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Oh, God. Oh, my God.

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Look back, but

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don't look back in anger.

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Yeah, it's like cool kids don't look at explosions.

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And you don't look at poops.

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Yeah, I don't look back.

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I just hit flush and walk away.

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The plumbing situations in God's hand.

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Yeah, now God, God has not blessed me with that, so we might be in trouble.

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Battery operated vagina.

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Oh, yeah, level check warmed up.

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What did eight millimeter go up against the first time?

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Bad Lieutenant.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, this was definitely a lesser of two evils when

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I still have fondness for that one, but I definitely understand for bad lieutenant.

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Yeah, I mean, I get bad.

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Well, the movie is worse than eight millimeter.

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I do not deny that.

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I think that cage's performance is wilder and more fun.

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So it's another one of those like who the fuck knows how we actually decide

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how what are we voting for these days?

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Sometimes we vote on performance.

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Sometimes we vote on overall movie quality.

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Sometimes ensemble. It's like, fuck it.

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I mean, this was definitely one where I voted along the lines of

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I never want to watch bad lieutenant again.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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I never wanted to watch eight millimeter again, and now I'm going to have to watch

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it another time. You don't know that.

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Probably. We've been swayed before.

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That's true. But not by the likes of Adam.

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No, I feel like I have nothing to add to whatever is about to happen.

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Oh, you're a planet, Ed.

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Welcome back to Cajamash, calling around about wave, many Nicholas cage.

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I'm your host, Sean.

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You're with my cohost Nick and our producer Peter.

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Hello. And we have back for the third time.

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Third third time.

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I should have known that answer.

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Our buddy Adam. Thanks for having me back.

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Yeah, it's the third time because I did in season one.

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I did National Treasure two versus the wizard one.

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And then I did Primal.

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Such a good film versus a different movie.

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Actually, after what we watched, you know what?

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Yeah. Primal versus National Treasure.

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Was it National Treasure?

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I think it was. Yeah, I did both national.

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Of course, I did. Yeah. National Treasures.

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Thank you for letting me do both national.

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Yeah, of course. Nobody had the gumption takes real courage

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to come on this show.

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This is a show.

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I'm actually going to get this out at the beginning of the podcast this week.

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I'm amazed. I love it.

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So the show where we take 64 Nicholas Cage movies and March Madness

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bracket style, Nick and I decide what is the cagiest film of all

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based on metrics that sway wildly.

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Yeah. And I mean, what I really like is that this is a prime example

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of like how weird the bracket can be.

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Like this is in the serious guy bracket.

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And we have two movies that are very dissimilar.

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Yes, we have Captain Kareli's Mandolin,

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romantic wartime drama and eight millimeter.

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A romantic wartime drama.

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He goes through his own personal war.

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At first, when I was watching these, I watched eight millimeter

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and I was like, oh, Peter Stormare. Awesome.

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And I was like, that's our connective tissue.

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He's also the Swede.

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And I was like, no, he's not in Captain Kareli's.

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No, that was wind talkers.

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There's no common thread.

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Nicholas Cage is in both of them.

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Hey, there's our.

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Threat.

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Adam, why don't you tell us all about Captain Kareli's Mandolin?

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Sure. Why not?

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A perfect circle, because it was fucking pointless.

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There's nothing redeeming about this movie.

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Actually, you know what? I'm not going to say that the set

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and costume design were all pretty good.

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It had a bang and cast Penelope Cruz was pretty good,

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which I would normally never say.

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I've never been a big fan of hers, but I thought this was one

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she was pretty good in.

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Christian Bale was good.

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I was watching it this morning.

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I was at my I've been at my friend's house this weekend,

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taking care of his dogs.

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And I tend to watch almost everything with screenshots on.

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You remember the scene where they're unloading all the sandbags

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so they can blow up on the bottom of the beach scene in the movie?

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And the guys are the guys are singing as they're unloading sandbags.

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Men's men's scatting because they're singing in Italian.

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I want to show you this one of the picture while we're here.

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Is that Rainn Wilson? Yeah.

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Or is that old Nick? Right.

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It's about the same thing.

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Yeah, I absolutely thought that was an age filter.

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Yeah, I have to go through a John C.

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Riley phase before I really settle into my Rainn Wilson elderly years.

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But it's a good arc.

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So I thought I thought John Hurt did a fairly solid job, but

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really, the best performance in the movie was David Morrissey.

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I thought he I thought, I mean, you know, we're we're working on a comparative

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spectrum here because it's this movie.

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So the best character was the Nazi.

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I the best performance.

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The best character is the guy who gets the peace stuck in his.

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Yeah, so he gets to take it out.

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And then once the people in later.

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I movie has so many so much depth to it.

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It's a it's about an hour and 50 minutes between credits.

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And this took me maybe almost three hours to watch.

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I just found it very, very difficult.

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The Nick Cage and Penelope Cruz have no chemistry on screen.

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He's just that's not that was not a good role for him.

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You don't like his accent work.

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No, I didn't.

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I didn't like it.

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I did like when he said, fuck off.

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Yeah, that's it.

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That was my quote for the from the first season.

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I believe, yeah.

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Was that also was that his first line in the film?

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No, he said, you know, Bella, Bella Bambino.

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Oh, yeah.

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He cat calls. Yeah, that's right.

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But this the the storyline just didn't make sense.

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we're doing a historical drama and there's a love story,

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maybe there would have been legs there.

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A lot of what they tried to portray apparently really, really happened.

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Like the earthquake also happened.

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Oh, fun, because I was at my friend's house when he's out of town.

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He just leaves a radio station on for his dogs.

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So I listened to the I just had the radio on as I was watching this.

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Bloyster Colt came on.

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Don't fear the reaper.

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Don't fear.

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like John Hurt falling down the bottle breaking on the floor.

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Just some ripping cowbell. Yeah.

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So just a quick reminder.

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What this film is actually about is a thing

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on what's the island, Catalan, California or something

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Italian during World War Two.

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Italian troops occupy this island.

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Yeah, Grecian Island, Grecian Island.

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And Nick Cage plays Captain Kareli and falls in love with local

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lady, local mandolin, Penelope Cruz. Yes.

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What did I say?

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And what did I say about this movie?

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The first time we watched it like, man, does she want to fuck that mandolin? Yes.

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I stand by it.

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Also, for this move, this being about a movie about this man's mandolin,

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doesn't come into play that much. Not a lot. No.

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So yeah, I mean, so it's maybe it comes in more in the book.

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But for the movie, they really don't focus that much on it.

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They take the strings off of it to repair his broken arm.

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Yeah. But I think or maybe some broken ribs.

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There was a lot going on. Yeah.

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You get shot. It's a rough day.

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The way it was filmed, the setting, the script,

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the amount of music

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that they were incorporating could have had more mandolin, honestly. This.

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They didn't want to overshadow the man.

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This this script would have been great for a theater performance.

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Awesome. That's what this movie should have been.

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High schoolers. At least the first two thirds of it.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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But the last 20 minutes were the only interesting parts of it.

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Now, this movie takes a hard turn into just wartime drama.

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I mean, it's sort of the sound of music doesn't mean I like

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sound of music either, though. Fair enough.

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I also haven't watched the sound of music since like the third grade.

