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Oh, God. Oh, my God.

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What are you drinking?

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Camden Hell's Lager.

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I guess I guess it doesn't translate over to the US.

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Oh, we have lagers here.

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Bloody light, light bears, you pussies.

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Everything's fucking light, you fucking nancy pantsy fairies.

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Can't help it.

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Our country was founded by a bunch of fucking Quakers.

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They're afraid to dance. That's true.

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If it's more than three point five, we don't want to know.

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That's why. That's why.

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All right. It's working now.

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I'm going to go turn off the heat in my house and then then we're good to go.

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Yeah, this podcast is hot enough as it is, whoo,

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especially once we get this shit up on Pornhub.

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What? Yeah, that's the thing.

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That's the thing we're doing.

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Oh, yeah, I'm I'm going to be uploading all of our episodes onto Pornhub,

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similar to like YouTube, but amazing.

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I started the account and I've already got like five subscribers

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before even putting anything up.

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That is the weirdest thing, seen as we have no subscribers on YouTube. Yeah.

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Yeah, I think they just want me to resubscribe back to them.

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I don't know, which I totally will.

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I think I think Cage match would follow anybody willing to have 13 YouTube

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subscribers. Oh, shit. Look at that. All right.

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You got to try these things.

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We keep we keep tempting fight on getting to for you that we guess

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we keep saying to people, we'll get set up and only fans.

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I don't know what it would be, but.

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It doesn't need to be much, you know, they know what they're getting.

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Yeah, shirtless episodes.

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Just just the video of us, us, our tops off.

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Or you do what we do, just do bottomless episodes, but record it.

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But, you know, you have a table. Yeah.

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I'm bottomless right now.

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Fantastic. We knew you fit in.

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You guys feel in a strong way about either of these.

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I told them, Petrus, that you said that you're a stolen apologist

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and that you have a video essay about Red Rock West.

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So it's a perfect fit.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm a I am a I'm a star.

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Look, I watched it.

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I was like, you know, still still like it despite it being shit.

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It's still good. It's a solid little film.

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And then, yeah, Red Rock West, I think is, yeah, is great.

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I think it would be on the U.S.

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release that's coming out next year because it's like quite hard to get on

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Blu Ray out there. Is that very hard?

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We're just talking about that.

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Yeah. It's a gaping hole in my collection right now

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because the people who put out the UK Blu Ray who commissioned me to do the

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video essay like said that like someone from the U.S.

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is looking to license it, like license the special features as well.

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So like I think that is because just had a release in Australia as well.

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So there's hope at least.

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Who knows? Maybe it'll be a shout or something.

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They're always doing speak of Australians.

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I was trying to remember it in a stolen like there was one guy who was like,

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oh, God, that's the worst stereotype ever.

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Weirdly, it was the Australian guy.

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It was the Australian. Oh, the she was a.

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Oh, yeah. She's pregnant.

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Hey, yeah, not the best.

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Look, he just wanted to get his knob wet or whatever he said.

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We know the lingo.

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Yeah, that pregnant puss. Yeah.

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That that that's it.

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That scene he like says on the phone like, oh, I need to get off the phone,

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mate, because this cab drivers about to fly a wobbly and then persists to like

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talk to him. I got to tell you about the Sheila from last night, the Pregas one.

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It's like, what are you doing?

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You're fucking maniac.

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I got a good question.

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What does he mean there?

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What's firing a warbly or whatever that these are?

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These are things that don't translate like even more so than like beer with alcohol

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content. So that that is throwing a wobbly is like just fucking losing your shit.

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Basically, but in like a polite way to.

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Yeah, I mean, for a wobbly like he just got pissed off.

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Oh, yeah. So he read the situation incredibly accurately because Vince did

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fire a wobbly.

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He sure she fucking does.

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Yeah, he wobbles the shit out of that, dude.

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You think they could have maybe had some connection there because Vince goes on

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this whole rant about how just prisoners were sent here.

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It's like, are you guys going to talk about that?

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Yeah, that is true.

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That is true. That is true. The five pound five pound bombs.

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Yeah, yeah. He did have a lot like on his mind.

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He had some pressing shit going on.

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I can understand like maybe a rain check, but you know, he could have got him a

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Foster's that would have I would have smoothed the whole thing over.

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It is Australian for beer brewed in Germany, baby.

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In the dumbest big cans ever.

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I remember the first time I was a kid and I saw one of those and I tried to pick it

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up and I was like, this cans enormous.

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It's just a lot of garbage beer.

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Speaking of maximize.

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Speaking of ruining the illusion, welcome back to cage match.

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We're calling around about meeting Nicholas Gage.

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That's us. We're a podcast.

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Yep. I'm your host, Sean.

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Here with my co-host Nick and our producer, Nick Peter.

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Hello. And we are having we are we are professionals at this.

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We do this a lot and we're good at it.

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Right. And we're joined by one of the originators of cage match or a cage match

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of Nick cage podcasts Petros of the caged in Coppola connections and new project

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getting to foe you.

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Yeah, that's me.

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That's me. I'm I'm mentally insane as if Nicholas cage of his 105 credits wasn't

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enough. I now do a podcast all about William Defoe.

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That's like 147 credits.

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Yes, please.

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I had no clue. He was in that many flicks.

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That's intense. When we started the podcast.

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There was enough film.

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So we do it like season by season basis 10 films and there were enough films in his

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life up and coming to fill a whole season and it was just like what the fuck are we

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doing? Like I think this man this man's in his I don't know.

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He's like in his 60s, but I don't think he's got any signs of stopping like him and

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Nick cage of the two guys. It's like, oh, any given week is like they're in a new

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project or like, you know, they're like kind of they've signed on to 10 films, even

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though that might change with cage.

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He says we only got like three or four left and he's got a television.

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Yeah, I am skeptical on the entire thing.

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You figure someone rolls out another five million bucks or so.

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It's like hard to turn that shit down.

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I have a theory about the about the prestige TV like projects he wants to do.

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I think he's been trying to do that for a while.

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I think things like Primal are like they're meant to be pilots, hence the very low CG

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budget primal is perfect.

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I don't know why you chose that one.

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Even stolen has like some like this.

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This could have been like a serialized thing.

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Yeah, maybe speaking of which this week we were talking about stolen and Red Rock West.

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And what do we do on this podcast?

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John, we watched two Nicolas Cage films and we decide which one's the Cajest in a

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bracket style situation where eventually we'll all go insane.

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I thought we just argued over dick jokes.

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We do that as well.

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Okay, but we will decide what cages ultimate cagey film is based on our opinions,

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which change episode by episode.

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So you don't need to go back and listen to the older episodes if you don't want to.

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But you should because they're funny.

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So Petrus, how long have you been talking about Nicolas Cage at this point?

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So I've been talking about Nicolas Cage since 2017 and I did something that was

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totally insane when I first started off.

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I did like my first 10 or 15 episodes solo.

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So not even I can even I can even rope in friends to come talk about movies.

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I just like fuck it.

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I want to do this.

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I want to start a podcast.

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I'm just going to be a mad man on a microphone laying on my living room floor talking

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about Nicolas Cage and yeah, X amount of years later.

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Here I am.

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Not any wiser probably a lot dumber, but still having fun, baby.

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Yeah, I mean to 2017 that would have been around that time where he was in that really.

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Everyone thought he was terrible.

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You forget all the good work.

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He's done.

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He didn't really have his comeback and is self-effacing like joke persona.

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Yeah, he was thick in the slump.

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Yeah, thick in the slump is a good phrase.

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It's pre Mandy.

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I think Mandy's the kind of film that like people go like, oh, OK.

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There's still some like gas left in the tank.

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Yeah. Before then, Mandy to Pig was like the kind of like long arrival of Nicholas Cage

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again, like where people was second Renaissance.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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And the connoisseurs.

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That's cool.

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For me, the movie that really made me take notice was a color out of space like, oh,

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this guy, this guy knows what he's doing.

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He at least knows how to line up a project.

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Yeah. There's like a weird trilogy that I think do it is Mandy color out of space and

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Pig, which are like what I've dubbed the man of the woods trilogy because all of them is

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kind of like living out in like a secluded area.

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And weirdly, they're all edited by Brett Buckman as well, which seems to be a weird connection

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about those films.

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And maybe he is personally responsible for Nick Cage's rise to prominence once again.

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Well, thanks, Buckman.

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Good fucking work.

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It'll be something to look for to look out for when we're doing Mandy and color out of space

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again.

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What?

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What the editing?

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Don't those go up against each other?

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I was going to say that's brutal.

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Brutal head to head.

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Oh, no, we got color out of space versus vampires kiss.

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Oh, that's right.

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That's that's a brutal head to head to that one.

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That one's rough.

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He's doing the same voice in those movies as well.

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He brings back the Peter Lowe voice when he kind of gets colored out of space and that

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movie when he when the colors go.

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I mean, he's kind of like when he's taken by magenta.

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When he gets that big T-Mobile money.

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Speaking of cell phones, I have opinions on cell phones and stolen.

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Should we just?

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This is the perfect place to start talking about cell phones.

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Yeah.

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Stolen was a 2012 flick Simon West was the director.

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Yeah, you want to Petros you want to give us a little breakdown of what this movie is about?

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Yeah, it is about a famous bank robber who has a penchant for Creedence Clearwater Revival

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does one job that goes wrong when MC Ganey fucks him over and he goes to prison for eight

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years and then when he gets out his daughter is kidnapped and he is trying to get her back

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in a race against the clock.

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I forgot how this movie really does kind of like hit the ground running though.

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Like I mean, there's a little bit of you.

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He went away for eight years, but then it it's pretty non-stop movement for the entire

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thing.

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So the thing that always takes me out of this film, which I forgot until I rewatched it

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eight years in prison.

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Everyone else has lived their years for lives for eight years.

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No one's gotten a haircut.

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Everyone's got the exact same hair.

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Listen, when you figure out good hairstyles you stick with a man.

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It's kind of a white people thing.

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It's like this is what sets me apart from that other person over there.

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It's like this is how everybody else knows who I am that and if you go and see the same

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barber they will just cut you'll say something different.

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They'll just go.

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah, I'm giving you the same haircut.

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I've given you for the last 10 years buddy.

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Like we're not changing this up and it's weird that obviously Nick Cage.

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His hair doesn't change soon as this is like a re team up with Simon West and the last

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time Nick Cage's character went to prison.

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He came out with luscious long locks in Conair.

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Yeah, much better.

245
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Yeah, he's just got the same boring boring old man haircut that he had at the beginning.

246
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Well, anytime I go down to my barber who they questionably speak English, but they Tina.

247
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Yeah.

248
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Oh yeah, nice.

249
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Every time they cut my hair like the lady I'm sure she doesn't recognize me, but she's

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just like same as last time and I was like, I'm sure I don't think you were the same person

251
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as last time, but that might be a fault of my own.

