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Oh, God. Oh, my God.

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All right. Well, fuck. Yeah.

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Thanks for joining us, Chris.

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Yeah. Thanks for asking me to.

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Yeah, I've been enjoying our conversation on Twitter about

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Schrader and all sorts of other fun things.

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Yeah. All Schrader.

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Paul Schrader is great. I don't I do not understand

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the straighter hate dying of the light.

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Some of his OK, that doesn't count because that was taken from him.

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That's not the movie he was intending to make. He boycotted it.

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But even even if he made it, even if that was the movie

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wanted to make and it was bad, he still did cat people,

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which is enough to no matter what happens after that.

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He's good. And he also wrote, I believe, Obsession.

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I think that was the I got a movie he wrote.

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I got to agree with you.

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Cat people fucking rules.

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I watched that the other day.

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I like never have time to watch an extra movie and I crammed this one

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in on your recommendation.

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Very fun.

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It didn't convert me on Schrader, but man, what a fucking blast.

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That movie is. You're fired.

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What is cat people at people?

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Yeah. So it's a remake of,

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I believe, a 1942 Valued in horror movie.

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So this was made mid 80s.

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Malcolm Macdowell's in it. John heard a nettle tool.

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There's these people and they turn into cats

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and when they turn into cats, they turn into, I believe, black leopards

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and they kill.

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And the only way to stop the transformation is to have sex with their sibling.

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OK, I'm sold. Let's go watch this movie right now.

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It's so good.

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It's so like 80s goofy, but fantastic.

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I don't know. I loved it.

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I'm interested in the science behind sibling sex.

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Are they twins?

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You had me at sibling sex.

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Is that your favorite type of adult documentary?

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I mean, there were multiple times where I was just like,

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this is so fucking dumb, but I had a good time.

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So we can have so fucking dumb this week.

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Yeah, actually, go ahead and bring us in, Sean.

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Welcome back to Cage Match, colon, a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage.

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I'm your host, Sean, here with my cohost Nick and our producer.

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Peter, hello.

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We have our special guest, Chris Coffel here today.

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Why don't you tell the people what it is you do?

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Also, do we get your name right?

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Coffel is coffee.

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Technically, Coffel sounds nicer, I think.

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So, yeah, I guess I guess I occasionally write mostly at film school rejects

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for probably the last eight years or so.

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For the last few years, mostly just in October,

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horrors my favorite genre.

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So every year at film school rejects, we do a big

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31 days of horror lists or every day in October.

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We have a new list of 10 horror movies.

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We've been doing it for a long time now.

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So it started out, you know, like best vampire movie, best werewolf movie.

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But now it's very like specific.

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You know, it's a best movie.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, last year was erotic.

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It was one of the categories and cat people did make the list.

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Fantastic.

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Yeah. And then I previously had a Nick Cage column.

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I wrote at film school rejects for two years, I think,

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and a couple other random columns.

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And then occasionally I pop up at other places.

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It's been a while, but if you dig deep,

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I've done a bunch of stuff, a bloody disgusting as well

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and have recently started doing some stuff at

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Amicus Horror to the new site.

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But mostly I play Rocket League.

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So that's where you can find me.

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Nice. Nick and I are on that hell.

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Hell Divers to train right now.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to make noise with that.

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Oh, no, it's fine. Now it was buzzing for a second.

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Yeah. Nick's got big money on the line with the basketball game

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going on right now. So

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I hope you put your money on.

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I'm I'm with Purdue.

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So if we start and say I'm not with Purdue, I'm Yukon.

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Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah.

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No, I'm switching over. Last minute.

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No, I'm not.

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I changed the bracket. It's fine.

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Yeah. What if you could just primal wins?

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God damn it. Yeah.

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Oh, OK. Yeah. I do want to talk about primal.

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Well, let me finish my segue from five minutes ago.

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Yeah, speaking of a speaking of dumb, speaking of dumb movies.

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This week, we have Conair and Ghost Rider to Spirit of Vengeance.

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Yeah, those aren't dumb movies.

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No, those are serious movies.

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We're in the action category.

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These are movies to base your entire personality on.

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You're not wrong. Yeah.

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We will get into why.

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Yeah. So, Chris, I mean, you you're obviously kind of like

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a an Internet go to person in terms of cage stuff.

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So like what got you started?

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How why do you love Nick Cage so much?

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So I grew up in the 90s.

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So Cage was always kind of a, you know, unknown quantity, a big deal.

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Raising Arizona is probably the first movie I knew him from.

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But when I became like I really got into cage,

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this is weird because I was think I was probably 11.

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And we went and seen face offs.

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My family would go to the drive in pretty regularly.

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And I wanted to go see Batman and Robin.

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My parents wanted to see face off.

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They opened up on the same day.

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A face off went out, which I was adamant I did not want to see.

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But then I loved it.

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And therefore, I was like, your parents are not monsters.

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I don't know.

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Batman and Robin is also a sick movie.

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I have these awful.

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Oh, just like it's the only movie I've never watched to completion.

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It's not terrible.

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That's Batman edging.

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Yeah, it's a great movie.

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You just sit down, start drinking.

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The movie is going to go through.

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You're going to have a great time.

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I missed my 20 year window to enjoy that movie then.

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You can figure it out.

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Is that the Mr. Freeze one? Yeah.

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Oh, boy. All right. Good.

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Everybody.

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I still meet you.

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See, you even remember quotes from it.

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I don't even know that's a quote from it.

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It probably is.

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Yes, it is.

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It is. I always turn that movie off at the same place.

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And that's when the Bat Amics card comes out.

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what a great film.

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We're now a Batman and Robin podcast.

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Yeah, we're pivoting. Chris, this is your time.

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Welcome to the batting cage.

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Oh, no.

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Sorry, it's nipples on the bat suit just because I still own that URL.

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That's Batman forever.

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It carries over.

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They're not sure.

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That's true. They are both to market that.

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I'm actually pretty good.

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That's kind of a bit of a Renaissance.

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I do like that film a lot like Val Kilmer underrated Batman.

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I agree. Yeah.

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Christian Bale. Worst Batman.

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I do not like Christian Bale's Batman at all.

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He was great in Captain Crowley's mandolin.

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He was great in Captain Crowley's mandolin.

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And I think that's the best Batman.

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I think that's the best Batman.

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I think that's the best Batman.

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I think that's the best Batman.

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Mondraus is Batman.

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Oh, fuck, yeah.

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You just get shot in the ass.

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All right.

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What are we talking about?

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This is a this is a Nicolas Cage podcast where we've taken 64

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Nicolas Cage movies and bracketed them till Nick and I decide what

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ultimately is the best Nick Cage movie as decided by two idiots that are us.

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You you kind of were a progenitor of the March Madness Nick Cage thing.

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So I want to talk about that just a little bit.

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What was your idea behind that?

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How did you pick your 16?

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And why are you smarter than us for only doing 16?

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So I did 16 once, so it would just be shorter, obviously.

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I recall I have to go back and look.

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I think I picked the 16 that were the highest rated on IMDb,

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which is a dumb way to choose things.

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Anything that aggregates scores anywhere is mostly stupid.

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But that's how I chose the 16.

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So it wouldn't be just completely me picking my favorite 16.

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There would be something interesting behind it.

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And I I think Raising Arizona won my bracket, if I remember.

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But I got to pull it up and see. Yeah.

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I was surprised to see if it was just the top 16 in your list.

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I was surprised to see that Bad Lieutenant was one of his 16 best films

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circa 2018.

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And I know that you like that movie.

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And I'm not saying that's wrong.

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But why?

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I still haven't found anybody to explain why that movie is likeable.

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I'm not saying it's wrong.

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I'm just saying you're not invited to my birthday party.

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If it's Bad Lieutenant themed, I don't need to be there.

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But it's got iguanas.

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Yeah.

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But a sober guy throwing a drug addled birthday party sounds terrible.

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I mean, it's it's you have

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Verner Herzog and Nicolas Cage, and that's just it's just

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the right amount of madness for it to work.

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I guess I'm not surprised that you're not a fan

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because I was I was shocked that you guys were so low on bringing out the dead.

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I don't know how.

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No, no, we love that movie.

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Yeah, the movie is really, really good.

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But the reasoning behind why we we kicked it is.

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Valid. Yeah, valid and specific about mostly Schrader, but.

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Which we've established already is incorrect.

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And also Joe, Joe's a fucking great.

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Joe's a great movie.

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We're going to fight this whole time.

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Yeah, people were never going to talk about Conair or Ghost Rider.

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No, it's happened before.

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Primal. I love Primal.

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Have you seen Primal?

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I have seen Primal.

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I love that line.

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They talked about what does he shouts the line he shouts about like

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meeting his cat, Jack.

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Primal's fun.

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See, it's fun.

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I said I told you I'd rewatch it.

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Yeah, I know.

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I just have to keep telling you how great it is until you do.

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Great. It's a terrific film.

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It's easily top five.

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Oh, you are wrong there.

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I didn't say of what fair.

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But what do you guys want to start with?

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Ghost Rider, Spirit of Vengeance.

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I could Vengeance.

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So the not so direct sequel to the original Ghost Rider

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where Johnny Blaze has to save Danny, the son of the devil.

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Would you say that it's the spiritual sequel?

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Ah, I'll leave now.

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Yeah, that's your best joke

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of this whole podcast

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from becoming the new incarnation of the devil

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all the while avoiding Blackout, who is the villain.

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Kind of a shitty villain.

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Better than the boy band from the first movie.

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The elemental boy band. Yeah.

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So are the special effects, the action and general just demeanor of the film.

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I like this movie a lot.

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This movie is a romp.

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Yeah, it's certainly a more enjoyable version of the film

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than the original Ghost Rider.

