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What you are listening to is real. The participants are not actors. They are real people with a case pending in Podcast Court.

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Hello, I'm Producer Peter and welcome to Cage Match, a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage, Podcast Court.

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This is a case of a long-haired ex-con and a known terrorist who loves peaches a bit too much.

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Oh, God.

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Oh, my God.

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Peter?

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What?

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Just naked.

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Always.

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Dangling.

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Listen, man, the Dangle Downs got a dangle.

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Slanging and dangling.

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Slanging and dangling. Oh, man.

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So it's just been a long time since we've actually sat at the table and done this.

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So you get to come for our first fuck off episode.

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It's been like a month since Nick and I have actually had to talk to each other.

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You still choose to.

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Optional.

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Otherwise.

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Like fools still choosing to talk to one another.

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And Peter's like old now.

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I know.

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He also fucking forty.

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Yeah.

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Me too.

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And vasectomized.

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Not me.

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I still got all my parts.

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Yeah.

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Nick just got his snipped recently.

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Yeah, it was real nice.

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Nice job.

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You got it.

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You got a souvenir knife out here as well.

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I got it right here in case I need to cut somebody from Dr. Snip.

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Can you hand me that box cutter over there, Peter?

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Yes.

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Just to be safe.

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Just to be safe.

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I'll just use this as your bit.

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I figure this is probably more than enough.

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We've definitely escalated here.

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Well, welcome back, Shay.

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Thanks for having me.

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Hi, I'm Sean.

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This is Cage, Matt, colon around about we've meeting Nicolas Cage.

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We're taking a different approach at this this time.

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How about you, Nick?

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Who are you?

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I'm Nick.

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Perfect.

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And Peter, who are you?

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I'm producer Peter.

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We're really crushing it.

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We got we got a fancy new intro that does most of the heavy lifting.

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That's true.

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I don't need to explain what we do here anymore.

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Actually, that intro doesn't explain at all what we do.

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So we took 64 Nicolas Cage films and we are final four bracketing those down to Nick.

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It's cage is cage is film.

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Wow.

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I am out of practice.

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And then we'll get there eventually.

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And this is the start of the slicks team.

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Taken two movies, the action genre and arguably the two big ones.

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I'd say they are some of the most well known events in that action.

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But we're only here to talk about one of them today.

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Right now.

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Right now.

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Until later.

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And we talk about the other part.

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I got a question.

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But she won't be here for that.

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So she this is your third guest.

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Welcome back.

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Only second official episode though.

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But I mean, G-Force really counts as like a double because it was so good.

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Actually, we did G-Force to test this very concept.

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Concept.

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It was ridiculous.

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I liked it a lot.

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The nodes, man.

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The nodes, nodes.

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It's got that boom boom pow.

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I do think about nodes a lot more now because of that movie.

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For deliciousness.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, I put that on yesterday in the background on the TV, just to annoy Nick.

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Hmm. I just didn't pay attention to it.

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It's that easy.

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Amazing. Amazing.

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So you're here to defend the honor of the lovely movie.

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Con Air. Con Air.

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Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

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Yeah. Give us an opening statement.

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Well, I saw Con Air in the theater, I'm pretty sure.

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So that's my relationship to it.

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The beginning, you know, it is a movie.

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It is an action movie about Nicholas Cage plays this guy, Cameron Poe.

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He does something to defend his lady and winds up in prison

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and through some happenstance ends up on this airplane that

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turns out to be full of crazy ass criminals, just the worst kinds.

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So naturally, he's there, too.

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There's a lot of action that happens and

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some weird shit.

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And then it ends pretty, pretty nicely.

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There's like a nice little bow on the on the end of it, you know,

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kind of typical action flick, but in the best way.

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No, that's OK. That sums it up great.

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Because after the initial 20 minutes, there is no plot to speak of.

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It's just action till the end.

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It's just them doing things to get to the thing we we've known

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that they've wanted to do since. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's all you need.

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20 minutes. Yeah.

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Don't try to put too much script or like

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concept into a movie about an airplane full of criminals.

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Criminals. Yeah. That's going to.

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They hide. Yeah.

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You don't want to. You can't go too far with it.

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People won't believe it.

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That's right. It would jump the shark too fast.

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action flick for sure.

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Yeah. That's why I filed it under documentaries.

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Dave Shabelle doll is a very accurate representation of him.

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Oh, it's just like the one I've got at home.

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While it's unfortunate, he's in that movie.

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It's really great that he dies.

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in and hilarious.

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So, yeah, enjoyable all around.

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So the scene where he doesn't die, but they find his body

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and they like drop it on the car.

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Just a complete tonal shift from like gritty action movie

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to like kind of screwball comedy for all of two minutes.

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Like this movie, I love so much.

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It's just totally it is all over the shop.

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romance comedy because they do kind of like I mean,

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they hijacked the plane.

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So it's but they all have different roles in it

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and they had the schematics to the plane beforehand.

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And it's planned out.

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Yeah, it feels very heisty.

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I don't know. Yeah, they had prison to prison communication somehow.

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So right. Yeah. Don't worry about that.

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Yeah, it's been a problem.

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We've never really addressed about this one, but it's not a problem.

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It's fine. MC Gainey.

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Swamp Thing. He's probably my favorite of the convicts.

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Well, have we talked about favorite convicts before?

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Who can? Yes, we have.

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It doesn't matter.

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Which one's your favorite convict?

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Now, aside from Garland Green.

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Well, OK, I guess I won't say that.

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No, you can totally say.

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I mean, Steve, Steve is just great in everything, in my opinion.

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So I really enjoy him.

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But yes, I agree. He's great in everything.

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Yeah. He's great.

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He's creepy as fuck.

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And I mean, but that's always what he is.

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So you kind of he's a human and he's really good at it.

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Yeah, I guess you're trying to think of the the murderers row of convicts.

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Yeah, I'm just going through the rolodex of convicts in my head.

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Well, you got pinball.

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You got I mean, Danny Tracey, Danny Trejo.

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He's kind of nobody should be.

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No, I'm not saying he's my.

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No, no, no, he's not.

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He's not my favorite convict.

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I just enjoy the fact that.

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Oh, yeah. That is such a weird choice.

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And we have like these just the first person initially like caricatured

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villains, we have Cyrus, the virus, we have pinball, we have like

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just these over the top, like comic book villains, Billy Bedlam.

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And then we have this guy who raped 23 to 500 women.

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Yeah, it's random.

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I just think it's random that he's there.

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And Danny Trejo is always just kind of a weird addition to things.

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One is, you know, but John Malkovich is kind of

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he's the the head of the Cyrus, the virus, Cyrus, the virus.

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I I like him, too.

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He's great actor. And so I really liked his character.

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He's just unhinged. Yeah, really.

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You know, he's always fun.

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Yes. My favorite was Moskowitz, one of the guys who got shot.

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Oh, who had no lines. Yeah.

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I really like Diamond Dog.

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Diamond. Having.

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Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah.

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And then the guy, I don't remember his name, but he was in Forrest Gump

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and he was the friend of Cameron Poe in this baby.

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Baby. Oh, thank you.

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OK, let's get to the Garland Green of it all.

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Defend Garland Green in his placement in this movie.

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I he doesn't really have any.

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I don't think he really has any like if you removed him from the movie,

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it wouldn't really change anything in that regard.

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Yeah, he's totally useless.

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Do I enjoy the fact that he's there anyway?

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100 percent.

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That's part of the appeal is just like what is like

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most of the time watching it just being like, oh, this is happening now.

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Oh, OK, what's he going to do?

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And then he's just there to provide some like creepo

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fucking commentary, weird statements and then go

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sit and have tea with a tiny child of an empty swimming pool that comes out.

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And like, no clue. But I'm here for.

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I always think like with Garland Green, I was thinking that one episode

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of The Simpsons where the mafia and the Yakuzas are fighting on the front lawn

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and Marge's like Homer comes in and says, you know, but that little guy

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in the back hasn't done anything yet.

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And you know, when he does, it's going to be great.

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And then there's not really that payoff other than he escapes at the end

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and we're supposed to feel good about that.

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Yeah. I mean, it could have been like a setup for Connor.

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Connor, too.

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I am annoyed we didn't get the buddy cop comedy of Q.

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Second, Meany after this.

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That's true. They're they're buddies.

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At least friendly. Yeah.

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Trauma will do that sometimes.

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I love cool.

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Meany, such a big meatball.

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I like him. Yeah.

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It's also just kind of a random person.

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I only think of it in Titanic.

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Other than that, that's the first movie I think.

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What was called Meany or who was called Meany in Titanic?

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I don't think there's a what?

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Oh, wait. No, never mind.

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That was Billy Zane.

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No, it's a different.

266
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It's a different person.

267
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Billy Zane in a no fucking terrible way.

268
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I would love to see a chubby balding Billy Zane.

269
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Well, I guess like you mean Billy Zane now.

270
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Just know, put some hair on him and then it's OK.

271
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Not a lot of hair, though.

272
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Oh, right.

273
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Had to go halfway between hair and bald.

274
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OK, so it kicks off with cage getting into a bar fight with some fucking yokels.

275
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Yeah. Well, they come at him.

276
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Oh, they sold it.

277
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They want the lady.

278
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It kicks off with how do I live?

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Suddenly, I'm out.

280
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You. Yes, I like.

281
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You get me.

282
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He gets out of the Army Rangers, gets off a boat

283
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to an bar right next to an oil refinery that produces fire.

284
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Alabama. Yeah.

285
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Yeah. Meets up with his pregnant wife.

286
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She's seven months pregnant, six months pregnant, three months.

287
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Tries to have a nice dance with her.

288
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Some yokels are like, I want to fuck your wife.

289
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Go buy me a fucking beer.

290
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I mean, it's a powerful tactic.

291
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Yeah. Blames him for why they lost Vietnam.

292
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Yeah, this is a strong stance for people to just have in the South.

293
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It's not what I would typically expect to find.

294
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And the fact that nobody else in the bar stands up to that guy

295
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or stands up for his behavior makes me think that this whole bar is just that way.

296
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Probably.

297
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But then as they're leaving 10, like 20 yards from the bar,

298
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these three rock up, smash a bottle over his head,

299
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start really laying in them like they're aiming to kill him.

300
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He defends himself, kills one of the guys, just reflex like nosebone into the brain.

301
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Well, yeah, he pulled a knife out.

302
00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:33,880
Yeah. Yeah. No.

303
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No cage had permission to kill. Yeah.

304
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But because he's, you know, a deadly weapon, seven years for self-defense.

305
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It's gonna be so stupid.

306
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It's involuntary manslaughter now.

307
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It's so dumb.

308
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OK, well, here's here's the thing I love.

309
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Is that happens seven years because he's held to a higher standard.

310
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End of the film destroys Las Vegas, kills a guy with like a big steam like weight.

311
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You know, just actual violence for the sake of violence.

312
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Bye. Out on the back.

313
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Have fun. Have a hero. Yeah. Thanks.

314
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Here's a medal of honor.

315
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Technically, they can't prove that he was responsible for most of that.

316
00:12:12,620 --> 00:12:15,680
Yeah. And it wraps again with Lee and rhymes.

317
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Just a nice little book and how do I live with that?

318
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That drops a few times in the movie.

319
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Yeah, absolutely. And it works perfectly.

320
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Yeah. Yeah.

321
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Mm hmm. Monica Potter.

322
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So cute. Great. Yeah.

323
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She's cute. I really like her.

324
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Her nose is like such a classic turned up.

325
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Yeah. Like the whole cast.

326
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The whole cast is pretty great.

327
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It is. It's a great cast.

328
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John Cusack. Cusack works great in this.

329
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I love his smarmy sandal wearing like, you know, it's

330
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it actually Mr. More like Mr. Thesaurus.

331
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Look, his big suit khaki khaki suit wearing mofo.

332
00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,660
Yeah. The fashion in this is not the best.

333
00:12:52,660 --> 00:12:55,400
Well, it was 97. Yeah.

334
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Although it was probably Nick Cage's best look.

335
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I mean, and the most giffable possibly the hair

336
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when he just walks off the bus and the hair, the wind in the hair.

337
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And he's got the smirk on his face.

338
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I mean, it's just everywhere. It's like the best thing.

339
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So we have the little like him having seven years in jail

340
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and he's like learning Spanish, learning origami.

341
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I wanted all these things to come up during the movie.

342
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You know, better MacGyver pay.

343
00:13:23,180 --> 00:13:26,220
If you had like origami to shuriken at one point.

344
00:13:26,220 --> 00:13:28,520
Yeah. Then like, fuck, yeah, that would be incredible.

