Oh, God. Oh, my God.
All right. Well, fuck. Yeah.
Thanks for joining us, Chris.
Yeah. Thanks for asking me to.
Yeah, I've been enjoying our conversation on Twitter about
Schrader and all sorts of other fun things.
Yeah. All Schrader.
Paul Schrader is great. I don't I do not understand
the straighter hate dying of the light.
Some of his OK, that doesn't count because that was taken from him.
That's not the movie he was intending to make. He boycotted it.
But even even if he made it, even if that was the movie
wanted to make and it was bad, he still did cat people,
which is enough to no matter what happens after that.
He's good. And he also wrote, I believe, Obsession.
I think that was the I got a movie he wrote.
I got to agree with you.
Cat people fucking rules.
I watched that the other day.
I like never have time to watch an extra movie and I crammed this one
in on your recommendation.
Very fun.
It didn't convert me on Schrader, but man, what a fucking blast.
That movie is. You're fired.
What is cat people at people?
Yeah. So it's a remake of,
I believe, a 1942 Valued in horror movie.
So this was made mid 80s.
Malcolm Macdowell's in it. John heard a nettle tool.
And basically.
There's these people and they turn into cats
and when they turn into cats, they turn into, I believe, black leopards
and they kill.
And the only way to stop the transformation is to have sex with their sibling.
OK, I'm sold. Let's go watch this movie right now.
It's so good.
It's so like 80s goofy, but fantastic.
I don't know. I loved it.
I'm interested in the science behind sibling sex.
Are they twins?
You had me at sibling sex.
Is that your favorite type of adult documentary?
I mean, there were multiple times where I was just like,
this is so fucking dumb, but I had a good time.
So we can have so fucking dumb this week.
Yeah, actually, go ahead and bring us in, Sean.
Welcome back to Cage Match, colon, a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage.
I'm your host, Sean, here with my cohost Nick and our producer.
Peter, hello.
We have our special guest, Chris Coffel here today.
Why don't you tell the people what it is you do?
Also, do we get your name right?
Coffel is coffee.
Technically, Coffel sounds nicer, I think.
So, yeah, I guess I guess I occasionally write mostly at film school rejects
for probably the last eight years or so.
For the last few years, mostly just in October,
horrors my favorite genre.
So every year at film school rejects, we do a big
31 days of horror lists or every day in October.
We have a new list of 10 horror movies.
We've been doing it for a long time now.
So it started out, you know, like best vampire movie, best werewolf movie.
But now it's very like specific.
You know, it's a best movie.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, last year was erotic.
It was one of the categories and cat people did make the list.
Fantastic.
Yeah. And then I previously had a Nick Cage column.
I wrote at film school rejects for two years, I think,
and a couple other random columns.
And then occasionally I pop up at other places.
It's been a while, but if you dig deep,
I've done a bunch of stuff, a bloody disgusting as well
and have recently started doing some stuff at
Amicus Horror to the new site.
But mostly I play Rocket League.
So that's where you can find me.
Nice. Nick and I are on that hell.
Hell Divers to train right now.
Sorry, I didn't mean to make noise with that.
Oh, no, it's fine. Now it was buzzing for a second.
Yeah. Nick's got big money on the line with the basketball game
going on right now. So
I hope you put your money on.
I'm I'm with Purdue.
So if we start and say I'm not with Purdue, I'm Yukon.
Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah.
No, I'm switching over. Last minute.
No, I'm not.
I changed the bracket. It's fine.
Yeah. What if you could just primal wins?
God damn it. Yeah.
Oh, OK. Yeah. I do want to talk about primal.
Well, let me finish my segue from five minutes ago.
Yeah, speaking of a speaking of dumb, speaking of dumb movies.
This week, we have Conair and Ghost Rider to Spirit of Vengeance.
Yeah, those aren't dumb movies.
No, those are serious movies.
We're in the action category.
These are movies to base your entire personality on.
You're not wrong. Yeah.
We will get into why.
Yeah. So, Chris, I mean, you you're obviously kind of like
a an Internet go to person in terms of cage stuff.
So like what got you started?
How why do you love Nick Cage so much?
So I grew up in the 90s.
So Cage was always kind of a, you know, unknown quantity, a big deal.
Raising Arizona is probably the first movie I knew him from.
But when I became like I really got into cage,
this is weird because I was think I was probably 11.
And we went and seen face offs.
My family would go to the drive in pretty regularly.
And I wanted to go see Batman and Robin.
My parents wanted to see face off.
They opened up on the same day.
A face off went out, which I was adamant I did not want to see.
But then I loved it.
And therefore, I was like, your parents are not monsters.
I don't know.
Batman and Robin is also a sick movie.
I have these awful.
Oh, just like it's the only movie I've never watched to completion.
It's not terrible.
That's Batman edging.
Yeah, it's a great movie.
You just sit down, start drinking.
The movie is going to go through.
You're going to have a great time.
I missed my 20 year window to enjoy that movie then.
You can figure it out.
Is that the Mr. Freeze one? Yeah.
Oh, boy. All right. Good.
Everybody.
I still meet you.
See, you even remember quotes from it.
I don't even know that's a quote from it.
It probably is.
Yes, it is.
It is. I always turn that movie off at the same place.
And that's when the Bat Amics card comes out.
Oh,
what a great film.
We're now a Batman and Robin podcast.
Yeah, we're pivoting. Chris, this is your time.
Welcome to the batting cage.
Oh, no.
Sorry, it's nipples on the bat suit just because I still own that URL.
That's Batman forever.
It carries over.
They're not sure.
That's true. They are both to market that.
I'm actually pretty good.
That's kind of a bit of a Renaissance.
I do like that film a lot like Val Kilmer underrated Batman.
I agree. Yeah.
Christian Bale. Worst Batman.
I do not like Christian Bale's Batman at all.
He was great in Captain Crowley's mandolin.
And I think that's the best Batman.
I think that's the best Batman.
Mondraus is Batman.
Oh, fuck, yeah.
You just get shot in the ass.
All right.
What are we talking about?
This is a this is a Nicolas Cage podcast where we've taken 64
Nicolas Cage movies and bracketed them till Nick and I decide what
ultimately is the best Nick Cage movie as decided by two idiots that are us.
You you kind of were a progenitor of the March Madness Nick Cage thing.
So I want to talk about that just a little bit.
What was your idea behind that?
How did you pick your 16?
And why are you smarter than us for only doing 16?
So I did 16 once, so it would just be shorter, obviously.
I recall I have to go back and look.
I think I picked the 16 that were the highest rated on IMDb,
which is a dumb way to choose things.