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I was glad to see that jelly beans got replaced with pills.

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Always nice to do that.

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And not even like pills you just play around with,

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but like some pretty good muscle relaxers and painkillers.

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Oh, I'm sure, you know, probably sore from having all this flesh burned off nightly.

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He drank. He had a drink of that wine.

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Yeah, would be nice on a salad.

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But that's old, old wine for you.

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We have Idris Elba giving us a very wide

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French accent. Mm hmm.

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Mm hmm. It goes places rarely goes to the same place twice.

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Well, yeah, that sounds like him in Conair, though.

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Nicholas Cage. Yeah. Yeah.

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I was going to talk about that.

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That dances around to.

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Yeah, the Idris Elba one.

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It definitely doesn't start French like until they mention that he's French.

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I never hear a French accent until like it's halfway to the movie

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because initially he's just Idris Elba.

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He's got like a little bit of generic European.

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It's like this could be any kind of region in like southern Europe.

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Yeah, I think the only thing that makes him French is he's kind of like, oh,

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that's it.

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I would have killed for a whole whole whole.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

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Is this one in a whole whole?

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It is so old.

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What was up with his contact lenses?

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I don't know. I was going to ask why yellow eyes.

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Well, he drinks a lot.

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I think it's cat people.

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It must be cat people reasons.

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It could be cat people.

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He's a werecat.

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Yeah, I mean, I have to go have sex with his brother.

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So, Chris, what was your interaction with this movie?

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I feel like you've probably seen every cage movie, but.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I'm a big fan of Ghost Rider, Spirit of Vengeance.

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It's it's such a step up from the first movie in every way.

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And I like that.

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Yes, it's a sequel, but it assumes you haven't seen Ghost Rider

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with the opening where he completely explains who Ghost Rider is

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and how he became Ghost Rider.

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So it kind of works as a reboot.

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I'm also a fan of Neville Dean and Taylor,

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the directing combo that did the movie.

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So once they were working with cage and being a fan of the crank movies,

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I was all for this.

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And initially, it was supposed to be part of the Marvel Nights series,

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which were supposed to be darker, more adult oriented comic book movies.

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They did Punisher Warzone.

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And I thought this was going to be.

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Yeah, Punisher Warzone is fantastic.

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And so this was supposed to be similar to that.

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It was supposed to be R.

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It was supposed to have plenty of gore and Sony kind of got cold feet.

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They changed a lot of the script and they cut the budget in half,

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which I think kind of shows, which is weird because the CGI

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special effects are better than the first movie, but they're still.

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They're still not great.

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But there's some great set pieces and it's very magnetic,

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has lots of manic energy.

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And the two the two car chase scenes, it opens with the car chase

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and ends with the car chase.

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And they're both real cars, practical effects,

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for the most part, with the car stuff.

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Fantastic. I've been a fan, even though I think the movie doesn't

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never got to be what it should have been.

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But it's still great.

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I think it is a lot of great stuff, and I will always appreciate

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taking a character like that and like for your final set piece, like

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now we're going to set it during the day so you can see all the action.

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None of that fucking Pacific Rim bullshit where it's like,

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here's the big monster fight at night underwater.

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You can't see shit.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love day action scenes.

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Like you don't have enough of them.

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And this this this movie, I mean, almost all this movie takes place

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during the day.

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The one scene where he gets shot with like that rocket launcher

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thing that's at night.

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But for the most part, it's it's all day.

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And I think they I think Neville Dean Taylor did a good job

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kind of covering up where they didn't have the budget.

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They do all these interesting cutaways where they have these scenes

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where it cuts to work.

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Everything else is black.

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And you just see the action taking place on a black background.

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It's like somebody somebody else

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for play discussing just wrote about Ghost Rider today and they compared

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it's like Mortal Kombat, fatality cut scenes.

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And that's what it feels like.

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OK, I can say that.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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I could tell that they had cut some of the budget down

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in like the lack of transformations.

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It was I'm going to kneel down.

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I'm the ghost rider.

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I'm going to kneel down.

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I'm Nicolas Cage.

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You didn't have a much in the way of like,

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you know, American werewolf like changing or anything like that.

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He snorts fire one time out of his nostrils, but he does.

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He does that one where he's like turning the cage up to 11 on the motorcycle

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and like there's kind of superimposing like bits of a skull

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and stretching it over his face.

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It doesn't have the wow factor of the transformation in the original film.

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Yeah, those aren't like transformations, though.

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That's not like, I don't know, face melting, head burning.

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I know that's I'm just saying that's the closest we get.

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Yeah.

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One of the effects that I thought was really fucking nice, though, was

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because it was so shot in the daytime, you see the flame

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and like that black smoke that's coming off of it.

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You just never got in Ghost Rider one because it's just sort of this

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like magic spirit flame.

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That's like, no, it's like a gross, gnarly ass flame.

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He looks like he smells bad.

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Yeah, for real.

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Well, he does.

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He has a cycle where he has all the face stuff.

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That's more like, yes, there's obviously some special effects there,

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but that's a lot of like cage making weird faces

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and then just like slightly altering it.

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Kind of like he feels like he's channeling that.

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He talks about being a fan of like German expressionism and like surrealism.

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And that's what that scene feels like to me.

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And I might be misquoting or misremembering,

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but I spoke to Brian Taylor about this movie years ago

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and because I had made, which I shared with you, Peter, a little video.

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Right. Like I edited that scene in black and white

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and made it put like old silent film music over it.

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I'm pretty sure.

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And everything. Yeah.

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They kicked around the idea of doing parts of the movie in black and white,

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black and white and removing CGI altogether.

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So still having him like in the costume he would wear for the CGI.

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But then it just be like cage facial expressions.

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But Sony was not into that idea.

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They're cowards, man.

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They fuck. They are cowards.

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Well, I mean, did this this came out after Warzone Punisher Wars on,

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I'm assuming that's why I got scared because I know Punisher Wars

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on did not do well, like it did not get a wide release.

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I wanted to see in theaters and I didn't really get a chance to when it came out.

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I think it's like three years after Wars.

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OK, because, yeah, those are the two movies that came out under that title.

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Right. Under that banner.

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It's kind of crazy that they only had the two,

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but I guess they were going through a lot of change at that point.

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Yes. So it's always been kind of.

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Yeah.

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If he on not as bad as Fox.

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It didn't help that like the Dark Knight took off and then,

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you know, the Avengers was right around the corner.

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So comic book films became more serious, I guess,

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not fun, silly like they were in the the 90s.

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Then I'm those kind of getting back to that maybe a little bit.

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That's like closer. That's more in line, I think, with the two Venom movies

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are more in line with this ghostwriter.

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Yeah. Yeah, they definitely feel like they're

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they definitely feel more

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in line with the serious or the humorous take on the character.

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Well, I remember I was a big fan of ghostwriter comics at this time,

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and I always loved the Johnny Blaze is a fucking moron like character.

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Like he was a carny. He grew up in a carnival.

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He knows that he knows how to fix and ride motorcycles, doesn't know anything else.

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So he's just a really dumb superhero who's just way too powerful.

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And most of the trouble he gets in is his own fucking fault

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for just sticking his head where sticking his nose where it shouldn't be.

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So I always liked I was like a big dumb hero.

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Good him.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And like only him, though,

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a pure like Ghost Rider, you don't really need a big

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buff like superhero body.

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You just need a guy who you can put a skull on, who can like

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move at a moderate pace.

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You need to look good in a leather jacket.

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They should get in the leather jacket.

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That's it.

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And also just show up to set with your face painted like a voodoo skull

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and not telling anyone you're going to do it.

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I love that.

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Thank you, man, so much.

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What a fucking weirdo. I love him.

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He's fantastic.

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OK, one of the one of the things that I hate about this movie

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and it's probably the only thing I hate about this movie.

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The writing is really fucking dumb.

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Like what writing exists is really stupid.

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It's pretty simple.

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It's meant to get us to the set pieces.

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Yeah, and it tries to make every line like a kind of clever one

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liner action hero note.

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And it kind of leans into like every everything that said needs to be funny.

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I mean, sometimes it kind of is.

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Did like the singular callback from what I felt

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in this movie to the original was when

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Ghost Rider knocks that guy down and like they run over him

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and he just kind of turns the camera and says, Roadkill.

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So good. I did like that.

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Very comic book.

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Yeah. Oh, is that the only line that Ghost Rider says that wasn't him

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like repeating?

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He also says, Hungry.

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Oh, that's right. Yep.

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Need to say hungry.

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I will say the penitent stare in this one doesn't carry the same weight

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as the first movie. It does not.

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And that needed a little something connecting their like little faces

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or mouths or would not have turned on Rebel Wilson.

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Something on the eyes.

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Yeah.

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My favorite line of dumb dialogue in this movie is

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when the devil at work, he

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talks to the kid, Danny, on the phone.

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And the kid then like screams and like passes out.

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And he basically tells Blackout,

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he says, Think of him as sort of a computer.

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You know, computers, right?

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When this movie is 2011, of course, he knows what the computer is.

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This isn't just been a movie in the mid 80s and find that line.

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I get it. But so weird.

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Not a place.

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I had a place.

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You know, it's just strange.

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My biggest issue with this film is

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Chekhov's flaming pee,

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because we see the idea of him using his pee as a flamethrower.

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We never see him use it on anybody.

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That would have been a great weapon.

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That would have been a great weapon.

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He was very poorly hydrated.

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I didn't see him drink water once during this.

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Oh, no, he has the pitcher of water.

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Yeah. Oh, that's a whole picture.

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That down. Yeah. So

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that scene with Danny in the diner where he just touches him for no reason.

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It's like, I thought I saw a bee on your head.

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I thought it was going to sting your face.

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Danny gets really attached to him really quick for reasons I don't understand.

