guys.

873
00:53:35,220 --> 00:53:37,120
Oh, I don't fuck my pig.

874
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,920
Very importantly, he does not fuck his pig.

875
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,520
OK, that is critical information.

876
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,360
That is a very good distinction.

877
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,720
The pig PS.

878
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:49,460
It's like I watched through the credits because I was like,

879
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,160
the pig is not in the main cast.

880
00:53:52,220 --> 00:53:57,520
Rude. So I watched through probably 15

881
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,880
like title card of the credits.

882
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:08,020
Her name is Brandy and she did have a pig understudy named Cora.

883
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,520
Oh, good name for pig or daughter Brandy and Cora.

884
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:17,420
We're both very good girls and we're really precious and really adorable.

885
00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:18,880
And I thought did a great job.

886
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,120
And I would have loved to see a lot more of pig in film called Pig.

887
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,660
I'm going to tell your daughter that she was named after the pig in this movie.

888
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:27,800
Understudy.

889
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,760
Understudy. Well, right.

890
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,420
Not even the main aspire to be Brandy.

891
00:54:32,420 --> 00:54:36,920
I'm sure there were a couple of days where Brandy couldn't get on set.

892
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,260
And so Cora came out and filled in, snuffed around for a little bit.

893
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:42,900
Yeah, Brandy.

894
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:44,760
She she really liked downers.

895
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:45,760
I don't know.

896
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,460
That's why the tweeters just fucked her up.

897
00:54:47,460 --> 00:54:48,700
Barbiturates for days.

898
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:50,260
And she turns it on. She's great.

899
00:54:50,260 --> 00:54:52,160
But fuck, man.

900
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,300
Do you have a particularly favorite scene?

901
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:58,660
Oh, I feel like every single scene in this film is sort of its own

902
00:54:58,660 --> 00:55:02,340
self-contained vignette in a way of like getting a different

903
00:55:02,340 --> 00:55:04,360
facet of these characters.

904
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,860
But I will say one of my favorite scenes is the scene that he goes.

905
00:55:08,860 --> 00:55:12,760
Robin goes to his old what used to be his restaurant, Hestia.

906
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:17,240
And he's talking to who used to the woman that used to be like his.

907
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,140
Baker or pastry chef or something.

908
00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:20,440
Pastry chef. Pastry chef.

909
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,040
And she has since turned it into a bakery.

910
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,400
And it's a very intense scene.

911
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:26,700
It's a one shot.

912
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:31,000
Like it's just them sitting at a table talking beautifully acted,

913
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,400
beautifully shot, still to me, absurdly funny,

914
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,300
because he is asking her for a salted baguette, which I was like,

915
00:55:40,460 --> 00:55:41,740
is that a sex move?

916
00:55:41,740 --> 00:55:43,440
First of all, very inappropriate.

917
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,160
Nick Cage, naughty, naughty.

918
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,740
But then I was like, what would even be a salted baguette?

919
00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:49,600
Baguettes already have salt in them.

920
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,640
What does that even mean?

921
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,960
Like that's such a crazy that's such a like an insane like specialty dish

922
00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:57,160
that like you just have an extra salty baguette

923
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,200
and they have this really intense back and forth about like,

924
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,860
oh, you know, Laurie would have wanted it.

925
00:56:02,860 --> 00:56:05,300
This is like, oh, your dead wife would have wanted this.

926
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:08,500
And it's to me, I'm like, this is the peak of this film.

927
00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:10,660
This is the peak of what this film is about.

928
00:56:10,660 --> 00:56:12,540
It's fantastic.

929
00:56:12,540 --> 00:56:16,000
And then he like gets a cookie for his friend, his hottie pottie friend

930
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,900
in the yellow sports car because they're actually becoming friends.

931
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:21,160
They're buddies. Yeah.

932
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,400
Yeah. I love that he gets the second cookie.

933
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:25,700
I know it's so cute.

934
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:26,560
It's so cute.

935
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,220
And then you just like hands him this like cookie pastry thing.

936
00:56:30,220 --> 00:56:33,660
And the guy is like, I'm sorry, you haven't bathed in.

937
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:35,020
God knows how long.

938
00:56:35,020 --> 00:56:37,160
Let's not even talk about the state of your clothes.

939
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,460
You're so mean.

940
00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:41,720
You're covered in blood from getting the shit kicked out of you.

941
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:43,720
Still, you're wearing fingerless gloves.

942
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,260
We've been going all over Portland trying to find this fucking pig.

943
00:56:48,260 --> 00:56:51,200
I don't want to deal with this. And you give me a cookie.

944
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,820
It's probably a really good cookie.

945
00:56:53,820 --> 00:56:55,600
Yeah, they're already besties by then.

946
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,860
Yeah, but I mean, Alex Wolf doesn't know it at that point.

947
00:56:57,860 --> 00:56:59,260
Amir. Yeah.

948
00:56:59,260 --> 00:57:01,520
He doesn't realize that they're actually best friends.

949
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,000
Every time I do see that scene, though, I'm just like, yeah, I don't like that.

950
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,460
Cookies can be real dirty.

951
00:57:06,460 --> 00:57:08,460
It's going to have like bum glove smell.