Anything that aggregates scores anywhere is mostly stupid.
But that's how I chose the 16.
So it wouldn't be just completely me picking my favorite 16.
There would be something interesting behind it.
And I I think Raising Arizona won my bracket, if I remember.
But I got to pull it up and see. Yeah.
I was surprised to see if it was just the top 16 in your list.
I was surprised to see that Bad Lieutenant was one of his 16 best films
circa 2018.
And I know that you like that movie.
And I'm not saying that's wrong.
But why?
I still haven't found anybody to explain why that movie is likeable.
I'm not saying it's wrong.
I'm just saying you're not invited to my birthday party.
If it's Bad Lieutenant themed, I don't need to be there.
But it's got iguanas.
Yeah.
But a sober guy throwing a drug addled birthday party sounds terrible.
I mean, it's it's you have
Verner Herzog and Nicolas Cage, and that's just it's just
the right amount of madness for it to work.
I guess I'm not surprised that you're not a fan
because I was I was shocked that you guys were so low on bringing out the dead.
I don't know how.
No, no, we love that movie.
Yeah, the movie is really, really good.
But the reasoning behind why we we kicked it is.
Valid. Yeah, valid and specific about mostly Schrader, but.
Which we've established already is incorrect.
And also Joe, Joe's a fucking great.
Joe's a great movie.
We're going to fight this whole time.
Yeah, people were never going to talk about Conair or Ghost Rider.
No, it's happened before.
Primal. I love Primal.
Have you seen Primal?
I have seen Primal.
I love that line.
They talked about what does he shouts the line he shouts about like
meeting his cat, Jack.
Primal's fun.
See, it's fun.
I said I told you I'd rewatch it.
Yeah, I know.
I just have to keep telling you how great it is until you do.
Great. It's a terrific film.
It's easily top five.
Oh, you are wrong there.
I didn't say of what fair.
But what do you guys want to start with?
Ghost Rider, Spirit of Vengeance.
I could Vengeance.
So the not so direct sequel to the original Ghost Rider
where Johnny Blaze has to save Danny, the son of the devil.
Would you say that it's the spiritual sequel?
Ah, I'll leave now.
Yeah, that's your best joke
of this whole podcast
from becoming the new incarnation of the devil
all the while avoiding Blackout, who is the villain.
Kind of a shitty villain.
Better than the boy band from the first movie.
The elemental boy band. Yeah.
So are the special effects, the action and general just demeanor of the film.
I like this movie a lot.
This movie is a romp.
Yeah, it's certainly a more enjoyable version of the film
than the original Ghost Rider.
I was glad to see that jelly beans got replaced with pills.
Always nice to do that.
And not even like pills you just play around with,
but like some pretty good muscle relaxers and painkillers.
Oh, I'm sure, you know, probably sore from having all this flesh burned off nightly.
He drank. He had a drink of that wine.
Yeah, would be nice on a salad.
But that's old, old wine for you.
We have Idris Elba giving us a very wide
French accent. Mm hmm.
Mm hmm. It goes places rarely goes to the same place twice.
Well, yeah, that sounds like him in Conair, though.
Nicholas Cage. Yeah. Yeah.
I was going to talk about that.
That dances around to.
Yeah, the Idris Elba one.
It definitely doesn't start French like until they mention that he's French.
I never hear a French accent until like it's halfway to the movie
because initially he's just Idris Elba.
He's got like a little bit of generic European.
It's like this could be any kind of region in like southern Europe.
Yeah, I think the only thing that makes him French is he's kind of like, oh,
that's it.
I would have killed for a whole whole whole.
Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh.
Is this one in a whole whole?
It is so old.
What was up with his contact lenses?
I don't know. I was going to ask why yellow eyes.
Well, he drinks a lot.
I think it's cat people.
It must be cat people reasons.
It could be cat people.
He's a werecat.
Yeah, I mean, I have to go have sex with his brother.
So, Chris, what was your interaction with this movie?
I feel like you've probably seen every cage movie, but.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm a big fan of Ghost Rider, Spirit of Vengeance.
It's it's such a step up from the first movie in every way.
And I like that.
Yes, it's a sequel, but it assumes you haven't seen Ghost Rider
with the opening where he completely explains who Ghost Rider is
and how he became Ghost Rider.
So it kind of works as a reboot.
I'm also a fan of Neville Dean and Taylor,
the directing combo that did the movie.
So once they were working with cage and being a fan of the crank movies,
I was all for this.
And initially, it was supposed to be part of the Marvel Nights series,
which were supposed to be darker, more adult oriented comic book movies.
They did Punisher Warzone.
And I thought this was going to be.
Yeah, Punisher Warzone is fantastic.
And so this was supposed to be similar to that.
It was supposed to be R.
It was supposed to have plenty of gore and Sony kind of got cold feet.
They changed a lot of the script and they cut the budget in half,
which I think kind of shows, which is weird because the CGI
special effects are better than the first movie, but they're still.
They're still not great.
But there's some great set pieces and it's very magnetic,
has lots of manic energy.
And the two the two car chase scenes, it opens with the car chase
and ends with the car chase.
And they're both real cars, practical effects,
for the most part, with the car stuff.
Fantastic. I've been a fan, even though I think the movie doesn't
never got to be what it should have been.
But it's still great.
I think it is a lot of great stuff, and I will always appreciate
taking a character like that and like for your final set piece, like
now we're going to set it during the day so you can see all the action.
None of that fucking Pacific Rim bullshit where it's like,
here's the big monster fight at night underwater.
You can't see shit.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love day action scenes.
Like you don't have enough of them.
And this this this movie, I mean, almost all this movie takes place
during the day.
The one scene where he gets shot with like that rocket launcher
thing that's at night.
But for the most part, it's it's all day.
And I think they I think Neville Dean Taylor did a good job
kind of covering up where they didn't have the budget.
They do all these interesting cutaways where they have these scenes
where it cuts to work.
Everything else is black.
And you just see the action taking place on a black background.
It's like somebody somebody else
for play discussing just wrote about Ghost Rider today and they compared
it's like Mortal Kombat, fatality cut scenes.
And that's what it feels like.
OK, I can say that.
Yeah. Yeah.
I could tell that they had cut some of the budget down
in like the lack of transformations.
It was I'm going to kneel down.
I'm the ghost rider.
I'm going to kneel down.
I'm Nicolas Cage.
You didn't have a much in the way of like,
you know, American werewolf like changing or anything like that.
He snorts fire one time out of his nostrils, but he does.
He does that one where he's like turning the cage up to 11 on the motorcycle
and like there's kind of superimposing like bits of a skull
and stretching it over his face.