345
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That's how we take down Diamond Dogg.

346
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I also he also does the cool thing where he's like sitting cross legged

347
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and just holding himself up on his fingers. Yeah.

348
00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:39,080
Well, none of that stuff comes into play.

349
00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,220
No, but it was cool to watch it happen.

350
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It was.

351
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I was trying to think of a time when he killed somebody just with his fingers.

352
00:13:47,340 --> 00:13:50,940
But I mean, he pushes Billy Bedlam into a thing into a pipe.

353
00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,340
Yeah, I think that was more like a kick, though.

354
00:13:53,820 --> 00:13:54,940
That's true. It was.

355
00:13:54,940 --> 00:13:56,140
Oh, yeah. A hip thrust.

356
00:13:56,140 --> 00:13:57,320
Him off the back. Right.

357
00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,980
Yeah. He just bridges.

358
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So that's exactly a bridge that he did.

359
00:14:01,540 --> 00:14:05,740
He bridged him up into the into the ceiling of the of the under

360
00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:06,840
under the plane.

361
00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,740
I do. So there's that scene.

362
00:14:08,740 --> 00:14:09,980
The undercarriage.

363
00:14:09,980 --> 00:14:14,480
The under plane. I do love that scene because they cut to Billy Bedlam

364
00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,020
and they're all like hunched over and he's just like, yeah.

365
00:14:17,020 --> 00:14:21,520
Yeah, I love how yellow they make his teeth just for that end scene.

366
00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:22,520
Oh, it's so nasty.

367
00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,980
Oh, we couldn't get the the mannequin to look like he had white teeth.

368
00:14:25,980 --> 00:14:27,880
So he's got to have yellow teeth now.

369
00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,820
Yeah, there's. Fuck this guy up.

370
00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:34,680
That scene really is what a great example of what I think is just missing

371
00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,140
from this movie is just the dialogue and the writing is truly terrible,

372
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especially for an action film.

373
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You kick a guy onto a steam pipe.

374
00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,000
What do you want, liner?

375
00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:44,700
Nobody one liner.

376
00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:47,900
She's like, why didn't you put the bunny back in the box?

377
00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,300
Was the line was the line read after that?

378
00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:55,480
Yeah. What do we think of Cage in general in this film?

379
00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,400
Like, Nick, you and I have watched a lot of Nicholas Cage.

380
00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:03,000
Where does this stack in terms of like character and performance?

381
00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,540
I love the character because the character is just

382
00:15:05,540 --> 00:15:10,980
a morally a good guy, but he's willing to get his hands dirty for this.

383
00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,740
He's he's trying to help everybody except for, you know, the bad guys.

384
00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,540
He does not help them at all.

385
00:15:18,540 --> 00:15:20,280
Just a good guy, but he's tough.

386
00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,080
Yeah. I guess my issue with this in terms of a cage film is like,

387
00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,980
I don't know how much it matters that it is Nicholas Cage

388
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with how little Cameron Poe really has to do in terms of speaking.

389
00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,080
Right. There's not a lot of dialogue for like or like a character

390
00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,120
beyond just being random action tough guy.

391
00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,740
Sometimes all you need is random action tough guy, though.

392
00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,880
And he he played it perfectly.

393
00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,840
I mean, you know, he didn't write the script.

394
00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,220
Yeah. And he delivered.

395
00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:47,220
He just delivered every line.

396
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He stayed true to the character.

397
00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,820
This movie might have my least favorite Nick Cage line read

398
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of everything we've watched so far, which is when Baby Oh gets shot

399
00:15:57,820 --> 00:16:00,580
and talking about like, I don't I don't believe in God.

400
00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,740
And Nick Cage just stand up and goes,

401
00:16:02,740 --> 00:16:06,640
I'm going to prove to you God exists and like goes to like

402
00:16:06,980 --> 00:16:09,080
fight the bad guys.

403
00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,780
Does he roundhouse kick someone at that point?

404
00:16:10,780 --> 00:16:11,420
I can't remember.

405
00:16:11,420 --> 00:16:12,780
Get shot in the arm.

406
00:16:12,780 --> 00:16:14,340
Oh, and he just keeps going. Yeah.

407
00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:16,320
Pretty sick. That was pretty cool.

408
00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:17,740
Action tough guy.

409
00:16:17,740 --> 00:16:18,740
Kind of hot.

410
00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:20,980
And he saves the day in the end.

411
00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:22,420
He does like four times.

412
00:16:22,420 --> 00:16:26,020
That's OK. My only view for this movie, again, is that it's just like

413
00:16:26,020 --> 00:16:29,740
you could cut one of these sections out almost across the board.

414
00:16:29,740 --> 00:16:32,780
Like it doesn't matter which one you pick and you would not miss it.

415
00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:37,540
Like you could take out crashing in Las Vegas and still end on the chase.

416
00:16:37,540 --> 00:16:38,780
You could take out the chase.

417
00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:39,820
And then crash.

418
00:16:39,820 --> 00:16:40,940
Vegas is the crash.

419
00:16:40,940 --> 00:16:41,580
The crash.

420
00:16:41,580 --> 00:16:42,440
We can take it.

421
00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:43,240
Crashing in Vegas.

422
00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:48,720
How very it was awesome that they show the plane going through the building

423
00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:54,980
and like somehow no one hears or sees what's going on until it's right there.

424
00:16:54,980 --> 00:16:56,480
Oh, shit. Crashing in.

425
00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:57,940
I know I love that.

426
00:16:57,940 --> 00:17:00,340
It's just like the special action sequence.

427
00:17:00,340 --> 00:17:03,920
Yeah. The original version, though, I really wish they could have done.

428
00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,920
They were going to crash it into the mirage.

429
00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,140
The mirage was having a problem with their identity

430
00:17:08,140 --> 00:17:11,840
and like didn't want to be attached to an R rated movie, which like of all the movies,

431
00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,540
this one would be fine.

432
00:17:13,540 --> 00:17:16,580
They were going to fight in the volcano that they had.

433
00:17:16,580 --> 00:17:20,980
It was going to erupt in the end in an underwater fight between Poe

434
00:17:20,980 --> 00:17:23,420
and Cyrus the virus. What?

435
00:17:23,420 --> 00:17:24,520
Incredible. Cool.

436
00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:25,640
Like that's tight as fuck.

437
00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:31,140
So long as he can still be like launched off of a how do you get into the smasher?

438
00:17:32,340 --> 00:17:33,340
Yeah.

439
00:17:33,340 --> 00:17:35,580
That is he gets ejected from the volcano.

440
00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,720
Yes. Whoa.

441
00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,980
I mean, there is some good like human projectile scenes

442
00:17:41,980 --> 00:17:46,480
like John Cusack gets shot by a jet motion.

443
00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,420
Cage jumps through a window and then is propelled by an explosion.

444
00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,380
Yeah. Cyrus the virus gets launched off of a fire truck.

445
00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:58,940
Right. I mean, he's hoisted up on the ladder.

446
00:17:58,940 --> 00:17:59,980
What? What do you think?

447
00:17:59,980 --> 00:18:01,540
Gains crashes in there.

448
00:18:01,540 --> 00:18:03,040
He's handcuffed to the ladder.

449
00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,740
What broke? Probably his thumb.

450
00:18:05,740 --> 00:18:08,380
Yeah. His hand probably ripped off something like this.

451
00:18:09,620 --> 00:18:11,680
Oh, well, Trejo's arm.

452
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,980
Please. Well, yeah, that definitely came off.

453
00:18:14,580 --> 00:18:15,580
I forgot about that.

454
00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:17,940
We're watching him like, oh, yeah, that's a good bit.

455
00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:20,940
Yeah. There's like good visual jokes.

456
00:18:20,940 --> 00:18:23,980
But like what a weird arm that it just completely tore off like an action.

457
00:18:23,980 --> 00:18:25,180
At the elbow. Yeah.

458
00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:26,620
Well, he looked like once with me.

459
00:18:26,620 --> 00:18:28,980
I mean, it kind of made sense to me.

460
00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:32,620
Oh, like another scene that I think you could cut like the trap in the airport.

461
00:18:32,620 --> 00:18:34,280
Like that. You don't need that.

462
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,340
I get why it's there. It's another big show piece.

463
00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:38,380
There's lots of gunfire, you know, all that.

464
00:18:38,380 --> 00:18:40,620
But it's like it doesn't need to be there.

465
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,020
They could have just escaped that base had both fuck up their plane

466
00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,020
and the traffic Carson City.

467
00:18:47,020 --> 00:18:47,920
Yeah. First stop.

468
00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,780
I don't know that you need the military moment.

469
00:18:51,020 --> 00:18:52,620
You know, there's just a lot of bits and pieces

470
00:18:52,620 --> 00:18:54,880
that could make this movie tighter in my mind.

471
00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,940
It is. Yeah.

472
00:18:56,940 --> 00:18:58,720
And popcorn's fun. Yeah. Tasty.

473
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,120
Yeah. You would still need the military involvement or whatever,

474
00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:05,720
but they could just come up as as the plane escapes.

475
00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:08,920
Yeah. Because you had the whole note being thrown out.

476
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,620
And then the moment of where's the chopper.

477
00:19:11,620 --> 00:19:13,020
And he's like, they're coming.

478
00:19:13,020 --> 00:19:15,020
There's so many things. There's a fucking chopper chase.

479
00:19:15,020 --> 00:19:17,580
It's like, it just keeps going.

480
00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:19,620
Well, it's the classic, you know.

481
00:19:19,620 --> 00:19:23,780
Well, someone listens to no one listens to the guy that ends up being right

482
00:19:23,780 --> 00:19:26,320
about everything. Sure. Every time he's not listened to.

483
00:19:27,420 --> 00:19:28,980
And they go and chase down that.

484
00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:30,680
To be fair, I don't. Poor tour.

485
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,040
I don't trust most people in suits and sandals.

486
00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:37,080
Well, especially khaki beige ones.

487
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,580
Yeah. And Birkenstocks.

488
00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:41,720
Yeah. So, OK, this shape for you,

489
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,880
this was your first time watching it as a grown person.

490
00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:52,440
No, I'm sure I've watched it in the past years.

491
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,140
So, you know, that's I'm sure I have.

492
00:19:55,140 --> 00:19:57,440
But it was the first time in a while

493
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,620
that I'd watched it when you asked me to do this this morning.

494
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:06,080
When I rewatched it, that was a just a rewatch to make sure everything was fresh.

495
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,480
Which clearly worked really well.

496
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,380
I didn't remember.

497
00:20:11,380 --> 00:20:13,240
This is a great.

498
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,140
I mean, I would have seen most of this movie out of order,

499
00:20:17,380 --> 00:20:19,540
like on TBS or TNT.

500
00:20:19,540 --> 00:20:20,740
This is a great.

501
00:20:20,740 --> 00:20:22,980
No matter where you turn it on, you're going to see some fun.

502
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,240
That's true. I mean, it is an enjoyable movie in that regard.

503
00:20:27,020 --> 00:20:32,380
Even the cliche, just hokey stuff in it

504
00:20:32,980 --> 00:20:36,340
just fit because it was the entire movie was that.

505
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,720
And this I know this one got like bad, bad ratings or whatever.

506
00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:43,840
People didn't really like it as much as some of his other ones anyway, that's for sure.

507
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,420
But I don't know.

508
00:20:46,420 --> 00:20:48,520
I think you just have to take it for what it is.

509
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,720
And like you said, not not put too much meaning to something.

510
00:20:52,740 --> 00:20:55,180
Yeah, it's just a cornball kind of action film.

511
00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,040
Yeah, I love that it kind of exists in the role of something like the

512
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,880
untouchables or whatever that saloon piece is,

513
00:21:04,340 --> 00:21:07,740
where it's like we're just going to cram a bunch of like the hottest action

514
00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:10,540
and like film guys in this together.

515
00:21:10,540 --> 00:21:11,320
Yeah, Expendables.

516
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,120
Yeah, that's right.

517
00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:14,640
And there's a bunch of celebrities we know you love.

518
00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:15,940
Yeah.

519
00:21:15,940 --> 00:21:18,080
I have an entire Expendables back tattoo.

520
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,080
It's good.

521
00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:24,080
It's all Dolph Lundgren, though.

522
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,520
30 Dolph Lundgren.

523
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,340
Oh, oh.

524
00:21:26,340 --> 00:21:30,780
And then the most random gay character as well in here,

525
00:21:30,780 --> 00:21:35,240
who is, again, very stereotypical, but it was kind of cute

526
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,840
to just see a person in drag in this film.