952
00:57:08,460 --> 00:57:12,860
The scene where Amir and Robin are cooking together

953
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,360
after like breaking and entering in Amir's dad's house.

954
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,400
Totally fine, by the way. Not a problem at all.

955
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,600
When they're cooking together, it shows like Nick Cage

956
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,560
washing his hands and like doing all this food prep.

957
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:26,160
And it's awesome.

958
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,900
And like breaking the backbone of like a squab or something.

959
00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:33,700
And the whole time, I was just like, yes, your hands.

960
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,260
That's all you're going to.

961
00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:36,400
All you're going to wash.

962
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,700
I mean, it'd be rude to take a full bath.

963
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,660
They probably had a nice tub, though, like a claw tub.

964
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,660
I don't know. He's built up a really good protective barrier at this point.

965
00:57:45,660 --> 00:57:46,860
You want to keep that.

966
00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:50,400
Yeah. So you don't want to know what he's going to have to do

967
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,900
to get the hands back to a proper state.

968
00:57:53,260 --> 00:57:57,200
I mean, he just goes into the river at the end of the movie, which respect.

969
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,700
I was upset. Salted baguette sex move.

970
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,360
Not a thing. Yeah.

971
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,800
Yeah. You heard it here first, folks.

972
00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:08,600
Salted baguette and a Coney dog.

973
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,600
Who was salted baguette with a Coney back?

974
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,540
And I love to cook, too.

975
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:21,840
Imagine that. Speaking of cooking, I had lunch with a with Horn Quack today

976
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:26,160
or not today this week and was talking about his fitness goals.

977
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,040
And I'm like, well, you should probably just, you know,

978
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,300
stop eating out for every meal.

979
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:34,300
His argument was for not cooking at home is he's like, you know, have you

980
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,440
have you ever made a meal you would pay for?

981
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,640
And I'm like, yes.

982
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,200
Many times. Yeah.

983
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,900
It's not it's not that hard to cook, Nick.

984
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:44,640
Just do it. I know you don't listen to this podcast, but maybe one day you will.

985
00:58:44,940 --> 00:58:46,400
Just add more salt.

986
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,100
That's the only thing that makes you like butter and more salt.

987
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:51,700
Butter and more salt. That's it.

988
00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:52,400
What kind of eating?

989
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,440
Are we doing? What are we talking about here?

990
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,940
Say the salt baguette. Yeah.

991
00:58:56,940 --> 00:58:58,340
Right. We're back to the move.

992
00:58:58,340 --> 00:59:02,140
Oh, man. Salted baguette is where you just hear the vagina

993
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,900
with butter and some mold and flaky salt right on top.

994
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,600
Yeah. You go to town.

995
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,540
It's the salty baguette.

996
00:59:10,540 --> 00:59:12,860
Extra crunchy for your pleasure.

997
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,200
OK, so we got Meredith's favorite scene.

998
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,840
What do you guys think is your favorite scene?

999
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,100
I mean, for me, it has to be Hestia for kind of the same reason.

1000
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,860
Like, I just love him talking about food and sort of that those long shots

1001
00:59:27,860 --> 00:59:32,960
and him just being like staring up at Fenway and breaking him down.

1002
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,000
I don't know. Oh, Fenway's place. Yeah. Yeah.

1003
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,340
Yeah. That's your rid of the.

1004
00:59:37,340 --> 00:59:38,100
That's your rid of the.

1005
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:40,100
Not Hestia. You're at a sea. Yeah.

1006
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:42,000
All such douchey restaurant names.

1007
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,760
Which is very accurate. Yeah.

1008
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,660
No, I mean, Fenway is a personal favorite just because I love his whole speech

1009
00:59:48,660 --> 00:59:52,260
about how we don't get a lot of chances to care about things and just his whole

1010
00:59:52,260 --> 00:59:56,860
sum up of life and all the bullshit that people do to be seen

1011
00:59:56,860 --> 00:59:59,300
and not be seen the entire time.

1012
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:01,360
I just love his just general demeanor.

1013
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,300
Like when he walks in to the diner to find a phone

1014
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,560
and the waitress is like, Yes.

1015
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,120
You going to buy something? No.

1016
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,660
That was I think early on in this movie, Rachel was watching it

1017
01:00:14,660 --> 01:00:17,660
and she was like, You said this isn't going to make me have a hard time at all.

1018
01:00:17,660 --> 01:00:19,160
And then it was like pig abduction.

1019
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:20,720
And she was like, What the fuck?

1020
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,860
And then the next scene is pretty much the like engine dies in the car.

1021
01:00:24,020 --> 01:00:25,560
Then he gets to the restaurant.

1022
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:26,920
It's like, are you going to buy anything?

1023
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,160
No. She was just like, Yeah, awesome.

1024
01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:32,160
And then the very next scene is you like that car.

1025
01:00:32,460 --> 01:00:33,960
You like that shirt.

1026
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,560
I'd be hard pressed on a scene.

1027
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:42,060
I think I like this movie's kind of theme of identity the most.

1028
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,500
But a scene, I'll just say the scene where he gets the shit kicked out of him

1029
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:49,200
by the busboy busboy.