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I mean, you saw the flamethrower.

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Daddy. That's true.

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But he doesn't he doesn't see it, right?

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It's just in his head.

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Just doesn't cut it all in his brain.

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He imagines it, I guess.

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He's got a good imagination.

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He's a kid who has no dad.

503
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Yeah. Just think about stuff.

504
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Yeah. And like you said,

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Johnny's cooler than most of the guys that his mom hangs out with.

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So that that's legitimately fair.

507
00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:49,040
Ghost Rider would be cool.

508
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,500
Cooler stepdad.

509
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:52,140
This comes after he tried to kill them, too.

510
00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:53,980
So that's true.

511
00:22:53,980 --> 00:22:56,440
I do like the moms

512
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,980
when she's rescuing Danny and that guy comes in and she throws the knife

513
00:22:59,980 --> 00:23:02,060
at the guy and the guy catches like, what are you going to do?

514
00:23:02,060 --> 00:23:03,720
And then she pulls the gun on him.

515
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,660
Yeah. Oh, no, I know.

516
00:23:05,660 --> 00:23:09,500
They allude to her connection with like an arms dealer or whatever

517
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:11,200
early in the movie.

518
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,800
But my my gripe or my concern with this movie is when she

519
00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:20,500
just somehow becomes like a competent sniper.

520
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:22,680
Like why? She's good.

521
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,880
Yeah. I mean, she did have to do it.

522
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,840
She missed. That's true.

523
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,880
She's a good one. Block.

524
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,640
I miss the the Ghost Rider point, though.

525
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,260
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

526
00:23:33,260 --> 00:23:35,360
From the first one.

527
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:36,980
Yeah, the weird bony boy.

528
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:39,720
I love a bony boy.

529
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,920
I will say probably in terms of a theatrical released film,

530
00:23:43,020 --> 00:23:45,600
the best Chris Lambert performance ever.

531
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,160
It almost it felt really wasted having Christopher Lambert in that role.

532
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,360
Yeah. Which is fine.

533
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,800
He was so he he performed it so well.

534
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,440
Just not what I usually expect from Chris Lambert.

535
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,140
Yeah. And I think it was.

536
00:24:00,140 --> 00:24:01,100
In the street.

537
00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:04,280
Yeah. If you're going to waste an actor, you might as well waste an actor

538
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,880
that nobody thinks of ever.

539
00:24:07,420 --> 00:24:10,820
I do like how they're like, oh, he was a Highlander.

540
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:11,820
Let's give him a sword.

541
00:24:11,820 --> 00:24:12,680
But he's also blind.

542
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,560
So let's make sure we give him a sword where no one is around.

543
00:24:17,620 --> 00:24:20,960
I did try and check to see how the makeup held up scene to scene,

544
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,820
because I remember when he first watched this, I read a thing

545
00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:25,500
where he didn't want to go through makeup every day.

546
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:28,360
So he didn't like wash off the tattoos.

547
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:30,900
Did you notice any difference?

548
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:31,800
No. Yeah.

549
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,900
I mean, also with a movie that had its budget cut, like you probably just were

550
00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:36,300
like, no, dude, don't take that.

551
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:39,080
Yeah. I mean, also his role is so short.

552
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,520
They probably just filmed it today.

553
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,980
Yeah. Or two days since he got to go to the hotel with it once at least.

554
00:24:45,580 --> 00:24:47,660
Oh, allegedly.

555
00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:50,260
I, you know, I really enjoy this movie.

556
00:24:50,260 --> 00:24:51,640
It's dumb. It's fun.

557
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,300
It's a good length.

558
00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:57,240
Yeah. It doesn't try to be anything that it's not.

559
00:24:57,740 --> 00:25:00,120
It's which I like in a dumb movie.

560
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:01,180
I don't like.

561
00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:03,240
Well, so like last week, we talked to her last episode.

562
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,740
We talked about mom and dad.

563
00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:09,420
And that was an hour and 20 movie that feels like an hour 45.

564
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,020
And this is an hour 30 movie that feels pretty crisp.

565
00:25:13,060 --> 00:25:15,500
Yeah. There's not a lot of fat on this movie.

566
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,760
Yeah. I mean, there's not a lot of words.

567
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:18,800
Yeah.

568
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,500
I'm saying it starts with a chase and it basically it just is a chase

569
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:24,800
the entire time for the most part.

570
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,800
They take it. They take that diner break.

571
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,740
And that's basically it.

572
00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:30,740
All right. That's not true, because halfway through,

573
00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:33,180
it does have a brief moment where it kind of turns into this like

574
00:25:33,540 --> 00:25:36,520
buddy road comedy for a little bit when they're riding down the car

575
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,140
and he just, I'll be catches up with them on his motorcycle

576
00:25:39,140 --> 00:25:41,620
and they're all just having a good laugh.

577
00:25:41,620 --> 00:25:43,060
That's kind of out of nowhere.

578
00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:45,280
But it's fun.

579
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,800
But the movie flies by.

580
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,960
So here's the real question, Chris.

581
00:25:50,660 --> 00:25:52,120
What's your hell vehicle?

582
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,600
It's a truck camel motorcycle.

583
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:57,600
Larger friend that puts you in a bjorn.

584
00:25:58,740 --> 00:26:01,700
That's mine. That's a good choice.

585
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:04,040
Mine's mine's Nick.

586
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,580
Oh, we're in a baby bjorn and I'm just like a rock in the front.

587
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,640
So it's just a hell, Nick. Yeah.

588
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,520
I want the Inceptor from Mad Max.

589
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:16,060
So that would work in hell, I think.

590
00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:18,240
That Max is basically how the.

591
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,500
Oh, the car gets destroyed in every film, so I don't know how reliable it is.

592
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:24,200
But it comes back every time.

593
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,180
So probably more of it's held out.

594
00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:27,640
It just comes back cooler.

595
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,820
It's fair. Yeah. From hell.

596
00:26:29,820 --> 00:26:32,080
Chris, you're from Portland, right?

597
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,080
I'm from Phoenix, but I mean, I live in Portland now.

598
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,960
OK, I was going to say, I feel like you should have picked one of those weird

599
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,560
tall bikes or a unicycle.

600
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,920
That's that would be sick. Yeah.

601
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,260
They there are already like lots of people are doing that.

602
00:26:45,260 --> 00:26:48,160
Like lots of people are doing flame spinning and shit there.

603
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,900
So why not just turn to hell unicycle?

604
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,340
Nick, what's your pick?

605
00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:55,340
Oh, who?

606
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,980
Probably one of those like stupid hoverboard things like, you know,

607
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,460
it's got two wheels and like you stand on it.

608
00:27:06,460 --> 00:27:10,080
But like every time I get on one, I can't like get my balance.

609
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,920
So I look like a frickin spinning dumbass

610
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,260
until I invariably fall off.

611
00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:18,700
But I think the power of hell would keep me on it

612
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:21,640
and I would really cruise on it.

613
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,560
So hoverboard.

614
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,140
Ninety three Geo prism.

615
00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:27,880
Don't ask me, don't ask me follow ups. OK.

616
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,680
It already is a healthy.

617
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,040
I kind of want to know what the body color is.

618
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,040
It's green.

619
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,180
That is exactly the color of my old roommate's Geo prism.

620
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:44,380
I have in my life owned three Geo prisms.

621
00:27:44,380 --> 00:27:45,380
Oh, OK.

622
00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:48,840
No, none of them have turned to hell vehicles.

623
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,420
Well, I mean, I could have died in all of them.

624
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:55,560
Fair. Now, the prism, we're a Geo podcast now.

625
00:27:56,180 --> 00:28:01,720
Is that a three cylinder like the Metro?

626
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,200
Or does it have all four like the storm?

627
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,500
I believe it has all four. Nice.

628
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:08,000
Yeah, right. Yeah.

629
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:08,940
It has the power.

630
00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:12,400
Yeah, the power. I was a Geo storm guy myself.

631
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,700
It was the hot rod or the

632
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:18,640
the the pussy magnet of the Geo range.

633
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,920
Naturally. Yeah.

634
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,880
No backseat. Oh, yeah.

635
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,420
Yeah. Hatchback. So good.

636
00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:27,420
We've watched Mom and Dad, you know, you can fucking that car.

637
00:28:27,980 --> 00:28:29,780
I can confirm.

638
00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:33,720
It's just as hard as you would think a six foot one

639
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,860
dude getting down in a Geo is.

640
00:28:35,860 --> 00:28:39,200
It's very difficult.

641
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,900
Um, I don't I love this film.

642
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:45,500
I I don't have much else to say other than it's great.

643
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,940
Go watch it.

644
00:28:47,540 --> 00:28:49,940
Yeah, Chris, any kind of final thoughts on this one?

645
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,340
It just feels like a movie that came 10 years too early or 10 years too late.

646
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,080
I get this movie to come out in the late 90s or potentially now.

647
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,020
I think it would I think it would be received better.

648
00:29:02,020 --> 00:29:04,360
But as it stands now, I think it's a ton of fun.

649
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,960
And and I just want to highlight my favorite part is

650
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,560
towards the end, doing that final chase when a ghost rider delivers a rock bottom

651
00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:17,500
to black out from one moving vehicle onto another moving vehicle.

652
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,840
You just don't see that enough in movies.

653
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,580
Oh, I have one huge complaint about this movie that I just remembered.

654
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:27,880
When he sends Rourke back to hell, he tells him to go home.

655
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,880
Yeah, it seems like a missed opportunity.

656
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:33,380
Rather than saying go to hell.

657
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:35,620
Yeah. But I think that's the joke.

658
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,420
It's like we all know he's going to hell.

659
00:29:37,420 --> 00:29:40,220
So instead, he's saying go home.

