God
Listening you all sound pretty even okay, right?
We're gonna just try I'm not hearing anything. I want to hear but like
Listen, welcome to our audience. Yeah, you knew what you were getting into were terrible
Actually, maybe you didn't know what you were getting into I
Don't know why I picked these movies I
Had only seen face off and I saw face off when I was probably
Six or something. So it was the appropriate time
Yeah appropriate time to see right? Welcome
To cage match colon around about wave meeting Nicolas cage. I'm your host Sean here with my
Befuddled co-host. I'm not befuddled. I'm just disappointed
But disappointed but disappointed and what's your name Nick?
I'm Nick season 2 Nick season 2 Nick a lot less to live for
And our producer Peter. Hello and this week we are back for season 2
That's right. Yeah, we've done
32 33 if you count the wrap-up episode 33 plus some extra stuff of these so
And others get ready to hear all the same opinions again for another 15 months
No, but we have friends this time my first opinion is these white cloths. Yeah, they're pretty bad. Sorry sparkle buddies
Buddy suck
But yes, as Peter said we have friends and this week we have our guest Jimmy. Hi Jimmy. Hello. Hello everyone
I'm not drinking white cloth. So I
Will send blessings from afar. I
Think you have the better choice with white wine at this point
It just has to be white
white
Yeah, Jimmy Harrod is a
very talented musician singer
Performer and actor and we're really thrilled to have you join us in our really dumb adventure
Yeah, my first question why?
It's hard to say no to Peter. I tried very hard and no
It's hard to say no here I am
It's true. I get it and I so last season to catch catch me up
Let's pretend I'm totally new to this world was last season all Nick Cage also. Yeah
How many movies has this man done over a hundred and he's got more coming out six this year alone
You know, we're not doing all of them. We take we took what we consider to probably be
his 64 best films
Categorize them Peter misled us into believing these were Nicholas Cage's 64 best films. That's true
And here we are established. We don't say no to Peter
But we took six took 64 films categorize them from action comedy
serious and wacky and
have been every episode taken two films and
Whittling them down from 64 to 32. Yes, we're in the beginning of whittling
From 32 to 16 and then right on down to number one best
Most watchable most rewatchable Nick Cage movie because we will at that point have watched a Nick Cage movie
With single watches seven times. I think will be the the winner
We've committed literal days of our life to these movies
What's the first season just one movie per episode? No, it's the same concept. It was still the head dad. Okay
Tip to tip and and the cages world. Yeah. Yeah, you nuts the butts
Nicholas Cage running a train on us
So Jimmy, what what is it that draws you to this this myth this legend of Nicholas Cage? Um,
You know, it's funny. It's like yeah, I've seen him in many movies, but uh,
I don't know if he's my favorite actor. So this was like a great excuse to like
challenge that and I might have to watch more movies to really get um
Get that final stamps on it, but these two were were a good comparison. Um, I think they're like from different eras of mr. Cage and
And different eras of just like culture
So it was it was interesting to watch these two and try to come up with an opinion
If you don't think he's the best actor now, I think he's the best actor
If you don't think he's the best actor now watch 64 of his films
And then you kind of just have to say he is because people are going to judge you either way
I think my brain is broken now at this point
Well, let's say uh this week our first lineup or our first matchup for round two is face-off versus ghost writers
The first ghost writer not spirit. Yeah, it has no vengeance. No vengeance. No spirit. No spirit. No joy for me
Plenty of joy for me mostly because there's no joy for you
I don't know how you didn't come through
This watching without learning to love it a little bit. Oh, I love it a little bit now
I just really don't like it the ghost writer. So I guess we're talking about ghost writer. Yeah ghost writer is not my favorite
Uh, but yeah, let's let's do ghost writer first. So ghost writer is the story
of a little boy johnny blaze who
Makes a deal with the devil to get rid of his dad's cancer
But deals with devils go poorly. So dad still died and now johnny is the
uh
spirit of the devil's like
Vengeance, but not with that in the title, um, because that's a different movie. Yeah, that sounds like a different movie
It's a better movie
Then he uh grows up and has to
What stop?
Staphyl is his kid from taking all the souls and
Making hell on earth. Yep as a skelly boy. So the first thing I noticed on my rewatch of this movie is
ghost writer and
Blackheart and his friends
They're the planeteers
Oh, yeah earth fire wind water and uh,
Wes bentley is heart
Blackheart, yeah, that's my joke everyone. I'm done. All right. Thank you for listening to cage match. See you all next time
Wait a minute. Do we just always end the episode when shawn tells a joke?
