Oh, God. Oh, my God.
What are you drinking?
Camden Hell's Lager.
I guess I guess it doesn't translate over to the US.
Oh, we have lagers here.
Bloody light, light bears, you pussies.
Everything's fucking light, you fucking nancy pantsy fairies.
Can't help it.
Our country was founded by a bunch of fucking Quakers.
They're afraid to dance. That's true.
If it's more than three point five, we don't want to know.
That's why. That's why.
All right. It's working now.
I'm going to go turn off the heat in my house and then then we're good to go.
Yeah, this podcast is hot enough as it is, whoo,
especially once we get this shit up on Pornhub.
What? Yeah, that's the thing.
That's the thing we're doing.
Oh, yeah, I'm I'm going to be uploading all of our episodes onto Pornhub,
similar to like YouTube, but amazing.
I started the account and I've already got like five subscribers
before even putting anything up.
That is the weirdest thing, seen as we have no subscribers on YouTube. Yeah.
Yeah, I think they just want me to resubscribe back to them.
I don't know, which I totally will.
I think I think Cage match would follow anybody willing to have 13 YouTube
subscribers. Oh, shit. Look at that. All right.
You got to try these things.
We keep we keep tempting fight on getting to for you that we guess
we keep saying to people, we'll get set up and only fans.
I don't know what it would be, but.
It doesn't need to be much, you know, they know what they're getting.
Yeah, shirtless episodes.
Just just the video of us, us, our tops off.
Or you do what we do, just do bottomless episodes, but record it.
But, you know, you have a table. Yeah.
I'm bottomless right now.
Fantastic. We knew you fit in.
You guys feel in a strong way about either of these.
I told them, Petrus, that you said that you're a stolen apologist
and that you have a video essay about Red Rock West.
So it's a perfect fit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm a I am a I'm a star.
Look, I watched it.
I was like, you know, still still like it despite it being shit.
It's still good. It's a solid little film.
And then, yeah, Red Rock West, I think is, yeah, is great.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think it would be on the U.S.
release that's coming out next year because it's like quite hard to get on
Blu Ray out there. Is that very hard?
We're just talking about that.
Yeah. It's a gaping hole in my collection right now
because the people who put out the UK Blu Ray who commissioned me to do the
video essay like said that like someone from the U.S.
is looking to license it, like license the special features as well.
So like I think that is because just had a release in Australia as well.
So there's hope at least.
Who knows? Maybe it'll be a shout or something.
They're always doing speak of Australians.
I was trying to remember it in a stolen like there was one guy who was like,
oh, God, that's the worst stereotype ever.
Weirdly, it was the Australian guy.
It was the Australian. Oh, the she was a.
Oh, yeah. She's pregnant.
Hey, yeah, not the best.
Look, he just wanted to get his knob wet or whatever he said.
We know the lingo.
Yeah, that pregnant puss. Yeah.
That that that's it.
That scene he like says on the phone like, oh, I need to get off the phone,
mate, because this cab drivers about to fly a wobbly and then persists to like
talk to him. I got to tell you about the Sheila from last night, the Pregas one.
It's like, what are you doing?
You're fucking maniac.
I got a good question.
What does he mean there?
What's firing a warbly or whatever that these are?
These are things that don't translate like even more so than like beer with alcohol
content. So that that is throwing a wobbly is like just fucking losing your shit.
Basically, but in like a polite way to.
Yeah, I mean, for a wobbly like he just got pissed off.
Oh, yeah. So he read the situation incredibly accurately because Vince did
fire a wobbly.
He sure she fucking does.
Yeah, he wobbles the shit out of that, dude.
You think they could have maybe had some connection there because Vince goes on
this whole rant about how just prisoners were sent here.
It's like, are you guys going to talk about that?
Yeah, that is true.
That is true. That is true. The five pound five pound bombs.
Yeah, yeah. He did have a lot like on his mind.
He had some pressing shit going on.
I can understand like maybe a rain check, but you know, he could have got him a
Foster's that would have I would have smoothed the whole thing over.
It is Australian for beer brewed in Germany, baby.
In the dumbest big cans ever.
I remember the first time I was a kid and I saw one of those and I tried to pick it
up and I was like, this cans enormous.
It's just a lot of garbage beer.
Speaking of maximize.
Speaking of ruining the illusion, welcome back to cage match.
We're calling around about meeting Nicholas Gage.
That's us. We're a podcast.
Yep. I'm your host, Sean.
Here with my co-host Nick and our producer, Nick Peter.
Hello. And we are having we are we are professionals at this.
We do this a lot and we're good at it.
Right. And we're joined by one of the originators of cage match or a cage match
of Nick cage podcasts Petros of the caged in Coppola connections and new project
getting to foe you.
Yeah, that's me.
That's me. I'm I'm mentally insane as if Nicholas cage of his 105 credits wasn't
enough. I now do a podcast all about William Defoe.
That's like 147 credits.
Yes, please.
I had no clue. He was in that many flicks.
That's intense. When we started the podcast.
There was enough film.
So we do it like season by season basis 10 films and there were enough films in his
life up and coming to fill a whole season and it was just like what the fuck are we
doing? Like I think this man this man's in his I don't know.
He's like in his 60s, but I don't think he's got any signs of stopping like him and
Nick cage of the two guys. It's like, oh, any given week is like they're in a new
project or like, you know, they're like kind of they've signed on to 10 films, even
though that might change with cage.
He says we only got like three or four left and he's got a television.
Yeah, I am skeptical on the entire thing.
You figure someone rolls out another five million bucks or so.
It's like hard to turn that shit down.
I have a theory about the about the prestige TV like projects he wants to do.
I think he's been trying to do that for a while.
I think things like Primal are like they're meant to be pilots, hence the very low CG
budget primal is perfect.
I don't know why you chose that one.
Even stolen has like some like this.
This could have been like a serialized thing.
Yeah, maybe speaking of which this week we were talking about stolen and Red Rock West.
And what do we do on this podcast?
John, we watched two Nicolas Cage films and we decide which one's the Cajest in a
bracket style situation where eventually we'll all go insane.
I thought we just argued over dick jokes.
We do that as well.
Okay, but we will decide what cages ultimate cagey film is based on our opinions,
which change episode by episode.
So you don't need to go back and listen to the older episodes if you don't want to.
But you should because they're funny.
So Petrus, how long have you been talking about Nicolas Cage at this point?
So I've been talking about Nicolas Cage since 2017 and I did something that was
totally insane when I first started off.
I did like my first 10 or 15 episodes solo.
So not even I can even I can even rope in friends to come talk about movies.
I just like fuck it.
I want to do this.
I want to start a podcast.
I'm just going to be a mad man on a microphone laying on my living room floor talking
about Nicolas Cage and yeah, X amount of years later.
Here I am.
Not any wiser probably a lot dumber, but still having fun, baby.
Yeah, I mean to 2017 that would have been around that time where he was in that really.
Everyone thought he was terrible.
You forget all the good work.
He's done.
He didn't really have his comeback and is self-effacing like joke persona.
Yeah, he was thick in the slump.
Yeah, thick in the slump is a good phrase.
It's pre Mandy.
I think Mandy's the kind of film that like people go like, oh, OK.
There's still some like gas left in the tank.
Yeah.