527
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,720
And he wasn't it wasn't kind of anything, you know, his again,

528
00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:44,840
that character probably didn't matter.

529
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,480
But the fact that it wasn't a bigger right.

530
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,980
It was it was a punch line.

531
00:21:49,980 --> 00:21:50,440
It wasn't a punch line.

532
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,320
I mean, it was just like, yeah, he's just this gay prisoner and likes to wear dresses.

533
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,580
I was like, that's pretty dope.

534
00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:58,920
And that is a reference to an actual person, though.

535
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,180
Oh, it is. OK.

536
00:22:01,180 --> 00:22:02,580
I don't have that information again.

537
00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:04,980
I can't remember the exact story, but Sally Can't Dance was the name.

538
00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:07,580
Yeah. Oh, OK. Well, yeah.

539
00:22:07,980 --> 00:22:11,020
Did you have a quote that you thought was interesting or remarkable

540
00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:12,520
or funny or stupid?

541
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,040
Yeah. Did you do our work for us?

542
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,540
I didn't write it down.

543
00:22:15,540 --> 00:22:17,820
So was it just dome it? Was it?

544
00:22:17,820 --> 00:22:19,040
Oh, yeah, that's right.

545
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,280
Yeah.

546
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,080
I fucking love that.

547
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,480
And maybe I'll see some interesting see trees and stuff.

548
00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:32,280
What is it?

549
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,940
There were so many talking to

550
00:22:34,940 --> 00:22:36,740
fucking Garland Green for the first time.

551
00:22:36,740 --> 00:22:37,740
What's wrong with him?

552
00:22:37,740 --> 00:22:40,980
I had to guess a lot of that.

553
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:42,120
Yes, that is the one.

554
00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,580
Thank you. Thank you. That's a good one.

555
00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:46,520
Right. When you said I was like, yes, it was that one.

556
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,640
Because, yeah.

557
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,480
I like when he comes up from killing Billy Bedlam and Garland Green.

558
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,840
You think two men go down and one comes up.

559
00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:56,240
I'm not talking to you.

560
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,980
I did notice because the way they figure out that he's a traitor is

561
00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:05,340
fucking what's Cyrus the virus.

562
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,880
Billy Bedlam, Diamond Diamond Dog goes down to like

563
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,180
it's like, I'm wondering about this guy.

564
00:23:11,180 --> 00:23:13,380
I'm going to go look at his personal effects, which is how

565
00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:17,640
Billy Bedlam found it out to him, like, so just reusing the same plot point.

566
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,740
I mean, that box is still there.

567
00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:22,620
Yeah. No, but I mean, we talked we've talked about this, I think,

568
00:23:22,620 --> 00:23:25,140
every time we watch this movie, like you could cut 20 minutes

569
00:23:25,140 --> 00:23:27,120
out of this movie easily and it would still have the same plot.

570
00:23:27,780 --> 00:23:29,820
Pretty much probably.

571
00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:31,680
But I didn't fall asleep during it.

572
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,180
No, it is.

573
00:23:32,180 --> 00:23:34,520
It was some other movies.

574
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:35,680
I don't know if I'm allowed to.

575
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,980
Are you going to talk to us?

576
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:37,620
You can talk some shit.

577
00:23:37,620 --> 00:23:40,380
Am I allowed to talk shade about the one that you can't it's up against?

578
00:23:40,380 --> 00:23:40,680
Yeah.

579
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,720
OK, well, I did fall asleep trying to watch face off.

580
00:23:45,020 --> 00:23:46,840
Not going to lie. I did.

581
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,120
For me, what it came down to is while I enjoy explosions

582
00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:58,240
and and action, I just it was so much of that over and over

583
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,140
and over and over again that my brain kind of took it as a white noise.

584
00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:08,380
And I guess as opposed to this movie, which is very controlled.

585
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,040
No, not controlled.

586
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,780
I would just say there's less.

587
00:24:11,780 --> 00:24:15,180
It's it's it's very there's like explosion.

588
00:24:15,180 --> 00:24:17,580
And then it cuts to a scene that's a little quieter

589
00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:20,980
or has like some random weird funny one liners.

590
00:24:21,020 --> 00:24:23,880
I don't know. I was under the same condition.

591
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,040
Face off doesn't have anything like that.

592
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,880
And counterpoint face off does have weird familial face touching.

593
00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:32,280
That was the other big win.

594
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,940
Yeah, that that one.

595
00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:36,220
It's just everyone's doing the weird.

596
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,580
Let me grace your face with my fingertips.

597
00:24:38,580 --> 00:24:41,340
And it's weird, culty.

598
00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:43,440
Like, did I watch children of the some?

599
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,340
Yeah, I don't know.

600
00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:47,720
It gives me bad vibes overall.

601
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:48,540
This is good.

602
00:24:48,540 --> 00:24:49,780
She threw on face off.

603
00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:54,180
And John Travolta is really just one of the worst humans.

604
00:24:54,180 --> 00:24:57,720
So I just don't want to I didn't want to see his face.

605
00:24:57,740 --> 00:24:58,920
It was all around.

606
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,380
But it was awful.

607
00:25:00,380 --> 00:25:04,220
Yeah. And then Nick Cage had to wear it, unfortunately, for Nick Cage.

608
00:25:04,220 --> 00:25:07,020
So I know it's weird that they actually did that for that movie.

609
00:25:07,020 --> 00:25:09,140
I know dedicated artists, you know.

610
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,780
But I'm not I'm not judging on plot believability or anything like that.

611
00:25:14,780 --> 00:25:15,620
No, no, no, no.

612
00:25:15,620 --> 00:25:17,580
We're in the same vein here for sure.

613
00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:19,440
It's clear why they're up against one another.

614
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,080
You watch these movies.

615
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,640
So you watch Con Air as of this morning and also not that long ago.

616
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,980
How do you consider it in terms of rewatchability?

617
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,780
I'd probably rewatch it again.

618
00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:34,220
It's not like a once a month thing,

619
00:25:34,220 --> 00:25:37,920
but I would absolutely find myself watching this again for sure.

620
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,280
Yeah. You can watch it organically just like one day

621
00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:44,180
or just watch it in bits and pieces as it was meant to be.

622
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,240
Have it on in the background while I'm doing something else,

623
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,840
which I like to do with a lot of movies.

624
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,080
And then you catch just like one of the stupid lines.

625
00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:57,540
But yeah, I overall, you know, I just liked it.

626
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:01,320
And maybe I don't know, face off for me.

627
00:26:02,180 --> 00:26:03,820
I didn't see that one in the theater.

628
00:26:03,820 --> 00:26:08,480
So maybe I don't have this like grounded, rooted connection to it

629
00:26:08,620 --> 00:26:09,920
like I do with Conair.

630
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,040
But again, it also just didn't grab me in the same way.

631
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,580
The plot just wasn't for me as fun.

632
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,540
Connor, I guess I like more.

633
00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:27,020
It wasn't. I like the more comedic aspect, I think, of Conair,

634
00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:30,940
where I think sure you can point out aspects of face off that are funny.

635
00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:33,120
But I feel like they're intended to be.

636
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:36,080
And I think Conair had more of that kind of slapstick like, OK,

637
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,920
we know what we're doing right here.

638
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,080
We know we're showing you this Dave Chappelle dummy.

639
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,120
And we know what you're thinking.

640
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:44,920
And we like that.

641
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,080
You know, like, like, that's fine.

642
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,380
We're into it. We're going to dump him out of a plane.

643
00:26:49,380 --> 00:26:49,920
I don't know.

644
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,920
It's I mean, that's a fair point.

645
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,940
And that's kind of what we're doing with this entire exercise.

646
00:26:53,940 --> 00:26:55,820
We really want to get a take.

647
00:26:55,820 --> 00:26:57,880
Like, why is this movie worth watching?

648
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,280
And I think that's a really good excuse for it.

649
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,880
You know, it's it's stupid. It's fun.

650
00:27:03,220 --> 00:27:05,920
You can turn your brain off and laugh and have a good time.

651
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:11,320
And then a bunch of propane tanks blow up, you know, whatever.

652
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,940
Sure. Who doesn't need to just check out right now anyway, you know, a little bit.

653
00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:19,180
Just every once in a while, just check the.

654
00:27:21,220 --> 00:27:23,480
Yes, it's nice sometimes.

655
00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:26,020
Favorite scenes.

656
00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:31,480
Hmm. I like when he's under the truck with the with the old guy at the airport.

657
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,620
He's trying to get like a syringe for baby.

658
00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:36,280
How is like, please don't kill me is like, stay down here.

659
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,320
You'll be fine.

660
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,580
I just need a syringe.

661
00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:40,480
Oh, boy, don't do drugs. They'll kill you.

662
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,820
Amazing.

663
00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:49,840
Mine might be the whole like final fight sequence of many deaths of Cyrus, the virus.

664
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,880
I love that it just keeps going.

665
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,120
I love that he just steals a cop motorcycle and rides after,

666
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:01,520
stabs him through the foot, launches him through a window,

667
00:28:02,340 --> 00:28:04,440
electrocutes him and then. Yes.

668
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,140
And then the smash is his head.

669
00:28:06,140 --> 00:28:07,880
He finally gets terminated.

670
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,480
When the propeller goes like through the airplane for sure.

671
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,880
Queen them. Yeah, I was nuts.

672
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,920
Oh, also, when the when the guard opens up the thing that says, do not open.

673
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,120
And it's a bomb.

674
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,140
That explosion is great.

675
00:28:21,140 --> 00:28:24,080
And that's like his body gets like ragdolled across the road.

676
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,980
Totally flung.

677
00:28:25,980 --> 00:28:31,940
And John Cusack out in the hall with the door that comes over his head.

678
00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:35,920
You know, whatever some lands in the wall right next to him.

679
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,080
Well, that could have been me.

680
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,980
I want to know what John Cusack turns around in that scene

681
00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:41,540
because he's running away to go get something or get somebody.

682
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:44,980
Then he's like the guy like opens the thing, but he's junkies.

683
00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:47,380
I send the whole and John Cusack has this sudden like I have to turn around

684
00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:49,720
and do something right as the explosion happens.

685
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,880
Well, because he saw that box that said, do not open.

686
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,180
And he's like, I bet.

687
00:28:53,180 --> 00:28:54,340
And those. Yeah.

688
00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:57,140
They just fucking idiots are going to open that shit.

689
00:28:58,540 --> 00:29:02,020
He's like, get out of there.

690
00:29:02,020 --> 00:29:03,240
I like the scene. OK.

691
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,880
I like any kind of escape scene, to be honest with you,

692
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,480
even if it's the bad guys that you're not really rooting for.

693
00:29:08,740 --> 00:29:14,020
But the fact that they hid little tiny pins,

694
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,280
little needles in their hand, like under fake skin

695
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,680
or whatever is so hilariously amazing.

696
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,880
And they just boop, bop, boop, pick the lock.

697
00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:29,880
Yeah, that's it. It was that easy.

698
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,580
I like that. Mm hmm.

699
00:29:31,580 --> 00:29:34,040
I didn't know how, you know, at first, I couldn't remember

700
00:29:34,380 --> 00:29:36,680
how they escape when I rewatched it the first time.

701
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,120
And then I saw that I was like, those tricky bastard.

702
00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:42,820
Oh, yeah. Dave Chappelle sets a dude on fire and

703
00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:46,520
he barfs up. Yeah.

704
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,920
I don't have a particular favorite scene, but there's one that

705
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,420
a specific image from this that I always remember.

706
00:29:53,420 --> 00:29:55,420
It's as the breakout is starting to happen,

707
00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:57,900
but Cyrus hasn't gotten released from the cell yet.

708
00:29:57,900 --> 00:30:01,560
And he's just like standing at the gate like, hey, yeah.

709
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,960
Shaking his manacles around.

710
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,700
I like that. It sounds like a faux baby whine like

711
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,560
open the. So annoying.

712
00:30:13,860 --> 00:30:15,600
Yeah, that's that's probably my favorite part.

713
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,900
Yeah, love it.

714
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:21,620
OK, so if you had to sum up for us a case saying

715
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:25,700
why this one should move forward, what would you say?

716
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,300
I mean, I think I did, but just say it better.

717
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:30,660
I was spliced in here.

718
00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:32,700
If you could just rearrange some of those words.

719
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:34,160
Small, memorable bites.

720
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,960
Remember, we're like goldfish here. Yeah.

721
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,600
Action packed, quirky, thrill ride,

722
00:30:41,420 --> 00:30:44,160
stupid in the best way.

