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Oh, God. Oh, my God.

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It's frosty, frosty, frosty, frosty, frosty.

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I don't know what you're into.

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You know, we talked about the corpses don't have to consent.

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That's true. Oh, no, I'm not.

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I'm not here. I've never been here to yuck anyone's young.

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But after this week, there are some yums I want yucked.

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And what about a battery operated vagina?

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I think it's my quote.

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Now, OK, I guess we're talking about first.

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Bad lieutenant. All right.

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Good. Right out the gate with the weirdo Herzog.

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I'd rather end with snuff anyway.

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So I mean, it feels like a natural ending.

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That is not that is not something to watch at three

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thirty in the morning when you can't sleep.

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No, it's not something that you can watch at like eight at night either.

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When you are trying to watch a Nicholas Cage movie.

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Yeah, this is a weird week, y'all.

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By the way, Val Kilmer. Happy to see him.

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I got a love of Val Kilmer drop in.

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Yeah. Pretty small role.

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Small role. I like when he still gets to be wacky.

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But I do like that this is the beginning of like Doe Val Kilmer. Yeah.

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Did you ever watch Kiss Kiss Bang Bang?

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I love that movie.

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I love it. And rules.

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My favorite part.

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My favorite part in that is Robert Downey, Jr.

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is like, how did you get away?

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He's like, I shot him with a gun, a tiny, tiny revolver.

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I keep it near my balls.

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It's a great movie.

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It's a great movie, but it's too realistic for her.

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I guess I don't know.

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And like Abraham Lincoln walks in at one point anyway.

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Yeah, it's crazy.

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This is not the time for a fake segue.

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Had any like been on their podcast about Kiss Kiss Bang Bang?

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It's fine.

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I guess it's better and more relatable to me than a burn notice podcast.

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Oh, but either way, welcome back to cage match,

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calling a roundabout way of meeting Nicholas Cage, motherfucker.

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We got there. Oh, beautiful.

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That was a power play.

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That was amazing.

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My name is Nick.

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I'm your host with the most.

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And I'm joined here with with our other guy, Sean.

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It's Sean. Yep.

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And our producer, Peter. Hello.

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And today's guest, Josh.

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Hey, everybody.

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I am on this podcast talking about eight millimeter

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and Port of Call New Orleans, and my wife is getting ready to teach our youth.

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What the hell is wrong?

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I mean, arguably, you're also teaching our youth right now.

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So thank you for doing your service. That's cool.

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I really appreciate you guys picking up the slack here

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because I cannot follow any of this conversation.

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Yeah, you know, it's going to make Peter's life

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a living hell for the next week or whatever.

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It's been over a year or so.

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And yeah, no change.

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So, Josh, I want to ask you some questions.

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What which movie brought you here?

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Please tell me there's just one, because if you're here

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to like advocate for both movies, I really got questions.

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Also, if you're here to advocate for specifically one movie, I have questions.

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Which one do you feel strongest about?

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And which one are we going to judge you about?

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There's no correct answer.

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There is no correct answer about the strength of feeling

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for either of them.

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But the one that actually brought me here is Bad Lieutenant, Colin

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Port of Call, Semi-Colon, et cetera, et cetera.

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New Orleans. Right. Yeah.

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Parenthesis not a sequel.

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Yeah, not a sequel, nor is it a remake,

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mostly because I watched a lot of Herzog films.

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I took a Verner Herzog in documentary course in college and everything.

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And I know I.

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La la college boy.

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And I know it's ridiculous.

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But yeah, that was the one I was like, OK, that is a that is a weird

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fucking movie that's going to be interesting to talk about.

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Little did I know it was going to be in the serious bracket, but that's OK.

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Yeah, that's the one that that brought me.

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Now, Peter was working with what information he had.

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Yeah, I was also basically having a fever dream at that point.

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I had watched so many fucking trailers and was just sort of like

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grasping at straws on how to categorize all these things based on vibes

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from like marketing companies.

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Not the best.

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Yeah, you can't you can't.

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Well, and also with Verner Herzog movies, you can't really

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you can't really market them.

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They're almost unmarketable.

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But when you were having that fever dream, what sort of reptiles did you see?

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Oh, all of them.

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OK, all the best ones at least.

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Iguanas mostly the one that was not an iguana, not a iguana.

