1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 God 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,520 Listening you all sound pretty even okay, right? 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,000 We're gonna just try I'm not hearing anything. I want to hear but like 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,400 Listen, welcome to our audience. Yeah, you knew what you were getting into were terrible 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,920 Actually, maybe you didn't know what you were getting into I 6 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,880 Don't know why I picked these movies I 7 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,560 Had only seen face off and I saw face off when I was probably 8 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,360 Six or something. So it was the appropriate time 9 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,360 Yeah appropriate time to see right? Welcome 10 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,680 To cage match colon around about wave meeting Nicolas cage. I'm your host Sean here with my 11 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,120 Befuddled co-host. I'm not befuddled. I'm just disappointed 12 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,840 But disappointed but disappointed and what's your name Nick? 13 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:12,080 I'm Nick season 2 Nick season 2 Nick a lot less to live for 14 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:19,520 And our producer Peter. Hello and this week we are back for season 2 15 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,440 That's right. Yeah, we've done 16 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,840 32 33 if you count the wrap-up episode 33 plus some extra stuff of these so 17 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,920 And others get ready to hear all the same opinions again for another 15 months 18 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:42,800 No, but we have friends this time my first opinion is these white cloths. Yeah, they're pretty bad. Sorry sparkle buddies 19 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,680 Buddy suck 20 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:54,960 But yes, as Peter said we have friends and this week we have our guest Jimmy. Hi Jimmy. Hello. Hello everyone 21 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,560 I'm not drinking white cloth. So I 22 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,600 Will send blessings from afar. I 23 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,640 Think you have the better choice with white wine at this point 24 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,640 It just has to be white 25 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,640 white 26 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,880 Yeah, Jimmy Harrod is a 27 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,920 very talented musician singer 28 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:22,680 Performer and actor and we're really thrilled to have you join us in our really dumb adventure 29 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,080 Yeah, my first question why? 30 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,920 It's hard to say no to Peter. I tried very hard and no 31 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,120 It's hard to say no here I am 32 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,840 It's true. I get it and I so last season to catch catch me up 33 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:44,080 Let's pretend I'm totally new to this world was last season all Nick Cage also. Yeah 34 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:50,720 How many movies has this man done over a hundred and he's got more coming out six this year alone 35 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:56,120 You know, we're not doing all of them. We take we took what we consider to probably be 36 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,840 his 64 best films 37 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:05,160 Categorize them Peter misled us into believing these were Nicholas Cage's 64 best films. That's true 38 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,040 And here we are established. We don't say no to Peter 39 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:14,360 But we took six took 64 films categorize them from action comedy 40 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,560 serious and wacky and 41 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,840 have been every episode taken two films and 42 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,360 Whittling them down from 64 to 32. Yes, we're in the beginning of whittling 43 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,240 From 32 to 16 and then right on down to number one best 44 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:38,040 Most watchable most rewatchable Nick Cage movie because we will at that point have watched a Nick Cage movie 45 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,000 With single watches seven times. I think will be the the winner 46 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,600 We've committed literal days of our life to these movies 47 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,360 What's the first season just one movie per episode? No, it's the same concept. It was still the head dad. Okay 48 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:57,080 Tip to tip and and the cages world. Yeah. Yeah, you nuts the butts 49 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,960 Nicholas Cage running a train on us 50 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:07,960 So Jimmy, what what is it that draws you to this this myth this legend of Nicholas Cage? Um, 51 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,360 You know, it's funny. It's like yeah, I've seen him in many movies, but uh, 52 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,120 I don't know if he's my favorite actor. So this was like a great excuse to like 53 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,880 challenge that and I might have to watch more movies to really get um 54 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:32,360 Get that final stamps on it, but these two were were a good comparison. Um, I think they're like from different eras of mr. Cage and 55 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,480 And different eras of just like culture 56 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,480 So it was it was interesting to watch these two and try to come up with an opinion 57 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,560 If you don't think he's the best actor now, I think he's the best actor 58 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,760 If you don't think he's the best actor now watch 64 of his films 59 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,240 And then you kind of just have to say he is because people are going to judge you either way 60 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,200 I think my brain is broken now at this point 61 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:05,720 Well, let's say uh this week our first lineup or our first matchup for round two is face-off versus ghost writers 62 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:11,960 The first ghost writer not spirit. Yeah, it has no vengeance. No vengeance. No spirit. No spirit. No joy for me 63 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,240 Plenty of joy for me mostly because there's no joy for you 64 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,120 I don't know how you didn't come through 65 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:23,320 This watching without learning to love it a little bit. Oh, I love it a little bit now 66 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,600 I just really don't like it the ghost writer. So I guess we're talking about ghost writer. Yeah ghost writer is not my favorite 67 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,080 Uh, but yeah, let's let's do ghost writer first. So ghost writer is the story 68 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,600 of a little boy johnny blaze who 69 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,760 Makes a deal with the devil to get rid of his dad's cancer 70 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:47,720 But deals with devils go poorly. So dad still died and now johnny is the 71 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:49,960 uh 72 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,360 spirit of the devil's like 73 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:59,240 Vengeance, but not with that in the title, um, because that's a different movie. Yeah, that sounds like a different movie 74 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,880 It's a better movie 75 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,400 Then he uh grows up and has to 76 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,260 What stop? 77 00:06:08,260 --> 00:06:12,520 Staphyl is his kid from taking all the souls and 78 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:19,800 Making hell on earth. Yep as a skelly boy. So the first thing I noticed on my rewatch of this movie is 79 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,760 ghost writer and 80 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,520 Blackheart and his friends 81 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,280 They're the planeteers 82 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:28,760 Oh, yeah earth fire wind water and uh, 83 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,240 Wes bentley is heart 84 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:37,960 Blackheart, yeah, that's my joke everyone. I'm done. All right. Thank you for listening to cage match. See you all next time 85 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,360 Wait a minute. Do we just always end the episode when shawn tells a joke? 86 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,400 Really really bad one. Yeah 87 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,520 Fold up shot that explains why we finished so many episodes 88 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,960 Five minutes in 89 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,320 I don't know if that's a dig on that. I just never tell jokes or 90 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,360 That all the jokes are good up until the worst one and then we leave 91 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,360 You decide 92 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,360 Fuck you guys. I know i'm fine 93 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,960 Uh, yeah, so this movie is still 94 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:10,040 weird 95 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:15,320 But not too weird. Oh god. I still don't like the jelly bean thing in the martini glass 96 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,760 Oh, I forgot about that. Jimmy you said this was your first time watching this movie 97 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:25,400 Yeah, I remember when it came out like I guess I should say I remember the title, um, but it's kind of stops there 98 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,600 um, I didn't hear anything about it and then 99 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,120 Right after watching it. I wanted to look up the rotten tomatoes 100 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,120 Even though I don't always agree and I kind of had to agree for once and like okay 101 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,120 The tomatoes should be thrown at this 102 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,800 So, uh your initial thoughts 103 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:47,640 It's funny because I don't want to start talking about um face off just yet or facelift whatever 104 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,000 um, but I did feel like 105 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:57,640 I left face off with much more in my memory