It doesn't have the wow factor of the transformation in the original film.
Yeah, those aren't like transformations, though.
That's not like, I don't know, face melting, head burning.
I know that's I'm just saying that's the closest we get.
Yeah.
One of the effects that I thought was really fucking nice, though, was
because it was so shot in the daytime, you see the flame
and like that black smoke that's coming off of it.
You just never got in Ghost Rider one because it's just sort of this
like magic spirit flame.
That's like, no, it's like a gross, gnarly ass flame.
He looks like he smells bad.
Yeah, for real.
Well, he does.
He has a cycle where he has all the face stuff.
That's more like, yes, there's obviously some special effects there,
but that's a lot of like cage making weird faces
and then just like slightly altering it.
Kind of like he feels like he's channeling that.
He talks about being a fan of like German expressionism and like surrealism.
And that's what that scene feels like to me.
And I might be misquoting or misremembering,
but I spoke to Brian Taylor about this movie years ago
and because I had made, which I shared with you, Peter, a little video.
Right. Like I edited that scene in black and white
and made it put like old silent film music over it.
I'm pretty sure.
And everything. Yeah.
They kicked around the idea of doing parts of the movie in black and white,
black and white and removing CGI altogether.
So still having him like in the costume he would wear for the CGI.
But then it just be like cage facial expressions.
But Sony was not into that idea.
They're cowards, man.
They fuck. They are cowards.
Well, I mean, did this this came out after Warzone Punisher Wars on,
I'm assuming that's why I got scared because I know Punisher Wars
on did not do well, like it did not get a wide release.
I wanted to see in theaters and I didn't really get a chance to when it came out.
I think it's like three years after Wars.
OK, because, yeah, those are the two movies that came out under that title.
Right. Under that banner.
It's kind of crazy that they only had the two,
but I guess they were going through a lot of change at that point.
Yes. So it's always been kind of.
Yeah.
If he on not as bad as Fox.
It didn't help that like the Dark Knight took off and then,
you know, the Avengers was right around the corner.
So comic book films became more serious, I guess,
not fun, silly like they were in the the 90s.
Then I'm those kind of getting back to that maybe a little bit.
That's like closer. That's more in line, I think, with the two Venom movies
are more in line with this ghostwriter.
Yeah. Yeah, they definitely feel like they're
they definitely feel more
in line with the serious or the humorous take on the character.
Well, I remember I was a big fan of ghostwriter comics at this time,
and I always loved the Johnny Blaze is a fucking moron like character.
Like he was a carny. He grew up in a carnival.
He knows that he knows how to fix and ride motorcycles, doesn't know anything else.
So he's just a really dumb superhero who's just way too powerful.
And most of the trouble he gets in is his own fucking fault
for just sticking his head where sticking his nose where it shouldn't be.
So I always liked I was like a big dumb hero.
Good him.
Yeah, exactly.
And like only him, though,
a pure like Ghost Rider, you don't really need a big
buff like superhero body.
You just need a guy who you can put a skull on, who can like
move at a moderate pace.
You need to look good in a leather jacket.
They should get in the leather jacket.
That's it.
And also just show up to set with your face painted like a voodoo skull
and not telling anyone you're going to do it.
I love that.
Thank you, man, so much.
What a fucking weirdo. I love him.
He's fantastic.
OK, one of the one of the things that I hate about this movie
and it's probably the only thing I hate about this movie.
The writing is really fucking dumb.
Like what writing exists is really stupid.
It's pretty simple.
It's meant to get us to the set pieces.
Yeah, and it tries to make every line like a kind of clever one
liner action hero note.
And it kind of leans into like every everything that said needs to be funny.
I mean, sometimes it kind of is.
Did like the singular callback from what I felt
in this movie to the original was when
Ghost Rider knocks that guy down and like they run over him
and he just kind of turns the camera and says, Roadkill.
So good. I did like that.
Very comic book.
Yeah. Oh, is that the only line that Ghost Rider says that wasn't him
like repeating?
He also says, Hungry.
Oh, that's right. Yep.
Need to say hungry.
I will say the penitent stare in this one doesn't carry the same weight
as the first movie. It does not.
And that needed a little something connecting their like little faces
or mouths or would not have turned on Rebel Wilson.
Something on the eyes.
Yeah.
My favorite line of dumb dialogue in this movie is
when the devil at work, he
talks to the kid, Danny, on the phone.
And the kid then like screams and like passes out.
And he basically tells Blackout,
he says, Think of him as sort of a computer.
You know, computers, right?
When this movie is 2011, of course, he knows what the computer is.
This isn't just been a movie in the mid 80s and find that line.
I get it. But so weird.
Not a place.
I had a place.
You know, it's just strange.
My biggest issue with this film is
Chekhov's flaming pee,
because we see the idea of him using his pee as a flamethrower.
We never see him use it on anybody.
That would have been a great weapon.
He was very poorly hydrated.
I didn't see him drink water once during this.
Oh, no, he has the pitcher of water.
Yeah. Oh, that's a whole picture.
That down. Yeah. So
that scene with Danny in the diner where he just touches him for no reason.
It's like, I thought I saw a bee on your head.
I thought it was going to sting your face.
Danny gets really attached to him really quick for reasons I don't understand.
I mean, you saw the flamethrower.
Daddy. That's true.
But he doesn't he doesn't see it, right?
It's just in his head.
Just doesn't cut it all in his brain.
He imagines it, I guess.
He's got a good imagination.
He's a kid who has no dad.
Yeah. Just think about stuff.
Yeah. And like you said,
Johnny's cooler than most of the guys that his mom hangs out with.
So that that's legitimately fair.
Ghost Rider would be cool.
Cooler stepdad.
This comes after he tried to kill them, too.
So that's true.
I do like the moms
when she's rescuing Danny and that guy comes in and she throws the knife
at the guy and the guy catches like, what are you going to do?
And then she pulls the gun on him.
Yeah. Oh, no, I know.
They allude to her connection with like an arms dealer or whatever
early in the movie.
But my my gripe or my concern with this movie is when she
just somehow becomes like a competent sniper.
Like why? She's good.
Yeah. I mean, she did have to do it.
She missed. That's true.
She's a good one. Block.
I miss the the Ghost Rider point, though.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
From the first one.
Yeah, the weird bony boy.
I love a bony boy.
I will say probably in terms of a theatrical released film,
the best Chris Lambert performance ever.
It almost it felt really wasted having Christopher Lambert in that role.
Yeah. Which is fine.
He was so he he performed it so well.
Just not what I usually expect from Chris Lambert.
