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What you are listening to is real. The participants are not actors. They are real people with a case pending in Podcast Court.

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Hello, I'm Producer Peter and welcome to Cage Match, a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage, Podcast Court.

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This is the tragic case of a man on a mission to capture Osama Bin Laden and another who lost both his hand and his wife.

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Oh, God.

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Oh, my God.

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Oh, my God.

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Okay, so let's see your wife left town, you jumped off your roof into the pool, you caught COVID. And now you're on our Nicolas Cage podcast. Am I right on this timeline?

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That's the long and short of it. Yep.

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Oh, I'm all about the short of it.

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What are you drinking?

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Jolly Rogers, Jolly Rogers Pilsner. It's a it's an American beer.

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Which is important right here in Seattle. Is that correct?

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Is that where we are?

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Which is a which is America.

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Yeah, we finally doxed ourselves. It's living in Seattle.

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Yeah, when I moved to Portland, don't tell anyone. Yeah.

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Yeah, right.

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Also cut that part out about moving to Portland.

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When I moved to also cut out that last part where I said it when I went to.

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There you go.

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Great. Thank you.

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Yes. That was Eric fucking up the audio. I was ready to blame him.

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But no, it was his computer.

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This computer was made in China.

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If it was made in America, I think it would have.

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We wouldn't have been we wouldn't have been we wouldn't have been having this issue.

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Ah, I don't want to tell you how to do your podcast,

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but if you do your podcast on a computer made in China,

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you're going to get weird Chinese voices, not good old fashioned

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American voices like we have here on Cage Match.

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I have what I watch some some like, you know, real life interviews with with Big G.

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Oh, with Gary? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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He doesn't have that. He doesn't have that voice.

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No, not as pronounced.

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He has a voice.

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It's less annoying than my voice and it's less pronounced than Cage's voice.

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I just I just didn't understand why this why the strong voice was in there.

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I think you nailed it right there. It's a strong voice. Strong American voice.

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It's the voice of the people.

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They showed clips of them even after the movie.

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And it's just like, oh, he doesn't sound like that.

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Like, no, they immediately.

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I know it's kind of weird that they did that immediately afterwards,

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where it's like I got so used to hearing Gary voice.

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And then it was like, oh, that's what he sounds like.

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Like a dude. OK.

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Now, that is what he sounds like after mainstream media has had their way with him.

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Good point. But if you listen to Gary just talking about Gary things,

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Gary's probably giving you the full on voice.

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Is it just hard when I get excited and immediately kind of slip into a little Garyism?

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Yeah, a little bit.

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It's hard for me to. Yeah, I love it.

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You embody Cage's Gary pretty pretty well there.

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I think Cage's Gary embodies me pretty well.

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I think Nick's seen by the mainstream media when this movie came out.

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I refuse to let this movie die because I need it.

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It validates me.

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I absolutely ask Peter like how it's made it this far into the.

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What did it win against in round two to get it around three?

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It's a great question.

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Originally adaptation, which is.

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Beat adaptation the first to go around.

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But you've come around.

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I still think it's wrong, but I love it.

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Or has not come around to that.

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Most things I love are incorrect, so. Yeah.

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Oh, it could happen to you.

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Yeah, it could happen to you.

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Which I mean, that's that's fine.

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It's been a deserved win every time.

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It's been a win every time and it deserved wind once.

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It's a win in my heart.

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When's a win? Yep.

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Just like a whole.

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You say what is going against Moonstruck tonight?

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Yeah. What are your thoughts on Moonstruck?

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Do you want to dunk on Moonstruck at all?

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A little shade. Yeah.

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We won't tell your wife.

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There's no discussion which movie is more American.

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We could start right there.

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And if we're just. Yeah, true.

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The Italians are not people.

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We're already starting off.

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That is established canon on this podcast. Yes.

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OK, we do have to take that into account.

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And we will. Later.

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Nice. And you are.

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Are you looking at me? I'm Eric.

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Sorry, I'm remote. Yeah.

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Eric, you are in our three timers club now.

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Whoo. Yeah.

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Big, big fucking dog over here.

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That's some Gary energy.

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You got that three timer faster than a lot of our more preferred guests.

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That's that's nice.

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Well, I'm often available in a pinch.

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It's good when you've got covid and your family is out of town

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because we can just lock you down.

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It's like, what the fuck else are you going to do?

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It's perfect.

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When when for you guys?

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So, Eric, you had never seen Army of one yet.

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You love it, correct?

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I mean, a character like this deserves

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He's a guy that that you would be.

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You'd be so fucking upset if he sat next to you at the bar.

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He would start talking and he would never stop.

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He would ask goading questions.

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Kind of. Or am I a Paul Scheer?

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It's a sass. Oh shit.

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You're a sass. Oh, yeah.

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I'm not a Gary. I'm a sheer.

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I think that we could all there's a little bit of Gary in all of us.

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Can I be can I be the mute the mute girl?

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Now he brings her nice shit.

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He brings his girlfriend rocks and shit.

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You were in Pakistan for a month.

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Like no big deal. Real rocks. Yeah.

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neglecting serious medical treatment like.

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I don't know why that got me.

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Why don't you why don't you give us the long and short of this real quick?

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Let's get your synopsis on the film.

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that he needs to get to Pakistan to to hunt down and killed

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bring Osama bin Laden to justice because America's just kind of been

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for justice and stuff for justice and stuff.

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and Gary and they'd pick it up and dry and it'd be fair.

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It's like a complete complete vigilante.

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He makes it he makes it to Pakistan, at least he doesn't do much work.

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That was a voting voting.

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Every time the hang gliding from Israel thing comes up, like every rotation of this,

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I have to go back to Google Maps and be like, wait a minute.

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I'm like, no, I'm going to go to the next country away.

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or long way? Oh, I get it.

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You Google long way.

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Like you want it in hot dogs.

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Yes. A lot of hot dogs like Joey chestnut level.

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Gary is the perfect failure.

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He did all of the things.

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I thought he was going to I thought he was going to walk out of their millionaire

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Oh, man. I know we're not talking about like a synopsis.

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We're just going into it.

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With the guy with the fucking slitty shades like runs off and grabs like a close.

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I love how Gary's delusions don't even line up with each other.

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Like he has a he has a delusion about watching MTV's Cribs, Osama bin Laden edition.

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And then when he like imagines the fight they had later, he's like, where's your cool house?

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OK. My feeling on this movie is really weird in that like it is not a good movie.

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No, it is really fun and really fucking stupid.

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embodiments of a character that Nick Cage has ever done.

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He doesn't feel like Nick Cage.

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You can watch that movie and not know it's him and kind of be like, oh, that was Nick Cage.

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Shit. Fuck. That's cool.

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You know, you watch most other things and you're like, oh, there he is.

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You know, there's his character persona, whatever.

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But I don't know if it's Gary voice.

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I don't know if it's the beard and ponytail.

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I don't know if it's just that he got into some character level that he hadn't hit in a while.

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But it is a really good performance, which is a weird thing to say.

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There's a weird physical aspect to it because, yeah, he doesn't really look like Nick Cage in this film.

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I think the only other movies we could really come to where it's just like, where do we see that level of performance

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I think they're like you hit on it with the physicality. There's also just like something about everything he does that screams middle aged man who didn't stretch this morning.

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I mean, I stretch every day, but that's brag. Yeah. Humble brag.

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It's just half a block.

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Throwing up glass here is a tough one, as opposed to someone we had to go like,일a, the original.

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That would be a pain in the even cry.

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I don't know.

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Nothing is much worse to come out of it.

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It's kind of rough.

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Package that he brings into this, like just the character, the voice, the physicality.

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could be argued.

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No, nobody was asking for this movie, like except for like Gary and his buddies.

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Like it's probably big in Colorado and pride.

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Bro, rural Oregon.

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I think that this movie opened up a world for me.

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And that world is Nicholas Cage's Gary.

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But do you think Gary shows this movie to people like he was on a date?

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Yes, absolutely.

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A fucking movie was made about you.

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I don't care if they like got it right.

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Like and Nicholas Cage Academy Award winner,

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Nicholas Cage, portraying you.

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Well, I got was a John yesterday where like

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he was reading the back of one of the boxes and said, like Academy Award winner.

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Huh? Like he has it.

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They don't take him away. Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Would you say it's not like the MTV video?

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Exactly. They take that shit away.

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Oh, I'm with Peter.

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By all accounts, this is a bad movie.

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Like none of the other characters are developed.

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The story is just totally random.

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But I think that the movie

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plays like a story that Gary is telling you.

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So it's just as dysfunctional

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as as what a dialogue from from Gary

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pretty much is. This guy's fun.

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He's he's he's a wild card. We love him.

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I didn't think about that, but there are only like two scenes in this film

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where there's dialogue that doesn't that Gary isn't in the scene.

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And that's the FBI agents or CIA agents, whatever they are, the government agents.

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And yeah, the way they talk is very not naturalistic.

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And the way they talk about Gary is very like not naturalistic.

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I love rain rain.

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I love him wanting to be like like a Dutch expat.

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Dutch James Bond living in Pakistan or whatever.

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I love that whole narrative of him

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continuously trying to go undercover in Pakistan.

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And then his director just be like, why are you doing this?

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His his director's favorite Bond was George Lazenbe.

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Yeah, because they go through every other one.

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Oh, or Pierce Brosnan.

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Those are the two that don't get named name dropped.

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If it was Brosnan, you would at least say it.

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The way he got into that role, like lied about being an actor

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and just he was an underwear model.

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See anywhere I fucking wacky.

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So you got this podcast gig

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under a light about being an underwear model.

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You're like, get on the show.

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And here I am free balling.

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Ah, just loose all the time.

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It's the American way, man.

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I'm wearing some pretty flowy pants and don't have any underwear on under these.

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Nice. Congratulations.

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Yeah, I love the the mental image.

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All right.

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So what was your favorite part about this movie, Eric?

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I mean, the favorite part was was Gary.

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I mean, the whole movie was Nick Cage and his Gary character.

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As I said, the rest of the rest of the movie just doesn't.

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I don't know. They don't really work on it.

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Except for the extras. Holy smokes.

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They spent a lot of money on extras.

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But no, it was that it was the patriotism was my favorite part of the movie.

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Gary is just my kind of patriot.

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You know, he goes up over there.

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He talks up America, but he's not a dick to everyone.

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He makes a lot of friends.

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He's very generous to the Pakistani people in the interviews that I listen to.

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He calls them packies, which I don't think sounds good at all.

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I don't know if that's what they call themselves, but

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he is so charismatic.

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I want to hug him.

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He reminds me so much of this journeyman I used to work with from.

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Here we go.

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Colorado, who I refer to as Boat Trip.

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But I mean, they look the same.

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They don't sound the same,

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but they kind of hold the same opinions on a few things.

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And they are oversharers.

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And I love that about both of them.

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I just the scene where Gary's on the plane going to Pakistan

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and just talking to that guy next to him, who probably doesn't understand a word.

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He's saying, but just, oh, my God, to have to be on a fucking international

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flight next to that.

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Can you imagine 16 hours with him in a middle seat?

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I mean, we have hundreds of hours of you in the middle seat of this podcast.

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So, oh, I'm middle seat.

333
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Yeah, middle seat.

334
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Big middle seat energy.

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Yeah, it's got a man spread.

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Uh huh. That's all that big dick.

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Big Nick. Uh huh. Uh huh.

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Big dick.

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Stop saying dick.

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You guys started this.

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You specifically.

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So this was your first time watching it.

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What was your but not your last.

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What was your no never like once you open

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the army of one can you are full of worms for life?

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I think I've watched it one one and two thirds times now.

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Oh, that is so good.

348
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I'm glad you came back for a second.

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Two thirds. So that's the best two thirds.

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What were there any like surprises in the film

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that really like took you places for a turn?

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What was your first like mental turn?

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Oh, I mean, good Lord.

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For me, it was just a couple things.

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Number one was Dr.

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Loaning Gary, a thousand dollars.

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That's a dangerous can of worms to open.

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Crazy people, crazy patients start asking you for cash and you're like, ah.

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Also, I'd like a reference to that doctor.

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Gary is awesome.

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He's looking at his paper.

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Gary, I can't believe you're alive.