than ghost rider, which I watched after face off 106 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:05,160 After face off. It's like it's not super memorable and it's kind of formulaic or or just maybe predictable 107 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,240 Like there's going to be a damsel 108 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,280 that's 109 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:15,240 Sort of in distress and then like yeah, I don't know it was it was just not I wish it grabbed me more 110 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,760 Yeah, it's very much a fluffy movie. There's not 111 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,400 Anything substantial to it and it doesn't like change the game in any way 112 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:28,520 And and they tried to add comedy like in the sense of the the beans instead of like a drink 113 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:35,160 Yeah, the first time he does it i'm like, okay fine like weird, but we're gonna move on. Oh, no 20 minutes later here 114 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,480 He's like donna lobe. Do you want some beans? And he's like, I don't want the fucking beans. Yeah 115 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,880 Yeah, the jelly beans it's just it's almost like they wanted to create like 116 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,800 funny things about his character, but then they also wanted like us to have like 117 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:57,480 Maybe some serious compassion for his like dad dying like I also thank you for um explaining the story much better than I tried to 118 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:03,640 To someone today. I was like, yeah, like he sells his soul to the devil, but he doesn't realize it 119 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:12,200 Sort of and then his dad like I was really labored like by this opening that was like so short in comparison to the rest of the movie 120 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:17,720 But it's totally all right. I've seen the movie quite a few times now. So you've got it down 121 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,320 Just get it down 122 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:25,240 It was better for me on a second watch. I tried to go in with a very clean attitude on it 123 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,720 I still don't love it 124 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,160 Yeah, it's definitely easier the second time second or third time 125 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,120 like anal 126 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,600 But 127 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:43,640 Wow, you were you were mentally lubricated for what you were going to experience 128 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,360 Yes, you feel ready second time 129 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:52,840 I still maintain that the comedy is intentional Peter. I know you disagree with me on this but oh no 130 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,720 I think it's intentional. I just don't think it's great. It's not great. No, I mean, it's fine 131 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,680 I mean this movie's fine the actions. Okay 132 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,000 the cgs 133 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:08,920 It holds up. I think it really holds for the time for the time. I think the cgi is pretty good incorrect 134 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,240 Ghost writer is really good. Everything else looks like shit 135 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:20,760 Yeah, yeah the bad guys look so stupid the dirt guy the villains really sucked in this movie. I think that's a problem, too. It's like 136 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:29,480 None of them are necessarily a challenge aside from blackheart. They're just situational inconveniences. Yeah, and 137 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,040 Black heart he apparently had figured out 138 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,280 Well in advance there wasn't much of a struggle for him 139 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:43,560 It was just again situational inconveniences. The problem with the character of ghost writer is there 140 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,040 I can't think of a single 141 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,000 Big villain that people would know of his kind of like the wonder woman problem 142 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,800 There's not a mainstream villain that goes along with the character 143 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:59,960 Like the closest ghost writer villain I could think of and I've read a lot of ghost writer is the orb 144 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:03,800 Who's just a guy who has a big eyeball for a head? 145 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,520 Oh, yeah, I mean that's kind of cool, but he doesn't do anything. That's he just has that 146 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,720 It doesn't have any power seems like a liability. Yeah, you get dust and stuff in it all the time 147 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,680 It's just it's weird like he's a weird ghost writer 148 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,200 Yeah, just really big ones 149 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:26,040 Dinner plates and black hearts such a weird villain because he's not a regular comic villain 150 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:31,080 And I think most people would know him from like marvel versus capcom where he looks like you know a big tentacled badass 151 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:36,520 Yeah, everything's better with tentacles looking like wes bentley isn't exactly the most badass thing 152 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:43,400 You hear that wes bentley take that bentley come at me come on our podcast come find me 153 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,840 Share your opinions about how you look 154 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,800 And how you feel about ghost writer mostly that one yeah, my understanding is wes bentley doesn't remember ghost writer 155 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,840 Yeah, I felt like the villains they're all 156 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,320 Well the three he just takes them down within like a minute of them interacting 157 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:07,800 So they're very like, you know dismissive are just dismissable. Like you don't remember them. I don't know any other names 158 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:14,760 They just like kind of fly at him or pull him underwater or something and they're like forgotten and it's like 159 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:22,120 Yeah, there was dirty dog, yeah, uh or what buddy dan? Yeah, moisty boy. Uh-huh moisty 160 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,640 Air, uh windpipe 161 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,520 I mean essentially 162 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,480 Much like the band they took their look from god's mac. We've forgotten all of the moderated 163 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,840 Take that god's mac come on our podcast defend your existence 164 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:44,600 Talk about ghost writer don't come on our podcast. Please for the love of god stay away 165 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,440 Stay away 166 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,480 Stay away 167 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,400 I hate season two myself and god's mac 168 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:07,960 Jimmy are you a comic book movie person at all or um comic book not so much anime. Yes, but um 169 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:14,040 But no, you know, that's the thing about this about ghost writer. I wasn't super familiar with the character 170 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:21,560 So to get introduced to him through this lens and for him to be like kind of like laughable and to not have like a great 171 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:28,280 Like delivered backstory like I think about how many iterations are of spider-man 172 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:35,000 I think that the reason is because they always set up the story so well of like the origins of his powers and like 173 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,400 Okay, what what? 174 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:42,680 Variant of the story we're going with this time like I think there are characters that have been so much 175 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:48,920 Um, they've been executed so much better in terms of like leaving the comic world into the film world 176 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:51,560 And this is not one of them 177 00:13:54,440 --> 00:14:00,440 It's like I I don't know how many people like you were saying like the wonder moon problem, uh know the villains 178 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,240 and and then when you try to like 179 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:11,320 I don't know build a story around like just I guess his backstory his backstory feels really thin at least in this portrayal 180 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,440 so I feel like I didn't leave this with like a 181 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:18,920 Desire to know more but is it a burning desire? 182 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,880 well 183 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,360 No, would you actively seek out any of it? 184 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:31,720 Or you just disappointed I want to know more like why because it must be a good character if they wanted to make a film 185 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,560 But they made a sequel and they made a sequel. I didn't check out the tomatoes on that but 186 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,480 You guys seem to like it better. It's I think it's worse tomatoes 187 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,120 It was made on a like shoestring budget 188 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,720 And it was like by the guys who did the movie crank. Yeah, it's insane 189 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:54,120 It's they're like music video directors. So visually it's nuts. The action is 190 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,840 Is better the storyline is terrible 191 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:03,480 In the usable that's not what you're there for but it was just bolder choices, which actually kind of worked for it 192 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,480 Yeah, just because it was 193 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,480 more interesting 194 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:13,240 And i've always liked I mean because I have read a lot of ghostwriter and i've always liked johnny blaze's the down on his luck 195 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,520 Town to town like incredible hulk style like sad piano music, but on a hog 196 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,480 Yeah, I wanted him to be more like a sad sack, you know that that kind of story is a little more interesting to me 197 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,480 but like seeing a bunch of fucking 198 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,080 Redneck people just being like johnny blaze 199 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:35,480 We fucking love you and then in the jail being like I wanted to see you splatter. It's like oh, Jesus christ 200 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:42,600 I will say of the comic book movies of this era. This is the most accurate depiction like comic to screen 201 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,680 That was out at the time like that is 202 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,560 actually the original 203 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,040 Story arc of johnny blaze and the ghostwriter. What about roxy? 204 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,760 Roxy's a character. Yeah 205 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,720 Roxy's a character is about the best definition 206 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,920 I mean, yeah, that is I mean that's that's their role their role in the movie and their role in the comic book 207 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,960 Is her their role is that limited i'll say 208 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,840 Pretty much. Yeah, I just I found her still wallpaper and then I was trying to think 209 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,080 Is this her acting or is this the writing or is this her character like? 210 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,760 You know, what is it peter peter brought up a line? 211 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,200 That he just loved that she says in a diner. I'm totally forgetting it right now 212 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:31,880 Oh, it's when she's drinking that glass of wine and the waiter like brings over another bottle and she's like i'm pretty right? 