1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,600 Oh, God. Oh, my God. 2 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,000 Well, I can record it and yeah, I see that it's recording. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,360 OK. Well, I don't know how this new fangled technology works. 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,480 I've only been doing this for almost two years. 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,320 You literally work on a computer every day. 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:28,720 Shh. Welcome back to Cajamatch, 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,640 calling around about way of meeting Nicholas Cage. 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,560 I'm Sean here with my cohost Nick. I'm Nick. 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,160 And we have a special episode for you today. 10 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:39,800 We recorded our leaving Las Vegas kiss of death episode. 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,920 And then Peter got burgled and his computer is gone. 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,680 Along with that episode, which I thought was probably pretty good. 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,560 But you'll never know. Yeah, I'll never know. 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,080 I don't remember the things I say after I say them. 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,200 So we're pushing that episode back till the end of this bracket 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,600 so we can not just have a boring conversation 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,640 trying to remember what we said last time. 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,200 So in the meantime, we watched Butcher's Crossing, 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,280 which is a film that came out last year starring Nicholas Cage and other people. 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,400 Yeah. So this film originally like got a can showing 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,400 like a year or two ago, like I think in twenty two. 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,440 And then finally got a theatrical release last year. 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,400 It's pretty clear why they sat on it. 24 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,760 It wasn't it wasn't great. 25 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,760 I can sum up the plot real quick for you. 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,360 There isn't one. 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,160 Oh, well, there are themes, but there is not a plot. 28 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,160 There are no characters. There is no arc. 29 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,080 Shit happens. And you're meant to feel bad about it at the end. 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,280 Yeah. The plot just kind of gets thinner, sort of like the Buffalo herds. 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,240 Yeah. So this movie is a big old like Buffalo used to roam free. 32 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,640 And then we fucked up. Yeah. 33 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,840 We fucked up twice because they keep calling it Buffalo and their bison. 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,320 Yeah. Oh, God. Get your American bison right. 35 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,320 We've already said more words than anyone says in this entire film. 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,080 Oh, that's not fair. 37 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,640 They say things that's just not like important. 38 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:12,000 They just bitch about like, you know, 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,440 like having to eat buffalo meat all the time and being cold. 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,600 This movie is 90 percent screensaver. 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,800 Yeah. The the B camera team fucking killed it. 42 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,800 They got some great, like establishing shots of like Montana 43 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,600 and the surrounding area there. 44 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:32,080 I was sure I was being punked at one point because like 45 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,280 there's no connective tissue between most scenes. 46 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,120 There's kind of like this dreamlike state throughout the film 47 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,100 where it's cutting off the 48 00:02:40,100 --> 00:02:43,920 throughout the film, where it's cutting back and forth from a thing 49 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,040 happening to nature, to a thing happening. 50 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:50,180 And for about 45 minutes, like, OK, that's how the movie goes. 51 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,000 And then they do that. But it is a dream. 