660
00:29:40,220 --> 00:29:42,600
I just for as cool as I'm going to be.

661
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,900
Every line of that movie tried to make it sound.

662
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:47,260
That was the one to really kind of.

663
00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:51,260
That's a joke that required you to think more than this movie deserves.

664
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:53,140
Yes. So.

665
00:29:53,140 --> 00:29:54,980
But I think about this movie a lot.

666
00:29:54,980 --> 00:29:58,280
Well, you guys know, at the end, his flames are blue.

667
00:29:58,580 --> 00:30:02,320
I guess that's because he's like he's good now or he has his soul back.

668
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,520
I'm sure.

669
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,260
Oh, man. Going back to the mid 90s, he's got that angel fire.

670
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,080
Yeah, that's right.

671
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,080
I've ever used cities, but it's fine.

672
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,020
Me too. I was.

673
00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:13,160
A city's guy.

674
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,520
Geocities rocked with my.

675
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,860
Oh, fire was fucking assholes.

676
00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:18,200
Keeping with our geo theme.

677
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,320
Yeah, right.

678
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,200
Geos only.

679
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,500
Geo podcast.

680
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:23,840
And now we're talking about geocaching.

681
00:30:23,860 --> 00:30:26,800
Yeah. And geolocation.

682
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,980
OK, so on the the matrix of good movie, good cage performance, bad movie,

683
00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:34,180
good, bad, bad, good, good.

684
00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:38,660
I think that that good movie, great movie, amazing, fun, awesome movie

685
00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:40,260
for in terms of cage performance.

686
00:30:40,260 --> 00:30:42,860
I'm going to say the same thing that I did with mom and dad is just like

687
00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:46,720
he's giving the performance that is expected of him and that the director wants.

688
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,660
Like, it's not scratching at the door.

689
00:30:49,660 --> 00:30:52,260
Yeah, it's it's hammy.

690
00:30:52,260 --> 00:30:53,700
It's it's campy.

691
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:55,840
And I am here for it.

692
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,740
I think it's a good movie and

693
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,140
a great performance.

694
00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:04,080
But I think it works like this.

695
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,340
A hamminess works so much better in this than it does in something like mom and dad.

696
00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:11,160
I don't know. Mom and dad.

697
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,860
I still I will put it on my fucking tombstone.

698
00:31:15,220 --> 00:31:16,960
Not a great movie.

699
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:17,920
It's not a great movie.

700
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,900
It's not even a fun movie.

701
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:21,160
I got an 11.

702
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,700
Yeah, we only got an 11 there saying that mom and dad's not a great movie.

703
00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:26,700
Yeah, very hot take.

704
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:30,300
Yeah. Well, you know, I went back, I said, not a fun movie.

705
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:33,080
Yeah. Chris, what do you think on this one?

706
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,380
So I would say a flaws aside, budget being cut, I still think it's a good movie.

707
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:41,320
But I'm pretty simple. If I like it, it's good.

708
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,320
I don't care if it's stupid or quote unquote bad.

709
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,180
If I like it, it's good.

710
00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:47,160
And I think it's a great cage performance.

711
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,860
I think he knows what he's doing.

712
00:31:49,860 --> 00:31:51,160
He does it well.

713
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,700
And I think it lets him play in that.

714
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:57,340
He gets to do those facial expressions and do all that weird German stuff

715
00:31:57,340 --> 00:32:01,600
that he loves while being a superhero that he also loves.

716
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,680
I can't recommend it's like I would describe this movie of

717
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,620
if if an Iron Maiden album cover came to life,

718
00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:12,380
it would be Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance, I think. Yeah.

719
00:32:12,780 --> 00:32:14,320
Oh, I like that.

720
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,420
So if you can only see two two Ghost Rider movies in your life,

721
00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:19,860
just watch this one twice. Yes.

722
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaking of segues, Connor.

723
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,600
Man, I love your new format.

724
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,560
It's so efficient.

725
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:31,200
No one's even mentioned segues.

726
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,340
We were talking about hoverboards, Sean.

727
00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:34,440
Oh, hell's a different.

728
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,380
That was going to be when I get it.

729
00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:39,140
I'm like, I should do a segue now, but we were still talking about it.

730
00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:43,180
Be better at setups.

731
00:32:43,180 --> 00:32:45,120
Not for you.

732
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,220
Health segue would be so fucking lame.

733
00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:49,620
It would just like go faster up a hill,

734
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,620
but very stable.

735
00:32:51,620 --> 00:32:55,560
Can you imagine how cool you would look like rolling down by the pier like?

736
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,000
On a hell segue.

737
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,100
They'd still have to wear the hell helmet, though.

738
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:01,700
Yeah, the helmet.

739
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:03,540
My god damn it.

740
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:05,440
Thanks for that setup.

741
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,240
That I think.

742
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,380
So, Con Air, a

743
00:33:12,380 --> 00:33:14,140
fucking love con.

744
00:33:14,140 --> 00:33:17,080
This movie is astounding.

745
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,480
Ah, you're warming up again.

746
00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:22,880
I loved Con Air the first time.

747
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,260
You just hate Garland Green.

748
00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:26,120
I can't wait to talk about Garland Green.

749
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,860
Garland Green serves no fucking purpose.

750
00:33:27,860 --> 00:33:29,560
Thank God we're talking about it first.

751
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,200
Let's get Garland Green is incredible.

752
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,700
He fills the Hannibal Lecter role of the psychopaths on the airplane.

753
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:39,840
Used it all in this film.

754
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,440
It doesn't have to be.

755
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,740
It's just like a menagerie of psychos on an airplane

756
00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:51,820
that all like fit into different, I don't know, film shits.

757
00:33:51,820 --> 00:33:54,880
And we're supposed to feel good about him just being loose

758
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:55,920
at the end of this film.

759
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,160
It's going to be president next year.

760
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,660
Terrific. Yeah.

761
00:33:58,660 --> 00:34:01,400
Chris, what are your feelings on Garland Green?

762
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,660
I mean, I'm pro Garland Green.

763
00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:04,700
It's like anytime you can.

764
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:05,800
Nothing wrong.

765
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,460
Yeah, yeah, we he was probably set up, first of all,

766
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:10,740
because he had it.

767
00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:12,600
She's yeah.

768
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,680
Allegedly, he's the most he's the most.

769
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,600
You were a child's head across.

770
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,080
He just said it was a woman's head.

771
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:18,940
Let's be specific.

772
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:19,640
Said girl.

773
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,680
But yeah, she did.

774
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:21,640
She does say girl.

775
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,540
But he didn't say that he killed her.

776
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:25,820
He could have found that head.

777
00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:27,360
He could have found that head. Yeah.

778
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,320
Yeah. I mean, if I had a vehicle for every head I found and war,

779
00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:34,120
he had an opportunity to kill.

780
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,560
He did not.

781
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,160
He was the most sane person on that plane.

782
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:41,440
Why the fuck was that little girl living there?

783
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,000
I don't know.

784
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,960
I mean, there were all sorts of people that lived around.

785
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,600
That's true.

786
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,000
It's probably the dude under the truck.

787
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,940
Yeah.

788
00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:49,880
My wife and I watched this

789
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,540
couple of days ago, and that scene, she was like clutching me.

790
00:34:53,540 --> 00:34:56,180
She was like, no, the little girl.

791
00:34:56,180 --> 00:35:01,680
As Garland Green says, most murders are like a crime of necessity.

792
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,460
Not done out of passion.

793
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:05,420
I do like his little like witticisms.

794
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:07,320
I don't I don't hate the character.

795
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,660
It's just it.

796
00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:12,000
I want I wanted a tighter story.

797
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:12,500
That's all.

798
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:15,600
I'm going to get a full chest Garland Green tattoo.

799
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,840
I hope you do.

800
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,440
Steve Buscemi's big bug eyes.

801
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,700
Yeah.

802
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:23,780
Definitely still looking in different directions for some reason.

803
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,340
Can't fix that with tattoos.

804
00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:28,620
Your nipples.

805
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,380
Oh, man.

806
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:34,160
Yeah, this movie is pretty good.

807
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,360
I had a good time with it the first time.

808
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,760
I had forgotten like how much I actually do enjoy how stupid and fun it is.

809
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,520
Yeah, it's a little too long for my taste, but, you know,

810
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,040
I always think all these movies are too long because I'm grumpy and old now.

811
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,400
This movie is great.

812
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,440
It starts with it starts at an oil rig that just produces fire.

813
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,840
As they're supposed to, as they're supposed to.

814
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,480
He gets seven years for killing a man in self-defense.

815
00:36:02,180 --> 00:36:04,880
Yeah, that is such a dumb conceit of this entire thing.

816
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,820
Everything in this movie is a dumb fucking conceit.

817
00:36:06,820 --> 00:36:09,320
None of this movie makes sense when you talk about it.

818
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:11,620
I mean, it's a reason for him to have long hair.

819
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:13,360
I do like that.

820
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,560
So, Chris, what was your your first experience with Conair?

821
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,560
Well, I don't know, my first six, my technically first experience

822
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,840
was just seeing part of it when I went to see Face Off.

823
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Because I saw the drive in and so Connick, because Conair came out

824
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,940
the week before Face Off, which is insane to think about that.

825
00:36:27,940 --> 00:36:31,480
Conair opened in theaters and then a week later, Face Off opened.

826
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,980
So I remember very strong here.

827
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,820
So I remember seeing part of it then.

828
00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:40,220
I don't know when I first watched it,

829
00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:43,460
but I'm a big fan, a big fan of Conair.

830
00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:47,000
And the thing I think is most interesting is actually like this is the movie.

831
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:50,980
That this is a movie that made Cage kind of an action star.

832
00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:54,540
You know, The Rock came out the year before, two years before.