252
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I mean as you established you all look the same.

253
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Yeah, and you know what she gives me the same cut and I'll tell her like yeah, same as last

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time just not quite so short on top of boom like short on top and it's like, ah, whatever.

255
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It's yeah, it's a $15 hair.

256
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You did say short on top.

257
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No, I said not so short on top.

258
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You did say the word short on top.

259
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Yeah, yeah, that's all she's hearing.

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It's like there's nothing more kind of embarrassing for a human being than that moment when a

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barber uses that mirror to show you the back of it and you're like you just go yeah, yeah,

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okay.

263
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.

264
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Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you've done something like it's just we're so polite to just be

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like you can't go.

266
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I know.

267
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Can you put some back on now, please?

268
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Yeah, right.

269
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Fuck this up.

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Like yeah, there's nothing you can do at that point.

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I always hit him with the yep.

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That's the back of my head.

273
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Yeah, like what do you want me to do about it?

274
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It's like well, I'm never going to see this again.

275
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We all wear glasses too.

276
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They always show me when I can't see shit and I'm like, mm hmm.

277
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Yeah, feels like a haircut.

278
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Oh, I make them wait.

279
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I pull the glasses back out and I put them back on and I'm like, yeah, okay.

280
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Underneath the couch.

281
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It's too short.

282
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Exactly.

283
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So it really looks like I'm doing something dodgy down there.

284
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But no, I'm just getting my glasses back out slowly.

285
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It's the same question is like, did you find everything all right?

286
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You always say yes, because what are they going to do?

287
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One time I was like, no, actually.

288
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And the person was like, well, that sucks.

289
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And we moved on.

290
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So all the cell phones in this movie.

291
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Yeah, let's get back to your cell phone problem.

292
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Our blackberries.

293
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Yeah. And I love when the daughter's in the trunk of the cab and she like

294
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cuts a hole through the upholstery and she's dialing nine one one on that.

295
00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,680
Yeah, the blackberry blackberry keyboard.

296
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Yeah, the keyboard.

297
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But you can't see anything.

298
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It's just the finger.

299
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Like, how do you know what button you're pushing?

300
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Oh, man, I used to be able to text like unseen in my pocket.

301
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Yeah, I got really good at that.

302
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It also made it look really inappropriate that I was doing some shit in my pocket.

303
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But yeah, but when you can crank out like multiple questions on a T9

304
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like keyboard and like send him well, oh, you felt like a god.

305
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I love texting.

306
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I think there is there is one knock here in the movie and Nick Cage

307
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managed to set it up in like lightning speed because there is that scene

308
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where he's going from like the shop inside of like the train station.

309
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Yeah. To like set it up.

310
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We're literally in like 30 seconds.

311
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He's got it set up and he's got it redirecting the calls to his other phone.

312
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It's like, wow, this guy's done eight years in prison,

313
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but he knows how to work a phone.

314
00:15:09,180 --> 00:15:12,880
Yeah. Well, if it had been an iPhone, he would have been completely lost.

315
00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,880
That's true. Flummoxed. Yeah.

316
00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,180
Well, fortunately, criminals aren't allowed to use iPhones.

317
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So that's a good point. Thanks, Apple.

318
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Yeah. Also, I'm pretty sure he got like a keistered Blackberry in prison

319
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at some point, so he practiced.

320
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So it works.

321
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Just really kind of makes me think differently about texting from your pocket.

322
00:15:34,180 --> 00:15:36,380
When he'll prison wallet. Yeah.

323
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You know, those using those anus muscles to text.

324
00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,880
Yeah, that's that's the final form right there.

325
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Just kegaling his way into like a Domino's pizza delivery.

326
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Sending a text message to his daughter.

327
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I still love you.

328
00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,040
I mean, you want the dominance because you need to get that phone out somehow.

329
00:16:02,940 --> 00:16:05,980
Changing the subject ever so slightly, I just got a text about my new

330
00:16:05,980 --> 00:16:10,080
my new dog I'm getting that I am naming Benjamin Franklin Gates.

331
00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,240
Yeah. Good dog name.

332
00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,940
It's a very good dog name.

333
00:16:13,940 --> 00:16:15,740
He does have a Benjamin Franklin Gates face.

334
00:16:15,740 --> 00:16:20,140
Yeah. One of my bosses suggested I name the dog Nick Cage.

335
00:16:20,140 --> 00:16:21,940
I'm like, no, but I'll name it after Nick Cage character.

336
00:16:21,940 --> 00:16:23,740
My other boss just threw out Benjamin Franklin Gates.

337
00:16:23,740 --> 00:16:25,740
I'm like, that's too funny not to use.

338
00:16:27,140 --> 00:16:29,740
First name, Benjamin Franklin Gates.

339
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Last name. Yeah.

340
00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,840
I like how it's just one three names, one word.

341
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Benjamin Franklin Gates.

342
00:16:35,140 --> 00:16:38,340
It's like how you want to have your nephew be named.

343
00:16:38,340 --> 00:16:42,540
Well, I've I've recommended that every child be named after me.

344
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Nicholas Michael, you can bleep all that out.

345
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I'll crack some of that.

346
00:16:46,340 --> 00:16:47,780
You're also going to crack out.

347
00:16:47,780 --> 00:16:49,940
I know Tennessee is the middle name

348
00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,940
because they're the only 10 I see.

349
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If I'm getting doxed, you're getting doxed.

350
00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,640
We're doxing everyone. Petros, you want to get doxed?

351
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What's your address?

352
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My name's Petros.

353
00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:02,780
Joe, I know. Yeah, that's true.

354
00:17:02,780 --> 00:17:03,920
I'm searchable, baby.

355
00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,340
They're my name's strong.

356
00:17:08,340 --> 00:17:10,380
There's a much more famous person with my name out there.

357
00:17:10,380 --> 00:17:11,240
Sam, all right.

358
00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,080
Hmm. Yeah, I'm like I've always thought it's a blessing and a curse.

359
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People I want to remember me, remember me.

360
00:17:17,340 --> 00:17:19,640
People I don't want to remember me, remember me.

361
00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,120
So having a name like Petros, like, fuck.

362
00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,920
So this was our second watch through on this.

363
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,040
I don't know if you went back to stolen at any point during your

364
00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,980
illustrious cage time.

365
00:17:30,980 --> 00:17:33,680
How did you find it this time?

366
00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,980
Um, well, I think I was a lot hotter on it the first time

367
00:17:37,980 --> 00:17:40,780
because it was the height of lockdown.

368
00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,420
And I think I was drinking far more than I am these days.

369
00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:49,620
So it's just like just so excited to be watching movies and not working

370
00:17:49,620 --> 00:17:52,140
and like just talking to people online about them.

371
00:17:52,620 --> 00:17:54,620
And that was the first time I ever watched it.

372
00:17:54,620 --> 00:17:58,780
And then like on this rewatch, I was like, oh, there are glaring

373
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things that are wrong with this movie.

374
00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,020
But I still came out the other side going,

375
00:18:03,020 --> 00:18:04,980
you know what? I think I like it.

376
00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:06,140
I was like, look on a letterbox.

377
00:18:06,140 --> 00:18:08,620
So there's like people I know going one star movie.

378
00:18:08,620 --> 00:18:11,080
I was like, this is a solid freestyle, baby.

379
00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,740
This is freestyle across the board for me.

380
00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:15,180
I'd give it three stars.

381
00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:17,940
Yeah, there's some continuity issues and a few like

382
00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,280
questionable moments and Vince's writing.

383
00:18:22,820 --> 00:18:25,380
I didn't I didn't care for the way his shit was written.

384
00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:28,020
But otherwise, you know, fucking solid movie.

385
00:18:28,020 --> 00:18:32,680
I absolutely love the chase sequence where like he jumps from roof to roof

386
00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,780
and his leg goes through the roof.

387
00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:38,140
Oh, yeah. He's like going to hop a banister and that just falls apart.

388
00:18:38,780 --> 00:18:40,980
That's, you know, very good.

389
00:18:40,980 --> 00:18:43,080
Like true post Katrina.

390
00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,140
New Orleans, like the place is falling apart.

391
00:18:45,780 --> 00:18:47,380
Beautiful city falling apart.

392
00:18:47,380 --> 00:18:50,540
This is like one of many films that Cage does in New Orleans.

393
00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:54,480
Right. And it just felt like, you know, at the time he's like, I live nearby.

394
00:18:54,820 --> 00:18:56,540
Like he's shooting shooting locally.

395
00:18:56,540 --> 00:18:58,380
Yeah, let's do it, baby.

396
00:18:58,380 --> 00:19:01,020
There's really no reason for it to be in New Orleans.

397
00:19:01,020 --> 00:19:04,880
Like, yeah, I mean, the conceit of it being Mardi Gras, I guess, because that

398
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,840
helps the cabs be around.

399
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,620
Yeah, but you could have like a parade in any town for sure.

400
00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,920
So like I was in a parade once.

401
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,340
It was great. Nice.

402
00:19:15,340 --> 00:19:17,640
Well, because I have the whole thing about it being Mardi Gras,

403
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,980
but then they changed the fact that the cabs don't have

404
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,720
the like New York style thing on the roof.

405
00:19:25,820 --> 00:19:27,180
Like the kind of down there.

406
00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:28,140
Yeah, yeah.

407
00:19:28,140 --> 00:19:30,920
They don't have the like number on the roof, which obviously is a big

408
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,580
plot point in this show, get the whole sequence of him like

409
00:19:34,380 --> 00:19:35,820
seeing the number.

410
00:19:35,820 --> 00:19:38,840
So obviously, like they've gone, oh, it's New Orleans, but we're going to

411
00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:41,280
we're going to make the cabs factually inaccurate

412
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,420
just because this scene doesn't work without it.

413
00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:48,280
Yeah. We want to like noodle in on weird continuity stuff.

414
00:19:48,620 --> 00:19:50,480
The fact that

415
00:19:50,780 --> 00:19:52,340
what's noodle, what's his name?

416
00:19:52,340 --> 00:19:53,980
The guy from Human Target.

417
00:19:53,980 --> 00:19:55,140
I don't even know what that is.

418
00:19:55,140 --> 00:19:57,680
We talk about the villain, Vincent, or you're talking about striker.

419
00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:00,040
Striker. What's human?

420
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,380
So the Fed?

421
00:20:01,380 --> 00:20:03,620
Not the main one, not the one with the hat, but his buddy.

422
00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:06,740
Oh, the fucking bad one who's like, I hope you got raped every day.

423
00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:08,440
Yeah, that guy. Yeah.

424
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,340
Who I know from Boston Legal and he was in Human Target, which is a TV show.

425
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,720
But over the course of the film, Nick Cage

426
00:20:16,420 --> 00:20:20,520
kicks his ass, handcuffs him, handcuffs him in an elevator and leaves him there.