Yeah. Before then, Mandy to Pig was like the kind of like long arrival of Nicholas Cage
again, like where people was second Renaissance.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And the connoisseurs.
That's cool.
For me, the movie that really made me take notice was a color out of space like, oh,
this guy, this guy knows what he's doing.
He at least knows how to line up a project.
Yeah.
Yeah. There's like a weird trilogy that I think do it is Mandy color out of space and
Pig, which are like what I've dubbed the man of the woods trilogy because all of them is
kind of like living out in like a secluded area.
And weirdly, they're all edited by Brett Buckman as well, which seems to be a weird connection
about those films.
And maybe he is personally responsible for Nick Cage's rise to prominence once again.
Well, thanks, Buckman.
Yeah.
Good fucking work.
Yeah.
It'll be something to look for to look out for when we're doing Mandy and color out of space
again.
What?
What the editing?
Yeah.
Don't those go up against each other?
No.
Okay.
I was going to say that's brutal.
Brutal head to head.
Oh, no, we got color out of space versus vampires kiss.
Oh, that's right.
That's that's a brutal head to head to that one.
That one's rough.
Yeah.
He's doing the same voice in those movies as well.
He brings back the Peter Lowe voice when he kind of gets colored out of space and that
movie when he when the colors go.
I mean, he's kind of like when he's taken by magenta.
When he gets that big T-Mobile money.
Speaking of cell phones, I have opinions on cell phones and stolen.
Should we just?
This is the perfect place to start talking about cell phones.
Yeah.
Stolen was a 2012 flick Simon West was the director.
Yeah, you want to Petros you want to give us a little breakdown of what this movie is about?
Yeah, it is about a famous bank robber who has a penchant for Creedence Clearwater Revival
does one job that goes wrong when MC Ganey fucks him over and he goes to prison for eight
years and then when he gets out his daughter is kidnapped and he is trying to get her back
in a race against the clock.
I forgot how this movie really does kind of like hit the ground running though.
Like I mean, there's a little bit of you.
He went away for eight years, but then it it's pretty non-stop movement for the entire
thing.
So the thing that always takes me out of this film, which I forgot until I rewatched it
eight years in prison.
Everyone else has lived their years for lives for eight years.
No one's gotten a haircut.
Everyone's got the exact same hair.
Listen, when you figure out good hairstyles you stick with a man.
It's kind of a white people thing.
It's like this is what sets me apart from that other person over there.
It's like this is how everybody else knows who I am that and if you go and see the same
barber they will just cut you'll say something different.
They'll just go.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, I'm giving you the same haircut.
I've given you for the last 10 years buddy.
Like we're not changing this up and it's weird that obviously Nick Cage.
His hair doesn't change soon as this is like a re team up with Simon West and the last
time Nick Cage's character went to prison.
He came out with luscious long locks in Conair.
Yeah, much better.
Yeah, he's just got the same boring boring old man haircut that he had at the beginning.
Well, anytime I go down to my barber who they questionably speak English, but they Tina.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, nice.
Every time they cut my hair like the lady I'm sure she doesn't recognize me, but she's
just like same as last time and I was like, I'm sure I don't think you were the same person
as last time, but that might be a fault of my own.
I mean as you established you all look the same.
Yeah, and you know what she gives me the same cut and I'll tell her like yeah, same as last
time just not quite so short on top of boom like short on top and it's like, ah, whatever.
It's yeah, it's a $15 hair.
You did say short on top.
No, I said not so short on top.
You did say the word short on top.
Yeah, yeah, that's all she's hearing.
It's like there's nothing more kind of embarrassing for a human being than that moment when a
barber uses that mirror to show you the back of it and you're like you just go yeah, yeah,
okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you've done something like it's just we're so polite to just be
like you can't go.
I know.
Can you put some back on now, please?
Yeah, right.
Fuck this up.
Like yeah, there's nothing you can do at that point.
I always hit him with the yep.
That's the back of my head.
Yeah, like what do you want me to do about it?
It's like well, I'm never going to see this again.
We all wear glasses too.
They always show me when I can't see shit and I'm like, mm hmm.
Yeah, feels like a haircut.
Oh, I make them wait.
I pull the glasses back out and I put them back on and I'm like, yeah, okay.
Underneath the couch.
It's too short.
Exactly.
So it really looks like I'm doing something dodgy down there.
But no, I'm just getting my glasses back out slowly.
It's the same question is like, did you find everything all right?
You always say yes, because what are they going to do?
One time I was like, no, actually.
And the person was like, well, that sucks.
And we moved on.
So all the cell phones in this movie.
Yeah, let's get back to your cell phone problem.
Our blackberries.
Yeah. And I love when the daughter's in the trunk of the cab and she like
cuts a hole through the upholstery and she's dialing nine one one on that.
Yeah, the blackberry blackberry keyboard.
Yeah, the keyboard.
But you can't see anything.
It's just the finger.
Like, how do you know what button you're pushing?
Oh, man, I used to be able to text like unseen in my pocket.
Yeah, I got really good at that.
It also made it look really inappropriate that I was doing some shit in my pocket.
But yeah, but when you can crank out like multiple questions on a T9
like keyboard and like send him well, oh, you felt like a god.
I love texting.
I think there is there is one knock here in the movie and Nick Cage
managed to set it up in like lightning speed because there is that scene
where he's going from like the shop inside of like the train station.
Yeah. To like set it up.
We're literally in like 30 seconds.
He's got it set up and he's got it redirecting the calls to his other phone.
It's like, wow, this guy's done eight years in prison,
but he knows how to work a phone.
Yeah. Well, if it had been an iPhone, he would have been completely lost.
That's true. Flummoxed. Yeah.
Well, fortunately, criminals aren't allowed to use iPhones.
So that's a good point. Thanks, Apple.
Yeah. Also, I'm pretty sure he got like a keistered Blackberry in prison
at some point, so he practiced.
So it works.
Just really kind of makes me think differently about texting from your pocket.
When he'll prison wallet. Yeah.
You know, those using those anus muscles to text.
Yeah, that's that's the final form right there.
Just kegaling his way into like a Domino's pizza delivery.
Sending a text message to his daughter.
I still love you.
I mean, you want the dominance because you need to get that phone out somehow.
Changing the subject ever so slightly, I just got a text about my new
my new dog I'm getting that I am naming Benjamin Franklin Gates.
Yeah. Good dog name.
It's a very good dog name.
He does have a Benjamin Franklin Gates face.
Yeah. One of my bosses suggested I name the dog Nick Cage.
I'm like, no, but I'll name it after Nick Cage character.
My other boss just threw out Benjamin Franklin Gates.
I'm like, that's too funny not to use.
First name, Benjamin Franklin Gates.
Last name. Yeah.
I like how it's just one three names, one word.
Benjamin Franklin Gates.
It's like how you want to have your nephew be named.
Well, I've I've recommended that every child be named after me.
Nicholas Michael, you can bleep all that out.
I'll crack some of that.
You're also going to crack out.
I know Tennessee is the middle name
because they're the only 10 I see.
If I'm getting doxed, you're getting doxed.
We're doxing everyone. Petros, you want to get doxed?
What's your address?
My name's Petros.
Joe, I know. Yeah, that's true.
I'm searchable, baby.
They're my name's strong.