833
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:57,880
But in that, you know, that's still Sean Connery and Michael Bay.

834
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,120
And Cage is kind of like the nerdy character.

835
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,420
Conair kind of turned him into an action star.

836
00:37:04,420 --> 00:37:08,220
And I think it's the movie that people kind of think of when they think of.

837
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,560
Cage is this kind of like over the top actor

838
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,700
that chews a lot of scenery.

839
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:20,600
But despite his his accent, Cage is like pretty reserved

840
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,980
and subtle in this movie compared to the rest of the cast.

841
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,280
Like John C.

842
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,440
Jack is the one who goes over the top, I think.

843
00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:28,680
Yeah, that's pretty accurate.

844
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,380
I think everyone does like Nicholas Cage is pretty sedate in this film

845
00:37:32,380 --> 00:37:35,720
and doesn't even have that much that many lines all in all.

846
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,120
It's actually a pretty restrained Ving Rhames performance, too,

847
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,400
given that the other ones that we've seen with him,

848
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,020
he's a lot more over the top.

849
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:47,000
Yeah. Well, compared to bringing up the dead, for sure.

850
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:50,460
Yeah. OK, so let's talk about the Rogues Gallery.

851
00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:51,760
Cyrus, the virus.

852
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,540
You know, played by John Malcovich, Malcovich, Malcovich

853
00:37:55,580 --> 00:37:58,080
really steals this film.

854
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,180
He is a terrific villain.

855
00:38:01,180 --> 00:38:04,840
Yeah, he's got great villain face, great villain goatee.

856
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,420
He gets to talk about his stinking breath when killing children.

857
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,380
That's cool.

858
00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:14,920
I love the anecdote about Malcovich getting the script

859
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,700
and like being with his buddy who was also like his script reader advisor

860
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:21,900
or whatever, and he just immediately chucks it.

861
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:24,160
And then his friends like, good, that's a piece of shit.

862
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,340
And he's like, no, no, I'm doing now.

863
00:38:26,340 --> 00:38:28,140
I just don't need to read it.

864
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,600
I got it from page one.

865
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,940
Yeah, perfect.

866
00:38:31,940 --> 00:38:36,120
I do like after Dave Chappelle's character Pinball dies

867
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:40,080
and like when he finds out pinball, he's like, Oh, I like pinball,

868
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,380
even though he fucking I cannot get over the fact that they made a fake Dave Chappelle.

869
00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:48,260
Oh, man. And it looks so bad, too.

870
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,060
You know, at this point, though, I take fake Dave Chappelle any day of the week.

871
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,600
Yeah, true enough.

872
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,420
This is a much more promising Dave Chappelle.

873
00:38:56,420 --> 00:38:59,540
Yeah. Also, I think it's actually pretty clever the way

874
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,640
Cameron Powe uses Dave Chappelle to write a note

875
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,080
to exactly that's pretty smart for as dumb as this movie is.

876
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,240
That's a that seems like a smart thing to do.

877
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,620
I mean, there's a lot of collateral damage potentially from that.

878
00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:17,420
But yes, I was trying to think when did Cameron Powe

879
00:39:18,260 --> 00:39:20,060
learn about QSAC?

880
00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:21,400
Like, when did he know?

881
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,860
Like, how did he know his name?

882
00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:23,620
Like, write him the note.

883
00:39:23,620 --> 00:39:26,760
He overheard because he was in the cabin for a second.

884
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,500
He overheard them talking to Larkin.

885
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:29,940
That's what I had to.

886
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:31,900
Yeah. OK.

887
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:34,900
You know, this really gets me thinking is like.

888
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:39,480
That is a lot of collateral damage all over one guy's insulin shot.

889
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:41,920
Like he loves baby.

890
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,020
Yeah, he loves baby.

891
00:39:43,020 --> 00:39:44,240
And that's great.

892
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,460
They shared snowballs, which was wildly irresponsible.

893
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,960
Nicholas Cage is Cameron Powe responsible for baby's diabetes.

894
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:52,620
Could be.

895
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:55,560
Got him on those snowballs.

896
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,820
He doesn't know they're called snowballs.

897
00:39:57,820 --> 00:39:59,640
Yeah, just those pink things.

898
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,500
Yeah, those pink thing where they don't allow to say snow.

899
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:02,940
No, because they show the packaging.

900
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:03,900
Yeah. Right.

901
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:04,840
Show the back.

902
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,580
Like you could just read it.

903
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:08,040
Oh, both of these movies feature hostess.

904
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,440
Like, yeah.

905
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,720
I want to talk about, you know, going back to.

906
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:13,320
Sorry to.

907
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:13,840
To go to.

908
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,820
A lot.

909
00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:18,480
I fucking hate the way he eats that Twinkie and Ghost Rider.

910
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,560
Smashes it open.

911
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,620
Yeah. And then like fucking suck tubes it out.

912
00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:24,020
Gross.

913
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:25,200
So I said to.

914
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,720
I will say suck tube more in my life now.

915
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,600
Suck tube is now a part of my common vernacular.

916
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,340
Please.

917
00:40:33,340 --> 00:40:35,780
Got my lexicon.

918
00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:36,940
I do love that.

919
00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:40,240
What you got in Ghost Rider, though, where he touches a sandwich

920
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,920
and it immediately rots and he touches the apple and in a meteor

921
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,020
rot, he touches a Twinkie and it doesn't rot because it's already trash.

922
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:51,120
He was also only touching the packaging for the Twinkie.

923
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,460
But should also have like broken down.

924
00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:54,660
It's plastic.

925
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:57,100
It would take a long time.

926
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,860
Hold it for a minute.

927
00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:01,300
Just long enough to suck tube it.

928
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:04,500
Also, the rules of what he what like degrades

929
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:07,940
when he touches it were wildly in concise inconsistent.

930
00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:09,100
Yeah.

931
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,880
OK, let's get back to Conair.

932
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,980
It's wildly inconsistent.

933
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,220
Yeah. So we were talking about

934
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,060
our damage, Malcovich.

935
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:21,920
Boom. OK, we've talked about Malcovich.

936
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,060
All done. Pinball done. Baby.

937
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:25,960
Oh, done. Well, he's not.

938
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,500
He's not Rogues gallery.

939
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:31,500
I mean, he's still a criminal, but yeah, he is kind of well, true.

940
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,460
He is kind of a villain.

941
00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:36,840
In his own right, because he has diabetes.

942
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:38,900
Yeah. Yeah, gross.

943
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:41,600
The police and or the guards in this film villains,

944
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,640
all of them, except for the lady guard.

945
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,480
Yeah, she's cool. Yeah.

946
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,840
Ship. Yeah, Bishop is good.

947
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,220
That dude with the mustache, what an asshole.

948
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:53,880
What's that? OK.

949
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,720
I always forget this guy's name, the one who is flying the plane.

950
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,520
Swamp Thing Swamp Thing.

951
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,400
What's so MC Ganey, MC Ganey.

952
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,800
OK, he's a Ganey fucking love a good MC Ganey.

953
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,300
So here is everything.

954
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:07,560
He is awesome.

955
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,480
He is my favorite trash human being.

956
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,740
He is always sorry, Sean.

957
00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:15,040
You've been replaced no matter what.

958
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,240
But yeah, he's fucking awesome. I love MC Ganey.

959
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:18,840
I miss my mustache.

960
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaking of things that didn't age well from the 90s,

961
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,000
the flamboyant queer character, queer villain.

962
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,780
Well, we talked about this, I think.

963
00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:30,580
Yeah, with my brother.

964
00:42:30,580 --> 00:42:32,440
Yeah. Sally can't dance.

965
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:38,820
The character is based on a real life person

966
00:42:39,780 --> 00:42:45,400
who was like, I don't know, gender queer or something in the prison system.

967
00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:48,760
So quit hating on the gays.

968
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,100
Still not a great representation. Yeah.

969
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,800
It's very much of its time.

970
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:54,740
Yeah. Yeah.

971
00:42:54,740 --> 00:42:57,080
I mean, it's usually the rock.

972
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,540
I think that, yeah.

973
00:42:59,540 --> 00:43:01,940
The hairdresser and the hairdresser.

974
00:43:01,940 --> 00:43:04,880
I think the only thing with Sally can't dance that's kind of shitty

975
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,160
is just that he slaps her versus it's like, oh, well, that's a lady.

976
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,660
Well, she did not try to set him on fire.

977
00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:14,760
That's true. So no, no punching.

978
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,860
Good. Off the table.

979
00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:18,000
You get punched, Dave Chappelle, though.

980
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:18,960
Because he did set someone.

981
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,760
He did set someone on fire.

982
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,460
Yeah. Fucking punch Dave Chappelle.

983
00:43:22,460 --> 00:43:24,460
You heard it here, folks.

984
00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:27,260
Or set him on fire.

985
00:43:27,260 --> 00:43:28,900
Either one is fine.

986
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:31,300
Yeah, it's tit for tat at that point, right?

987
00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:34,580
Yeah. Pretty sure he called the Native American guy, Coach Ease also.

988
00:43:34,580 --> 00:43:38,380
He did. He was he was very.

989
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:39,620
He was very nice.

990
00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:41,840
Yeah. To who'd have guessed?

991
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,840
Chappelle.

992
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:46,080
Shocking all of us.

993
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,220
The foresight of Conair.

994
00:43:50,220 --> 00:43:52,760
They've only we'd listened.

995
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,500
I think my only beef with this entire movie, like it's it's popcorn,

996
00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:58,940
like from start to finish.

997
00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:00,700
I think it is just a little too long.

998
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:03,740
I think you could have ended it after the plane crashes.

999
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:06,680
I don't think you need that last fire truck fight.

1000
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,780
And also the like smasher that is just there.