Really really bad one. Yeah
Fold up shot that explains why we finished so many episodes
Five minutes in
I don't know if that's a dig on that. I just never tell jokes or
That all the jokes are good up until the worst one and then we leave
You decide
Fuck you guys. I know i'm fine
Uh, yeah, so this movie is still
weird
But not too weird. Oh god. I still don't like the jelly bean thing in the martini glass
Oh, I forgot about that. Jimmy you said this was your first time watching this movie
Yeah, I remember when it came out like I guess I should say I remember the title, um, but it's kind of stops there
um, I didn't hear anything about it and then
Right after watching it. I wanted to look up the rotten tomatoes
Even though I don't always agree and I kind of had to agree for once and like okay
The tomatoes should be thrown at this
So, uh your initial thoughts
It's funny because I don't want to start talking about um face off just yet or facelift whatever
um, but I did feel like
I left face off with much more in my memory than ghost rider, which I watched after face off
After face off. It's like it's not super memorable and it's kind of formulaic or or just maybe predictable
Like there's going to be a damsel
that's
Sort of in distress and then like yeah, I don't know it was it was just not I wish it grabbed me more
Yeah, it's very much a fluffy movie. There's not
Anything substantial to it and it doesn't like change the game in any way
And and they tried to add comedy like in the sense of the the beans instead of like a drink
Yeah, the first time he does it i'm like, okay fine like weird, but we're gonna move on. Oh, no 20 minutes later here
He's like donna lobe. Do you want some beans? And he's like, I don't want the fucking beans. Yeah
Yeah, the jelly beans it's just it's almost like they wanted to create like
funny things about his character, but then they also wanted like us to have like
Maybe some serious compassion for his like dad dying like I also thank you for um explaining the story much better than I tried to
To someone today. I was like, yeah, like he sells his soul to the devil, but he doesn't realize it
Sort of and then his dad like I was really labored like by this opening that was like so short in comparison to the rest of the movie
But it's totally all right. I've seen the movie quite a few times now. So you've got it down
Just get it down
It was better for me on a second watch. I tried to go in with a very clean attitude on it
I still don't love it
Yeah, it's definitely easier the second time second or third time
like anal
But
Wow, you were you were mentally lubricated for what you were going to experience
Yes, you feel ready second time
I still maintain that the comedy is intentional Peter. I know you disagree with me on this but oh no
I think it's intentional. I just don't think it's great. It's not great. No, I mean, it's fine
I mean this movie's fine the actions. Okay
the cgs
It holds up. I think it really holds for the time for the time. I think the cgi is pretty good incorrect
Ghost writer is really good. Everything else looks like shit
Yeah, yeah the bad guys look so stupid the dirt guy the villains really sucked in this movie. I think that's a problem, too. It's like
None of them are necessarily a challenge aside from blackheart. They're just situational inconveniences. Yeah, and
Black heart he apparently had figured out
Well in advance there wasn't much of a struggle for him
It was just again situational inconveniences. The problem with the character of ghost writer is there
I can't think of a single
Big villain that people would know of his kind of like the wonder woman problem
There's not a mainstream villain that goes along with the character
Like the closest ghost writer villain I could think of and I've read a lot of ghost writer is the orb
Who's just a guy who has a big eyeball for a head?
Oh, yeah, I mean that's kind of cool, but he doesn't do anything. That's he just has that
It doesn't have any power seems like a liability. Yeah, you get dust and stuff in it all the time
It's just it's weird like he's a weird ghost writer
Yeah, just really big ones
Dinner plates and black hearts such a weird villain because he's not a regular comic villain
And I think most people would know him from like marvel versus capcom where he looks like you know a big tentacled badass
Yeah, everything's better with tentacles looking like wes bentley isn't exactly the most badass thing
You hear that wes bentley take that bentley come at me come on our podcast come find me
Share your opinions about how you look
And how you feel about ghost writer mostly that one yeah, my understanding is wes bentley doesn't remember ghost writer
Yeah, I felt like the villains they're all
Well the three he just takes them down within like a minute of them interacting
So they're very like, you know dismissive are just dismissable. Like you don't remember them. I don't know any other names
They just like kind of fly at him or pull him underwater or something and they're like forgotten and it's like
Yeah, there was dirty dog, yeah, uh or what buddy dan? Yeah, moisty boy. Uh-huh moisty
Air, uh windpipe
I mean essentially
Much like the band they took their look from god's mac. We've forgotten all of the moderated
Take that god's mac come on our podcast defend your existence
Talk about ghost writer don't come on our podcast. Please for the love of god stay away
Stay away
I hate season two myself and god's mac
Jimmy are you a comic book movie person at all or um comic book not so much anime. Yes, but um
But no, you know, that's the thing about this about ghost writer. I wasn't super familiar with the character
So to get introduced to him through this lens and for him to be like kind of like laughable and to not have like a great
Like delivered backstory like I think about how many iterations are of spider-man
I think that the reason is because they always set up the story so well of like the origins of his powers and like
Okay, what what?
Variant of the story we're going with this time like I think there are characters that have been so much
Um, they've been executed so much better in terms of like leaving the comic world into the film world
And this is not one of them
It's like I I don't know how many people like you were saying like the wonder moon problem, uh know the villains
and and then when you try to like
I don't know build a story around like just I guess his backstory his backstory feels really thin at least in this portrayal
so I feel like I didn't leave this with like a
Desire to know more but is it a burning desire?
well
No, would you actively seek out any of it?