213 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,880 And he's just like god 214 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,160 And that's her comedic moment. I feel like like for us 215 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,720 It's like oh i'm supposed to like relate maybe or laugh at her situation like 216 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:51,080 I didn't I didn't feel much for her and just kind of bored. I think there's better there's better female opposites 217 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,440 In the stories, but you're saying this is such a 218 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,880 Of the time period this is the most direct 219 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,380 Translation to screen so i'm like, okay, I would not be rooting for her 220 00:17:02,700 --> 00:17:10,140 Which I remembered hating at the time because I wanted this like very dour dark ghostwriter movie and I didn't want it to be a comedy 221 00:17:10,540 --> 00:17:14,780 When I watched at the time but coming back to it for this podcast. I'm like this movie fucking rocks 222 00:17:16,620 --> 00:17:18,620 Because I saw this in theaters like 223 00:17:18,860 --> 00:17:20,860 I had like a 90 dollar a week 224 00:17:21,180 --> 00:17:26,140 Single issue comic book habit. I hung out only at a comic book store. I thought I was going to be a comic artist 225 00:17:26,140 --> 00:17:30,780 So like this is all I cared about it makes sense that it would speak to you more. Yeah than me 226 00:17:31,740 --> 00:17:33,740 That's your response 227 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:38,060 That's for you, I love that for you 228 00:17:39,260 --> 00:17:45,900 What did you like about the movie? I mean we've all talked about the things we didn't like but I've only talked about the things I liked 229 00:17:47,020 --> 00:17:49,020 It's the same conversation 230 00:17:49,740 --> 00:17:51,740 I'm wrong about everything 231 00:17:51,740 --> 00:17:59,580 I thought it was uh, I mean I could follow it almost better than the film we're going to talk about after this 232 00:18:00,220 --> 00:18:07,100 Like because it's so formulaic you can just like paint by numbers like okay, this is gonna happen and this happens 233 00:18:07,580 --> 00:18:08,460 Oh 234 00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:13,420 Is this a surprise? Not really but that's okay because like at least I know where the you know 235 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:15,820 I know where the motion will lead us and so that 236 00:18:16,620 --> 00:18:18,300 actually made it 237 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:20,300 easier to watch 238 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:22,860 I didn't hate this one actually as much as I 239 00:18:23,820 --> 00:18:29,260 As much as I have strong feelings about the other and so I actually felt like after I liked it more 240 00:18:29,660 --> 00:18:33,980 But that didn't mean I liked it, right? It's hard to hate something 241 00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:38,380 You just don't care about is how I came out of this movie. It's like it doesn't 242 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:45,180 Affect me so I don't hate it. It's not like bank. I'm dangerous. I don't feel like I wasted my time watching it 243 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:47,660 I just don't feel for it 244 00:18:47,660 --> 00:18:53,020 Uh good bank. I'm not like kissing on the mouth. Yeah, right. There's nothing for me these days 245 00:18:53,740 --> 00:18:55,740 Just dead below the waist. Yeah 246 00:18:56,940 --> 00:18:58,940 You need a hand across your face 247 00:19:01,020 --> 00:19:03,020 Oh now I just feel anger again 248 00:19:03,740 --> 00:19:07,900 Well, uh before we before we move on from uh from this to face off 249 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:10,780 I do want to suggest to our listeners peter keep this in here, please 250 00:19:11,180 --> 00:19:12,140 um 251 00:19:12,140 --> 00:19:15,340 The comic series that came out around this time if anyone does want to know more about ghost writer 252 00:19:15,340 --> 00:19:19,740 Uh ghost writer by daniel way artist, uh tex sierra 253 00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:25,660 Was really good. Like it was the big relaunch that came out around the same time as the comic and I remember really enjoying it 254 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:28,860 So jimmy, where would you slot this on? 255 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:35,660 Good movie versus good nicolas cage performance, you know in the venn diagram kind of in that concept 256 00:19:35,660 --> 00:19:41,500 Would you call it a good good good bad? Yeah, good cage bad movie bad cage good movie good bad bad good 257 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:46,060 Um, no, I uh, I that's funny actually because 258 00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:48,700 The movie is like so 259 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,700 Unoffensive or daring that it's like could feel boring 260 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:55,260 But that's also what makes it safe 261 00:19:55,500 --> 00:20:02,460 And like so it feels very middle of the road, but nick cage in this is also interesting because like 262 00:20:03,260 --> 00:20:06,860 God, I guess it's an interesting thing to watch so many of his performances in a row 263 00:20:06,860 --> 00:20:11,900 Because like it's easy to sort of be like, oh, this is just who they are on screen like, you know to generalize 264 00:20:12,060 --> 00:20:17,820 but I did feel some differences in this and some other moments i've seen of him on screen and 265 00:20:19,020 --> 00:20:23,340 After some of the comedic goofy like the beams and the glass thing 266 00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:26,140 I actually didn't mind his acting 267 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:27,820 in this 268 00:20:27,820 --> 00:20:32,380 Even if even though I wasn't like I didn't leave it. I don't leave the movie like feeling anything 269 00:20:32,380 --> 00:20:37,100 It's like all right. That's done cool. Yeah, I mean I 270 00:20:37,660 --> 00:20:40,140 I left it feeling like he actually was acting 271 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:42,700 Where I don't always leave 272 00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:46,860 Maybe watching like an x-men movie with that sensation 273 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:54,620 What do you guys see? I've come to love this film quite a bit. It's stupid. I love nick cage in it 274 00:20:55,340 --> 00:20:58,220 You know thinking about it after having seen so many of his films 275 00:20:58,220 --> 00:21:06,780 This was 2007 seven early two. It was mid-2000s where nick cage was still kind of a big name 276 00:21:07,340 --> 00:21:10,380 Not that he isn't now, but it's different now like he could still 277 00:21:10,940 --> 00:21:12,940 He could still lead an action vehicle 278 00:21:13,660 --> 00:21:15,660 I think i'm just so 279 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:19,980 It don't okay. So it only feels to me like this is a movie 280 00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:23,740 I could watch at like my uncle's house, but like an uncle, I don't know that well 281 00:21:23,740 --> 00:21:25,500 So there's no real environment 282 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:29,660 But like an uncle, I don't know that well, so there's no real investment, but I can put it on 283 00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:33,980 And we can both just ignore each other and ignore the movie 284 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:38,300 It's just a past time. So it's not silent. Yeah, it's literally just 285 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:41,020 To speed my way to death 286 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:44,540 That's how I feel about this movie. Yeah, I mean, it's fine 287 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:47,340 I wouldn't turn it off if it was on 288 00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:50,060 Unless I had something better to do 289 00:21:50,780 --> 00:21:52,780 Which could be anything 290 00:21:52,780 --> 00:21:59,500 It could be a prolonged bathroom break. I'd watch this during a prolonged bathroom break. That's a long bathroom break. You guys need fiber 291 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:02,300 Uh just to get away 292 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:06,940 Just an escape. Yeah fair. No, I I live by myself. I i'm always away 293 00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:09,340 I'm so lonely 294 00:22:09,340 --> 00:22:11,580 No, this movie's fine. Um 295 00:22:13,260 --> 00:22:17,180 Yeah, so i'll say that nicolas cage made acting choices and 296 00:22:18,060 --> 00:22:20,060 That's something you don't always get 297 00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:22,620 It's not a good performance for me and 298 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:27,180 It's just an okay movie. I don't think the movie works without nicolas cage 299 00:22:27,660 --> 00:22:30,140 I I don't know. I could say otherwise but 300 00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:33,020 make west bentley ghostwriter 301 00:22:33,340 --> 00:22:39,900 Yeah, just as the people demand just make nicolas cage the villain blackheart. Yeah, that would be fine 302 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:41,820 I would like that a lot as well 303 00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:45,340 I just want anything with nicolas cage and at this point. It's stockholm syndrome, baby. Yeah 304 00:22:46,460 --> 00:22:48,300 Yeah 305 00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:51,820 You've you've you're convinced just from the process of this 306 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:54,380 Nick caves used to be in everything 307 00:22:54,860 --> 00:22:59,180 It's weird if he's not at this point. Yeah. Yeah, he's in the media. I consume so 308 00:23:00,140 --> 00:23:04,380 I don't think that would change anything. It's gonna be weird when we're done with this in like 15 months 309 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:09,340 Yeah, suicide pact suicide pact. Yep, but won't there be more movies to report? 