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This is crazy. Yeah.

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Well, he did come into that conversation being like, your blood's looking good.

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You're living hard when nobody thought you would.

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And then it's like, OK, well, I guess

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I guess you're a reliable investment.

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That makes sense.

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And still on the on the kidneys thing,

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the fact that he kept on going to fucking Pakistan without

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ignoring his dialysis was just I don't know.

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It really made me believe in him.

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He said the Lord takes care of his soldiers.

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And I was like, that's the only way you could do it was with some kind

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of divine intervention.

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And I think God would only help out in America in that situation.

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You know. Well, God loves America.

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I think so. God's a British influencer.

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Total fucker. Yeah.

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Do we how many times do I have to say allegedly in this next part?

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Let's just do a blanket one.

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Allegedly, Russell Brand's in this movie who is

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going through some shit. Yeah.

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I mean, we can't.

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Britain's own Joe Rogan, the UK's own Joe Rogan. Yeah.

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I would love to see them fight.

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Russell Brand verse.

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Rogan.

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I would think that Russell Brand would pull out some close up magic.

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And I know that's not on his thing.

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That's not his brand.

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But his Russell Brand.

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Hey, but he's like the Chris Angel of like my like

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British comedian actors.

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Well, it's because I refuse to look at people's faces and remember who they are.

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So he's British Chris Angel.

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I could I could. Yeah.

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Confuse him with a with a mind freak mind to free.

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That's not all.

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Allegedly, my mind was allegedly freaked.

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I did not consent to this mind freaking.

402
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I still I know. OK, I know I had to be talked in this movie the first time.

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And I enjoyed it the first time.

404
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It's so much fun.

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It's so dumb.

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And it really lucked out being the second episode,

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because I think we would have gotten through a couple of rounds of this

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and known what we were doing adaptation would have probably gone through.

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I would have had a harder time.

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Making a case.

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Convincing you guys to abandon all reason.

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I just have better foresight.

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Prefer this to.

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It could happen to you.

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It could happen to you, too.

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Like Nick Cage's comedy output isn't there isn't a lot of like

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really good comedy in his.

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But his film repertoire. Yeah.

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Like he's done comedies, but there isn't like any outside of.

420
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Oh, you're not dogging on trapped in paradise, are you?

421
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I wasn't going to.

422
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Bill Furpo.

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But outside of like raising Arizona, there's not any really like

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high jinx laden comedies.

425
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I think that's less of a fault of Nicholas Cage than Nicholas Cage.

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I'm not saying Nicholas.

427
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Manager. Yeah, I'm not saying Nicholas Cage is at fault.

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I'm just saying, like in terms of like how we broken this down.

429
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I yeah, I do want some more like wild Nicholas Cage romps before he dies.

430
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That's imminent.

431
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I mean, we're going to get to see him as John Madden here in a couple of years.

432
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Yeah, which.

433
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That's real.

434
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Yeah, let's pull off for a second.

435
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Allegedly, this is and I don't have all the details.

436
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A film about the video game.

437
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Nice.

438
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So it's just about the Madden in video game series.

439
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Going to play the video game version of John Madden.

440
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Yes.

441
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Plays the.

442
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Is this like a wrecking ball situation?

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I sure hope so.

444
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Oh, my God.

445
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Like he's just trapped in a video game and he has to.

446
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Oh, and Bo Jackson's out there fucking running down.

447
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It's a different game.

448
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You can't stop Bo.

449
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You can't stop Bo.

450
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That's impossible, man.

451
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Oh, my God.

452
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You just got to like, I mean, Joe Madden could probably jump on the boat

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train and ride it all the way through the stadium.

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I just cannot wait for a Nicolas Cage

455
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with a Raiders logo on him.

456
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You're going to love it.

457
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It's going to be my entire life.

458
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I'm going to get that tattoo.

459
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That's a tattoo.

460
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Nicolas Cage as Joe.

461
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John.

462
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Yeah, I know.

463
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Fuck.

464
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You keep on saying Joe Madden.

465
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You're such a fan.

466
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Yeah. Yeah, John Madden.

467
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Shut up, Eric.

468
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You've got covid.

469
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I know. I know.

470
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And let's do a quick round robin on a favorite scene from the entire movie.

471
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So, Eric, you go first.

472
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What was your favorite piece of this movie?

473
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Man, it's really hard to get away from the

474
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chicken wings at the beginning really sets the tone.

475
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But I think it's really when he's at the diner

476
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discussing who is going to play him.

477
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And it's Nick Cage getting to talk about like, hmm,

478
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aren't I like Nick Cage from Conair, huh?

479
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And it was just.

480
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It was too meta for me, but it was it was so much that I

481
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it was so over the top that I that I was OK with it.

482
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Good pick.

483
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I'm still a fan of, you know, Pygmies made that toilet.

484
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Home Depot scene is so good.

485
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Pretty good.

486
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It's just like one liner after one liner.

487
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Take small ships.

488
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Let's give credit where credit's due.

489
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That's a Lowe's.

490
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Everything is blue.

491
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OK.

492
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Lowe sucks.

493
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I know.

494
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God, Lowe's is the worst.

495
00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:05,740
But yeah, Pygmies shits.

496
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I love a home improvement store.

497
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I love I love God.

498
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I kind of love hang glider scene.

499
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Yeah.

500
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Not like when he's purchasing it.

501
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That's great.

502
00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:19,920
But when he's talking to the kids and they're just like,

503
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,800
we don't speak English and he's like, move away.

504
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,340
And they're like, you're an idiot.

505
00:25:24,340 --> 00:25:27,040
And then he takes his janky ass hang glider

506
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,740
and just runs off the side and immediately just crashes.

507
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,020
It's like you fucking cuts up the hang glider into pieces.

508
00:25:36,020 --> 00:25:40,220
And there's so much tape on it when he goes to fly.

509
00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:44,460
It's just how dumb is this, Gary?

510
00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:46,080
I also love enough.

511
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,760
I love this.

512
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,300
I love when he thinks that boats that is a parking spot.

513
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:52,100
Yeah. Boat cop scene is maybe my favorite part.

514
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,700
I was going to say that as well.

515
00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:55,800
It's terrific.

516
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:56,700
It's so good.

517
00:25:56,700 --> 00:25:59,900
He comes in with undisclosed broken arm.

518
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,280
Do you know how to sail?

519
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,040
No, that's how I broke my arm.

520
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:07,980
I just wait on the boat.

521
00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:08,740
Record of them.

522
00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:13,020
I still hear 10 days later and then just then camera goes over the side

523
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:16,780
and you just hear him just yelling and then he wakes up on a beach in.

524
00:26:17,420 --> 00:26:20,420
But he does admit like not that much longer

525
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:23,820
or not that much later in the film that he can't swim, which is

526
00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:28,260
which is cool that he thought of sailboat sailboat was his first choice.

527
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:29,700
I'll just eat the muscles.

528
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:31,260
I'll just do the muscles off the bottom.

529
00:26:31,260 --> 00:26:35,380
To be fair, many sailors

530
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,800
of the olden times.

531
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,840
I mean, why bother learning how to swim?

532
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,640
They're going to die.

533
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,880
Where are you going to go?

534
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,420
Yeah. You fall out.

535
00:26:43,420 --> 00:26:44,780
Yeah, just fucking die.

536
00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:48,280
I did love his reason that like, you know, the people who invented boats

537
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,080
lived a long time ago and were smarter than those people.

538
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,680
So I'll be fine. Yeah.

539
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,260
I'm a 21st century man.

540
00:26:56,260 --> 00:26:59,460
Man. Man.

541
00:26:59,460 --> 00:27:00,960
What are your favorite chicken wings?

542
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,360
Oh, usually classic.

543
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,000
I'm dipping them in blue cheese dressing, usually.

544
00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:10,300
But but I'll go anywhere.

545
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:11,440
I'll even do a bonus.

546
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,040
OK, so you're a big nuggets fan.

547
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,840
You're a slut.

548
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,080
So, oh, OK, here's a good question.

549
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,180
Easily pull pulling off of that.

550
00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:24,480
Favorite chicken wing joint in the greater area.

551
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,360
This is for our core audience, the Seattleites.

552
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,660
Honestly, I've I've really.

553
00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:35,300
It's going to be Billard Huang's fish sauce wings.

554
00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:37,060
They get me every time.

555
00:27:37,060 --> 00:27:38,660
Good wing. It's a really good wing.

556
00:27:38,660 --> 00:27:40,200
Good choice. I don't think I've had those wings.

557
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,440
Oh, they're good. Yeah.

558
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,940
But those wings. Check it out. Yeah.

559
00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:48,500
OK, so, Eric, give us give us your like last pitch on this movie.

560
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:53,880
What's your closing argument in the case of Army of War?

561
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:55,680
Why should this go forward?

562
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,380
Well, as I was saying before, this is definitely the most American movie

563
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,680
out of your two choices by far.

564
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,560
And I think that in times like this,

565
00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:09,900
we just need to stay together as a country.

566
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:13,060
And I think Gary is the guy that's going to help us do that.

567
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:18,200
Patriotism. Yeah, I think that's the main main reason.

568
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,700
I think that we should choose it for America.

569
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:24,380
If you could go back in time, would you elect Gary

570
00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:27,080
to Team America, World Police?

571
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,580
I would say that Gary is already.

572
00:28:29,580 --> 00:28:31,740
I mean, he's a real life.

573
00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:33,280
He's like the Phoenix Jones.

574
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,320
He's like the real life team America.

575
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,120
Yeah, he was so much better than Phoenix Jones because he wasn't selling crack.

576
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,660
Traveling Phoenix Jones.

577
00:28:42,660 --> 00:28:44,460
Yeah. Phoenix Jones.

578
00:28:44,460 --> 00:28:48,260
Allegedly, I'm in for justice.

579
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:49,460
Phoenix Jones kicked my ass.

580
00:28:49,460 --> 00:28:51,260
I'm just going to throw allegedly in there.

581
00:28:51,260 --> 00:28:53,660
That's because he wore a body suit.

582
00:28:53,660 --> 00:28:55,560
I bet they goose him up.

583
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,600
Still kick my ass.

584
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,880
Especially if he brings the bearish prey.

585
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,580
Well, yeah, that's a guaranteed winner.

586
00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:05,280
That's how he won the most of those fights.

587
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Start fighting him with a ski mask.

588
00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:10,760
Wait, that doesn't protect the good stuffs.

589
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,720
We got to get out of this one.

590
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,320
No, how do I beat Phoenix Jones?

591
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,620
I almost said Phoenix, right?

592
00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:20,160
All you all you got to do is just not buy crack

593
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,200
and he'll go to jail.

594
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,400
Yeah. And you'll stay out of jail.

595
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,240
All right.

596
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,100
Although I think it was speed. Speed.

597
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:30,800
I think he sold club drugs.

598
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:31,700
Yeah, I think you're right.

599
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:34,280
Yeah, I think it was just like probably ecstasy.

600
00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:35,400
Yeah. OK.

601
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,980
Sorry for accusing you of stealing, allegedly accusing.

602
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,440
He didn't want people to get DUI's.

603
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,720
So I think he was just trying to help him get home safe.

604
00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:47,520
Well, a little speed on your way home.

605
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,380
Selling them a drug that keeps them high for six plus hours

606
00:29:51,380 --> 00:29:53,860
is not a way to get people home from the club.

607
00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:56,160
OK, that's how you stretch your needle.

608
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,800
Needle pick me up. That's why you got arrested.

609
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,600
That's how you fight inflation and rising cost of living.

610
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,840
Do long term drugs.

611
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,840
Got to do this long lasting drugs.

612
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,380
What do you think of just Nick Cage's overall performance?

613
00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:17,080
Oh, it's fucking insane.

614
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,840
He is so committed to Gary.

615
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,120
I am so curious how much.

616
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,520
Do you think he actually spent any time with Gary?

617
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,760
No, no, no, I don't think so either.

618
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,200
I think that he just kind of like took the story and was like,

619
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,300
I'm creating my own Gary character to a point, you know.

620
00:30:37,340 --> 00:30:38,140
Character.

621
00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:40,300
Do you think we could crowd fund?

622
00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:43,540
An unauthorized sequel.

623
00:30:43,540 --> 00:30:45,980
Like, what would Gary be taking on now?