There's a much more famous person with my name out there.
Sam, all right.
Hmm. Yeah, I'm like I've always thought it's a blessing and a curse.
People I want to remember me, remember me.
People I don't want to remember me, remember me.
So having a name like Petros, like, fuck.
So this was our second watch through on this.
I don't know if you went back to stolen at any point during your
illustrious cage time.
How did you find it this time?
Um, well, I think I was a lot hotter on it the first time
because it was the height of lockdown.
And I think I was drinking far more than I am these days.
So it's just like just so excited to be watching movies and not working
and like just talking to people online about them.
And that was the first time I ever watched it.
And then like on this rewatch, I was like, oh, there are glaring
things that are wrong with this movie.
But I still came out the other side going,
you know what? I think I like it.
I was like, look on a letterbox.
So there's like people I know going one star movie.
I was like, this is a solid freestyle, baby.
This is freestyle across the board for me.
I'd give it three stars.
Yeah, there's some continuity issues and a few like
questionable moments and Vince's writing.
I didn't I didn't care for the way his shit was written.
But otherwise, you know, fucking solid movie.
I absolutely love the chase sequence where like he jumps from roof to roof
and his leg goes through the roof.
Oh, yeah. He's like going to hop a banister and that just falls apart.
That's, you know, very good.
Like true post Katrina.
New Orleans, like the place is falling apart.
Beautiful city falling apart.
This is like one of many films that Cage does in New Orleans.
Right. And it just felt like, you know, at the time he's like, I live nearby.
Like he's shooting shooting locally.
Yeah, let's do it, baby.
There's really no reason for it to be in New Orleans.
Like, yeah, I mean, the conceit of it being Mardi Gras, I guess, because that
helps the cabs be around.
Yeah, but you could have like a parade in any town for sure.
So like I was in a parade once.
It was great. Nice.
Well, because I have the whole thing about it being Mardi Gras,
but then they changed the fact that the cabs don't have
the like New York style thing on the roof.
Like the kind of down there.
Yeah, yeah.
They don't have the like number on the roof, which obviously is a big
plot point in this show, get the whole sequence of him like
seeing the number.
So obviously, like they've gone, oh, it's New Orleans, but we're going to
we're going to make the cabs factually inaccurate
just because this scene doesn't work without it.
Yeah. We want to like noodle in on weird continuity stuff.
The fact that
what's noodle, what's his name?
The guy from Human Target.
I don't even know what that is.
We talk about the villain, Vincent, or you're talking about striker.
Striker. What's human?
So the Fed?
Not the main one, not the one with the hat, but his buddy.
Oh, the fucking bad one who's like, I hope you got raped every day.
Yeah, that guy. Yeah.
Who I know from Boston Legal and he was in Human Target, which is a TV show.
But over the course of the film, Nick Cage
kicks his ass, handcuffs him, handcuffs him in an elevator and leaves him there.
And at the end of the film, Nick Cage has murdered a man,
escaped, like stolen some gold, escaped the authorities.
And they, you know, strikers like, no, we're going to let him go.
And at the end, there's a little gold left.
He's like, if he doesn't throw it away, you know, you can book him.
You can also book him on, you know, assault of you, several people murder.
Yeah, but he did it in like good faith.
It was it was a solid, you know, overall.
Yeah, but that's for sure.
But the other guy who wants to book him can still get him for all that.
Right. Yeah. Mark Valley is the Mark Valley.
That's yeah.
So yeah, like I just love that little thing at the end where it's like,
you know, don't throw it, throw it, don't throw it, throw it.
It's like a million other things you could get them on breaking into a bank.
Also, why didn't they investigate if he threw the fucking gold in the water?
Couldn't you get the gold?
Oh, it's sinking the mud.
And you never find it that New Orleans mud is deep.
Gold's heavy, as far as I know.
Twenty seven pounds per brick.
Mm hmm. What about slagged bricks?
How many how many pounds was that nugget?
I think they said it was 10 pounds of gold that he was throwing.
So like less than half a brick.
Even though it looked bigger.
That'd be able to tell on like how how easy it was for him to throw.
That'd be like that.
They're like gold to me.
I look like a like a pine cone.
To be fair, pine cones float also.
So it was if they really looked at it, they'd see the pine cone resurface.
And when it's when it's sinking, it doesn't look like a real pine cone.
Yeah, maybe it was a decorative pine cone.
I don't know. That was just sitting on that outside table.
How many people just have concrete pine cones like this is my decorative.
I pull this out for nice occasions.
I do appreciate the fake outwear because when the cops show up
then he'd been shot and, you know, he passes out in the helicopter.
The next scene is the daughter and the female character's name.
I can't remember driving Riley, Riley driving, driving past a cemetery.
And then it is go right past it to his RV where he's fine.
Yeah. The most suspenseful moment of the movie.
Yeah, right there.
Well, that daughter just looks sad all the time.
So you never know.
Maybe daughter should have thrown her in the water.
How many movies start with Nick Cage going to meet
his daughter that he hasn't seen in years
because he's been in jail with a stuffed animal?
Well, at least at least two.
I think there's more.
I think we've had three stuffed animals.
There was another stuffed animal, but I don't remember if it was a prison
related stuffed animal instance.
I think it was still an out of touch dad moment, though, where the kids like
stuffed animal. I don't even I'm like 15, dad.
Well, was it primal?
Was he just trying to bring a great white jag?
Yeah, great white jag for the kid.
Kids love these things.
We'll get it mounted. We'll get it stuffed.
They'll be great.
Now, you keep that thing alive.
What I don't get is he's had eight years in prison
and all he can muster up when he speaks to his daughter
is that like kind of half arse note that just looks like he wrote it
in the cab on the way over to me like he probably can't even get it out.
It's like to do some English class.
You should have done some English classes while you're in the big house, buddy.
Maybe he got early release and he wasn't quite prepared.
He's like, I'll get to this later.
Like I got nothing but time so long as I'm here in the big house.
But he had plenty of time on how to steal all that gold
that hasn't moved in eight years. Gold's heavy.
Yeah. Well, that was just an imagination thing.
Yeah. He just really pictured it.
He was bored. Yes.
So what about Vincent's wig?
That shit is fucking bad.
Everything about Vincent was so gross, like,
he's got missing fingers.
No, thanks. One leg abomination
gets set on fire, then run over.
Oh, well, I mean, setting him on fire was fine.
I was OK with that.
We do have two movies this week that have sort of like an unkillable killer, though.
Both die by impalement.
No, actually shot. Second one was shot.
Oh, that's true. He gets very shot, but impaled first.
So like Vince as well looks like Peter Stromae playing
the like villain from last action here.
He looks like a mixture between Peter Stromae and the villain from last action here.
You know, is it Tom Noonan plays like the? Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks like that.
It's like, what the fuck was going on here?
Like when you get that reveal of him, it's like Josh Lucas is a handsome guy.
Do you know what I mean? It's like a kind of time store
Matthew McConaughey.
And then he's like, what the fuck have they done to this guy?
What happened? That's what I bet.
Like, I know he says all they keep telling is like,
oh, you got him of a bad crowd.
It's like, how bad is this crowd?
You know, not like craps behind the the gas station.
Bad. But I think a step below that.
Well, yeah, I mean, I played craps behind a gas station.