310 00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:13,260 Well, we can always review his his back catalog and then the new ones, you know 311 00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:19,340 If we wanted to continue talking about nicolas cage, we could literally just reorganize the bracket 312 00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:23,180 Do it again. Yeah, do it all over start from the top, baby. Yeah 313 00:23:24,380 --> 00:23:28,780 Uh, just do the whole seating system based on how much chest hair we see 314 00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:33,980 Or like how far his hairline has gone. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea 315 00:23:35,340 --> 00:23:38,940 It's it's a body hair only bracket. Yes. Yeah. All right 316 00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:44,460 Does he have a beard? It's a bearded section. See this works. Yeah, damn we could do that. All right 317 00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:46,460 All right. Thanks for the idea jimmy 318 00:23:46,780 --> 00:23:52,300 I was shocked by how cut he was in this movie, right? He does do that sometimes 319 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:55,580 He doesn't look like that when i'm looking at him neck up 320 00:23:56,220 --> 00:24:02,140 I'm like not trying to look neck up and then and then suddenly his shirt's on like what in 321 00:24:02,940 --> 00:24:07,260 Where how cgi had yeah, he's always got a soft boy face 322 00:24:07,260 --> 00:24:12,460 I'm convinced in this film at cgi because that was it's really cut for him 323 00:24:12,460 --> 00:24:16,540 I'm looking up what movies were around that time, but the abs are also like 324 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:22,540 Weirdly like grossly cut so before that he was in world trade center wicker man 325 00:24:22,780 --> 00:24:27,740 And then after that he was in the two grindhouse movies and then next which none of those were yeah 326 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:32,300 No, rift rolls. Yeah. No, that's that's cj. It's got to be cj. It's a fake body 327 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:38,860 Really? Yeah, it must be I mean we've seen him get cut for roles before but that was like 328 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:45,420 Chiseled it was chiseled. You know what? Maybe he did get cut to be a superhero because he always did want to be a superhero 329 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:49,980 He was almost superman. So maybe he did get cut for the movie. So he required that 330 00:24:50,540 --> 00:24:54,300 Nothing seen with him with his shirt off. Yeah, we're just like in the mirror. Yeah 331 00:24:54,460 --> 00:25:01,020 Yeah, yeah, and it doesn't take much to actually turn just being in shape to looking like that. It's just dehydrating yourself 332 00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:04,380 Yeah, that's a good point. So there's no good segue into the name 333 00:25:05,020 --> 00:25:11,020 Jimmy had one earlier and then we kept talking about ghostwriter. So I was gonna say he's in good shape in um face off 334 00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:15,500 There we go, but his hairline is very different. Yes 335 00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:20,620 Well, don't they added his hairline when he becomes uh, jermalta? 336 00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:23,020 maybe that's what it is 337 00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:28,540 They're just trying to blend the hairlines. They're like, uh, we don't know what his hairline should be at the start of this 338 00:25:28,540 --> 00:25:34,220 Um, okay who wants to do a quick recap on face off 1997 john woo? 339 00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:37,900 Nicholas cage and john travolta switch penises 340 00:25:39,180 --> 00:25:40,780 But not 341 00:25:40,780 --> 00:25:42,780 Oh, they totally do 342 00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:45,100 Do you think it was like a degloving situation? 343 00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:51,660 Like they just kind of cut around it and like peeled it off just like the face and then just rolled it down the other penis 344 00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:58,300 Like or an injection maybe it's injection like just weird collagen to like fill it out if it's plumper 345 00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:00,960 But what if it's skinnier? What if it's circumcised? 346 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,540 circumcision, I feel like you could work back and forth with like you just get like a 347 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:08,940 foreskin tuck 348 00:26:08,940 --> 00:26:13,340 And then they come out kind of like the hem on your pants and then they can release it 349 00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:16,400 When you're when you're done being circumcised 350 00:26:17,420 --> 00:26:19,420 Like a tailor I think so 351 00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:23,100 I'm gonna ask my tailor if this is something we can work with 352 00:26:25,020 --> 00:26:27,020 It's like I don't know i'll just knit you a turtleneck 353 00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:33,020 I can't remember we talked about this. Are you uh you circumcised nick? We've talked about it on like every episode ever 354 00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:38,140 Hold on, let me make sure my volume is up on this part 355 00:26:39,020 --> 00:26:43,520 It's a dominant portion of uh our friendship is just discussing our penises 356 00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:49,340 Sean seems to have like penis blindness in remembering that he's seen both of our penises before 357 00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:53,980 I mean, i've seen I was I saw yours peter cusped by the moonlight 358 00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:59,580 Correct, and I just whipped mine out after a warhammer discussion. I think no we were camping. Yeah 359 00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:01,500 Oh, that's true. We were camping 360 00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:06,860 It was actually both because we made plans to play warhammer and then never played warhammer, but you saw my wiener 361 00:27:07,340 --> 00:27:09,340 What is warhammer? 362 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:13,020 It's something that doesn't get many people to look at your penis 363 00:27:14,140 --> 00:27:15,260 Okay 364 00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:16,620 Okay 365 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:21,820 And we're back. So uh face off fbi agent sean archer is trying to track down 366 00:27:21,820 --> 00:27:26,620 I want to say zander cage, but now it's castor troye castor troye. Who is zander cage? 367 00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:29,340 Uh, isn't that triple x? 368 00:27:29,660 --> 00:27:37,660 Triple x this is a triple x podcast now. Fuck. Yeah cooking with that cooking with diesel remember that romstein performance in 369 00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:42,860 The second one enemy of the state. I do not oh so good. I never saw that one 370 00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:45,340 My friend's in that movie 371 00:27:45,340 --> 00:27:50,300 Really? He's an extra. Oh nice. I thought you were gonna say it was vin diesel and I was like your friends with vin diesel 372 00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:56,540 Yeah, i'll get him on the podcast. Good. We'll talk nick cage. You only bring this up in an enemy of the state conversation 373 00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:01,580 So zander troye castor troye castor troye is a terrorist 374 00:28:02,140 --> 00:28:06,700 Who is trying to blow up the la convention center in parts of la for reasons? 375 00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:11,340 Yeah reasons but gets put into a coma by sean archer 376 00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:14,300 During a kick-ass gunfight in 377 00:28:15,020 --> 00:28:17,020 A airplane engine depot 378 00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:22,620 Yeah, but they don't know where the bomb is and the only way to get it is for scientists to swap their faces 379 00:28:23,180 --> 00:28:24,220 so 380 00:28:24,220 --> 00:28:27,020 sean archer can go undercover as 381 00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:34,940 Castor castor troye castor troye thought that was right, but i'm like no you're you're probably wrong. We'll get flashcards next time. Thank you 382 00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:38,300 and um goes undercover to 383 00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:42,940 Get the information from castor troye's brother pollock's troye pollock's try 384 00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:48,540 But during the time castor troye wakes up has the scientists put sean archer's face on him 385 00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:53,660 And and penis and penis he's like I want what he's having uh and then 386 00:28:54,380 --> 00:29:00,220 Sean archer has to escape from prison to stop castor troye who is sleeping with his wife because apparently 387 00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:04,380 Nobody decided it was important that this undercover operation 388 00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:11,340 Was not quite so undercover that he could be pulled out so he so that was part of the thing was 389 00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:13,340 Only his partner 390 00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:17,260 FBI director crime fighting partner not his wife partner and the 391 00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:20,540 Scientist who did the operation with the only ones who know 392 00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:27,020 Except for the entire team of scientists who worked there who got they got burned no only three of them got burned 393 00:29:27,020 --> 00:29:31,020 Uh the other ones got burned too the other 20 people did not get burned. They probably got burned 394 00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:36,380 They probably signed like ironclad ndas probably the big part of this is every time 395 00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:39,820 castor troye as sean archer sleeps with 396 00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:45,180 Sean archer's wife and she is none the wiser which just tells me she's been checked out from that marriage for a while 397 00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:51,020 I also really think that they didn't fuck at all or do anything and like that was the thing in months 398 00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:56,860 And that's why he's like oh, you're not giving your wife what she needs. I'm gonna give it to her 399 00:29:57,580 --> 00:29:59,580 I could eat a peach for hours 400 00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:00,780 Eat a peach for hours, baby 401 00:30:00,780 --> 00:30:04,860 She does say that you know they'd been living together as husband and wife for a couple weeks so 402 00:30:04,860 --> 00:30:09,580 So here's my theory about the penis swapping technology because I believe i'm pros penis swap 403 00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:15,340 Of course you would be because sean archer had to go undercover in a you know in a prison 404 00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:17,900 But not only not with other convicts 405 00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:23,820 With castor troye's brother castor troye's brother and castor and polex have definitely taken sink baths together 406 00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:26,380 polex knows what castor's dick looks like 407 00:30:27,180 --> 00:30:30,220 They had to swap do you remember your last sink bath? 408 00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:33,020 Yes 409 00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:35,020 Yes 410 00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:38,940 Just because it was like yesterday yeah, but 411 00:30:39,980 --> 00:30:46,060 No, most people don't remember that sort of thing from i'm just i feel like it changes. Yeah 412 00:30:47,260 --> 00:30:51,740 I mean