Or you just disappointed I want to know more like why because it must be a good character if they wanted to make a film
But they made a sequel and they made a sequel. I didn't check out the tomatoes on that but
You guys seem to like it better. It's I think it's worse tomatoes
It was made on a like shoestring budget
And it was like by the guys who did the movie crank. Yeah, it's insane
It's they're like music video directors. So visually it's nuts. The action is
Is better the storyline is terrible
In the usable that's not what you're there for but it was just bolder choices, which actually kind of worked for it
Yeah, just because it was
more interesting
And i've always liked I mean because I have read a lot of ghostwriter and i've always liked johnny blaze's the down on his luck
Town to town like incredible hulk style like sad piano music, but on a hog
Yeah, I wanted him to be more like a sad sack, you know that that kind of story is a little more interesting to me
but like seeing a bunch of fucking
Redneck people just being like johnny blaze
We fucking love you and then in the jail being like I wanted to see you splatter. It's like oh, Jesus christ
I will say of the comic book movies of this era. This is the most accurate depiction like comic to screen
That was out at the time like that is
actually the original
Story arc of johnny blaze and the ghostwriter. What about roxy?
Roxy's a character. Yeah
Roxy's a character is about the best definition
I mean, yeah, that is I mean that's that's their role their role in the movie and their role in the comic book
Is her their role is that limited i'll say
Pretty much. Yeah, I just I found her still wallpaper and then I was trying to think
Is this her acting or is this the writing or is this her character like?
You know, what is it peter peter brought up a line?
That he just loved that she says in a diner. I'm totally forgetting it right now
Oh, it's when she's drinking that glass of wine and the waiter like brings over another bottle and she's like i'm pretty right?
And he's just like god
And that's her comedic moment. I feel like like for us
It's like oh i'm supposed to like relate maybe or laugh at her situation like
I didn't I didn't feel much for her and just kind of bored. I think there's better there's better female opposites
In the stories, but you're saying this is such a
Of the time period this is the most direct
Translation to screen so i'm like, okay, I would not be rooting for her
Which I remembered hating at the time because I wanted this like very dour dark ghostwriter movie and I didn't want it to be a comedy
When I watched at the time but coming back to it for this podcast. I'm like this movie fucking rocks
Because I saw this in theaters like
I had like a 90 dollar a week
Single issue comic book habit. I hung out only at a comic book store. I thought I was going to be a comic artist
So like this is all I cared about it makes sense that it would speak to you more. Yeah than me
That's your response
That's for you, I love that for you
What did you like about the movie? I mean we've all talked about the things we didn't like but I've only talked about the things I liked
It's the same conversation
I'm wrong about everything
I thought it was uh, I mean I could follow it almost better than the film we're going to talk about after this
Like because it's so formulaic you can just like paint by numbers like okay, this is gonna happen and this happens
Oh
Is this a surprise? Not really but that's okay because like at least I know where the you know
I know where the motion will lead us and so that
actually made it
easier to watch
I didn't hate this one actually as much as I
As much as I have strong feelings about the other and so I actually felt like after I liked it more
But that didn't mean I liked it, right? It's hard to hate something
You just don't care about is how I came out of this movie. It's like it doesn't
Affect me so I don't hate it. It's not like bank. I'm dangerous. I don't feel like I wasted my time watching it
I just don't feel for it
Uh good bank. I'm not like kissing on the mouth. Yeah, right. There's nothing for me these days
Just dead below the waist. Yeah
You need a hand across your face
Oh now I just feel anger again
Well, uh before we before we move on from uh from this to face off
I do want to suggest to our listeners peter keep this in here, please
um
The comic series that came out around this time if anyone does want to know more about ghost writer
Uh ghost writer by daniel way artist, uh tex sierra
Was really good. Like it was the big relaunch that came out around the same time as the comic and I remember really enjoying it
So jimmy, where would you slot this on?
Good movie versus good nicolas cage performance, you know in the venn diagram kind of in that concept
Would you call it a good good good bad? Yeah, good cage bad movie bad cage good movie good bad bad good
Um, no, I uh, I that's funny actually because
The movie is like so
Unoffensive or daring that it's like could feel boring
But that's also what makes it safe
And like so it feels very middle of the road, but nick cage in this is also interesting because like
God, I guess it's an interesting thing to watch so many of his performances in a row
Because like it's easy to sort of be like, oh, this is just who they are on screen like, you know to generalize
but I did feel some differences in this and some other moments i've seen of him on screen and
After some of the comedic goofy like the beams and the glass thing
I actually didn't mind his acting
in this
Even if even though I wasn't like I didn't leave it. I don't leave the movie like feeling anything
It's like all right. That's done cool. Yeah, I mean I
I left it feeling like he actually was acting
Where I don't always leave
Maybe watching like an x-men movie with that sensation
What do you guys see? I've come to love this film quite a bit. It's stupid. I love nick cage in it
You know thinking about it after having seen so many of his films
This was 2007 seven early two. It was mid-2000s where nick cage was still kind of a big name
Not that he isn't now, but it's different now like he could still
He could still lead an action vehicle
I think i'm just so
It don't okay. So it only feels to me like this is a movie
I could watch at like my uncle's house, but like an uncle, I don't know that well
So there's no real environment
But like an uncle, I don't know that well, so there's no real investment, but I can put it on
And we can both just ignore each other and ignore the movie
It's just a past time. So it's not silent. Yeah, it's literally just
To speed my way to death
That's how I feel about this movie. Yeah, I mean, it's fine
I wouldn't turn it off if it was on
Unless I had something better to do
Which could be anything
It could be a prolonged bathroom break. I'd watch this during a prolonged bathroom break. That's a long bathroom break. You guys need fiber
Uh just to get away
Just an escape. Yeah fair. No, I I live by myself. I i'm always away
I'm so lonely
No, this movie's fine. Um
Yeah, so i'll say that nicolas cage made acting choices and
That's something you don't always get
It's not a good performance for me and
It's just an okay movie. I don't think the movie works without nicolas cage
I I don't know. I could say otherwise but
make west bentley ghostwriter
Yeah, just as the people demand just make nicolas cage the villain blackheart. Yeah, that would be fine
I would like that a lot as well
I just want anything with nicolas cage and at this point. It's stockholm syndrome, baby. Yeah
Yeah
You've you've you're convinced just from the process of this
Nick caves used to be in everything
It's weird if he's not at this point. Yeah. Yeah, he's in the media. I consume so
I don't think that would change anything. It's gonna be weird when we're done with this in like 15 months
Yeah, suicide pact suicide pact. Yep, but won't there be more movies to report?