Those are usually pretty stand up guys.
Yeah, I usually squat down when I'm playing craps.
That's how you shoot, right? Yeah.
Oh, we're talking about when I shoot.
That's for Pornhub.
You're going to have to add that to the outro now.
No, we need to tell people where they can find us.
Yeah. Nick will insert that no matter what.
I will. I'm always inserting.
I know we all I want to do is talk about stolen.
But you keep distracting me with pornography.
I so we talked about the terrible Australian character.
Now let's talk about all the terrible acting from everyone else.
I have a weird insults like calling the cage tapioca.
Oh, man. That that was a good cab driver.
Yeah, I'm going to start calling you tapioca.
That's weird. It is weird.
I don't even know what tapioca is.
Oh, it's like pudding with like little like kind of jelly balls and balls.
Yeah. Goo balls sort of like you guys have like Boba like bubble tea.
Oh, yeah. Yes. It's like calling bubble tea.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like, like, so you're like a weird eggnog
flavored pudding and very white, like tiny little like Boba balls in it.
Yeah. You reckon the character is supposed to say that was originally supposed to be not white.
Wasn't it the black cab driver?
It was a black cab driver.
Oh, that makes sense.
Then yeah, I'm with him. I'm with him.
Yeah. Call him tapioca.
Yeah, it's it's apt.
It's just a you've earned that right.
And you know what?
Getting called cracker eventually loses its meaning.
So you got to come up with new new white things. Yeah.
I don't know where he's going with that.
Yeah. So there's a lot of great supporting characters,
like especially in the cab world.
I think the cabbies are all the best supporting characters.
There's the guy who gets mugged in the beginning.
He was a cabbie, right? Mm hmm.
Or just like a alley person.
He was just like, I was just putting a cardboard.
It is like recycling. Yeah.
But when Hoyt takes off, he's like, hey, your ride's leaving you like, oh, that sucks.
Well, the thing also, thank you for pointing out the obvious.
You get Bertrum or whatever his name was calling him tapioca.
And then you get the the guy that works back at the dispatch guy.
He's cool. Oh, yeah.
The MVP of the movie right there.
Love your single best.
Lord. Yeah.
Also a killer name. Yeah.
I love anyone named Lafleur.
Oh, and cabbie white guy cabbie, who's obviously the worst cabbie
who got paid to just drive around that GPS location with a medallion.
Oh, right. The reveal went there. Yeah.
That's not my number.
I thought you meant Vincent. I'm like, yeah, he's pretty bad.
Oh, well, yeah.
But he's at least important to the story.
I love the reveal when Lafleur is like
saying about like, oh, he really put the Williams up my up my children.
And they're like, oh, they're in their 20s.
It's like, yeah.
Yes. He's a crime.
Putting Willis and children.
He's not my children. It's a specific.
That's a term.
Petrus, you're going to finally get us canceled.
That's what I'm here to do.
Infiltrate and all the other cage podcast just get canceled
and skirk off into the night.
That's right.
That's what we were going to be only one.
That was our plan.
I know we're doing a pretty good job of collecting all the cage podcasts at this point.
Yeah, we're going to harness everybody's power.
Yes.
What did also if you want to come for our finale sometime next year,
we're going to watch the two head to head movies that are going to decide
the best one in a in a movie theater somewhere in Seattle.
So come on by. Yeah.
Yeah. All you have to do is use your own money to get here.
Yes, that's it.
Put yourself up.
But you can hang out with Darryl. Yeah.
I know Darryl is not for this.
I fucked Darryl that.
What did Darryl call us fucking cowards for?
I don't remember. I think we didn't put something in our butts.
Something but related.
It was definitely but related. Yeah.
Yeah, I agree. That'll get you called cowards.
Yeah, you cowards.
Five fingers or nothing, boys.
Oh, OK.
I'm going up your ass.
But that block of gold up your ass.
Otherwise, you're nobody's to me.
When you put the pine cone in your ass, do you do it the hard way first
or like the hard way out?
You do it. You do it.
So the so the the crinkly bits are going in first.
So it's going to be harder to pull out.
Yeah. So it's real suffering.
Yeah, you're doing real suffering. Yeah.
It's a pain and pleasure kind of combo.
You know, you got to have both. Yeah. Balance.
It's like putting an umbrella in and then opening it and trying to pull it out.
That's that's what we want.
That's what we want. Full maximum pain.
And that's when you really get the humorous visual of an umbrella going inverted.
So I imagine you just like let out like one big rip of a fart
and it like turns it inside out similar to like a high wind.
And then you get out Scott free. That's smart. Yeah.
That's the truth.
But then you have to have a whole curvy handle part go in first.
It's like a it's like the parachute on the back of a NASCAR.
Yeah, exactly.
Or not an NASCAR, but a dragster.
What? I don't know cars.
I don't either. Yeah.
The Batmobile. The Batmobile.
It's like the parachute on the back of the Batmobile.
Just pop that umbrella. You're all good.
Yeah. Use those kegels.
Cage knows what he's doing. He's he's he's texting.
He's texting from his office prison wallet.
So he's got to pop those kegels and that umbrella pops out.
There you go.
So as you write down, go, go, gadget, but umbrella,
then you just pop into your way out of jail.
There you go. Just hanging down.
I think I downloaded the wrong inspector gadget.
I think the only relevant note that I have from watching this
the first time that I immediately had the same thought was cops are dumb
and they suck. Yeah.
They really are the worst.
Like from the beginning, it's like, oh, he's going to rob the diamond place.
Don't follow them into the toy store
where they broke into whatever their goal is.
Just only look for them at their end location,
which can not be anything other than the diamond place,
even though you should know that there is a bank on the other side of the same block.
I like how the bank vault when they're breaking into it,
it actually only has two tumblers.
You just need to do it's all.
And then it's not like they're storing
thousands of pounds of gold in there or something.
Oh, is it like 10 million dollars?
That's it, right? The 10 million dollars.
Because it's cash.
Yeah, it was 10 million in cash that they took,
which was conveniently like a vacuum sealed for them.
And then billions of dollars in gold, which is dumb. Yeah.
How would you fence gold, especially in bar form?
How would you fence it in giant burned ass nugget form?
I mean, you re smelted into knives and then you just sell gold knives. Smart.
I think you just make golden pine cones.
Yeah, yeah. Right.
Yeah. And then you'd stick them up your butt and get them out the hard way.
Chinatown, that's where you like get rid of anything sketchy.
Yeah, makes sense.
You want to go to Chinatown later? Sure. OK.
But nuggets.
Also, he's very slow at running.
Like he looks like he's trying really hard in this movie,
and he is the slowest motherfucker.
Do they just kind of speed it up a little bit like old man car chases?
I don't think they sped anything up.
It looks like he's really running hard and it's like, hmm,
that is a jog at best.
Like you're trying to run away from a bunch of cops with a lot of guns.
Well, you probably don't. Happy cops.
Like he is running away.
I don't think you're just allowed to shoot someone.
You're not supposed to just shoot someone in the back if they're fleeing.
I mean, these are police we're talking. Yeah, I know.
That's why I caught myself and said, you're not supposed to.
Yeah, I'm sure he was not going to finish that sense.
I'm sure he didn't get a lot of yard time to like work on his cardio.