427
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,980
And at the end of the film, Nick Cage has murdered a man,

428
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,220
escaped, like stolen some gold, escaped the authorities.

429
00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:31,120
And they, you know, strikers like, no, we're going to let him go.

430
00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:33,620
And at the end, there's a little gold left.

431
00:20:33,620 --> 00:20:36,520
He's like, if he doesn't throw it away, you know, you can book him.

432
00:20:36,660 --> 00:20:41,200
You can also book him on, you know, assault of you, several people murder.

433
00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:43,700
Yeah, but he did it in like good faith.

434
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,020
It was it was a solid, you know, overall.

435
00:20:47,020 --> 00:20:48,160
Yeah, but that's for sure.

436
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,620
But the other guy who wants to book him can still get him for all that.

437
00:20:51,220 --> 00:20:53,500
Right. Yeah. Mark Valley is the Mark Valley.

438
00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:54,220
That's yeah.

439
00:20:54,220 --> 00:20:58,200
So yeah, like I just love that little thing at the end where it's like,

440
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,600
you know, don't throw it, throw it, don't throw it, throw it.

441
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,660
It's like a million other things you could get them on breaking into a bank.

442
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,600
Also, why didn't they investigate if he threw the fucking gold in the water?

443
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,400
Couldn't you get the gold?

444
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,460
Oh, it's sinking the mud.

445
00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:14,220
And you never find it that New Orleans mud is deep.

446
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,800
Gold's heavy, as far as I know.

447
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,900
Twenty seven pounds per brick.

448
00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:22,160
Mm hmm. What about slagged bricks?

449
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,500
How many how many pounds was that nugget?

450
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,420
I think they said it was 10 pounds of gold that he was throwing.

451
00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:29,920
So like less than half a brick.

452
00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:31,960
Even though it looked bigger.

453
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,620
That'd be able to tell on like how how easy it was for him to throw.

454
00:21:35,860 --> 00:21:36,920
That'd be like that.

455
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,060
They're like gold to me.

456
00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:40,460
I look like a like a pine cone.

457
00:21:40,460 --> 00:21:42,800
To be fair, pine cones float also.

458
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,800
So it was if they really looked at it, they'd see the pine cone resurface.

459
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,920
And when it's when it's sinking, it doesn't look like a real pine cone.

460
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,120
Yeah, maybe it was a decorative pine cone.

461
00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,580
I don't know. That was just sitting on that outside table.

462
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,320
How many people just have concrete pine cones like this is my decorative.

463
00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:02,220
I pull this out for nice occasions.

464
00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:05,460
I do appreciate the fake outwear because when the cops show up

465
00:22:05,460 --> 00:22:08,680
then he'd been shot and, you know, he passes out in the helicopter.

466
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,380
The next scene is the daughter and the female character's name.

467
00:22:12,380 --> 00:22:18,360
I can't remember driving Riley, Riley driving, driving past a cemetery.

468
00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:21,600
And then it is go right past it to his RV where he's fine.

469
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,860
Yeah. The most suspenseful moment of the movie.

470
00:22:24,860 --> 00:22:26,600
Yeah, right there.

471
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,760
Well, that daughter just looks sad all the time.

472
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,140
So you never know.

473
00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:32,560
Maybe daughter should have thrown her in the water.

474
00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:38,760
How many movies start with Nick Cage going to meet

475
00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:41,960
his daughter that he hasn't seen in years

476
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,860
because he's been in jail with a stuffed animal?

477
00:22:43,860 --> 00:22:45,460
Well, at least at least two.

478
00:22:45,460 --> 00:22:46,100
I think there's more.

479
00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:49,000
I think we've had three stuffed animals.

480
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,500
There was another stuffed animal, but I don't remember if it was a prison

481
00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:54,040
related stuffed animal instance.

482
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,260
I think it was still an out of touch dad moment, though, where the kids like

483
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,940
stuffed animal. I don't even I'm like 15, dad.

484
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,060
Well, was it primal?

485
00:23:03,060 --> 00:23:06,060
Was he just trying to bring a great white jag?

486
00:23:06,060 --> 00:23:08,200
Yeah, great white jag for the kid.

487
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,060
Kids love these things.

488
00:23:11,260 --> 00:23:13,040
We'll get it mounted. We'll get it stuffed.

489
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,300
They'll be great.

490
00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:16,500
Now, you keep that thing alive.

491
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:19,140
What I don't get is he's had eight years in prison

492
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:22,460
and all he can muster up when he speaks to his daughter

493
00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:27,500
is that like kind of half arse note that just looks like he wrote it

494
00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:31,540
in the cab on the way over to me like he probably can't even get it out.

495
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,060
It's like to do some English class.

496
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:36,860
You should have done some English classes while you're in the big house, buddy.

497
00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:40,800
Maybe he got early release and he wasn't quite prepared.

498
00:23:40,860 --> 00:23:42,260
He's like, I'll get to this later.

499
00:23:42,260 --> 00:23:45,900
Like I got nothing but time so long as I'm here in the big house.

500
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:48,200
But he had plenty of time on how to steal all that gold

501
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,960
that hasn't moved in eight years. Gold's heavy.

502
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,960
Yeah. Well, that was just an imagination thing.

503
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,660
Yeah. He just really pictured it.

504
00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:57,800
He was bored. Yes.

505
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,200
So what about Vincent's wig?

506
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,800
That shit is fucking bad.

507
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,700
Everything about Vincent was so gross, like,

508
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,000
he's got missing fingers.

509
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,400
No, thanks. One leg abomination

510
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,000
gets set on fire, then run over.

511
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,340
Oh, well, I mean, setting him on fire was fine.

512
00:24:16,340 --> 00:24:17,300
I was OK with that.

513
00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:22,000
We do have two movies this week that have sort of like an unkillable killer, though.

514
00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:25,000
Both die by impalement.

515
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,240
No, actually shot. Second one was shot.

516
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,800
Oh, that's true. He gets very shot, but impaled first.

517
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,860
So like Vince as well looks like Peter Stromae playing

518
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,500
the like villain from last action here.

519
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:42,260
He looks like a mixture between Peter Stromae and the villain from last action here.

520
00:24:42,260 --> 00:24:46,660
You know, is it Tom Noonan plays like the? Yeah, exactly.

521
00:24:46,860 --> 00:24:48,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks like that.

522
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,600
It's like, what the fuck was going on here?

523
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,100
Like when you get that reveal of him, it's like Josh Lucas is a handsome guy.

524
00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:57,560
Do you know what I mean? It's like a kind of time store

525
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,240
Matthew McConaughey.

526
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,460
And then he's like, what the fuck have they done to this guy?

527
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,200
What happened? That's what I bet.

528
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,060
Like, I know he says all they keep telling is like,

529
00:25:07,060 --> 00:25:08,980
oh, you got him of a bad crowd.

530
00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:11,380
It's like, how bad is this crowd?

531
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,660
You know, not like craps behind the the gas station.

532
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,620
Bad. But I think a step below that.

533
00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:22,980
Well, yeah, I mean, I played craps behind a gas station.

534
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:24,660
Those are usually pretty stand up guys.

535
00:25:24,660 --> 00:25:28,180
Yeah, I usually squat down when I'm playing craps.

536
00:25:28,220 --> 00:25:30,060
That's how you shoot, right? Yeah.

537
00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:31,980
Oh, we're talking about when I shoot.

538
00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:35,840
That's for Pornhub.

539
00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:40,740
You're going to have to add that to the outro now.

540
00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:45,240
No, we need to tell people where they can find us.

541
00:25:45,620 --> 00:25:48,420
Yeah. Nick will insert that no matter what.

542
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,680
I will. I'm always inserting.

543
00:25:53,940 --> 00:25:56,720
I know we all I want to do is talk about stolen.

544
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,080
But you keep distracting me with pornography.

545
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,180
I so we talked about the terrible Australian character.

546
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,900
Now let's talk about all the terrible acting from everyone else.

547
00:26:09,140 --> 00:26:11,880
I have a weird insults like calling the cage tapioca.

548
00:26:12,340 --> 00:26:15,000
Oh, man. That that was a good cab driver.

549
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,740
Yeah, I'm going to start calling you tapioca.

550
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:20,580
That's weird. It is weird.

551
00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:22,800
I don't even know what tapioca is.

552
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:28,480
Oh, it's like pudding with like little like kind of jelly balls and balls.

553
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,580
Yeah. Goo balls sort of like you guys have like Boba like bubble tea.

554
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,360
Oh, yeah. Yes. It's like calling bubble tea.

555
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:40,480
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like, like, so you're like a weird eggnog

556
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:46,660
flavored pudding and very white, like tiny little like Boba balls in it.

557
00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:51,980
Yeah. You reckon the character is supposed to say that was originally supposed to be not white.

558
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,120
Wasn't it the black cab driver?

559
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,420
It was a black cab driver.

560
00:26:56,420 --> 00:26:57,380
Oh, that makes sense.

561
00:26:57,380 --> 00:26:59,320
Then yeah, I'm with him. I'm with him.

562
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,560
Yeah. Call him tapioca.

563
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,160
Yeah, it's it's apt.

564
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,620
It's just a you've earned that right.

565
00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:06,260
And you know what?

566
00:27:06,260 --> 00:27:09,920
Getting called cracker eventually loses its meaning.

567
00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:13,280
So you got to come up with new new white things. Yeah.

568
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,120
I don't know where he's going with that.

569
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,860
Yeah. So there's a lot of great supporting characters,

570
00:27:19,860 --> 00:27:21,620
like especially in the cab world.

571
00:27:21,620 --> 00:27:25,360
I think the cabbies are all the best supporting characters.

572
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,780
There's the guy who gets mugged in the beginning.

573
00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:30,620
He was a cabbie, right? Mm hmm.

574
00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:32,760
Or just like a alley person.

575
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,960
He was just like, I was just putting a cardboard.

576
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,980
It is like recycling. Yeah.

577
00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:41,180
But when Hoyt takes off, he's like, hey, your ride's leaving you like, oh, that sucks.

578
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,320
Well, the thing also, thank you for pointing out the obvious.

579
00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:49,680
You get Bertrum or whatever his name was calling him tapioca.

580
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,220
And then you get the the guy that works back at the dispatch guy.

581
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:55,980
He's cool. Oh, yeah.

582
00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:58,180
The MVP of the movie right there.

583
00:27:58,180 --> 00:28:00,160
Love your single best.

584
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,680
Lord. Yeah.

585
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,220
Also a killer name. Yeah.

586
00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:05,220
I love anyone named Lafleur.

587
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:10,420
Oh, and cabbie white guy cabbie, who's obviously the worst cabbie

588
00:28:11,220 --> 00:28:14,820
who got paid to just drive around that GPS location with a medallion.