1030
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,760
So tiny, you know, very old to it showed how much he really would do

1031
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,560
to find out about his pig.

1032
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,960
Like he would take that massive beating just for a name.

1033
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,860
I never thought about specifically that scene so much

1034
01:01:02,860 --> 01:01:06,960
until this time when you really see just the hatred and just just vitriol

1035
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,300
in the waiter's face and like,

1036
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:11,560
so we had to work for have worked for Rob at one point.

1037
01:01:11,860 --> 01:01:14,760
Or just like knows that douchey chefs are.

1038
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,060
Yeah, he knows this.

1039
01:01:16,060 --> 01:01:19,660
I mean, it was a very toxic kind of occupation.

1040
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,200
I mean, there's certainly something that's sour about everything,

1041
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,000
because like, why did Edgar let the timer run for 15 seconds

1042
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,220
longer than anybody else?

1043
01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:30,000
You know, like people are pissed that he vanished.

1044
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,700
And people are pissed that he doesn't play the game anymore.

1045
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,860
There is a part of it that I think anybody that's ever done restaurant work

1046
01:01:36,860 --> 01:01:41,460
or customer service work has a deep well of rage and alcoholism

1047
01:01:41,460 --> 01:01:45,140
within them that can only be quenched by violence.

1048
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:49,040
As well as it's true when Rob just

1049
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:54,160
gadaddle and like left his restaurant, he left not just his restaurant,

1050
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:59,160
but like probably dozens of people's jobs in a total

1051
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:00,400
like, oh, cool.

1052
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,600
So like, I don't have a job anymore.

1053
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:03,800
Like I. Yeah, right.

1054
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,040
Now the pastry chef is in charge, I guess.

1055
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,540
Yes. Like why would the pastry chef be in charge?

1056
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,400
Like it just doesn't make any sense.

1057
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,500
And I think it's the other thing, too, where I feel like most people I know

1058
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,700
who have worked in kitchens, if you were like, hey, there's a fight club

1059
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:21,600
where you get to go beat the shit out of other like restaurant

1060
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:26,340
workers from like restaurants in your town, they would say yes.

1061
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,700
And what do I need to do to get in?

1062
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:33,360
So Chef Finway was played by David Nell, who I don't know from anything,

1063
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,640
but he's just his expressions in that whole scene, like when he realizes

1064
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,300
that it's who Rob is and just when he's just shaking

1065
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:46,200
with like uncomfortable rage as he's being torn down and just has that

1066
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,560
just kind of forced shitting grin, that's like almost a scowl.

1067
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:53,040
I don't even think it was rage. I think it was shame.

1068
01:02:53,300 --> 01:02:56,640
I think that dude gets broken down really accurately.

1069
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,360
And then Rob says, what was your dish?

1070
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,440
And immediately he goes scotch egg. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

1071
01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:05,340
Yeah. I think I'm with you there on the shame portion of this.

1072
01:03:05,940 --> 01:03:08,260
I think it's most people's reaction.

1073
01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:12,740
The way I read it was we've got this, you know, rock star who was

1074
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,600
no matter how abusive a chef could be in the kitchen

1075
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,200
when you're working for like the shop top chef.

1076
01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:22,160
It's like that's what it's about.

1077
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,000
You're doing the highest of high dining.

1078
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,840
So there's just always going to be a level of admiration.

1079
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,160
I think a lot of people, characters that interact with him,

1080
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:36,860
that the way that I read it was there's the element of like

1081
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:42,540
looking at almost like a mythical creature that you thought was gone forever.

1082
01:03:42,860 --> 01:03:44,400
That's just returned.

1083
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,640
And so there's the moment of like, wow, look at him.

1084
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,740
He's standing right here and then also realizing that the roles have kind of reversed.

1085
01:03:51,740 --> 01:03:56,260
And a lot of people now are seeing that they have power over him

1086
01:03:56,260 --> 01:04:00,040
because of his conditions, self-imposed or not.

1087
01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:02,800
They just don't realize that he doesn't give a fuck.

1088
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,100
So they really hold no power over him still.

1089
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,440
OK, so Meredith, at this point, I think your opinions are pretty clear on it.

1090
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,540
It's like you like it. It's absurd.

1091
01:04:13,540 --> 01:04:15,560
And I don't disagree with that part.

1092
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,760
I think looking back on it more and more, it's like this is a funny movie

1093
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,640
in a lot of ways. I love this film.

1094
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,300
I should have also prefaced that with like I love this film.

1095
01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:25,760
I think it's fantastic.

1096
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,700
And that's just yes, I think it's an absurd comedy.

1097
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,660
No, that's perfect. Give give your case.

1098
01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:32,340
Why should anyone watch this movie?

1099
01:04:32,340 --> 01:04:33,340
Why should we care?

1100
01:04:33,340 --> 01:04:36,900
Why do you think this is, you know, in the echelon of what we're talking about?

1101
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:39,900
It's in the sweet 1616.

1102
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:43,200
And, you know, it's a big contender.

1103
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,000
It's been strong for us from fucking day one or day,

1104
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,900
whatever it was when it first came across our plates.

1105
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:51,640
Yeah, I I think there's a lot of reasons.