624
00:30:45,980 --> 00:30:48,340
I pray cameo. We could probably get a Gary cameo.

625
00:30:50,020 --> 00:30:52,840
He's taking on Tick Tock.

626
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,920
OK, that's less of a feature film.

627
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:58,480
What is Gary taking on?

628
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,080
Is he going to fix the Ukrainian problem? Is he

629
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,400
is he going back to Israel?

630
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,360
Israel seems like a real hot spot right now.

631
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,260
It's not like that. And glide into Pakistan.

632
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,400
I think he's going to solve the chicken wing crisis.

633
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,040
Oh, OK. Yeah.

634
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,200
Yeah. Gary's next adventure should be close.

635
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,280
Gary's hot wings.

636
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,240
Gary's going to solve the chicken wing crisis being that

637
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,180
courts have alleged that if you buy boneless wings, you have to expect bones.

638
00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:28,280
Yes. Did you not see that case?

639
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,580
No. You said no.

640
00:31:30,580 --> 00:31:33,220
Yeah. Somebody ate some boneless wings.

641
00:31:33,220 --> 00:31:37,120
There was a bone fragment in it and they were in some way

642
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,020
personal injury lawyer. Sure.

643
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,500
Allegedly injured by such.

644
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:45,060
No, that's American.

645
00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:49,000
And courts have decided that if you get boneless wings,

646
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,300
you have to just grin and bear that.

647
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:52,740
Assume that there may be a bone.

648
00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:55,240
Yeah. Yeah. It's made from a slurry.

649
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,440
Yeah. I like a slurry.

650
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,440
A slurry can be pushed through a sieve.

651
00:32:00,740 --> 00:32:02,280
A bone cannot.

652
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,420
I've tried.

653
00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:06,480
Good night, everybody.

654
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,920
Thank you, Eric.

655
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,860
Good. Good night, guys.

656
00:32:09,860 --> 00:32:11,220
Thanks for having me.

657
00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:13,660
I hope you all stay healthy.

658
00:32:13,660 --> 00:32:16,160
Do you want to do you want to plug anything while you're here?

659
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,440
Yeah, I'm going to be playing on Fridays and Saturdays at the.

660
00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:24,000
Good night, guys.

661
00:32:25,740 --> 00:32:27,400
I love it. Thank you, sir.

662
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:34,280
My. Yeah, that's probably for the.

663
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,080
Bounce. Let's see.

664
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Oh, that was the sound of a can opening.

665
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:43,820
Oh, we're used to that.

666
00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:44,920
Yeah, I have.

667
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,660
I can I can identify that in a waveform.

668
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,400
That's actually a really good skill.

669
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,300
It's all right.

670
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,300
Look at this waveform and what happened right there at 39 seconds.

671
00:32:57,740 --> 00:33:02,580
I believe that was a I think that was a tall, a tall boy rainier.

672
00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:05,080
Actually, you can get the exact.

673
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,240
Oh, that frequency.

674
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,880
Mm hmm. That's a fine vintage.

675
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,480
Almost almost out.

676
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,720
It's like right on the edge.

677
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,020
Maybe was outside for a little bit in a cooler.

678
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:17,420
I don't know.

679
00:33:17,420 --> 00:33:20,420
Oh, I would call that a 54 degree

680
00:33:20,420 --> 00:33:24,520
PBR with the into the line.

681
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,480
Peter, that's the auto audio.

682
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,620
And he's like, Oh, I'm sorry.

683
00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:32,260
You got you got a short pour in that can.

684
00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:33,800
That's yeah.

685
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,220
No, that was all air.

686
00:33:35,220 --> 00:33:37,560
That one just bubbles.

687
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,640
Enjoy all those burps and hiccups later. Sucker.

688
00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:45,580
So I don't know if you.

689
00:33:45,580 --> 00:33:47,740
Have ever listened to us and it's OK.

690
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,180
Never once.

691
00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:52,740
No, just going to listen to some episodes in preparation.

692
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:55,720
And also when when Peter told me about starting a podcast

693
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,440
that was about Nicholas Cage movies.

694
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,320
Oh, OK, perfect.

695
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,480
Well, I was just going to say I'm Nick.

696
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,760
Hello, Nick.

697
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,060
And this is my cohost, Sean.

698
00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:06,260
Sean, I'm Sean.

699
00:34:06,260 --> 00:34:08,060
It's so gross.

700
00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:09,800
It's like never mind.

701
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,300
And who are you?

702
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:12,060
The long pause.

703
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:13,860
Who the hell are you?

704
00:34:13,860 --> 00:34:15,040
It's one upset.

705
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,260
What the fuck?

706
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:18,100
I'm. Oh, we can swear.

707
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:19,440
I didn't. Yeah.

708
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,280
Yeah, please.

709
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,000
This is an NPR.

710
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,180
I forgot. And this mic really had me.

711
00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:25,240
NPR loves swears. Yeah.

712
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,540
Go on NPR and just say the craziest shit.

713
00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:29,140
It'll be fine.

714
00:34:29,140 --> 00:34:30,020
You know, they're tiny.

715
00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:33,820
Oh, yeah, they had gore like they have to be.

716
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,320
You can't hear the fake blood through the through the audio format.

717
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,560
I don't know why you would have gore.

718
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,000
Yeah, it is actually very disappointing that they don't just put visqueen

719
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,100
down over the entire tiny desk.

720
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:48,400
You know, I would have.

721
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,400
Yeah.

722
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:53,400
You know, honestly, it's probably the lack of Dave Brocke.

723
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,640
If Dave was still around, things a little cleaner.

724
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,240
Oh, it was still around.

725
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:59,940
I feel like they wouldn't.

726
00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:02,220
Well, they wouldn't have been invited on.

727
00:35:02,220 --> 00:35:06,660
But they probably would have just discreetly trashed it.

728
00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:09,860
Discreetly trash it.

729
00:35:09,860 --> 00:35:11,700
That's classy. That's maturity.

730
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:15,760
You know, that's where you hide all the blood and semen pumps in.

731
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,060
Like nipple suits. Smart. Yeah.

732
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,100
I've been to libraries.

733
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:20,660
I don't know this.

734
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:24,740
God, I hope you guys know who gore is and what we're talking about.

735
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:27,180
People know I've been to the.

736
00:35:27,180 --> 00:35:27,880
OK, all right.

737
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,120
Personally, the overlap, the Venn diagram of people who listen to this podcast

738
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,040
and know gore is a circle.

739
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,120
Fair point.

740
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,620
Goire show coming up this year.

741
00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:38,920
Hey, nice.

742
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,580
Congratulations.

743
00:35:39,580 --> 00:35:42,620
Fifth one this year, fifth one, fifth total total.

744
00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:45,700
Yeah. Fifth one this year, fifth one comma this year.

745
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,600
Oh, man. No, if I was if I was just a gore groupie,

746
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,960
you guys would have known about it.

747
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,740
Is there a name for gore group?

748
00:35:53,740 --> 00:35:55,840
I literally was going to have. Yeah, I was going to.

749
00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:57,500
Gore piece.

750
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:59,640
You know.

751
00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:02,500
Come along.

752
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:04,580
Yeah. Come along.

753
00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:05,440
It's pretty good.

754
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,620
Gore goyals.

755
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:08,940
That's too cute. Never mind.

756
00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:10,340
I rescind.

757
00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:12,780
I rescind the gore goyals.

758
00:36:12,780 --> 00:36:15,340
Bo Habs. Bo Habs.

759
00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:18,640
We know when we have Eric on later, we talk about ICP

760
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,160
and the Juggalo community in Bellingham.

761
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:23,260
Oh, God.

762
00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:25,660
In Juggalo community.

763
00:36:25,660 --> 00:36:28,400
Yeah, I mean, that ties into Army of One.

764
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,960
I mean, gore doesn't tie into Moonstruck, doesn't it?

765
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,460
Gore doesn't get anything.

766
00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:35,360
We're talking about Moonstruck today, folks.

767
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,760
Kick us off.

768
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,040
We already did.

769
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,100
As you surely guessed.

770
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:41,040
All right, Nick, take it again.

771
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,300
What do we what do we do here, Nick?

772
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:47,040
Oh, so on this podcast, we generally like

773
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,620
are we here for the Nicolas Cage one tonight?

774
00:36:49,620 --> 00:36:52,680
Yes. OK, so tonight we're talking about Nicolas Cage.

775
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,560
Yeah, not gore tonight. Yeah. Wow.

776
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,060
On this podcast, we take this is not fucking an animal.

777
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,660
Oh, on this podcast, we take 64 Nick Cage movies,

778
00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:06,160
Final Four Bracket style and

779
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,140
face them off against each other, pair them off.

780
00:37:08,140 --> 00:37:09,400
There we go. Those are words.

781
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,240
That is leading the witness.

782
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:16,100
We'll eventually figure out what the ultimate Nick Cage film is.

783
00:37:16,180 --> 00:37:18,980
Yeah. Based on metrics that change constantly.

784
00:37:19,740 --> 00:37:21,220
Sometimes it's most cagey.

785
00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:22,920
Sometimes it's most rewatchable.

786
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,020
Sometimes it's whatever.

787
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:25,580
Army of One. Sometimes whatever.

788
00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:27,480
Sometimes it's just whatever.

789
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,660
Yeah. Or sometimes you are.

790
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,200
For whatever reason, it's always not whatever eight millimeter

791
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,420
goes up against, which shocking.

792
00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:39,700
Well, eight millimeter keeps going up against lesser films. But

793
00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:45,140
to address the point of what pisses me off, those are miscarriages of justice.

794
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,500
So and this is a court of law in podcast world.

795
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:51,440
Fuck, I'm a terrible judge.

796
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,840
I forgot my gavel.

797
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,220
Oh, man. How are you going to judge?

798
00:37:55,220 --> 00:37:56,940
Have you reached out to Judge John Hodgman yet?

799
00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:57,620
No, not yet.

800
00:37:57,620 --> 00:38:00,980
Oh, any anything can be a gavel if you use your imagination.

801
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,060
Peter still has the audio from the last gavel, so I'll just say bang.

802
00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:07,520
I do have a good gavel clip.

803
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,920
So whack. Yeah.

804
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,800
Whack, whack. Bang, bang, bang.

805
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,800
So we're joined here with a guest.

806
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,040
I'm Nick.

807
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:16,940
You're not the guest.

808
00:38:16,940 --> 00:38:19,140
Fuck off. Fuck. Hi, Lauren.

809
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,200
Where? Oh, it's me.

810
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,440
You're the guest.

811
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,720
Oh, this is not an audition to take over my role.

812
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,480
Unless you like it.

813
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,060
Unless I like it.

814
00:38:32,060 --> 00:38:33,280
This is not a.

815
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,820
Yeah, I prepared a 32 bar excerpt and he is he just follow my lead.

816
00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:41,720
OK, somebody prepared today.

817
00:38:42,860 --> 00:38:43,900
We're here.

818
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:47,360
I didn't even change shorts.

819
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,100
Since I.

820
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:51,400
Should have.

821
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:53,400
We're not here for your questions.

822
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,700
We're here for your answers.

823
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:55,440
Yeah.

824
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,700
Just not interviewers.

825
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:59,940
My bad, my bad, my bad.

826
00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:01,880
Where is your 32 bar excerpt?

827
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,520
Huh? You do not want that from any of us.

828
00:39:05,420 --> 00:39:07,320
And away and attack.

829
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,080
I'm not a 32 bar excerpt.

830
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,860
I'm just a single crescendo.

831
00:39:11,860 --> 00:39:14,800
Oh, what sound can you give me a little

832
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,400
you bring up what that sound is?

833
00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:25,780
We've been doing this for two years.

834
00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:26,740
How have I never seen that?

835
00:39:26,740 --> 00:39:27,700
Oh, about to.

836
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:32,580
What?

837
00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:34,480
All right.

838
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,580
Otherwise, welcome to.

839
00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:37,820
Cain's mess.

840
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,680
So I've been in one parade in my life.

841
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,320
Go on.

842
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:49,000
So in high school, we have I came from a pretty small town

843
00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:52,300
and we had this thing called River Fest.