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,120 Yeah. So real quick, this movie is about I think his name was William. 53 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,200 Yeah. William, who comes out to call. 54 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,600 Well, not Colorado, Wyoming ish or whatever. 55 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,340 I don't know to go on a buffalo hunt 56 00:03:09,340 --> 00:03:11,660 because he wants to see more of the world. 57 00:03:11,660 --> 00:03:15,340 Yeah. Like he's a Harvard kid who dropped out and left. 58 00:03:15,340 --> 00:03:17,800 And this is old timey times, Western times. 59 00:03:18,460 --> 00:03:19,600 So he goes out there. 60 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,940 They still called Native Americans Indians. Yeah. 61 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:29,980 They he hooks up with Nicholas Cage, who is a relatively discredited hunter. 62 00:03:29,980 --> 00:03:33,020 Like nobody seems to think he's going to do anything 63 00:03:33,020 --> 00:03:35,480 because he sucks at hunting, I guess. 64 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,920 And he does. Cage decides to take them to Colorado 65 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,560 on a big hunt to find some premium hides. Yep. 66 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,440 That's the plot. 67 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,800 All the bison, buffalo, whatever this movie called them are young 68 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,140 and are constantly running from hunters. 69 00:03:55,140 --> 00:03:56,340 So their hides are no good. 70 00:03:56,340 --> 00:03:56,980 They have no fat. 71 00:03:56,980 --> 00:04:00,940 So he knows where there's like a herd of untouched creatures. 72 00:04:01,420 --> 00:04:04,580 So I think the problem that I had the most with this movie is like 73 00:04:04,580 --> 00:04:06,860 the tension never really gets there. 74 00:04:06,860 --> 00:04:11,900 It keeps like wanting to try to build tension in like the isolation 75 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:17,140 that they feel and the growing concerns between the characters 76 00:04:17,140 --> 00:04:22,540 as to like how long they should stay versus Nicholas Cage's decline 77 00:04:22,540 --> 00:04:31,140 into insanity in just his desire to really maximize this buffalo hunt. 78 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:37,080 And, you know, he he nearly wipes out a herd of like 4000 buffalo. 79 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,020 And yeah, that's wild. 80 00:04:41,060 --> 00:04:44,460 Constantly little pushes to where maybe there's going to be 81 00:04:44,460 --> 00:04:48,620 character development or character interaction or even character establishment. 82 00:04:48,660 --> 00:04:51,860 Yeah. Like what Nick described to you as the plot of this film 83 00:04:51,860 --> 00:04:55,960 is the first 10 minutes of this film and then the rest of it's just 84 00:04:56,060 --> 00:04:59,640 beautiful shots of nature and occasional Nick Cage screaming. 85 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:05,780 Yeah. And plenty of like just buffalo being shot over and over in repetition. 86 00:05:06,820 --> 00:05:10,720 And William washing blood off of him and vomiting. 87 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,580 Yeah. At one point, it looked like he was getting sick, 88 00:05:13,580 --> 00:05:16,260 but that didn't become anything. 89 00:05:16,260 --> 00:05:19,360 They when he gets out to Butcher's Crossing, 90 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:23,960 the town where they start off in, he meets the prettiest little sex worker 91 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,740 in the old west, but sitting on that joke all day. 92 00:05:26,740 --> 00:05:30,700 And but he he can't get it up. 93 00:05:31,140 --> 00:05:33,440 That doesn't come back up in the story. 94 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,500 That's not that there's no point to that. 95 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:39,420 One of the other I think it was just he's a good Christian boy 96 00:05:39,420 --> 00:05:41,920 because his father was a pastor and he doesn't want to like 97 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,420 get involved in premarital sex and stuff. 98 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:46,360 She was throwing she was throwing him one. 99 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,760 Yeah. It was going to be free. 100 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:53,100 But the only time that ever comes up again is the skinner 101 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:56,100 that comes with them, who has had trouble with the law, 102 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:58,660 which is the only thing we get to know about him, 103 00:05:58,660 --> 00:06:01,860 thinks she's pretty and keeps talking. 104 00:06:01,860 --> 00:06:05,840 And talks about like twice that he's going to go visit her when they get back. 105 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:07,880 So you think there's going to be tension there? 106 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,780 No, because we'll just stop talking after 20 minutes in this film. 107 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,480 Yeah. Yeah. He really shuts down. 108 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,880 Now, you mentioned Fred the Skinner. 