1106
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:57,560
One, it is a film that I think Evan and I talk about a lot are films

1107
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,340
that are vibes like even if the even if the plot isn't necessarily

1108
01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:06,560
super strong or whatever, there is something about the whole piece

1109
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:11,900
that is just a vibe and it is enjoyable to participate in.

1110
01:05:11,900 --> 01:05:13,600
It's enjoyable to watch.

1111
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,740
I think that is one of my biggest reasons that I love this film is that, again,

1112
01:05:17,740 --> 01:05:18,880
it is absurd.

1113
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:23,680
It is tonally kind of here and there and whatever.

1114
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,820
It is beautifully shot.

1115
01:05:25,820 --> 01:05:28,340
It is beautifully acted.

1116
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,820
It is exactly what it is.

1117
01:05:33,140 --> 01:05:37,740
Art that knows what it is and leans super hard into that

1118
01:05:38,020 --> 01:05:39,720
is always compelling to watch.

1119
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:44,920
It always makes you want to come back and watch it again, see a new angle.

1120
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,480
You know, you want to experience that vibe again and again and again.

1121
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,560
And I think that is why it's such a compelling film.

1122
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:57,160
Can't think of a lot of other films like Pig.

1123
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,160
And I think also in the cage verse perfection,

1124
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:06,080
Cage says maybe 25 words, the entire film, but just his presence

1125
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,580
and his being and his ethos is perfect for this film.

1126
01:06:10,580 --> 01:06:13,180
Like, I don't know that another actor could have done it,

1127
01:06:13,180 --> 01:06:16,820
could have carried this film in the way that he carried the film.

1128
01:06:16,980 --> 01:06:21,880
This is one of those films where really kind of put his name back out there

1129
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:27,280
as a serious actor coming off all the near straight to DVD films.

1130
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,740
Yeah, the schlock years, the left behinds of it all.

1131
01:06:29,820 --> 01:06:31,540
But season of The Witch, too.

1132
01:06:31,540 --> 01:06:32,820
Oh, season of The Witch.

1133
01:06:32,820 --> 01:06:34,380
Up and down. Coming soon.

1134
01:06:34,380 --> 01:06:39,120
Yeah, his just presence in this film and his acting very sedate.

1135
01:06:39,140 --> 01:06:41,980
I think there's only one full on cage scream in the entire movie

1136
01:06:41,980 --> 01:06:44,320
when he steals that guy's bike.

1137
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,180
Oh, true. And then the other one is like and his anguish scream.

1138
01:06:48,220 --> 01:06:50,680
They they mute. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1139
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,520
But no, I like that.

1140
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,080
That whole sense that this movie does have a vibe in it.

1141
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,660
I think of all these movies we've watched, this is the one that has

1142
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,460
really something to say.

1143
01:06:59,460 --> 01:07:02,280
Like there is a point to all of it.

1144
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,380
It's not just it's fun and it's funny and it's very sad at times.

1145
01:07:06,380 --> 01:07:09,520
But there is a message behind all of it.

1146
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,480
And I think it does hold together really well and really does.

1147
01:07:13,460 --> 01:07:15,480
Keep to that core

1148
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,420
part of this film.

1149
01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:21,080
And again, for a first time director on like Shoestring Budget,

1150
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,580
it was very little time to film.

1151
01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:24,080
Was this the first time?

1152
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,280
Oh, yeah. First time feature director. Yep.

1153
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,380
Holy shit. Great job.

1154
01:07:28,380 --> 01:07:29,720
What was his name, Stan?

1155
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,980
Then he went on to direct A Quiet Place Day One,

1156
01:07:31,980 --> 01:07:34,780
which is a fucking huge money movie.

1157
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:36,620
Yeah. Sarnowski.

1158
01:07:36,620 --> 01:07:39,060
But like Shoestring Budget had very little time to film.

1159
01:07:39,060 --> 01:07:41,720
Like one of the reasons Nick Cage stays as banged up as he does

1160
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,680
is it was just quicker to keep all the blood and stuff on him

1161
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,380
rather than like reset for different shots.

1162
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,360
I mean, that to me makes it even more impressive.

1163
01:07:51,460 --> 01:07:53,220
And it's a first time feature.

1164
01:07:53,220 --> 01:07:55,880
Being able to work within all those constraints and be able to really

1165
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:57,860
pull off something like this, I think.

1166
01:07:57,860 --> 01:08:01,320
I mean, and maybe this works as well as it does because it was so constrained

1167
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,580
just because there was no time for fucking around.

1168
01:08:03,580 --> 01:08:05,660
There's no time for reediting and reshoots.

1169
01:08:05,660 --> 01:08:06,720
They had to get what they got.

1170
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,480
And, you know, maybe there are some weird transitions,

1171
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,520
but it all works so well.

1172
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:12,720
Yeah, it's a terrific film.

1173
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,020
I have nothing to disagree with.

1174
01:08:15,020 --> 01:08:17,280
It gets me every time. Yeah.

1175
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:18,820
Meredith, do you have a favorite quote

1176
01:08:18,820 --> 01:08:20,480
from this film you would like to share with us?