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Iguanas, not iguanas.

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There was a crocodile.

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There was a crocodile.

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That would be a gator.

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Yeah, it would have been a gator.

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It's awfully hot up.

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So this is the first film we've watched that has come to us in with iguana vision.

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Yes. Yes, the guanavision, which is like shitty, shitty, like

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it's like a technical, shitty technical like filmed on a camcorder.

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I level leave how long it guanavision went on.

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Oh, man. What was your favorite iguana vision?

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Was there more than one?

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There's two iguanavisions plus there's a gator vision.

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There's a gator vision.

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I remember gator vision. I liked gator vision, actually.

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Yeah, gator vision was pretty good in the ditch.

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Yeah, after like just looking longingly at its buddy

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who's been run over on the freeway.

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You're still twitching. Yeah, twitching.

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After for a while, it goes up.

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Holy shit. Yeah, it wasn't expecting her.

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I wasn't expecting that much of her either.

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Hey, that's true.

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Just saying I was like, wait, hold on.

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Oh, yeah.

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Don't get me wrong.

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I enjoy I enjoy mostly naked lady in boots, but you have to take everything else.

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You have to take the boots off before you take everything else off

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and put the boots back on.

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It seems like a lot of work.

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Well, he slapped the boots and was like,

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no, I know. I'm just saying it's I mean, there's some setup that's required.

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He was so fucking drugged out in that scene.

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It's just like, he wouldn't care.

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Like she's got all the time in the world to change.

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I mean, he didn't because he all he wanted was her to steal drugs for him.

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Yeah, I did appreciate the the the effort, though.

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I mean, like a for effort.

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Yeah, it really left me kind of B for boots.

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Like everything else in these movies,

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it just kind of left me feeling confused and a little bit aroused.

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Yeah, yeah, that's about right.

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Yeah, we're also talking about eight millimeter this week, so just fucking strap

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in confused and strap on.

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Oh, oh, so Port of Call New Orleans is about

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Terrence McDonough, Nicholas Cage's character.

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He starts off as an officer.

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Showing the city cop, the shitty detective, the level under lieutenant

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and sub lieutenant, and he's hanging out with Val Kilmer.

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There's a prison prisoner that's drowning in

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dirty river water post Katrina.

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Stevie Pruitt is Stevie Pruitt.

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You got the cast.

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He's got like three scenes and he's kind of a dick.

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Spoiler alert exhibits in this.

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Anyway, anyway, you know, dog, I heard you like dogs, dog.

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I heard you had your dad's dog, dog. Anyway.

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So Cajun Kilmer hanging out.

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There's a prisoner trying to drown or not trying to drown, but actually

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they really fuck up his trying to drown.

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Yeah, he was like, just leave me with these fucking snakes in the water.

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And so like they're taking bets on on his

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whether he's going to die or whatever, like time of death and everything.

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And then Nick Cage just starts stripping off his shoes

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after he lets us know that he's wearing fifty five dollar boxers.

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And he jumps in to save the prisoner cut to he gets awarded,

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promoted to lieutenant, but he also fucked himself up.

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I have to imagine there were stairs like a not far from there.

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Oh, yeah. And he landed right on him.

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And it turned him into like this twisted little man.

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Yeah, some weird like crippled quasi moto.

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Yeah, exactly. He had like crippled or quasi mode.

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I love that word.

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Crippled or crippled or?

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Yeah, let's all keep saying it.

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So there's no chance of Peter editing this out.

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Now, that's it.

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If you get it in triplet, I can't get it out of that.

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That's why I like the devil.

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Hold on, boys. One, two, three. Crippled.

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In triple kit. What am I going to do?

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There you go. You crippled her.

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I hardly knew her. Come at me, government.

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I thought we were talking about eight millimeter now. Oh, God.

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Anyway, so yeah, he he he gets promoted.

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After seeing the doctor, they give him a prescription for like FICOTIN.

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And apparently he's going to be on it the rest of his life,

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according to the doctor, because that's how that works.

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It's weird that they promoted him to the role of bad lieutenant.

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It's really weird.

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But I mean, like, you wouldn't have a movie otherwise.

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And then everyone was then everyone was said that he was such a dick bag.

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Yeah, it's like, no, you made him bad lieutenant.

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Like, what are you going to do?

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I mean, like he understood the assignment clearly.