i'm just assuming the fear was mine grew a little since I was a child 413 00:30:52,460 --> 00:31:00,540 I'm just assuming mostly thickening the length is the fbi assumed that you know polex might know what castor troye's dick looked like 414 00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:05,100 And they had to cover all bases. I don't know what my brother's dick looks like likewise 415 00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:07,900 I mean a dick i'm assuming 416 00:31:08,380 --> 00:31:09,900 kind of 417 00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:12,380 Tubular it's odd how most of us in this room 418 00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:15,980 Can we talk know what each other's dicks look like and you don't know your own brother's dick looks 419 00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:21,100 I don't know what either of you guys's dicks look like I could have seen them and it immediately just like 420 00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:26,320 Slid off my brain. It's their memories. I don't need to maintain dick blindness 421 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:32,960 I didn't go like immediately back to my room and like do a charcoal drawing that I could preserve 422 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,160 Like my future generations 423 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,800 But are they really brothers? That's the other thing. I was there's almost a slight 424 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,240 Strange vibe between them for just a second 425 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,120 That relationship is very weird. I mean they are blood related 426 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,280 Um, but the shoe tying thing is super weird 427 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,720 Like I mean there's some weird incest stuff in this movie. Uh, what's his girlfriend castor troye's girlfriend's name? 428 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,960 Yeah, because when her brother dies brother just like sticks his tongue down her mouth. Oh, yeah that that was strange 429 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,440 But they do a lot of drugs 430 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,400 I mean I do a lot of drugs, but I haven't kissed my brother 431 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:17,120 Yet like well also there's during that fight scene in the prison, you know, I feel about mouth kissing 432 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000 It's boring 433 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,840 Yeah, nobody wants to kiss on the mouth anymore. Um, when they're fighting in that prison 434 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:33,440 There's this moment where pollock's is like i'm gonna get close just for memory sake, but he's like watching the fight. He's like 435 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:43,360 Yeah, he does get like horny for it you're right he's getting horny and what's up with this tongue in the mouth and 436 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,400 Maybe I would think maybe he would know who it looks like more than anybody else 437 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:54,080 Okay, so then maybe there's some maybe there's some theory here that we can really latch on to you had to swap the dick 438 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,360 Yeah, is that technology really in their in their ability? I don't know. Can you just like pop them off? 439 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,360 Yeah, well, I think it's more like a mr. Potato head situation 440 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,800 Same concept. Yeah, but there's the stem, right? Yeah the alignment step 441 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,400 Don't don't all penises have an alignment stem penises are just an alignment stem 442 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:20,160 But that's the other direction. Um, I you know, I stand 443 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:26,320 With uh degloving. I think that's the way they did it. That's the way they did facial technology. Yeah 444 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,760 Uh, that way you build like a little like jelly prosthetic that you apply over it 445 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,560 You just slide it down you reverse banana that peel but I imagine the skin hasn't really healed on yet 446 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,360 So when he's having sex with his wife 447 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,600 There's a chance that the glove could just slide off the stem. Yeah, he probably 448 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,320 The rawest of dogs. I don't think castor troy would bother holding on to it 449 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,600 He'd let it slide around in there. That might be a little extra for him 450 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,280 The other theory I came up with and maybe this is you know more accurate 451 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,360 Maybe she did think there was something weird with the dick 452 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,080 But then he did declare he can eat a peach for hours 453 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,960 You get a lot of leeway if you can eat a peach for hours. Yeah 454 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,760 Oh, maybe maybe they didn't dick down. He just like you know that 455 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,480 Never done that. Oh, yeah 456 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,680 He doesn't do mouth stuff. He's like superman 457 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,520 Who said that again? I can't remember some asshole. Yeah 458 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,160 Was it pitbull? No 459 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,320 The rock no, it was no I think it was no it's batman doesn't do that. Oh batman doesn't go down 460 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,680 Yeah, superman goes down. He just looks at your body with his vision 461 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:39,040 uses his lasers to do what he wants just like I don't really want to touch it but 462 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:42,720 a burning sensation 463 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,800 Just like the ultimate voyeur. Yeah, oh, yeah, you're right batman doesn't go down. Yeah 464 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,880 Coward not with all that gear on it's just like 465 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,960 The mouth is free the mouth is literally the most accessible part of him. It is true 466 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,240 I feel like ghostwriter would but i'm terrified of that 467 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:04,400 At night yeah at night or during the day like which does yeah, right? 468 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,480 He's like putting jelly beans in there or he's like 469 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,600 using that chain 470 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:18,160 So yeah, jimmy, what did you think of this? I mean you watched it as a youth right? You know, I'm like, you know 471 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:23,920 Because it was the 90s the technology seemed way more advanced when you're watching the movie 472 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:30,000 You're like, oh wow, like this this is like what facelifts are gonna be like in the future like 473 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,280 They're gonna be able to like give me like crazy apps 474 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,280 Like what's it gonna be and then like watching it because this is also, you know 475 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,600 Like it's like when you play an old video game in like 2023 as we're currently in 476 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,960 It's like oh the graphics are not what I remember 477 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,560 They were so cool. I was like, oh my god 478 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:55,520 It's like oh the graphics are not what I remember like they were so cutting edge or cutting face 479 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,760 in that movie 480 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,760 That now I was like, oh, okay like it, you know, it's still fine, but it just like the logic seemed 481 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:10,400 I thought the movie was a comedy and basically I was just saying everything felt kind of goofy. It felt like this like 482 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,440 Comedy that didn't know it was a comedy. Yeah, it's definitely got that action comedy 483 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:21,040 vibe even just like that opening at the chair of the choir singing and he's like 484 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,720 Right, right. He's doing his like little gestural dance. How was that? 485 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:32,320 Not a red flag for everybody in the area too. Do you not follow what the catholic church gets up to? 486 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,320 Yeah, have you not met horny priests? 487 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,520 You know, I haven't been allowed in church in a while. That's true 488 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,960 I guess what should have alerted everyone else was he was assault sexually assaulting a woman instead of a boy 489 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:48,800 Mm. Take that catholic church. Come on our podcast. Come on engage. I think they've been coming on enough 490 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,440 Oh 491 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,760 The spotlight is on them 492 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,400 Oh you fucking boo my joke, but you're like sean come on here every other week 493 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,040 This was my idea. I get a pass 494 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,880 Yeah, he's he's very creepy like just from the onset and you're kind of like, okay 495 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,880 How's nobody paying attention to this guy? 496 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:16,160 They're like mid song. He's like all up on these and if it's a girl, he's all up on somebody. There's somebody he's 497 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:22,400 Basically groping whatever what were john woo's like American movies. There was this there was 498 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,960 Well, there was the wind talkers wind talkers 499 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,760 Oh mission impossible two mission 500 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:34,240 That's right. This time that one was the worst mission. It was a terrible movie. Yeah, but on the the the woo 501 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:41,200 Woo, like overlap stuff so many one of the things that I was really kind of blown away by in this movie is how many people? 