723
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,360
Satisfying resolve.

724
00:30:47,620 --> 00:30:50,000
And worth the rewatch.

725
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,260
Cage, look and fly, look pretty hot.

726
00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:55,520
Nice hair. Good muscles.

727
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,360
Obligatory. I'm going to take my shirt off scene.

728
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,720
Just have the right. Right.

729
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,020
Have the tank tattoos and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

730
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,560
Hero. You know, he's got the hero side of the story here.

731
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,760
And there's no creepy face touching.

732
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,960
So that's what.

733
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,980
All right. Strong argument. Thank you.

734
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,320
Well, thank you, Shay. Thank you.

735
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,260
I always enjoy being here.

736
00:31:20,260 --> 00:31:21,620
It's always a good time.

737
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:23,320
It's been too long. We have.

738
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,280
But yeah, welcome back.

739
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,120
At least there's no gerbils in this one.

740
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,960
Yeah, thank fucking God.

741
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,460
No animals of any kind.

742
00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:34,280
Yeah, just a bunny.

743
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,860
Just those animals in the air.

744
00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:36,620
But it doesn't.

745
00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:39,620
Animal and those animals in the air.

746
00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:40,960
I mean, honest.

747
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,860
OK, favorite line is honestly when he turns around

748
00:31:44,660 --> 00:31:47,560
and when he just John Malkovich,

749
00:31:48,260 --> 00:31:50,800
he takes over the plane, he tells the pilot, he's like,

750
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,420
you're still going to Carson City and he comes out.

751
00:31:53,420 --> 00:31:55,700
He's like, welcome to Con Air.

752
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:59,460
I love slash hate when they say the names of the film.

753
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,900
Both of these movies have that. Oh, yeah.

754
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:05,720
Right. So and he it was, you know, he was a good line for him.

755
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,200
I thought it was it worked well.

756
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,960
In the moment. Yeah, definitely. OK.

757
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,760
Should I? Should I? Yeah. Give a bang.

758
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,220
Whoa. Yeah.

759
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:16,660
We'll just keep that one.

760
00:32:16,660 --> 00:32:18,800
Well, yeah.

761
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,660
And you have anger.

762
00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:21,460
Yeah.

763
00:32:24,820 --> 00:32:26,120
Amazing.

764
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,420
And we're back.

765
00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:33,520
Also here with our old friends.

766
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:35,560
Yeah, we're back again. That's scary.

767
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,060
And rocks.

768
00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:39,360
Our guests were better at our jobs than us. Yes.

769
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:42,260
It's nice to see you guys again. Yeah. Welcome back.

770
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,360
It's good to be here.

771
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,320
You're three timers as well. Right.

772
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,320
This is your third record. Yeah. Fourth.

773
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,560
Fourth technically. Technically the last episode.

774
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,360
Yeah. Welcome back.

775
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,000
So, yeah, we had two three timers.

776
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,020
I didn't even realize that we did that. Yeah.

777
00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:58,420
I mean, you slacks.

778
00:32:58,420 --> 00:33:01,520
I get around technicality on the last one.

779
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,400
Well, because G-Force. Yeah. You got to count G-Force.

780
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,460
Never forget G-Force. I mean, he was on the podcast.

781
00:33:07,460 --> 00:33:09,120
So that's fair. Yeah.

782
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,220
Are you all noticing what you're doing to Roxanne each time?

783
00:33:12,220 --> 00:33:15,760
She's getting filthier on the mic and she just led with you sluts.

784
00:33:15,860 --> 00:33:17,060
Oh, yeah. That's good.

785
00:33:17,060 --> 00:33:17,960
Yeah, that's fine.

786
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,720
I mean, it just felt so at home for us.

787
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,820
So I mean, that's just speaking truth to power.

788
00:33:22,820 --> 00:33:23,820
I am.

789
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,620
Yeah, there's a lot to talk about with face.

790
00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:29,620
So face off.

791
00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:35,200
Yeah. Do you guys want to give us a brief rundown of this film? By way of

792
00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:38,720
getting into this, I want to talk about 1997.

793
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,860
What was actually happening in 97?

794
00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:45,720
The zeitgeist must have been thick.

795
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,720
You had this film and Titanic and L.A.

796
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,460
confidential and then on television, you had the debut of Rugrats

797
00:33:54,460 --> 00:33:56,300
and Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

798
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:58,460
I think Biggie got shot in 97.

799
00:33:58,460 --> 00:34:03,740
Just so many really interesting, groundbreaking, pivotal things happened in 97.

800
00:34:03,740 --> 00:34:05,960
And I thought including the making of Conair.

801
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,860
Right. That doesn't make it.

802
00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:09,760
Conair came out in 97.

803
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,460
That was the shade. Yeah.

804
00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:13,000
I mean, yeah, but not just making it.

805
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,560
Both these movies came out the same year.

806
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,200
Absolutely. And that mission was intentional.

807
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,860
But anyhow, to contrast this film with L.A.

808
00:34:22,860 --> 00:34:25,860
confidential, which really got so much critical acclaim,

809
00:34:25,860 --> 00:34:29,620
I did a quick little search to see which movie won more awards.

810
00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:31,460
And as you all probably remember, L.A.

811
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:34,580
confidential, like Cleaned House, like 28 awards, 30 awards, something like that.

812
00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:36,020
Definitely remember this.

813
00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:39,220
I was 13 watching the Oscars with bated breath.

814
00:34:39,460 --> 00:34:41,680
Right. And it was like all the highbrow awards.

815
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,420
But based off, if you recall, won a blockbuster movie award and

816
00:34:46,820 --> 00:34:48,680
MTV movie award, maybe.

817
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,380
Yeah. So the people's awards.

818
00:34:50,380 --> 00:34:52,760
Yeah. The people's awards. Right. Absolutely.

819
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,660
They got a Nickelodeon Kids Choice Award.

820
00:34:54,660 --> 00:34:57,480
100 percent.

821
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,260
And so my basic synopsis and I'll throw it over to Rox

822
00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:05,280
to like add some more context is I think that this movie

823
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,160
settled into the niche at the time of telling the old

824
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,780
like mythic like Greek and Roman stories.

825
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:20,120
And so much of this plot hinged on calling back some really,

826
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,080
really old storytelling tropes.

827
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,320
And obviously, they weren't trying to hide it by naming the main characters

828
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,160
Castor and Pollock's Troy.

829
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,980
And there's an Adam and Eve in the film.

830
00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:31,260
And there's just so many things that they were.

831
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:34,220
I think John Woo and all the people he worked with were really trying to go

832
00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:36,580
like super old school myth with this film.

833
00:35:36,860 --> 00:35:40,220
And for me, I thought there was, yeah, so much like the boat

834
00:35:40,220 --> 00:35:42,160
chase from Oedipus.

835
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:45,220
I knew you were going to point that out.

836
00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:49,120
I said to Roxanne coming in, I was like, Nick loves Oedipus so much

837
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,080
and like maybe a little too much.

838
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,280
And I'm very comfortable with my Oedipal things.

839
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,840
My Oedipus complex.

840
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,120
Yeah. And he.

841
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,980
Mick really loves when the bowels of two ships crash into each other.

842
00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:03,180
It was called Jack.

843
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:07,240
So take it away, Rox.

844
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,340
What I will say about the plot of this movie is that it made a lot

845
00:36:10,740 --> 00:36:14,720
more sense to me after I thought about it while on ketamine.

846
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,180
OK, this is exactly.

847
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,280
Yeah.

848
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,580
We're glad you guys are back.

849
00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:26,840
I mean, I just thought about face transplants and it just made total sense.

850
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,680
I don't know if I can explain it.

851
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,620
But I will. OK, let me put it this way.

852
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:35,140
If you're not on drugs, this movie is insane

853
00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:40,340
and just feels like a little bit of everything

854
00:36:40,340 --> 00:36:43,520
and everything in the kitchen sink kind of movie.

855
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,880
And for me, I'm going to already just start pulling for this film.

856
00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:51,520
I think it gets better with every watch.

857
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,060
Like the first time around watching this, it felt completely frantic and wild.

858
00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:58,160
Second time around, it still felt that way.

859
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,320
But it all started to come together.

860
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,360
Yeah, I think that's the beauty of the movie.

861
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,060
It's about these two guys.

862
00:37:04,060 --> 00:37:05,160
Good guy, bad guy.

863
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,060
They swap faces as you and bodies

864
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,680
somehow. And yeah.

865
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,220
So they're pretending to be each other.

866
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,860
And chaos ensues. Good versus evil.

867
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,420
And as they swap faces and bodies, they also swap families

868
00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:26,020
and they they swap each other's delinquent fatherhoods

869
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,560
and they swap each other's sexual relations.

870
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:33,760
And it goes like Oedipus, you know, and it gets to these real

871
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,420
like messy entanglements that I think are so characteristic of this.

872
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,160
Well, since we've jumped right into it, where do you guys fall on the archer's

873
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,980
wife is just completely checked out side of the coin versus

874
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,880
they had their penises swapped?

875
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,560
I know where I sit.

876
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,660
I still think they just sort of make it into like

877
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,320
the Reeboks like heirs, like where you just squeeze the nutsack

878
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,420
and inflates the penis to plus or minus what you need for comfort.

879
00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:05,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

880
00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:10,820
And you know, that's a good callback because weren't the Reebok pumps

881
00:38:10,820 --> 00:38:13,720
probably 97. They probably were very popular around that time.

882
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:14,560
Tech was available.

883
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,780
Branding. They're still popular to me now.

884
00:38:16,780 --> 00:38:19,020
So when did Men in Tights come out?

885
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:21,620
Mm hmm. Like 95 because they were in that.

886
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,280
Oh, yeah, that's true.

887
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,680
Also featuring Dave Chappelle.

888
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,120
It's true. Yeah, we're back to Chappelle.

889
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,560
Yeah. Yeah. Well, pick that apart.

890
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,620
Would you guys like 93? OK, there you go.

891
00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:32,980
Is it malarkey or is it a thing that there are these constellations

892
00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:37,160
and moments in like pop culture and Hollywood particularly

893
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,020
as one vessel for pop culture to get out to the people

894
00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:44,460
where they're just like, is all this content that really lasts

895
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:46,860
and permeates for a long time and then more fallow periods?

896
00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:49,920
Am I just making that shit up because I've read too much astrology?

897
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,760
Or is that a thing that happens?

898
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,020
I mean, it is kind of remarkable that there are so many

899
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,920
notable things that happened in that particular year.

900
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,220
But I wonder, too, we're all of a rough age.

901
00:39:00,620 --> 00:39:05,380
And I think that there's stuff that crystallized for our generation

902
00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:07,180
that happens to stand out more.

903
00:39:07,180 --> 00:39:11,460
Like, would my 11 year old son look at any of these movies and be like, hmm,

904
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,660
that speaks to me.

905
00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:15,920
Probably not. I think there's also something to be said about pre

906
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,180
Internet era where content was actually like produced and made

907
00:39:20,180 --> 00:39:24,120
in a very different way than it is now, because your son

908
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,920
and daughters are going to grow up with like very bite

909
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,660
sized bits of media made by idiots on the Internet. Right.

910
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,420
And they're going to have a two and a half hour movie or two hours and 20 minutes

911
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:36,960
view of what entertainment is and what like

912
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:39,860
they're going to remember fondly and be nostalgic for.

913
00:39:40,060 --> 00:39:42,320
Plus, they're very used to penis swap technology.

914
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,580
Oh, at this point. Yeah.

915
00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:48,620
On that note, and I will just say as a caveat, mom and dad, if you're listening,

916
00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:51,520
I made the mistake of telling my parents about this podcast, guys.

917
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,860
So mom and dad, if you're listening, don't listen to this next part.

918
00:39:57,620 --> 00:39:59,120
I don't want to hear my parents talk.

919
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,680
And they have my parents hear me talking about the spirit of face off.

920
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,480
Would you use reverse psychology, please?

921
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,220
Please listen to this next part.

922
00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:09,680
I'm sure you're going to really want to listen.

923
00:40:09,820 --> 00:40:12,860
We've already talked about the ketamine, but mom and dad, hang up

924
00:40:12,860 --> 00:40:14,980
before I start talking about dick.

925
00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:16,220
They know about the drugs.

926
00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:19,080
But sex is another story.

927
00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:24,520
Anyway, I just OK, I'm theorizing about you here.

928
00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:28,320
You know, you could take it in the direction of it being a subtle

929
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,680
feminist message, because if you're that concerned about your

930
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,120
your penis being one of a kind, then, you know, maybe you should

931
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:41,460
not be so concerned about it, because at the end of the day,

932
00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:43,480
they're they're more or less all interchangeable.

