1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,800 Oh God. Oh my God. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,800 F**k! 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:18,000 Okay, I see waves and things so this is totally uh... 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Shall we just make some noise for a second then play it back? 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,040 Am I just working? 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,280 Uh sure, yeah that sounds like a thing Peter does. 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,280 Because... 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,280 Yeah we're totally recording. 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,280 Okay, so where were we? 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,280 Uh... 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,280 Good audio, okay good. 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,280 Welcome to a very special episode of Caged Matt. 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,280 Calling around about leading Nicko's Caged. 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,280 I'm your host Sean, here with my co-host. 15 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,280 Nick, I'm Nick. 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,280 And not our producer. 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,280 Yeah, Peter's not here because his family got sick. 18 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:55,280 Or he's making excuses to stop hanging out with us when the day ball is out. 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,280 He's just making us do more work. 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,280 It's true. 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,280 What are we paying him for? 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,280 I'm assuming the sexual favors. 23 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,280 But that actually goes against the whole favor thing. 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,280 Yeah. 25 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,280 Yeah, I expect freebies on the regular. 26 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,280 That would be a favor. 27 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,280 Yeah, that would be good. I could use a little favor here and there. 28 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaking of unrequited dreams, what are we talking about today Nick? 29 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,280 Oh, we're talking about dream scenario. 30 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,280 That's right, the new Nicolas Cage movie. 31 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,280 Yeah, it came out. It's in theaters. 32 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,280 And we went and saw it. 33 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,280 Yeah, we went to SIF last night and watched it with Patreon Sean. 34 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,280 Patreon Sean was there and Patreon John. 35 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,280 And Patreon John. Patreon Sean and John. 36 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,280 But not Patreon Sean John. 37 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,280 No. 38 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,280 He hasn't gotten on the train yet. 39 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,280 This movie is, um, initial thought, weird. 40 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,280 Yeah, it's a weird movie. 41 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,280 It was enjoyable. 42 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,280 It was fun. 43 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Let me just tell everybody what it's all about real quick. 44 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:59,280 So Nicolas Cage plays Paul Matthews, a professor, a tenured professor at a university. 45 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,280 He teaches stuff irrelevant. 46 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:11,280 And right from the onset of the movie, people start like noticing that he's present in their dreams. 47 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:17,280 And it's not necessarily that he's doing anything, he's just there. 48 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:23,280 And as things move forward, the dreams get more... 49 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,280 Upsetting? 50 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:39,280 Yeah, and involved and everything sort of takes a turn for the nightmarish as his rise to celebrity and fall from celebrity is kind of just put out there for you. 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,280 Yeah. I mean, ultimately this film is about being famous for nothing. 52 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,280 And cancel culture. 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,280 And cancel culture. I don't know how I feel about this movie. 54 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:59,280 I know I liked this movie. I enjoyed watching it. I feel like there are themes that I am too stupid to understand off of a single watching. 55 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:07,280 Yeah. I, like, I can't say I didn't enjoy it. I did. I don't know that I ever want to watch it again. 56 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:15,280 Yeah, it's one of those, like, I'll totally watch it again. I enjoyed it to that degree. 57 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:21,280 Especially if I want to ever claim to understand the movie. 58 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:27,280 This is like a lobster for me. I'm like, I don't need to understand what's going on here to know I don't really like it. 59 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,280 I love the lobster. If you're ever into reading short plays, you should read The Rhinoceros. 60 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaking of animal related things, it's short. 61 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:42,280 Okay. Maybe seven pages. I can read that. It's about my attention span these days. 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:48,280 But yeah, this movie, it's, it's hard to explain. So I'm just going to talk about, like, other things. 63 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:54,280 The main part of this movie is about dreams and, like, the interaction with them. 64 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,280 So I was sitting up last night and I was thinking about a couple different dreams that I've had in my life. 65 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Some recurring nightmares, like the earliest recurring nightmare that I remember having as a child plays on standard dream tropes, 66 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,280 like you're flying or you're naked in school things. 67 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:16,280 And then also just like the weirder bend of dreams from, like, external stimulus. 68 00:04:16,280 --> 00:04:22,280 Mine would be a nicotine patch during one of my many, many attempts to quit smoking. 69 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:27,280 I never had, like, super out there dreams. 70 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:34,280 Like, when I was a kid, I had a recurring nightmare about, like, an event where a face would show up in the moon 71 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:40,280 and then people would turn into, like, monkey critters and, like, go bananas. Huh. 72 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:43,280 But that's really, like, the most surreal they ever get. 73 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:48,280 As I've gotten older, they've turned into, you know, stress dreams about I'm not going to graduate school. 74 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:53,280 Or I forgot that I had this one math class that I've never shone up to and it's the final. 75 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:58,280 I did actually miss a final one time. This was non dream related. 76 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:05,280 I just had the schedule wrong. I slept through it and I came the next day for the final and they're like, no, 77 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:08,280 you can have an incomplete and you just have to take the test. 78 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:11,280 But then the professor quit, like he went to a different school. 