Well, we can always review his his back catalog and then the new ones, you know
If we wanted to continue talking about nicolas cage, we could literally just reorganize the bracket
Do it again. Yeah, do it all over start from the top, baby. Yeah
Uh, just do the whole seating system based on how much chest hair we see
Or like how far his hairline has gone. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea
It's it's a body hair only bracket. Yes. Yeah. All right
Does he have a beard? It's a bearded section. See this works. Yeah, damn we could do that. All right
All right. Thanks for the idea jimmy
I was shocked by how cut he was in this movie, right? He does do that sometimes
He doesn't look like that when i'm looking at him neck up
I'm like not trying to look neck up and then and then suddenly his shirt's on like what in
Where how cgi had yeah, he's always got a soft boy face
I'm convinced in this film at cgi because that was it's really cut for him
I'm looking up what movies were around that time, but the abs are also like
Weirdly like grossly cut so before that he was in world trade center wicker man
And then after that he was in the two grindhouse movies and then next which none of those were yeah
No, rift rolls. Yeah. No, that's that's cj. It's got to be cj. It's a fake body
Really? Yeah, it must be I mean we've seen him get cut for roles before but that was like
Chiseled it was chiseled. You know what? Maybe he did get cut to be a superhero because he always did want to be a superhero
He was almost superman. So maybe he did get cut for the movie. So he required that
Nothing seen with him with his shirt off. Yeah, we're just like in the mirror. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, and it doesn't take much to actually turn just being in shape to looking like that. It's just dehydrating yourself
Yeah, that's a good point. So there's no good segue into the name
Jimmy had one earlier and then we kept talking about ghostwriter. So I was gonna say he's in good shape in um face off
There we go, but his hairline is very different. Yes
Well, don't they added his hairline when he becomes uh, jermalta?
maybe that's what it is
They're just trying to blend the hairlines. They're like, uh, we don't know what his hairline should be at the start of this
Um, okay who wants to do a quick recap on face off 1997 john woo?
Nicholas cage and john travolta switch penises
But not
Oh, they totally do
Do you think it was like a degloving situation?
Like they just kind of cut around it and like peeled it off just like the face and then just rolled it down the other penis
Like or an injection maybe it's injection like just weird collagen to like fill it out if it's plumper
But what if it's skinnier? What if it's circumcised?
circumcision, I feel like you could work back and forth with like you just get like a
foreskin tuck
And then they come out kind of like the hem on your pants and then they can release it
When you're when you're done being circumcised
Like a tailor I think so
I'm gonna ask my tailor if this is something we can work with
It's like I don't know i'll just knit you a turtleneck
I can't remember we talked about this. Are you uh you circumcised nick? We've talked about it on like every episode ever
Hold on, let me make sure my volume is up on this part
It's a dominant portion of uh our friendship is just discussing our penises
Sean seems to have like penis blindness in remembering that he's seen both of our penises before
I mean, i've seen I was I saw yours peter cusped by the moonlight
Correct, and I just whipped mine out after a warhammer discussion. I think no we were camping. Yeah
Oh, that's true. We were camping
It was actually both because we made plans to play warhammer and then never played warhammer, but you saw my wiener
What is warhammer?
It's something that doesn't get many people to look at your penis
Okay
And we're back. So uh face off fbi agent sean archer is trying to track down
I want to say zander cage, but now it's castor troye castor troye. Who is zander cage?
Uh, isn't that triple x?
Triple x this is a triple x podcast now. Fuck. Yeah cooking with that cooking with diesel remember that romstein performance in
The second one enemy of the state. I do not oh so good. I never saw that one
My friend's in that movie
Really? He's an extra. Oh nice. I thought you were gonna say it was vin diesel and I was like your friends with vin diesel
Yeah, i'll get him on the podcast. Good. We'll talk nick cage. You only bring this up in an enemy of the state conversation
So zander troye castor troye castor troye is a terrorist
Who is trying to blow up the la convention center in parts of la for reasons?