844
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:55,160
We were right along the Columbia River, and every year

845
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,140
they'd have the River Fest princesses and the Kiwanis Club would do things

846
00:39:59,140 --> 00:40:00,440
and whatever doesn't matter.

847
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,740
There was a parade involved.

848
00:40:01,740 --> 00:40:05,140
And so one year I was like, ah, like, you know what?

849
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,240
I bet there's no rules against this.

850
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:08,780
I'm not going to read into it.

851
00:40:08,780 --> 00:40:09,820
I'm just going to apply.

852
00:40:09,820 --> 00:40:11,940
So I applied to be a River Fest princess.

853
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,080
And the story went exactly where I wanted it to.

854
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,220
There is exactly no rules prohibiting men from being River Fest princesses.

855
00:40:20,260 --> 00:40:21,820
As it should be.

856
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:26,100
Air, but you air, but you air, but yeah, I did.

857
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:28,700
I just put it all out there.

858
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:30,260
So was it was it real?

859
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:32,260
Was there a rule about dogs?

860
00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:33,700
River princesses?

861
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:38,640
You know, we'll never know because they stopped after this year.

862
00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:41,020
The year that I did it.

863
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:42,040
Well, I mean, I went all the way.

864
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,640
I did. I kind of participated in the canned food drive

865
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,980
and I kind of participated in the public service stuff,

866
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:51,920
but I definitely participated in the parade

867
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,160
where I got to sit in a 65 Bel Air and just wave like this.

868
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,320
And they gave me a crown to wear.

869
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,000
That was decidedly larger than all the women's crowns.

870
00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:05,300
And it's like they didn't even want me there,

871
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:08,860
but they had to give me the bigger one because, you know, you're a giant head.

872
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:11,040
Yeah. Massive dome.

873
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,800
Yeah, it's my dome.

874
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,680
So I got to be in this parade.

875
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,480
And as the Riverside princess, the Kiwanis Club stiffed me

876
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,180
for my short, a very small scholarship they were supposed to give me,

877
00:41:23,780 --> 00:41:28,760
which I can't really fault them for as I barely participated in the process.

878
00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:33,720
I I pointed out the problem and the next year a bunch of other dudes applied

879
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:36,000
and they're like, we can't do this and shut it down.

880
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,840
They could just come up with a rule to stop that.

881
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:40,460
Nope. They're like, we.

882
00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:43,040
Or they could have just said princes and princess.

883
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,240
Like you really could just say and really could.

884
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:50,020
I could have just added a conjunction.

885
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,620
So obviously, we're here today to talk about Moonstruck.

886
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,000
I said that earlier.

887
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,460
Obvious.

888
00:41:59,460 --> 00:42:01,960
I'm here to talk about non sequiturs.

889
00:42:02,060 --> 00:42:04,860
Yeah, it is a super moon tonight.

890
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,740
So congratulations, Bella Luna.

891
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:09,300
Bella Luna.

892
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:11,340
That's a hot fucking moon. That's Cosmo's moon.

893
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,000
That's Cosmo's moon.

894
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,580
Lauren, who are you?

895
00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:18,540
Who? I mean, that's a big question.

896
00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:19,820
My man.

897
00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:24,780
I am a former Riverside princess.

898
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,420
And I'm here with the grudge

899
00:42:28,860 --> 00:42:31,320
because you have besmirched the good name of our institution.

900
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,560
That's what I live for.

901
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,160
No, I'm just kidding.

902
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,700
Gosh, I I am a friend of Peter's,

903
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:43,340
but also an arts person, a theater person

904
00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:47,540
and a big fan of talking bullshit about movies.

905
00:42:49,540 --> 00:42:54,240
I think that's maybe the most relevant introduction

906
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:55,940
I could possibly give you.

907
00:42:55,940 --> 00:43:00,080
OK, biggest live performance

908
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,980
doesn't have to be directly involved with you.

909
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:04,880
Ooh, ooh, la, la.

910
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,360
I'm going to come back with my own right afterwards.

911
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,920
And it's a doozy.

912
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,060
Well, there was an almost mishap,

913
00:43:11,060 --> 00:43:15,840
which was that in one of the shows that that I wrote,

914
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:19,200
I had several layers of clothing.

915
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,640
One of them was supposed to be safety pin.

916
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,580
The other one was not.

917
00:43:21,580 --> 00:43:23,580
Somehow someone safety pins both.

918
00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:25,740
And I was I was there was basically like a quick change

919
00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:27,240
that I was supposed to do.

920
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,140
But both things have been pinned together.

921
00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:32,180
Move it on visual.

922
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,080
Both both items of clothing had been safety pinned together.

923
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:40,780
So for a brief moment, I very nearly had to go out on stage

924
00:43:41,020 --> 00:43:44,860
with no shirt on and had no opportunity to come back.

925
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,320
There would have been no opportunity to come off stage

926
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,820
because the shirts were pinned together.

927
00:43:49,820 --> 00:43:53,220
It is the closest I've come to like an actual heart attack

928
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:56,200
or a burlesque performance,

929
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,800
depending on how you look at it.

930
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,400
And you.

931
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,880
That's pretty fantastic.

932
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,640
I oh, God.

933
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,820
I was never much of an onstage guy.

934
00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:13,320
So I did a lot of lighting design and whatnot

935
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,520
through college and afterwards.

936
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,360
But but I'm up at the lighting console

937
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,360
and I'm having an off mic conversation

938
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,760
or off headset conversation with my spot op.

939
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,740
And it gets into like an escalating kind of dare thing

940
00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:31,600
because neither of us were really invested in the show

941
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,640
at this point. We'd seen it.

942
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,400
And so like I'm now sitting in the booth

943
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,340
like without pants on running the console.

944
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,540
And then that's just how you get comfortable.

945
00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:47,920
I feel like you should put that in like a writer.

946
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,880
Yeah. So I accidentally kicked the power supply,

947
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,920
kicked the power supply out of the console.

948
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,260
And then all the lights in the house and everything went out

949
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:02,600
like mid mid show and like you had to run out.

950
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,380
I'm scrambling to like get my shit back on

951
00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:08,180
the lights as I'm here.

952
00:45:08,180 --> 00:45:12,780
Well, initially pants because I can hear the stairs

953
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,160
and I can hear people coming up to see what the fuck happened.

954
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,760
And I've got like my stage manager

955
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,820
completely oblivious to what I'm dealing with,

956
00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:29,400
trying to like address this situation.

957
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,700
And then pretty soon, like the head of my department is up there

958
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,600
and he's like, I'm like, I mean, luckily it's dark in the booth too, right?

959
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,800
And I get my shit back together.

960
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,800
Your all pants are on in here. Don't worry, folks.

961
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,400
As we're fighting the power supply that got kicked out

962
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,640
and getting the show back in.

963
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,620
So long story short, ETC really needs to get their shit together

964
00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:54,520
and put like.

965
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,420
Chastity locks on your pants.

966
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:58,220
No, no, pants.

967
00:45:58,220 --> 00:46:00,420
It's theater pants are coming off.

968
00:46:01,460 --> 00:46:04,900
They need to secure the power supply in the back of their consoles.

969
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,700
The power supply is that what you call it?

970
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:09,060
Yeah. Yeah.

971
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:12,040
You could just come over here and secure this power supply.

972
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:14,240
Perfect. OK.

973
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:15,800
So, Lauren, why don't you tell us about Moonstruck?

974
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,240
Yeah. Give us a quick run.

975
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,340
Oh, my God. Of the movie Moonstruck.

976
00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:21,440
Yeah. Just pull up the Wikipedia page.

977
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,240
Just read. So, OK.

978
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:28,280
So Cher is

979
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,380
unyassified. She is noified.

980
00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:37,160
She is she is made to look less cute than she currently is in 1987.

981
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:44,060
And she she is proposed to by a man old enough to be her father,

982
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:45,660
whose name is Johnny.

983
00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:50,800
And he as soon as as soon as he proposes,

984
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,900
he leaves the country to go visit his ailing mother.

985
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:59,480
And then Cher has to go tell everyone in her family

986
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,540
and everyone in his family, they're going to get married next month,

987
00:47:02,540 --> 00:47:03,740
because that's how long it takes.

988
00:47:03,740 --> 00:47:05,080
That's proper wedding planning.

989
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,680
Yes, exactly.

990
00:47:08,420 --> 00:47:09,580
Yeah, I mean,

991
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,720
and as she's talking to Johnny's family,

992
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:18,100
she meets Johnny's much, much, much, much younger brother,

993
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:21,840
Nicholas Cage, who I mean, of course, of course,

994
00:47:22,540 --> 00:47:28,640
as as any sane person would do, Nicholas Cage of Cher hit it off

995
00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:33,320
whilst this grandpa aged fiance is away.

996
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:38,060
And it is a film where every character thinks

997
00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:40,060
that they're the main character of an opera.

998
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,820
And maybe they are.

999
00:47:41,820 --> 00:47:44,020
Maybe that's what this film is.

1000
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:47,100
Yeah, I know his name is Johnny and Ronnie.

1001
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:49,100
I got it this time.

1002
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,640
Dick ass.

1003
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,440
Peter is writing down their names, Johnny and Ronnie for me,

1004
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,440
because I was getting confused last time.

1005
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:00,940
But which one's which, Sean?

1006
00:48:00,940 --> 00:48:03,280
Ooh, Ronnie said Nicholas Cage.

1007
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,080
You got it. Yes.

1008
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,380
Brilliant. Let's see.

1009
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:09,320
Wait, is there a cute mnemonic we can give you in some in some

1010
00:48:09,980 --> 00:48:13,860
like how does how does Ronnie and prosthetic hand?

1011
00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:17,400
And how do we make that a nice little pun?

1012
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,040
Ronnie Tremaine.

1013
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,840
That will be confusing at all.

1014
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,920
Now, Ronnie Tremaine, I'll remember that famous famous cripple.

1015
00:48:27,340 --> 00:48:29,920
Oh, wait. No. Oh.

1016
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,880
Oh, that got that got you, Nick.

1017
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,080
No, I laugh at your jokes. You know better.

1018
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:39,720
No, I think everyone in this movie thinks they're the main character

1019
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:42,420
in an opera sums it up really well. Absolutely.

1020
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:44,760
And maybe that was what Shana was going for.

1021
00:48:45,020 --> 00:48:50,360
I think it's still wild that the amount of time between engagement

1022
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,660
to sleeping with your fiance's brother is less than 24 hours.

1023
00:48:54,740 --> 00:48:57,040
Yeah. It is the next day. Yeah.

1024
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,680
He's he's a yeah.

1025
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,280
He's a wolf. He's got a wolf inside him.

1026
00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:06,140
Is this where the two wolves things come came from? Yes.

1027
00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:09,880
There are three wolves, two two wolves inside you.

1028
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,120
One of them is Nicholas Cage.

1029
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,680
One of them wants a well done steak and one.

1030
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,360
Yes. And we'll not get it.

1031
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,160
OK, so Sean, here's your tattoo.

1032
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,360
Two of one of them with Nicholas Cage's face.

1033
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,340
One of them is a straight up wolf.

1034
00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:27,440
The other one is a wolf with a cage face.

1035
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:31,800
That's like an old manuscript.

1036
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,940
One of them is John Travolta.

1037
00:49:33,940 --> 00:49:35,480
One of them is Nicholas Cage.

1038
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,440
Two wolves. One is John Travolta and one is Nicholas Cage.

1039
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,380
I refuse to get a Travolta tattoo.

1040
00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:44,180
Everyone's got a Travolta wolf in you.

1041
00:49:44,180 --> 00:49:47,920
Technically, underneath that face is a cage heart.

1042
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,480
That's true.

1043
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,320
I'll just get a face of John Travolta.

1044
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,020
I'll get a tattoo of John Travolta and just tell everyone it's Nick Cage.

1045
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,000
Perfect.

1046
00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:59,360
So, Lauren, had you seen this movie before?

1047
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,800
Um, no, I hadn't.

1048
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,460
So so the reason I was excited about it

1049
00:50:03,460 --> 00:50:06,200
is because so I just graduated from a program,

1050
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,000
a musical theater writers program called BMI, Lame and Engel

1051
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,880
musical theater writers, something, something workshop.

1052
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,880
And so one of my colleagues in so in year two of this program,

1053
00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:22,080
they the assignment is to adapt a film.