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Port of Call Still, New Orleans.

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So who else is in this?

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Eva Mendez, AKA Franky,

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who also is married to Ken in real life.

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And they have kids. Ryan Gosling.

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Oh, I don't know. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. In fact, Ryan Gosling's daughter is the one that had the kind all

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that was faced down in the sandbox that convinced him to take the role

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of Ken in the Barbie movie.

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All right.

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You know, Eva Mendez plays Frankie, his girlfriend.

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I will say I did really like their chemistry more in this

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when they were both like playing coked out of their mind than either of them.

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And go straight.

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Oh, my God. Absolutely. Yeah.

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My God. So he gets promoted.

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He develops this habit of doing drugs.

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Wonder what that can.

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I don't know. It's weird.

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It's like it's part of being bad lieutenant.

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Yeah. Here's your gun.

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Here's your overly sized, dirty, hairy gun

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that you're just going to keep in your waistband.

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You got to talk about and your Vicodin.

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What the fuck?

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Why does he just keep it so like cavalierly tucked in his waistband?

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I think it just fall out.

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Yeah. But if he didn't do that, he wouldn't have been able to prove

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that he was a cop by just showing his dick gun.

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What do you call this? What do you call this?

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I kind of wish it was a gun that he kept in his balls.

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Like that would have been so much better. Yeah. Yeah.

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I still contend that the best dick gun is always going to be

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Tom Savini's dick gun from dusk till 100.

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Yeah, that's the best because it is a dick gun.

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What about what about jokers from 1989 Batman

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that just keeps going and going and sorry, I'm hitting the equipment.

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I mean, that is pretty good.

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That is a good one. Yeah.

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Frankie's his girlfriend. He goes to visit Frankie.

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Frankie is a sex worker in New Orleans.

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And there's some specifically what kind of sex worker a prozy.

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Yeah. I believe is what we call 100 percent pro.

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She's a pro. Yeah, she is a pro.

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I mean, you know, she's one of the good ones because she gets the high end

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hotels and yeah, that's true.

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She gets and then she bring her coke uses her cop boyfriend to shake them down.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. System.

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I mean, yeah. I mean, like that until it's not.

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I mean, that's the life of a prostitute.

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It's all good until it's not.

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Are we talking specifically about the fact that it spoiler alert

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at the end of the movie, she winds up pregnant.

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Is that the bad?

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Is that how it breaks bad for her?

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But she gave up all the good stuff just to be pregnant.

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Like she was doing drugs and having fun.

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And now she's not doing drugs and presumably not hoeing herself out.

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She's just pregnant. Yeah.

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Disappointing from cool to family mom in like three scenes.

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It could happen to you.

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I mean, it's the greatest story ever.

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I do. I do want to circle back to the ending there, but we'll get there.

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Circle back to the ending.

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Yeah. So we're logically circle back to it at the end of it.

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So Nick Cage gets assigned to this murder.

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It was a bunch of

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undocumented immigrants from Senegal who were shot execution style.

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And so that is kind of the genesis of the the plot of the movie.

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He's chasing down trying to solve this particular crime.

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Can you do me a favor, Josh?

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When you say plot of the film, do it more sarcastically.

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Oh, you didn't you didn't you didn't hear my quotation marks.

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Could be heavier next time. Yeah.

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OK. The plot of this film, the plot of this film.

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So it sounds like you have opinions, Sean.

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It does sound like you have opinions.

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I'm working off. I'm working off three hours sleep.

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So yes, I have opinions.

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They're mostly about the three of you.

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How much I hate all of you.

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Sarah, Sean could be a bad lieutenant.

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Have we ever thought about that?

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I do have that great hunch.

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You do. You do.

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So he goes through and starts

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investigating that he starts shaking people down.

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He he's actually pretty fucking good at his job, surprisingly.

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For being so fucked up on opioids all the time.

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All the goddamn time.

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Opioids and coke.

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He starts off just taking a bump at the beginning of this film.

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And within 20 minutes, it's just like drooling, hunched, like wreck of a man.

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Yeah. Yeah. No, he he he starts near the top of the roller coaster

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and then it's straight fucking down.

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Yeah. You know, that's what that year gap gives us.

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Right. Between being hurt and he does go insane very quickly in this movie.

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I think that his body chemistry just doesn't work with the painkillers

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he was given. I don't know.