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And about the same amount of mandolin, same amount of singing, too.

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There's a lot of singing in this movie.

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The Italians are very cheery and singy and.

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This whole thing felt like

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20 separate one acts that all involved the same characters of the same story.

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But there were there would be scenes that just happened

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without any lead in.

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And then the next scene had nothing to do with what had just happened.

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And we're never going to revisit that again.

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There's probably some like master cut of this that's five hours long.

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And all things are explored.

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But is that is fucking wants to watch that.

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That's the only reasonable explanation for what I had to watch today.

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I forgot about it, but I noticed again this time when the Italians.

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Sorry, one second.

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I'm going to say that to you.

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Hey. Other dogs exist.

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I get shot.

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Somebody do something about it.

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Hey, if he gets shot, you want to join the podcast?

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You've invited me back for a third time, but it's like you could.

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You could do this full time if he gets killed.

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We're all basically cogs that can be replaced.

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We're not trying that hard.

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How's your Photoshop work?

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Come on, man.

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You're going to do that.

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I can barely use an iPhone.

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So when the Italians are like flying over the island

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and the Italians like parachuting on the island is done really poorly.

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So when you have the paratroopers coming down,

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but they are disappearing behind the planes that are flying behind them.

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The scales all fucked up again.

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This is my weird artist eye.

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So I just see these things that no one else pays attention to.

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I didn't pay attention to actually to illustrate how I much

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how much I agree with you on that when that scene was happening, I was like,

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these people are they dropping supplies here?

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There is no context for any scene.

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It's funny.

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Then there's the big fight at the end for reasons.

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Right. Because they have to make him sympathetic,

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like Italian, like it's important to remember.

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Italians aren't people.

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Italians are not people.

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I think I boldly made that declaration last time we watched this movie.

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Last week, too, we decided it's OK.

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It's not racist if they're Italian.

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Actually, one of my biggest takeaways from this is the very last scene

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when he just shows up and she's like looking for lemony.

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He was like, oh, she's down over there.

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I was doing the whole like I tried to live without you,

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but I can't live without you.

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And all I could focus on was suit.

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The reason was because of when that movie was made, when we did the

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when we did the episode with National Treasure

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and I was making fun of Sean Bean's suit being so overly sized.

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And Peter was like, it was of an era.

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And that's like I sat there looking at I was like another suit made by Jinko.

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And then I just heard Peter go, it's of an era.

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And it was like, oh, my God, why?

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Why are there no tailors?

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You know, five years ago, what I took away from that scene,

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this is the this movie does one thing perfectly that no other movie

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we've watched has done.

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And this movie is the best movie because of it.

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Nick Cage gets a haircut between leaving the island

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and coming back several years later.

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Yeah, I hate when people have the same haircut for seven years,

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and it's the same length.

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Do you remember what this movie went up against in season one

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because this went through is like, oh, it was against Lord of War.

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Oh, yeah.

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Lord of War was bad.

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Yeah, that's another that's one that I did not make it through.

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I did make it all the way through both of these films.

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That's literally the bare minimum.

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I'm asking you this the minimum for this.

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This was this was a rough round for me, I'm going to be honest.

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Yeah, the juxtaposition on these two movies is something else.

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Listen, they can't all be bangers.

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The so a millimeter has some bangers in it.

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I was just thinking about how great of an idea would be to just continue

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inviting Adam onto the podcast forever,

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but not actually doing the bracketed movies

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and not telling him just constantly worse and worse movies.

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Seasonal, you know, I don't know how all of these keep making it further

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in the bracket, Adam, but we're going to need you to watch 211

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and pay the ghost. So have have any of you

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like watched White Christmas recently?

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I mean, no. OK, so I'll watch White Christmas

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on either Christmas Eve or Christmas Day.

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And then we just watch like Hallmark Christmas movies all night.

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But I watch White Christmas at least once a year.

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And it's White Christmas.

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It's a little, you know, white supremacy movie from back in the day.

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If anybody remembers it, it starts out in wartime

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and because it was made like 70 years ago,

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the set is clearly like just a painted backdrop

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and really bad lighting.

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And what they were trying to do to imagine

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what war might be like for people.

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And this movie reminded me of that.

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It was just like all of it was filmed on a stage somewhere.

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And it is actually filmed on the island where all of this happened, I believe.

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And it's like it was a gorgeous setting.

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And they still took no advantage of what they had.

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And they just it was like a different director.

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Every scene. I do enjoy a movie like those sorts like.

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OK, we have Greeks and Italians, but everyone's going to speak English.

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But just to remind you that the Greeks and Italians, every once in a while,

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they'll say one word in a different language.

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That really bothered me.

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Apparently, Ebert, one of his biggest beefs with this is like

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a character said something in English with an accent

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and somebody else said in English, what did he say?

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And then it was repeated

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in English, but in a different accent.

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And it was like, man, we're not trying here at all.

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I really like that this movie had prostitutes in it.

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Were they? Do we know that?

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We had to have been. They were hanging out with Italians.

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Oh, yeah. She's.

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A real quiet Mike night for Nick until right then.

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Yeah. Like, OK, they do call them prostitutes.

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So if they're paid to be there, like is it just a free vacation?

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Like all expenses paid thing, are they getting paid by the hour?

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It's probably like an expense account thing. All right.

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Wait, do you build that to the government?

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The Italian government? Yeah.

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So most of the taxes go

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our prostitutes and cigarettes.

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I was sort of trying to figure out while I was watching it,

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like, where's Nick Cage going to just do Nick Cage shit?

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And no, I actually it I didn't notice it when it was happening.

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And it might have been scripted.

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I don't want it to have been.

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But when the character, I think his name was Carlo came in,

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he had been fighting in like Albania or something.

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And then they sent him over to this island. And he like.

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Nick Cage's battery was admitted that, oh, we haven't seen any action.

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We're just we're just hanging out on the beach,

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doing whatever we want singing because we all like opera.

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It was like, do you sing?

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And then just started singing and was like trying to bring him in

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and like hand motions and like, oh, hand motions.

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And he just stood there silently.

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It's very possible that Nick Cage just did that.

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And the actor playing Carlo was I don't I don't know what I don't know

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what we're doing because he just stood there and stared blankly.

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Either way, it's pretty good.

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Carlo also seriously loved Captain Curly.

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I mean, through no like real reasons that we see.

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But like when he gives her when he gives Palme Cruz, the speech is like

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that you love him.

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You think without him, your world would end or whatever.

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That speech is like, oh, you also love this guy enough to die for him.

339
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Yep. Yeah. Was he was he the human shield?

340
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Yeah, that's what I thought. He's the biggest one.

341
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Yeah. The most absorbent.

342
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It's bullet sponge is a term in video games.

343
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Yeah, right. Screw you.

344
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Fuck off. Yeah.

345
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Yeah, I don't know.

346
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I found the whole thing kind of disjointed.

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It was too many stories.

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None of them really fleshed out at all.

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And then there's just like a bunch of people just get murdered.

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Then there's an earthquake and then it's over.

351
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Yeah. I think this movie is it.

352
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I don't feel as negatively about this movie as you do for sure.

353
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But I think that the first two thirds of it are really the only parts

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of the movie that I care for.

355
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Yeah, it could definitely have just been a series of rumps

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around the island and just make it a little more of a comedy.