109 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,320 I thought it was weird that like this movie started out pretty 110 00:06:21,420 --> 00:06:23,760 pretty strong on the this guy sucks. 111 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,960 And it doesn't take long before you're like, oh, no, he's the most sympathetic character. 112 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:29,760 He's the only sane one. 113 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,800 He's the only one who says like, we should go back. 114 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,400 Yeah. He says the sensible things. 115 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,900 Your dog's taking a shit on the floor. 116 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:38,780 I literally just took him outside. 117 00:06:38,780 --> 00:06:41,240 Do it, Ben. Drop a steamer. 118 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,540 We'll name it butchers crossing. 119 00:06:46,420 --> 00:06:51,620 Yeah, he's the only one that ever talks sense to William 120 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:55,820 and to cage about like we can't carry this many hides out. 121 00:06:55,820 --> 00:06:58,060 Why are we still shooting these buffalo? 122 00:06:58,060 --> 00:07:00,860 We are going to get trapped here over the winter. 123 00:07:00,860 --> 00:07:03,340 And they do. Which comes quick. 124 00:07:03,860 --> 00:07:06,300 And like they're having this fight. 125 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:09,940 So this is an hour and 10 minutes into this film is when like 126 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,740 they're actually having a fight that might lead to tension and story. 127 00:07:15,140 --> 00:07:19,840 And they're yelling and then they get drowned out by audio and then blizzard. 128 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:25,440 Yeah. Yeah. That blizzard comes in hard and fast, which up in the mountains, 129 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,280 like the Rockies and stuff. 130 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,640 Sure. I could see that coming in quick. 131 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,040 I've seen some really fast snow storms blow in when I lived in Montana. 132 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,420 But but like they they need to leave before winter blizzard. 133 00:07:37,420 --> 00:07:41,320 And then the first time I saw a title card in the movie, 134 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,660 but maybe I blank for an earlier one, but it just says winter. 135 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,560 Oh, yeah. No, they established fall as they were riding out. 136 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,400 And I was like, well, that doesn't bode well if you just declare the time by season. 137 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,600 I miss that. Yeah. 138 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,000 So, yeah, like it snows them in. 139 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,700 The the pass is impassable, which defeats the purpose of a pass. 140 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:09,540 Yeah. So they get snowed in and cage establishes that it's going to be, 141 00:08:09,540 --> 00:08:13,880 you know, six to eight months before they're able to like get out 142 00:08:14,820 --> 00:08:17,260 with the snow covering the pass. 143 00:08:17,260 --> 00:08:21,000 So it just becomes like a survival 144 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,600 movie without having any of the good elements of a survival movie. 145 00:08:25,940 --> 00:08:29,780 We get some cold like nobody gets frostbite. 146 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:36,420 Nobody like wanders off in the snow and gets lost or anything like that. 147 00:08:36,740 --> 00:08:42,080 It just misses misses the mark on what this could have been. 148 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,660 The only thing I noticed about this was supposed to be like six to eight weeks. 149 00:08:46,660 --> 00:08:50,620 Of for their trip is how Nick Cage sells it. 150 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:52,660 They get through winter. 151 00:08:52,660 --> 00:08:54,960 They get to spring. They still have liquor. 152 00:08:55,560 --> 00:09:00,600 Oh, yeah. Well, they established or they they had a very good shopping list. 153 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,300 I think what's his name? Charlie or? Yeah. 154 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:08,180 Yeah. Crazy Charlie, the one armed wagon driver. 155 00:09:08,180 --> 00:09:09,940 Yeah, he was in charge of the camp. 156 00:09:09,940 --> 00:09:15,580 Yeah, he's a big liquor enthusiast, so I'm sure he had quite the stockpile. 157 00:09:15,580 --> 00:09:18,480 But there was a whole there was a whole part in this film where they like 158 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,780 couldn't find water for two days. 159 00:09:20,780 --> 00:09:24,700 Yeah. Yeah, they did not pack enough water and two days. 160 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:28,420 That doesn't seem like enough for delirium. 161 00:09:28,460 --> 00:09:32,740 Probably more than two days, but like probably was the this movie shot beautifully. 