1001
00:44:10,780 --> 00:44:11,880
Are you kidding me?

1002
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:18,260
V, you mean definitively the best death in a film ever?

1003
00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:20,600
I'm going to stab you through the ankle.

1004
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,240
I'm going to run you through a raise you up on a ladder

1005
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:30,340
so that you go flying through a bridge, somehow losing the handcuff.

1006
00:44:30,340 --> 00:44:32,380
Like you're now uncuffed. Whatever.

1007
00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:38,040
It's cool because you're going to land on like perfectly high voltage

1008
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,380
transmission wires.

1009
00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:40,640
You're going to get shocked.

1010
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,980
But guess what? You're not dead.

1011
00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:47,420
You're landing on a conveyor belt in a smasher and we're going to bust you.

1012
00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:49,920
That's so fucking cool.

1013
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,200
No, this movie needs that, Peter.

1014
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,200
You're wrong. It's like they take out the take out the fire truck part

1015
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,200
or like take out the airplane crash or something like just remove

1016
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,400
one of the other elements.

1017
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,460
Now, that's all perfect.

1018
00:44:59,460 --> 00:45:02,000
Now, we need to remove is.

1019
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Don't say Garland Green.

1020
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,200
I'm not going to say Garland Green.

1021
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,200
I'm not talking about.

1022
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,740
All the issue and is the hand cut his his arm.

1023
00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:11,220
His arm should have been like ripped off when he flew.

1024
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:12,120
Oh, man.

1025
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,380
It's perfect.

1026
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:16,380
If it makes sense, physically tore his hand off

1027
00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:18,960
and then he went through the bridge and got shocked.

1028
00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:21,600
Oh, that would have been so much cooler.

1029
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,900
Yeah, that would have elevated this movie.

1030
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:26,460
Just add that one little bit.

1031
00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:27,740
There's room for expansion.

1032
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:30,000
There's just so many like.

1033
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,340
I went through a bridge at four in the morning.

1034
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:34,080
I don't give a fuck.

1035
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,140
There's just so many parts within the narrative.

1036
00:45:36,140 --> 00:45:39,240
And again, Nick, before you fucking get mad at me for this,

1037
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,640
I do genuinely love this film,

1038
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,780
but there are just so many parts in the story that you just have to ignore

1039
00:45:44,780 --> 00:45:49,460
or they have to just create reasons to keep the movie going,

1040
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,720
to keep the plot going.

1041
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:55,120
And I'm just like, we can just streamline some of this and we lose nothing.

1042
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,860
Sure.

1043
00:45:57,860 --> 00:46:01,960
You there are definitely things that could have been edited out.

1044
00:46:02,140 --> 00:46:03,640
Like I was talking to Peter about it.

1045
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,900
And Peter's like, we don't need cool.

1046
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:06,600
Meaning I'm like, no, you need to mean you rewatch it.

1047
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,700
You don't need cool. Meaning.

1048
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:10,140
No. I mean, he has some funny lines, I guess.

1049
00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:13,440
How many of these films do you own, Chris?

1050
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,440
I'm pretty sure I own.

1051
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,020
If it's available on Blu-ray, I have it.

1052
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,520
Nice for cage.

1053
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,620
I want to talk about the collateral damage a little bit.

1054
00:46:23,620 --> 00:46:24,820
So we talked about it a little bit.

1055
00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:28,660
This movie definitely has some of the most collateral damage of any movie.

1056
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,200
And there's actually a great part where they're one to shoot down

1057
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,740
the plane over an empty desert.

1058
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:36,540
And they're like, look,

1059
00:46:36,540 --> 00:46:38,460
these people will die, but we'll save so many lives.

1060
00:46:38,460 --> 00:46:40,200
And Q's acts like, no, don't do it.

1061
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,700
Don't do it.

1062
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:45,080
And obviously, it crashes into the Vegas.

1063
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:49,840
Old Vegas, I think, is where it crashes through the layout of Vegas.

1064
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,280
No sense. Fremont.

1065
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,220
Area. Yeah.

1066
00:46:53,220 --> 00:46:57,560
Because you get the the LED screen with the jets and everything.

1067
00:46:58,220 --> 00:47:01,000
What's the area that has the most smashers for people's heads?

1068
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,860
But what I like about it is at the end, after everything happens,

1069
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:11,160
Q's act comments, he makes he makes a comment about like,

1070
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,020
yeah, you know what, maybe we should have maybe made more sense

1071
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:15,660
to just shoot it down.

1072
00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:18,560
I can't remember the exact line, but he comments on the fact that

1073
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,540
they created a lot more damage by letting it go.

1074
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,180
Yeah, my wife was really the whole plane crashing scene.

1075
00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:28,400
She was just like the casualty.

1076
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,980
Well, they were trying to drive the airplane towards the airport

1077
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:36,180
because there was a landing strip that was going to be completely clear for them.

1078
00:47:36,180 --> 00:47:39,820
But Ganey was like, Nope, we're landing on the strip.

1079
00:47:39,820 --> 00:47:41,620
And the word is crash.

1080
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,900
Swamping. Yeah, I fucking love it.

1081
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:50,200
To be fair, I don't think he I think they they were going down, right?

1082
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,400
They lost an engine. I think. Yeah.

1083
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,340
Come on, Swamp Thing is not going to just crash into people.

1084
00:47:55,340 --> 00:47:56,640
He's a good guy.

1085
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,300
He would have went to the airport if he could make it.

1086
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:02,740
Swamp Thing did nothing. If he had the option, he would have run to the airport.

1087
00:48:02,740 --> 00:48:04,540
He did the best he could.

1088
00:48:04,540 --> 00:48:08,180
I think Conair also has maybe the highest ratio of like dudes

1089
00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:11,620
walking away from explosions in any movie.

1090
00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:13,580
Oh, it's got some really good ones.

1091
00:48:13,580 --> 00:48:16,720
There are. Yeah, there are a lot of explosions and dudes who walk away from them.

1092
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,100
Yeah, almost.

1093
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:21,900
I think everyone virtually everyone in the main cast gets to walk away

1094
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:25,660
from at least one explosion and QZAC and cage both gets a dive.

1095
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:31,140
Yeah, I was really disappointed with Nicolas Cage running away from the explosion

1096
00:48:31,140 --> 00:48:35,980
there at the Lerner Air Air Base or whatever,

1097
00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:41,020
because I mean, you could tell there was like a green screen or whatever.

1098
00:48:41,020 --> 00:48:45,280
Like he was just, I don't know, emotionally dead.

1099
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,480
He could have been jogging to the restroom.

1100
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,360
No, because you have some sense of urgency in that.

1101
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:56,920
He just had like such a placid face like, I'm just going for a stroll.

1102
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,200
It's the most obvious use of green screen in the movie, too.

1103
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,060
It's like that's the one where it really does stand out.

1104
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:08,280
I would also say the when QZAC's in the prison and the bomb goes off.

1105
00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:09,700
Oh, sure.

1106
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:12,480
Because the door like flips over him and like slams into the wall.

1107
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:16,420
And then when the plane goes down and the propeller comes loose

1108
00:49:16,420 --> 00:49:18,320
and it comes right. Oh, right between.

1109
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,120
That was sick, though. Yeah. I enjoyed that.

1110
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,760
I also like that QZAC wears brick and stocks.

1111
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,820
This whole which is his choice.

1112
00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:29,760
I love his giant suit as well.

1113
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,360
Those are the way straight up prison slippers.

1114
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,900
Like they're made of plastic and they're definitely not comfortable.

1115
00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:42,100
Yeah, apparently QZAC was like, I'll do this movie, but I get to wear brick and stocks.

1116
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,480
So gross.

1117
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,580
He compared it to Charleston Heston and like the old like sword and sandal movies and stuff.

1118
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,320
I think it's a fun, fun little touch.

1119
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,880
I mean, that is

1120
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,380
it's definitely interesting.

1121
00:49:57,380 --> 00:49:58,620
I enjoy QZAC.

1122
00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:01,160
He's a weird, weird guy.

1123
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,160
This is just one of two QZAC cage overlaps, though.

1124
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,960
Yeah, just this in frozen ground, right?

1125
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,660
Yeah. There's also a minor.

1126
00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:10,700
No, our arsenal.

1127
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:12,940
Oh, OK. Yeah, that's not on ours.

1128
00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:15,600
Yeah, we didn't end up putting that in the bracket, but yeah.

1129
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,440
Yeah, there's also a minor.

1130
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,040
Arsenal's not great. So that makes sense.

1131
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,140
Well, good. I'm glad we didn't put it in.

1132
00:50:23,140 --> 00:50:24,020
Don't worry. I own it.

1133
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:26,820
We can watch it any time. Fantastic.

1134
00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:29,680
I did a giveaway of our son. I gave me like three copies of those.

1135
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,420
I have a VHS copy of City of Angels just begging to be given away.

1136
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,960
I can't give it away. It was a Christmas gift.

1137
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,940
The fact that you have a VHS of it, you do have to just like frame it.

1138
00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:45,340
Put it in a shadow. Yeah, probably.

1139
00:50:45,340 --> 00:50:50,480
Yeah. Whenever I buckled down and purchased my replica of the beast,

1140
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,640
I'll get a shadow box for City of Angels as well.

1141
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,740
Perfect. Put it right next to it.

1142
00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:57,240
Place of honor.

1143
00:50:57,580 --> 00:51:00,060
It's like, wow, Nick, you have very diverse taste.

1144
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,260
For Nicholas Cage.

1145
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,960
So within the matrix of good, bad, bad, good, where do we want to put this one?

1146
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:16,440
I'm going to stick with terrific film.

1147
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:18,600
Terrific cage.

1148
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,780
I say terrific film.

1149
00:51:20,780 --> 00:51:22,540
Scattershot cage.