357
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Yeah, that's weird.

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Having a comedy about an Italian soldier during World War

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two and his prostitutes.

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But it would have been a lot of fun and I would have enjoyed it.

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Parts were fun.

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Little bits and pieces.

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You get that kind of vibe with Mondra's in a way.

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I mean, it doesn't go on a comedic route.

365
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It's a little playful until, you know, and his mom makes fun of his penis.

366
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Yeah. Yeah.

367
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His mom does make fun of his penis.

368
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Let's pitch a different titles for this movie,

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because mine's the kakoldri of Mondra's.

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I didn't come prepared to play your games.

371
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And I don't have a follow up for that.

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I think you just renamed it.

373
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Yeah.

374
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I did think it was a really stupid name for the movie after I saw it was like,

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I want to say I'd be curious to read the book,

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but my only reason for wanting to read the book was would be to confirm

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my bias against the execution of the film adaptation.

378
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Oh, I thought you were going to say confirm your bias against books.

379
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I knew it. These things are bullshit.

380
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OK, I can't remember.

381
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Does John Hurt have a voiceover narration at the beginning of the movie?

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Is it just at the end where they throw that in because they were done with this film?

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No, it doesn't.

384
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No, it's with the media res with the P. All right.

385
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So, yeah. So this movie just at the end is just like,

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and here's John Hurt kind of just hand wiping away the rest of the film.

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We're getting over now.

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But they kind of try that tight in with him writing a note to Captain Correlli

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because she gets a record from Italy of the song he wrote for her.

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But on guitar.

391
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Yeah. Which like, what the fuck?

392
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Well, you have one one job.

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Play a fucking mandolin.

394
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Yeah, the strings are inside his body.

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He couldn't play it.

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I like in the letter he wrote, like, I do not know if you are alive

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or if someone sent your record and like,

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you know, obviously he lived long enough to record a record.

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So probably alive.

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It's an odd film.

401
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And I didn't care that they were together in the end.

402
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It also just doesn't make a lot of sense that they would have been,

403
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especially after that one lady got hung.

404
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Yeah, straight up.

405
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Rung up. Yeah.

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Like just for, you know, the crime of liking a Nazi.

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He was the captain of the Italian battery that was.

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On a military like occupation of their country.

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There's that scene right in the middle where he's like

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saying something about the like the way he feels about her

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leaves him feeling hopeless or something.

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How I felt about the film and that scene.

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But like, and then they just sort of like fuck in the woods.

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And it's like none of this makes any sense that this would ever happen.

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I will say them fucking in the woods at one and a half speed is hilarious.

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I would recommend.

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So that's I had no interest in revisiting this movie, but OK until now.

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I mean, when you said you were going to like one and a half speed,

419
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these films like both these films would be great chipmunked.

420
00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:26,600
Well, it is. Yeah.

421
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I mean, you kind of get that vibe, but it also has sort of that like

422
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old school film vibe where it's like people trying to outrun a train

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or like a building falling and then they're just standing in the doorframe.

424
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So on the matrix of good movie, good cage, bad movie, bad cage, good, bad, bad, good.

426
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Orac, where do you place this movie in this cage?

427
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I thought it was a I thought it was a bad movie and I thought it was bad cage.

428
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And I don't think it was bad cage because of anything he did.

429
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I think just a bad casting choice that like

430
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there are actors who could have played that role.

431
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But a dramatic romance is not Nick Cage.

432
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It just it just did not work for me.

433
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If they had done his role like that, Wally's Wonderland or whatever,

434
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where he just didn't say a word, maybe.

435
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He does all of his speaking through his fingers.

436
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Just yeah. That's that's that's very Italian of him.

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When he was talking about how hopeless he felt and he was like,

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and he he just written that song and played it for on Pandaline.

439
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It's like my hands felt wooden.

440
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This movie sucked.

441
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I'm sorry. This movie sucked.

442
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Yeah, I agree.

443
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That's like Nick Cage is not right for this role.

444
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And or if you want to have this performance,

445
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this needed to be a more lighthearted screwball comedy.

446
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Yeah. Or more about war like that could have worked, too,

447
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because then he could have like been a weird

448
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Italian army captain and like cage out and shoot guns.

449
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And oh, yeah. Like if he went full fascist.

450
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I don't know what you're trying to bait me into here.

451
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I'm not. They're the Italians.

452
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They're part of the axis.

453
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They were. These are.

454
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Facts. So I.

455
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And are you are you denying these things happened?

456
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It's. Are you denying these facts about World War Two?

457
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That's another.

458
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That's another weird thing about this movie is you don't know.

459
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They make everybody into somebody you're trying to root for.

460
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Tip Mondras. Yeah.

461
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Fuck Mondras.

462
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And all he ever did was stood up for his fucking island.

463
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Yeah. And get shot in the ass.

464
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Yeah. And tie his fiance to a chair for no reason.

465
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He is kind of a douche bag.

466
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Yeah. But yeah, he like he they get engaged.

467
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And then at the party, he ties her to a chair and like pranks her.

468
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Yeah. Ties like the back ribbon of her dress around the ladder back of the chair.

469
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He looks so chuffed about it, too.

470
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Yeah. I mean, obviously, it was a pretty good prank.

471
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OK. Not just does some fucking fantastic, like little hops

472
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and skips back before he goes to war the first time he like is a joyful little child.

473
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And then it gets beat the fuck out of him.

474
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Now, the scene where he was introduced,

475
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when he gets shot by a bunch of rocks out of a cannon.

476
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I think the way it's introduced, because there's still all the smoke

477
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from the cannon fire, I thought that was going to be that was Nick Cage.

478
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Just because that's the only part where like somebody's like

479
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seriously screaming in a cage way.

480
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He just like shazam out of that cannon.

481
00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:28,860
Yeah. He was a genie.

482
00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:32,260
It was like like a whole bunch of rocks got fired out of Canada

483
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as like a show of like we're having this party and then there's just like,

484
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Oh, God, it hurts.

485
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I was like, it's a weird way to introduce Nick Cage.

486
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And I don't know how a mandolin is going to come into this.

487
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,960
And then it's Christian Bale.

488
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It's Christian Bale and his bare ass.

489
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The machinist himself.

490
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:50,740
So Nick, what do you think?

491
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I'm not opposed to Nick Cage's performance so much.

492
00:23:55,140 --> 00:23:58,120
You know, it's not the worst thing I've ever seen him do.

493
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It is not a good movie, though.

494
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Maybe maybe like I said, the first two thirds are fine

495
00:24:05,020 --> 00:24:08,500
ish for me if I just leave them as what they are.

496
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But it's not a great movie.

497
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:15,140
Good Nick Cage and I don't know, tepid movie.

498
00:24:15,140 --> 00:24:16,900
You give that good Nick Cage.

499
00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:20,000
Good enough. I mean, again, I don't think and you even said like, you know.

500
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,580
I thought we were rating this on cagey performances.

501
00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:26,080
Yeah, I read it on rules all the time.

502
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,140
Like how I feel.

503
00:24:27,140 --> 00:24:29,740
OK, it wasn't it wasn't the worst thing I've seen him do.

504
00:24:29,780 --> 00:24:31,120
And he was sorry.