162 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,840 Yeah. I mean, the DP did a great job. 163 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,880 I think everything was shot really well. 164 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,080 What I find interesting is so to Western 165 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,580 Nick Cage Westerns came out last year, one of them had a plot, but no budget. 166 00:09:47,980 --> 00:09:49,780 One of them had a budget, but no plot. 167 00:09:49,780 --> 00:09:51,760 Yeah, neither of them were really that good. 168 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,360 No. But I think the old way would have been better 169 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,560 if it would have had this budget or looked this good 170 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,360 because a lot of my a lot of what took me out of the old way 171 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,400 was just how bad it looked. 172 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,340 Especially that mustache in the beginning. Yeah. 173 00:10:05,340 --> 00:10:07,700 Also, this is the boldest I think we've ever seen. Nicholas Cage. 174 00:10:09,140 --> 00:10:11,740 Probably. I mean, he's a full shaved. 175 00:10:11,740 --> 00:10:15,480 But he's got like the wildest, thickest beard. 176 00:10:15,540 --> 00:10:17,740 Yeah. Like it's growing almost to his eyes. 177 00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:21,740 Yeah. I don't think we see a lot of Nick Cage shaved head. Yeah. 178 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,280 And he's constantly shaving his head in this movie. 179 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,980 Yeah. Like every other scene, he's keeping it down. 180 00:10:27,020 --> 00:10:29,780 So as they get like they get out of there, 181 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,360 Charlie gets killed because he's trying to poison Fred. 182 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:35,860 Yes. Fred throws his Bible on the fire. 183 00:10:35,860 --> 00:10:37,700 Yeah. Fred's a dick. 184 00:10:37,700 --> 00:10:41,800 And then Fred dies because the wagon goes over a cliff. 185 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,140 I thought that was such a cheap death after we had like Fred 186 00:10:45,140 --> 00:10:47,200 beating Charlie to death 187 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,980 for trying to poison him with strychnine and not using enough. Yeah. 188 00:10:52,940 --> 00:10:56,740 Just having the axle brake on their way over the pass 189 00:10:56,740 --> 00:10:59,880 and like having the wagon roll back off a cliff. 190 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,820 I was like, oh, that's really limp. 191 00:11:02,860 --> 00:11:06,360 But somehow they managed to retrieve all of the bison pelts. 192 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:07,360 No, they didn't. 193 00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:10,100 They went back completely empty. 194 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:12,240 Yeah. But Nick Cage said he had him up in the mountains. 195 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,740 Yeah. He's talking about the ones that they covered up. 196 00:11:14,740 --> 00:11:17,440 There was three thousand pelts that they didn't bring back 197 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:18,940 because they couldn't carry them all. 198 00:11:18,940 --> 00:11:21,080 They only had like twelve hundred or something. 199 00:11:21,740 --> 00:11:24,880 Yeah. They hid a bunch of pelts up in their camp 200 00:11:25,220 --> 00:11:27,920 so that they could come back and get them in the spring 201 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,620 or whatever when they have another wagon. 202 00:11:29,620 --> 00:11:31,560 Yeah. But then they lose all these pelts. 203 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:35,720 But spoiler alert, it doesn't fucking matter because while they were going 204 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,320 the pelt trade completely just went under. 205 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,700 Yeah. So what previously was four dollars a hide is now ten cents 206 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:43,800 or some shit like that. 207 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,600 And now Will's just kind of sitting there and the guy who went out there 208 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,440 to like get a job from it's like, well, do you get what you wanted? 209 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,880 Which I'm like, that's that's a shitty arc. 210 00:11:55,340 --> 00:11:59,380 Yeah. I mean, he did get to see the country and he experienced something 211 00:11:59,380 --> 00:12:03,080 and he lived, but he also got exactly what that guy was telling him 212 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:03,880 was going to happen. 213 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,880 It's like it's going to change you. 214 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,480 But because we didn't know Will was in the first place, other than he didn't fuck. 215 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,320 Yeah. And because we don't know who he is now because he just stopped talking. 216 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,120 There's no arc to that character. 