1054
00:50:22,380 --> 00:50:25,080
And one of my colleagues chose to adapt Moonstruck.

1055
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,160
And I was like, why does this film seem so perfect to be adapted to a musical?

1056
00:50:30,860 --> 00:50:34,300
And so it's perfect because it's such high camp.

1057
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:35,860
Is there is there a my hands on?

1058
00:50:35,860 --> 00:50:38,760
My hand, my wife.

1059
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,440
And I think I think it's because Shanley had opera in mind, like it's so full of

1060
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,680
like references specifically to Bo M.

1061
00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:48,340
Like the soundtrack is half Bo M anyway.

1062
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,780
And like core points in the plot, you know, revolve around going to see

1063
00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:59,480
like the date that Sharon and Nicholas Cage have to go see Bo M at the Met.

1064
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:02,420
Like, I think that what they were going for was like,

1065
00:51:02,420 --> 00:51:06,460
let's pretend this is an opera, but nobody's saying because like, like

1066
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:09,120
the definition of melodrama, right, is melodic drama.

1067
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,760
Like that's the word like the etymology of that word.

1068
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,300
Melodramatic is like.

1069
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:18,880
If you call somebody melodramatic, you're calling them opera ish,

1070
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,280
you know, which is like, of course, that's Nicholas Cage.

1071
00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:29,280
If if any actor is fucking by his own, by his own admission,

1072
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,460
you know, he's not into the naturalistic.

1073
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,100
I love your connection here with

1074
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,560
just being like, oh, you know, it's it's an opera, but nobody's singing.

1075
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:46,400
And now he's making movies where it's like, oh, no, it's it's a musical,

1076
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,940
but we're not going to promote it as a musical.

1077
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:51,100
It's like we need seats.

1078
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:54,980
Yeah, no, we're going to we're going to do a wicked movie with no music.

1079
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,680
Yeah, right. Those people are going to be so mad.

1080
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,020
Yeah, it's like, oh, well, you should have.

1081
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:02,520
You should just know if you want it to be a musical,

1082
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,660
then you should just know it's a musical.

1083
00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:06,380
But if you don't want it to be a musical, then like, we're not going to tell you.

1084
00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:09,300
And you'll just have to find out.

1085
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:12,360
Willy Wonka, Timothée Chalamet singing for some reason.

1086
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:18,100
Oh, me girls, you should have known there was a musical note in the logo.

1087
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:21,240
Yeah. Yeah.

1088
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:23,980
But also just like a weird even though Mean Girls, the film

1089
00:52:23,980 --> 00:52:27,940
that wasn't a musical already exists, that's already there.

1090
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:29,820
Yeah. That was my next thing.

1091
00:52:29,820 --> 00:52:32,780
Slapped. It's a good movie. Yeah. Yeah.

1092
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,960
Yeah. I hear that.

1093
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,780
I hear the musical movie is not so much.

1094
00:52:37,780 --> 00:52:41,420
I don't know. I let just let musicals be musicals.

1095
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,260
Thank you.

1096
00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:47,160
Good Lord. There's a market for it. It's fine.

1097
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,700
So we've we've seen this movie now at a bare minimum of three times.

1098
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:56,660
So I'm kind of curious to see what Nick and Sean have to say about watching it

1099
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,440
again and again and again by comparison.

1100
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,100
Yeah. Kind of fresh.

1101
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:05,640
But in a lens of seeing the opera version of it from Lauren.

1102
00:53:07,380 --> 00:53:09,340
This movie's great. I love it.

1103
00:53:09,340 --> 00:53:13,820
Yeah. It's just so no scene makes any sense.

1104
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,020
Like when Johnny is proposing and he's getting heckled

1105
00:53:18,020 --> 00:53:20,700
by everyone in the restaurant, that's a nice suit.

1106
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:23,320
He's ruining his suit.

1107
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,560
Oh, I wouldn't get on the floor in his suit.

1108
00:53:26,060 --> 00:53:29,960
Oh, he kneels down and Bobo's like,

1109
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:32,640
oh, he's got a wrinkle in his suit or whatever.

1110
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,940
Oh, man. Incredible.

1111
00:53:35,940 --> 00:53:37,640
Also, how best Bobo?

1112
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,080
I think this is the best Bobo.

1113
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,080
You think so? I have all the Bobos.

1114
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:45,580
Retirement Plan Bobo is really good, but that's because Ron Perlman.

1115
00:53:45,580 --> 00:53:47,860
Yeah. Talking about Iago and.

1116
00:53:47,860 --> 00:53:51,900
And he's just so like nonplussed about things.

1117
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:55,300
And he's I think retirement plan Bobo is better.

1118
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:56,300
Bobo.

1119
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,200
We're a Bobo podcast now.

1120
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,100
Yeah. It's a pro Bobo.

1121
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:03,060
Pro bono. Pro Bobo.

1122
00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:05,140
And you do it for free. So it is pro bono.

1123
00:54:05,140 --> 00:54:06,080
Come back for you.

1124
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,640
Go back for, I guess, retirement plan again.

1125
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,480
Yeah. The monkey.

1126
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,740
No, that's a bonobo.

1127
00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:16,920
Wasn't the monkey on the Simpsons Bobo?

1128
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,320
But it is it is it is it is it's pro bono, pro Bobo.

1129
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,760
But it's not on Bono.

1130
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,020
Is it the pro bono, pro bono, pro Bobo?

1131
00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:28,200
No, this is all Bobo. No bono.

1132
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,160
Oh, pro bono. No, no, no.

1133
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,740
Fuck. I had it.

1134
00:54:34,740 --> 00:54:35,700
So close. It's rough.

1135
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:36,700
It's a rough.

1136
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:38,780
That's what she said.

1137
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:42,780
Well, God, we're shock jocks now.

1138
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:46,680
And Peter's the one who gets noise cancels.

1139
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:49,940
He's really trying to get my weekends back.

1140
00:54:49,940 --> 00:54:51,320
Yeah, I get it.

1141
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,120
It's Monday.

1142
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,780
We've been doing this for two and a half years.

1143
00:54:54,780 --> 00:54:57,720
It's far deep. We're deep in.

1144
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:00,560
I got to call my boss.

1145
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:01,660
Just know everybody.

1146
00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:02,460
I call my mom.

1147
00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:05,200
Because like the next scene, she drops off at the airport

1148
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,300
and then the old woman puts a curse on the plane.

1149
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:08,800
Yeah. Oh, yeah, I like that.

1150
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,940
And then tells her about it.

1151
00:55:10,940 --> 00:55:13,200
Yeah, like, oh, yeah, you saw you.

1152
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,600
You know someone on that plane.

1153
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,880
I did curse it. So sorry.

1154
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,020
Final destination for.

1155
00:55:20,020 --> 00:55:21,540
Yeah, like nobody.

1156
00:55:21,540 --> 00:55:23,780
Yeah, for it came out like 20 years.

1157
00:55:23,780 --> 00:55:25,780
But yeah, yeah.

1158
00:55:25,780 --> 00:55:28,060
You know, I make this joke, but then the star,

1159
00:55:28,060 --> 00:55:29,680
the star is prequels exist.

1160
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,060
True enough. Yeah.

1161
00:55:31,060 --> 00:55:33,720
Yeah. Final destination origins.

1162
00:55:33,820 --> 00:55:36,720
Every part of this movie is just so unhinged and makes no sense

1163
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:37,700
and should be bad.

1164
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:39,060
And it's great.

1165
00:55:39,060 --> 00:55:40,400
I love this film so much.

1166
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,100
Yeah. This this film is a great ensemble film.

1167
00:55:44,140 --> 00:55:47,740
It it succeeds in every scene.

1168
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,740
It like it doesn't have to have Nicolas Cage.

1169
00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:53,180
It's Cher is terrific.

1170
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:55,480
The grandpa is terrific.

1171
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,720
The dogs are terrific.

1172
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:01,460
The uncle and aunt who are just horned up for each other after all these years.

1173
00:56:01,460 --> 00:56:02,660
I get misty.

1174
00:56:02,660 --> 00:56:06,660
Like for some reason, I'm like tearing up like I just I just love each other.

1175
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:10,260
So that that scene is a terrific couple.

1176
00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:11,320
They're nice.

1177
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,000
John Mahoney is great.

1178
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,600
I love the liquor store owner and his wife are great.

1179
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,400
The hairdresser even is like she's got a whole life.

1180
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,540
The one who's like, I've been waiting to cover your grades for three years.

1181
00:56:23,540 --> 00:56:26,400
Like it was like the scene is this long

1182
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,640
and you've got a whole back story for this woman.

1183
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,080
Like, what are we doing?

1184
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:30,980
Everyone is good.

1185
00:56:30,980 --> 00:56:34,820
OK, did we have we figured out what the like the timeline for the entire film

1186
00:56:34,820 --> 00:56:36,620
is, how many days this takes place over?

1187
00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:39,060
I mean, I think it's like a week maximum.

1188
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:41,460
It's like an episode of 24.

1189
00:56:41,460 --> 00:56:43,260
Yeah, an episode of 20.

1190
00:56:45,420 --> 00:56:48,860
I have never chain smoked so many cigarettes than when

1191
00:56:48,860 --> 00:56:52,660
24 was on the air, and I'm not even like that into like

1192
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,400
watching TV shows, but I would go home and like

1193
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,600
it would be Christmas break and I'd go up to my parents' house and I'd

1194
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,440
pull out the newest Blu Ray or DVD set of 24.

1195
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:10,280
Watch the whole season and just like chain smoke the whole time.

1196
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,340
And then my dad would get he worked swing shifts.

1197
00:57:13,340 --> 00:57:17,540
He'd come home at like four in the morning and we just sit there and smoke cigarettes.

1198
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,820
This was a disgusting time when people smoked indoors,

1199
00:57:21,820 --> 00:57:24,060
aka the early 2000s.

1200
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,760
That's smoking indoors.

1201
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,460
No, that's where you were.

1202
00:57:28,460 --> 00:57:30,020
If it's your own house.

1203
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:33,860
Well, they didn't get rid of it until like what, 2005?

1204
00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:34,920
That's fair. I lived in.

1205
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,760
I lived in San Francisco.

1206
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,760
So I was 21 because I was still smoking in bars.

1207
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:43,680
So, Lauren, you would you would cast yourself as a fan of this movie, right?

1208
00:57:44,140 --> 00:57:46,200
I would. I mean, it's it's it's a weird one.

1209
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,380
You're absolutely right that it shouldn't work.

1210
00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:49,880
It shouldn't make sense.

1211
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,980
But I mean, there's there's some moments that sort of take you out of it.

1212
00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:57,080
I think like there are some moments that are like those cat callers are

1213
00:57:57,580 --> 00:58:01,620
violently staring at Cher like, you know, like, why?

1214
00:58:01,620 --> 00:58:06,180
Why is the camera still on those cat callers still as a construction worker?

1215
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:08,780
I feel particularly called out.

1216
00:58:08,780 --> 00:58:10,960
Called out. Yeah.

1217
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,220
What do you have against cat calling?

1218
00:58:14,220 --> 00:58:15,800
So much my friends.

1219
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,560
I do really like when she comes out to the store and accidentally walks

1220
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,100
like almost bumps into the nuns and then just like, watch it.

1221
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,880
I was really hoping for more to be made of that moment.

1222
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,100
Like all it was was like face acting and there was no like verbal

1223
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:32,340
confirmation of what that interaction was.

1224
00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:35,540
I wanted I wanted the nuns to be involved somehow.

1225
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:41,020
I guess it was just a reminder of like she's up to cheat on her fiance.

1226
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,420
Of two days.

1227
00:58:44,420 --> 00:58:46,820
Oh, what the when she goes to confessional.

1228
00:58:47,460 --> 00:58:51,860
Oh, yeah. So I was wondering, do you do you think that the priest

1229
00:58:51,860 --> 00:58:54,360
actor was Cosmo, her dad?

1230
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,900
He showed a similar and they don't show him because he's a priest.

1231
00:58:58,900 --> 00:59:00,540
Yeah. And then Nimidi.

1232
00:59:00,540 --> 00:59:03,480
But I was like, is that fucking Cosmo?