79 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,280 So I never got the test rescheduled. 80 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:18,280 So I just had an incomplete and like a music theory class forever. 81 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:22,280 Actually, yes, it's still an incomplete. 82 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:25,280 So like my earliest remembered nightmare. 83 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:34,280 And this is a really weird one. I remember waking up like my parents were watching some Whoopi Goldberg movie downstairs. 84 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:38,280 But I would have these. This is like the time I remember it. 85 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:45,280 But it would be like just a sleep paralysis kind of dream where I'm just stuck there and it's a full field of white. 86 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:52,280 Like all I see is white and then in slow motion, Lincoln logs would just kind of pass across my field of vision, 87 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:55,280 like rotating and floating. And that was it. 88 00:05:55,280 --> 00:06:00,280 Like nothing else happened, but I was just terrified. 89 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:02,280 And I always had a good relationship with Lincoln logs. 90 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:08,280 So I don't know what that is all about. Somebody analyze that and tell me in the comments. 91 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:12,280 I started dreaming again recently. I stopped drinking about three weeks ago. 92 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:15,280 I haven't had any alcohol, but I've been sleeping better. 93 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:21,280 But my brain is also like deciding it's like bored now. Let's let's get let's start to get weird. 94 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:23,280 Oh, yeah. I had a dream. 95 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:27,280 The most recent dream I remember, and I only remember it because it woke me up at three in the morning. 96 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:35,280 I was really mad about it is it was like all of our friends hanging out at like a cabin, lake house, whatever. 97 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:37,280 And we're just doing nothing. 98 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:46,280 And Peter is just staring at this glass top table just very intently, slowly looks up, turns to me, says, makes a joke. 99 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:51,280 But it's just gibberish or like backwards. And just in the dream, I think it's hilarious. 100 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:54,280 And then a second later, so in the dream, I just started cackling. 101 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:59,280 And then I wake up at three in the morning and I couldn't get back to sleep. 102 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:04,280 I was really mad at Peter for that. Oh, yeah. That's worth being mad at Peter. 103 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:10,280 Have you ever had any of those like like iconic dreams like a flying dream? 104 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,280 No, no, I don't think I've ever had like specifically flying. 105 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,280 But there was a period where I used to have Spider-Man dreams and I would web slay. 106 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,280 That's awesome. It was so much cooler than flying. 107 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,280 Oh, just swinging around through a city. That was pretty rad. 108 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Incorrect. I have had a flying dream once. 109 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:34,280 All I could think the entire time was what if this stops working? 110 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,280 Yeah. So you start flying really low to the ground. 111 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,280 Pretty much. It's like totally negating the joy of flying. 112 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,280 I don't understand how this works in the first place. 113 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,280 What if it stops? I like that. 114 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,280 I like that your brain forces a little bit of concern and reality. 115 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,280 OK, I'm going to send this recording to my therapist today because I'm just remembering other dreams. 116 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Like I have a recurring stress during where I'm in a car that either like the parking brake isn't quite working, 117 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:08,280 so it's just sliding. But sometimes I'm in the back seat of the car having to steer it as it's coming out of control. 118 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,280 OK, but there's no one in the front seat. 119 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:16,280 So are you like hugging across the driver's seat? Yeah, like I'm driving the car, 120 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,280 but from the back seat for reasons I've never cleared by. 121 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,280 Yeah, and that doesn't make sense. I've seen your legs. They're really short. 122 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,280 You wouldn't be able to reach up front. 123 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,280 No, like the car's out of control. Like I'm not controlling the speed. 124 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,280 I'm just trying to control like where it's going. 125 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,280 I'd be concerned about the speed as well. Yeah. Mostly the stopping. 126 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:41,280 So my external stimulus during my nicotine patch dreams, and I don't know if like you've never taken that or used a nicotine patch. 127 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:46,280 I mean, I had a friend when I worked in fast food who was trying to quit smoking, 128 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,280 and I don't know if it was a show of solidarity or just sleep deprivation. 129 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,280 But let me see what that's about. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 130 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,280 For a non smoker, bad idea. Yeah. 131 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:06,280 Having that constant like insertion of nicotine like into your bloodstream, like while you're asleep, it does like strange, weird things. 132 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:11,280 And I've never been able to recreate it without putting on a nicotine patch. 133 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,280 It usually has to be in the mid to higher level of nicotine. 134 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:20,280 But I had this one dream one time, and it was just so weird. 135 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,280 I was in college and I was walking down the street in my college town. 136 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:30,280 The dreams express are not that of a cake man, but solely of Nick. 137 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,280 Yeah. Nick and his nicotine problems, which I don't have anymore, thankfully. 138 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:40,280 So I'm walking down this street and this person that I know from school is walking down towards me. 139 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,280 And maybe they waved or something or not. 140 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:50,280 And I just like start running towards them and I'm like turning into this demon at the same time. 141 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:58,280 And as I get up to them, I just bought this enormous boner that's also a chainsaw. 142 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:05,280 And it just like swings up and like rips through their body, like from between their legs and then cleanly all the way up through the head. 143 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,280 And their body just falls apart. And I ran through it. 144 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,280 And then that was the dream. It's like I just kept running. 