502 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,600 Cage has worked with again from this 503 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,320 Joan allen as his wife in this and in left behind 504 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,240 Chris bauer who was dubov the guy in the prison whose 505 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,560 Wife got fucked by whatever. He was the machine in eight millimeter 506 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,080 Nick cassavetes, which was detrick the like drug guy who gets shot in the neck and dies 507 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:07,840 He was psycho and prisoners of the ghost land harvey prinell is uh the director of the fbi 508 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,120 And he was the father-in-law in the family man 509 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:17,360 Colm fiori was dr. Walsh who gets killed in this and he was the doctor in city of angels 510 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,760 John carol lynch was the shitty prison guard and he was in gotten 60 seconds 511 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,100 Tom jane was in uss indianapolis. Gina gershon was an inconceivable 512 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:32,820 And then yeah woo and cage teamed up again in windtalkers. It's like that's a fuckload of people that he's overlapped with 513 00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:35,460 in one weird movie from 1997 514 00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:39,460 Before I don't think him and joan allen have any uh scenes together in 515 00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:45,140 Before she gets raptured. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think they do either, but no that I mean, it's really interesting 516 00:38:45,380 --> 00:38:50,660 That's part of what this podcast is is how much this man fucking works. What is the movie that she gets raptured in? 517 00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:53,140 Left behind. Oh 518 00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:59,060 Oh, no, I know of it. Okay. Yeah, it's of that book series. You were joking but no 519 00:38:59,620 --> 00:39:03,220 Literally left behind. I see now a literal rapture. Okay 520 00:39:05,540 --> 00:39:10,740 So she's in like five minutes of that movie and then gets she's taking a shower it just disappears and there's like a necklace 521 00:39:10,820 --> 00:39:12,820 left in the running shower 522 00:39:14,180 --> 00:39:18,580 How how do people feel about this film like jimmy how do you where do you rate this 523 00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:21,940 Did you enjoy this? Uh the process of watching this film? 524 00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:29,060 I found myself like um, well, it's funny. I mean if we go back to just what the story is of them swapping 525 00:39:29,780 --> 00:39:35,940 Not to spaces but identity is to try to like blend into each other's uh personal lives and working work environments 526 00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:38,900 I found myself um 527 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,500 Initially like man i'm watching trivolta way more in this like I don't know why but like 528 00:39:46,820 --> 00:39:50,420 I'm identifying with his acting choices and then when he becomes um 529 00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:53,700 Um, oh my gosh, i'm sorry castor droid 530 00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:57,300 Yes, you whatever you just said when he becomes 531 00:39:58,340 --> 00:40:00,340 He becomes our good guy 532 00:40:00,820 --> 00:40:01,700 um 533 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,700 Our yeah our bad guy 534 00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:11,460 When they when they make the swap I actually then notice cage's acting choices more 535 00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:18,100 Um, which was actually pretty cool because initially i'm like, oh my god, this character is so too much for me 536 00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:24,260 And I don't know what i'm gonna think about this but about 30 minutes into the movie. There's like for me 537 00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:26,340 There's like a big switch from like the 538 00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:30,340 I don't know the initial onset of this like goofy villain like 539 00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:35,700 We but we see trivolta now become like quote unquote the goofy villain, but like his 540 00:40:36,260 --> 00:40:40,100 Approach at it is really cool for me and then to see cage 541 00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:43,140 Now have to embody like the good guy which 542 00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:46,740 After watching the film reading like the big thing about this movie 543 00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:52,900 Was that during that time period nicholas had only been good guys. This is actually more the character 544 00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:56,340 He typically identifies with but I don't have that um 545 00:40:56,820 --> 00:41:00,740 Experience with him in my memory at least and so I actually 546 00:41:01,780 --> 00:41:03,780 It's like I don't love the story 547 00:41:04,260 --> 00:41:06,980 But I enjoyed both of their acting 548 00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:11,620 The more the story went on but the story like is so ridiculous 549 00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:15,620 I just there's like so many moments where i'm like, okay when when 550 00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:19,780 John trivolta becomes our bad guy or when john trivolta is now bad 551 00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:22,420 I'm gonna have to just say it like that 552 00:41:22,420 --> 00:41:25,780 When he becomes when he's bad I follow the bone 553 00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:32,260 And he's in his office and he grabs his assistant's ass and she's like like kind of like 554 00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:39,780 Caught off guard but like am I into this like what was that like new dynamic in the workspace like 555 00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,060 That was so strange. Is it promotion week already? 556 00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:46,340 Right. I'm like, okay. This is the 90s. Like what are they trying to say? 557 00:41:47,780 --> 00:41:54,100 But his acting and that I basically start loving their acting choices after that 558 00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:58,340 Because they both have to be the very opposite of what they've been portraying thus far 559 00:41:58,340 --> 00:42:01,620 I guess you can get out but so I don't know if you saw this in any like 560 00:42:01,940 --> 00:42:08,980 Research you've done for this film that trivolta and cage spent like a week just hanging out together to learn each other's mannerisms to play each other 561 00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:11,780 So, you know, I think it's like 562 00:42:11,780 --> 00:42:17,020 And so another thing that people often don't want to know either while seeingmosts of this passion to 563 00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:22,180 Think about how far trivolta was really going, you know, I've sat on a small table with Bia 564 00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:24,180 I mean, so is trivolta still going? 565 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,640 Step down, step down, step down 566 00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:31,600 Sabato 567 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,600 Yeah, it's still going 568 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,400 Yeah 569 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,440 like crazy villain to like, 570 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,840 I'm not the bad guy that you think I am. 571 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,400 Or like, you know, cage being cage, 572 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,520 whoever he is at the next point, 573 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,520 I appreciate the mellow cage after such a heightened cage. 574 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,440 Story-wise, I'm like, this is all over the place. 575 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,520 But I think that actually, 576 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,840 when I read about it afterwards as well, 577 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,640 like people really liked the risks the movie took 578 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,960 in comparison to everything else that came out. 579 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,120 And that was sort of the big reaction I feel like 580 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:18,120 I ended up having when watching Ghost Rider afterwards. 581 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,960 It's like, oh wow, like this movie feels so unsafe 582 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,200 in comparison to something that feels so like placid 583 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,900 or like even tempered the entire time, 584 00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,000 like that I can predict everything. 585 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000 Where like there are moments in, 586 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,720 there's sharks, there's LL Cool J. 587 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:37,120 Oh, Deep Blue Sea. 588 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,880 Yeah, like there's moments of face-off 589 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,000 that remind me of Deep Blue Sea 590 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,360 where it's just a little ridiculous, 591 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,960 but like at least I'm still engaged 592 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,920 and I like wanna stay like committed 593 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,160 to watching the whole time, 594 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,680 which is not my experience with Ghost Rider. 595 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,900 So like this was, in that sense, 596 00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:56,880 it was like a better movie 597 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,440 because at least I was like drawn in. 598 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,360 I think before we get into the final question, 599 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,000 I do have one other question about this movie 600 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,240 that I wanna ask. 601 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,760 Does anyone else find it weird that Sean Archer decides 602 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,560 to like adopt a child who will inevitably grow up 603 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,760 to look like the man who murdered their son? 604 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,560 I've never liked that part of the plot 605 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,340 and I forgot about it again 606 00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:19,760 and I hate that you brought it back up. 607 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,320 They removed that after audiences hated it 608 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,520 and then they put it back for the final cut. 609 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,880 Just like the penises. 610 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,080 Just why? 611 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,560 Yeah, it's terrible. 612 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:33,400 Here's your new brother 613 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,120 and then she just fucking facepalms. 614 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:41,040 I respect almost every choice that this movie makes. 615 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,640 I do not like the face touching. 616 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,800 It's just so dumb and forced. 617 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,160 And everyone doing it. 618 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,140 Yeah, and I do not like little boy returnal, 619 00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:56,300 but I like the gunfight in the church. 