Yeah reasons but gets put into a coma by sean archer
During a kick-ass gunfight in
A airplane engine depot
Yeah, but they don't know where the bomb is and the only way to get it is for scientists to swap their faces
so
sean archer can go undercover as
Castor castor troye castor troye thought that was right, but i'm like no you're you're probably wrong. We'll get flashcards next time. Thank you
and um goes undercover to
Get the information from castor troye's brother pollock's troye pollock's try
But during the time castor troye wakes up has the scientists put sean archer's face on him
And and penis and penis he's like I want what he's having uh and then
Sean archer has to escape from prison to stop castor troye who is sleeping with his wife because apparently
Nobody decided it was important that this undercover operation
Was not quite so undercover that he could be pulled out so he so that was part of the thing was
Only his partner
FBI director crime fighting partner not his wife partner and the
Scientist who did the operation with the only ones who know
Except for the entire team of scientists who worked there who got they got burned no only three of them got burned
Uh the other ones got burned too the other 20 people did not get burned. They probably got burned
They probably signed like ironclad ndas probably the big part of this is every time
castor troye as sean archer sleeps with
Sean archer's wife and she is none the wiser which just tells me she's been checked out from that marriage for a while
I also really think that they didn't fuck at all or do anything and like that was the thing in months
And that's why he's like oh, you're not giving your wife what she needs. I'm gonna give it to her
I could eat a peach for hours
Eat a peach for hours, baby
She does say that you know they'd been living together as husband and wife for a couple weeks so
So here's my theory about the penis swapping technology because I believe i'm pros penis swap
Of course you would be because sean archer had to go undercover in a you know in a prison
But not only not with other convicts
With castor troye's brother castor troye's brother and castor and polex have definitely taken sink baths together
polex knows what castor's dick looks like
They had to swap do you remember your last sink bath?
Yes
Just because it was like yesterday yeah, but
No, most people don't remember that sort of thing from i'm just i feel like it changes. Yeah
I mean i'm just assuming the fear was mine grew a little since I was a child
I'm just assuming mostly thickening the length is the fbi assumed that you know polex might know what castor troye's dick looked like
And they had to cover all bases. I don't know what my brother's dick looks like likewise
I mean a dick i'm assuming
kind of
Tubular it's odd how most of us in this room
Can we talk know what each other's dicks look like and you don't know your own brother's dick looks
I don't know what either of you guys's dicks look like I could have seen them and it immediately just like
Slid off my brain. It's their memories. I don't need to maintain dick blindness
I didn't go like immediately back to my room and like do a charcoal drawing that I could preserve
Like my future generations
But are they really brothers? That's the other thing. I was there's almost a slight
Strange vibe between them for just a second
That relationship is very weird. I mean they are blood related
Um, but the shoe tying thing is super weird
Like I mean there's some weird incest stuff in this movie. Uh, what's his girlfriend castor troye's girlfriend's name?
Yeah, because when her brother dies brother just like sticks his tongue down her mouth. Oh, yeah that that was strange
But they do a lot of drugs
I mean I do a lot of drugs, but I haven't kissed my brother
Yet like well also there's during that fight scene in the prison, you know, I feel about mouth kissing
It's boring
Yeah, nobody wants to kiss on the mouth anymore. Um, when they're fighting in that prison
There's this moment where pollock's is like i'm gonna get close just for memory sake, but he's like watching the fight. He's like
Yeah, he does get like horny for it you're right he's getting horny and what's up with this tongue in the mouth and
Maybe I would think maybe he would know who it looks like more than anybody else
Okay, so then maybe there's some maybe there's some theory here that we can really latch on to you had to swap the dick
Yeah, is that technology really in their in their ability? I don't know. Can you just like pop them off?
Yeah, well, I think it's more like a mr. Potato head situation
Same concept. Yeah, but there's the stem, right? Yeah the alignment step
Don't don't all penises have an alignment stem penises are just an alignment stem
But that's the other direction. Um, I you know, I stand
With uh degloving. I think that's the way they did it. That's the way they did facial technology. Yeah
Uh, that way you build like a little like jelly prosthetic that you apply over it
You just slide it down you reverse banana that peel but I imagine the skin hasn't really healed on yet
So when he's having sex with his wife
There's a chance that the glove could just slide off the stem. Yeah, he probably
The rawest of dogs. I don't think castor troy would bother holding on to it
He'd let it slide around in there. That might be a little extra for him
The other theory I came up with and maybe this is you know more accurate
Maybe she did think there was something weird with the dick
But then he did declare he can eat a peach for hours
You get a lot of leeway if you can eat a peach for hours. Yeah
Oh, maybe maybe they didn't dick down. He just like you know that
Never done that. Oh, yeah
He doesn't do mouth stuff. He's like superman
Who said that again? I can't remember some asshole. Yeah
Was it pitbull? No
The rock no, it was no I think it was no it's batman doesn't do that. Oh batman doesn't go down
Yeah, superman goes down. He just looks at your body with his vision
uses his lasers to do what he wants just like I don't really want to touch it but
a burning sensation
Just like the ultimate voyeur. Yeah, oh, yeah, you're right batman doesn't go down. Yeah
Coward not with all that gear on it's just like
The mouth is free the mouth is literally the most accessible part of him. It is true
I feel like ghostwriter would but i'm terrified of that
At night yeah at night or during the day like which does yeah, right?