So that that is the flaw.
That's actually probably a feature of prison is like,
yeah, we're not going to give you cardio because if you try to escape,
we want to catch you real fast.
It's true. They should just give like lots of snacks.
Yeah, ice cream.
Just turkey based ice cream to keep you docile and fat.
Yeah, I think that that probably would work.
Probably wouldn't. I'll try it.
I'll get an ice cream maker and I'll puree a turkey. Nice.
Beaks and all.
Yeah, I mean, do you guys have more stuff that you really want to say about still?
I do want to talk about the awesome car chases like the very practical car chases.
Oh, yeah. Like when they're in that parking garage.
Yeah. Oh, right at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah. And then he jumps out like behind the car.
Oh, man. And he's when he's got the stolen cab and he's like
jumping stuff. Pretty good. Yeah, dude.
That's all. I love a good car chase.
I like a good practical car chase.
Yeah, there's that moment as well when he like breaks his own farm
to get out of the handcuffs, knocks out the two cops.
And I'm pretty sure the the the like car flips over
and like dark side grinds across a rail.
Jimmy is like fucking gnarly.
He's like, yeah, come on.
He's like, give me flashbacks playing Tony Hawk Pro Skater three.
Baby. Yeah.
The action in this movie is pretty pretty solid for 2012.
Yeah. Yeah. For a 2012 Nicolas Cage movie.
It's pretty fun. Yeah.
It keeps the story moving really well and never feels like it really lags.
It's a steady pair of hands like Simon West, right?
Because obviously some of his films aren't the best.
Like it's the guy who directed Con Air.
He knows how to direct action.
So even if everything else falls down, like the action's
really fucking solid in this movie.
Yeah. Just a few complaints about some writing. Yeah.
But otherwise, I think it's a solid movie. Same.
Worthy of a second round. Yeah.
Yeah. Petrus in the Venn diagram of good cage, good movie, bad cage, bad movie,
good, bad, bad, good.
Where would you slot this guy?
Oh, this is a hard one, because it's like my like
my head says bad movie, but my heart says good movie
and my heart says good cage.
Yeah, I think it's good cage, bad movie.
Is that right?
I don't know. I'm second guessing myself now.
Was it bad cage, good movie?
I don't know. This is a curveball right now, fellas.
Because I unashamedly love this movie despite it being shit.
I like forgive the fact that the cage is pretty ropey in it as well.
I was going to I was going to put it in the bad cage. Good movie.
It's a fine like movie. It's a solid.
It's you know, it moves quick.
It's got a decent story writing to me and cage isn't the most cagey about it.
Like this movie isn't served by Nicolas Cage being in.
It probably could have been a number of other actors
and been just as good.
Yeah, we wouldn't have been watching it, but true.
We don't watch anything without Nicolas Cage at this point. No.
I think it's a. Bad cage, bad movie that I love.
Yeah, I think that's a good caveat to it,
because like it is a bad movie, but it is also fun
and I did not have a bad time. Right.
Yeah. Cinematically, it offers nothing to the world, but it's enjoyable
and it's only 90 minutes long.
So that's pretty good.
All I want at this point.
It begs the question as well, would this have been any better
with the two people they went with before Cage, which was Clive Owen
and Jason Statham? Yes.
Statham, I could see this being pretty fun.
And it makes sense that he would be so shitty at talking to his daughter.
I could barely talk.
Exactly. Yeah.
Like a neanderthal. Yeah.
I think it's a terrific, terrific film.
Excellent way to spend a Sunday morning.
Yeah, I know. I watched it this morning as well, and it was
it was a fine way to start my morning with my with a cup of coffee,
dog, cat and stolen.
Any final thoughts on this film before we move on?
The only thing I have to say on this film is I love the reference to Conn
when the code name MC Ganey uses his diamond dog.
I was kind of like there is like a cage devotee being like,
oh, they're referencing that and the like bunny thing.
It's like, oh, he's got that fucking bunny.
Like put that bunny back in the box, baby.
I really enjoyed Vince's line about being broker than a dead dick dog,
which for me is just a reference back to Army of One
where Nicolas Cage makes some comment about a broke dick dog.
Well, wouldn't it Army of One be a reference to this?
Maybe. I don't know.
But I saw Army of One before I saw this.
So that time works.
That and on second watch as well, when Vince like
he re kidnaps Mia, like puts her in the puts her in the trunk.
Yeah, it's a little kid who sees him.
What I didn't notice the first time is he like he flips him flips in the bag.
Like secretly like, fuck you, you creepy old fucking weirdo.
Yeah. Well, Vince is just putting the willies in all the children.
Yeah, of course.
Red Rock, Red Rock West, Red Rock West.
I love this movie. I still love this movie.
It's solid from the beginning.
The the score, the opening shots of him getting out of the car
and like one arm push ups.
Yeah. Doing his sick ass one arm push ups, proving that he's a badass
is busted up knee.
Yeah, it's his stern and bush.
Got to have stern and bush.
This movie, it gets me every time.
I love the the story, the pacing.
Laura Flynn Boyle, as terrible as she is.
Like she offers nothing.
She's dead behind the eyes.
President Cooper himself. Yeah.
Yeah. And it's like weirdly, all three of them are like
and Dennis Hopper are like, yeah, David Lynch alum as well.
Is it kind of feels like a kind of like this
weirdly could be a David Lynch film.
It would be hella a lot weirder.
But like it's kind of in that world that he likes to play in, like
kind of, I don't know.
Yeah, I love these kind of neo Western noirs.
Yeah, we recently covered White Sands on getting to fo you,
which is like a very similar film to this.
Well, like to fo pretends to be a guy and then things go wrong,
which is basically the the the the premise of this film as well.
And I kind of I love that this this film is so tight and such a great
like thriller that like even Lara Flynn Boyle, you can you can forgive,
even though she could have been she could have been replaced with
Mary Elizabeth, Masha and Tony or I don't know.
Yeah. Any any other kind of cardboard stand?
Yeah. Just real quick for our listeners.
The whole premise of this film is Nick Cage down on his luck trying to get a job
in oil fields of Wyoming has a bumleg so doesn't get it.
Rolls into the town of Red Rock and is offered a job
only to find out that it's to kill the bar owner, Wayne's wife and hilarity then ensues.
Yeah. So he mistaken he's mistaken for somebody else because of his license plate.
License plate gets gets roped into this whole assassination attempt
and that Lara Flynn Boyle will turn on its head, try to get him to kill Wayne.
And he just takes the down payment on both assassinations and skips town only to like you should.
Yeah, which is the correct move. Yeah.
And a pre Internet era. Yeah.
This movie, like every part of this movie could have just been solved with a cell phone.
What kind of cell phone? A Blackberry?
Because because that didn't get what's her face out of the back of that cab.
Sorry, Mia.
Lyle shows up a week late.
Got to call them.
Hit the guy on the side of the road.
Could have just called 911.
I mean, pre Internet era, it wouldn't make sense,
but it's just looking at things through time and going back to things like this movie couldn't exist now.
Yeah. Cinema was a lot better before cell phones.
Yeah. Well, yeah, that's why you get like loads of great filmmakers making period films, right?
Soon as you have the invention of the phone, it's like it just ruins everything.
Like you say, with this film, it is not just that it feels like it's just a movie.