Yeah. And I think it was.
In the street.
Yeah. If you're going to waste an actor, you might as well waste an actor
that nobody thinks of ever.
I do like how they're like, oh, he was a Highlander.
Let's give him a sword.
But he's also blind.
So let's make sure we give him a sword where no one is around.
I did try and check to see how the makeup held up scene to scene,
because I remember when he first watched this, I read a thing
where he didn't want to go through makeup every day.
So he didn't like wash off the tattoos.
Did you notice any difference?
No. Yeah.
I mean, also with a movie that had its budget cut, like you probably just were
like, no, dude, don't take that.
Yeah. I mean, also his role is so short.
They probably just filmed it today.
Yeah. Or two days since he got to go to the hotel with it once at least.
Oh, allegedly.
I, you know, I really enjoy this movie.
It's dumb. It's fun.
It's a good length.
Yeah. It doesn't try to be anything that it's not.
It's which I like in a dumb movie.
I don't like.
Well, so like last week, we talked to her last episode.
We talked about mom and dad.
And that was an hour and 20 movie that feels like an hour 45.
And this is an hour 30 movie that feels pretty crisp.
Yeah. There's not a lot of fat on this movie.
Yeah. I mean, there's not a lot of words.
Yeah.
I'm saying it starts with a chase and it basically it just is a chase
the entire time for the most part.
They take it. They take that diner break.
And that's basically it.
All right. That's not true, because halfway through,
it does have a brief moment where it kind of turns into this like
buddy road comedy for a little bit when they're riding down the car
and he just, I'll be catches up with them on his motorcycle
and they're all just having a good laugh.
That's kind of out of nowhere.
But it's fun.
But the movie flies by.
So here's the real question, Chris.
What's your hell vehicle?
It's a truck camel motorcycle.
Larger friend that puts you in a bjorn.
That's mine. That's a good choice.
Mine's mine's Nick.
Oh, we're in a baby bjorn and I'm just like a rock in the front.
So it's just a hell, Nick. Yeah.
I want the Inceptor from Mad Max.
So that would work in hell, I think.
That Max is basically how the.
Oh, the car gets destroyed in every film, so I don't know how reliable it is.
But it comes back every time.
So probably more of it's held out.
It just comes back cooler.
It's fair. Yeah. From hell.
Chris, you're from Portland, right?
I'm from Phoenix, but I mean, I live in Portland now.
OK, I was going to say, I feel like you should have picked one of those weird
tall bikes or a unicycle.
That's that would be sick. Yeah.
They there are already like lots of people are doing that.
Like lots of people are doing flame spinning and shit there.
So why not just turn to hell unicycle?
Nick, what's your pick?
Oh, who?
Probably one of those like stupid hoverboard things like, you know,
it's got two wheels and like you stand on it.
But like every time I get on one, I can't like get my balance.
So I look like a frickin spinning dumbass
until I invariably fall off.
But I think the power of hell would keep me on it
and I would really cruise on it.
So hoverboard.
Ninety three Geo prism.
Don't ask me, don't ask me follow ups. OK.
It already is a healthy.
I kind of want to know what the body color is.
It's green.
That is exactly the color of my old roommate's Geo prism.
I have in my life owned three Geo prisms.
Oh, OK.
No, none of them have turned to hell vehicles.
Well, I mean, I could have died in all of them.
Fair. Now, the prism, we're a Geo podcast now.
Is that a three cylinder like the Metro?
Or does it have all four like the storm?
I believe it has all four. Nice.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
It has the power.
Yeah, the power. I was a Geo storm guy myself.
It was the hot rod or the
the the pussy magnet of the Geo range.
Naturally. Yeah.
No backseat. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Hatchback. So good.
We've watched Mom and Dad, you know, you can fucking that car.
I can confirm.
It's just as hard as you would think a six foot one
dude getting down in a Geo is.
It's very difficult.
Um, I don't I love this film.
I I don't have much else to say other than it's great.
Go watch it.
Yeah, Chris, any kind of final thoughts on this one?
It just feels like a movie that came 10 years too early or 10 years too late.
I get this movie to come out in the late 90s or potentially now.
I think it would I think it would be received better.
But as it stands now, I think it's a ton of fun.
And and I just want to highlight my favorite part is
towards the end, doing that final chase when a ghost rider delivers a rock bottom
to black out from one moving vehicle onto another moving vehicle.
You just don't see that enough in movies.
Oh, I have one huge complaint about this movie that I just remembered.
When he sends Rourke back to hell, he tells him to go home.
Yeah, it seems like a missed opportunity.
Rather than saying go to hell.
Yeah. But I think that's the joke.
It's like we all know he's going to hell.
So instead, he's saying go home.
I just for as cool as I'm going to be.
Every line of that movie tried to make it sound.
That was the one to really kind of.
That's a joke that required you to think more than this movie deserves.
Yes. So.
But I think about this movie a lot.
Well, you guys know, at the end, his flames are blue.
I guess that's because he's like he's good now or he has his soul back.
I'm sure.
Oh, man. Going back to the mid 90s, he's got that angel fire.
Yeah, that's right.
I've ever used cities, but it's fine.
Me too. I was.
A city's guy.
Geocities rocked with my.
Oh, fire was fucking assholes.
Keeping with our geo theme.
Yeah, right.
Geos only.
Geo podcast.
And now we're talking about geocaching.
Yeah. And geolocation.
OK, so on the the matrix of good movie, good cage performance, bad movie,
good, bad, bad, good, good.
I think that that good movie, great movie, amazing, fun, awesome movie
for in terms of cage performance.
I'm going to say the same thing that I did with mom and dad is just like
he's giving the performance that is expected of him and that the director wants.
Like, it's not scratching at the door.
Yeah, it's it's hammy.
It's it's campy.
And I am here for it.
I think it's a good movie and
a great performance.
But I think it works like this.
A hamminess works so much better in this than it does in something like mom and dad.
I don't know. Mom and dad.
I still I will put it on my fucking tombstone.
Not a great movie.
It's not a great movie.
It's not even a fun movie.
I got an 11.
Yeah, we only got an 11 there saying that mom and dad's not a great movie.
Yeah, very hot take.
Yeah. Well, you know, I went back, I said, not a fun movie.
Yeah. Chris, what do you think on this one?
So I would say a flaws aside, budget being cut, I still think it's a good movie.
But I'm pretty simple. If I like it, it's good.
I don't care if it's stupid or quote unquote bad.
If I like it, it's good.
And I think it's a great cage performance.
I think he knows what he's doing.
He does it well.
And I think it lets him play in that.