620 00:44:56,300 --> 00:44:58,240 That was a great gunfight. 621 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:03,240 I like the combination car and airplane chase 622 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:06,120 because that's always awesome. 623 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,660 I love a boat chase and this has a sick boat chase 624 00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:13,060 even with like jumps and stuff in it. 625 00:45:13,060 --> 00:45:14,400 That's good. 626 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,680 It's got prison fights. 627 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,520 I don't know. 628 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,520 I like the prison fight. 629 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,920 They just kinda look, yeah. 630 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,680 They just sorta looked around and they're like, 631 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,000 these are all cool things. 632 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,840 These are cool things that make movies cooler. 633 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,400 And then there's just the stupid attempt 634 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,560 at making an emotional climax. 635 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,240 We do have one update from the last time 636 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:37,800 we talked about this movie to now. 637 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:38,960 Oh. How? 638 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,480 We've suffered for five days. 639 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,560 We no longer have to say Danny Masterson's 640 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,000 an accused rapist. 641 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,840 Oh, that's true. 642 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:45,880 He's a fucker. 643 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,280 Oh my God, I forgot about this. 644 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,000 That's an aged scene. 645 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,840 Terribly. 646 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,880 I do regret that there isn't an extended scene 647 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,660 of the daughter just flipping around 648 00:45:57,660 --> 00:46:00,560 and being really good with the butterfly knife. 649 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,420 All she did was practice for three weeks straight. 650 00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:06,440 And it would only be a cut of the hand 651 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,760 and it would be somebody else's hand, 652 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,880 doing all the flips and flicks. 653 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,200 Somebody with hairy knuckles. 654 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,040 Yeah. 655 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:14,880 You know what? 656 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,960 We can edit that scene from Kick Ass into this movie 657 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,560 and give you what you want. 658 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,400 Yeah. 659 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,280 Just flip it around and then when it gets 660 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,540 to the end of the cut, you just run it back in reverse. 661 00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:26,920 So it's really long. 662 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,640 So we know like, oh yeah, that is the daughter's 663 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:30,840 really hairy fist. 664 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,560 She got it from her dad. 665 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:41,160 So in terms of this film, where do we put Cage in this film? 666 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,560 Yeah, Venn diagram. 667 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,960 What's our scale? 668 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:44,840 Good and bad. 669 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,200 Yeah, scale is too complicated, Jimmy. 670 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,600 You know, it's like, I don't know if I still 671 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,400 don't know if I like Nicolas Cage. 672 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,240 But to get to see both of them opposite each other 673 00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,280 and both have to play two characters, 674 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,800 I did end up enjoying the ridiculousness 675 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,720 and the like good guy portrayal from Cage. 676 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:12,240 And then I just, I'm still like, I 677 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,880 feel like I need to watch it a third time 678 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,440 so I can still wrap my head around what smorgasbord 679 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,040 of a story I just watched. 680 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,080 Like, there's like the big beats. 681 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,040 Like, OK, like in everyone's favorite beat, 682 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,320 bringing the child at the end. 683 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,400 I would love to beat that child. 684 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,800 Oh my god. 685 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,480 Oh, come on. 686 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,960 Whoa, we didn't even do good child, bad child. 687 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,960 That's a bad child. 688 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,280 That's a bad kid. 689 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,280 Out of here. 690 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,280 All right, so where do you guys put this one 691 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,560 on re-watching Face Off? 692 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,760 I am not. 693 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,480 This movie has its highs, but between them 694 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,840 is a lot of nothing. 695 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,280 Like, it's got great scenes with a lot of just, 696 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,120 it's a John Woo film. 697 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:59,600 It's a long film with great action and a lot of artsy, 698 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,400 this is interesting, but not a great film it makes. 699 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:09,800 It's a razor thin plot, but it's all action. 700 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,880 And it's an action movie. 701 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,760 It still has good laughs. 702 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,480 I think it's a good good for me. 703 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,440 I like this movie. 704 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,520 I really enjoy Nick Cage's performance in it. 705 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,680 I like how much scenery is chewed in this film. 706 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,360 I don't like the movie. 707 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,440 So Jimmy, I think I know the answer, 708 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,240 but if you could pick and your vote doesn't really matter, 709 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:34,560 what would you pick to move forward between these two? 710 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:40,560 It's probably the one I like the least, like objectively. 711 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,320 Or no, no, no, was that the right word? 712 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,400 Like the one I artistically don't like? 713 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,600 Yeah, it's probably Face Off. 714 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,760 It's got to be. 715 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,040 Well, action wise, action wise, it's got to be this one. 716 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,160 I think Face Off. 717 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,400 I almost feel like there's not enough action in Dose Rider. 718 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,360 That's fair. 719 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,920 I don't remember much action. 720 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,320 All the fight scenes are very short. 721 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,000 Flamy driving or flamy riding. 722 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,960 It's all CG. 723 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,800 Sean, what do you think? 724 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,640 When you put it that way, when you put it down 725 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,560 to what's the better action film, 726 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,720 it is definitely Face Off. 727 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:22,120 I personally enjoy the stupidity of Ghost Rider more, 728 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,400 and I can like sit back and turn my brain off more. 729 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,920 Whereas when I watch Face Off, I have so many questions 730 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,320 about choices in the story. 731 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,400 And I am less engaged with Face Off because 732 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,360 of the script and choices. 733 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,440 But in terms of action set pieces and action film, 734 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,640 it is the better choice. 735 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,480 And it is the better performance. 736 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,040 And I've maneuvered this perfectly 737 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,840 because I agree with the statements 738 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,720 I forced you all to make. 739 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,160 It is the better movie. 740 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,080 Mastercraft. 741 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,200 Yeah, I've been working on this. 742 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,320 Ever since Primal? 743 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,160 Yeah. 744 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,160 No, you got primal. 745 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:01,880 Krewit Jack. 746 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,960 Can I ask which one's more memorable to people? 747 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:05,800 I don't know. 748 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,480 I do the weird dumb point thing so much more 749 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,280 than I do the face thing. 750 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,120 Well, if you started doing the face thing, 751 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,280 the podcast would be over. 752 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,840 We would not do it anymore. 753 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,400 Also, we're all glasses wearers. 