1233
00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:05,080
Is that what's his name?

1234
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,180
Gardena? I don't know.

1235
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,880
His his last name is Gardena, which is a fucking sick ass name.

1236
00:59:12,020 --> 00:59:12,880
It's pretty good.

1237
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,580
It's a flower. My friend.

1238
00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:19,620
Jardinier. Oh, I do like if it had been Jardinier.

1239
00:59:19,620 --> 00:59:21,920
Now somebody's fluent.

1240
00:59:22,660 --> 00:59:25,800
Oh, this guy likes pickled vegetables.

1241
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,700
Yeah, this guy, he's got a small patch of agricultural land.

1242
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:33,000
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's Fancy Gardiner.

1243
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,640
Yeah. And he's a big meatball.

1244
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,200
He's a big meatball.

1245
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,720
No, the thought that I had was that he specifically like

1246
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,480
he specifically was he called her by name.

1247
00:59:45,580 --> 00:59:47,780
And I was like, wait, are they not supposed to?

1248
00:59:47,780 --> 00:59:49,620
I've never been to confessional.

1249
00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:51,760
So if any of you have it's weird.

1250
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:53,720
Help clarify this.

1251
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,460
But like the point is that you can't see each other, right?

1252
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,400
Like the point is that the priest doesn't know who you are.

1253
00:59:59,460 --> 01:00:01,060
You don't know who the priest is.

1254
01:00:01,060 --> 01:00:05,460
You can't see each other in the same way that when you wear specific fishnets,

1255
01:00:05,460 --> 01:00:07,600
you can't see things.

1256
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,340
It's like, you know, it it kind of masks and obscures,

1257
01:00:11,340 --> 01:00:15,540
but you know who the priest is because you go to that church.

1258
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,640
This would be the one person

1259
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,820
standing up in front of everybody and talking anyway.

1260
01:00:20,140 --> 01:00:22,240
Yeah. And if you're a good Catholic,

1261
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,280
your priest is going to know who you are because you actually go to confession.

1262
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,380
And there's a whole rigmarole to get to that point

1263
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:30,720
where you have to learn a bunch of shit and have your first communion.

1264
01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:34,400
And you go into another room with the priest by yourself.

1265
01:00:34,660 --> 01:00:36,420
Alone with no other adults.

1266
01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:37,860
There's wine involved.

1267
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:40,460
He offers you a cookie.

1268
01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:44,500
Sounds like something I don't have to address about Catholicism.

1269
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:46,440
This sounds something.

1270
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,400
It sounds like something I don't remember.

1271
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,880
Don't like me for a lot of reasons.

1272
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:52,940
I got kicked out of.

1273
01:00:52,940 --> 01:00:55,480
Mom. I got kicked out of Sunday school.

1274
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,120
Kick out. Both of these things.

1275
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,960
Yeah, that's good. We're terrible.

1276
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:01,720
You're good hosts. Nice work.

1277
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,820
I need some actually to sip on. There you go.

1278
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,160
Anyway, the sentence, the sentence I was finishing was just that like,

1279
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:10,200
he calls her by name.

1280
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,300
He's like, OK, Loretta, think about the fact that you're cheating on your fiance.

1281
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:15,800
And I was like, that's is that OK?

1282
01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:17,800
Is that allowed?

1283
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,340
But they're they're divine. They know.

1284
01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:23,140
Yeah. OK, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Direct line.

1285
01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:25,380
All that. Anyway, go on, Peter.

1286
01:01:25,380 --> 01:01:27,180
You were going to say a whole other thing.

1287
01:01:27,180 --> 01:01:29,980
So Catholicism and the Olive Garden.

1288
01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:33,080
When you're here, your family, we just know each other.

1289
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:34,480
It's it's just what it is.

1290
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,620
And weird things happen out back. Yeah.

1291
01:01:36,620 --> 01:01:39,360
Tongue stuff. And there's an uncle you don't talk about.

1292
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:44,060
It's not your uncle in the church.

1293
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:47,100
When you would be

1294
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:50,400
it can't be your dad in the Catholic Church, but

1295
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:52,740
come at us Catholics.

1296
01:01:52,740 --> 01:01:55,600
Yeah. Well, I only recognize the Holy Father.

1297
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,500
OK. Let's do a round Robin.

1298
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:01,480
Here are favorite scenes.

1299
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,880
I mean, my hand, my bride's classic, but I still

1300
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,520
is the end when everyone's just sitting there waiting oatmeal.

1301
01:02:09,660 --> 01:02:12,780
Yeah. The oatmeal scene is definitely my favorite.

1302
01:02:14,420 --> 01:02:15,220
Yeah.

1303
01:02:15,220 --> 01:02:18,020
I OK.

1304
01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:22,260
My favorite scene, including Nicholas Cage, is

1305
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,840
the breakfast table at the end.

1306
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,740
My favorite scene, not including Nicholas Cage,

1307
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,000
is when all the old men are hanging out at that grave

1308
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,580
and the dogs are just walking over people's graves and like peeing on stuff.

1309
01:02:34,580 --> 01:02:38,580
And he reckons Grandpa is just complaining about his shithole son.

1310
01:02:38,580 --> 01:02:43,020
Who won't pay for the wife or pay for his shares wedding.

1311
01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:44,580
It's so good.

1312
01:02:44,580 --> 01:02:46,180
I just love that old man.

1313
01:02:46,180 --> 01:02:50,120
And I love just knowing that the actor is deaf

1314
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,600
and he's just sitting there like waiting for people to stop talking, to say his.

1315
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,900
I say this every time, but my favorite line in the film is during the

1316
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:02,540
breakfast scene and he just starts crying and Cosmos like, you OK, Pa?

1317
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,340
I'm confused.

1318
01:03:04,340 --> 01:03:06,500
Yes. Oh, I'm sorry.

1319
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:08,680
Even back it up even further.

1320
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,940
My favorite scene might be when all the dogs come into that house

1321
01:03:12,940 --> 01:03:15,320
and then the one dog misses the stairs.

1322
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,780
And it's on that stair every time I fucking die.

1323
01:03:18,780 --> 01:03:21,220
This is this is a stormtrooper bumping his head on the door.

1324
01:03:21,220 --> 01:03:23,460
Yes. It's such like a peak of reality.

1325
01:03:23,460 --> 01:03:25,560
And that's what I love about this stupid movie.

1326
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,060
It does feel authentic.

1327
01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:28,960
So, Lauren, what's your favorite?

1328
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:31,900
Oh, my God. That's a that's a tough question.

1329
01:03:31,900 --> 01:03:34,340
I mean, because I feel like, well, OK, so I mean,

1330
01:03:34,340 --> 01:03:38,540
the premise of this podcast, I must I must ask for clarification.

1331
01:03:38,540 --> 01:03:43,540
Are we specifically talking about the quality of Nicholas Cage

1332
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:48,120
or the quality of film or hard questions?

1333
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,520
That's for us to decide once you're off, Mike.

1334
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,980
Yeah. Once we've sent you home.

1335
01:03:56,660 --> 01:03:58,820
I don't know. It's a combination of things.

1336
01:03:58,820 --> 01:04:01,800
Best performance. Is it the most cagey performance?

1337
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,700
Is it the most cagey performance? Is it him embodying a character best?

1338
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:08,400
Is it more fun? I don't fucking know.

1339
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,240
Neither do we. It keeps it interesting every week. Yeah.

1340
01:04:13,740 --> 01:04:16,840
This is a lot of fucking hard rules.

1341
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,680
Yeah. Like regular court, we're horrible. Horrible.

1342
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,820
Optable. Yeah. Well, because because the gavel is gone.

1343
01:04:23,140 --> 01:04:25,280
How could there be justice with no gavel?

1344
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,360
You don't know. We we've got gavels.

1345
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,260
Whack, whack, whack, whack, whack. Yeah. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

1346
01:04:31,260 --> 01:04:33,600
You're right. I heard them.

1347
01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:37,640
I mean, I do. OK, I do.

1348
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,580
I mean, gosh, I sure did love.

1349
01:04:40,580 --> 01:04:42,940
And this is purely personal.

1350
01:04:42,940 --> 01:04:48,280
This is purely like I love the scene of the two of them going to the Met Opera

1351
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,880
and and share being like, I don't know about the opera.

1352
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:51,780
Have you ever been to the opera?

1353
01:04:51,780 --> 01:04:55,960
But I've been at the opera and then going and being like a wreck

1354
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,160
and just like being all open and feelings because like.

1355
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,460
I mean, as as a musical theater nerd, as somebody who is

1356
01:05:03,460 --> 01:05:09,060
who is partnered to an opera conductor who is in rehearsal currently for an opera

1357
01:05:09,060 --> 01:05:12,300
in a virtual opera festival, that's where he is right now.

1358
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,880
Like, it is so lovely to remind people

1359
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,280
that the point of art is not to be like over your head.

1360
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,840
It's it's not to be like we're going to look down on you

1361
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,180
if you don't do the etiquette properly, if you clap at the wrong time, whatever.

1362
01:05:27,180 --> 01:05:32,260
The point of art is to go feel feelings really big, especially, especially opera.

1363
01:05:32,260 --> 01:05:36,060
The point of opera is to make you feel really gigantic, outsized feelings.

1364
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:39,000
And that is that's all anyone is asking.

1365
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,360
That is all these these these legendary composers want from you

1366
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,200
is just to make you feel stuff really big.

1367
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,000
Yeah, it's not for the head, it's for the heart.

1368
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,640
I do love how she gets tripped up on the fact that like she dies

1369
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,840
because she has tuberculosis and she's hung up on like,

1370
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,940
but she kept singing with tuberculosis.

1371
01:05:55,940 --> 01:05:59,120
She's coughing her brains off, but she had to keep singing.

1372
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,620
It's like she couldn't quite tell like the difference between the actor

1373
01:06:02,620 --> 01:06:04,760
or the singer and the story.

1374
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,820
Like the line was a little blurred for her, which feels applicable

1375
01:06:08,820 --> 01:06:10,060
to the rest of the movie.

1376
01:06:10,060 --> 01:06:14,260
The rest of the movie isn't sure if real life needs to be naturalistic

1377
01:06:14,260 --> 01:06:18,600
and real or if real life needs to be a little a little extra big,

1378
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:19,840
a little melodramatic.

1379
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,100
But yeah, I just love that the moment where like like the hand holding

1380
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:26,380
where she like holds his wooden hand and like she's got tears

1381
01:06:26,380 --> 01:06:27,740
rolling down her cheeks.

1382
01:06:27,740 --> 01:06:31,180
Oh, it's just like that particular piece, too.

1383
01:06:31,180 --> 01:06:32,480
It's just so beautiful.

1384
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,820
Like, oh, I love it.

1385
01:06:33,820 --> 01:06:35,320
It just gives me feelings.

1386
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,920
So I still don't know if I've seen it share in any other

1387
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,820
acting performance like have you not seen Splash?

1388
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,420
Oh, OK, I've seen Splash.

1389
01:06:46,420 --> 01:06:47,300
She's not in Splash.

1390
01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:48,400
Mermaids, you're thinking Mermaids.

1391
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,300
Mermaids, yeah.

1392
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:51,340
Mermaids, which has no Mermaids in it.

1393
01:06:51,340 --> 01:06:55,040
Mermaids, Nerea Mermaids, Splash is Darryl Hannah.

1394
01:06:56,380 --> 01:07:00,780
This podcast is on hiatus until Mermaids has more Splash in it.

1395
01:07:00,780 --> 01:07:02,840
Did you did you watch Witches of Eastwick?

1396
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,580
Witches of Eastwick.

1397
01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:09,320
What was that one with Jack Nicholson is the devil that share and fuck.

1398
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,480
It's a couple other amazing actresses.

1399
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,720
They summon the devil because they want to fuck.

1400
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,820
And then he shows up as like a big.

1401
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:18,220
Oh, which is the beast.

1402
01:07:18,220 --> 01:07:19,500
This is incredible.

1403
01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:20,720
It's it's pretty good.

1404
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,840
I only ever remember the end of that movie, which is so unhinged.

1405
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,100
Yeah, the whole thing is.

1406
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:29,840
So, yeah, it's Cher, Susan Sarandon, Michelle Pfeiffer.