He's like putting jelly beans in there or he's like
using that chain
So yeah, jimmy, what did you think of this? I mean you watched it as a youth right? You know, I'm like, you know
Because it was the 90s the technology seemed way more advanced when you're watching the movie
You're like, oh wow, like this this is like what facelifts are gonna be like in the future like
They're gonna be able to like give me like crazy apps
Like what's it gonna be and then like watching it because this is also, you know
Like it's like when you play an old video game in like 2023 as we're currently in
It's like oh the graphics are not what I remember
They were so cool. I was like, oh my god
It's like oh the graphics are not what I remember like they were so cutting edge or cutting face
in that movie
That now I was like, oh, okay like it, you know, it's still fine, but it just like the logic seemed
I thought the movie was a comedy and basically I was just saying everything felt kind of goofy. It felt like this like
Comedy that didn't know it was a comedy. Yeah, it's definitely got that action comedy
vibe even just like that opening at the chair of the choir singing and he's like
Right, right. He's doing his like little gestural dance. How was that?
Not a red flag for everybody in the area too. Do you not follow what the catholic church gets up to?
Yeah, have you not met horny priests?
You know, I haven't been allowed in church in a while. That's true
I guess what should have alerted everyone else was he was assault sexually assaulting a woman instead of a boy
Mm. Take that catholic church. Come on our podcast. Come on engage. I think they've been coming on enough
Oh
The spotlight is on them
Oh you fucking boo my joke, but you're like sean come on here every other week
This was my idea. I get a pass
Yeah, he's he's very creepy like just from the onset and you're kind of like, okay
How's nobody paying attention to this guy?
They're like mid song. He's like all up on these and if it's a girl, he's all up on somebody. There's somebody he's
Basically groping whatever what were john woo's like American movies. There was this there was
Well, there was the wind talkers wind talkers
Oh mission impossible two mission
That's right. This time that one was the worst mission. It was a terrible movie. Yeah, but on the the the woo
Woo, like overlap stuff so many one of the things that I was really kind of blown away by in this movie is how many people?
Cage has worked with again from this
Joan allen as his wife in this and in left behind
Chris bauer who was dubov the guy in the prison whose
Wife got fucked by whatever. He was the machine in eight millimeter
Nick cassavetes, which was detrick the like drug guy who gets shot in the neck and dies
He was psycho and prisoners of the ghost land harvey prinell is uh the director of the fbi
And he was the father-in-law in the family man
Colm fiori was dr. Walsh who gets killed in this and he was the doctor in city of angels
John carol lynch was the shitty prison guard and he was in gotten 60 seconds
Tom jane was in uss indianapolis. Gina gershon was an inconceivable
And then yeah woo and cage teamed up again in windtalkers. It's like that's a fuckload of people that he's overlapped with
in one weird movie from 1997
Before I don't think him and joan allen have any uh scenes together in
Before she gets raptured. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think they do either, but no that I mean, it's really interesting
That's part of what this podcast is is how much this man fucking works. What is the movie that she gets raptured in?
Left behind. Oh
Oh, no, I know of it. Okay. Yeah, it's of that book series. You were joking but no
Literally left behind. I see now a literal rapture. Okay
So she's in like five minutes of that movie and then gets she's taking a shower it just disappears and there's like a necklace
left in the running shower
How how do people feel about this film like jimmy how do you where do you rate this
Did you enjoy this? Uh the process of watching this film?
I found myself like um, well, it's funny. I mean if we go back to just what the story is of them swapping
Not to spaces but identity is to try to like blend into each other's uh personal lives and working work environments
I found myself um
Initially like man i'm watching trivolta way more in this like I don't know why but like
I'm identifying with his acting choices and then when he becomes um
Um, oh my gosh, i'm sorry castor droid
Yes, you whatever you just said when he becomes
He becomes our good guy
um
Our yeah our bad guy
When they when they make the swap I actually then notice cage's acting choices more
Um, which was actually pretty cool because initially i'm like, oh my god, this character is so too much for me
And I don't know what i'm gonna think about this but about 30 minutes into the movie. There's like for me
There's like a big switch from like the
I don't know the initial onset of this like goofy villain like
We but we see trivolta now become like quote unquote the goofy villain, but like his
Approach at it is really cool for me and then to see cage
Now have to embody like the good guy which
After watching the film reading like the big thing about this movie
Was that during that time period nicholas had only been good guys. This is actually more the character
He typically identifies with but I don't have that um
Experience with him in my memory at least and so I actually
It's like I don't love the story
But I enjoyed both of their acting
The more the story went on but the story like is so ridiculous
I just there's like so many moments where i'm like, okay when when
John trivolta becomes our bad guy or when john trivolta is now bad
I'm gonna have to just say it like that
When he becomes when he's bad I follow the bone
And he's in his office and he grabs his assistant's ass and she's like like kind of like
Caught off guard but like am I into this like what was that like new dynamic in the workspace like
That was so strange. Is it promotion week already?