754 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,240 I put up with a lot of shit from you, 755 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:22,040 but I'm not going to put up with the face thing. 756 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:22,840 OK. 757 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:23,440 Yeah. 758 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,280 That was episode one of season two. 759 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:25,880 Nice work. 760 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:26,400 Yeah. 761 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,720 I feel like we came to the correct choice. 762 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:29,760 Thank you, Jimmy. 763 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,080 Thanks for having me. 764 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,320 Now I'm going to go watch Spirit of Vengeance. 765 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,000 You should. 766 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,440 It's a lark. 767 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,040 It's got Idris Elba in it, doing a terrible French accent. 768 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,160 Yeah. 769 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,960 You got anything you want to pitch or sell to our listeners? 770 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,480 Yeah, where can we find you? 771 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,720 Yeah. 772 00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:52,000 You can find me on only, no, you can find me on, 773 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,520 find me on, what's the popular one? 774 00:50:54,520 --> 00:51:00,360 Instagram, J-I-M-M-I-E underscore H-E-R-R-O-D, 775 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,400 where I occasionally post. 776 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,760 And I'm playing shows all over. 777 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,960 I should be playing some shows in Washington in January, 778 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,040 I believe. 779 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,720 We're international, though, Jimmy. 780 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:13,240 Yeah. 781 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:14,440 We've got fans everywhere. 782 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,880 Hey, we reached top 25 in Germany for movie review podcasts 783 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,880 at one point. 784 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,880 Like David Hasselhoff before us. 785 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,480 Yeah, exactly. 786 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,800 But then I think my scathing review of Wings of Desire. 787 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:27,840 That fucked everything up. 788 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:28,640 It did. 789 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:29,960 Fuck. 790 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,960 All right, go ahead, Jimmy. 791 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,600 No, that's, I mean, I'm bouncing all over. 792 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:37,800 That sounded specific. 793 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,000 Yeah, I'm doing stuff all over the place. 794 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,280 So if you go on there, you'll see 795 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,360 whatever I've got going on. 796 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,680 But thanks for having me. 797 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,040 Thank you all for listening. 798 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,640 Please rate, review, subscribe. 799 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,720 Thanks for coming back for season two. 800 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:53,960 You can chat with us on Instagram at cage underscore 801 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,720 match underscore pod and Reddit at cage match pod. 802 00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:01,240 We're also on blue sky now because I gave myself an invite. 803 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:02,240 But I don't blue sky. 804 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,280 It's the new Twitter. 805 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,040 Oh, yeah. 806 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,520 Wait. 807 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,560 Oh, is it not anymore? 808 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,320 No, no, it's something else. 809 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,560 Yeah, it's the like Twitter. 810 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,840 Yeah, John, Josh, Josh, Dory, the creator of Twitter created 811 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:17,680 blue sky. 812 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:18,520 Jack Dorsey. 813 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,440 Jack, you're getting there. 814 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,200 You were close. 815 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,000 Xander cage. 816 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,040 Yeah. 817 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,560 So we're on that too. 818 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,920 I can't remember how you actually give people information 819 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,480 on how you can connect on that thing. 820 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,120 So find out. 821 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,040 Figure it out. 822 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,800 If you're on blue sky, which most of you aren't. 823 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:33,560 Right. 824 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,080 And if you are interested in supporting us, 825 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,360 we are on Patreon at cage match. 826 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,800 And thank you to our Sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, 827 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,160 Josie, Rico, Matt, and Adam and our cage dancers, Ira, John, 828 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,640 Freeman, and Lance. 829 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:50,040 I still notice Meredith hasn't joined any of these tiers. 830 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,000 Yeah. 831 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,200 Mm. 832 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:53,920 Stay strong. 833 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,200 Don't give us your money. 834 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,040 Yeah, we don't need it anymore. 835 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,240 We got these nice microphones. 836 00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:57,680 True. 837 00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:58,000 Yeah. 838 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,200 How do you like this mouth noises, Meredith? 839 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,640 Nom, nom, nom. 840 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,720 Ugh. 841 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:03,520 Gross. 842 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,120 Also, keep this in because I'm going to text them like, hey, 843 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,240 we started our second season. 844 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,760 I want you to give me feedback on the new microphone. 845 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:11,840 And mouth noises. 846 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:12,760 And mouth noises. 847 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:13,400 Yeah. 848 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,680 They understand. 849 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,560 Oh, don't do that. 850 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,000 I've been practicing. 851 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:19,760 I can tell. 852 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,160 That was actually much better. 853 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,680 Right back to disappointment. 854 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,760 I'm fucking going home. 855 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:26,640 Bye bye. 856 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,160 Bye bye. 857 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:27,680 Bye bye. 858 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:39,560 OK. 859 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:40,080 Yeah. 860 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:40,580 Yeah. 861 00:53:40,580 --> 00:53:42,680 We're professionals. 862 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,640 Season two, baby. 863 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,640 The bar has been lowered. 864 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,640 Better equipment, worse show. 865 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,160 I mean, now you hear all our mouth noises. 866 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:52,960 All of them. 867 00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,160 Thank you for being on. 868 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,320 Yeah, it was a real pleasure. 869 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,840 I got to ask you to explain how, when I asked you 870 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,840 how to pronounce your name, what you texted me. 871 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,040 Can you run through that? 872 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,840 Because that is fucking hilarious. 873 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,560 Yeah, just my last name. 874 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,520 No. 875 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,880 People ask me how to pronounce my last name. 876 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,520 Because I think it's not a hybrid intentionally, 877 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,440 but it is a mix of two spellings of the same name. 878 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,760 You have the king who kills his children in the Bible, King 879 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,600 Herod. 880 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,240 And then you've got the department store in Britain, 881 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:34,320 which is like H-A-R-R-O-D. And my name is H-E-R-R-O-D. 882 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,220 And so I always say her rod, girl with a rod. 883 00:54:38,220 --> 00:54:40,800 And then I was like, just in case there's confusion 884 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,160 about how to say Jimmy or Jai Mai or whatever, 885 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,680 I said the J-I is like the sound in jizz. 886 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,240 And then the M-M-I-E is like in me. 887 00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:59,000 And that is what my AGT following wants to hear. 888 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,040 That's so perfect. 889 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,200 Thank you so much for that. 890 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:01,800 God damn it. 891 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,360 That's just a mental image of saying like fucking peg me. 892 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,220 Yeah.