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I don't know. Maybe he was like, oh, he also.

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Mixes him with heroin. He does.

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Yeah, he was real disappointed.

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He was really disappointed.

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Understandably, I've never put heroin up my nose, but

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I can only imagine that you would immediately know the difference

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between that and coke.

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And yeah, it would not be.

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I mean, it's the exact opposite of what you want.

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And then you got to go see your your sex worker girlfriend

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to get coke off of one of her clients.

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Her John's one of her John's through a series of events.

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He finds the only witness to the murder, which is his 15 year old boy

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named Justin shakes down his grandma, who's giving.

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She's supposed to be giving a haircut to the old lady with the oxygen,

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which clearly she's wearing.

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Yeah, she's wearing an old lady wig.

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I think she's just treating the wig.

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It's a feel good for both people.

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So he shakes down the grandma to get to the to get to the witness,

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who loses the witness when he goes to pick up his girlfriend in Mobile, Alabama.

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Was it mobile or Biloxi?

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It was Biloxi. I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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Minute. Let's get the details right on this.

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Mississippi, which shithole are we talking about?

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Alabama towns all sound the same.

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She'd been she'd been roughed up by her.

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John, who has connections, connections.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I got connections. Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah. The best.

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I fucking love that actor.

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I can't remember his name.

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Oh, yeah. He's a he plays the other P.I.

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or whatever in the newer Perry Mason series.

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Oh, OK. Yeah.

333
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Shit. The one on the guy's cool on. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Max. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

335
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So, yeah. Ghosts of Pickles.

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The soon to be defunct streaming service. Yeah.

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Pretty much. Thanks, Zaslav.

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Oh, OK.

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So they lose track of Justin in a sad casino in Biloxi, Mississippi.

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He has to go find him again.

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He's chasing down this kingpin that is named

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Big Fate played by exhibit

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who you might remember from my ride.

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I liked exhibit's performance.

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Oh, yeah. 100 percent. It was great.

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I don't think anyone gave a bad performance on this film.

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Yeah, nobody gave a bad performance in this film.

348
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It was I say that I'm thinking about it.

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I say that Nicolas Cage's performance is good.

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I was going to say, except for Nicolas Cage, Nicolas Cage is pretty bad.

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He performed, though.

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I think badly.

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I think his performance is unhinged.

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Good unhinged.

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I think it's a conceit of hurt, sogginess.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I've never watched a hurt, sogg come before.

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So is this like, oh, you said hurt, sogginess.

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All I heard was hard, sogginess.

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And I'm like, yeah, this is kind of hard, soggy.

361
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You've seen how many describe it as a hard, soggy movie.

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All of those opioids.

363
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Of course, it's a hard, soggy movie.

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I don't think opioids ever left me hard and soggy, mostly like soft and dry.

365
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Oh, really? Oh, he's probably got the coke sweats, too.

366
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Oh, that'll do it.

367
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So he's uppers and downers, a good mix of the two.

368
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Yeah, I know about that. Yeah. Yeah.

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So he's crosswired all the time, which is why he's fucking crazy.

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So eventually he got a name. It's Frankie.

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So eventually Cage gets into some trouble with some mobsters

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who he owes money to through his bookie.

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And it's something like five grand, but they're demanding 50.

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So he decides once he's introduced to big fate,

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who walks into the fucking police station with his lawyer.

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All the criminals in this movie are awful,

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and they all do criminal activities in the police station openly.

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Like his bookie just walks in.

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He's like, Where's my fucking money, dude?

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Like in front of every other detective at the end of the film shows up with like,

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here's all your winnings, dude. It's like, yep.

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And then the guy who like I tried to have him killed walks in like, we're cool.

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Like, I don't know what happened to those guys you killed, but we're cool.

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I think it's less of an indictment on the criminals being bad

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than the police being absolutely garbage.

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I mean, yeah, I mean, both are true.

387
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Both things can be true.

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You've got multiple cops stealing from property rooms.

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Oh, including Michael Shannon.

390
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Yeah, Michael Shannon.

391
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One. Yeah. Yep.

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But yeah, I mean, like, so.

393
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Holy shit, that was Michael Shannon. Yeah. Yeah.

394
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Oh, yeah, that was Michael Shannon.

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Where was I? Oh, yeah. Exhibit.