Right. I'm like, okay. This is the 90s. Like what are they trying to say?
But his acting and that I basically start loving their acting choices after that
Because they both have to be the very opposite of what they've been portraying thus far
I guess you can get out but so I don't know if you saw this in any like
Research you've done for this film that trivolta and cage spent like a week just hanging out together to learn each other's mannerisms to play each other
So, you know, I think it's like
And so another thing that people often don't want to know either while seeingmosts of this passion to
Think about how far trivolta was really going, you know, I've sat on a small table with Bia
I mean, so is trivolta still going?
Step down, step down, step down
Sabato
Yeah, it's still going
Yeah
like crazy villain to like,
I'm not the bad guy that you think I am.
Or like, you know, cage being cage,
whoever he is at the next point,
I appreciate the mellow cage after such a heightened cage.
Story-wise, I'm like, this is all over the place.
But I think that actually,
when I read about it afterwards as well,
like people really liked the risks the movie took
in comparison to everything else that came out.
And that was sort of the big reaction I feel like
I ended up having when watching Ghost Rider afterwards.
It's like, oh wow, like this movie feels so unsafe
in comparison to something that feels so like placid
or like even tempered the entire time,
like that I can predict everything.
Where like there are moments in,
there's sharks, there's LL Cool J.
Oh, Deep Blue Sea.
Yeah, like there's moments of face-off
that remind me of Deep Blue Sea
where it's just a little ridiculous,
but like at least I'm still engaged
and I like wanna stay like committed
to watching the whole time,
which is not my experience with Ghost Rider.
So like this was, in that sense,
it was like a better movie
because at least I was like drawn in.
I think before we get into the final question,
I do have one other question about this movie
that I wanna ask.
Does anyone else find it weird that Sean Archer decides
to like adopt a child who will inevitably grow up
to look like the man who murdered their son?
I've never liked that part of the plot
and I forgot about it again
and I hate that you brought it back up.
They removed that after audiences hated it
and then they put it back for the final cut.
Just like the penises.
Just why?
Yeah, it's terrible.
Here's your new brother
and then she just fucking facepalms.
I respect almost every choice that this movie makes.
I do not like the face touching.
It's just so dumb and forced.
And everyone doing it.
Yeah, and I do not like little boy returnal,
but I like the gunfight in the church.
That was a great gunfight.
I like the combination car and airplane chase
because that's always awesome.
I love a boat chase and this has a sick boat chase
even with like jumps and stuff in it.
That's good.
It's got prison fights.
I don't know.
I like the prison fight.
They just kinda look, yeah.
They just sorta looked around and they're like,
these are all cool things.
These are cool things that make movies cooler.
And then there's just the stupid attempt
at making an emotional climax.
We do have one update from the last time
we talked about this movie to now.
Oh. How?
We've suffered for five days.
We no longer have to say Danny Masterson's
an accused rapist.
Oh, that's true.
He's a fucker.
Oh my God, I forgot about this.
That's an aged scene.
Terribly.
I do regret that there isn't an extended scene
of the daughter just flipping around
and being really good with the butterfly knife.
All she did was practice for three weeks straight.
And it would only be a cut of the hand
and it would be somebody else's hand,
doing all the flips and flicks.
Somebody with hairy knuckles.
Yeah.
You know what?
We can edit that scene from Kick Ass into this movie
and give you what you want.
Yeah.
Just flip it around and then when it gets
to the end of the cut, you just run it back in reverse.
So it's really long.
So we know like, oh yeah, that is the daughter's
really hairy fist.
She got it from her dad.
So in terms of this film, where do we put Cage in this film?
Yeah, Venn diagram.
What's our scale?
Good and bad.
Yeah, scale is too complicated, Jimmy.
You know, it's like, I don't know if I still
don't know if I like Nicolas Cage.
But to get to see both of them opposite each other
and both have to play two characters,
I did end up enjoying the ridiculousness
and the like good guy portrayal from Cage.
And then I just, I'm still like, I
feel like I need to watch it a third time
so I can still wrap my head around what smorgasbord
of a story I just watched.
Like, there's like the big beats.
Like, OK, like in everyone's favorite beat,
bringing the child at the end.
I would love to beat that child.
Oh my god.
Oh, come on.
Whoa, we didn't even do good child, bad child.
That's a bad child.
That's a bad kid.
Out of here.
All right, so where do you guys put this one
on re-watching Face Off?
I am not.
This movie has its highs, but between them
is a lot of nothing.
Like, it's got great scenes with a lot of just,
it's a John Woo film.
It's a long film with great action and a lot of artsy,
this is interesting, but not a great film it makes.
It's a razor thin plot, but it's all action.
And it's an action movie.
It still has good laughs.
I think it's a good good for me.
I like this movie.