It feels like obviously it wouldn't work in a modern setting.
It is very much the archetype of when people say they don't make them like they used to.
It's like this kind of trashy mid budget thriller for adults isn't really made these days,
especially not for like cinematic release.
This is like the kind of thing.
If you're lucky goes the streaming and like I don't think it would be near as good as like a film like Red Rock West is.
No, because they put like Ryan Reynolds or something in it.
You wouldn't just put a guy who looks like a guy because this is peak Nick Cage.
Just looking like a normal dude era.
Yeah. Yeah.
You did get me thinking that I'd love to see a thriller set in the height of the pager era.
Like things are getting really tense and like he's like, oh, hold on.
I got to I got to find a pay phone and I just wander off and like call somebody back.
I go there in the cab and the cab's gone.
We kind of got that with Blade Runner.
Oh, yeah. I do love how science like all this great science fiction we've had for decades.
And the one thing no one could ever imagine was a cell phone except Star Trek.
Star Trek got that one. Yeah, they had that pretty much cracked forever ago.
Speaking of cracking. Watching.
I watched Red Rock West last night, stolen this morning, then went over to Nixon, watched Red Rock West again
and watching stolen Red Rock West back to back like this could be the same guy.
Yeah, it's easy to think that he runs off with that money, learns to steal banks because he makes a reference to stealing banks.
One of his early lines in the film is like, maybe I'll maybe I'll rob a bank.
I think this film does really good work in portraying that like he is a good guy.
Like he's a kind of white hat character because he has the opportunity to steal that money in the gas station and doesn't do it.
And like every kind of opportunity, like there are, I guess the one thing that this film falls down on,
and I guess it's like a big part of it is like what pussy will do to a motherfucker?
Because soon as like Lara Flynn Boyle is like, let's run away to Mexico.
He's like kind of like pussy struck and is like, OK, let's do this.
And he's like, if he had just kind of like stayed with Dwight Yoakam in that like truck.
Fuck yeah. Just get north. Stay with Dwight Yoakam, baby. Get out of there.
Neither Lara Flynn Boyle or Wayne, whatever is JT Walsh.
JT Walsh. Neither of them play stand up people like morally upright individuals.
They both paid him to knock off the other one.
It wouldn't hurt my feelings if he just like noped the fuck out of Wyoming.
No, not at all. Especially with Dwight Yoakam, that dude, his character fucking rules.
Everything about him was so good. How's that tickle you?
Yeah. Do I look scared to you? Kind of badass.
I forgot I was texting Peter Wall.
This was while I was watching it last night and I completely forgot that Wayne is the sheriff.
Oh, yeah. So that little reveal of like he didn't do the murder.
And then like he has to wait for the sheriff to show up at the hospital
and Wayne walks in with his cowboy hat on like, ah, you done fucked up.
There's just this whole thing is just like a crisscross, double cross, uncross cross,
kind of a situation.
Yeah, everything's so circular, even like leaving and returning to Red Rock.
Yeah, that's a great little motif, right?
Every time it's like I'm getting out. No, I'm coming back.
Like every night when she says we got to go back to get the money.
So no, you kind of go there.
It is one of those movies where like you are every time he makes a decision.
You like even though I've watched this countless amounts of time, I'm like, just don't do it.
You always are willing to do to to do the opposite each time.
If like the guy he hits with the car, if that guy would have just died right then.
He'd have been home free. He wouldn't.
He could be. Yeah.
I got another fuck two bullets in your stomach and you get hit by a car
and you have the audacity to stay alive and make things hard for the main character.
God damn rude.
But surely if that is the case, he could say, no, it wasn't.
It was it was a woman who shot me.
Well, that's a good point, right?
Like, unfortunately, he was in the coma, but yeah, fucking comas.
Well, our convenient.
Even the deputy is just like, you want to put it on this guy,
the guy who brought him into the hospital.
Yeah. The way they speak to him, though, when they're like when he's like,
they're like, oh, where's your car and stuff like that?
And he's like, oh, just going to go move it.
Like, I'm not going anywhere.
He's like, well, these two bullets say otherwise, buddy.
Like, you got to stay here.
It's like, you know, the deputies come in strong.
I consider it like when it gets to like the latter stages of it, they're kind of like
see, well, they get they learn about Wayne's fucking.
Was it Kevin? His real name?
Like, yeah, Kevin. Yeah.
I want a list and stuff like that.
It's like then they're like real, real nice guys.
But to begin with, they're coming in real fucking thick and hard on cage.
It's probably the most action those guys have ever seen.
So they're a little nervous.
They're like, OK, we we're going to do it.
We're going to get in there.
We're going to get this guy.
Let me see your butt.
Oh, shit. I mean, look at these bullets.
What?
Yeah, it came out before I got the sentence right.
I don't know, man.
Every interaction with cops I've ever had ends with let me see your butt.
Yeah. This movie also has the ending where the cops just let him get away
because he's on the train.
He's pushed Laura Flynn Boyle out of the train with the money.
Great. They're like, I love.
And the cops are right behind them.
They stopped to get Laura Flynn Boyle and they just let the train keep going.
Like they don't keep following him.
I mean, they got the money for the most part.
And at least one person who was complicit.
Yeah. Yeah.
That seems like a good day on the force.
Back in the 90s, tracking drifters was a lot harder
because they didn't have cell phones.
Now, they just have cell phones.
Yeah. All drifters have cell phones.
They keep them in their bindle.
Have you ever had a call your butthole?
Have you ever had a homeless guy ask you for money and then like prefer
or like pull out like a square?
So you could like pay with your phone.
Like you have a bank account, sir.
Yeah. I mean, I've seen it and it's like, oh, no, I'm definitely not tapping on that.
That was turned down like free food.
I don't really like tuna.
It's got a free buddy.
Scrape it off. Have some soggy bread.
I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
Of the Mayo.
I had a good one once, though, where I was by Dick's Burgers.
And I was like, do you want a burger?
And he was like, you know what, man?
Like, could you get me a salad from somewhere?
And I was like, yes, I can do that. Yeah.
I think I asked this on the first time we went around this movie.
But why the fuck do they try and jump the train?
Because it's cool.
And well, because there's a dead cop like a block away.
And they just drove away from the scene.
I don't know. I feel like you could have not gone to all that trouble.
Like they basically almost die.
Well, did you watch the recent John Oliver on freight trains? I did not.
Freight trains can be incredibly long. Yeah. Like miles long. OK.
Well, this makes more sense.
So you don't want to get stuck behind it.
And if anything happens, you know, especially if you just killed a cop.
Yeah. It'll shut down an intersection for a long time.
Why try and outrun the train when you could drive the other direction
and the train will end quicker?
Allegedly, it could be miles long, but it's going at a certain speed.
That way, you're going a certain speed.
I feel like there's a math problem here that we can solve.
Follow you that way.
If you get in front of the train and crossover now, their host.
I guess they go the other way.
Well, then they would definitely lose you because you'd have time to escape.
I mean, to be fair, there are only two other cops.
There was three.
Yeah, that's that poor woman who's doing like the dispatch.
I was just.
Yeah, the body in the background while she's on the dispatch
is my favorite part of that.
There is a hospital there.
Don't touch anything.
It's all evidence, including the corpse that we're propping up behind you.