1177
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:22,280
Fuck Seattle.

1178
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,180
It's a good one. Perfect.

1179
01:08:25,180 --> 01:08:28,180
When is that? That seems right after Rob picks him up

1180
01:08:28,180 --> 01:08:30,780
from his dad's place after he like gets kicked out. Right.

1181
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,660
Yeah. And that's one of my favorite scenes, actually.

1182
01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:38,220
Thinking back on it, that that particular moment is just really sort of sweet

1183
01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:40,860
because like there's the funny talk about, you know, Mount Hoods

1184
01:08:40,860 --> 01:08:43,180
an active volcano, fuck Seattle.

1185
01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:45,960
And then Amir's like, why did we do any of this?

1186
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,720
Like, if you can fucking just find the truffles with your tree knowledge,

1187
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,420
like, what the fuck?

1188
01:08:51,420 --> 01:08:53,480
And Cajun's just like, I love her.

1189
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,260
And like, that's the core of this whole fucking movie.

1190
01:08:57,480 --> 01:09:01,560
And why he even gives a shit is that he loves his pig.

1191
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:06,220
And he's just sad that she's gone because he's had loss in his life.

1192
01:09:06,220 --> 01:09:10,860
And it's just like very bleak and identifiable.

1193
01:09:10,860 --> 01:09:13,300
And just like, oh, fuck.

1194
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,560
Yep. And you can see it on Amir's face, too.

1195
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,900
It's like, I understand loss because he's lost his mom.

1196
01:09:20,260 --> 01:09:22,320
I don't know. I fucking love this movie.

1197
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:23,400
That's all I got to say.

1198
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,000
And this movie is really about loss.

1199
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,420
And I mean, even thinking back, rewatching this time, like it's bookended

1200
01:09:28,420 --> 01:09:33,500
by Rob in his cabin, starting to play the tape that his wife left him.

1201
01:09:33,700 --> 01:09:37,120
And that movie is with him actually playing it like all of it.

1202
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,800
Yes, check out state. Yeah.

1203
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,000
So it'll make you sad.

1204
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,600
Playing Bruce Springsteen.

1205
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,400
What's the lyrics to that song are very problematic.

1206
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:52,120
Yeah, it was definitely an interesting choice to me being like,

1207
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:58,060
if I was talking to my partner and was like the lyrics of I'm on Fire,

1208
01:09:58,060 --> 01:10:00,260
made me think of you.

1209
01:10:00,260 --> 01:10:03,100
Yeah, I would. Great question.

1210
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:05,160
A lot of things, to be fair.

1211
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:09,260
And that's why he caught his sleeve on fire and.

1212
01:10:09,260 --> 01:10:12,820
Oh, oh, oh, I'm on fire.

1213
01:10:12,820 --> 01:10:14,860
I'm on fire. Yeah.

1214
01:10:14,860 --> 01:10:17,060
Let me. He's a chef. It's possible.

1215
01:10:17,060 --> 01:10:19,560
It's possible that it happened.

1216
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,060
Hey, little girl, is your daddy home?

1217
01:10:23,060 --> 01:10:25,460
My shirt's on fire and I'm all alone.

1218
01:10:25,460 --> 01:10:28,780
Oh, I'm on fire.

1219
01:10:29,780 --> 01:10:31,560
Now we have to pay Springsteen. Thanks, Peter.

1220
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,660
Yeah. All right. I didn't sing it that well.

1221
01:10:34,660 --> 01:10:36,020
It was you changing the lyrics.

1222
01:10:36,020 --> 01:10:39,460
It was satire satire satire satire satire all the way.

1223
01:10:39,460 --> 01:10:40,380
Parody. It's parody.

1224
01:10:40,380 --> 01:10:43,120
Do you have anything that you want to kind of plug here, Meredith,

1225
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,660
before we sign off?

1226
01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:49,780
You can check out my brother Evans in my upcoming podcast.

1227
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,820
It is called Brother Sibling Movie.

1228
01:10:51,820 --> 01:10:55,260
We talk about movies of different themes.

1229
01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:59,820
Every season, many of which we have fond memories of from our childhood.

1230
01:10:59,820 --> 01:11:02,460
It's basically us just being absolute fucking ding dongs.

1231
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,680
I can't relate.

1232
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,520
I I know it's this is not the audience

1233
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:10,920
for ding dongs talking about movies.

1234
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,280
If you don't like that, why are you here?

1235
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,320
And you can find me on Instagram at Blonde Daddy Lives Here.

1236
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:21,560
I don't remember if there are periods or underscores or if it's all one word.

1237
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,580
I cannot be bothered to check it.

1238
01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:27,020
Seriously, not a clue. There's one person on Instagram whose handle is at long.

1239
01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:28,380
Daddy lives here. It's me.

1240
01:11:28,380 --> 01:11:30,660
Hang out with me. Yes, that's.

1241
01:11:31,660 --> 01:11:33,520
Oh, and go vote in November.

1242
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:34,820
That's the other thing I want to plug.

1243
01:11:34,820 --> 01:11:36,780
Go vote in November, y'all.

1244
01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:39,320
It's very important.