505
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:34,260
Oh, no, I think he did what he was hired to do for this film.

506
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,580
I think everyone did.

507
00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:38,260
Which is probably why it felt rare, because I don't think he ever does

508
00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:39,760
what he's hired to do.

509
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,920
He does occasionally have to think about getting another job, though.

510
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,500
Yeah, that's true.

511
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:47,800
Let's talk about snuff films. Yeah.

512
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,800
Adam, why don't you describe the describe your favorite snuff film?

513
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,640
Yeah. Now describe the plot of a millimeter.

514
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,440
Oh, man, I watched this with Ramona and both of us were like

515
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,120
both whose first time either one of us had seen it.

516
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:04,620
And it was like, what the fuck?

517
00:25:04,820 --> 00:25:06,720
How did this get written?

518
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,320
It's especially odd when you think about that.

519
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,520
This is also the director of

520
00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:13,860
what's the vampire film, Teenage Vampires.

521
00:25:14,660 --> 00:25:17,720
Twilight. Now earlier than that, on the boardwalk,

522
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,300
Kiefer Sutherland. Oh, yeah.

523
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:23,200
Lost Boys. Yeah, the same directors Lost Boys.

524
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,680
I think he's like a private investigator.

525
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:29,980
Yes. See. And some woman's looking for her missing daughter

526
00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:31,880
and had been like six years or something.

527
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,940
Sorry if I get some of these details wrong.

528
00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:38,680
And some of the evidence she had was, I mean, a snuff film that her

529
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,560
daughter was in.

530
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,620
And she was like, I can't be real.

531
00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:46,160
And Nick Cage decides to take it on.

532
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,660
And then his wife decides to take it off.

533
00:25:49,660 --> 00:25:52,420
Catherine Keener does not take it off.

534
00:25:52,820 --> 00:25:54,920
Yeah, she really found this performance.

535
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,660
Dude, she's a good actor and she's so.

536
00:25:56,660 --> 00:25:58,940
Yes, it's really bad. She's great.

537
00:25:59,260 --> 00:26:00,400
She's sweet.

538
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,500
She misses you. Yeah.

539
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:06,140
And then he so he just like he's.

540
00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:06,940
Play your wife.

541
00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:09,240
That would make your husband rather stay in L.A.

542
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,940
watching snuff films and come home to you.

543
00:26:11,980 --> 00:26:14,340
Yes. So that was the prompt.

544
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,420
Nick Cage starts trying to investigate this and and finds himself getting deeper

545
00:26:19,420 --> 00:26:22,120
and deeper into the apparent seedy world of snuff films

546
00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:28,260
and looking for what was the name of the character that had the machine?

547
00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:29,220
The machine. Thank you.

548
00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:31,200
Because you said machinists and I started laughing.

549
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,400
I was like, yeah, there's the connective tissue.

550
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,160
And I was going to get I was like, that definitely was not Christian Bale.

551
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,700
Awkward sex scenes also.

552
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:43,840
And then, OK, gross.

553
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,780
And so kind of figures out that that this girl had

554
00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:52,260
had been murdered in a snuff film and starts trying to track down the people

555
00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:55,500
that did it and then decides like, I'm going to find them

556
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:58,760
and I'm going to take retribution into my own hands.

557
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,260
And then just it's it's it's kind of like

558
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,340
I can see how it relates to Captain Kelly's mandolin,

559
00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:08,840
because in the last 20 minutes of the movie, everybody just gets fucking murdered.

560
00:27:09,140 --> 00:27:12,380
Yeah. Like it's just it just becomes a bloodbath when before that, it was like

561
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,820
kind of an interesting concept of a film, I guess. Yep.

562
00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:19,160
So you had most of that.

563
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,900
The that's all I care to remember about it.

564
00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:26,900
He gets the job from the wife of like a deceased rich dude.

565
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:30,440
And she was like, hey, we were she's old.

566
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,680
And she's like, hey, hey, I was going through my husband's things.

567
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,720
And I found this this porn.

568
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,040
You have to watch it and tell me it's fake.

569
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,620
And then he was like, I can't say that it's fake, but I'll look into it.

570
00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:44,920
I'll give you all the. That's right.

571
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,820
I'm sorry. I was thinking of a scene where he calls the girl's mom.

572
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:49,460
Yeah. It's just like.

573
00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:51,500
Tell me I can hurt them.

574
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:53,820
Tell me you want me to hurt them.

575
00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:56,360
That's a weirder way to introduce this whole story

576
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,040
is just like a rich widow in a mansion.

577
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:04,840
Well, it ties in the involvement of the lawyer and all this other stuff.

578
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,380
Yeah. It's also the sleazy lawyer from Kiss of Death.

579
00:28:09,140 --> 00:28:13,980
So what? And Peter Stormare from Windtalkers and.

580
00:28:13,980 --> 00:28:16,460
Rage. Rage.

581
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:17,920
Yes, because he was in a wheelchair in that, right?

582
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,820
Yeah. Well, iron sides.

583
00:28:19,820 --> 00:28:24,900
If Jeremy Irons ever gets into an accident and has to use a wheelchair,

584
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:29,240
I'm going to have the hardest time not calling him Jeremy Ironsides all the time.

585
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,180
Yeah, like I don't ever think or talk about Jeremy Irons.

586
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,800
But if he was in a wheelchair,

587
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,380
I would talk about him a lot for like three weeks.

588
00:28:39,620 --> 00:28:41,120
You think Jeremy Irons is on Twitter?

589
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,420
I'm going to tag him.

590
00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:45,920
Oh, Jeremy Ironsides.

591
00:28:46,420 --> 00:28:50,320
Yeah, we should start like making a bunch of ableist comments towards him now.

592
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,200
Just really taunted for his disability.

593
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,240
His potential future disability.

594
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,100
100 percent.

595
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:01,940
Oh, yeah. Good idea.

596
00:29:01,940 --> 00:29:04,440
All right. I'm here. I want it, guys. Let's do this.

597
00:29:05,140 --> 00:29:09,180
So the thing that made me really hate eight millimeter

598
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:14,540
was that I had never seen it and it was life changing.

599
00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:15,420
It was made.

600
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:19,220
It was made at a time when M. Night Shyamalan was culturally relevant.

601
00:29:19,820 --> 00:29:22,620
And so the whole time you just know

602
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:25,820
that there's going to be a plot twist when it comes to the machine.

603
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,620
And you just know and you know, and then you finally get the the Scooby

604
00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:34,260
Doo like stripping of the mask.

605
00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:38,340
And it's just the guy from True Blood who hadn't been introduced

606
00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:42,840
to at all and is just another dude in the movie now about to be murdered.

607
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:45,740
He had like 20 seconds of screen time.

608
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,320
So disappointing.

609
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,640
He did some body work, though.

610
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,140
Yeah. OK, fine.

611
00:29:51,140 --> 00:29:52,620
He has the soft.

612
00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:53,260
We don't know.

613
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:55,220
Lumpest flesh, though.

614
00:29:55,220 --> 00:29:57,760
But his body like.

615
00:29:58,180 --> 00:29:59,320
Sorry, Chris Bauer.

616
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,060
Just feels so it looks just so full.

617
00:30:04,460 --> 00:30:06,860
And it's like also he's actually a pretty good actor.