1407
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,640
I was a main like witches of Eastwick who summoned Jack Nicholson

1408
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,240
to be their weird fuck devil daddy.

1409
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:37,880
Fucked up, daddy.

1410
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,920
Who among us can say they haven't done that?

1411
01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:42,920
I mean, if I had a nickel.

1412
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,180
Yeah, right.

1413
01:07:44,180 --> 01:07:45,660
Because this is Nick Cage podcast.

1414
01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:47,720
How would you rate Nick Cage's performance on this?

1415
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:53,020
Oh, I mean, I I feel like I'm probably less of a Nicholas Cage scholar

1416
01:07:53,260 --> 01:07:57,860
than than most of the the obviously the host of this podcast

1417
01:07:57,860 --> 01:08:01,100
or the most of the other guests on this podcast.

1418
01:08:02,540 --> 01:08:06,740
But he certainly he rises to the camp level

1419
01:08:06,740 --> 01:08:10,940
that is required of a movie that thinks it's an opera without music.

1420
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,180
I think this is the most appropriate place for that level of melodrama.

1421
01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:21,120
The most like the most applicable lane for that kind of acting to be in.

1422
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,560
For that ridiculous, like there's a moment when he like scratches his face

1423
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,400
with the wooden hand, just like it's not even like there's not even like a lampshade

1424
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,300
hung on it, you know, they're just like at breakfast that the morning after.

1425
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:34,460
And he's like with his wooden hand, just scratches his face casually.

1426
01:08:34,460 --> 01:08:38,840
And he's like, I bet I bet the director didn't have to say that to him.

1427
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:39,940
I bet he came up with that.

1428
01:08:39,940 --> 01:08:41,980
I bet he was like, yeah, this is a normal thing.

1429
01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:48,760
I love how much this movie rises to Nicholas Cage's camp level.

1430
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:55,400
Like, I feel like everybody just brought themselves to his level

1431
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:56,300
because he was on this.

1432
01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:58,200
It's such a great performance overall.

1433
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:59,440
I love the over the top.

1434
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:01,100
Hammy is like, bring me the big knife.

1435
01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:02,100
Chrissy. Yeah.

1436
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:04,240
But then you'll have got Nick Cage.

1437
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:05,800
But when you put Nick Cage.

1438
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:07,100
He's like, yeah, I cut my throat.

1439
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:10,940
When he gives her the speech about how like loves messy and like nothing's

1440
01:09:10,940 --> 01:09:12,520
perfect, snow's perfect.

1441
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,020
And he gives us really impassioned, beautiful performance.

1442
01:09:16,020 --> 01:09:19,160
And just the next line just falls so flat.

1443
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,860
And it's just kind of like, oh, yeah, still in the cage movie.

1444
01:09:21,860 --> 01:09:22,860
Yeah.

1445
01:09:22,860 --> 01:09:24,360
But he is charming.

1446
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:25,560
It's young Nick Cage.

1447
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,060
He's got his fucked up teeth.

1448
01:09:27,060 --> 01:09:29,060
His original hair.

1449
01:09:29,060 --> 01:09:31,060
I think that it's the opposite.

1450
01:09:31,060 --> 01:09:34,060
It's not that the movie, the rest of the movie rises to Nicholas Cage's level.

1451
01:09:34,060 --> 01:09:36,060
It's that he like he's new.

1452
01:09:36,060 --> 01:09:37,280
I mean, he's a copula.

1453
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,280
So he like is in the film or whatever.

1454
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,280
He's doing a few things at this point.

1455
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,280
He's not as established as Cher.

1456
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:49,280
Like if we're producers sitting around the table, like who should we cast for this?

1457
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:53,280
Like, I don't think that Nicholas Cage is like an A at the time would have been like

1458
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:54,280
an A list.

1459
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,280
It wasn't Nick Cage.

1460
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:57,280
It wasn't Nick Cage.

1461
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:02,280
Cher refused to do the movie if they didn't hire Nick Cage because of Peggy Sue got married

1462
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,280
because she wanted a crazy guy to play a crazy guy.

1463
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,280
And like it's not it's not like the movie knows he's crazy.

1464
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,280
Like somehow the movie doesn't know he's crazy because like, okay, here's here's my my weird

1465
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,280
little theoretic thing.

1466
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:20,280
Like I think early in the movie, I think the beginning of the movie, it's like this is

1467
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:24,280
a regular naturalistic acting delivery of lines as usual film.

1468
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:30,280
We see Cher in like just like the shabbiest outfit you can you can possibly imagine.

1469
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:37,280
And then like it's like the conflict happens between normal life and like what if you live

1470
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,280
like an opera?

1471
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:43,280
And I feel like what the movie is saying is like, just fucking live high camp.

1472
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,280
Just like live your life like a fucking opera.

1473
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:54,280
And like like everyone's life gets massive and and super like romantic only after she

1474
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:58,280
starts to accept that things can be big and dramatic and can be.

1475
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:07,280
So it's like the thesis of the movie is like the conflict between normal life and and high

1476
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:08,280
camp.

1477
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:12,280
I'm like, can't wins because she wants to go to the opera and has the tears running down

1478
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:13,280
her face.

1479
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,280
It's like, so, OK, yeah, I do want to choose the guy with no hands.

1480
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,280
I do want to fucking choose the crazy man who's getting a knife to cut his throat two minutes

1481
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:22,280
into beating me.

1482
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:29,280
Her life with Johnny would have been so like boring and just a straight play.

1483
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:37,280
But yeah, but her life with Nicolas Cage has so many like just unidentifiable opportunities.

1484
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,280
Opportunities, opportunities.

1485
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:43,280
Yeah, yeah, you can have that.

1486
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:44,280
Thank you.

1487
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:45,280
Thank you.

1488
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,280
Being into camera was really nice for that.

1489
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,280
For this audio format.

1490
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,280
It's one of our strongest suits.

1491
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:55,280
Yeah.

1492
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:56,280
Lean into camera.

1493
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:57,280
Right.

1494
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,280
Gross.

1495
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,280
I hate you guys.

1496
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,280
Was that Axel F?

1497
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:05,280
It wasn't.

1498
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,280
I mean, you control our microphones.

1499
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,280
This is on you.

1500
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:10,280
Yeah.

1501
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:11,280
You have the power to stop this.

1502
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:12,280
I do.

1503
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:13,280
I do have that power.

1504
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:14,280
It's good.

1505
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:15,280
Go watch it.

1506
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:16,280
Yeah.

1507
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:17,280
Thank you, Lauren.

1508
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,280
It's a banger.

1509
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:19,280
Thank you.

1510
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:20,280
Yeah, really.

1511
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:21,280
It's good.

1512
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:22,280
No shit.

1513
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,280
It made the slick scene.

1514
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:25,280
Yeah, it's true.

1515
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:26,280
So did it.

1516
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,040
Yeah, Lauren, your face seems to indicate that you did not know that we called it the slicks

1517
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,280
teen for the sweet 16 instead because we're gross.

1518
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:42,280
I mean, it tracks tracks nothing next team being a Nicholas Cage.

1519
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,280
That's really good.

1520
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,280
Not affiliated would be easy.

1521
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:47,280
Yeah, too simple.

1522
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:52,280
Hard to transition from the next team to the master eight.

1523
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:53,280
Yeah.

1524
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,280
And then the final four.

1525
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:55,280
Yeah.

1526
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,280
Yeah.

1527
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:57,280
Yeah.

1528
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:58,280
We're okay.

1529
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,280
And then what?

1530
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:00,280
And then what?

1531
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:01,280
Go on.

1532
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:02,280
Big.

1533
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:03,280
So now that we really laid out.

1534
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:04,280
Oh, it's a face off.

1535
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,280
Once you get, yeah, once you get one against the other, it is face off.

1536
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:14,280
Now that we've really laid that out there, do you want to promote yourself at all?

1537
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:20,280
I'd like to formally associate my brand with the slicks team and the final four skin.

1538
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:28,280
My Instagram handle is Freeman dot band Freeman with one E unlike Morgan.

1539
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:33,280
For E.M.A.N. dot B.A.N.D.

1540
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:37,280
I swear I talk pretty one day.

1541
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,280
Yeah, me too.

1542
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,280
Me words good.

1543
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,280
Yeah, but now.

1544
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:45,280
Perfect.

1545
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:46,280
Fantastic.

1546
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:52,280
So let's wrap this thing up.

1547
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:57,280
OK, well, so Moonstruck versus Army of One.

1548
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:01,280
And we have pretty compelling arguments from both, I feel.

1549
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,280
I mean, both movies.

1550
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:10,280
Arguably have some of the most like extreme Nick Cage in his career in terms of performances.

1551
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:17,280
At very wildly different times in his career, just starting out and kind of in that realm of is he done?

1552
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,280
Yeah, the slump reinventing.

1553
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:20,280
Yeah.

1554
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,280
That's a nice way of saying the slump.

1555
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,280
I've been there.

1556
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,280
I'm reinventing as well.

1557
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:27,280
So am I.

1558
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:32,280
Mine involves more dresses.

1559
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:43,280
So, OK, Moonstruck, we have good arguments of just strong ensemble cast and strong thematic purposes or usage.

1560
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,280
Yeah. Thanks, Lauren.

1561
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:46,280
Great.

1562
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:50,280
I mean, fucking cover to cover every scene.

1563
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:51,280
Great. Every performance.

1564
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,280
Great. Like that movie.

1565
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:59,280
Hope like goes through so well and goes at such a clip because there's never a moment that's wasted.

1566
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,280
Yeah.

1567
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:04,280
But on the flip side, also an ensemble.

1568
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:09,280
Nicholas Cage is maybe a third of the film.

1569
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,280
He's the second lead.

1570
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:20,280
He's the second lead, which means there's another lead and there's other characters like he's not dominating the film.

1571
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:21,280
No, at all.

1572
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,280
It's a share film.

1573
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,280
Steals the show, though.

1574
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:26,280
I don't know.

1575
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,280
I think I think Cher still still owns the movie.

1576
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:34,280
Nicholas Cage, strong performance, memorable performance.

1577
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:35,280
I love it.

1578
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,280
It's a lot of fun.

1579
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:49,280
Like I mentioned earlier, I'm talking to Lauren like I forgot, like just there are so many great scenes of him just really acting his heart out and such great line delivery and just there's so much passion in that performance.

1580
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,280
Yeah, no, he didn't.

1581
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,280
He didn't leave anything on the table.

1582
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,280
He he committed really hard to this film.

1583
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:56,280
It was a lot of fun.

1584
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,280
It is a lot of fun to watch.

1585
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:02,280
It has not stopped being a good film.

1586
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,280
Man.

1587
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,280
And then man, there is army of one.

1588
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:12,280
It's a roller coaster that is only ups and screaming downs.

1589
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,280
And they're not even bad downs.

1590
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:18,280
It's just like so much fun throughout.

1591
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:22,280
There's a couple moments where the build feels a little long.

1592
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:28,280
Couple scenes where it it doesn't seem like we're just having fun.

1593
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:37,280
There's some extended there's some stuff and when he's in Pakistan and some of the extended just kind of like meandering that there's like there's little jokes there, but it's not really doing much for the film.

1594
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:46,280
Yeah, it's it's just jokes at that moment, which to a degree serve the purpose of showing a passage of time.

1595
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:59,280
But even the passage of time is not that much like that first time when he's in Pakistan and you get like eight, ten events and then it's like after that it's like day two.

1596
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,280
Yeah, that was day one.

1597
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:06,280
Okay, I I do still die when I see that day to screen.

1598
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:11,280
I'm just like, oh my God, he fucking shot his wad so early.

1599
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:18,280
And then the rest of the time he's just walking around an alleyway swinging a sword, which is so much fun.

1600
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,280
But narratively, it does.

1601
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:25,280
It's got a slump in that part of the film.

1602
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:33,280
I think where that movie really does shine the best is watching his interactions and his relationships with his friends and girlfriend.

1603
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:39,280
And yeah, you need to get him away from that to show the depths of how crazy that person is.

1604
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,280
But it's not served great at times.

1605
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:46,280
And the shit with him and Russell Brand is just so bad.

1606
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:59,280
I guess we have like a weird antithesis of like our dichotomy of we have a well developed world with Moonstruck where everybody like has a life.