145 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,280 Were you watching a bunch of anime at this time? 146 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,280 Were you watching Devilman? It seems like something that would be in Devilman. 147 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,280 I don't even know Devilman, but I'm willing to try it if it's anything like this dream. 148 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,280 We should watch some Devilman sometimes. It's weird. 149 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,280 So dream scenario. 150 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:33,280 Yeah. You're going to get some weird dreams. I don't think there's ever like a... 151 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,280 The dreams themselves seem fairly sedate within the film. 152 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,280 Yeah, they're very much little snippets. 153 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:45,280 But Nicolas Cage gives such a good performance throughout the whole movie. 154 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,280 And I love his characterization. 155 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:56,280 And I really enjoyed like just the times that like in dreams, he's allowed to like be free with his acting choices. 156 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,280 Oh, he's so good in this film. 157 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,280 It's really something. 158 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,280 Yeah. This is such an amazing performance by the man. 159 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:10,280 I don't know if this is a movie I'll go back to. I really do appreciate his acting and his role. 160 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,280 I think he did a stellar job and the whole cast did a really good job. 161 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Performances by his wife. 162 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,280 I will say, I was... 163 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,280 Really good. The children did really well. 164 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,280 I was bummed that Tim Meadows wasn't getting more to do. 165 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,280 I would have loved Tim Meadows. 166 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:32,280 Yeah. I would have loved more from Tim Meadows, but just his inclusion in the movie was very nice. 167 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Yeah. And Michael Cera as a tech bro, influencer, marketing guru. 168 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,280 Yeah. 169 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,280 Like a bad one. 170 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:46,280 Because one of the things is they want to try and like find a way to use him in dreams to advertise things. 171 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,280 So they're like, we'll just put pictures of you holding Sprite. 172 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,280 Not right, you know, around 9 p.m. 173 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,280 So people will like inflate you with Sprite. Maybe they'll bring about Sprite. 174 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:59,280 Yeah. It's a strange movie. 175 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:07,280 I will say I did enjoy the theater experience. I did enjoy the SIF experience because there were a few people in the audience who were having reactions to this film. 176 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:15,280 Like when he starts getting like canceled, when like the dreams start going dark and he starts getting blamed for that. 177 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,280 You know, there is someone a few rows ahead of us. 178 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,280 It's like, come on. No, no, come on. 179 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,280 Yeah. Being able to see movies and theaters is just terrific. 180 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:32,280 I'm glad we're well and thoroughly past the times of COVID restrictions and things like that. 181 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:37,280 Think of it as you will. It's nice to be able to see movies together. 182 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:44,280 Yeah. I will say that was one of the odd parts of the film is when we get to the canceling. 183 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:55,280 And then it's just like trying to up until he tries to like apologize for it. Like this guy's getting a really bum rap because he has done absolutely nothing. 184 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:03,280 Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know how much of this will we'll get in just for spoilers and stuff like that. 185 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:10,280 But Peter can make that decision. So if you're upset about what is or is not included in this episode, it's on Peter. 186 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:19,280 Yeah. But yeah, it's it's an odd one. Like having sat with it for a night, I'm like, I probably enjoyed it more than I did in the moment. 187 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:25,280 There are some very uncomfortable and hard to watch scenes in this film, not because they're like gruesome. 188 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:35,280 Now there's one pretty gruesome scene, but just the awkwardness of the scene and the awkwardness of this character dealing with his son and celebrity. 189 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:42,280 Yeah. Like there were times where I was like, I couldn't look at the screen for how cringey it was. 190 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:57,280 Now, the writers and the director did a really good job of portraying people who would not be accustomed to or equipped to handle meteoric rises like global celebrity status. 191 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:05,280 And the effect that's going to have on them, their lives, their families lives and everything. 192 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:12,280 I will say I have one major critique of this film, which is I think it needed to end 10 minutes earlier. 193 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:19,280 Like it gets into this really meta somewhat explaining what's happening, but not really. 194 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:24,280 And then it gets just it plays with a lot of fun ideas at the end, but doesn't really use them for anything. 195 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:31,280 And I'm like, if you were going to do that, it should have been throughout the whole project rather than just bumping it into the end. 196 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:36,280 And once you see it, you'll know because it takes a weird sci fi slant. 197 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:42,280 Yeah, I mean, I can see how you're going out of that. I enjoyed how it ended. I thought it was fine. 198 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:50,280 I liked just the natural progression of how people approach new technologies, thoughts, everything else. 199 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:57,280 It has to come with time. I don't think there's a really long period that this movie covers. 200 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:05,280 Seems to be maybe just like maybe two months. Yeah. So I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the ending. 201 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,280 I would recommend it to people. I think it was a lot of fun. 202 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:16,280 It's a lot of fun trying to figure out how you want to talk about it with other people. 203 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:23,280 And it's just yeah, five months walked out of that theater yesterday. We're all just like, huh? 204 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,280 Yeah, it's it's a very interesting movie. 205 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:34,280 And the concept of it is, you know, something something to take home for the holidays and talk with your grandma about. 206 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:48,280 Yeah, maybe she'll dream of Nicholas Cage. I know I will. Bye bye. Bye bye.