618
00:30:06,860 --> 00:30:09,960
So could they just only get him for the one day

619
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,900
because he was working on something else?

620
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:15,740
Because how do you get a good actor like that and just keep him in a mask the whole time?

621
00:30:15,740 --> 00:30:16,340
Yeah.

622
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,400
He has like three lines before he gets shot.

623
00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:22,040
The movie's two hours long. Yep.

624
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,320
And I spent like an hour and 40 minutes, like a hundred minutes

625
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,780
trying to figure out who was going to be

626
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,160
the villain that we've already been watching like.

627
00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:35,620
And it just was nobody.

628
00:30:35,620 --> 00:30:38,560
Oh, I mean, it's rich people, I guess.

629
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,560
Sure. Was that really the message they were trying to send with this movie?

630
00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:44,560
I don't think so.

631
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,500
Rich people are always the problem.

632
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:50,160
Yeah. They got all this fucking good ass porn.

633
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,840
They're not sharing.

634
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,700
Making one of ones not showing me.

635
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:56,280
Also, Joaquin Phoenix is in this movie.

636
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,840
Yeah. Joaquin Phoenix.

637
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,780
As Max California.

638
00:30:59,780 --> 00:31:02,740
Best role in the movie.

639
00:31:02,780 --> 00:31:04,240
He's fucking great.

640
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,240
He's great in this.

641
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,080
Yep. It's got a great death.

642
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Throat slit. Yeah.

643
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,480
On that weird cross. Yep.

644
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,960
Killed by the machine at the will of Dino Velvet.

645
00:31:15,260 --> 00:31:17,300
Oh, my God. So many great names.

646
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:18,260
Oh, OK.

647
00:31:18,260 --> 00:31:23,840
I'm still blown away by the like score in this movie.

648
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,480
It's so off putting all the like really weird, aggressive kind of

649
00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:31,940
it's it's very women music.

650
00:31:31,940 --> 00:31:36,020
Yeah, it feels like racially charged music.

651
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,320
Like this is a movie about terrorism, but it is not.

652
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,180
It not. I mean, like to me, it sounds like the music that

653
00:31:44,220 --> 00:31:46,820
Zack Snyder used for Wonder Woman scenes.

654
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,160
Same vibe. Yeah.

655
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Terrorist. I didn't I didn't pick up on that.

656
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,260
Now I'm I'm.

657
00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:53,740
They have to go back and watch it.

658
00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:56,640
I mean, I I I still have it.

659
00:31:56,660 --> 00:31:57,660
Oh, you got it. I still have it.

660
00:31:57,660 --> 00:31:58,300
Exactly what I'm talking.

661
00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:01,000
I still I still have it rented for another 24 hours.

662
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,580
I could do it. Yeah, dude.

663
00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:05,680
Who doesn't want to watch eight millimeter twice in two days?

664
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,380
I'm taking PCO tomorrow.

665
00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:08,540
I guess so.

666
00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:11,420
You know, instead of instead of doing my subject tank project,

667
00:32:11,420 --> 00:32:13,180
I'm going to watch eight millimeter.

668
00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:16,160
It's going neck deep and shit either way.

669
00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:19,660
Thank you, Sean.

670
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,920
Well, what did you guys think about it for this rewatch?

671
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,860
I still enjoy it.

672
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:28,300
It's a lot of fun for me.

673
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:33,300
I love just how deep and weird this world goes.

674
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,000
So Sean, did you say it's a good movie?

675
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,040
Yeah, it's a good movie.

676
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,280
It's a good movie.

677
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,680
It's an uncomfortable movie, but that doesn't mean it's not good.

678
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,880
I don't think it's a good.

679
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,180
It was a good movie.

680
00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:46,280
It lulled me into a place of security.

681
00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:48,580
And then it's.

682
00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:49,420
I felt good.

683
00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:50,620
I felt good watching it.

684
00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:54,400
Yeah, but that's because like I've heard at least two real stories

685
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,060
of your life where you have just found bags of porn.

686
00:32:57,060 --> 00:33:00,600
So this is kind of, you know, a dream world.

687
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,440
Like, OK, I mean, it's not a comfortable movie to watch.

688
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,340
And it's about a lot of dark shit, but like the performances are good.

689
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:10,180
I don't think anything about it's like actively terrible.

690
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,480
Except for Cage's wife.

691
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,520
Yeah, but she's barely in it.

692
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:16,780
It's like it's not overly.

693
00:33:16,780 --> 00:33:18,780
I mean, it's it's long, but it's not.

694
00:33:18,780 --> 00:33:20,780
I don't think there's a lot of wasted time there.

695
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,580
No, I mean, in general, I agree.

696
00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:25,120
I can't think off the top of my head of like, oh, these three scenes

697
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,320
were totally worthless and could have been cut out entirely.

698
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,460
I mean, sometimes you can really do that with these movies, but.

699
00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:33,060
Everything about the baby could have been cut out.

700
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,340
There's no need for the baby.

701
00:33:34,340 --> 00:33:37,700
I mean, it's the loose risk that Dino Velvet is going to do something

702
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:41,240
to his family, but like, you know, we don't need to know

703
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,540
that his daughter's name is Cinderella.

704
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,340
But we do now.

705
00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:47,780
I assume that was a nickname.

706
00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:51,380
I know. I know you assume that you assume that last time, too.

707
00:33:51,380 --> 00:33:55,540
But why use it in the first time that you address the child?

708
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,280
I don't know.

709
00:33:57,740 --> 00:33:59,680
It only has to be her name.

710
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,460
But I always forget Cinderella by the end of the film

711
00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:03,920
because they forget about you forget about his family immediately.

712
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,260
There was no actual risk to them.

713
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:06,560
Yeah, because she's sweet.

714
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,360
Other than second, she misses you.

715
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,500
I I really just I think that's movie had a lot of potential.

716
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,700
I think the story had a lot of potential.

717
00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:15,740
And I agree with you.

718
00:34:15,740 --> 00:34:18,240
There are some really good performances.

719
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:21,440
It just felt like it was written during a writer's strike.

720
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,480
I don't know. The script felt very June like JV to me.

721
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,580
Like it was it has the feel of like a true

722
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,680
like based on true events kind of movie where it's a lot of just like

723
00:34:32,180 --> 00:34:34,520
matter of factual scenes like this happened, then this happened,

724
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,860
then this happened and says, being like that's a good overly like

725
00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:39,900
that's what's the Ramatize I feel.

726
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:41,760
So it it has kind of those vibes.

727
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,560
And like, I don't have a problem with that.

728
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,600
I think what this would have been better for me is if it had actually been

729
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,980
like an eight to 12 part TV show like The Killing or something like that,

730
00:34:50,980 --> 00:34:53,780
where it's just a murder mystery spread over a long period of time,

731
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:56,740
diving into the weirdo scenes and porn.

732
00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:59,220
You can bounce between different locations in the country

733
00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:01,320
without it feeling so fucking jarring.

734
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,120
You know, I don't know.

735
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,180
I think that would help this to not be a movie

736
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,020
and be something else.

737
00:35:08,020 --> 00:35:11,020
All right. Yeah, I I I can agree with that.

738
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,100
A quick, tidy mini series.