He gets to do those facial expressions and do all that weird German stuff
that he loves while being a superhero that he also loves.
I can't recommend it's like I would describe this movie of
if if an Iron Maiden album cover came to life,
it would be Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance, I think. Yeah.
Oh, I like that.
So if you can only see two two Ghost Rider movies in your life,
just watch this one twice. Yes.
Speaking of segues, Connor.
Man, I love your new format.
It's so efficient.
No one's even mentioned segues.
We were talking about hoverboards, Sean.
Oh, hell's a different.
That was going to be when I get it.
I'm like, I should do a segue now, but we were still talking about it.
Be better at setups.
Not for you.
Health segue would be so fucking lame.
It would just like go faster up a hill,
but very stable.
Can you imagine how cool you would look like rolling down by the pier like?
On a hell segue.
They'd still have to wear the hell helmet, though.
Yeah, the helmet.
My god damn it.
Thanks for that setup.
That I think.
So, Con Air, a
fucking love con.
This movie is astounding.
Ah, you're warming up again.
I loved Con Air the first time.
You just hate Garland Green.
I can't wait to talk about Garland Green.
Garland Green serves no fucking purpose.
Thank God we're talking about it first.
Let's get Garland Green is incredible.
He fills the Hannibal Lecter role of the psychopaths on the airplane.
Used it all in this film.
It doesn't have to be.
It's just like a menagerie of psychos on an airplane
that all like fit into different, I don't know, film shits.
And we're supposed to feel good about him just being loose
at the end of this film.
It's going to be president next year.
Terrific. Yeah.
Chris, what are your feelings on Garland Green?
I mean, I'm pro Garland Green.
It's like anytime you can.
Nothing wrong.
Yeah, yeah, we he was probably set up, first of all,
because he had it.
She's yeah.
Allegedly, he's the most he's the most.
You were a child's head across.
He just said it was a woman's head.
Let's be specific.
Said girl.
But yeah, she did.
She does say girl.
But he didn't say that he killed her.
He could have found that head.
He could have found that head. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, if I had a vehicle for every head I found and war,
he had an opportunity to kill.
He did not.
He was the most sane person on that plane.
Why the fuck was that little girl living there?
I don't know.
I mean, there were all sorts of people that lived around.
That's true.
It's probably the dude under the truck.
Yeah.
My wife and I watched this
couple of days ago, and that scene, she was like clutching me.
She was like, no, the little girl.
As Garland Green says, most murders are like a crime of necessity.
Not done out of passion.
I do like his little like witticisms.
I don't I don't hate the character.
It's just it.
I want I wanted a tighter story.
That's all.
I'm going to get a full chest Garland Green tattoo.
I hope you do.
Steve Buscemi's big bug eyes.
Yeah.
Definitely still looking in different directions for some reason.
Can't fix that with tattoos.
Your nipples.
Oh, man.
Yeah, this movie is pretty good.
I had a good time with it the first time.
I had forgotten like how much I actually do enjoy how stupid and fun it is.
Yeah, it's a little too long for my taste, but, you know,
I always think all these movies are too long because I'm grumpy and old now.
This movie is great.
It starts with it starts at an oil rig that just produces fire.
As they're supposed to, as they're supposed to.
He gets seven years for killing a man in self-defense.
Yeah, that is such a dumb conceit of this entire thing.
Everything in this movie is a dumb fucking conceit.
None of this movie makes sense when you talk about it.
I mean, it's a reason for him to have long hair.
I do like that.
So, Chris, what was your your first experience with Conair?
Well, I don't know, my first six, my technically first experience
was just seeing part of it when I went to see Face Off.
Because I saw the drive in and so Connick, because Conair came out
the week before Face Off, which is insane to think about that.
Conair opened in theaters and then a week later, Face Off opened.
So I remember very strong here.
So I remember seeing part of it then.
I don't know when I first watched it,
but I'm a big fan, a big fan of Conair.
And the thing I think is most interesting is actually like this is the movie.
That this is a movie that made Cage kind of an action star.
You know, The Rock came out the year before, two years before.
But in that, you know, that's still Sean Connery and Michael Bay.
And Cage is kind of like the nerdy character.
Conair kind of turned him into an action star.
And I think it's the movie that people kind of think of when they think of.
Cage is this kind of like over the top actor
that chews a lot of scenery.
But despite his his accent, Cage is like pretty reserved
and subtle in this movie compared to the rest of the cast.
Like John C.
Jack is the one who goes over the top, I think.
Yeah, that's pretty accurate.
I think everyone does like Nicholas Cage is pretty sedate in this film
and doesn't even have that much that many lines all in all.
It's actually a pretty restrained Ving Rhames performance, too,
given that the other ones that we've seen with him,
he's a lot more over the top.
Yeah. Well, compared to bringing up the dead, for sure.
Yeah. OK, so let's talk about the Rogues Gallery.
Cyrus, the virus.
You know, played by John Malcovich, Malcovich, Malcovich
really steals this film.
He is a terrific villain.
Yeah, he's got great villain face, great villain goatee.
He gets to talk about his stinking breath when killing children.
That's cool.
I love the anecdote about Malcovich getting the script
and like being with his buddy who was also like his script reader advisor
or whatever, and he just immediately chucks it.
And then his friends like, good, that's a piece of shit.
And he's like, no, no, I'm doing now.
I just don't need to read it.
I got it from page one.
Yeah, perfect.
I do like after Dave Chappelle's character Pinball dies
and like when he finds out pinball, he's like, Oh, I like pinball,
even though he fucking I cannot get over the fact that they made a fake Dave Chappelle.
Oh, man. And it looks so bad, too.
You know, at this point, though, I take fake Dave Chappelle any day of the week.
Yeah, true enough.
This is a much more promising Dave Chappelle.
Yeah. Also, I think it's actually pretty clever the way
Cameron Powe uses Dave Chappelle to write a note
to exactly that's pretty smart for as dumb as this movie is.
That's a that seems like a smart thing to do.
I mean, there's a lot of collateral damage potentially from that.
But yes, I was trying to think when did Cameron Powe
learn about QSAC?
Like, when did he know?
Like, how did he know his name?
Like, write him the note.
He overheard because he was in the cabin for a second.
He overheard them talking to Larkin.
That's what I had to.
Yeah. OK.
You know, this really gets me thinking is like.
That is a lot of collateral damage all over one guy's insulin shot.
Like he loves baby.
Yeah, he loves baby.
And that's great.
They shared snowballs, which was wildly irresponsible.
Nicholas Cage is Cameron Powe responsible for baby's diabetes.
Could be.
Got him on those snowballs.
He doesn't know they're called snowballs.