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So he winds up getting a bunch of

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getting of

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stealing a bunch of drugs when he tells some other cops that the scale is broken.

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He'll weigh it later.

400
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He conveniently it's just enough to cause a felony when he reweighs it on the new scale.

401
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He uses the surplus that he steals from them to form a drug

402
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selling alliance with Big Fate.

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He's trying to get his money back to pay his bookie.

404
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The Italian mobsters show up and they

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want to do a rape, want to do a rape.

406
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They want to take the money and the drugs from Big Fate and from Nick Cage.

407
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Then a firing like a like a shootout happens.

408
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I prefer calling it a firing. That's firing.

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I'm firing you from life.

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A shootout happens.

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And then we get to see a soul dance.

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And then we get to see a soul dance.

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And then the return of a guano vision.

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A return of a guano vision. That's right.

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There's so much a guano vision.

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I have a real big question about the soul dance.

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And why is it that they didn't even bother concealing that the dancing soul had a mohawk?

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Yeah, I don't know.

419
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It's like almost as bad.

420
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Have you ever seen Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park?

421
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, because Ace Fraley.

422
00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:14,800
Ace Freely is his stunt double is black.

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A black dude riding the roller coaster.

424
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And well, you can really see it like when he jumps over a fence

425
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and it's just a black dude's hands. Yes.

426
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Yeah, like 100 percent full ace freely.

427
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Yeah, incredible. Fucking crazy.

428
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It's really not black. No.

429
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No. OK, so no one wants to be freely

430
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wrapping it up quickly.

431
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Nobody wants to be Peter.

432
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Yeah. Yeah. Peter Chris.

433
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Nobody wants to be Peter. Chris is the cat child.

434
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He's the drummer. Yeah. Him and fuck.

435
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Beth, that's a terrible.

436
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I was about to say, let's let's all sing.

437
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Wants to be Peter Stormare, though. Fuck.

438
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Everybody does. Everybody.

439
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And we'll talk about that on the next movie.

440
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Wrapping this up.

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He cage convinces big fate to celebrate with his lucky crack pipe.

442
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What? You don't have a lucky crack pipe.

443
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Amateur has his partner plant that at the scene of the murder

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of the immigrants from from Senegal and arrests big fate.

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Val Kilmer wants to shoot him, kill him right there so he doesn't get away.

446
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But Nick Cage steps in, says, no, you got to do it.

447
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Because of that, he gets to have Frankie pregnant

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with his child and promoted to captain.

449
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Wait, Frank, it was promoted to captain.

450
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Yeah. Or his child was promoted to captain.

451
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,760
No, no. Nick Cage was he gets both of those things.

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He gets a pregnant Frankie and promoted to captain.

453
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I tossed the blu ray and really enjoyed the shit out of it.

454
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Wait, you have the blu ray of this? Oh, yeah.

455
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Oh, does it have that?

456
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This is the one that I sent you that ad from.

457
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Did you guys watch that trailer?

458
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I forgot to. Oh, man.

459
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,520
So my my blu ray has the coolest trailer on it.

460
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And it's for like a service provided by suicide girls.

461
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I knew a suicide girl. Oh, nice.

462
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,920
Well, we're going to get into that

463
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because that's way more important than the rest of this movie.

464
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But yeah, it's just like a three minute trailer of them being like,

465
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join us and we'll teach you all these things that you need to know.

466
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Like how to do your taxes, how to fake an orgasm.

467
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I mean, the two big things.

468
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Yeah. For the people who don't know, suicide girls are just like

469
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cam girls from the 90s.

470
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They like just pranced around like preto cam girls.

471
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Yeah, it was kind of like the early days of showing your vagina

472
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for the Internet to people who pay in live streams.

473
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It was early only fans sometimes buttholes to.

474
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It was a really cool girl named Lindsey

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from Oklahoma City.

476
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This is where I imagine many suicide girls.

477
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Absolutely. Yeah.

478
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She was kind of a badass and way too cool for me.

479
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Shockingly. Oh, my God.

480
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Listen to this guy talk about your friend, Peter's Basement

481
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recording a Nicolas Cage podcast. That's true.

482
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Oh, man.

483
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Come a long way from Broken Bow, Arc and Oklahoma.

484
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You've peaked, my friend.

485
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I don't know.