739
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:21,500
And I mean, I was disappointed mostly because I expected there, like

740
00:35:22,340 --> 00:35:26,080
for a film like that to not have kind of a major twist in the third act

741
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,380
was really weird for me.

742
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,980
It ended like Lord of the Flies where it's like and then Nick Cage showed up

743
00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:36,980
and it was over like it just just sort of.

744
00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:38,480
That how Lord of the Flies ended.

745
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,360
It's been a long time since I've read that one.

746
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,660
Do you remember the Lord of the Flies episode of The Simpsons?

747
00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:50,660
No. The way they ended that episode was a narrator came over and was like,

748
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:54,300
and then they were all saved by, I don't know, let's say Mo.

749
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:59,640
And then it's like, OK, so there was.

750
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,000
Yeah, there's not really a big reveal or a big villain.

751
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000
He just finds he just goes down the rabbit hole and finds out

752
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:09,920
who, you know, paid for the tape, which was the lawyer who dies.

753
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,920
And then Peter Stramair, who filmed it, dies and then.

754
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,860
He tracks down Gandolfini, kills him and then goes back to New York

755
00:36:17,860 --> 00:36:18,920
to kill the machine.

756
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,760
So there's not really like a villain other than

757
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,260
just horrible people in the world.

758
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:26,900
And so, and again, it has that kind of vibe of like

759
00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:30,260
more of more of a true crime, like we're based on true events

760
00:36:30,260 --> 00:36:33,060
where you kind of like, hey, we're not really here for a twist.

761
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,940
At least that's what I got out of it.

762
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:37,900
I wish they would have done a better job for the audience

763
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:40,400
setting up that you're getting yourself into more of a drama

764
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:43,800
than like a psychological thriller.

765
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:47,440
Because the whole time I was waiting for the like,

766
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,740
what's going to be the weird thing?

767
00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:53,420
OK, did you have a favorite deviant?

768
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,260
I really like the really tall, skinny like skeleton guy.

769
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,580
He's your favorite, too. Absolutely.

770
00:36:59,580 --> 00:37:02,220
Yeah. With his little like, like garters and stuff.

771
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:03,900
Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, that guy's amazing.

772
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:06,160
Yeah. He really did a good job.

773
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,960
I don't know. I hadn't thought about it that way.

774
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,460
Which purveyor of like sex did you appreciate the most?

775
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,540
Well, I mean, given the mask I'm wearing, I think

776
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,580
say the machine. Yeah.

777
00:37:18,580 --> 00:37:21,840
Yeah. You definitely came in full like machine garb today.

778
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,040
And I appreciate that.

779
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,140
It took me by surprise when you voiced your opinions on the movie. But

780
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,380
I don't know that I don't know that I'm going to answer your question

781
00:37:31,580 --> 00:37:35,080
the way you might be asking it.

782
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,620
Joaquin Phoenix was a really great character for me in this

783
00:37:38,620 --> 00:37:44,100
because I could never quite figure out if he was a good guy or not.

784
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,960
I mean, there there's like a lot of a lot of it.

785
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,600
I was like, he definitely is doing some murdering.

786
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,580
He thinks Max California is like a.

787
00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:56,900
But that's I mean, that's how I had set myself up.

788
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,880
Like as we were moving in through the film, that's I built my expectation

789
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,780
that that somebody was hiding something and like a character

790
00:38:04,780 --> 00:38:08,060
that we were getting to know was really, really hiding something.

791
00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:11,160
So I thought he did.

792
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,200
He was he was my favorite character in the whole movie.

793
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,520
Nick and I have watched it before.

794
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,540
And I remember my first watching assuming Max California was going to kind of.

795
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,200
Be on the wrong side of things at one point, but no, it's just a just a decent

796
00:38:24,340 --> 00:38:26,100
just a decent place. Yeah.

797
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:30,100
Yeah. Nick Cage was really bad at asking after snuff films.

798
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:32,580
He was just like going up to anybody being like, snuff film.

799
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:33,840
You got you got snuff.

800
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:40,120
Yeah. And everybody was like, I'll fucking kill you if you say snuff.

801
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,920
It's like, why don't you just say no, dude?

802
00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:45,760
We don't carry that.

803
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,720
Got real extreme, real fast.

804
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:50,420
Who do you think this place is?

805
00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:53,260
I do. I do like a den of filth.

806
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:57,900
Max California, like a particular snuff.

807
00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:01,500
Here's something that's real dumb, though,

808
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:04,180
because I did not know what I was getting into with this movie.

809
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,280
And I don't know. That's why I wanted you to do it.

810
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,340
I don't know. I don't know.

811
00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:09,840
You're welcome. I don't know anything about handguns.

812
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,120
So I definitely thought this was going to have to do with handguns and not move.

813
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,220
Like, oh, yeah.

814
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:18,860
Different kind of shooting here. Yeah.

815
00:39:18,860 --> 00:39:21,860
And that's the thing now is I don't even know if there's like an eight millimeter

816
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,920
handgun. There might be.

817
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:25,820
I have no idea.

818
00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:27,160
I don't know anything about handguns either.

819
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,160
I don't know anything about handguns.

820
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,400
Just about snuff.

821
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,740
We're looking at you, Nick.

822
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,040
I mean, more popular is the nine millimeter.

823
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,140
I don't think there's an eight millimeter.

824
00:39:42,980 --> 00:39:45,120
What's your cop audience like?

825
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,420
I would guess our cop audience is very low.

826
00:39:48,020 --> 00:39:51,260
Hey, if anybody out there is a cop, you got to drop down in the comments

827
00:39:51,260 --> 00:39:52,620
and tell us.

828
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:54,320
You trap us in part by law.

829
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,860
Yeah. One comment per cop, please.

830
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,620
Yeah, I I had it orderly.

831
00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:02,700
I had a drop a mustache emoji in the comments.

832
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,740
I had I had no clue what I was getting into with this movie.

833
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,680
I I kind of remember when it came out.

834
00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:12,440
And actually, I had I think it came out around

835
00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:16,780
same year, maybe, or thereabouts of a snake eyes.

836
00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:19,540
Yeah, it's a snake eyes is 98 and this is 99.

837
00:40:19,540 --> 00:40:21,520
Yeah. And I had seen snake eyes in the theater.

838
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,280
And that's the only time I've seen snake eyes.

839
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,520
But I actually couldn't remember.

840
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,920
And I mean, I thought I might be watching that again.

841
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,420
So it was a very it was like a total like I did the same thing

842
00:40:31,420 --> 00:40:32,300
the first time around.

843
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:35,540
And then and then I was watching with my wife, who is.

844
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,900
An appropriate level of discomfort with snuff.

845
00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:44,680
What a square.

846
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,580
Can you define that for me?

847
00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:51,320
So I know where I stand in this.

848
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,920
Nick wouldn't want to say anything rude or untoward about this.

849
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,920
So I'm not going to say anything rude.

850
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,920
They don't want to say anything rude about this.

851
00:40:58,940 --> 00:40:59,940
Yeah.

852
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,320
Before I get into my Bailey's morgue file.

853
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:10,240
She's she's teaching herself watercolors.

854
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,520
So she's like painting my family farm and watercolor

855
00:41:14,260 --> 00:41:16,460
while we're watching this movie together.

856
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,980
The whole experience was weird, guys.