Yeah, just those pink things.
Yeah, those pink thing where they don't allow to say snow.
No, because they show the packaging.
Yeah. Right.
Show the back.
Like you could just read it.
Oh, both of these movies feature hostess.
Like, yeah.
I want to talk about, you know, going back to.
Sorry to.
To go to.
A lot.
I fucking hate the way he eats that Twinkie and Ghost Rider.
Smashes it open.
Yeah. And then like fucking suck tubes it out.
Gross.
So I said to.
I will say suck tube more in my life now.
Suck tube is now a part of my common vernacular.
Please.
Got my lexicon.
I do love that.
What you got in Ghost Rider, though, where he touches a sandwich
and it immediately rots and he touches the apple and in a meteor
rot, he touches a Twinkie and it doesn't rot because it's already trash.
He was also only touching the packaging for the Twinkie.
But should also have like broken down.
It's plastic.
It would take a long time.
Hold it for a minute.
Just long enough to suck tube it.
Also, the rules of what he what like degrades
when he touches it were wildly in concise inconsistent.
Yeah.
OK, let's get back to Conair.
It's wildly inconsistent.
Yeah. So we were talking about
our damage, Malcovich.
Boom. OK, we've talked about Malcovich.
All done. Pinball done. Baby.
Oh, done. Well, he's not.
He's not Rogues gallery.
I mean, he's still a criminal, but yeah, he is kind of well, true.
He is kind of a villain.
In his own right, because he has diabetes.
Yeah. Yeah, gross.
The police and or the guards in this film villains,
all of them, except for the lady guard.
Yeah, she's cool. Yeah.
Ship. Yeah, Bishop is good.
That dude with the mustache, what an asshole.
What's that? OK.
I always forget this guy's name, the one who is flying the plane.
Swamp Thing Swamp Thing.
What's so MC Ganey, MC Ganey.
OK, he's a Ganey fucking love a good MC Ganey.
So here is everything.
He is awesome.
He is my favorite trash human being.
He is always sorry, Sean.
You've been replaced no matter what.
But yeah, he's fucking awesome. I love MC Ganey.
I miss my mustache.
Speaking of things that didn't age well from the 90s,
the flamboyant queer character, queer villain.
Well, we talked about this, I think.
Yeah, with my brother.
Yeah. Sally can't dance.
The character is based on a real life person
who was like, I don't know, gender queer or something in the prison system.
So quit hating on the gays.
Still not a great representation. Yeah.
It's very much of its time.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it's usually the rock.
I think that, yeah.
The hairdresser and the hairdresser.
I think the only thing with Sally can't dance that's kind of shitty
is just that he slaps her versus it's like, oh, well, that's a lady.
Well, she did not try to set him on fire.
That's true. So no, no punching.
Good. Off the table.
You get punched, Dave Chappelle, though.
Because he did set someone.
He did set someone on fire.
Yeah. Fucking punch Dave Chappelle.
You heard it here, folks.
Or set him on fire.
Either one is fine.
Yeah, it's tit for tat at that point, right?
Yeah. Pretty sure he called the Native American guy, Coach Ease also.
He did. He was he was very.
He was very nice.
Yeah. To who'd have guessed?
Chappelle.
Shocking all of us.
The foresight of Conair.
They've only we'd listened.
I think my only beef with this entire movie, like it's it's popcorn,
like from start to finish.
I think it is just a little too long.
I think you could have ended it after the plane crashes.
I don't think you need that last fire truck fight.
And also the like smasher that is just there.
Are you kidding me?
V, you mean definitively the best death in a film ever?
I'm going to stab you through the ankle.
I'm going to run you through a raise you up on a ladder
so that you go flying through a bridge, somehow losing the handcuff.
Like you're now uncuffed. Whatever.
It's cool because you're going to land on like perfectly high voltage
transmission wires.
You're going to get shocked.
But guess what? You're not dead.
You're landing on a conveyor belt in a smasher and we're going to bust you.
That's so fucking cool.
No, this movie needs that, Peter.
You're wrong. It's like they take out the take out the fire truck part
or like take out the airplane crash or something like just remove
one of the other elements.
Now, that's all perfect.
Now, we need to remove is.
Don't say Garland Green.
I'm not going to say Garland Green.
I'm not talking about.
All the issue and is the hand cut his his arm.
His arm should have been like ripped off when he flew.
Oh, man.
It's perfect.
If it makes sense, physically tore his hand off
and then he went through the bridge and got shocked.
Oh, that would have been so much cooler.
Yeah, that would have elevated this movie.
Just add that one little bit.
There's room for expansion.
There's just so many like.
I went through a bridge at four in the morning.
I don't give a fuck.
There's just so many parts within the narrative.
And again, Nick, before you fucking get mad at me for this,
I do genuinely love this film,
but there are just so many parts in the story that you just have to ignore
or they have to just create reasons to keep the movie going,
to keep the plot going.
And I'm just like, we can just streamline some of this and we lose nothing.
Sure.
You there are definitely things that could have been edited out.
Like I was talking to Peter about it.
And Peter's like, we don't need cool.
Meaning I'm like, no, you need to mean you rewatch it.
You don't need cool. Meaning.
No. I mean, he has some funny lines, I guess.
How many of these films do you own, Chris?
I'm pretty sure I own.
If it's available on Blu-ray, I have it.
Nice for cage.
I want to talk about the collateral damage a little bit.
So we talked about it a little bit.
This movie definitely has some of the most collateral damage of any movie.
And there's actually a great part where they're one to shoot down
the plane over an empty desert.
And they're like, look,
these people will die, but we'll save so many lives.
And Q's acts like, no, don't do it.
Don't do it.
And obviously, it crashes into the Vegas.
Old Vegas, I think, is where it crashes through the layout of Vegas.
No sense. Fremont.
Area. Yeah.
Because you get the the LED screen with the jets and everything.
What's the area that has the most smashers for people's heads?
But what I like about it is at the end, after everything happens,
Q's act comments, he makes he makes a comment about like,
yeah, you know what, maybe we should have maybe made more sense
to just shoot it down.
I can't remember the exact line, but he comments on the fact that
they created a lot more damage by letting it go.
Yeah, my wife was really the whole plane crashing scene.
She was just like the casualty.
Well, they were trying to drive the airplane towards the airport
because there was a landing strip that was going to be completely clear for them.
But Ganey was like, Nope, we're landing on the strip.
And the word is crash.
Swamping. Yeah, I fucking love it.
To be fair, I don't think he I think they they were going down, right?
They lost an engine. I think. Yeah.
Come on, Swamp Thing is not going to just crash into people.