1150
00:51:22,540 --> 00:51:26,040
Yeah, I'll wait for my defense.

1151
00:51:26,380 --> 00:51:28,940
I would go excellent film. Excellent cage.

1152
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:31,680
I think I'm with with Nick and Chris on this one.

1153
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,020
I think it's a pretty excellent performance.

1154
00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:36,820
I think the accent work is really shitty, but it doesn't matter.

1155
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,720
We we've never gone to Nicholas Cage for accent work.

1156
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,060
Never like unless he's a Boston cop.

1157
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,000
Oh, he nails that one. Yeah.

1158
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,920
Never been working on it.

1159
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,700
His accent. And this is interesting, too, because it like sometimes he goes into

1160
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:55,160
it is raising Arizona accent, which also doesn't make any sense.

1161
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,740
Is some like I don't know anyone from Arizona that talks like that.

1162
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,080
Whatever that accent is that he's doing, but it it doesn't matter.

1163
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:04,140
It's still excellent.

1164
00:52:04,140 --> 00:52:07,380
Yeah, he's never been able to put an accent to a location.

1165
00:52:08,420 --> 00:52:12,480
Well, but you know, he gets out there and he does it.

1166
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,480
He just tries, man. I respect it. Yeah.

1167
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,160
But I really think that being

1168
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,660
just a straight action film like this, he

1169
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:28,860
he was also like what this came out before face off, he said.

1170
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,460
Yeah, the week before.

1171
00:52:30,460 --> 00:52:32,940
So it's like he got to

1172
00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:36,060
do something a little different with an action film like this.

1173
00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:41,140
And, you know, it's it's not as woozy, wowsy, wild.

1174
00:52:41,140 --> 00:52:44,740
But it's it's a great action film performance.

1175
00:52:45,420 --> 00:52:47,840
I would have put him up against Stallone any day.

1176
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,120
He's jacked as fuck.

1177
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,720
Well, yeah, it would, because right before this, he did

1178
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,760
Wedwalk West bringing out the not bringing out the dead.

1179
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,820
We just talked with Kiss of Death was around this time as well.

1180
00:52:59,820 --> 00:53:00,720
That's why he's so.

1181
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,300
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1182
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:03,200
But yeah.

1183
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,100
Yeah, he does that thing where he's like sitting cross legged on the ground

1184
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:09,340
and just like lifts himself up with his arms.

1185
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,000
He's just holding himself up.

1186
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,600
Oh, just on his fingertips.

1187
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,480
Yeah, that made my arthritis hurt.

1188
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,480
It's a bit of a sort of a trombo movie, right?

1189
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,380
I think people kind of remember it more as a cage vehicle,

1190
00:53:24,380 --> 00:53:27,080
but it's really about the whole the whole whole cast.

1191
00:53:27,780 --> 00:53:29,520
Yeah, the sum of its parts.

1192
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,120
Yeah, it's nothing without Garland Green.

1193
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,720
Yeah, exactly.

1194
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:36,700
And speaking of the vehicle, the plane kind of looks like the plane from Tellspin

1195
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,060
a little bit. Oh, it does.

1196
00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:41,000
Very similar design.

1197
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,940
I don't know if the Jerry Brockheimer produced Tellspin.

1198
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,340
I would not be shocked to find out, but I don't think so.

1199
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,040
I really want that to be true, though.

1200
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:51,880
Yeah. Yeah.

1201
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,580
Jerry Brockheimer produced Tellspin movie.

1202
00:53:54,580 --> 00:53:56,820
Hmm. Not until we get national.

1203
00:53:58,140 --> 00:54:00,220
Yeah. Could be the same thing.

1204
00:54:00,220 --> 00:54:02,660
Oh, we're going to get turned up on board.

1205
00:54:04,420 --> 00:54:07,200
So at this point, I'm kind of curious, Chris,

1206
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,800
what is your favorite cage movie?

1207
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,540
I know you did the bracket yourself and Raising Arizona came out on top, but like

1208
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,140
that was six years ago, and it's been a very productive six years.

1209
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,540
It has been. Yeah.

1210
00:54:19,540 --> 00:54:22,440
I really stopped doing that column at like the wrong time

1211
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:27,320
because he really like got like a second wind right around the time they stopped.

1212
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,920
A Rosing Arizona is my favorite cage movie.

1213
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,000
I've got a top four that's pretty solid.

1214
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,120
And the fifth is like kind of varies.

1215
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,780
But Raising Arizona, Wild at Heart, Valley Girl, Face Off.

1216
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:42,580
Those are my top four.

1217
00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:47,100
Easy number five kind of fluctuates.

1218
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:49,460
Adaptation, bringing out the dead.

1219
00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:52,100
The two that most common that I would say.

1220
00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:53,160
Oh, no crap.

1221
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,840
Did we got Red Rock West?

1222
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,840
Red Rock West is amazing.

1223
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,000
Red Rock West is number five.

1224
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,880
So bringing out the dead and adaptation, battle it out for number six.

1225
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,940
Fair. I'm glad you mentioned Valley Girl.

1226
00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:06,840
I think that one is a little underrated.

1227
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,740
Valley Girl was such a great film.

1228
00:55:08,740 --> 00:55:11,480
It just went up against Vampire's Kiss for us.

1229
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,620
And that was unfortunate.

1230
00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:14,920
It's just bracketology, right?

1231
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,460
Like it hit a fucking top seat or well, not even a top seat

1232
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:22,360
because that one's not rated crazy well, but it's that movie is fantastic.

1233
00:55:22,820 --> 00:55:24,900
But yeah, Valley Girl is a lot of fun.

1234
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:27,340
And I still I listen to the Sparks album.

1235
00:55:27,340 --> 00:55:29,860
They feature on that one all the time.

1236
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:32,640
Valley Girl is a great example, too, because I think,

1237
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,620
you know, when Cage started doing, you know, it's kind of like

1238
00:55:36,620 --> 00:55:39,780
I think Wicker Man is kind of when like Cage's star

1239
00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:41,680
kind of start to drop a little bit

1240
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,060
and he started doing more direct to video stuff and started getting more negative reviews.

1241
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:48,560
I think that's around the same time that people started

1242
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,900
kind of like latching on to this idea that Cage always goes over the top.

1243
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,400
He'll do anything.

1244
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,460
And this is a new thing.

1245
00:55:54,460 --> 00:55:57,560
But if you watch Valley Girl, he's been the same actor.

1246
00:55:58,100 --> 00:55:59,660
He's always had that in him.

1247
00:55:59,660 --> 00:56:02,540
He has plenty. He has a cage freak out in Valley Girl.

1248
00:56:02,780 --> 00:56:06,480
It's no different than anything you would see in Ghost Rider.

1249
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:09,780
Yeah. Well, he even got to like break out a little bit

1250
00:56:09,780 --> 00:56:12,480
and say like Peggy Sue got married and.

1251
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,180
Yeah, that's a great example, too.

1252
00:56:14,180 --> 00:56:17,080
A lot of his older works. He's got great examples. Yeah. Yeah.

1253
00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:21,620
Yeah. So of these two films and keep in mind,

1254
00:56:21,620 --> 00:56:25,120
your opinion does not matter in this context, but which film would you like to see go ahead?

1255
00:56:25,820 --> 00:56:28,220
This is actually really tough.

1256
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:32,060
I feel like on one hand, I want to see Conair because I have some more

1257
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:35,940
like pop cultural significance to it.

1258
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,700
But I'm going to go Ghost Rider because I just love it more.

1259
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,900
I'd rather watch Ghost Rider more.

1260
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:44,840
It's more fun for me.

1261
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,280
It's more cage.

1262
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,820
And I think Conair is less cage

1263
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,320
than deserving for this bracket.

1264
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,560
So I would Ghost Rider, Spirit of Vengeance would get my vote.

1265
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:02,060
Like I was thinking about this and Conair is definitely the much more memeable film.

1266
00:57:02,060 --> 00:57:04,160
It's the one like you say, Nicolas Cage.

1267
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,000
People are going to think the hair and the just that.

1268
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,440
But it really is more of an ensemble cast and he doesn't have

1269
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:12,900
the most screen time in it.

1270
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:18,140
And when you take Ghost Rider, which is a tight film,

1271
00:57:18,140 --> 00:57:21,040
very little fat to cut off, you know, campy dialogue,

1272
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,980
but is just a blast from start to finish.

1273
00:57:25,420 --> 00:57:27,360
I'd have to go Ghost Rider as well.

1274
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:32,660
Hmm. Yeah, I've struggled with this one a lot.

1275
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,300
I think based on most of my

1276
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,200
my metrics that I've used in the past, which are wildly conflicting,

1277
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:47,740
I think I want to go Conair

1278
00:57:47,740 --> 00:57:52,080
because if I'm thinking about this as a movie, I'm going to recommend to somebody.

1279
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,620
It's got the widest appeal.

1280
00:57:55,620 --> 00:57:58,560
I mean, it's bookended by

1281
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,660
how do I live without you?

1282
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,100
Do do do do.

1283
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:08,700
It's got the bunny.

1284
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:12,040
I guess it's got the memeable moments, but I don't think I don't.

1285
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:15,000
I don't know. I don't consider those memeable moments.

1286
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,480
I consider them memorable moments. Fine.

1287
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:22,280
It is the like one of these movies has been forgotten by time.

1288
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,040
And I think that's unfortunate.

1289
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,560
Yeah. Well, I don't know if it was forgotten by time.

1290
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,760
It just came out at a poor time.

1291
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,420
So I guess I'm going to go Conair.

1292
00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:34,000
It's it's a it's a timeless classic.

1293
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,760
It it fits any time unless you're short on time.

1294
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:44,060
But it's I don't know.