589
00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:17,020
Oh, right. The reveal went there. Yeah.

590
00:28:17,380 --> 00:28:18,460
That's not my number.

591
00:28:18,460 --> 00:28:20,660
I thought you meant Vincent. I'm like, yeah, he's pretty bad.

592
00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:22,180
Oh, well, yeah.

593
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:24,680
But he's at least important to the story.

594
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,380
I love the reveal when Lafleur is like

595
00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:32,880
saying about like, oh, he really put the Williams up my up my children.

596
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,060
And they're like, oh, they're in their 20s.

597
00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:36,520
It's like, yeah.

598
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,320
Yes. He's a crime.

599
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,220
Putting Willis and children.

600
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:43,960
He's not my children. It's a specific.

601
00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:46,020
That's a term.

602
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,880
Petrus, you're going to finally get us canceled.

603
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,420
That's what I'm here to do.

604
00:28:52,420 --> 00:28:55,320
Infiltrate and all the other cage podcast just get canceled

605
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,480
and skirk off into the night.

606
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,480
That's right.

607
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,980
That's what we were going to be only one.

608
00:29:00,980 --> 00:29:02,480
That was our plan.

609
00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:08,060
I know we're doing a pretty good job of collecting all the cage podcasts at this point.

610
00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:11,080
Yeah, we're going to harness everybody's power.

611
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,020
Yes.

612
00:29:12,020 --> 00:29:15,580
What did also if you want to come for our finale sometime next year,

613
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,420
we're going to watch the two head to head movies that are going to decide

614
00:29:19,420 --> 00:29:22,420
the best one in a in a movie theater somewhere in Seattle.

615
00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:23,820
So come on by. Yeah.

616
00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:25,880
Yeah. All you have to do is use your own money to get here.

617
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,980
Yes, that's it.

618
00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:27,980
Put yourself up.

619
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,620
But you can hang out with Darryl. Yeah.

620
00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:35,380
I know Darryl is not for this.

621
00:29:35,380 --> 00:29:37,120
I fucked Darryl that.

622
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,660
What did Darryl call us fucking cowards for?

623
00:29:40,660 --> 00:29:43,260
I don't remember. I think we didn't put something in our butts.

624
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,460
Something but related.

625
00:29:45,460 --> 00:29:47,520
It was definitely but related. Yeah.

626
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,260
Yeah, I agree. That'll get you called cowards.

627
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,860
Yeah, you cowards.

628
00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:54,960
Five fingers or nothing, boys.

629
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,460
Oh, OK.

630
00:29:56,460 --> 00:29:57,860
I'm going up your ass.

631
00:29:57,860 --> 00:29:59,620
But that block of gold up your ass.

632
00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:02,620
Otherwise, you're nobody's to me.

633
00:30:02,620 --> 00:30:06,120
When you put the pine cone in your ass, do you do it the hard way first

634
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,560
or like the hard way out?

635
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,020
You do it. You do it.

636
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:14,060
So the so the the crinkly bits are going in first.

637
00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:15,920
So it's going to be harder to pull out.

638
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,320
Yeah. So it's real suffering.

639
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,360
Yeah, you're doing real suffering. Yeah.

640
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,420
It's a pain and pleasure kind of combo.

641
00:30:22,420 --> 00:30:25,120
You know, you got to have both. Yeah. Balance.

642
00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:29,960
It's like putting an umbrella in and then opening it and trying to pull it out.

643
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,920
That's that's what we want.

644
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,620
That's what we want. Full maximum pain.

645
00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:36,220
And that's when you really get the humorous visual of an umbrella going inverted.

646
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:41,360
So I imagine you just like let out like one big rip of a fart

647
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,320
and it like turns it inside out similar to like a high wind.

648
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,320
And then you get out Scott free. That's smart. Yeah.

649
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,620
That's the truth.

650
00:30:50,620 --> 00:30:53,220
But then you have to have a whole curvy handle part go in first.

651
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,220
It's like a it's like the parachute on the back of a NASCAR.

652
00:30:58,580 --> 00:30:59,820
Yeah, exactly.

653
00:30:59,820 --> 00:31:02,480
Or not an NASCAR, but a dragster.

654
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,720
What? I don't know cars.

655
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,280
I don't either. Yeah.

656
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,780
The Batmobile. The Batmobile.

657
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:08,680
It's like the parachute on the back of the Batmobile.

658
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,880
Just pop that umbrella. You're all good.

659
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,020
Yeah. Use those kegels.

660
00:31:13,020 --> 00:31:15,420
Cage knows what he's doing. He's he's he's texting.

661
00:31:15,420 --> 00:31:17,720
He's texting from his office prison wallet.

662
00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:21,780
So he's got to pop those kegels and that umbrella pops out.

663
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:22,520
There you go.

664
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,180
So as you write down, go, go, gadget, but umbrella,

665
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:27,520
then you just pop into your way out of jail.

666
00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:30,320
There you go. Just hanging down.

667
00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:34,180
I think I downloaded the wrong inspector gadget.

668
00:31:37,580 --> 00:31:39,680
I think the only relevant note that I have from watching this

669
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,920
the first time that I immediately had the same thought was cops are dumb

670
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,020
and they suck. Yeah.

671
00:31:44,020 --> 00:31:45,120
They really are the worst.

672
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,580
Like from the beginning, it's like, oh, he's going to rob the diamond place.

673
00:31:48,820 --> 00:31:51,480
Don't follow them into the toy store

674
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,480
where they broke into whatever their goal is.

675
00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:59,080
Just only look for them at their end location,

676
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,880
which can not be anything other than the diamond place,

677
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,820
even though you should know that there is a bank on the other side of the same block.

678
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,120
I like how the bank vault when they're breaking into it,

679
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,420
it actually only has two tumblers.

680
00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:16,660
You just need to do it's all.

681
00:32:16,660 --> 00:32:19,720
And then it's not like they're storing

682
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,260
thousands of pounds of gold in there or something.

683
00:32:23,460 --> 00:32:24,920
Oh, is it like 10 million dollars?

684
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,560
That's it, right? The 10 million dollars.

685
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,960
Because it's cash.

686
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,120
Yeah, it was 10 million in cash that they took,

687
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,520
which was conveniently like a vacuum sealed for them.

688
00:32:34,060 --> 00:32:39,220
And then billions of dollars in gold, which is dumb. Yeah.

689
00:32:39,220 --> 00:32:42,700
How would you fence gold, especially in bar form?

690
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:47,360
How would you fence it in giant burned ass nugget form?

691
00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:53,660
I mean, you re smelted into knives and then you just sell gold knives. Smart.

692
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:58,560
I think you just make golden pine cones.

693
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,600
Yeah, yeah. Right.

694
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,000
Yeah. And then you'd stick them up your butt and get them out the hard way.

695
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,420
Chinatown, that's where you like get rid of anything sketchy.

696
00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:09,380
Yeah, makes sense.

697
00:33:09,380 --> 00:33:11,520
You want to go to Chinatown later? Sure. OK.

698
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:13,180
But nuggets.

699
00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:16,380
Also, he's very slow at running.

700
00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:18,880
Like he looks like he's trying really hard in this movie,

701
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,820
and he is the slowest motherfucker.

702
00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:25,020
Do they just kind of speed it up a little bit like old man car chases?

703
00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:26,460
I don't think they sped anything up.

704
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:29,060
It looks like he's really running hard and it's like, hmm,

705
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,860
that is a jog at best.

706
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:35,820
Like you're trying to run away from a bunch of cops with a lot of guns.

707
00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:37,680
Well, you probably don't. Happy cops.

708
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,380
Like he is running away.

709
00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:40,840
I don't think you're just allowed to shoot someone.

710
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,140
You're not supposed to just shoot someone in the back if they're fleeing.

711
00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:46,080
I mean, these are police we're talking. Yeah, I know.

712
00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:48,980
That's why I caught myself and said, you're not supposed to.

713
00:33:49,340 --> 00:33:52,080
Yeah, I'm sure he was not going to finish that sense.

714
00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:56,940
I'm sure he didn't get a lot of yard time to like work on his cardio.

715
00:33:58,180 --> 00:34:00,480
So that that is the flaw.

716
00:34:00,620 --> 00:34:04,840
That's actually probably a feature of prison is like,

717
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,440
yeah, we're not going to give you cardio because if you try to escape,

718
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,640
we want to catch you real fast.

719
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,720
It's true. They should just give like lots of snacks.

720
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,720
Yeah, ice cream.

721
00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:18,180
Just turkey based ice cream to keep you docile and fat.

722
00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:20,420
Yeah, I think that that probably would work.

723
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:22,480
Probably wouldn't. I'll try it.

724
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,520
I'll get an ice cream maker and I'll puree a turkey. Nice.

725
00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:28,120
Beaks and all.

726
00:34:29,020 --> 00:34:32,280
Yeah, I mean, do you guys have more stuff that you really want to say about still?

727
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,440
I do want to talk about the awesome car chases like the very practical car chases.

728
00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:41,140
Oh, yeah. Like when they're in that parking garage.

729
00:34:41,140 --> 00:34:43,740
Yeah. Oh, right at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.

730
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,080
Yeah. And then he jumps out like behind the car.

731
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:51,680
Oh, man. And he's when he's got the stolen cab and he's like

732
00:34:52,140 --> 00:34:54,780
jumping stuff. Pretty good. Yeah, dude.

733
00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:57,140
That's all. I love a good car chase.

734
00:34:57,140 --> 00:34:58,920
I like a good practical car chase.

735
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,380
Yeah, there's that moment as well when he like breaks his own farm

736
00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:05,020
to get out of the handcuffs, knocks out the two cops.

737
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,440
And I'm pretty sure the the the like car flips over

738
00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:12,220
and like dark side grinds across a rail.

739
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,980
Jimmy is like fucking gnarly.

740
00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:15,520
He's like, yeah, come on.

741
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,540
He's like, give me flashbacks playing Tony Hawk Pro Skater three.

742
00:35:18,580 --> 00:35:19,940
Baby. Yeah.

743
00:35:19,940 --> 00:35:24,180
The action in this movie is pretty pretty solid for 2012.

744
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,840
Yeah. Yeah. For a 2012 Nicolas Cage movie.

745
00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:28,380
It's pretty fun. Yeah.

746
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:33,320
It keeps the story moving really well and never feels like it really lags.

747
00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:36,020
It's a steady pair of hands like Simon West, right?

748
00:35:36,020 --> 00:35:38,580
Because obviously some of his films aren't the best.

749
00:35:38,580 --> 00:35:40,980
Like it's the guy who directed Con Air.

750
00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:42,940
He knows how to direct action.

751
00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:46,020
So even if everything else falls down, like the action's

752
00:35:46,020 --> 00:35:48,820
really fucking solid in this movie.