217 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,160 Yeah. All you know. 218 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,000 OK, let's talk about what we know about each character. 219 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,300 So Will was living in Boston. 220 00:12:25,300 --> 00:12:26,740 He went to Harvard. 221 00:12:26,740 --> 00:12:29,440 He came out to just experience something. 222 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:31,540 Doesn't have sex. 223 00:12:32,140 --> 00:12:33,280 That's it. That's it. 224 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,840 That that's all we know about that character from the whole movie. 225 00:12:37,340 --> 00:12:40,280 Nick Cage. People don't really trust him. 226 00:12:40,380 --> 00:12:43,820 He hates the fur trader in Butcher's Crossing. 227 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,100 Has a weird like revenge thing with Buffalo. 228 00:12:48,860 --> 00:12:50,800 Yeah, I think he just 229 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,660 been called a poor hunter for so long, like he's just not a good buffalo hunter. 230 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:59,600 So he's really just trying to prove himself with that. 231 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,780 Yeah. And that that's all we get from him. 232 00:13:02,780 --> 00:13:06,080 Like Charlie one hand superstitious. 233 00:13:06,380 --> 00:13:08,680 Yeah. Drunk a lot. 234 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:10,620 Fred was in trouble with the law. 235 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:12,120 It's kind of a dick. 236 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,180 Yeah. And talks about St. 237 00:13:14,180 --> 00:13:15,380 Louis a lot. Yeah. 238 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:17,820 So that's two strikes against him. 239 00:13:18,620 --> 00:13:19,760 That Francine's a whore. 240 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,420 And Francine is. Yes. 241 00:13:22,420 --> 00:13:25,400 You can't work around that. 242 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,100 OK, we get the mention of them crossing Indian country or, 243 00:13:30,300 --> 00:13:32,040 you know, Native American lands. 244 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,600 And then they make their camp like Nicholas Cage makes their camp 245 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,340 on Native American burial ground. 246 00:13:39,020 --> 00:13:43,820 And then we never have any interactions with any Native Americans. 247 00:13:43,820 --> 00:13:47,080 Well, they establish when they're going through the Native American territories, 248 00:13:47,580 --> 00:13:51,620 they find a shack with a dead hunter in it holding his own balls. 249 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:53,560 Yeah, that was that was pretty good. 250 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:55,260 I mean, separated from his body. 251 00:13:55,260 --> 00:13:57,620 Yeah, his balls were cut off and left in his hand. 252 00:13:57,620 --> 00:14:00,160 And they established that it was 253 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,540 the Native Americans who did it. 254 00:14:01,540 --> 00:14:03,640 Yeah, because they don't like hunters. 255 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:06,500 All right. That's going to come up. Nope. 256 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:07,680 Yeah. Nope. 257 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:13,020 We've just got this trading outpost that has no purpose for the rest of the movie. 258 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,940 You can watch this movie like silently and it would make just as it would. 259 00:14:17,140 --> 00:14:18,520 You get just as much out of it. 260 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,320 It might be better if you had like a really good kind of 261 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,020 dark wave, like score. 262 00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:30,460 I'd like and just put the movie on mute and let it let it ride. 263 00:14:30,460 --> 00:14:33,540 I mean, so we know nothing about these characters. 264 00:14:33,740 --> 00:14:36,000 We know even less about Nick Cage. 265 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,040 I feel like we know nothing about him, really, 266 00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:42,920 except he comes back at the end for trades completely gone. 267 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,420 He makes nothing out of this. 268 00:14:45,420 --> 00:14:49,880 So he burns down the fur trader shack, kills the fur trader, 269 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,460 gives one last look to will and rides off. 270 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,800 Yeah, I think actually the smartest thing he did was when he burned 271 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:02,000 all those hides because I was like, OK, maybe he's like trying to revitalize 272 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,000 the demand by getting rid of all this surplus. 273 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,240 No, that doesn't factor into anything. 274 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,340 He just burns everything and leaves. 