486
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But yeah, so the funny story about her is her name was Lindsey.

487
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And she told me that when her parents were pregnant,

488
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her mom wanted to name her Stevie after Stevie Nicks.

489
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And her dad said, Fuck that.

490
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No, Stevie's a boy's name.

491
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We're not naming her Stevie.

492
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We're going to name her Lindsey after Lindsey Buckingham,

493
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famously the male guitarist of Fleetwood Mac.

494
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So he named his girl after a boy

495
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because he didn't want to name his girl after the girl with a boy's name.

496
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I always thought that was all tracks fucking incredible.

497
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,500
And I was like, that's pretty funny.

498
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:51,900
And she laughed about it.

499
00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:54,840
I love that it's still like two from the same band even.

500
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,340
I know. And two from like we both really love Fleetwood Mac.

501
00:22:59,380 --> 00:23:03,780
Yeah. And and it was the two that just like were

502
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,140
constantly constantly going through relationships together.

503
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,520
Yeah. Yeah. Breaking up the band.

504
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,780
Yeah. Not necessarily, but it's pretty much it.

505
00:23:11,780 --> 00:23:13,220
Yeah. Long and short of it.

506
00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:15,120
But yeah, that's the rumor.

507
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,660
Fuck. All right.

508
00:23:17,660 --> 00:23:19,920
What did you guys actually think of this movie?

509
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,900
I my opinion is well known at this point.

510
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,320
I truly enjoyed watching it.

511
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,100
It is absurd.

512
00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:29,120
It's terribly done.

513
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:33,700
It's got awkward insertions of like

514
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:40,480
poorly constructed drug induced dream sequences and like hallucinations.

515
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,580
But it's it's also got parking lot hand jobs.

516
00:23:45,620 --> 00:23:49,220
Oh, or when he like just get back here and you watch what she's doing.

517
00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:50,500
Oh, it wasn't even a hand job.

518
00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:54,260
He was just straight up boning this chick parking lot.

519
00:23:54,260 --> 00:23:59,740
You're forcing this dude to watch it now after he steals their crack and heroin.

520
00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:03,280
That's right. And after she shotguns him with crack.

521
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,140
Yeah. Yeah.

522
00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:08,440
I never thought I'd watch a movie with Nick Cage smoking this much crack,

523
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,040
but I'm glad it happened.

524
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,720
He seems to know how to do it, too.

525
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,660
I will say this film was like we had a lucky crack.

526
00:24:15,220 --> 00:24:16,920
This movie's a ride.

527
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,700
It's fucking it goes in a lot of different places.

528
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,360
I don't think any of them are good, but it was entertaining.

529
00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:27,300
But no, everything about this movie is awful.

530
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:29,400
One of my big notes was this movie's fucking tight.

531
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,940
I loved it. I think it was so stupid and fun.

532
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,140
Yeah, like it was dumb as shit.

533
00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:35,600
And I had a blast.

534
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,080
The cinematography is fucking awful.

535
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,740
Agreed. The direction is awful.

536
00:24:40,780 --> 00:24:44,520
Agreed. Nick Cage is in a rare, rare circumstance.

537
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,160
Fucking awful. Agreed.

538
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,260
You can talk about it all you want.

539
00:24:48,260 --> 00:24:49,320
I don't.

540
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,460
I completely disagree that he was awful.

541
00:24:51,460 --> 00:24:55,000
I think he was fucking fantastic in this in an unhinged,

542
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:57,200
cartoonish sort of way.

543
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,680
But we've seen that in better projects with better Nick Cage.

544
00:25:01,940 --> 00:25:04,380
Nick Cage's performance is a one a.m.

545
00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:06,380
double quarter pounder with cheese. Yeah.

546
00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:07,920
It's not made with love.

547
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,680
It's sloppy as shit.

548
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,520
It's going to get on everything.

549
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,320
But it's still OK.

550
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,780
But you're still not sad about it. Yeah, you're satisfied at the end.

551
00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:18,720
At the end, you get a couple of the jacktots.

552
00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:22,420
At the end, you feel bad about the decisions you've made in the process.

553
00:25:22,420 --> 00:25:26,200
It's not the same as satisfaction.

554
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,600
But I've been doing this wrong.

555
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,400
Should we do quotes before we move on?

556
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,140
Yeah, we should do quotes.