753
00:35:48,820 --> 00:35:51,340
Yeah. Just a few complaints about some writing. Yeah.

754
00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:54,580
But otherwise, I think it's a solid movie. Same.

755
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,880
Worthy of a second round. Yeah.

756
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,580
Yeah. Petrus in the Venn diagram of good cage, good movie, bad cage, bad movie,

757
00:36:02,580 --> 00:36:03,880
good, bad, bad, good.

758
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,580
Where would you slot this guy?

759
00:36:06,580 --> 00:36:11,520
Oh, this is a hard one, because it's like my like

760
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:15,980
my head says bad movie, but my heart says good movie

761
00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:21,820
and my heart says good cage.

762
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,420
Yeah, I think it's good cage, bad movie.

763
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:26,320
Is that right?

764
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,820
I don't know. I'm second guessing myself now.

765
00:36:28,820 --> 00:36:30,220
Was it bad cage, good movie?

766
00:36:30,220 --> 00:36:34,120
I don't know. This is a curveball right now, fellas.

767
00:36:35,020 --> 00:36:37,840
Because I unashamedly love this movie despite it being shit.

768
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,480
I like forgive the fact that the cage is pretty ropey in it as well.

769
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:44,540
I was going to I was going to put it in the bad cage. Good movie.

770
00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:46,740
It's a fine like movie. It's a solid.

771
00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:49,340
It's you know, it moves quick.

772
00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:54,920
It's got a decent story writing to me and cage isn't the most cagey about it.

773
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,320
Like this movie isn't served by Nicolas Cage being in.

774
00:36:57,420 --> 00:37:00,940
It probably could have been a number of other actors

775
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,520
and been just as good.

776
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,820
Yeah, we wouldn't have been watching it, but true.

777
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,120
We don't watch anything without Nicolas Cage at this point. No.

778
00:37:10,380 --> 00:37:15,740
I think it's a. Bad cage, bad movie that I love.

779
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,620
Yeah, I think that's a good caveat to it,

780
00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:22,980
because like it is a bad movie, but it is also fun

781
00:37:22,980 --> 00:37:25,020
and I did not have a bad time. Right.

782
00:37:25,740 --> 00:37:30,320
Yeah. Cinematically, it offers nothing to the world, but it's enjoyable

783
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:32,580
and it's only 90 minutes long.

784
00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:33,680
So that's pretty good.

785
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,620
All I want at this point.

786
00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:39,320
It begs the question as well, would this have been any better

787
00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:43,820
with the two people they went with before Cage, which was Clive Owen

788
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,120
and Jason Statham? Yes.

789
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,980
Statham, I could see this being pretty fun.

790
00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:53,040
And it makes sense that he would be so shitty at talking to his daughter.

791
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,120
I could barely talk.

792
00:37:55,780 --> 00:37:56,980
Exactly. Yeah.

793
00:37:56,980 --> 00:37:59,540
Like a neanderthal. Yeah.

794
00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:02,720
I think it's a terrific, terrific film.

795
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:05,440
Excellent way to spend a Sunday morning.

796
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:09,520
Yeah, I know. I watched it this morning as well, and it was

797
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,640
it was a fine way to start my morning with my with a cup of coffee,

798
00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:16,120
dog, cat and stolen.

799
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,680
Any final thoughts on this film before we move on?

800
00:38:20,820 --> 00:38:25,060
The only thing I have to say on this film is I love the reference to Conn

801
00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:28,960
when the code name MC Ganey uses his diamond dog.

802
00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:32,980
I was kind of like there is like a cage devotee being like,

803
00:38:33,580 --> 00:38:36,360
oh, they're referencing that and the like bunny thing.

804
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,560
It's like, oh, he's got that fucking bunny.

805
00:38:39,620 --> 00:38:41,820
Like put that bunny back in the box, baby.

806
00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:47,540
I really enjoyed Vince's line about being broker than a dead dick dog,

807
00:38:48,340 --> 00:38:52,180
which for me is just a reference back to Army of One

808
00:38:52,540 --> 00:38:55,880
where Nicolas Cage makes some comment about a broke dick dog.

809
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Well, wouldn't it Army of One be a reference to this?

810
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,180
Maybe. I don't know.

811
00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:02,380
But I saw Army of One before I saw this.

812
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,140
So that time works.

813
00:39:05,780 --> 00:39:09,440
That and on second watch as well, when Vince like

814
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,000
he re kidnaps Mia, like puts her in the puts her in the trunk.

815
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,800
Yeah, it's a little kid who sees him.

816
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,800
What I didn't notice the first time is he like he flips him flips in the bag.

817
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:25,100
Like secretly like, fuck you, you creepy old fucking weirdo.

818
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,700
Yeah. Well, Vince is just putting the willies in all the children.

819
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,700
Yeah, of course.

820
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:34,040
Red Rock, Red Rock West, Red Rock West.

821
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,200
I love this movie. I still love this movie.

822
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,420
It's solid from the beginning.

823
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:43,760
The the score, the opening shots of him getting out of the car

824
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,260
and like one arm push ups.

825
00:39:45,260 --> 00:39:49,360
Yeah. Doing his sick ass one arm push ups, proving that he's a badass

826
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,860
is busted up knee.

827
00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:53,760
Yeah, it's his stern and bush.

828
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,460
Got to have stern and bush.

829
00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:57,920
This movie, it gets me every time.

830
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,760
I love the the story, the pacing.

831
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,120
Laura Flynn Boyle, as terrible as she is.

832
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,460
Like she offers nothing.

833
00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:10,300
She's dead behind the eyes.

834
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:12,720
President Cooper himself. Yeah.

835
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:17,060
Yeah. And it's like weirdly, all three of them are like

836
00:40:17,060 --> 00:40:21,060
and Dennis Hopper are like, yeah, David Lynch alum as well.

837
00:40:21,060 --> 00:40:24,360
Is it kind of feels like a kind of like this

838
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,200
weirdly could be a David Lynch film.

839
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,520
It would be hella a lot weirder.

840
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,260
But like it's kind of in that world that he likes to play in, like

841
00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:35,220
kind of, I don't know.

842
00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:38,800
Yeah, I love these kind of neo Western noirs.

843
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,460
Yeah, we recently covered White Sands on getting to fo you,

844
00:40:43,460 --> 00:40:45,860
which is like a very similar film to this.

845
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:52,360
Well, like to fo pretends to be a guy and then things go wrong,

846
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,600
which is basically the the the the premise of this film as well.

847
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,200
And I kind of I love that this this film is so tight and such a great

848
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:07,200
like thriller that like even Lara Flynn Boyle, you can you can forgive,

849
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,060
even though she could have been she could have been replaced with

850
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:13,800
Mary Elizabeth, Masha and Tony or I don't know.

851
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,900
Yeah. Any any other kind of cardboard stand?

852
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:20,260
Yeah. Just real quick for our listeners.

853
00:41:20,260 --> 00:41:24,000
The whole premise of this film is Nick Cage down on his luck trying to get a job

854
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,900
in oil fields of Wyoming has a bumleg so doesn't get it.

855
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:32,700
Rolls into the town of Red Rock and is offered a job

856
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:39,100
only to find out that it's to kill the bar owner, Wayne's wife and hilarity then ensues.

857
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:43,700
Yeah. So he mistaken he's mistaken for somebody else because of his license plate.

858
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:49,300
License plate gets gets roped into this whole assassination attempt

859
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:56,100
and that Lara Flynn Boyle will turn on its head, try to get him to kill Wayne.

860
00:41:56,100 --> 00:42:01,900
And he just takes the down payment on both assassinations and skips town only to like you should.

861
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:04,300
Yeah, which is the correct move. Yeah.

862
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:06,700
And a pre Internet era. Yeah.

863
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:10,900
This movie, like every part of this movie could have just been solved with a cell phone.

864
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:13,100
What kind of cell phone? A Blackberry?

865
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:17,500
Because because that didn't get what's her face out of the back of that cab.

866
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:18,900
Sorry, Mia.

867
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:20,900
Lyle shows up a week late.

868
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:22,500
Got to call them.

869
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,100
Hit the guy on the side of the road.

870
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:26,300
Could have just called 911.

871
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:29,300
I mean, pre Internet era, it wouldn't make sense,

872
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:35,100
but it's just looking at things through time and going back to things like this movie couldn't exist now.

873
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:37,900
Yeah. Cinema was a lot better before cell phones.

874
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:43,300
Yeah. Well, yeah, that's why you get like loads of great filmmakers making period films, right?

875
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:48,500
Soon as you have the invention of the phone, it's like it just ruins everything.

876
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:53,900
Like you say, with this film, it is not just that it feels like it's just a movie.

877
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:57,700
It feels like obviously it wouldn't work in a modern setting.

878
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:04,100
It is very much the archetype of when people say they don't make them like they used to.

879
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:11,500
It's like this kind of trashy mid budget thriller for adults isn't really made these days,

880
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:14,300
especially not for like cinematic release.

881
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,100
This is like the kind of thing.

882
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:23,100
If you're lucky goes the streaming and like I don't think it would be near as good as like a film like Red Rock West is.

883
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:26,500
No, because they put like Ryan Reynolds or something in it.

884
00:43:26,500 --> 00:43:30,800
You wouldn't just put a guy who looks like a guy because this is peak Nick Cage.

885
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,800
Just looking like a normal dude era.

886
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,300
Yeah. Yeah.

887
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:41,000
You did get me thinking that I'd love to see a thriller set in the height of the pager era.

888
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,200
Like things are getting really tense and like he's like, oh, hold on.

889
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,600
I got to I got to find a pay phone and I just wander off and like call somebody back.

890
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,400
I go there in the cab and the cab's gone.

891
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,400
We kind of got that with Blade Runner.

892
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:02,600
Oh, yeah. I do love how science like all this great science fiction we've had for decades.

893
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,500
And the one thing no one could ever imagine was a cell phone except Star Trek.

894
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:11,600
Star Trek got that one. Yeah, they had that pretty much cracked forever ago.

895
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,700
Speaking of cracking. Watching.

896
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:20,300
I watched Red Rock West last night, stolen this morning, then went over to Nixon, watched Red Rock West again

897
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:25,100
and watching stolen Red Rock West back to back like this could be the same guy.

898
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:32,800
Yeah, it's easy to think that he runs off with that money, learns to steal banks because he makes a reference to stealing banks.

899
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,200
One of his early lines in the film is like, maybe I'll maybe I'll rob a bank.

900
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:43,000
I think this film does really good work in portraying that like he is a good guy.

901
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:50,200
Like he's a kind of white hat character because he has the opportunity to steal that money in the gas station and doesn't do it.

902
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:55,800
And like every kind of opportunity, like there are, I guess the one thing that this film falls down on,

903
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,300
and I guess it's like a big part of it is like what pussy will do to a motherfucker?