933
00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:49,880
But what if and OK, what if Archer did not know was not fully aware

934
00:40:50,260 --> 00:40:53,160
of Castor Troy's bifurcated penis

935
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,580
going into this and it blows his cover?

936
00:40:56,580 --> 00:40:58,800
You can't un-fork a wiener

937
00:40:59,940 --> 00:41:02,180
except maybe with magnets.

938
00:41:02,180 --> 00:41:05,340
Oh, yeah. Good idea. Yeah.

939
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:08,400
Yeah, that's probably what happened.

940
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,000
OK, I take it back. Yeah.

941
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,980
I will say so we know Castor

942
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:17,980
Troy can eat a peach for hours and there's some that's definitely something.

943
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,340
I guess you know, you end up in that bedroom too.

944
00:41:21,380 --> 00:41:24,100
So I'm just like Archer gets back in his own body.

945
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,820
Wife suddenly now has a proclivity for having her ass eaten out.

946
00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:29,160
How does that work for their marriage?

947
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,100
Well, he'd have to do it after bringing home like a strange boy

948
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:34,720
that's going to grow up to look like the murderer of their child.

949
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:37,700
That's still the weirdest part of this movie for me.

950
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:39,320
Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with you.

951
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,720
I also think the face touching thing is really that's really the worst.

952
00:41:42,860 --> 00:41:45,220
Actually, it's technically called a face waterfall.

953
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,620
We learned. Do tell that.

954
00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:50,300
I also hate that right out of the mouth of John Woo.

955
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,100
They called it a face waterfall.

956
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:55,960
And audiences loved it.

957
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,160
How does that test well?

958
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,600
I mean, we're audiences and we did not love it.

959
00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:02,760
Have you ever tried it?

960
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,320
Yeah. Come here.

961
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,300
Everybody face waterfall.

962
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:07,760
The person you're right.

963
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,300
I didn't like it.

964
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:12,300
And I didn't like it.

965
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:15,120
I know to take a look at any of you anymore.

966
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,860
To take that point about Archer having sex as Troy

967
00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:23,360
and Troy having sex as Archer.

968
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,900
One of the things Rox and I were talking about before coming in here was

969
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,660
it was clear that Castor Troy was making Sean Archer's life better.

970
00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:35,560
It seemed to me in the film that his wife and his kid loved

971
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,620
having Castor Troy around way more than Sean Archer and his coworkers.

972
00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:40,760
Co-workers liked it. He was a better co-worker.

973
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,800
So Castor Troy elevates Sean Archer's experience.

974
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,260
Similarly, Rox and I contend that John Travolta

975
00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:53,000
acting like Castor Troy, but acting like Nicolas Cage

976
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,560
would act like Castor Troy is the best acting of his career.

977
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,860
When John Travolta acts like Nicolas Cage, it's the best shit he's ever come up with.

978
00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:02,360
I think both of these performances are really good.

979
00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:07,260
Watching like when Nick Cage, when Sean Archer first gets

980
00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:12,240
Castor Troy's face, we first see Nick Cage as Sean Archer.

981
00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:13,760
That made sense.

982
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,100
And he kind of like goes through the emotions of like

983
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:21,260
kind of coming out of the drugs, like seeing his face, like kind of like starts

984
00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:25,260
just cackling because his brain snaps a little and he starts to cry.

985
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:30,200
And just that's a great scene and a powerful scene for what is not really

986
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,060
that emotional a film.

987
00:43:32,060 --> 00:43:38,260
And then he still has the voice, the Travolta voice, and it's just silly sounding.

988
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:41,260
But like the physical acting, I loved in that scene.

989
00:43:41,260 --> 00:43:45,860
Yeah, absolutely. And I love the way that Travolta, whenever he wanted to accentuate

990
00:43:45,860 --> 00:43:50,560
an evil line, would tilt his head a little bit, like in such a cage way, you know,

991
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,960
like he took on all of these cages, particularly the lines, the next hundred years.

992
00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:59,100
Yeah. And then also, let's see what's in Papa's bag.

993
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:01,900
Peaches. And then he licks his daughter's face.

994
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:06,160
But again, with the bravado that Nicolas Cage would deliver that line.

995
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,300
Yeah. This movie is fucking wild.

996
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:13,160
I fucking love this film so much.

997
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,200
This one has grown on me so much since we started this.

998
00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:19,860
Making Travolta make fun of his own chin is terrific.

999
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:22,460
I like it. There's a lot to be said about this.

1000
00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:24,260
And we haven't even gotten to the boat chase.

1001
00:44:25,260 --> 00:44:27,400
Oh, we did. All right. Before we get to the boat chase.

1002
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,360
I haven't gotten back to the boat. Awesome.

1003
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,060
I will say the one one place where this movie really falls down for me

1004
00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:35,900
is still the prison sequence, just because it just OK.

1005
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:37,660
Face swapping technology. Fine.

1006
00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:42,060
That's what we're here for. We know that going in, we can all agree it's dumb,

1007
00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:44,020
but that's the crux of this film.

1008
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:47,820
We get to our one prison and it's like magnetic boots

1009
00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:50,820
and all this like crazy other sci fi shit. That's like.

1010
00:44:52,260 --> 00:44:54,220
That you went one step too far.

1011
00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:57,060
Just have like a black gate prison, like off the coast. Fine.

1012
00:44:57,060 --> 00:44:59,520
But like you have to have all this extra just.

1013
00:45:00,220 --> 00:45:04,920
Stuff that doesn't do anything to the movie and just makes it silly.

1014
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,960
Yeah, in a way, I completely agree with you.

1015
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,520
And I think that the fact that this film was made in 97

1016
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,320
and it was about a war on terror, it was a little ahead of its time.

1017
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,520
And it made some of these like good versus evil, law and order

1018
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,460
versus terrorist dynamics look a little weird, because I think that like

1019
00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:26,460
we all learned what a black ops prison in Guantanamo Bay

1020
00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:28,620
would look like several years later.

1021
00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:30,860
And, you know, they were already out there.

1022
00:45:30,860 --> 00:45:35,220
But in terms of like the pop culture awareness of what was going on in these spaces,

1023
00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:39,220
there was probably no visual for it because it hadn't been shown on cable TV

1024
00:45:39,220 --> 00:45:43,720
or in newspapers. And so, yeah, they come up with this weird like sci fi.

1025
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:45,320
It's a little overdone.

1026
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,260
And yeah, in general, I thought that that was such an interesting piece

1027
00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:53,960
of the of the story was the fact that this was made before this massive shift

1028
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,460
in the way that policing was done in terms of terrorism.

1029
00:45:56,460 --> 00:45:59,220
And it was a war on terror film before the war on terror.

1030
00:45:59,220 --> 00:46:03,660
Well, the visuals of it like really feel like a bygone era of like 80s sci fi,

1031
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:05,360
like that kind of thing.

1032
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,720
Just to comment on the prison stuff, too.

1033
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,560
The original screenplay, it was written as a prison movie.

1034
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,460
Like the whole thing was sci fi prison.

1035
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:17,320
And John Woo was the one who when he signed on to direct it,

1036
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,060
he really saw it as a character driven film.

1037
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:22,420
And so that was the spin that he put on it.

1038
00:46:22,420 --> 00:46:24,960
They kind of rewrote the script based around that.

1039
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,220
That's my understanding. Correct call.

1040
00:46:27,460 --> 00:46:32,620
So, yeah, weirdly, the thing that the film like originated as, I agree,

1041
00:46:32,620 --> 00:46:36,260
it sort of like stands out in this weird way from the rest of the movie.

1042
00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:39,360
And it's sort of not the most interesting part of the film.

1043
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,760
However, there is one nugget for me personally.

1044
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:47,160
I really loved when Nicholas Cage, Sean Archer

1045
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:52,160
needs to get himself in the chair for the lobotomy or the electroshock therapy

1046
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,360
so he can get his boots off.

1047
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,560
So he punches the guard to get the cigarette or he asked for the cigarette.

1048
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,920
He punches the guard and then eventually gets lifted up and he's shouting,

1049
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,220
Does anyone have a light? You got a light?

1050
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:05,020
That was just so well delivered.

1051
00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:11,160
I do love when he first gets to the prison and you get the one guy like

1052
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,320
picks a fight with him and he's trying to talk to Pollock's

1053
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,060
and talking about how his brains messed up and trying to convince Pollock's

1054
00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:20,420
that he's cast or truly it's like, I don't even remember why that guy.

1055
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,120
You know, big guy came at me.

1056
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,660
I just love the line from Pollock's like,

1057
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:27,320
you made a sex sandwich with his ex-wife and with his wife and sister

1058
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:30,260
the night he was arrested. Like, oh, yeah, do Bob.

1059
00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:32,660
That was the machine. Yeah. Oh, oh, shit.

1060
00:47:32,660 --> 00:47:33,960
I didn't even notice that.

1061
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:34,920
But I'm trying to.

1062
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,460
Now, I'm not going to go into descriptions there.

1063
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,060
Yeah. Are we going to talk about do Bob's penis?

1064
00:47:41,060 --> 00:47:43,720
Is that one? No, just like sex sandwich.

1065
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,320
Rocks explained it. They're all the same.

1066
00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:48,960
Thank you, Peter.

1067
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,860
Unless they're bifurcated, unless they're bifurcated,

1068
00:47:50,860 --> 00:47:52,560
unless you have magnets, magnets. Right.

1069
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,200
Precisely.

1070
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,720
This is going to be one of those ones I listen to in like three months.

1071
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:00,560
I'm like, what are we talking about?

1072
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,420
How did we get here?

1073
00:48:02,420 --> 00:48:04,920
Shout out also to the prison break scene.

1074
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,860
That was great when he was like on the roof, like getting out of prison.

1075
00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:11,520
That part was pretty great. I thought. So. OK.

1076
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,660
I was watching this with my brother and they got to that part

1077
00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:18,300
and he jumps off and ends up in the water and there are like helicopters

1078
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:21,100
circling around and they're just like, he's probably dead.

1079
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,860
Yeah, sure. Let's not worry about it.

1080
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,760
People can't swim, right? No, no, no.

1081
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,660
You know, there's a few moments in this movie where somebody

1082
00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:34,920
is just sort of assumed to be dead and we don't actually know why that is,

1083
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,800
including the final scene.

1084
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,800
I don't know if you guys knew this, but they're making a sequel.

1085
00:48:40,260 --> 00:48:41,720
Face Offer.

1086
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:44,800
Faces off.

1087
00:48:46,660 --> 00:48:49,420
What would it even be?

1088
00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:52,060
What what would make the faces come off again?

1089
00:48:52,060 --> 00:48:54,220
And that's what gets you through the door.

1090
00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:56,460
Yeah, I'm going to come. I'm going to watch that movie.

1091
00:48:56,460 --> 00:49:01,500
And, you know, I think the what your point about the huge plowhole

1092
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:05,700
that he survives that leap into the frozen waters in the middle of nowhere off.

1093
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:08,660
What you can see L.A. in the background, it's not it was like a few miles off.

1094
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,560
OK, OK. I didn't realize I was all of those L.A. offshore oil rigs.

1095
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,260
Yeah, yeah.

1096
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:15,260
It was pretending to be.

1097
00:49:15,260 --> 00:49:18,800
Yeah, those like you can definitely see the shore and one shot.

1098
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,800
Yeah, he's not terribly far.

1099
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:21,860
That's what really pissed me off.

1100
00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:25,200
It's like you could probably just pick that guy up like there.

1101
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,700
Yeah. But regardless, there's a plowhole there about how.

1102
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,360
Yeah, he evades all these helicopters in the in the middle of the water.

1103
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,920
So they do give up a naturally quick.

1104
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,260
Yeah. For a supermax prison.

1105
00:49:37,260 --> 00:49:38,460
Totally, totally.

1106
00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:43,420
And I think that part of the like plowhole, part of the construction of that

1107
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:50,900
was this dipping a little more into the realm of like doing a science fiction film

1108
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:53,820
and asking the audience to continually suspend belief

1109
00:49:53,820 --> 00:49:58,980
and getting a little farther away from doing like a myth tell in the myth

1110
00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:00,720
or like in the fairy tale.

1111
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:04,320
You never have to ask the audience to suspend their disbelief

1112
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,060
because it's just assumed from the get go, like we can saw faces off with lasers.

1113
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,760
You know, we don't have to explain anything.

1114
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,980
You know, a wolf can wear clothing and be mistaken for a grandma.