He's a good guy.
He would have went to the airport if he could make it.
Swamp Thing did nothing. If he had the option, he would have run to the airport.
He did the best he could.
I think Conair also has maybe the highest ratio of like dudes
walking away from explosions in any movie.
Oh, it's got some really good ones.
There are. Yeah, there are a lot of explosions and dudes who walk away from them.
Yeah, almost.
I think everyone virtually everyone in the main cast gets to walk away
from at least one explosion and QZAC and cage both gets a dive.
Yeah, I was really disappointed with Nicolas Cage running away from the explosion
there at the Lerner Air Air Base or whatever,
because I mean, you could tell there was like a green screen or whatever.
Like he was just, I don't know, emotionally dead.
He could have been jogging to the restroom.
No, because you have some sense of urgency in that.
He just had like such a placid face like, I'm just going for a stroll.
It's the most obvious use of green screen in the movie, too.
It's like that's the one where it really does stand out.
I would also say the when QZAC's in the prison and the bomb goes off.
Oh, sure.
Because the door like flips over him and like slams into the wall.
And then when the plane goes down and the propeller comes loose
and it comes right. Oh, right between.
That was sick, though. Yeah. I enjoyed that.
I also like that QZAC wears brick and stocks.
This whole which is his choice.
I love his giant suit as well.
Those are the way straight up prison slippers.
Like they're made of plastic and they're definitely not comfortable.
Yeah, apparently QZAC was like, I'll do this movie, but I get to wear brick and stocks.
So gross.
He compared it to Charleston Heston and like the old like sword and sandal movies and stuff.
I think it's a fun, fun little touch.
I mean, that is
it's definitely interesting.
I enjoy QZAC.
He's a weird, weird guy.
This is just one of two QZAC cage overlaps, though.
Yeah, just this in frozen ground, right?
Yeah. There's also a minor.
No, our arsenal.
Oh, OK. Yeah, that's not on ours.
Yeah, we didn't end up putting that in the bracket, but yeah.
Yeah, there's also a minor.
Arsenal's not great. So that makes sense.
Well, good. I'm glad we didn't put it in.
Don't worry. I own it.
We can watch it any time. Fantastic.
I did a giveaway of our son. I gave me like three copies of those.
I have a VHS copy of City of Angels just begging to be given away.
I can't give it away. It was a Christmas gift.
The fact that you have a VHS of it, you do have to just like frame it.
Put it in a shadow. Yeah, probably.
Yeah. Whenever I buckled down and purchased my replica of the beast,
I'll get a shadow box for City of Angels as well.
Perfect. Put it right next to it.
Place of honor.
It's like, wow, Nick, you have very diverse taste.
For Nicholas Cage.
So within the matrix of good, bad, bad, good, where do we want to put this one?
I'm going to stick with terrific film.
Terrific cage.
I say terrific film.
Scattershot cage.
Yeah, I'll wait for my defense.
I would go excellent film. Excellent cage.
I think I'm with with Nick and Chris on this one.
I think it's a pretty excellent performance.
I think the accent work is really shitty, but it doesn't matter.
We we've never gone to Nicholas Cage for accent work.
Never like unless he's a Boston cop.
Oh, he nails that one. Yeah.
Never been working on it.
His accent. And this is interesting, too, because it like sometimes he goes into
it is raising Arizona accent, which also doesn't make any sense.
Is some like I don't know anyone from Arizona that talks like that.
Whatever that accent is that he's doing, but it it doesn't matter.
It's still excellent.
Yeah, he's never been able to put an accent to a location.
Well, but you know, he gets out there and he does it.
He just tries, man. I respect it. Yeah.
But I really think that being
just a straight action film like this, he
he was also like what this came out before face off, he said.
Yeah, the week before.
So it's like he got to
do something a little different with an action film like this.
And, you know, it's it's not as woozy, wowsy, wild.
But it's it's a great action film performance.
I would have put him up against Stallone any day.
He's jacked as fuck.
Well, yeah, it would, because right before this, he did
Wedwalk West bringing out the not bringing out the dead.
We just talked with Kiss of Death was around this time as well.
That's why he's so.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
But yeah.
Yeah, he does that thing where he's like sitting cross legged on the ground
and just like lifts himself up with his arms.
He's just holding himself up.
Oh, just on his fingertips.
Yeah, that made my arthritis hurt.
It's a bit of a sort of a trombo movie, right?
I think people kind of remember it more as a cage vehicle,
but it's really about the whole the whole whole cast.
Yeah, the sum of its parts.
Yeah, it's nothing without Garland Green.
Yeah, exactly.
And speaking of the vehicle, the plane kind of looks like the plane from Tellspin
a little bit. Oh, it does.
Very similar design.
I don't know if the Jerry Brockheimer produced Tellspin.
I would not be shocked to find out, but I don't think so.
I really want that to be true, though.
Yeah. Yeah.
Jerry Brockheimer produced Tellspin movie.
Hmm. Not until we get national.
Yeah. Could be the same thing.
Oh, we're going to get turned up on board.
So at this point, I'm kind of curious, Chris,
what is your favorite cage movie?
I know you did the bracket yourself and Raising Arizona came out on top, but like
that was six years ago, and it's been a very productive six years.
It has been. Yeah.
I really stopped doing that column at like the wrong time
because he really like got like a second wind right around the time they stopped.
A Rosing Arizona is my favorite cage movie.
I've got a top four that's pretty solid.
And the fifth is like kind of varies.
But Raising Arizona, Wild at Heart, Valley Girl, Face Off.
Those are my top four.
Easy number five kind of fluctuates.
Adaptation, bringing out the dead.
The two that most common that I would say.
Oh, no crap.
Did we got Red Rock West?
Red Rock West is amazing.
Red Rock West is number five.
So bringing out the dead and adaptation, battle it out for number six.
Fair. I'm glad you mentioned Valley Girl.
I think that one is a little underrated.
Valley Girl was such a great film.
It just went up against Vampire's Kiss for us.
And that was unfortunate.
It's just bracketology, right?
Like it hit a fucking top seat or well, not even a top seat
because that one's not rated crazy well, but it's that movie is fantastic.
But yeah, Valley Girl is a lot of fun.
And I still I listen to the Sparks album.
They feature on that one all the time.
Valley Girl is a great example, too, because I think,
you know, when Cage started doing, you know, it's kind of like
I think Wicker Man is kind of when like Cage's star
kind of start to drop a little bit
and he started doing more direct to video stuff and started getting more negative reviews.
I think that's around the same time that people started
kind of like latching on to this idea that Cage always goes over the top.