904
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:04,200
Because soon as like Lara Flynn Boyle is like, let's run away to Mexico.

905
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,000
He's like kind of like pussy struck and is like, OK, let's do this.

906
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,200
And he's like, if he had just kind of like stayed with Dwight Yoakam in that like truck.

907
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,600
Fuck yeah. Just get north. Stay with Dwight Yoakam, baby. Get out of there.

908
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,400
Neither Lara Flynn Boyle or Wayne, whatever is JT Walsh.

909
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:29,800
JT Walsh. Neither of them play stand up people like morally upright individuals.

910
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,100
They both paid him to knock off the other one.

911
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:36,900
It wouldn't hurt my feelings if he just like noped the fuck out of Wyoming.

912
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:40,900
No, not at all. Especially with Dwight Yoakam, that dude, his character fucking rules.

913
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:43,500
Everything about him was so good. How's that tickle you?

914
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:47,900
Yeah. Do I look scared to you? Kind of badass.

915
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:50,800
I forgot I was texting Peter Wall.

916
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,700
This was while I was watching it last night and I completely forgot that Wayne is the sheriff.

917
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,300
Oh, yeah. So that little reveal of like he didn't do the murder.

918
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:02,700
And then like he has to wait for the sheriff to show up at the hospital

919
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:07,600
and Wayne walks in with his cowboy hat on like, ah, you done fucked up.

920
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:12,800
There's just this whole thing is just like a crisscross, double cross, uncross cross,

921
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,000
kind of a situation.

922
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,100
Yeah, everything's so circular, even like leaving and returning to Red Rock.

923
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,800
Yeah, that's a great little motif, right?

924
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,100
Every time it's like I'm getting out. No, I'm coming back.

925
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:28,800
Like every night when she says we got to go back to get the money.

926
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,000
So no, you kind of go there.

927
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,100
It is one of those movies where like you are every time he makes a decision.

928
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:39,600
You like even though I've watched this countless amounts of time, I'm like, just don't do it.

929
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,600
You always are willing to do to to do the opposite each time.

930
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:49,000
If like the guy he hits with the car, if that guy would have just died right then.

931
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,800
He'd have been home free. He wouldn't.

932
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,600
He could be. Yeah.

933
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,900
I got another fuck two bullets in your stomach and you get hit by a car

934
00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:02,500
and you have the audacity to stay alive and make things hard for the main character.

935
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:05,000
God damn rude.

936
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,700
But surely if that is the case, he could say, no, it wasn't.

937
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:10,400
It was it was a woman who shot me.

938
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,500
Well, that's a good point, right?

939
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:15,200
Like, unfortunately, he was in the coma, but yeah, fucking comas.

940
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:17,200
Well, our convenient.

941
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,600
Even the deputy is just like, you want to put it on this guy,

942
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,900
the guy who brought him into the hospital.

943
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,800
Yeah. The way they speak to him, though, when they're like when he's like,

944
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:29,600
they're like, oh, where's your car and stuff like that?

945
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,500
And he's like, oh, just going to go move it.

946
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:32,800
Like, I'm not going anywhere.

947
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,800
He's like, well, these two bullets say otherwise, buddy.

948
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:36,700
Like, you got to stay here.

949
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:39,500
It's like, you know, the deputies come in strong.

950
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:43,800
I consider it like when it gets to like the latter stages of it, they're kind of like

951
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,900
see, well, they get they learn about Wayne's fucking.

952
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:48,900
Was it Kevin? His real name?

953
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:50,100
Like, yeah, Kevin. Yeah.

954
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:51,500
I want a list and stuff like that.

955
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:54,300
It's like then they're like real, real nice guys.

956
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:58,200
But to begin with, they're coming in real fucking thick and hard on cage.

957
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,400
It's probably the most action those guys have ever seen.

958
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,500
So they're a little nervous.

959
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:03,900
They're like, OK, we we're going to do it.

960
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:04,700
We're going to get in there.

961
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:06,600
We're going to get this guy.

962
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,000
Let me see your butt.

963
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,140
Oh, shit. I mean, look at these bullets.

964
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:12,200
What?

965
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,940
Yeah, it came out before I got the sentence right.

966
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:18,100
I don't know, man.

967
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:21,700
Every interaction with cops I've ever had ends with let me see your butt.

968
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:26,400
Yeah. This movie also has the ending where the cops just let him get away

969
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,140
because he's on the train.

970
00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:30,800
He's pushed Laura Flynn Boyle out of the train with the money.

971
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,400
Great. They're like, I love.

972
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:33,640
And the cops are right behind them.

973
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,240
They stopped to get Laura Flynn Boyle and they just let the train keep going.

974
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,400
Like they don't keep following him.

975
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,340
I mean, they got the money for the most part.

976
00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:44,100
And at least one person who was complicit.

977
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:45,440
Yeah. Yeah.

978
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,940
That seems like a good day on the force.

979
00:48:47,940 --> 00:48:50,740
Back in the 90s, tracking drifters was a lot harder

980
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,100
because they didn't have cell phones.

981
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:54,300
Now, they just have cell phones.

982
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:56,540
Yeah. All drifters have cell phones.

983
00:48:58,300 --> 00:48:59,540
They keep them in their bindle.

984
00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:02,140
Have you ever had a call your butthole?

985
00:49:02,140 --> 00:49:05,840
Have you ever had a homeless guy ask you for money and then like prefer

986
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,800
or like pull out like a square?

987
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:11,840
So you could like pay with your phone.

988
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,500
Like you have a bank account, sir.

989
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:18,240
Yeah. I mean, I've seen it and it's like, oh, no, I'm definitely not tapping on that.

990
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:21,700
That was turned down like free food.

991
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:23,200
I don't really like tuna.

992
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,940
It's got a free buddy.

993
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,800
Scrape it off. Have some soggy bread.

994
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,940
I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

995
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:30,940
Of the Mayo.

996
00:49:30,940 --> 00:49:34,200
I had a good one once, though, where I was by Dick's Burgers.

997
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,440
And I was like, do you want a burger?

998
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,800
And he was like, you know what, man?

999
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,140
Like, could you get me a salad from somewhere?

1000
00:49:39,140 --> 00:49:42,140
And I was like, yes, I can do that. Yeah.

1001
00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:45,440
I think I asked this on the first time we went around this movie.

1002
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,940
But why the fuck do they try and jump the train?

1003
00:49:49,340 --> 00:49:50,240
Because it's cool.

1004
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,200
And well, because there's a dead cop like a block away.

1005
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,340
And they just drove away from the scene.

1006
00:49:55,340 --> 00:49:59,240
I don't know. I feel like you could have not gone to all that trouble.

1007
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,300
Like they basically almost die.

1008
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:06,040
Well, did you watch the recent John Oliver on freight trains? I did not.

1009
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,280
Freight trains can be incredibly long. Yeah. Like miles long. OK.

1010
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:11,180
Well, this makes more sense.

1011
00:50:11,180 --> 00:50:12,580
So you don't want to get stuck behind it.

1012
00:50:12,580 --> 00:50:15,480
And if anything happens, you know, especially if you just killed a cop.

1013
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:17,700
Yeah. It'll shut down an intersection for a long time.

1014
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:21,000
Why try and outrun the train when you could drive the other direction

1015
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,900
and the train will end quicker?

1016
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:26,900
Allegedly, it could be miles long, but it's going at a certain speed.

1017
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:27,940
That way, you're going a certain speed.

1018
00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:30,100
I feel like there's a math problem here that we can solve.

1019
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:31,240
Follow you that way.

1020
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:36,140
If you get in front of the train and crossover now, their host.

1021
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,600
I guess they go the other way.

1022
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,380
Well, then they would definitely lose you because you'd have time to escape.

1023
00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:44,140
I mean, to be fair, there are only two other cops.

1024
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:45,680
There was three.

1025
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,740
Yeah, that's that poor woman who's doing like the dispatch.

1026
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:50,580
I was just.

1027
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:54,000
Yeah, the body in the background while she's on the dispatch

1028
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,100
is my favorite part of that.

1029
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:57,780
There is a hospital there.

1030
00:50:57,780 --> 00:50:59,440
Don't touch anything.

1031
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:04,600
It's all evidence, including the corpse that we're propping up behind you.

1032
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,400
I think the gnarliest move is that Hopper shoots that guy.

1033
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,880
And then the next scene you see him, he's just eaten that sandwich.

1034
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,000
And he's like, I love turkey.

1035
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,140
Yeah, turkey sandwich. My favorite.

1036
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,800
Like Hopper, like loses it as this movie goes on.

1037
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,740
Like he shoots out his own car's

1038
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,240
driver's side window to prove a point,

1039
00:51:24,180 --> 00:51:27,300
a point that nobody can make afterwards because nobody can hear

1040
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,040
the point being made.

1041
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,800
He's a good villain in this.

1042
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,240
Like he he seems monstrous, right?

1043
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,300
Like he continues, especially the way that he becomes hard to kill

1044
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:39,540
until getting shot 11 times or whatever it is. Nine.

1045
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,240
He seems like a good fucking monster.

1046
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:45,880
Yeah. Yeah.

1047
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,800
I do love how the movie that immediately followed this was Super Mario Brothers

1048
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,880
and Hopper's IMDB.

1049
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,640
Those both came out in 93.

1050
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,740
When did he die? Did he die after that?

1051
00:51:55,740 --> 00:51:57,280
2010. OK.

1052
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,580
So I mean, he did technically die after that.

1053
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:03,800
But yeah, just, you know, he still got upcoming projects.

1054
00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:09,100
He's got he's got rereleases of like early voice narration work he's done.

1055
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:12,400
But when I IMDB him today, it was like three upcoming projects.

1056
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,380
I'm like, what?

1057
00:52:14,380 --> 00:52:16,380
Hardest working man in Hollywood right there, baby.

1058
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,680
I love that like cage as well as kind of like done his Lyle

1059
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,000
from Texas in Sympathy for the Devil,

1060
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,400
which is essentially like an hour and a half of that scene

1061
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,260
where they're like in the car and he's like going by gunpoint

1062
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:32,560
telling him to drive.

1063
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,060
It's just like him and Joe Kinnaman.

1064
00:52:34,060 --> 00:52:36,000
And yeah, I love that movie.

1065
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,300
That's got good tension.

1066
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:38,660
Oh, yeah. No, that's a good.

1067
00:52:38,660 --> 00:52:40,740
That's a good little connection there.

1068
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:43,840
Nick Cage had better hair and a better jacket.

1069
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,760
Yeah, the red hair was terrific. Yeah.

1070
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,740
Yeah, but like Lyle from Texas is like, it's great.

1071
00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:52,160
Like with the kind of like Western shirt.

1072
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,840
I love his kind of like get up and it's kind of introduction as well.