1115
00:50:14,420 --> 00:50:18,380
Sure. So it kind of hangs out in this middle space between myth

1116
00:50:18,380 --> 00:50:20,980
and science fiction and sometimes gets a little clunky.

1117
00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:24,700
But I really like it when things get all the way pushed out

1118
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:28,300
into the realm of total absurdity, into the mythic, particularly.

1119
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:32,300
I love the scene where Sean Archer's daughter

1120
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:34,840
stabs him with a knife that he provides her.

1121
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,140
I think that that's such classic mythic imagery to have that kind of irony

1122
00:50:39,140 --> 00:50:40,380
built into the plot.

1123
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:44,900
And that's right after he says the line, what's in Papa's bag?

1124
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:46,880
I thought that moment was just one of my favorite.

1125
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,600
How do you feel about the mythology of the mother of Adam

1126
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,140
making out with her brother as he was dying?

1127
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,780
Yeah. Again, with the like Oedipus stuff, right?

1128
00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:58,740
Like, I don't think I realized.

1129
00:50:58,740 --> 00:51:01,040
Brother, sister kissing is super nice.

1130
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,980
I guess in an interview they were like, why did you do that?

1131
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:06,540
And they were like, we just thought it would be weird.

1132
00:51:06,540 --> 00:51:09,080
Yeah. Figured they were a weird family.

1133
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,800
It was weird.

1134
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,680
Yeah. Well, Nick, you clearly sussed this out.

1135
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,980
You saw the boats and you recognize that this was the way

1136
00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:19,180
into the to the stream of Oedipus story.

1137
00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:21,400
Like, tell me more about that.

1138
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,180
How did you immediately become aware that this was so prominent in the film?

1139
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,480
You know, I just used my old divining rod and pants got a little tight

1140
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,180
and I was like, this is definitely a mother daughter, mother, son kind of

1141
00:51:32,980 --> 00:51:35,180
adult documentary.

1142
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,300
Oh, God.

1143
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,900
Edit your way out of this, Peter.

1144
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:42,040
No. And you know what? I found water.

1145
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:46,200
Bingo.

1146
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,520
Well, how many times how many times so far?

1147
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:52,660
You're keeping count now, right?

1148
00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:55,020
Well, yeah, I've got like an abacus set up

1149
00:51:55,820 --> 00:51:59,400
in the entryway of my house, which is where I often complete. So

1150
00:52:01,220 --> 00:52:03,900
Josie just hears that tick of the abacus sliding over.

1151
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,300
God damn it.

1152
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,460
Well, I get back to what you were saying, Rob, about just the like

1153
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,220
the plot holes of this movie.

1154
00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:15,560
I just want to make a case for a face off.

1155
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,300
Both as a film that I think really does stand alone, but also

1156
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,640
I think why it should continue in this competition is that it is

1157
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,000
it epitomizes this thing that I know we when we've been on

1158
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,760
and you guys all have been talking about throughout this show,

1159
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,700
which is this thing about Nicolas Cage and just like things being pushed

1160
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:38,160
to the absolute brink where you have a choice, you know, are you going to jump

1161
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,740
into the plot hole or not?

1162
00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:44,660
You know, and the thing with Nick Cage is like, if you say yes

1163
00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:47,700
to just going there, like you're going to have a good time.

1164
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,060
And that for me is the beauty about face off is like it really

1165
00:52:53,060 --> 00:52:57,000
it makes it so clear, like that's exactly where you are right from the get go.

1166
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,640
I would say like that initial scene with Nick Cage where he's the priest

1167
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,700
and he's, you know, dancing.

1168
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:04,760
It's just so clear.

1169
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,760
It's like you're either going to get on board with how insane this stuff is

1170
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,260
or or you're not and you're not going to have a very good time watching this movie.

1171
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:12,760
So you might as well get into it.

1172
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:13,800
No, that's fair.

1173
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,440
That's fair. And he does steal the show.

1174
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,540
Like he like choose a scenery so good.

1175
00:53:19,540 --> 00:53:21,200
And he's he's good.

1176
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,960
Both as Castor, Troy and Sean Archer.

1177
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,360
So also another case where they say the name of the movie and the film

1178
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,360
a couple of times, you want to take his face off.

1179
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,960
Yes, I love that scene where they're all fucked up.

1180
00:53:35,740 --> 00:53:37,240
How many times are you going to see face off?

1181
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,360
Fuck. But if you're really.

1182
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,600
So long movie.

1183
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:41,300
Face.

1184
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:43,880
Yeah, so that's my biggest beef with both of these movies.

1185
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,640
I think that they're both a little too long.

1186
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,580
I think you can chop bits and pieces of either one and still have a great movie.

1187
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:53,000
How did Sean Archer as Castor

1188
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:58,440
Troy come to the conclusion that Castor Troy would use phrases like,

1189
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,840
excuse me, I have to go to the little boy's wee wee room.

1190
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,480
That's like a weird vocabulary choice.

1191
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,080
Like if I was impersonating a terrorist,

1192
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,440
I'm not sure terrorist for hire.

1193
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,880
I'm not sure I would come to the oh, he probably uses child references

1194
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,640
when he talks about it already on drugs at this point.

1195
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,240
Yeah, they're all really fucked up at that point.

1196
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:23,440
Yeah, that's true.

1197
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,680
That was a really dumb thing to say, though.

1198
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:26,780
It's a dumb thing to say.

1199
00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:29,000
It's not as dumb as the face waterfall.

1200
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,280
The face waterfall is face water.

1201
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,140
I do like that we did that as like a wave to just kind of went down the line.

1202
00:54:34,180 --> 00:54:34,840
That was nice.

1203
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:35,800
We don't talk about it.

1204
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,740
You kind of like water falling on your own face.

1205
00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:38,440
Yeah, there you go.

1206
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,340
Girl.

1207
00:54:39,340 --> 00:54:40,640
It's true.

1208
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,880
Peter, I have been naked with you in a hot tub before.

1209
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,500
It's true. And that this was weird.

1210
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:46,180
This was weird. Yeah.

1211
00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:49,340
Well, did you waterfall on each other?

1212
00:54:49,340 --> 00:54:50,300
No, I made water.

1213
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:52,680
I went to the wee wee room.

1214
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:54,840
That's the best part about hot tubs.

1215
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,240
It's already to like a sterilizing temperature, right?

1216
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:00,000
Yeah, sure.

1217
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,740
One hundred and five. That cleans it.

1218
00:55:02,740 --> 00:55:04,780
No bacterial growth at all.

1219
00:55:04,780 --> 00:55:07,480
Nick, when you were talking just a minute ago

1220
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,140
about terrorists versus terrorists for hire, I thought though

1221
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:12,440
it was an important distinction that you made that Castro

1222
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:18,240
Troy is terrorist for hire because he's he's really just in it for Castro Troy.

1223
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,080
He's in it for himself. He's in it for the money.

1224
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:25,580
He's he really doesn't care about the good versus evil thing that's happening.

1225
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:28,680
You know, like when there's an explanation that's given,

1226
00:55:29,180 --> 00:55:31,940
but it doesn't have much weight to it, he says,

1227
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,880
let's release the biblical plague that hell they deserve.

1228
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,780
So he's got like a little bit of like a misanthropic approach to

1229
00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:43,340
peak U.S. American civilization in L.A.

1230
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:46,640
is this like beacon of the culture, like it's garbage.

1231
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:51,880
We need to just get rid of it because look at this trash that exists in LA.

1232
00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:53,880
But really, like, how much does he care?

1233
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,380
You know, it's clear that he's like he's in it for the lifestyle.

1234
00:55:56,740 --> 00:56:00,780
And again, I found that to be super interesting for for the story,

1235
00:56:00,780 --> 00:56:06,440
locating it in 1997, that the terrorist is not like ideologically driven per se.

1236
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:07,640
He's like in it for the glamour.

1237
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,140
He's in the lazy and for the parties and for like getting into the hot tub,

1238
00:56:11,140 --> 00:56:13,340
getting naked, like living the fast life.

1239
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:18,340
But for some reason, and I think this this connects to the fact that this is

1240
00:56:18,740 --> 00:56:21,180
gets caught in the middle between myth and science fiction.

1241
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:24,540
We're never quite told what his motivations are beyond that.

1242
00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:26,540
It's like just a job for him now.

1243
00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:30,380
And it felt a little dissatisfying to me not to get a little more backstory.

1244
00:56:30,380 --> 00:56:33,320
Like, why is he doing of all the ways he could make money?

1245
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,080
He's a charismatic person.

1246
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,120
He could make money a million ways. Why is he doing terrorism?

1247
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,080
Yeah. Why not be a politician? Why not be a Sean Archer?

1248
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,720
You know, right? My yeah, he becomes Sean Archer is like, wait,

1249
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,520
this is a better hustle. FBI.

1250
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,880
My real question is why get rid of that amazing mustache?

1251
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,040
I just thought about that.

1252
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,680
I did like the mustache a lot.

1253
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,920
Mustache and mustache and milkshakes.

1254
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,280
Yeah. It's scratch everything I just said.

1255
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,480
Let's go to mustache. Forget all that.

1256
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,840
It's unfortunate that they started with mustache and went to non mustache.

1257
00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:04,320
I mean, it's a great way of telling passage of time. Yeah.

1258
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,840
But by changing his face.

1259
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,920
I mean, it's better than most movies we watched.

1260
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,840
Do you? Yeah. It's not facial hair off.

1261
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,820
It's just face off. Yeah.

1262
00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:16,820
Also, when he does get to the prison and they do the like

1263
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,080
introductory prison scene where he's like in the spotlight,

1264
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,640
just in his like skivvies and just shot from behind like backlit.

1265
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,120
I'm like, God, that man's back is muscular.

1266
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,780
Like, well, he had just filmed Conair.

1267
00:57:26,780 --> 00:57:29,520
Yeah, he was ripped. He was ripped at that point. Yeah.

1268
00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:31,640
Rox, I saw you get something out of your backpack

1269
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,740
and I was really hoping it was the novelization of face off.

1270
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,780
Nick and I were talking about this earlier.

1271
00:57:37,780 --> 00:57:40,780
No, well, I just ordered the novelization of Conair. Oh, so.

1272
00:57:43,820 --> 00:57:45,580
Yeah, I'm very psyched for that.

1273
00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:48,640
It's well, I was told to bring a favorite quote.

1274
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,620
Oh, yes. Make sure that I had.

1275
00:57:50,620 --> 00:57:53,080
Yeah, that in the pocket.

1276
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,320
Some of my favorite things I were sad in this film by Nicholas Cage.

1277
00:57:56,780 --> 00:57:59,220
Let's go. Let's go. I'm bored. Let's go.

1278
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,640
A relatable.

1279
00:58:06,220 --> 00:58:09,640
If I were to send you flowers, where would I wait?

1280
00:58:10,180 --> 00:58:12,040
Let me rephrase.

1281
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:16,320
If I were to let you suck my tongue,

1282
00:58:17,140 --> 00:58:19,120
would you be grateful?

1283
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,620
I would be grateful. Yes.

1284
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,820
Hmm. Let me show like some slight romantic gesture.

1285
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,180
No, no.

1286
00:58:29,780 --> 00:58:31,740
This will work better.

1287
00:58:31,740 --> 00:58:36,340
You know, it's surprising to me that that move of just sticking your tongue out,

1288
00:58:36,340 --> 00:58:39,840
like and leaving it there, waiting for something really not onto it

1289
00:58:40,140 --> 00:58:43,880
hasn't like become more of a like that we don't call that

1290
00:58:44,380 --> 00:58:46,480
wildly erotic and appealing. Right.

1291
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,420
And have a name for it in the way that like the Spider-Man kiss

1292
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:51,140
has become a thing in pop culture.

1293
00:58:51,140 --> 00:58:55,980
You know, see, I just assumed that this is when society

1294
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,220
as a whole just kind of said, you know what?

1295
00:58:58,220 --> 00:59:00,080
I'll back off on French kissing.

1296
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,120
This isn't cool.

1297
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,420
Like we we've jumped the shark on tongue to mouth action

1298
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,040
and then we started eating ass.

1299
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,420
So it's great.

1300
00:59:08,820 --> 00:59:10,420
Thanks, millennials.

1301
00:59:11,180 --> 00:59:12,620
Sorry, Freeman.

1302
00:59:12,620 --> 00:59:17,260
So my my favorite line was actually about

1303
00:59:17,260 --> 00:59:20,220
Casper Troy from the mouth of Eve.

1304
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,000
And at this point, Nicholas Cage is John Archer.