557
00:25:32,140 --> 00:25:36,500
The the shooting shoot him again, his because his soul is still dancing

558
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:40,940
is is the one that is it's the one that all of the reviewers

559
00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:44,180
that gave this widely positive reviews latched on to.

560
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,260
So yeah, my my quote is when he's threatening a little old lady

561
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,360
and then threatening her caretaker because like they're going to blame

562
00:25:53,460 --> 00:25:56,100
the caretaker if the little old lady dies.

563
00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:59,140
We're going on an hour and a half of sleep in the last three days.

564
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,200
I'm trying to remain courteous.

565
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,540
I'm beginning to think that's getting in the way of me being effective.

566
00:26:05,540 --> 00:26:09,940
I thoroughly enjoyed just this conversation with Stevie

567
00:26:09,940 --> 00:26:12,740
about the iguanas when they're on their stakeout.

568
00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:15,340
And it's just Terrence saying.

569
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,720
What are these fucking iguanas doing on my coffee table?

570
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,820
There ain't no iguana.

571
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:23,880
Yeah, there are.

572
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,420
They know iguana.

573
00:26:25,420 --> 00:26:27,480
What the fuck is that?

574
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,360
Fucking iguana.

575
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,160
And just like taps and iguana.

576
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,960
And it cuts to it like a two minute scene of just

577
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,860
iguanas crawling iguanas like

578
00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:39,820
basically singing the song that's in the soundtrack.

579
00:26:39,820 --> 00:26:41,860
I don't it's fucking amazing.

580
00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:44,460
Yeah. And one of them only one of them is an iguana.

581
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:46,100
The other one's like a bearded dragon.

582
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:47,100
The other one's a bearded.

583
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:50,000
Also, Walnick case just stares into the camera.

584
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,780
Yeah. With that, like has like fucking stoned out of his mind smile.

585
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:59,080
Oh, my God. This is I went to art college and this is

586
00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:02,380
this movie is everything I hated about fucking college.

587
00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:05,120
Yeah, you're not going to like any Warner Hurtsock movies.

588
00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:07,160
That is true.

589
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,280
You know, there was this one.

590
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,720
We were talking about how it was shitily directed and everything like that.

591
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,720
I don't necessarily fully agree with that, but I see I see your point.

592
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:18,700
This is a it's not consistent.

593
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:21,660
It's yeah, it's wildly inconsistent.

594
00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:26,040
But there's this one point on set where Nick Cage stops down filming

595
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,000
and asks for a moment of silence so he could make an announcement.

596
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,300
And as soon as everything quiets down, he goes, Ladies and gentlemen,

597
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:36,040
here's a man who knows what he's fucking doing.

598
00:27:36,140 --> 00:27:38,700
And it's because Werner Herzog only shoot sets up

599
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,880
scenes and shots that he knows he's going to use in the film.

600
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,780
And he doesn't set up alternative angles,

601
00:27:43,780 --> 00:27:46,180
so he doesn't have anything else to cut to in edit.

602
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,280
And Nick appreciated the hell out of that, apparently.

603
00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:53,080
It means you get to go home early. Yeah, that's true.

604
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,820
And he he also brought the production to New Orleans

605
00:27:56,820 --> 00:27:59,060
because it was originally supposed to be in New York.

606
00:27:59,060 --> 00:28:00,000
But he booed.

607
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,660
He brought it to New Orleans because that's where the grave site is.

608
00:28:03,660 --> 00:28:06,300
Let me see if I if I get my quotation marks here.

609
00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:10,300
He wanted to help the city out post Katrina.

610
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:13,040
I mean, he doesn't love the city.

611
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,580
He loves the city.

612
00:28:14,580 --> 00:28:18,280
But yeah, I mean, it's also convenient for him because he also has a house there

613
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,980
and a death pyramid that he'll be buried in.

614
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,180
We're going to visit it.

615
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:24,980
Port of Call New York doesn't ring the same to me.

616
00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:26,520
No, it doesn't. Fuck that.

617
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,360
No. Also, how do you insert so many alligators and iguanas in?

618
00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:31,620
It's a good point.

619
00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:35,860
I mean, it would have been the iguanas were purely hallucinatory.

620
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,800
You can hallucinate an iguana fucking anywhere, Nick.

621
00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:43,740
Challenge accepted that that just means like the the iguana vision

622
00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:46,180
is basically super eight millimeter videotape.