1073
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,760
It's like almost like

1074
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,760
it's almost like a scene out of Raising Arizona,

1075
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,800
the way that like Cage is like up against the bumper.

1076
00:53:03,140 --> 00:53:04,760
Like that kind of shot is amazing.

1077
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,940
And he's like, if I didn't get my brakes fixed, boy, you'd be

1078
00:53:08,740 --> 00:53:11,140
I'd be picking you out of my radio.

1079
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:13,060
My radiator. Yeah, it's amazing.

1080
00:53:13,060 --> 00:53:16,200
Like that kind of like what half hour into the movie.

1081
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,740
You get the introduction of it's just so great.

1082
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,100
It's just like the tension and release in this film

1083
00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:25,060
and like the little scenes like when he's climbing on the roof

1084
00:53:25,060 --> 00:53:27,640
and getting onto Dwight Yocum's truck, it's just like

1085
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,400
it's just pure visual crack of like, yes, come on.

1086
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,460
I love that shit.

1087
00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:35,040
Everything shot really well to be like,

1088
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:38,740
these are the actions that I wanted them to take the most.

1089
00:53:38,740 --> 00:53:41,440
Like, yeah, get on top of the the bar.

1090
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:43,100
Perfect way to escape.

1091
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:45,740
Somehow there's a bunch of construction materials. OK.

1092
00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:48,200
They were working on high quality, high quality American wood.

1093
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,440
That is good.

1094
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,260
You know, they don't make like two by fours like they used to.

1095
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:55,600
I had to I had to tell people this this morning.

1096
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,640
It's they're just not the same.

1097
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,560
They they use younger trees now.

1098
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,660
The the ring's structure and the fibers aren't as tight.

1099
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:05,440
I do. Your house is burned down too fast now. Right.

1100
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,260
I do love the scene, though, where he's like tight rope

1101
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:10,600
walking on the two by four over the truck.

1102
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:13,840
And you just got this scene of Wayne just like looking around.

1103
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,100
And you just see him. It's it's like a cartoon.

1104
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:17,500
It's the Spider-Man rule.

1105
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:19,660
Villains never look up.

1106
00:54:20,860 --> 00:54:23,840
Yeah, it's a great like it's almost like a split dioptic shot, isn't it?

1107
00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:27,060
But you've got them both in focus, like that's great.

1108
00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:29,760
Like all of the kind of like setups in this

1109
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:34,560
like is just these kind of small little scenes that kind of all play into it,

1110
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,340
which is like one bad decision after another.

1111
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:42,800
Oh, like when Lyle is up in the bathroom and they shut off the tub water

1112
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,400
and he turns around just in time for Cage to throw that statue at his head.

1113
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,900
The equestrian statue. Yeah.

1114
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:50,400
Such a good one.

1115
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,200
He just like pops out. Doink.

1116
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,960
And then just like cold coxum after that.

1117
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,360
Yeah. It's Hopper's line as well when he

1118
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,300
eventually talks to JT Walsh's character and he's like, he's like, did they get away?

1119
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:06,660
So I've been I've been staring at my eyelids for the past hour.

1120
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:09,240
Wayner, I don't know what the fuck's going on.

1121
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:11,660
I love Wayner.

1122
00:55:11,660 --> 00:55:14,000
Wayner is such a good nickname for that fucking guy.

1123
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,100
It just sounds like wiener every time.

1124
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:19,440
But like if somebody from Texas was just just calling you a wiener.

1125
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:22,400
All right, Wayner.

1126
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,040
Reach for the sky.

1127
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,340
I'd like I'd I'd be interested to know how much of this is Dennis Hopper

1128
00:55:30,340 --> 00:55:31,640
just like spitballing.

1129
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,040
Jimmy, I'm just like like that delivery.

1130
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,840
Like when he yeah, when he says about like the turkey sandwich, like turkey.

1131
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,340
My favorite is like, I just feel like that's Dennis Hopper.

1132
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:45,040
It's like they actually had a turkey sandwich on set.

1133
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,540
And he's like, can I just eat that?

1134
00:55:46,540 --> 00:55:50,240
Yeah, 93. He's got the most star power out of anybody in the movie.

1135
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,200
So he definitely got the most leniency in this.

1136
00:55:54,800 --> 00:56:00,400
I would love to have Dennis Hopper just ad lib at my wedding, funeral,

1137
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,700
something like that. Yeah, you're too late.

1138
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,740
No, not for either of those, right?

1139
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,040
Well, because he's dead. Right.

1140
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,100
Yeah, I'm neither dead nor married.

1141
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:13,300
So yeah, but he can't do it when you do die or get married.

1142
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:16,000
He's got upcoming projects. Yeah.

1143
00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:18,200
Well, I have we did.

1144
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,600
We broke we briefly touched on this before we got started.

1145
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,960
And Nick and I both kind of have looked at each other when we were watching this.

1146
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,200
The sex scene where his silhouetted belt buckle

1147
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,260
definitely looks like an erect penis. Yeah, 100 percent.

1148
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:32,860
I don't know. I don't know if that was an accident.

1149
00:56:32,860 --> 00:56:34,500
And they were like, oh, that's a happy accident.

1150
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:36,960
That looks like a dick for sure.

1151
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,260
Or if they engineered that either way.

1152
00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:44,240
Yeah, it was well shot. I was a big fan.

1153
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,000
It's definitely like that would have been the place in the VHS

1154
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,060
that would have been worn out where you put it on pause.

1155
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:52,640
Do you mean a rewound in a bunch?

1156
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,100
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1157
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:55,860
That whole bit just goes fuzzy.

1158
00:56:55,860 --> 00:56:57,040
I was definitely there.

1159
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,500
That's why you can't find VHS is this movie anymore. No.

1160
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,140
I'm pretty sure that that was

1161
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,940
engineered into the movie.

1162
00:57:05,940 --> 00:57:08,200
They're like, OK, well, interest may be waning.

1163
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,400
Like we've put them in this hotel room.

1164
00:57:11,140 --> 00:57:13,900
Let's let's make people think that they see cages dork

1165
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,300
and we'll we'll just move with that.

1166
00:57:17,060 --> 00:57:19,300
Those early days, he might not have had the star power to say no.

1167
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:21,140
Probably could have gotten away with it.

1168
00:57:21,140 --> 00:57:22,660
We might have seen it.

1169
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:25,100
Yeah, this is this is pre Oscar wins.

1170
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:27,460
So I reckon he could have been game for it as well.

1171
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:29,860
You know, my hog on show. Let's go, baby.

1172
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,060
You want to be a star, don't you?

1173
00:57:33,060 --> 00:57:37,820
I mean, Harvey Weinstein's just in the background like, yes.

1174
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:44,960
Oh, well, anything revealed from watching this another time?

1175
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,000
I mean, at this point, you've seen it a dozen times or so or whatever.

1176
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,020
But any any fresh insights?

1177
00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:52,820
It's a banger. I still love it.

1178
00:57:52,820 --> 00:57:56,660
This is still my favorite discovery of this whole project,

1179
00:57:56,660 --> 00:57:58,900
because most of these other movies I've heard about and the ones

1180
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:01,520
I haven't heard about, there's reasons I didn't hear about them.

1181
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:07,420
But this 93 classic, which has got a pretty high score on Rotten Tomato, is awesome.

1182
00:58:07,420 --> 00:58:11,500
It's one of Cage's like highest rated movies on Rotten Tomatoes

1183
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:14,460
and just feels like criminally underseen.

1184
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:16,960
Like it's one of those ones that you mention to people

1185
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,420
and they kind of like look at you glassy eyed and it's like, no,

1186
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,760
it's really fucking great.

1187
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,420
Like, like I think it's because nobody can pronounce the title.

1188
00:58:26,420 --> 00:58:31,100
I mean, Red Rock West, Rock West really have to enunciate it like a madman.

1189
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:33,600
So like, I'm not going to remember that.

1190
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:40,000
Nick, was it you met someone recently who was like, Oh, well, I mean, it's not met.

1191
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:45,000
But I know somebody like I was they were just discovering that I had this podcast

1192
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,120
and they're like, Well, have you talked about Red Rock West yet?

1193
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,800
And I was like, yes. But also, awesome.

1194
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,960
I'm so glad that that's the movie that your mind goes to.

1195
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,120
Yeah. Future future guest, Seth, his mom for Halloween last year,

1196
00:58:57,420 --> 00:58:59,720
she heard about the podcast and she was like, Red Rock West,

1197
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,660
have you watched that one yet? I was like, we did it recently.

1198
00:59:01,660 --> 00:59:03,120
And she's like, good movie.

1199
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,460
I feel like this is a similar to like in unbearable

1200
00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:11,220
weight, how everybody just associates Nicolas Cage with another movie like,

1201
00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:13,060
oh, that Moonstruck motherfucker. Yeah.

1202
00:59:13,060 --> 00:59:15,760
Yeah. It's the Moonstruck guy from Croods or whatever.

1203
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,460
Like everybody's everybody's got their Nicolas Cage movie

1204
00:59:19,460 --> 00:59:23,460
that doesn't have to be part of the Trinity.

1205
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,060
It's I recommend this movie to everybody.

1206
00:59:27,060 --> 00:59:29,060
I can't. Well, now. Yeah.

1207
00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:32,460
This and now that I would consistently tell people to watch.

1208
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,520
Well, because this this is one of the ones as well.

1209
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:40,020
It's like Cage doesn't he's not really dining out on what makes him cage.

1210
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,360
He has a couple of moments like when he like says to Lara Flynn Boyle,

1211
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,660
it's like that.

1212
00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:47,360
Freddie Oz, he's dead.

1213
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,120
And all like, you know, she's like, What about Mexico?

1214
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,860
It's like, Fuck Mexico.

1215
00:59:51,860 --> 00:59:55,900
Like all of those all of those moments like it's like,

1216
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,900
oh, that's that's like the cage we pay to go see.

1217
00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:02,020
But like everything feels like I have a thing on my podcast.

1218
01:00:02,020 --> 01:00:06,400
So it's like and cage freak outs and everything in this is like,

1219
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,760
well, I'm sure if you were put in this pressure cooker situation,

1220
01:00:10,060 --> 01:00:13,160
you would probably would be reacting the way he is.

1221
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,200
So like, yeah, I think I think this is this is up.

1222
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,220
There's like one of the best cage films for me.

1223
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,760
That's a very fair assessment.

1224
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,260
There for me. Yeah.

1225
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:27,720
Well, we're not shy about how much we love this movie here.

1226
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,680
So yeah, absolutely.

1227
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:35,660
It's fair to assume that it's a walk off winner anytime we watch it.

1228
01:00:36,460 --> 01:00:38,160
Which brings us to.

1229
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,620
Well, good cage bad movie.

1230
01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:41,760
Well, I don't even think we have to worry about that at this.