275 00:15:10,340 --> 00:15:12,480 Yeah. Which is a pretty baller move. 276 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,140 And then will literally just rides out into the plains. 277 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,520 Yeah. Like there's no even arc about will becoming like an outdoorsman. 278 00:15:21,020 --> 00:15:25,360 No. Yeah, we don't see him ever like start a fire even. 279 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,080 No, the most we get from him is him skinning 280 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,600 buffalo along with the skinner. 281 00:15:32,660 --> 00:15:38,200 Yeah. And well, and like will's one moment in this is trying to get them to 282 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,200 trying to get them to leave without having to confront Nicholas Cage 283 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:44,200 when he's like Nicholas Cage is trying to herd up the 284 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,000 buffalo that are moving. 285 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,280 And will just start shooting around them to get them to like run faster. 286 00:15:51,580 --> 00:15:54,180 Yeah. Nothing happens in this room. 287 00:15:54,180 --> 00:15:57,560 Yeah. And, you know, it's it's based off of a book. 288 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,720 And I'm assuming there's a narrator. 289 00:16:01,220 --> 00:16:04,620 Yeah, there must be some kind of like 290 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,940 dialogue that happens with the reader that just doesn't translate into the film. 291 00:16:11,060 --> 00:16:12,660 Yeah, that was my thought. 292 00:16:12,660 --> 00:16:17,080 The the writing is really the weakest portion of this, which is unfortunate. 293 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,340 The acting I felt was pretty good. 294 00:16:19,340 --> 00:16:21,380 I really like the guy who played Fred. 295 00:16:21,380 --> 00:16:22,780 I thought he did a great job. 296 00:16:22,780 --> 00:16:24,840 Nick Cage, I enjoyed. 297 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,080 I think he did a good job. 298 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,880 Well, and you said like the B camera team got such great footage. 299 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,680 It would have been nice to see the characters interact with any of that. 300 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,080 Yeah, I was thinking that when I was watching it, like everything shot 301 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,220 so close and tight on the the actors, the characters, 302 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,260 and you never get to see them necessarily in the environment so much. 303 00:16:44,260 --> 00:16:49,060 I mean, there's some wider shots with them riding and whatnot, but it's 304 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,740 you've got such beautiful country. 305 00:16:51,740 --> 00:16:53,840 It's shot in Montana. 306 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,880 And it's really just a backdrop 307 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,340 when it could have been more of a player in the movie. Yeah. 308 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,820 Somebody tried to make a documentary or this is just B roll from a documentary. 309 00:17:06,060 --> 00:17:08,420 It looks like it could have been like planet Earth. 310 00:17:08,420 --> 00:17:10,360 Yeah, like it's really well. 311 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:13,160 Sure, David Attenborough or like Sigourney Weaver should be talking over this. 312 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,320 And they're like, we got Nick Cage for two days. 313 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,960 Let's make a Buffalo Hunting movie. 314 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:20,940 So, yeah, beautiful film. 315 00:17:20,940 --> 00:17:24,340 If you want to see some cool, if you just want to see some beautiful, like film, 316 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:25,480 watch it. Yeah. 317 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:30,180 I take Nick's advice, put on some like dark wave or something and just zone out. 318 00:17:30,340 --> 00:17:32,540 And, you know, eat a sandwich. 319 00:17:32,980 --> 00:17:33,940 You do you. 320 00:17:33,940 --> 00:17:38,660 So if you could fix this movie, because we're obviously skilled 321 00:17:38,660 --> 00:17:41,060 and equipped to do these sorts of things. 322 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:42,860 Well, what would you fix in it? 323 00:17:42,860 --> 00:17:44,820 Oh, I'd put a plot in. 324 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:46,620 I'd put character interaction in. 325 00:17:46,620 --> 00:17:51,300 But shy of that, I would just cut it down to about 25 minutes. 326 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,640 25 minutes of just nature scenes. 327 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,640 Just cut out all the actors. 328 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,580 You can cut down this entire plot and character, 329 00:17:59,580 --> 00:18:01,240 all the character bits to about 25 minutes. 