1305
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:27,760
And Eve doesn't realize she's speaking to to Casper Troy.

1306
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,220
But what's interesting is at this point in the plot,

1307
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,400
they're both being kind of dressed down by the women in their life

1308
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,520
and being told like, you suck at being in a relationship with me

1309
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,100
and I really don't like it.

1310
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:41,320
But they're hearing it from this other perspective.

1311
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,080
And both of them kind of responding with a little bit of understanding

1312
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,220
and and compassion, which I think was really well done.

1313
00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:50,460
One of the better points of writing in the story.

1314
00:59:50,460 --> 00:59:55,360
But Eve tells Casper that the only three things she's ever heard him say

1315
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,420
are suck my tongue, nice ass and see you later.

1316
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,880
That is a great line.

1317
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,920
Do you guys want to throw any shade at Conair?

1318
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,560
It's boring.

1319
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,940
Especially I mean, in comparison to Face Off, it's a boring movie.

1320
01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:16,060
That's really what I thought when I watched it was like, OK, there's actually,

1321
01:00:16,060 --> 01:00:20,540
you know, there's a fair amount of similar energy, similar plot points

1322
01:00:20,540 --> 01:00:22,960
even happening between these two movies.

1323
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:28,200
Yeah, the fact that that Conair is a bit more of a coherent movie,

1324
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,540
I think is not a good thing.

1325
01:00:31,860 --> 01:00:36,460
I think that it makes it we're supposed to take it more seriously.

1326
01:00:36,460 --> 01:00:41,160
Or there's more sort of potential for us to to do that.

1327
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,960
Whereas, like I said, with Face Off, you're really pushed to the brink of absurdity

1328
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,960
and you're either jumping on or not.

1329
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,900
But I think Conair was trying to be well, to put it in your guys's language,

1330
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:57,160
Conair for Nick Cage is just it's a it's a tough guy film all the way, 100 percent.

1331
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:02,760
Face Off is a tough guy and a fucking weird film all in one, which,

1332
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,160
in my opinion, is better. Yeah.

1333
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:11,660
And I didn't watch Conair Roxanne did actually with your mother, right?

1334
01:01:11,660 --> 01:01:13,960
Who knows the the writer of the film?

1335
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,360
She went to high school with the guy that wrote the movie.

1336
01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:22,160
So, OK, what I want to say is, I think if we lived in a culture

1337
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,860
that was more focused on mythology and less on novel,

1338
01:01:26,860 --> 01:01:31,460
then this film would have received a great portion of critical acclaim

1339
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:32,860
that went to L.A. Confidential.

1340
01:01:32,860 --> 01:01:35,560
I rewatched L.A. Confidential and it's good.

1341
01:01:35,860 --> 01:01:40,860
Don't get me wrong, but it's good because it really nails the form of novel.

1342
01:01:40,860 --> 01:01:44,860
I don't think there's anything particularly special about it, honestly, as a film.

1343
01:01:44,860 --> 01:01:47,860
But it's just a it's a really good adaptation of a novel.

1344
01:01:47,860 --> 01:01:49,960
And L.A. Confidential is based on a book.

1345
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:54,960
But Face Off, on the other hand, is this loose adaptation of a few different myths,

1346
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,360
including Oedipus, apparently.

1347
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:57,760
I didn't see it coming, Nick.

1348
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,260
But thank you for telling me it was coming.

1349
01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:01,760
Because it came and.

1350
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:02,760
Oh, yes, it did.

1351
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:07,460
Yeah. But I think that, you know, the blockbuster movie award

1352
01:02:07,460 --> 01:02:11,660
and the MTV Movie Award show that this movie struck a chord with people.

1353
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:15,960
And I think it's that chord inside of us that still thinks myths are interesting

1354
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,260
and worth dealing with and thinking about, even if not everything is explained.

1355
01:02:20,260 --> 01:02:22,160
It's a little wacky. It's out there.

1356
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,860
There's plot holes everywhere.

1357
01:02:23,860 --> 01:02:25,760
It's kind of weird. It's a little freaky.

1358
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,060
It makes you feel uncomfortable.

1359
01:02:27,060 --> 01:02:30,360
But actually, it's got a ton of staying power.

1360
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:35,360
Also, Face Off has more boats and Gina Gershon.

1361
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,360
Conair lacks these features.

1362
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,560
And then I guess the last thing I would want to say in terms of making a really

1363
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:46,160
clear case for Face Off is, I mean, it's y'all's show.

1364
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,160
You know what I mean?

1365
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:48,960
You should pick whichever movie you want to watch again.

1366
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,560
So you have to ask yourselves the questions.

1367
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,260
Do you really want to watch Conair for a third time?

1368
01:02:54,260 --> 01:02:55,560
Do you want to visit that show?

1369
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,860
Do you want to visit that drama on yourselves?

1370
01:02:57,860 --> 01:02:59,860
You have to ask yourself that question.

1371
01:02:59,860 --> 01:03:02,260
You know what I mean? Or do you want to watch Face Off again?

1372
01:03:02,260 --> 01:03:05,060
Do you want to watch John Travolta acting like Nicholas Cage?

1373
01:03:05,060 --> 01:03:10,060
So this movie directed by John Woo.

1374
01:03:10,060 --> 01:03:12,060
And we do have a scene of doves.

1375
01:03:12,060 --> 01:03:18,260
If you could John Woo another scene in this film, where would you put the doves?

1376
01:03:18,260 --> 01:03:21,660
The romantic dinner scene.

1377
01:03:21,660 --> 01:03:24,060
Candles are lit.

1378
01:03:24,060 --> 01:03:26,860
She sits down. Yeah.

1379
01:03:26,860 --> 01:03:33,060
Doves. When hide from that 70s show gets ripped out of the car.

1380
01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:36,260
Doves. He just turns into birds.

1381
01:03:36,260 --> 01:03:37,360
As you pull them out.

1382
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,060
You just toss birds.

1383
01:03:41,060 --> 01:03:43,460
Boat through boat.

1384
01:03:43,460 --> 01:03:45,260
Doves. It's all it.

1385
01:03:45,260 --> 01:03:47,060
It was a magician's boat.

1386
01:03:47,060 --> 01:03:51,360
I'll say the compositing of the boat flip with them flying through the air

1387
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:52,860
is the funniest fucking thing.

1388
01:03:52,860 --> 01:03:54,660
It's so good.

1389
01:03:54,660 --> 01:03:57,460
What if the doves carry them to the ground?

1390
01:03:57,460 --> 01:04:00,060
And that explains how they were safe. Nice.

1391
01:04:00,060 --> 01:04:01,460
Very nice.

1392
01:04:01,460 --> 01:04:05,860
I'll say that I I think they really should have made us be more uncomfortable

1393
01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:12,060
with the sex scenes when they're with the other person's partner.

1394
01:04:12,060 --> 01:04:15,360
And one of them should have involved the Prince song when doves cry

1395
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,360
and there should have been doves at the moment of climax.

1396
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,560
It should have been a full on like maybe seen some tits and ass like they should.

1397
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,560
They should have pushed it farther.

1398
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:28,560
What if they just replaced Nicholas Cage's dick with a dove's head and neck?

1399
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,360
He just pulls out a dove head.

1400
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,960
How do you know that that's not what he's got?

1401
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,060
Yeah, it could be actually.

1402
01:04:34,060 --> 01:04:37,560
And that's why the wife didn't question it because that's what she's used to.

1403
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,060
Listen, a dove's head feels the same.

1404
01:04:40,060 --> 01:04:44,060
So how would you feel if you were accustomed to just having a bifurcated penis

1405
01:04:44,060 --> 01:04:50,360
and then like you get this surgery and now you've got dove head dick?

1406
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,860
Where did the bifurcation come from? Is this because of claspers?

1407
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,560
I don't know. I just think it's funny.

1408
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,360
Looks like a snake's tongue.

1409
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,160
This is an aside from both of the films, but I'm just curious about it.

1410
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,060
Since you all become cage experts.

1411
01:05:04,060 --> 01:05:06,760
I always forget that he's a part of the Coppola family.

1412
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,260
Oh, yeah. And I wonder, is there an episode where you all have talked about that?

1413
01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:13,060
And I missed it because I want to hear you guys talk about that a lot.

1414
01:05:13,260 --> 01:05:17,060
He while putting a request in at some point for you all to dig in on the dynamics

1415
01:05:17,060 --> 01:05:20,260
of where he fits in the family, because they seem like Hollywood royalty to me.

1416
01:05:20,260 --> 01:05:23,360
And I never quite think of him as that, but he is kind.

1417
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,360
I mean, he's separated himself so much from it intentionally.

1418
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,360
Yeah, he had to I think two roles

1419
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,820
that he did as Nicholas Coppola before he switched over.

1420
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,460
It was Peggy Sue got married and well, there was Rumblefish,

1421
01:05:36,460 --> 01:05:39,560
but there was also his appearance in Fast Times.

1422
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:40,700
Fast Times. That's what I was thinking.

1423
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:44,560
And then I think originally Peggy Sue got married, but that later got changed.

1424
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,400
Yeah. Do you know where his screen name comes from?

1425
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,640
I don't. It's from Luke Cage, Power Man,

1426
01:05:52,300 --> 01:05:54,240
because he loves comic books.

1427
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,400
Do you think that had he not gone with a screen name

1428
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,380
and not gone to Nicholas Cage, the Coppola name would have

1429
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,740
completely changed his career and what roles were offered to him

1430
01:06:03,740 --> 01:06:04,580
and available to him?

1431
01:06:04,580 --> 01:06:07,280
I mean, in terms of nepotism or.

1432
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,640
I have this story in my head that Coppola equals art film.

1433
01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:14,740
And when I think of Cage, I think more like mass appeal.

1434
01:06:14,740 --> 01:06:18,460
Yeah, I think changing his name probably gave him more freedom

1435
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:23,040
to just act out in the way that he is known to.

1436
01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:26,160
It separates him pretty, pretty thoroughly.

1437
01:06:26,940 --> 01:06:29,000
I like it. Yeah, me too.

1438
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,060
Yeah, it feels like it gives him somehow more artistic breath.

1439
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:34,200
Like there's some name to uphold.

1440
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,460
Like, oh, you're a Coppola.

1441
01:06:35,460 --> 01:06:37,300
Like we don't act in those films.

1442
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:39,060
Sorry, Sophia Coppola doesn't do that.

1443
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:41,260
You know, oh, OK.

1444
01:06:41,260 --> 01:06:43,260
What act? You're right.

1445
01:06:43,260 --> 01:06:44,960
Well, that is true. Sorry, Sophia.

1446
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,800
You're so weird.

1447
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,700
Great director, just not teenagers are weird.

1448
01:06:50,700 --> 01:06:51,840
That's what it was.

1449
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,140
Good director, good director, not a good actor. Yeah.

1450
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,240
Last thoughts on this movie.

1451
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,500
Fourth time watching it, like had so much fun every time I turn to this movie,

1452
01:07:00,500 --> 01:07:02,160
I find some something else.

1453
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,160
If there was a character from this movie that you had to invite

1454
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,100
to a dinner party with, say,

1455
01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:13,000
a weirdly religious family member, like you just have to do it.

1456
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,700
Which character would you bring to dinner with your weirdly religious aunt?

1457
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:20,400
Your cult aunt? That's such a good question, because I have so many of those.

1458
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,800
And Midwest, baby, you got it.

1459
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,500
The answer is that the henchmen, when they're in the like slick layer,

1460
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:32,080
Castro choice slick layer before the shootout with the FBI.

1461
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,280
Yeah, tight layer. Yeah, it's a really tight layer.

1462
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,380
I want to hang there. And it was on the.

1463
01:07:36,380 --> 01:07:38,380
That's why they won the award.

1464
01:07:38,380 --> 01:07:41,200
Yeah. Well, maybe that award isn't such a big deal after all.

1465
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:42,800
You know, what a Homer play.

1466
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,500
But Castor Troy.

1467
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:48,800
But this is John Archer speaking as Castor Troy in this moment says,

1468
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,000
I want to take his face off.

1469
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,200
And the bald dude who makes out with his sister isn't, you know,

1470
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,900
because he's an idiot.

1471
01:07:56,900 --> 01:07:58,000
Because he's Cassavetes.

1472
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,300
Yeah, because he makes out with his sister.

1473
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:01,300
He makes poor choices. He's immediately on board.

1474
01:08:01,300 --> 01:08:03,500
He's like, cool, we're going to do that. It's going to be a party.

1475
01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:07,800
But then there's that guy in the background who there's like a pregnant pause

1476
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,300
and he goes, how are we going to do that?