1245
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,260
I'm looking forward to being on a brother sibling

1246
01:11:43,020 --> 01:11:45,620
movie podcast at some point to talk about Blade Runner

1247
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,980
and the time we watched that with your mother.

1248
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:51,180
It was awkward.

1249
01:11:51,180 --> 01:11:54,780
Oh, Blade Runner Mother, Brother.

1250
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,360
Oh, I didn't.

1251
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,920
I didn't get to tell my my one joke I had prepared this this week.

1252
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,020
That's how fucking out of it I am.

1253
01:12:03,020 --> 01:12:04,560
It's OK. Too late now.

1254
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:05,860
Got to save it for next time.

1255
01:12:05,860 --> 01:12:08,480
Or not. What is your amazing and funny joke?

1256
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,260
Oh, I was going to say, since we have you and your brother on,

1257
01:12:12,260 --> 01:12:15,460
it's going to be a good old fashioned sibling beat beat off.

1258
01:12:18,260 --> 01:12:19,180
That's not even a joke.

1259
01:12:19,180 --> 01:12:20,780
That's just fucking disturbing.

1260
01:12:20,780 --> 01:12:22,220
Why would you say that?

1261
01:12:22,220 --> 01:12:24,080
That's horrifying.

1262
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,320
That's not even no.

1263
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:31,520
Do not try and get Evan and I on a fucked up family

1264
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,860
Pornhub situation, OK?

1265
01:12:33,860 --> 01:12:35,460
I will not stand for it.

1266
01:12:35,460 --> 01:12:36,920
It's not going to happen.

1267
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,380
Don't talk to Nick.

1268
01:12:39,580 --> 01:12:41,460
No, I can't figure out how to make it.

1269
01:12:41,460 --> 01:12:43,980
Meredith, you're the reason I know the word twin zest.

1270
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,220
Thank you. You're welcome.

1271
01:12:46,220 --> 01:12:48,460
All right. We're about done here, folks.

1272
01:12:48,460 --> 01:12:50,580
Good night. Thanks, man.

1273
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:55,520
Well, those were opinions.

1274
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,720
Yes. From people who weren't us.

1275
01:12:58,660 --> 01:13:00,760
Hope you like that, folks.

1276
01:13:01,260 --> 01:13:03,360
I did. I did, too.

1277
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,420
Thanks, Evan and Meredith. You guys are great.

1278
01:13:05,420 --> 01:13:08,220
Yeah, it was really nice discussing both of these movies with those two.

1279
01:13:08,820 --> 01:13:11,860
I'm still like I'm marrying

1280
01:13:12,460 --> 01:13:17,320
Meredith's concept of the movie with what with the movie that I've seen.

1281
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:22,120
And I'm really enjoying the take that they have on it,

1282
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:23,680
which is which is terrific.

1283
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,360
I mean, it's a comedy. Yeah.

1284
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,660
A real romp.

1285
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,760
But they're absolutely not wrong.

1286
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,360
The movie is rife with comedic scenes.

1287
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,020
I think it it does help underscore

1288
01:13:37,420 --> 01:13:40,220
some of the more like human moments

1289
01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:45,560
and some of the tenderest moments also have

1290
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,680
some of the best comedy or some of the most insightful moments

1291
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:49,880
have some of the best comedy.

1292
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,680
Yeah. Well, it's one of those things that I've always liked in like

1293
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:56,660
good storytelling where you use jokes, you use levity to kind of

1294
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,060
undercut a tone just enough.

1295
01:13:59,060 --> 01:14:02,080
So when you do want to have a really serious moment, like at the end,

1296
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:07,280
when he's crying about his pig and the dad's crying about his wife and son,

1297
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,580
like you get those moments because you had, you know,

1298
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,660
other moments of levity you get to like you get to build to that.

1299
01:14:14,660 --> 01:14:17,360
You know, kind of little grow and release and.

1300
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:23,660
And then, of course, 8 millimeter, which I still love so much

1301
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,420
for like 50 minutes.

1302
01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:28,620
And then I'm like, oh, that's right.

1303
01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:29,920
This is where the movie is.

1304
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,920
Another hour gets rough, not even like emotionally rough,

1305
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,780
but just like pacing rough.

1306
01:14:36,780 --> 01:14:40,620
Because I mean, you know, me, I can I can watch a movie about porno all day.

1307
01:14:40,620 --> 01:14:43,720
That's fine. I'll just watch porno all day.

1308
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,800
That doesn't make me a monster.

1309
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,800
That makes me unemployed.

1310
01:14:49,900 --> 01:14:52,420
Yeah. So I guess I'd have to take some time off, but.

1311
01:14:54,500 --> 01:14:56,220
But I do.

1312
01:14:56,220 --> 01:14:57,060
I love this movie.

1313
01:14:57,060 --> 01:15:01,860
I love the the dive that they take and they kind of like wade into it.

1314
01:15:01,860 --> 01:15:07,160
But like pretty soon, it like starts escalating so fast in like the world

1315
01:15:07,300 --> 01:15:12,200
that Max California keeps introducing Wells to.

1316
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,980
And it's just like, you know, it's like,

1317
01:15:14,980 --> 01:15:18,780
it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know,

1318
01:15:18,780 --> 01:15:23,100
it's got such a good sort of just palette going for it.