1231
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,260
As good cage, good movie.

1232
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:44,480
Good cage, good movie.

1233
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,420
You cage. Good movie.

1234
01:00:46,420 --> 01:00:51,080
Between these two films, Petros, which one would you put forward in the bracket?

1235
01:00:51,660 --> 01:00:56,160
With the caveat, your opinion does not matter whatsoever to what actually goes ahead.

1236
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,380
Oh, it's obviously stolen, isn't it?

1237
01:00:58,380 --> 01:01:00,080
Yeah, good choice.

1238
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,020
It's Red Rock West. Red Rock West has got my heart.

1239
01:01:03,980 --> 01:01:07,060
As I mentioned, maybe off air like, yeah,

1240
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:11,920
I had the good fortune of doing a video essay about Nick Cage's performance in this film.

1241
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,660
And I did that for free because I love this film so much.

1242
01:01:18,460 --> 01:01:21,620
That and they didn't offer me any money.

1243
01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:25,120
Exposure, baby.

1244
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:30,060
But yeah, I just think it's Red Rock West is, as I said, one of the best

1245
01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:35,720
Nick Cage movies, and it's always a joy because it is underseen.

1246
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:40,560
It feels like you're in like a kind of, I don't know, like a secret club

1247
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,720
of like people who have seen it and like like like you're saying,

1248
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,060
like when people mention it and you kind of have that knowing like,

1249
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,320
oh, yeah, we've both seen this.

1250
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,820
Isn't that great?

1251
01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:56,720
And like, I just hope to share the film with like more people.

1252
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:02,720
And like maybe years to come, it will be like the cult classic that it is.

1253
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,220
I know it's like, yeah, U.S.

1254
01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:07,960
It's really hard to get a hold of unless like you buy an old DVD of it.

1255
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,760
Maybe if it gets a 4K, eventually we'll know the truth.

1256
01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:14,520
Was it his dick or was it a bellbuckle, baby?

1257
01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:18,100
We'll have to compare it to a lot of Zonda Lee.

1258
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:20,720
Yeah, I'm a Dick Truther.

1259
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,520
Dick Truther.

1260
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,620
I subscribe to the flat dick theory

1261
01:02:25,620 --> 01:02:26,960
that wasn't his dick.

1262
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,020
He's got flat dick.

1263
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,860
So you guys, what do you think?

1264
01:02:31,860 --> 01:02:34,420
I ask knowing already, I can't follow that with a joke.

1265
01:02:34,420 --> 01:02:36,360
So I guess.

1266
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,060
Oh, 100 percent Red Rock West.

1267
01:02:38,060 --> 01:02:40,660
It's a great movie. Sorry, stolen.

1268
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,220
Also a fine movie, but it's not a great movie.

1269
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:46,500
I will definitely go back and rewatch Red Rock West.

1270
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:48,520
If I never see stolen again, I'm not going to be upset about it.

1271
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,980
I mean, I'll probably watch stolen again.

1272
01:02:50,980 --> 01:02:54,520
I'll probably actually remember which one it is because I keep getting it

1273
01:02:54,520 --> 01:03:00,280
mistaken with like Rage, which is a far so like inferior, inferior movie.

1274
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:06,120
But it's you know, that's the whole like premise of like the the daughter

1275
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,520
and what happened and whatnot and figuring it out.

1276
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,180
And he's got crime jackets and a criminal past.

1277
01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:14,080
It's crime song.

1278
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,340
He's got crime music in this one.

1279
01:03:15,340 --> 01:03:19,140
Dada da da da da da. No, but he's got his CCR.

1280
01:03:19,580 --> 01:03:20,280
He's got his rich.

1281
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,540
He's got a CCR ritual in this and then he's got the lowrider ritual in.

1282
01:03:23,820 --> 01:03:26,440
Yeah, I'm 60. Yeah, true.

1283
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,680
It's easily confused with that whole spate of like 2010s

1284
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,420
movies where it was just like a single word.

1285
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,780
Do you mean justice stolen?

1286
01:03:36,780 --> 01:03:39,140
Take it. Just like, yeah.

1287
01:03:39,140 --> 01:03:41,820
Well, what is going on?

1288
01:03:41,820 --> 01:03:44,440
Yeah. Give me a title that reminds me what I'm watching

1289
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,580
a year later when I rewatch it.

1290
01:03:46,580 --> 01:03:48,980
Yeah. Red Rock West. Exactly.

1291
01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:51,580
I always know Red Rock West.

1292
01:03:51,580 --> 01:03:53,340
It's just hard to pronounce. Yeah.

1293
01:03:53,340 --> 01:03:54,580
Which is fine.

1294
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,780
Makes it more memorable.

1295
01:03:57,180 --> 01:03:58,240
Flat Dick Theory.

1296
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,780
Mm hmm. All right, Pedros.

1297
01:04:00,780 --> 01:04:04,240
Where can we we've talked about already, but for a good outro clip,

1298
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,440
where could we find you on the Internet?

1299
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,140
Where could people follow you?

1300
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:14,100
So you can follow Caged in Caged in Pod on Twitter, Instagram and Tiktok.

1301
01:04:14,540 --> 01:04:18,740
And you can find Getting Defoe You on all the same places,

1302
01:04:18,740 --> 01:04:20,440
which is Defoe You Pod.

1303
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,080
Both podcasts are super fun.

1304
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:24,200
Caged in.

1305
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,680
Not only have I covered every single Nicholas Cage film,

1306
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,440
I've managed to interview tons of people who have worked on the films

1307
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,240
or work with Nicholas Cage down the line.

1308
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,140
So we've mentioned Pig quite a couple of times.

1309
01:04:35,140 --> 01:04:37,080
Yeah. A few times in this.

1310
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:41,640
I did a series called The Pig Cast where I interviewed the writer,

1311
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:47,480
the director, the composers of the score and even the chef

1312
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,600
who Caged shadowed to look like a chef in the movie.

1313
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:57,280
And then, yeah, Getting Defoe You is a seasonal based look at Willem Defoe's career,

1314
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,040
which is tons of fun.

1315
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:03,480
I hosted it with Darrell Edge, who's also been on this podcast way back when.

1316
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,540
And yeah, that is really fun.

1317
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:09,440
I get to be the great I get to be the second man on that podcast.

1318
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,400
Darrell does the heavy lifting.

1319
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:16,300
So I just get to derail us and talk about Willem Defoe's cock

1320
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,880
any given opportunity. So I'm doing us.

1321
01:05:19,940 --> 01:05:22,100
That's a that's a sweet way to describe it.

1322
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:23,300
It's a good gig.

1323
01:05:23,300 --> 01:05:26,380
I understand. I feel that gig a lot.

1324
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,500
That is my my bread and butter. Just wiener talk.

1325
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:35,000
Yeah. The grenade man just throw that grenade in and watch everyone else go.

1326
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,440
Oh, I guess we're going to deal with this now.

1327
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:40,840
Now, why do we have to hear about Nick's past again?

1328
01:05:40,860 --> 01:05:41,840
We've we've known each other.

1329
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,640
We've all known each other a while. We're used to it.

1330
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,040
Plus, you know, it'll get fixed in post.

1331
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,360
Yeah, I do like to add chores to Peter.

1332
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,200
It really makes his editing time like hell much longer.

1333
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,200
Thank you.

1334
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,000
Nobody's ever said that about me before, but thank you.

1335
01:05:57,700 --> 01:06:00,960
Long and flat. God damn it, Peter.

1336
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:02,700
Like a platypus tail.

1337
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:03,900
No beaver tail.

1338
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:06,360
I don't know. They got tails.

1339
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,060
Yeah. So thank you to our sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt

1340
01:06:10,060 --> 01:06:13,860
and Adam and our cage dancers, Ira, John Freeman and Lance.

1341
01:06:14,260 --> 01:06:17,340
And that's all I got. Red Rock West fucking rules.

1342
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,540
Hey, Nick, where can you find us on the Internet?

1343
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:21,900
You can totally find us on Pornhub now.

1344
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:23,340
I've made an account.

1345
01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:28,540
Just start searching for cage match colon around about way of meeting Nicolas Cage

1346
01:06:29,260 --> 01:06:31,860
or cage underscore match underscore pod.

1347
01:06:31,860 --> 01:06:33,940
I think either of those will find you something.

1348
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,740
And if you don't find us, well, just stick around and maybe

1349
01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:40,460
you'll find something that tickles your fancy.

1350
01:06:40,460 --> 01:06:44,060
You'll find us colon incest twins or something like that.

1351
01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:48,200
Cage match pod colon step brother.

1352
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,300
What are you doing?

1353
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:51,660
Flat dick, flat dick theory.

1354
01:06:51,660 --> 01:06:53,700
Stuck in a washing machine. Uh huh. Uh huh.

1355
01:06:53,700 --> 01:07:03,500
Yeah, bye bye. Bye bye.

1356
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:09,260
I don't know.

1357
01:07:09,260 --> 01:07:11,220
Speaking of apologies, I'm a Clive Owen apology.

1358
01:07:11,220 --> 01:07:13,020
I love Clive Owen.

1359
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:13,960
I got no beef.

1360
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,860
Shoot him up is so much. Oh, that's a hell of a fun movie.

1361
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:20,000
I love it when he starts pulling the trigger with a carrot. Yeah.

1362
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:24,080
Yeah, I like when he shoots him up. Yeah, it's good.

1363
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,080
I like the pot with the guns.

1364
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,480
Apology, a modest. What else do you want?

1365
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,540
Peter Stormare. I don't know.

1366
01:07:31,540 --> 01:07:33,340
MC Ganey. Oh, yeah.

1367
01:07:33,340 --> 01:07:35,380
Always more MC Ganey. Yeah.

1368
01:07:38,580 --> 01:07:41,300
I'm just trying to think how many times do you go to flip someone off,

1369
01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:43,580
realizing you have to like.

1370
01:07:43,580 --> 01:07:45,600
Oh, the phantom. Yeah.

1371
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,080
I mean, it would gross me out more.

1372
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,940
Just see somebody give me three stumps.

1373
01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:51,200
Mm hmm. Yeah. Stumps.

1374
01:07:53,380 --> 01:07:55,140
Vicks. What was it? Thicken the stuff.

1375
01:07:55,140 --> 01:07:57,300
What did you say earlier?

1376
01:07:57,940 --> 01:07:59,240
Fuck, I don't know.

1377
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,100
It was gross. Whatever it was.

1378
01:08:03,740 --> 01:08:04,780
Words just come out.

1379
01:08:04,780 --> 01:08:07,740
I don't remember anything I say here. Fantastic.

1380
01:08:07,740 --> 01:08:09,400
That's why we record it for posterity.

1381
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,040
Yeah, right. And people's exhibit.

1382
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:22,940
Hey, yeah.