I think the gnarliest move is that Hopper shoots that guy.
And then the next scene you see him, he's just eaten that sandwich.
And he's like, I love turkey.
Yeah, turkey sandwich. My favorite.
Like Hopper, like loses it as this movie goes on.
Like he shoots out his own car's
driver's side window to prove a point,
a point that nobody can make afterwards because nobody can hear
the point being made.
He's a good villain in this.
Like he he seems monstrous, right?
Like he continues, especially the way that he becomes hard to kill
until getting shot 11 times or whatever it is. Nine.
He seems like a good fucking monster.
Yeah. Yeah.
I do love how the movie that immediately followed this was Super Mario Brothers
and Hopper's IMDB.
Those both came out in 93.
When did he die? Did he die after that?
2010. OK.
So I mean, he did technically die after that.
But yeah, just, you know, he still got upcoming projects.
He's got he's got rereleases of like early voice narration work he's done.
But when I IMDB him today, it was like three upcoming projects.
I'm like, what?
Hardest working man in Hollywood right there, baby.
I love that like cage as well as kind of like done his Lyle
from Texas in Sympathy for the Devil,
which is essentially like an hour and a half of that scene
where they're like in the car and he's like going by gunpoint
telling him to drive.
It's just like him and Joe Kinnaman.
And yeah, I love that movie.
That's got good tension.
Oh, yeah. No, that's a good.
That's a good little connection there.
Nick Cage had better hair and a better jacket.
Yeah, the red hair was terrific. Yeah.
Yeah, but like Lyle from Texas is like, it's great.
Like with the kind of like Western shirt.
I love his kind of like get up and it's kind of introduction as well.
It's like almost like
it's almost like a scene out of Raising Arizona,
the way that like Cage is like up against the bumper.
Like that kind of shot is amazing.
And he's like, if I didn't get my brakes fixed, boy, you'd be
I'd be picking you out of my radio.
My radiator. Yeah, it's amazing.
Like that kind of like what half hour into the movie.
You get the introduction of it's just so great.
It's just like the tension and release in this film
and like the little scenes like when he's climbing on the roof
and getting onto Dwight Yocum's truck, it's just like
it's just pure visual crack of like, yes, come on.
I love that shit.
Everything shot really well to be like,
these are the actions that I wanted them to take the most.
Like, yeah, get on top of the the bar.
Perfect way to escape.
Somehow there's a bunch of construction materials. OK.
They were working on high quality, high quality American wood.
That is good.
You know, they don't make like two by fours like they used to.
I had to I had to tell people this this morning.
It's they're just not the same.
They they use younger trees now.
The the ring's structure and the fibers aren't as tight.
I do. Your house is burned down too fast now. Right.
I do love the scene, though, where he's like tight rope
walking on the two by four over the truck.
And you just got this scene of Wayne just like looking around.
And you just see him. It's it's like a cartoon.
It's the Spider-Man rule.
Villains never look up.
Yeah, it's a great like it's almost like a split dioptic shot, isn't it?
But you've got them both in focus, like that's great.
Like all of the kind of like setups in this
like is just these kind of small little scenes that kind of all play into it,
which is like one bad decision after another.
Oh, like when Lyle is up in the bathroom and they shut off the tub water
and he turns around just in time for Cage to throw that statue at his head.
The equestrian statue. Yeah.
Such a good one.
He just like pops out. Doink.
And then just like cold coxum after that.
Yeah. It's Hopper's line as well when he
eventually talks to JT Walsh's character and he's like, he's like, did they get away?
So I've been I've been staring at my eyelids for the past hour.
Wayner, I don't know what the fuck's going on.
I love Wayner.
Wayner is such a good nickname for that fucking guy.
It just sounds like wiener every time.
But like if somebody from Texas was just just calling you a wiener.
All right, Wayner.
Reach for the sky.
I'd like I'd I'd be interested to know how much of this is Dennis Hopper
just like spitballing.
Jimmy, I'm just like like that delivery.
Like when he yeah, when he says about like the turkey sandwich, like turkey.
My favorite is like, I just feel like that's Dennis Hopper.
It's like they actually had a turkey sandwich on set.
And he's like, can I just eat that?
Yeah, 93. He's got the most star power out of anybody in the movie.
So he definitely got the most leniency in this.
I would love to have Dennis Hopper just ad lib at my wedding, funeral,
something like that. Yeah, you're too late.
No, not for either of those, right?
Well, because he's dead. Right.
Yeah, I'm neither dead nor married.
So yeah, but he can't do it when you do die or get married.
He's got upcoming projects. Yeah.
Well, I have we did.
We broke we briefly touched on this before we got started.
And Nick and I both kind of have looked at each other when we were watching this.
The sex scene where his silhouetted belt buckle
definitely looks like an erect penis. Yeah, 100 percent.
I don't know. I don't know if that was an accident.
And they were like, oh, that's a happy accident.
That looks like a dick for sure.
Or if they engineered that either way.
Yeah, it was well shot. I was a big fan.
It's definitely like that would have been the place in the VHS
that would have been worn out where you put it on pause.
Do you mean a rewound in a bunch?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That whole bit just goes fuzzy.
I was definitely there.
That's why you can't find VHS is this movie anymore. No.
I'm pretty sure that that was
engineered into the movie.
They're like, OK, well, interest may be waning.
Like we've put them in this hotel room.
Let's let's make people think that they see cages dork
and we'll we'll just move with that.
Those early days, he might not have had the star power to say no.
Probably could have gotten away with it.
We might have seen it.
Yeah, this is this is pre Oscar wins.
So I reckon he could have been game for it as well.
You know, my hog on show. Let's go, baby.
You want to be a star, don't you?
I mean, Harvey Weinstein's just in the background like, yes.
Oh, well, anything revealed from watching this another time?
I mean, at this point, you've seen it a dozen times or so or whatever.
But any any fresh insights?
It's a banger. I still love it.
This is still my favorite discovery of this whole project,
because most of these other movies I've heard about and the ones
I haven't heard about, there's reasons I didn't hear about them.
But this 93 classic, which has got a pretty high score on Rotten Tomato, is awesome.
It's one of Cage's like highest rated movies on Rotten Tomatoes
and just feels like criminally underseen.
Like it's one of those ones that you mention to people
and they kind of like look at you glassy eyed and it's like, no,
it's really fucking great.
Like, like I think it's because nobody can pronounce the title.
I mean, Red Rock West, Rock West really have to enunciate it like a madman.
So like, I'm not going to remember that.
Nick, was it you met someone recently who was like, Oh, well, I mean, it's not met.
But I know somebody like I was they were just discovering that I had this podcast
and they're like, Well, have you talked about Red Rock West yet?
And I was like, yes. But also, awesome.
I'm so glad that that's the movie that your mind goes to.
Yeah. Future future guest, Seth, his mom for Halloween last year,
she heard about the podcast and she was like, Red Rock West,
have you watched that one yet? I was like, we did it recently.
And she's like, good movie.
I feel like this is a similar to like in unbearable
weight, how everybody just associates Nicolas Cage with another movie like,
oh, that Moonstruck motherfucker. Yeah.
Yeah. It's the Moonstruck guy from Croods or whatever.
Like everybody's everybody's got their Nicolas Cage movie
that doesn't have to be part of the Trinity.