1319
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:29,200
Color and audio and everything that just slightly misses.

1320
01:15:29,740 --> 01:15:34,600
And once you get to, you know, as I've mentioned,

1321
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,940
the the point where it's like, oh, he's he's escaped like

1322
01:15:37,940 --> 01:15:41,940
and he runs out like gunshots flying and everything.

1323
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:46,180
And we have to go all the way to, I don't know, some cabin in Connecticut

1324
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,940
to cool off, see Cinderella.

1325
01:15:49,300 --> 01:15:50,880
Don't worry. She's sweet.

1326
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,240
She missed him.

1327
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:56,180
And then he runs off to L.A.

1328
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,580
No, New York, L.A. back to L.A.

1329
01:15:58,580 --> 01:16:04,280
Yeah. He just flies back to the West Coast, hunts, like hunts down a dude,

1330
01:16:04,940 --> 01:16:05,980
kills him.

1331
01:16:05,980 --> 01:16:07,840
That was a pretty cool scene.

1332
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,680
And then we get slow again.

1333
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,440
Then he was back to New York to kill the other guy.

1334
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:15,800
Yeah. As we go back and there's just too many dips.

1335
01:16:15,940 --> 01:16:19,900
And it slogs a bit for me if they had just tightened it up.

1336
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:25,140
Yeah. Just let him take care of all three of them in order.

1337
01:16:25,380 --> 01:16:30,000
Like after the main fight, I would have been so cool with that.

1338
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,040
Like Eddie on the way to the airport.

1339
01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:35,140
And you could still have a trunk full of porno.

1340
01:16:35,140 --> 01:16:37,240
You wouldn't be burning him in the house.

1341
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:41,120
But like, I don't feel like that ever felt important.

1342
01:16:41,580 --> 01:16:44,340
I mean, I think I said this before is and we talked about it with Evan,

1343
01:16:44,340 --> 01:16:48,740
just the Batman and Robin of it all, the weird direction

1344
01:16:49,220 --> 01:16:52,020
Schumacher's career kind of spun off into.

1345
01:16:52,420 --> 01:16:53,780
But then you see something like this.

1346
01:16:53,780 --> 01:16:57,940
You see, you know, kind of that gritty 90s crime drama.

1347
01:16:57,940 --> 01:16:59,940
It's like, oh, you can make a movie.

1348
01:16:59,940 --> 01:17:01,180
You can make a well shot movie.

1349
01:17:01,180 --> 01:17:04,020
You can do something like with substance.

1350
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:06,820
Sure. He's not a joke director and he's not Michael Bay.

1351
01:17:06,820 --> 01:17:09,420
He's not doing the same like schtick.

1352
01:17:09,420 --> 01:17:12,220
Yeah, no. And I mean, I just it's one of those things where

1353
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,660
especially like the age I was when like Batman and Robin came out.

1354
01:17:15,660 --> 01:17:18,560
It's just one of those things where it's like, that's what you say Schumacher.

1355
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,020
That's what people think now.

1356
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:24,300
And, you know, you tend to forget in the whole of time that his name,

1357
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:26,620
you know, means something because of movies like this. Sure.

1358
01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:30,620
So it comes down to it. What moves forward? Primal.

1359
01:17:30,620 --> 01:17:36,260
Primal. When when Evan said primal fear, I was just like,

1360
01:17:36,620 --> 01:17:38,420
oh, I know he said primal fear.

1361
01:17:38,420 --> 01:17:42,060
And then at one point, he was talking about something about getting to the core of it.

1362
01:17:42,060 --> 01:17:44,460
And I was like, oh, the core.

1363
01:17:44,460 --> 01:17:47,020
I would say in terms of our discussions, we did.

1364
01:17:47,260 --> 01:17:50,820
It was a lot easier to get off track when it came to a millimeter

1365
01:17:50,820 --> 01:17:53,860
and talk about like things like Batman and Robin.

1366
01:17:53,860 --> 01:17:56,560
And it was a lot more fun to talk about things like Batman and Robin.

1367
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,860
I don't think a millimeter can like really stand up to big.

1368
01:17:59,860 --> 01:18:04,720
It's a pig is such a beautiful movie that has so much to say and says it so well.

1369
01:18:05,060 --> 01:18:08,860
Yeah, I mean, I don't even need to like justify your opinion.

1370
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,120
Yeah, I don't need to do any of that.

1371
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,320
I've seen both movies.

1372
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,060
I'm just going to call it like it is.

1373
01:18:16,060 --> 01:18:18,320
And Pig is the better film.

1374
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:22,220
And it's no matter how you get to that, it's the correct answer.

1375
01:18:22,260 --> 01:18:24,360
Yes. Except for romantic comedy.

1376
01:18:25,020 --> 01:18:26,860
It's kind of a love story.

1377
01:18:26,860 --> 01:18:28,900
He doesn't fuck the pig, though. No.

1378
01:18:28,900 --> 01:18:30,960
Can I can I make my joke for every time we do pig?

1379
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,420
You did good, pig.

1380
01:18:33,820 --> 01:18:35,020
No. All right.