857
00:41:18,980 --> 00:41:23,860
Watercolors are a wildly inefficient way to paint a farmhouse.

858
00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:25,060
gonna get good coverage.

859
00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:27,060
You're an idiot.

860
00:41:28,060 --> 00:41:37,860
Well, I had one thing, one request, Nick, for this because this came out in 99 and we were talking earlier this week about how movies of this era had wraps.

861
00:41:38,860 --> 00:41:40,860
Want you to freestyle a little rap about eight millimeter.

862
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,360
Yeah, if you're dome.

863
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:42,660
Yeah.

864
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,560
Wait, you freestyle?

865
00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:47,060
I've known you for years.

866
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:48,460
This is fucking fire dog.

867
00:41:48,460 --> 00:41:52,060
Is I thought you were learning to bake during COVID you free freestyling.

868
00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:58,360
You threw you threw a bag of bread at me over my fence because we couldn't get near each other in 2020.

869
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,560
I'm not going to pursue this.

870
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,560
That's fair.

871
00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:05,960
Just like, you know, most things I take up in life.

872
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,760
I will continue to pursue them.

873
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,260
No, I'm not.

874
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:11,460
I'm not freestyle rapping.

875
00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:12,960
Okay, very disappointing.

876
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:15,060
What did I?

877
00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:17,260
That's the most I could have hoped for out of that bit.

878
00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:19,760
Why am I using why am I using PTO tomorrow?

879
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,060
Then I came over here.

880
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:24,360
The promise that I was going to I was going to get us a wrap.

881
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,360
So Sparkle buddy.

882
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:31,960
I know I need a cool down period after I watch eight millimeter because it's hard to get back into my work pants.

883
00:42:32,860 --> 00:42:34,160
The front's real tight.

884
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:36,060
So I got to take a day.

885
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:49,060
I will say I watched this on Thursday and I actually fell asleep and I fell asleep with about 25 minutes to go.

886
00:42:49,060 --> 00:42:55,160
And I woke up right at the end and Romano was like, you're going to have to go back.

887
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,260
There was no reveal.

888
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,560
Everything we find out.

889
00:42:58,660 --> 00:43:00,160
We find out who did it.

890
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,360
We know who the machine is.

891
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,560
And so I go back and then I watch it and I was like, so the machine is just some dude.

892
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,260
She was like, I know it's so dumb.

893
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,860
She liked the machine was the old lady.

894
00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:16,860
She did such a great job of building me up to thinking like, oh, shit, I can't believe I fell asleep.

895
00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:17,760
I gotta go back.

896
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,960
And it sucks.

897
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,060
It's all going to come around the whole time.

898
00:43:22,060 --> 00:43:25,060
We're going to tie this up into a nice, tidy little package.

899
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,060
The real villain, I guess, was the lawyer, which I could have told you.

900
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,460
Yeah, lawyers are bad.

901
00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:30,960
Yeah.

902
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,460
Cop adjacent.

903
00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:32,960
Yep.

904
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:41,960
So on the spectrum of good movie, good cage, bad, good, good, bad, bad, bad, bad, good, good, bad, bad, good, bad.

905
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:42,560
Where do you put this?

906
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,060
Even though I didn't like it.

907
00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:46,860
I'm going good.

908
00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:47,360
Good.

909
00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:49,260
Like it.

910
00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:51,860
I don't want to really watch it again, but.

911
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,060
I misunderstood what it was supposed to be.

912
00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:57,660
And I also kind of go went in thinking it was snake eyes.

913
00:43:59,260 --> 00:43:59,860
That one.

914
00:43:59,860 --> 00:44:00,760
That one's on me.

915
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,060
I take responsibility.

916
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,960
How did you think this was a G.H.L. movie?

917
00:44:07,060 --> 00:44:10,360
I think for me, I don't like this movie that much, but I agree.

918
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,760
I liked it more this watch than I did the movie.

919
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,060
I agree. I liked it more this watch than I did the first time.

920
00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:23,960
So I will say good, good, because I do think cage does a good job, even though he's really not that cagey in a major way.

921
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,560
It's just it's a better performance than Corelli's.

922
00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:29,060
And a better movie.

923
00:44:29,860 --> 00:44:30,860
That is also true.

924
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,260
And weirdly more mandolin.

925
00:44:35,260 --> 00:44:36,360
And they fuck this one.

926
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:36,860
Yeah.

927
00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:39,660
I'm still very positive on this movie.

928
00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:40,460
I like it.

929
00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:41,560
I'm still good.

930
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,060
Good.

931
00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:52,860
I think the things that I dislike the most about it are all wrapped up in the wife and like his relationship, like him gaslighting her in the beginning, being like smoking.

932
00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:53,860
I'm not smoking.

933
00:44:53,860 --> 00:44:55,360
You're you're crazy.

934
00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:58,260
It's like that didn't have to be none of that plays out.

935
00:44:58,260 --> 00:45:03,160
Nobody cared about your relationship with anything other than porn.

936
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:04,960
What was like?

937
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:12,160
Is there an explanation for why there was a weird and unnecessary focus on cigarettes in this movie?

938
00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:13,660
Oral fixation.

939
00:45:14,460 --> 00:45:15,160
Oh, yes.

940
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,660
Sucking and fucking buddy.

941
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Don't forget chucking rocks.

942
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,660
So sucking and fucking and chucking rocks and.

943
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,260
Asked as hello, Trent.

944
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:27,760
Fucking dildos.

945
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,160
No, I I think this is a good movie and I think it's a great performance.

946
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,560
Great performances all around.

947
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,360
I mean, it's not something I would normally seek out in terms of like my normal movie watching experience.

948
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:48,260
But it's one of those ones that I'm like, I don't know what I expected from this going in, but it's like this is just good all around.

949
00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:52,560
All right, Orick, which one would you put forward knowing that your opinion matters?

950
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,360
Nothing to us.

951
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,060
I mean, probably snake eyes.

952
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:57,860
We already eliminated that.

953
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,860
Yeah, what it's Nick has loose to.

954
00:46:01,660 --> 00:46:03,560
It's not too late for you to vote for primal.

955
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,460
You can still amend your mistakes from the past.

956
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:06,960
You know what?

957
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:13,660
Having to watch these two movies this week, I agree that I probably should have put forward primal because now I've seen these.

958
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,260
I mean, you would have still seen these.

959
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:17,160
If you put forward primal.

960
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:31,860
I mean, to me, it's it's clear like the only choice is eight millimeter Captain Carly's mandolin is just the only redeeming qualities as they I don't know got John Hurt to be in it.

961
00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:37,960
I mean, my vote is definitely eight millimeter as I don't I don't hate Kareli.

962
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:43,760
Like from what I heard about the movie before watching it, I expected Kareli to be absolute dog shit.

963
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,960
And I'm like, it's not great, but it's not like it's not so bad that it's like funny.

964
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,060
It's just there and it's fine.

965
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:53,160
But eight millimeter is a very strong movie.

966
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:58,060
Strong performances, great directing overall, just a good movie.

967
00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:07,560
Keep in mind, Sean, that I don't have the like scar tissue that you all have built up for having watched this number of Nick Cage movie.

968
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,560
It's a lot. It's a high volume of Nick Cage.

969
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,960
So I can see where you'd be like Captain Carly's mandolin.