1607
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:00,280
Yeah.

1608
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:10,280
Every character has something beyond the screen and a very well developed character, which makes sense because he's a real person.

1609
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:15,280
And the way he interacts with people is just very genuine.

1610
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:16,280
I would like to also.

1611
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:24,280
So one thing we talk about with Army of One is how much of a character and how much of a character performances is where you don't see Nick Cage in it.

1612
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:32,280
But at the same time, Moonstruck still so early in his career, so all those things we come to know Nick Cage as are still developing.

1613
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:38,280
So it's not like he's writing the character, the personage of Nick Cage for that performance either.

1614
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:42,280
No, no, he's not like riding it on coattails for sure.

1615
01:18:42,280 --> 01:19:02,280
And a lot of the things that really end up defining his career and his style are very much in development and kind of being I wouldn't say workshopped, but they're on display here in a way that there's a rawness to both performances.

1616
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:09,280
I think I might say that he's got Gary more polished, but he's also a much older actor at that point.

1617
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,280
Yes. Yeah, it's like 30 some odd years later.

1618
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:17,280
So no terrific, terrific, terrific pairing.

1619
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,280
Very difficult. Not something.

1620
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:27,280
It's not a one to one. No, I struggle with this and I have a lot of biases, but you just like to see yourself on the big screen.

1621
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:38,280
Yeah. No, I mean, I was pretty confident going into this that I'm just like, of course, I'm going to pick Moonstruck, but especially talking about Army of One with Eric and how much fun it is just to discuss.

1622
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:43,280
There's so much to be said for that. I could recommend Moonstruck to almost anyone.

1623
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:58,280
I could recommend Army of One to a much smaller group of people because I know while I think it's fun and while most of my friends, I think, will enjoy it for what it is, I know so many people who would just be completely turned off by that film at so many levels.

1624
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:12,280
Yeah, there there is a level that you have to overcome for Army of One. I mean, I would recommend either movie to anybody circumstantially.

1625
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:17,280
Army of One, I have to be able to recommend it to somebody who's going to watch it.

1626
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:31,280
Well, OK, you can watch Army of One in passing and love it. You can watch Army of One a second time and love it. You can watch Army of One a fourth time and love it.

1627
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:39,280
You can watch Moonstruck four times and love it. But if you're not paying attention, you need to pay attention that first time for sure.

1628
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:50,280
And at least a little bit, it's got lacy amounts of like script and story and three through line, but it's it's not an any time film.

1629
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:56,280
And I'm not I'm not saying that to talk myself out of it. This is a legitimately tough one for me.

1630
01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:03,280
It's OK, it's more limited in the recommendation. I think that's a fair assessment you're going to raise agreed

1631
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,480
It's a smarter recommendation.

1632
01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:06,480
Agreed.

1633
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:12,880
As far as like film critique goes, it's arguably got more going for it.

1634
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,880
A tighter script, more concise editing.

1635
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:21,480
It's got a lot of first draft energy on a lot of them with a lot of the writing, I feel.

1636
01:21:21,480 --> 01:21:22,480
Oh, yeah.

1637
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:23,480
Moonstruck?

1638
01:21:23,480 --> 01:21:24,480
Oh, Army of One, sorry.

1639
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,480
Were you talking about Moonstruck?

1640
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:28,480
Yeah, I was talking about Moonstruck.

1641
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:30,480
Oh, okay, I got lost in the conversation.

1642
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:32,480
No, I agree with both those things.

1643
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:35,680
As much as I love Army of One, I think I might have to go Moonstruck.

1644
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:41,480
I think there's just more there and a wider range of emotion and just so much that he

1645
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:43,480
just sells in that role.

1646
01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:48,480
It's not just, while it's a great joke, it's not just one joke for 90 minutes.

1647
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:51,480
I won't get tired of Johnny.

1648
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:53,480
Ronnie, thanks, Peter.

1649
01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:54,480
Fantastic.

1650
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:56,480
I had to refer to Peter's notes.

1651
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:58,480
Sorry for calling you a dick fuck.

1652
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:02,480
There's a certain point where I'm going to get tired of listening to Gary.

1653
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:07,480
Also, I know I know Gary's and oh my God, like there's there's an aspect of that character

1654
01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:10,480
that reminds me of people I know and I just it's funny.

1655
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:15,480
It's charming, but it's also mildly upsetting as someone who lives with obnoxiously.

1656
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:17,480
You live alone.

1657
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:19,480
Baring.

1658
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:21,480
Self-dunk.

1659
01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:28,480
As someone who lives with a lot of overbearing and like big emotions and emotional swings,

1660
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:30,480
I can relate to a Ronnie a lot more.

1661
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:32,480
And I don't know.

1662
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:33,480
I love seeing that on the big screen.

1663
01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:42,480
Yeah, it's a fantastic character and the role is well cast and Nicholas Cage.

1664
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:48,480
My struggle is it comes down all the way back to episode two.

1665
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:57,480
Which one is like my Nicholas Cage performance recommendation?

1666
01:22:57,480 --> 01:22:59,480
One of them is a Nicholas Cage movie.

1667
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:04,480
One of them is a great movie with Nicholas Cage.

1668
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:13,480
I have to fight every fiber in my being, but I'm going to recommend you watch Army of One

1669
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:18,480
and proceed with Moonstruck in the bracket.

1670
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:19,480
No, I think that's right.

1671
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:21,480
I would recommend I mean, I recommend people watch Army of One.

1672
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:24,480
I think Moonstruck is the better choice.

1673
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:27,480
You're never going to be upset watching Army of One.

1674
01:23:27,480 --> 01:23:30,480
If you want to watch Army of One, watch Army of One.

1675
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:33,480
Yes. If you don't want to watch Army of One, don't watch Army of One.

1676
01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:34,480
You should still do it.

1677
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:36,480
But yeah, I mean, do it.

1678
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:37,480
I like getting into. Yeah.

1679
01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:41,480
Yeah. But Moonstruck is a it's a terrific film.

1680
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:44,480
It's well put together. It's got feelings.

1681
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:46,480
It's got you hate feelings.

1682
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:49,480
Yeah. But I mean, other people don't.

1683
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:52,480
So I have to I have to bend for people.

1684
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:58,480
It's a well put together, ultimately enjoyable film that includes share dominantly.

1685
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:01,480
Yep. But Nicholas Cage where it counts. Yeah.

1686
01:24:01,480 --> 01:24:05,480
And his hand is wooden because he lost it in a slicer.

1687
01:24:05,480 --> 01:24:08,480
He lost his hand. He lost his bride.

1688
01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:09,480
Johnny has his hand.

1689
01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:12,480
Johnny has my bride, his bride.

1690
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:14,480
Do you want to do that one again?

1691
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:16,480
He has Johnny's bride. He does.

1692
01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:18,480
Good night, folks. Yeah.

1693
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:27,480
Well, I want to say we did also have our first drawing for a Patreon prize.

1694
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:31,480
Yeah. Today, I think I would like to keep something like that going.

1695
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:37,480
If you want to win something weirdly random and totally Nicholas Cage related,

1696
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:40,480
definitely we got some stickers we can give you.

1697
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:43,480
We're going to do a little bit of more promotional stuff on Patreon

1698
01:24:43,480 --> 01:24:45,480
if you want to support us and be a part of that.

1699
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:46,480
That's fucking awesome.

1700
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:48,480
We are Cage Match on Patreon.

1701
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:53,480
And thank you to our Sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam and Bill.

1702
01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:58,480
And to our Cage dancers, Ira, John, Freeman, Lance, Nathan and Cameron.

1703
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:01,480
It wasn't a dick pic. I just really want to put that out there.

1704
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:04,480
It was not a picture of a wiener. It's a Nick pic. Yeah.

1705
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:08,480
Thank you for coming to Cage Match, going around about way of meeting Nicholas Cage

1706
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:10,480
where all your podcast court needs are served.

1707
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:14,480
Bye bye. Bye bye.

1708
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:18,480
Do do do do do do do do do do.

1709
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:20,480
Whack whack whack.

1710
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:28,480
Bye bye.

1711
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:34,480
So, OK, I do you think this got me thinking,

1712
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:39,480
do you think sting makes sexual partners sign non completes?

1713
01:25:39,480 --> 01:25:53,480
How cool would it be if Discord had like a hearing impaired setting

1714
01:25:53,480 --> 01:25:57,480
that would auto transcribe everything we say

1715
01:25:57,480 --> 01:26:01,480
and then she had to just listen to us while we're on mute.

1716
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:03,480
It's a fucking nightmare.

1717
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:06,480
Just figure out like all the AI fuck ups. Yep.

1718
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:08,480
And I think I'm following.

1719
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:11,480
It's like, no, they couldn't possibly be talking about wieners

1720
01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:13,480
for a tenth minute straight.

1721
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:16,480
No, no, that's we that is our podcast.

1722
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:22,480
That's our bread and butter.

1723
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:25,480
My palest shade is white. OK.

1724
01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:28,480
But we're all pale shades of white here.

1725
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:32,480
How many of us have owned a sword at one point in our life?

1726
01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:34,480
I never have.

1727
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:38,480
I kind of always was jealous of people who had them, but I never had one.

1728
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:40,480
So that makes you the coolest person in this room.

1729
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:44,480
That actually makes you the whitest person of just like, I wish I owned a sword.

1730
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:48,480
I couldn't get one. OK, so I lusted for swords.

1731
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:52,480
No, I'm going to I'm going to be I'm going to fucking show how much of a fucking nerd I was.

1732
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:54,480
So you own a katana.

1733
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,480
I've owned a couple of swords. Yes. OK.

1734
01:26:56,480 --> 01:27:00,480
I've owned one sword and it wasn't even a real sword.

1735
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:03,480
It was like a replica for a video game.

1736
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:05,480
Guess what it was.

1737
01:27:05,480 --> 01:27:09,480
OK, wait, I also owned a replica sword, but from a book series.

1738
01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:13,480
OK. I am stumped on both of these.

1739
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:16,480
Guess the nerdiest sword you can.

1740
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:19,480
A buster sword. Close.

1741
01:27:19,480 --> 01:27:23,480
I mean, that was one number up.

1742
01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:27,480
One Final Fantasy eight. Yeah, the gun blade.

1743
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:28,480
Oh, well, gun blade. Yeah.

1744
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:30,480
Did it have a little charm on it? Yeah.

1745
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:31,480
Wow. All right.

1746
01:27:31,480 --> 01:27:33,480
And add a working trigger to.

1747
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:36,480
Yeah, sick. Did it shoot? No.

1748
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:38,480
But the gun blade didn't shoot either.

1749
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:41,480
Was it explosive shell? Yeah. All right.

1750
01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:43,480
What did you have?

1751
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:49,480
So from the Wheel of Time series, I had a replica of Randolph

1752
01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:53,480
Thor's hair and Mark Blade. Nerds.

1753
01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:56,480
Yeah, that's how nerdy that's dorky as shit.

1754
01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:59,480
Yeah, but also fucking fantastic fantasy series.

1755
01:27:59,480 --> 01:28:03,480
What? What? OK, if you could have owned a nerdy sword, what would you want?

1756
01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:07,480
Oh, man, I probably got into swords when I read like Red Wall.

1757
01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:10,480
So it would have been like a mouse sword.

1758
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:15,480
So like a drink like all of pick.

1759
01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:17,480
Pretty much. Yeah, cool. Yeah.

1760
01:28:17,480 --> 01:28:21,480
Boy, if I could have owned a better sword.

1761
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:25,480
And what I had, what would be the coolest sword?

1762
01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:30,480
I mean, given my love of the Highlander series, I would have wanted like the fucking.

1763
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:31,480
That's a good pick.

1764
01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:34,480
Oh, yeah, the Highlander sword, the blade sword.

1765
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:37,480
Oh, I would have loved the blade sword.

1766
01:28:37,480 --> 01:28:41,480
Also fulfilling Katana at the same time.

1767
01:28:41,480 --> 01:28:49,480
Oh, you know what? I would love to have a replica of Gary's sword from Army of One.

1768
01:28:49,480 --> 01:28:51,480
Perfect. Yeah.

1769
01:28:51,480 --> 01:29:13,480
I would put it right next to my replica of the beast.