1381
01:18:35,020 --> 01:18:36,200
Cut it, then. Nope.

1382
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,360
I'm going to put it in one time.

1383
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:39,760
I mean, I only said it one time.

1384
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,320
I'm going to put it in one time.

1385
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,820
Put it in one time with the volume real.

1386
01:18:46,220 --> 01:18:47,620
Yeah. So Pig wins.

1387
01:18:47,620 --> 01:18:49,820
Moving forward. Congrats, Pig.

1388
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,000
You done good, Pig.

1389
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,960
What is the actual phrase?

1390
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,160
I think that's it.

1391
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:57,120
No, that'll do.

1392
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:58,820
That'll do. God damn it.

1393
01:18:58,820 --> 01:19:00,200
Yeah, you fucked it up.

1394
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,300
Fuck you. Bye bye.

1395
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:03,400
Do you think? Bye bye.

1396
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,520
I believe it is. What a pig.

1397
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,460
No, that's Charlotte's Web.

1398
01:19:07,460 --> 01:19:09,360
No, it's some pig.

1399
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,960
Damn it. You guys are terrible at this.

1400
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,120
You can support us on Patreon.

1401
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:14,520
You can find us at Cage Match.

1402
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:15,760
Yeah. Segways aren't that easy.

1403
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,400
I know that. Well, I kind of got there.

1404
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,200
Also, I just want to go home.

1405
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:25,360
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1406
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:30,220
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1407
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:34,620
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1408
01:19:35,020 --> 01:19:37,980
If you want to beat up a former bar cook.

1409
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,420
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1410
01:19:40,420 --> 01:19:42,660
You can. You worked in restaurants.

1411
01:19:42,660 --> 01:19:46,880
I've worked in a bar and various like some fancy good places.

1412
01:19:47,060 --> 01:19:49,620
I worked. My first job was at a pita pit.

1413
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,320
Oh, yeah. OK. So you can come beat up any of us for money if you want.

1414
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,020
But money upfront.

1415
01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:56,120
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1416
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,220
You put you put the money on the fucking floor.

1417
01:19:58,220 --> 01:20:01,120
Then you get to beat us up for a bit on a timer.

1418
01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:03,880
Mm hmm. And then we go home. Yeah.

1419
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:05,580
No ass play, though.

1420
01:20:06,060 --> 01:20:07,880
You're not my dad.

1421
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,080
You're not my dad.

1422
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:12,980
I'm not.

1423
01:20:14,260 --> 01:20:16,320
Bye bye.

1424
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,180
I always had success using Vine.

1425
01:20:22,180 --> 01:20:24,620
Yeah, he gives me just a thousand six seconds clips.

1426
01:20:24,620 --> 01:20:26,180
Yeah. Fuck you, Nick.

1427
01:20:26,180 --> 01:20:27,240
In no particular order.

1428
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:28,340
And he doesn't even put him in a zip file.

1429
01:20:28,340 --> 01:20:31,480
It's like, how do you even have I just type what I say?

1430
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:33,140
And that's how I title it. I don't know how Vine works.

1431
01:20:33,140 --> 01:20:35,520
I know it's six seconds long and it used to make me laugh.

1432
01:20:35,540 --> 01:20:36,720
They were fun. Yeah.

1433
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,580
I watched some recently and I was like, holy shit, these people suck at filming shit.

1434
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,480
It didn't. You didn't have to do a lot of work when you were doing six seconds.

1435
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,880
No, I guess now I just expect HBO quality from every bit of media.

1436
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,780
You can see. Yeah. Only on the Internet.

1437
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:54,380
Oh, Nick, I heard the story.

1438
01:20:54,380 --> 01:20:58,320
Did I tell you my my Portland trip?

1439
01:20:59,620 --> 01:21:01,920
Of my wish of pig volcanoes story?

1440
01:21:02,420 --> 01:21:05,880
No. So I go to lunch with my coworker.

1441
01:21:06,020 --> 01:21:10,320
And we're as she showed me around Portland

1442
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,480
as I'm looking for places to live and we're going to get lunch.

1443
01:21:15,180 --> 01:21:16,320
And she asked, like, what do you want?

1444
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:17,420
I'm like, I could go for some Mexican.

1445
01:21:17,420 --> 01:21:20,120
It's like, oh, I want to go to this place.

1446
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,680
Porcano. Like what?

1447
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,480
It's like Porcano.

1448
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,180
And I'm thinking and she's like, Google it.

1449
01:21:26,180 --> 01:21:28,380
And I'm like, pork.

1450
01:21:28,380 --> 01:21:33,040
And I'm trying to like figure out pork volcano is like a single word as a portmanteau.

1451
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,680
I would go there. I would, too. I was so excited.

1452
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,720
And, you know, my ancestors will be mad at me for this, but we get there.

1453
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,040
And the sign is, you know,

1454
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,640
as in Spanish for why not?

1455
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:47,940
And I was just like.

1456
01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:51,740
And her defense, she'd only ever heard about the place.

1457
01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:53,920
So and yeah, OK.

1458
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,540
But I was just like, oh, now I want a pork volcano.

1459
01:21:57,540 --> 01:22:25,540
I do, too.