330 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,340 I think I assume I would probably make this more of 331 00:18:05,420 --> 00:18:08,820 like what I would want from this plot wise is something more of like 332 00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:14,060 that survival element from like the Revenant or something like that. 333 00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:16,100 Yeah, so we just need a bear attack. 334 00:18:16,100 --> 00:18:19,280 There wasn't even any like aggressive wildlife. 335 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,700 Yeah, that's weird. 336 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,780 The stakes are real low. Yeah. 337 00:18:22,780 --> 00:18:27,080 It's just a little bit of mild insanity, lots of buffalo meat 338 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,180 and a little bit of strychnine. 339 00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:31,680 So I'm going to give you I'm going to give you I'm going to throw you a bone here, Nick. 340 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,980 I'm going to give you something here. Oh, please do. 341 00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:37,420 There's finally a movie that has less going on than Primal. 342 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,800 Primal is thick with plot. 343 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,660 Definitely go watch Primal. 344 00:18:43,660 --> 00:18:46,200 CG Buffalo. Who do you think is the better hunter? 345 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,300 Nick Cage in Primal or Nick Cage in Butcher's Crossing? 346 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:53,440 I don't know. He almost wiped out those buffalo and Butcher's Crossing. 347 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,120 Yeah, it almost feels like happenstance that he was able to find them, though. 348 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,620 Yeah, just a real lucky shot. 349 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,120 Where would you put this on the the chart? 350 00:19:06,460 --> 00:19:08,620 You know, I'd say lower good cage. 351 00:19:08,620 --> 00:19:12,060 And medium bad movie. 352 00:19:12,060 --> 00:19:14,100 It's a bad film. 353 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:18,100 And I just don't think Nick Cage is given anything to do in this movie to like 354 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:21,540 warrant really a good or bad performance. 355 00:19:21,540 --> 00:19:24,000 Yeah, he smolders, though. He does smolder. 356 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,320 Yeah, he's got kind of like a low burning heat inside of him. 357 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,220 And you do see a little bit of like back and forth. 358 00:19:33,220 --> 00:19:35,280 He does relent in the end. 359 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,160 Like he, you know, gives in and is like, yeah, OK, I fucked up. 360 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,120 I took too long and now we're snowed in here. 361 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:47,200 And then when they, you know, do finally leave and everything, it's like, OK, 362 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:49,760 I give let's let's do it. 363 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,240 He just really wants to prove himself because I imagine he gets shit on a lot. 364 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,840 Yeah. And usually you'd have to pay for that. 365 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,280 Will wouldn't have had to unless you hang out with your dog. 366 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,840 It was shit on the dog. 367 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,780 Just the carpet, just that one specific part of the carpet. 368 00:20:05,780 --> 00:20:07,320 He's a puppy. He is. 369 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,480 Get over it, people. Yeah. 370 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,920 What's the weird one is he will pee on the pee pad and poop outside 371 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:19,400 is outside of the kennel, the pen on the carpet or poop on the pee pad 372 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,160 and then pee on the carpet. Oh, OK. 373 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,560 He won't do both in the same place. 374 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,260 He's a very discerning dog. 375 00:20:25,260 --> 00:20:28,640 Interesting. I guess you just don't shit where you pee. 376 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,080 Good night, everybody. 377 00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:39,820 Bye bye. 378 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:44,920 And what are you doing? 379 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,420 You're just staring at your poop. 380 00:20:46,420 --> 00:20:48,560 Oh, no, never mind. I think he's eating it. 381 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,760 Keep talking. 382 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,200 Yeah. 383 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:59,300 I think he's trying to move it into the pee pad, 384 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:01,040 so he's not like in trouble. 385 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,380 It's like, no, no, I think he's just trying to eat it. 386 00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:23,700 Ah, gross dog.