He'll do anything.
And this is a new thing.
But if you watch Valley Girl, he's been the same actor.
He's always had that in him.
He has plenty. He has a cage freak out in Valley Girl.
It's no different than anything you would see in Ghost Rider.
Yeah. Well, he even got to like break out a little bit
and say like Peggy Sue got married and.
Yeah, that's a great example, too.
A lot of his older works. He's got great examples. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So of these two films and keep in mind,
your opinion does not matter in this context, but which film would you like to see go ahead?
This is actually really tough.
I feel like on one hand, I want to see Conair because I have some more
like pop cultural significance to it.
But I'm going to go Ghost Rider because I just love it more.
I'd rather watch Ghost Rider more.
It's more fun for me.
It's more cage.
And I think Conair is less cage
than deserving for this bracket.
So I would Ghost Rider, Spirit of Vengeance would get my vote.
Like I was thinking about this and Conair is definitely the much more memeable film.
It's the one like you say, Nicolas Cage.
People are going to think the hair and the just that.
But it really is more of an ensemble cast and he doesn't have
the most screen time in it.
And when you take Ghost Rider, which is a tight film,
very little fat to cut off, you know, campy dialogue,
but is just a blast from start to finish.
I'd have to go Ghost Rider as well.
Hmm. Yeah, I've struggled with this one a lot.
I think based on most of my
my metrics that I've used in the past, which are wildly conflicting,
I think I want to go Conair
because if I'm thinking about this as a movie, I'm going to recommend to somebody.
It's got the widest appeal.
I mean, it's bookended by
how do I live without you?
Do do do do.
It's got the bunny.
I guess it's got the memeable moments, but I don't think I don't.
I don't know. I don't consider those memeable moments.
I consider them memorable moments. Fine.
It is the like one of these movies has been forgotten by time.
And I think that's unfortunate.
Yeah. Well, I don't know if it was forgotten by time.
It just came out at a poor time.
So I guess I'm going to go Conair.
It's it's a it's a timeless classic.
It it fits any time unless you're short on time.
But it's I don't know.
It's a solid film.
And, you know, I mean, they're both solid.
Yes, I'm not. I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm not disagreeing with you either.
I would definitely.
I'll just kiss.
Mm hmm.
Do you have for audio?
It's too loud.
Yeah, blow. It's very well.
Turn the game down.
Turn that MC Ganey down.
Yeah, so this is another rare Peter.
Too much power coming this direction.
No, I did actually think about this.
I love Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance.
I think it's a fucking fantastic movie.
It's one of my favorite comic book movies.
But watching Conair with Rachel,
I was like, oh, yeah, this is like this is part of the mix.
Like, there's a reason it exists as a movie that everyone talks about for Nick Cage.
It's it's when he was at the peak of his power the first time,
and then it just goes to shit.
And I love that he's got the resurgence.
But I there's something about like 90 schlock
that still holds some power over me that Ghost Rider doesn't hit,
even though I fucking love that movie.
So I think for this situation, I have to push Conair.
Also, it now has to go up against face off,
which I think is going to be fun to talk about,
because those are two super powerhouses.
And one must leave. So.
That's no, I mean, I don't disagree with any of what you either of you said.
I. I like both these movies quite a bit.
Yeah, Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance, everyone should watch it.
It's a fucking romp.
I wish wish we could have gotten the full budget are rated like no fucks given.
Yeah, that totally could have changed.
Yeah, 100 percent.
You know, we were robbed.
I want to do your bit about Connor being 90 schlock is a really good point,
because I don't think this is such a Jerry Brockheimer produced movie.
And I feel like action movies,
we don't get action movies in the same way with this type of ensemble cast.
That's kind of like the DNA for like for the Fast and Furious movies.
But even they're not they're not on air.
No, they're great, but they're not.
Conair.
People involved in those watch Tokyo,
people in those movies take them take themselves,
their careers in those movies way too seriously.
Yeah, exactly.
Conair, everyone knew what Connor was.
I felt all intentional to me.
None of it.
You the way you kept saying, immobile.
Yeah, I would say memorable works better because me mobile to me
is you're kind of poking fun of it.
You're making you're taking scenes out of context and laughing at it.
But I don't think you can do that with Conair because Conair knows what it is.
And everything's intentional.
I think there's nothing in that movie where somebody does something
and we laugh because they didn't know it was funny,
I guess, except for maybe Cage's accent.
Yeah, I do find it funny though.
The whole everything's intentional considering that script
was being rewritten every fucking day.
Oh, yeah.
What a nightmare that would be to this script is being written.
But I feel like all those actors knew what they were doing.
And yes, yeah, 100 percent.
All right. Well, that settles that one.
How do I live without you?
Well, thanks for thanks for coming on, Chris.
Do you have anything you want to pitch to our audience of mostly our friends?
Yeah, I mean, letterbox is always good.
Just Chris underscore gospel.
And then, yeah, some school rejects again.
I mostly just write in October now, usually.
But I do a lot in October every year.
And then, yeah, on the Rocket League field,
you can you can find me on a rocket league every night pretty much.
Does your car have a sweet name?
I don't know anything.
Well, I know the basics of Rocket League, but do you get to name your car?
Not name your car, but you can you can have teams.
And I do have a team and we are werewolves on wheels.
Wheels on wheels. I like that.
I was a fellow film school rejects writer.
Yeah, where cats you missed where cats, man, come on.
Well, everyone's on wheels is a good 70s
alliteration, rotation movie.
So, oh, gotcha. All right.
That tracks Nick, what's the name of your spaceship and hell divers?
Oh, it's the SES fist of family values.
Fantastic. And mine is the SES
superintendent of self-determination.
Nice.
You can find Nick and I on Helldivers, too.
All right. Next up, we've got a guarding test and moon struck going head to head.
That'll be a fun one.
Ian's supposed to join us.
That'll be fun. We'll have a good time with that.
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Do do do do.
Bye bye.
That's an idea.
Hopefully, hopefully it's on the record.
Yeah, good.
And my confusion afterwards. Yeah.
Hopefully, it's not on the record your confusion afterwards.
Oh, even better. Yeah.
We have people guessing.
Just add a trombone sound.
Womp womp womp.
OK, we see the letters are written in crayon.
Start with the letters and we go, a.
I will tell you, as a parent, you do lie in makeup cards
that look like a child wrote them.
I do that. Your child doesn't want to do it.
I mean, I do that with my pets, so I get it.
Yeah. How many times is that actually successfully fooled someone?
Don't ask follow up questions.
We know we know some dumb people.
We do. Do know some dumb people.
Wait, Corden, write me that letter.