I really enjoy Nick Cage's performance in it.
I like how much scenery is chewed in this film.
I don't like the movie.
So Jimmy, I think I know the answer,
but if you could pick and your vote doesn't really matter,
what would you pick to move forward between these two?
It's probably the one I like the least, like objectively.
Or no, no, no, was that the right word?
Like the one I artistically don't like?
Yeah, it's probably Face Off.
It's got to be.
Well, action wise, action wise, it's got to be this one.
I think Face Off.
I almost feel like there's not enough action in Dose Rider.
That's fair.
I don't remember much action.
All the fight scenes are very short.
Flamy driving or flamy riding.
It's all CG.
Sean, what do you think?
When you put it that way, when you put it down
to what's the better action film,
it is definitely Face Off.
I personally enjoy the stupidity of Ghost Rider more,
and I can like sit back and turn my brain off more.
Whereas when I watch Face Off, I have so many questions
about choices in the story.
And I am less engaged with Face Off because
of the script and choices.
But in terms of action set pieces and action film,
it is the better choice.
And it is the better performance.
And I've maneuvered this perfectly
because I agree with the statements
I forced you all to make.
It is the better movie.
Mastercraft.
Yeah, I've been working on this.
Ever since Primal?
Yeah.
No, you got primal.
Krewit Jack.
Can I ask which one's more memorable to people?
I don't know.
I do the weird dumb point thing so much more
than I do the face thing.
Well, if you started doing the face thing,
the podcast would be over.
We would not do it anymore.
Also, we're all glasses wearers.
I put up with a lot of shit from you,
but I'm not going to put up with the face thing.
OK.
Yeah.
That was episode one of season two.
Nice work.
Yeah.
I feel like we came to the correct choice.
Thank you, Jimmy.
Thanks for having me.
Now I'm going to go watch Spirit of Vengeance.
You should.
It's a lark.
It's got Idris Elba in it, doing a terrible French accent.
Yeah.
You got anything you want to pitch or sell to our listeners?
Yeah, where can we find you?
Yeah.
You can find me on only, no, you can find me on,
find me on, what's the popular one?
Instagram, J-I-M-M-I-E underscore H-E-R-R-O-D,
where I occasionally post.
And I'm playing shows all over.
I should be playing some shows in Washington in January,
I believe.
We're international, though, Jimmy.
Yeah.
We've got fans everywhere.
Hey, we reached top 25 in Germany for movie review podcasts
at one point.
Like David Hasselhoff before us.
Yeah, exactly.
But then I think my scathing review of Wings of Desire.
That fucked everything up.
It did.
Fuck.
All right, go ahead, Jimmy.
No, that's, I mean, I'm bouncing all over.
That sounded specific.
Yeah, I'm doing stuff all over the place.
So if you go on there, you'll see
whatever I've got going on.
But thanks for having me.
Thank you all for listening.
Please rate, review, subscribe.
Thanks for coming back for season two.
You can chat with us on Instagram at cage underscore
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But I don't blue sky.
It's the new Twitter.
Oh, yeah.
Wait.
Oh, is it not anymore?
No, no, it's something else.
Yeah, it's the like Twitter.
Yeah, John, Josh, Josh, Dory, the creator of Twitter created
blue sky.
Jack Dorsey.
Jack, you're getting there.
You were close.
Xander cage.
Yeah.
So we're on that too.
I can't remember how you actually give people information
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So find out.
Figure it out.
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I still notice Meredith hasn't joined any of these tiers.
Yeah.
Mm.
Stay strong.
Don't give us your money.
Yeah, we don't need it anymore.
We got these nice microphones.
True.
Yeah.
How do you like this mouth noises, Meredith?
Nom, nom, nom.
Ugh.
Gross.
Also, keep this in because I'm going to text them like, hey,
we started our second season.
I want you to give me feedback on the new microphone.
And mouth noises.
Yeah.
They understand.
Oh, don't do that.
I've been practicing.
I can tell.
That was actually much better.
Right back to disappointment.
I'm fucking going home.
Bye bye.
OK.
Yeah.
We're professionals.
Season two, baby.
The bar has been lowered.
Better equipment, worse show.
I mean, now you hear all our mouth noises.
All of them.
Thank you for being on.
Yeah, it was a real pleasure.
I got to ask you to explain how, when I asked you
how to pronounce your name, what you texted me.
Can you run through that?
Because that is fucking hilarious.
Yeah, just my last name.
No.
People ask me how to pronounce my last name.
Because I think it's not a hybrid intentionally,
but it is a mix of two spellings of the same name.
You have the king who kills his children in the Bible, King
Herod.
And then you've got the department store in Britain,
which is like H-A-R-R-O-D. And my name is H-E-R-R-O-D.
And so I always say her rod, girl with a rod.
And then I was like, just in case there's confusion
about how to say Jimmy or Jai Mai or whatever,
I said the J-I is like the sound in jizz.
And then the M-M-I-E is like in me.
And that is what my AGT following wants to hear.
That's so perfect.
Thank you so much for that.
God damn it.
That's just a mental image of saying like fucking peg me.
Yeah.