It's I recommend this movie to everybody.
I can't. Well, now. Yeah.
This and now that I would consistently tell people to watch.
Well, because this this is one of the ones as well.
It's like Cage doesn't he's not really dining out on what makes him cage.
He has a couple of moments like when he like says to Lara Flynn Boyle,
it's like that.
Freddie Oz, he's dead.
And all like, you know, she's like, What about Mexico?
It's like, Fuck Mexico.
Like all of those all of those moments like it's like,
oh, that's that's like the cage we pay to go see.
But like everything feels like I have a thing on my podcast.
So it's like and cage freak outs and everything in this is like,
well, I'm sure if you were put in this pressure cooker situation,
you would probably would be reacting the way he is.
So like, yeah, I think I think this is this is up.
There's like one of the best cage films for me.
That's a very fair assessment.
There for me. Yeah.
Well, we're not shy about how much we love this movie here.
So yeah, absolutely.
It's fair to assume that it's a walk off winner anytime we watch it.
Which brings us to.
Well, good cage bad movie.
Well, I don't even think we have to worry about that at this.
As good cage, good movie.
Good cage, good movie.
You cage. Good movie.
Between these two films, Petros, which one would you put forward in the bracket?
With the caveat, your opinion does not matter whatsoever to what actually goes ahead.
Oh, it's obviously stolen, isn't it?
Yeah, good choice.
It's Red Rock West. Red Rock West has got my heart.
As I mentioned, maybe off air like, yeah,
I had the good fortune of doing a video essay about Nick Cage's performance in this film.
And I did that for free because I love this film so much.
That and they didn't offer me any money.
Exposure, baby.
But yeah, I just think it's Red Rock West is, as I said, one of the best
Nick Cage movies, and it's always a joy because it is underseen.
It feels like you're in like a kind of, I don't know, like a secret club
of like people who have seen it and like like like you're saying,
like when people mention it and you kind of have that knowing like,
oh, yeah, we've both seen this.
Isn't that great?
And like, I just hope to share the film with like more people.
And like maybe years to come, it will be like the cult classic that it is.
I know it's like, yeah, U.S.
It's really hard to get a hold of unless like you buy an old DVD of it.
Maybe if it gets a 4K, eventually we'll know the truth.
Was it his dick or was it a bellbuckle, baby?
We'll have to compare it to a lot of Zonda Lee.
Yeah, I'm a Dick Truther.
Dick Truther.
I subscribe to the flat dick theory
that wasn't his dick.
He's got flat dick.
So you guys, what do you think?
I ask knowing already, I can't follow that with a joke.
So I guess.
Oh, 100 percent Red Rock West.
It's a great movie. Sorry, stolen.
Also a fine movie, but it's not a great movie.
I will definitely go back and rewatch Red Rock West.
If I never see stolen again, I'm not going to be upset about it.
I mean, I'll probably watch stolen again.
I'll probably actually remember which one it is because I keep getting it
mistaken with like Rage, which is a far so like inferior, inferior movie.
But it's you know, that's the whole like premise of like the the daughter
and what happened and whatnot and figuring it out.
And he's got crime jackets and a criminal past.
It's crime song.
He's got crime music in this one.
Dada da da da da da. No, but he's got his CCR.
He's got his rich.
He's got a CCR ritual in this and then he's got the lowrider ritual in.
Yeah, I'm 60. Yeah, true.
It's easily confused with that whole spate of like 2010s
movies where it was just like a single word.
Do you mean justice stolen?
Take it. Just like, yeah.
Well, what is going on?
Yeah. Give me a title that reminds me what I'm watching
a year later when I rewatch it.
Yeah. Red Rock West. Exactly.
I always know Red Rock West.
It's just hard to pronounce. Yeah.
Which is fine.
Makes it more memorable.
Flat Dick Theory.
Mm hmm. All right, Pedros.
Where can we we've talked about already, but for a good outro clip,
where could we find you on the Internet?
Where could people follow you?
So you can follow Caged in Caged in Pod on Twitter, Instagram and Tiktok.
And you can find Getting Defoe You on all the same places,
which is Defoe You Pod.
Both podcasts are super fun.
Caged in.
Not only have I covered every single Nicholas Cage film,
I've managed to interview tons of people who have worked on the films
or work with Nicholas Cage down the line.
So we've mentioned Pig quite a couple of times.
Yeah. A few times in this.
I did a series called The Pig Cast where I interviewed the writer,
the director, the composers of the score and even the chef
who Caged shadowed to look like a chef in the movie.
And then, yeah, Getting Defoe You is a seasonal based look at Willem Defoe's career,
which is tons of fun.
I hosted it with Darrell Edge, who's also been on this podcast way back when.
And yeah, that is really fun.
I get to be the great I get to be the second man on that podcast.
Darrell does the heavy lifting.
So I just get to derail us and talk about Willem Defoe's cock
any given opportunity. So I'm doing us.
That's a that's a sweet way to describe it.
It's a good gig.
I understand. I feel that gig a lot.
That is my my bread and butter. Just wiener talk.
Yeah. The grenade man just throw that grenade in and watch everyone else go.
Oh, I guess we're going to deal with this now.
Now, why do we have to hear about Nick's past again?
We've we've known each other.
We've all known each other a while. We're used to it.
Plus, you know, it'll get fixed in post.
Yeah, I do like to add chores to Peter.
It really makes his editing time like hell much longer.
Thank you.
Nobody's ever said that about me before, but thank you.
Long and flat. God damn it, Peter.
Like a platypus tail.
No beaver tail.
I don't know. They got tails.
Yeah. So thank you to our sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt
and Adam and our cage dancers, Ira, John Freeman and Lance.
And that's all I got. Red Rock West fucking rules.
Hey, Nick, where can you find us on the Internet?
You can totally find us on Pornhub now.
I've made an account.
Just start searching for cage match colon around about way of meeting Nicolas Cage
or cage underscore match underscore pod.
I think either of those will find you something.
And if you don't find us, well, just stick around and maybe
you'll find something that tickles your fancy.
You'll find us colon incest twins or something like that.
Cage match pod colon step brother.
What are you doing?
Flat dick, flat dick theory.
Stuck in a washing machine. Uh huh. Uh huh.
Yeah, bye bye. Bye bye.
I don't know.
Speaking of apologies, I'm a Clive Owen apology.
I love Clive Owen.
I got no beef.
Shoot him up is so much. Oh, that's a hell of a fun movie.
I love it when he starts pulling the trigger with a carrot. Yeah.
Yeah, I like when he shoots him up. Yeah, it's good.
I like the pot with the guns.
Apology, a modest. What else do you want?
Peter Stormare. I don't know.
MC Ganey. Oh, yeah.
Always more MC Ganey. Yeah.
I'm just trying to think how many times do you go to flip someone off,
realizing you have to like.
Oh, the phantom. Yeah.
I mean, it would gross me out more.
Just see somebody give me three stumps.
Mm hmm. Yeah. Stumps.
Vicks. What was it? Thicken the stuff.
What did you say earlier?
Fuck, I don't know.
It was gross. Whatever it was.
Words just come out.
I don't remember anything I say here. Fantastic.
That's why we record it for posterity.
Yeah, right. And people's exhibit.
Hey, yeah.