1295
00:58:44,060 --> 00:58:45,500
It's a solid film.

1296
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:47,800
And, you know, I mean, they're both solid.

1297
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,200
Yes, I'm not. I'm not disagreeing with you.

1298
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,960
I'm not disagreeing with you either.

1299
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,400
I would definitely.

1300
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,500
I'll just kiss.

1301
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:55,440
Mm hmm.

1302
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,700
Do you have for audio?

1303
00:58:58,700 --> 00:58:59,780
It's too loud.

1304
00:58:59,780 --> 00:59:01,440
Yeah, blow. It's very well.

1305
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,840
Turn the game down.

1306
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,320
Turn that MC Ganey down.

1307
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:09,280
Yeah, so this is another rare Peter.

1308
00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:12,260
Too much power coming this direction.

1309
00:59:12,260 --> 00:59:13,520
No, I did actually think about this.

1310
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,660
I love Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance.

1311
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:17,460
I think it's a fucking fantastic movie.

1312
00:59:17,460 --> 00:59:20,000
It's one of my favorite comic book movies.

1313
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,700
But watching Conair with Rachel,

1314
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,240
I was like, oh, yeah, this is like this is part of the mix.

1315
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:33,300
Like, there's a reason it exists as a movie that everyone talks about for Nick Cage.

1316
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:37,440
It's it's when he was at the peak of his power the first time,

1317
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,480
and then it just goes to shit.

1318
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,220
And I love that he's got the resurgence.

1319
00:59:42,220 --> 00:59:45,820
But I there's something about like 90 schlock

1320
00:59:45,820 --> 00:59:49,760
that still holds some power over me that Ghost Rider doesn't hit,

1321
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,200
even though I fucking love that movie.

1322
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,660
So I think for this situation, I have to push Conair.

1323
00:59:56,660 --> 00:59:59,000
Also, it now has to go up against face off,

1324
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,840
which I think is going to be fun to talk about,

1325
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,100
because those are two super powerhouses.

1326
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:06,680
And one must leave. So.

1327
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:11,140
That's no, I mean, I don't disagree with any of what you either of you said.

1328
01:00:11,140 --> 01:00:14,580
I. I like both these movies quite a bit.

1329
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,660
Yeah, Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance, everyone should watch it.

1330
01:00:17,660 --> 01:00:18,960
It's a fucking romp.

1331
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:25,160
I wish wish we could have gotten the full budget are rated like no fucks given.

1332
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,100
Yeah, that totally could have changed.

1333
01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:28,860
Yeah, 100 percent.

1334
01:00:28,860 --> 01:00:30,800
You know, we were robbed.

1335
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,040
I want to do your bit about Connor being 90 schlock is a really good point,

1336
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,400
because I don't think this is such a Jerry Brockheimer produced movie.

1337
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,340
And I feel like action movies,

1338
01:00:42,180 --> 01:00:45,080
we don't get action movies in the same way with this type of ensemble cast.

1339
01:00:45,740 --> 01:00:48,880
That's kind of like the DNA for like for the Fast and Furious movies.

1340
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,460
But even they're not they're not on air.

1341
01:00:53,420 --> 01:00:55,020
No, they're great, but they're not.

1342
01:00:55,020 --> 01:00:56,060
Conair.

1343
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,100
People involved in those watch Tokyo,

1344
01:00:59,100 --> 01:01:01,860
people in those movies take them take themselves,

1345
01:01:01,860 --> 01:01:04,160
their careers in those movies way too seriously.

1346
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,240
Yeah, exactly.

1347
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,740
Conair, everyone knew what Connor was.

1348
01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:11,140
I felt all intentional to me.

1349
01:01:11,140 --> 01:01:12,240
None of it.

1350
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,940
You the way you kept saying, immobile.

1351
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,620
Yeah, I would say memorable works better because me mobile to me

1352
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:20,380
is you're kind of poking fun of it.

1353
01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:23,720
You're making you're taking scenes out of context and laughing at it.

1354
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,860
But I don't think you can do that with Conair because Conair knows what it is.

1355
01:01:27,860 --> 01:01:28,960
And everything's intentional.

1356
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,660
I think there's nothing in that movie where somebody does something

1357
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,000
and we laugh because they didn't know it was funny,

1358
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,800
I guess, except for maybe Cage's accent.

1359
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,900
Yeah, I do find it funny though.

1360
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:43,300
The whole everything's intentional considering that script

1361
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:45,080
was being rewritten every fucking day.

1362
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,280
Oh, yeah.

1363
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,080
What a nightmare that would be to this script is being written.

1364
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,380
But I feel like all those actors knew what they were doing.

1365
01:01:52,380 --> 01:01:55,420
And yes, yeah, 100 percent.

1366
01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:58,060
All right. Well, that settles that one.

1367
01:01:59,220 --> 01:02:03,160
How do I live without you?

1368
01:02:04,060 --> 01:02:06,360
Well, thanks for thanks for coming on, Chris.

1369
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:11,000
Do you have anything you want to pitch to our audience of mostly our friends?

1370
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,600
Yeah, I mean, letterbox is always good.

1371
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,040
Just Chris underscore gospel.

1372
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,700
And then, yeah, some school rejects again.

1373
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:21,680
I mostly just write in October now, usually.

1374
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,640
But I do a lot in October every year.

1375
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,880
And then, yeah, on the Rocket League field,

1376
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,020
you can you can find me on a rocket league every night pretty much.

1377
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,280
Does your car have a sweet name?

1378
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,280
I don't know anything.

1379
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,960
Well, I know the basics of Rocket League, but do you get to name your car?

1380
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,360
Not name your car, but you can you can have teams.

1381
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,160
And I do have a team and we are werewolves on wheels.

1382
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:49,600
Wheels on wheels. I like that.

1383
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,580
I was a fellow film school rejects writer.

1384
01:02:55,580 --> 01:02:58,040
Yeah, where cats you missed where cats, man, come on.

1385
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,880
Well, everyone's on wheels is a good 70s

1386
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,580
alliteration, rotation movie.

1387
01:03:03,580 --> 01:03:05,420
So, oh, gotcha. All right.

1388
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:08,620
That tracks Nick, what's the name of your spaceship and hell divers?

1389
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,820
Oh, it's the SES fist of family values.

1390
01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:16,360
Fantastic. And mine is the SES

1391
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:19,100
superintendent of self-determination.

1392
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:20,100
Nice.

1393
01:03:21,700 --> 01:03:25,100
You can find Nick and I on Helldivers, too.

1394
01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:30,180
All right. Next up, we've got a guarding test and moon struck going head to head.

1395
01:03:30,180 --> 01:03:30,980
That'll be a fun one.

1396
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:32,340
Ian's supposed to join us.

1397
01:03:32,340 --> 01:03:35,220
That'll be fun. We'll have a good time with that.

1398
01:03:35,220 --> 01:03:37,420
Yeah. So thank you all for listening.

1399
01:03:37,420 --> 01:03:42,620
We're on social media, cage match pod, cage underscore match underscore pod.

1400
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,320
We're also on IMDb now, which is hilarious to me.

1401
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,260
Thank you for that, Peter.

1402
01:03:48,260 --> 01:03:51,100
I just think it's so funny that that's something that we can do.

1403
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:53,360
So you can find us on there.

1404
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:54,840
Leave us a comment. Maybe.

1405
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,300
I don't know. Review us.

1406
01:03:57,300 --> 01:03:58,780
What upload a photo of me?

1407
01:03:58,780 --> 01:04:01,900
Yeah, you can do that. It's community.

1408
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:03,100
I have photos of Nick.

1409
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:05,940
Yeah. Well, you can you have this power.

1410
01:04:05,940 --> 01:04:07,820
Yeah. Nick has photos of me as well.

1411
01:04:07,820 --> 01:04:10,380
This is a power people shouldn't have.

1412
01:04:10,380 --> 01:04:13,020
You can support us on Patreon, cage match.

1413
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,520
Thank you to our supporters, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt and Adam.

1414
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,860
And our cage dancers, Ira, John, Freeman, Lance and Nathan.

1415
01:04:21,820 --> 01:04:25,400
You fuel this hell machine that we have created.

1416
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,560
Thank you so much.

1417
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,600
Bye bye.

1418
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,600
Do do do do.

1419
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,640
Do do do do.

1420
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,640
Bye bye.

1421
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,140
That's an idea.

1422
01:04:40,140 --> 01:04:42,140
Hopefully, hopefully it's on the record.

1423
01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:43,220
Yeah, good.

1424
01:04:43,220 --> 01:04:45,880
And my confusion afterwards. Yeah.

1425
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,920
Hopefully, it's not on the record your confusion afterwards.

1426
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,180
Oh, even better. Yeah.

1427
01:04:49,180 --> 01:04:49,980
We have people guessing.

1428
01:04:49,980 --> 01:04:51,520
Just add a trombone sound.

1429
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,320
Womp womp womp.

1430
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,160
OK, we see the letters are written in crayon.

1431
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,960
Start with the letters and we go, a.

1432
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:06,300
I will tell you, as a parent, you do lie in makeup cards

1433
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:08,060
that look like a child wrote them.

1434
01:05:08,060 --> 01:05:09,940
I do that. Your child doesn't want to do it.

1435
01:05:09,940 --> 01:05:11,740
I mean, I do that with my pets, so I get it.

1436
01:05:11,740 --> 01:05:17,720
Yeah. How many times is that actually successfully fooled someone?

1437
01:05:18,220 --> 01:05:19,580
Don't ask follow up questions.

1438
01:05:19,580 --> 01:05:21,220
We know we know some dumb people.

1439
01:05:21,220 --> 01:05:23,860
We do. Do know some dumb people.

1440
01:05:23,860 --> 01:05:44,280
Wait, Corden, write me that letter.