970
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:24,560
There's some redeeming qualities where like, man, if you're not as invested as Nick Cage's or into Nick Cage as you are, it's it's pretty on good.

971
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:31,260
I mean, the second episode being Army of One really ripped that bandaid right the fuck.

972
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:33,560
It's tough when you meet perfection.

973
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,960
So early in the process, that one is one that every time we go back to I'm just like listening.

974
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:46,860
I like it more listening to you guys talk about Army of One and the the Rapture movie that he did.

975
00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:50,560
And there's a and there's a 9-11 one in there, too.

976
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:57,060
That is like allegedly exactly just like how now even the movie is a conspiracy.

977
00:47:57,060 --> 00:47:58,760
It's like I don't even know about that soon enough.

978
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,660
Our episode won't even have existed.

979
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:06,760
You need to delete the episode like out of all platforms.

980
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,660
I'm very much an eight millimeter guy in this.

981
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:16,860
I think when Carreles did something well, it did it well, like it had some cuteness to it.

982
00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:19,660
It had some interesting characters.

983
00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:24,460
It it managed to like keep me kind of watching it the whole time.

984
00:48:24,460 --> 00:48:31,960
But I don't think it really ever sold me on being worth my time.

985
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:37,160
While eight millimeter, I'm just very much into and interested.

986
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,360
I like it. And to your audience, I'll say just very personally,

987
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,660
just from me having been on a number of guys weekends with a lot of people

988
00:48:46,660 --> 00:48:50,460
and including the members of production team of this podcast,

989
00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:53,360
I will confirm next point that he's an eight millimeter guy.

990
00:48:58,460 --> 00:49:00,460
That's so small.

991
00:49:02,060 --> 00:49:04,460
It's like just a little mushroom.

992
00:49:04,460 --> 00:49:07,760
There's a little button sticking out of Bush.

993
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,260
Manderas's mom's gonna make fun of it.

994
00:49:09,260 --> 00:49:10,260
That's true.

995
00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:14,860
Just a mushroom nestled between two boulders.

996
00:49:14,860 --> 00:49:16,060
Just poking out.

997
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,360
So there we go.

998
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,760
Eight millimeter millimeter.

999
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,960
What do we got up on the docket next time?

1000
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:27,460
We'll get ready for next time because it's your birthday and we want you to have fun.

1001
00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:29,260
It's your birthday.

1002
00:49:29,260 --> 00:49:30,860
And we're killing everyone.

1003
00:49:30,860 --> 00:49:32,160
Yeah, that's how it goes.

1004
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,960
It's a Willie's Wonderland and Wild at Heart going up next.

1005
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,560
Two vastly different Nick Cage performances.

1006
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,160
Totally.

1007
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:41,860
Willie's Wonder.

1008
00:49:41,860 --> 00:49:42,360
What did I?

1009
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,960
I said like Wally's World earlier.

1010
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,160
That's that's from the original vacation.

1011
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,160
Yeah, that's right.

1012
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,460
Willie's Wonderland is what I meant.

1013
00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:51,960
We'll just cut that in clean.

1014
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,560
Yeah, I'm not doing shit.

1015
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,960
Anyway, thank you all for listening.

1016
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,460
We are on social media Cage underscore match underscore pod or cage match pod.

1017
00:50:00,460 --> 00:50:05,760
You can support us on Patreon and if you want to you can join and be a Sparkle buddy like Josh,

1018
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,460
Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt and Adam and Bill almost forgot that one.

1019
00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:12,160
Bill and you can join us on Patreon.

1020
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:17,760
And the next year up is the cage dancers, Ira, John Freeman, Lance and Nathan.

1021
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,560
Thank you all for your support.

1022
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,960
Thanks for having me back guys.

1023
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,660
Oh, yeah, dude.

1024
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:22,560
Thanks for coming.

1025
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,160
You want to promote anything snuff?

1026
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,860
Well, I don't know where you can find me.

1027
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:31,860
Just flash your lights at any truck stop.

1028
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:34,060
And Adam, I just pop up.

1029
00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:38,360
I got a couple consultation opportunities popping up.

1030
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,760
One of them might be in Ireland.

1031
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:40,360
I don't know.

1032
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,460
Whoo.

1033
00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:42,660
Hey, we'll see you in Ireland.

1034
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:52,460
Yeah, it was nice having you as a friend, but I think borders are going to be where I draw the line.

1035
00:50:52,460 --> 00:50:54,760
I'm not moving.

1036
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,460
Bye bye.

1037
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,160
Bye bye.

1038
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,760
I think it turned out pretty well.

1039
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:07,460
Yeah, I think so.

1040
00:51:07,460 --> 00:51:10,360
We still have to mint Gooncoin though.

1041
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,960
Just make it out of just draw it on cardboard.

1042
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,460
We'll just get a hole punch in the sprite box.

1043
00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:19,060
Now, squirt box.

1044
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:19,960
Of course.

1045
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,560
Yeah, they still make squirt.

1046
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,260
Yeah. Oh, yeah, they still have squirt.

1047
00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:24,360
You can't get rid of squirt.

1048
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,560
Can't keep squirt down.

1049
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:32,060
The country of Mexico would revolt if you tried to take away squirt.

1050
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:33,960
That's what that looks like.

1051
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,360
The microphone looks like a microphone.

1052
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,960
Sure does.

1053
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,360
It's a foam hat.

1054
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,760
I could definitely get all that in my mouth.

1055
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:42,460
Oh, yeah.

1056
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:52,060
It's weird when you like get close to it and you like kind of stare at it and then your eyes kind of cross and you're like, should I put it in my mouth?

1057
00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:59,060
No.

1058
00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:01,260
Yeah, this is one of those ASMR podcasts.

1059
00:52:01,260 --> 00:52:02,860
My loosely shaved chin.

1060
00:52:02,860 --> 00:52:04,560
Yeah.

1061
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,160
People are definitely going to masturbate to this episode.

1062
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,060
Absolutely welcome for that.

1063
00:52:08,060 --> 00:52:08,760
I've got to try.

1064
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,060
People already masturbate to this.

1065
00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:13,860
Absolutely.

1066
00:52:13,860 --> 00:52:14,460
I don't know.

1067
00:52:14,460 --> 00:52:19,860
OK, so this is my first male dog and I've never had a dog that I've had to get fixed.

1068
00:52:19,860 --> 00:52:24,460
But did they clean up down there?

1069
00:52:24,460 --> 00:52:26,060
What do you mean?

1070
00:52:26,060 --> 00:52:28,960
Like when they remove the stuff because.

1071
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,560
Do they just leave like a loose sack?

1072
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:37,460
Well, because that's what Brian was saying, like they didn't do a great job with at his dogs,

1073
00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:42,160
neutering and he's like, they just kind of left stuff.

1074
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:42,860
That's repulsive.

1075
00:52:42,860 --> 00:52:47,660
I mean, if you go to a good vet now.

1076
00:52:47,660 --> 00:52:50,960
OK, you're coming in at a good time.

1077
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,060
Yeah, that's repulsive.

1078
00:52:53,060 --> 00:52:54,560
Or it is here.

1079
00:52:54,560 --> 00:53:01,560
And then we're talking about dog ballsack, so we're not too far off.