1477
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:15,500
He's not afraid to ask Castor Troy the question that could get him shot in the head.

1478
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:19,500
And I need someone to ask my messed up hands.

1479
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:22,700
The question that nobody else in the room has the balls to ask.

1480
01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:24,200
Good answer.

1481
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,800
I'd invite Thomas Jane from this movie because I want to touch his hair.

1482
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,800
OK.

1483
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,700
I'm going Gina Gershon.

1484
01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:36,600
She's so hot because they're all the same.

1485
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,000
But Gina Gershon, she different.

1486
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,000
It's true. And it would just be nice distraction.

1487
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,200
Plus, I've seen what she can do in bound.

1488
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,600
You guys watch bound. Yeah.

1489
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,100
I would have to bring Dubov.

1490
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:53,300
Oh, hell, yeah. Yeah. Dinner with the machine.

1491
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:56,000
Nice. Pre or post lobotomy, Dubov.

1492
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,000
Um, mid lobotomy.

1493
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,500
Yeah, pre.

1494
01:09:01,500 --> 01:09:03,300
It's got vomit.

1495
01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:07,000
I've just constantly got somebody being electrocuted at the dinner table.

1496
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,000
Yeah, that's perfect.

1497
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,500
That's a great way to get one over on your messed up aunt.

1498
01:09:10,500 --> 01:09:14,500
Yeah. Make her sit next to a mid lobotomy Dubov with vomit.

1499
01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:16,500
Yeah. Also, Dubov is the homie.

1500
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:21,000
All that Castor Troy has to say is, hey, I didn't touch your wife, man.

1501
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,000
He immediately.

1502
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,000
Believes them, you know. Yeah. All right. I take you for your work.

1503
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,000
We all need a person like that.

1504
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,000
He was now in a state of stupid.

1505
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,000
He'd been stupid and pretty good.

1506
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,000
OK. All right.

1507
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,000
Face Waterfalls, dinner parties and mom complexes.

1508
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,000
That's what you come here for.

1509
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,000
Yeah. Face off seems to has it all.

1510
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,000
Yeah. And dove dicks.

1511
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,000
One more. One more abacus beads slides across.

1512
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,000
Ding. Done. See you guys at the sequel.

1513
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,000
Well, thank you all for being here.

1514
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,000
Thank you guys. Yeah. What a treat.

1515
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,000
All right. Compelling arguments from both sides.

1516
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,000
Yeah. Thanks to all of our guests this week.

1517
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,000
Yeah, it was really nice to see Shay and both Gary and Rock.

1518
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:13,000
So our house couple couple of guests just bring it all back for round three.

1519
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,000
Round three.

1520
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,000
So the 16. So the 16.

1521
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,000
So now Nick and I are going to discuss the arguments and.

1522
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:24,000
Yeah, I guess we're going to just think back to like what we've heard today

1523
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,000
and put aside our biases.

1524
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,000
Yeah, that's going to be hard because I'm biased as hell.

1525
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,000
Very much so.

1526
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,000
Like I'm not here to change.

1527
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,000
We know. Yeah.

1528
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,000
OK, well, let's start with Shay.

1529
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:43,000
So Shay's arguments where we've got a a fun kind of action campy

1530
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:48,000
romp that is able to be jumped into at any moment.

1531
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,000
Enjoy. Yeah.

1532
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,000
Like it's you're there for the journey.

1533
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:56,000
You're not there for the individual pieces or necessarily even the individual actors.

1534
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,000
It's all just a right.

1535
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:02,000
Because we've got a large ensemble in this one much more than when you have in face off.

1536
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:08,000
Yeah. And so it's just about being taken forward that just sort of a summertime

1537
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,000
summer feeling, summer love, summer block.

1538
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:17,000
And then we've got Gary and Rock's vying for face off with an argument.

1539
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,000
She went pretty deep, deeper than I would expect for this film.

1540
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:24,000
But that's that's why we have Gary and Rocks.

1541
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:28,000
And, you know, it's we learned how that it's edible.

1542
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,000
Uh huh. Uh huh.

1543
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,000
Yeah, I feel weird.

1544
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:35,000
Like if I were to vote against it, am I voting against mother loving?

1545
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:40,000
We'll find out.

1546
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:45,000
There are some things I just don't know if I can put on like the Internet as being against yet.

1547
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:50,000
So fair. I mean, for numbers alone, bifurcated penises, mother loving.

1548
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:54,000
But no, they made I think they made a really strong case for this being a much better

1549
01:11:54,000 --> 01:12:01,000
character genre piece and just a really good front to back story.

1550
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,000
Right. Yeah. That's also how you have to eat a peach.

1551
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,000
The front to back for hours.

1552
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:16,000
And, you know, it doesn't feel like we have fatigue from watching face off.

1553
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,000
I know we've talked about the length of the movie.

1554
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,000
Yeah, it is the longer of the two.

1555
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,000
It's 220 as opposed to like 155 for Conair.

1556
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:28,000
I know for me, the performance is effective.

1557
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:36,000
I know for me, the performances of face off really are what sells it for me, especially when you look at Nick Cage in both films.

1558
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:44,000
This face off really hinges on Nick Cage's over the top personality and his wild emotional swings,

1559
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:50,000
which work really well for the character, whereas Cameron Poe is just a stoic.

1560
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:56,000
He's a semi justice machine steadfast justice machine machine with a very swingy accent.

1561
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:01,000
But that role could really be played by any wall of muscle for the most part.

1562
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:09,000
Like, I don't think his Nicholas Cage doesn't bring any gravitas to that role other than just being huge.

1563
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:19,000
That might be fair, but he also Nicholas Cage, the actor, adds charisma that I don't think any wall of muscle can necessarily pick up.

1564
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:28,000
The shots of Nicholas Cage like winking back over his shoulder, the manly husband father.

1565
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,000
I'm going to say this is the sexiest Nick Cage.

1566
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:35,000
It's up there. I think Birdie is still my sexiest Nick Cage.

1567
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,000
With the teeth removed?

1568
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:41,000
No. Wait, was it Birdie or Racing with the Moon?

1569
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,000
Yeah.

1570
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,000
I don't know. Come gutters, Cage.

1571
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,000
Yeah, Racing with the Moon.

1572
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,000
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely that one.

1573
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,000
Plus, with that dance move on the bowling alley.

1574
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,000
Yeah. And it's got Crispin Glover in it.

1575
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,000
Oh, yeah. That adds to Nicholas Cage's sexiness.

1576
01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:03,000
But no, like this is a very, very attractive, mature Nicholas Cage.

1577
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,000
This is his prime. So both movies, he's in his prime.

1578
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,000
Yeah. I mean, it's the same year.

1579
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,000
Like these were filmed within two years of each other.

1580
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,000
But he's got that hair.

1581
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,000
These are juggernaut movies for him too.

1582
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,000
I mean, these are two of his biggest movies.

1583
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:18,000
Oh, that's fair. We haven't discussed these are two thirds of the.

1584
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,000
They're really big action films. Yeah.

1585
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,000
It's a tough call.

1586
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:27,000
It is. I know in terms of just when I sit down to watch Con Air,

1587
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,000
any scene I watch, I'm going to enjoy.

1588
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,000
I don't know that I enjoy it front to back.

1589
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,000
Like I just zone in.

1590
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,000
I just zone in and out of that film just because there's nothing really drawing me in.

1591
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,000
Whereas face off, I really like the whole thing.

1592
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:46,000
Even like my critiques of like the weird prison scene, it's still interesting.

1593
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,000
And the performances across the board are all great.

1594
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:57,000
Yeah, there are difficulties in a movie that is primarily viewed in a singular like backdrop.

1595
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,000
Yeah. Like we've just plain is most of it.

1596
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,000
Yeah. And I mean, it's not like it. Yeah, it does.

1597
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,000
But not even that. I mean, we discussed in the first one, like this movie was being rewritten a lot.

1598
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,000
That movie was being rewritten a lot. So there's a lot of sloppiness there.

1599
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,000
That ultimately does come together better than it should.

1600
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:18,000
But I can say that that's much more of a turn off your brain popcorn film

1601
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:23,000
as opposed to like a good character film, which if nothing else, Nick Cage is a character.

1602
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:28,000
Yeah, it's a fantastic product. Is it the better of the two?

1603
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:33,000
I'm going to say yes. Yeah.

1604
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,000
I think the package is best in Con Air.

1605
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:42,000
And I think it's the most accessible for an audience.

1606
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,000
You know, you'll never get me to bad mouth a boat chase.

1607
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:52,000
And Face Off has one of the top boat chases in my life.

1608
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:57,000
But I think Con Air has the people's heart.

1609
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:01,000
Let's throw to the people. No.

1610
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,000
Yeah. First episode comes down to Peter. Fuck.

1611
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,000
Because I think I. Oh, you're voting for face.

1612
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,000
I was voting for face. Oh, that was unclear.

1613
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,000
Oh, I thought it was very clear. Sorry about that.

1614
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,000
I went for the one that actually had acting in it.

1615
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:19,000
So you actually said something, though, Sean, that maybe has made me flip flop,

1616
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,000
because Gary and Rox sold me pretty well.

1617
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:27,000
But you also talked about how you can jump into Con Air at any point

1618
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,000
and kind of just be fine and face off.

1619
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,000
You're like, the fuck? What is this thing?

1620
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,000
Ah, man. One of these is a better movie.

1621
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,000
One of these is more enjoyable to watch repeatedly.

1622
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,000
Both of them are overblown.

1623
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,000
Both of them have about 20 minutes too long.

1624
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,000
Con Air. Cool. I love Con Air. Yeah.

1625
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,000
Well, thank you to everybody who got us to this point.

1626
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,000
We already have that recording. You don't need to do it again.

1627
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,000
Yeah, but I'm going to I bought the fucking gavel.

1628
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,000
Yeah. Thank you all for listening.

1629
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,000
This is a new kind of experiment for us.

1630
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,000
So hopefully you enjoyed it.

1631
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,000
And if you want to talk with us on social media and tell us that we're stupid,

1632
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,000
you can find us at cage underscore match underscore pod, specifically that I am stupid.

1633
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,000
Yeah, you're stupid.

1634
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,000
Not you, Peter, but whoever said we're stupid. You're stupid.

1635
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,000
Yeah. Kirk. Wait. Nice.

1636
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:32,000
If you'd like to see photos of all of us in tight denim with dirty white

1637
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:36,000
white tank tops on and maybe some mullets.

1638
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,000
Oh, you can go to our Patreon. Yeah.

1639
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:44,000
Special thanks to our Sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam and Bill.

1640
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:50,000
And to our cage dancers, Ira, John, Freeman, Lance, Nathan and Cameron.

1641
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,000
Really love your support. Cameron Poe.

1642
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,000
Yes, it's him. That's why I voted. Sorry.

1643
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,000
It's biased. Fixed. It's all fixed.

1644
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:02,000
And as always, two thirds of the hosts are. Hey.

1645
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,000
All right. Have a happy face waterfall, everybody.

1646
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,000
Right. Well, I don't like it.

1647
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,000
Bye bye.

1648
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:21,000
So I was in a tattoo shop recently getting a tattoo done,

1649
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:26,000
and a woman came in and said to a visiting artist at the shop,

1650
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:33,000
I want to get a tattoo of a weasel with a shrimp dick on the bottom of my foot

1651
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:39,000
as a portrait of my ex so I can stop his likeness out over the next couple of years.

1652
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:44,000
And so I was so she walks out and the tattoo artist draws it up while she goes

1653
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:49,000
down the road for a beverage, she comes back in and he shows the drawing that he drew up

1654
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:53,000
and he had the shrimp shoved into the crotch of the weasel backwards.

1655
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:56,000
So is the ass of the shrimp, just the shrimp tail shrimp tail,

1656
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,000
shrimp tail, which was bifurcated actually. Oh, perfect.

1657
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,000
Yeah, true. That is. And she got the tat done.

1658
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,000
So she's out there. So if you're listening to this, hit us up.

1659
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:08,000
And, you know, we want to make contact, you know, good on that tattoo artist, too,

1660
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,000
for being like this.

1661
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,000
This sounds like something that you would do in a tattoo shop.

1662
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,000
Like this, this sounds like something you're going to regret at some point.

1663
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,000
But let's just go for it. We're doing it.

1664
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,000
Full send. Put it on the foot.

1665
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,000
And you got one as well because you were so inspired.

1666
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,000
I did. Yeah, absolutely.

1667
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,000
On your face, though, which is really impressive.

1668
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:44,000
I didn't want to ask.