623
00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:48,740
Well, you done fucked up because that would have been a great segue.

624
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,740
It's kind of right. Too bad we missed that chance.

625
00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:53,140
Yeah, I was setting it up. I was putting it on a T.

626
00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:58,440
I think the Seattle Super 8 Film Festival was just this last weekend.

627
00:28:58,580 --> 00:29:01,740
And I'm really curious how much snuff they showed there.

628
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:04,920
What did Nick Cage just show up and start randomly walking up

629
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,820
to people asking for snuff?

630
00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:09,560
Because he did a lot of that in the other movie.

631
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,660
Hey, Peter, did I miss a segue? You did.

632
00:29:12,860 --> 00:29:15,760
Eight millimeter

633
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,840
directed by Joel Schumacher of Batman and Robin fame.

634
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Bat nipples.

635
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,340
Oh, shit. I was totally going to bring my Batman McDonald's glasses.

636
00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:27,380
I went down to my parents' house and I.

637
00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:30,780
This is this is the international symbol for glasses. Yeah. Yeah.

638
00:29:31,180 --> 00:29:32,640
I do feel like I do.

639
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,480
I do love the physical comedy that we do on this audio medium.

640
00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:40,920
Sean, I do feel like we missed an opportunity, though, with this episode.

641
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,080
I guess it's not too late.

642
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,200
We should probably co-opt nipples on the bat suit dot com.

643
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,500
I do still own it.

644
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:49,400
You still own it. It's got it. It's got to happen.

645
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,100
You can click one of the nipples to get Apple or Spotify

646
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,940
to leave your recommendations or your reviews, your five star reviews.

647
00:29:57,940 --> 00:30:01,220
I just as like little fingers that as you get closer, they pinch.

648
00:30:02,420 --> 00:30:06,880
All right. Schumacher is one of those directors who is astounding

649
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,920
at like framing and is really good at his job.

650
00:30:10,260 --> 00:30:13,100
And he made the worst Batman movies. Oh, yeah.

651
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:17,840
And that is ultimately what he's remembered for in, I think, our generation.

652
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,980
And I watched this film and it is a hard watch.

653
00:30:20,980 --> 00:30:23,780
And I didn't like 90% of it.

654
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:28,160
I didn't like watching 90% of it, but I admired every aspect of it.

655
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:32,760
I will say like 43 minutes into the movie had this feeling of

656
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,260
this movie is not the fucking train wreck.

657
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:39,260
I was led to believe I don't necessarily like it, but it's not necessarily a.

658
00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:45,140
Or it's a good film that deals with a lot of rough shit

659
00:30:45,140 --> 00:30:47,640
and doesn't shy away from it.

660
00:30:48,020 --> 00:30:52,120
It's an uncomfortable watch up until you just get to the revenge fantasy

661
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,720
at the end. Yeah. And then it's a fucking ride.

662
00:30:55,060 --> 00:30:56,060
Yeah, it's a fucking ride.

663
00:30:56,060 --> 00:30:58,660
Like it all comes loose. It all goes off the rails at that point.

664
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:03,360
So Nick Cage plays a private eye or, you know, an investigator deck.

665
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,240
A private deck. Yeah.

666
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,700
He watches. I told it's private.

667
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,640
Have you met me? Have you watched this movie?

668
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,900
I have, but I haven't met your dick.

669
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:13,700
So that's that's probably a good thing.

670
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:15,800
I've met it once cusp by the moonlight.

671
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:19,640
I like that that's your go to for most dick talk. Just yours.

672
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:22,280
Which is most of your dick talk.

673
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,580
To be fair, I've seen you can't keep Peter's dick out of your mouth.

674
00:31:25,580 --> 00:31:27,460
You just keep talking to me.

675
00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:31,220
It's a good dick. To be fair, especially just on the cusp of the moonlight.

676
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,920
To be fair, of the four of us sitting at this table,

677
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,700
I've seen three of the decks of this table.

678
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:38,860
Oh, wow. So I'm the only private dick.

679
00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:41,860
Also, why do you have your dick miced?

680
00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:44,500
Is it going to is it going to say something? Listen, man. Dick farts.

681
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,940
All right. Moving on. Please continue summarizing.

682
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,800
So we I am Peter's dick.

683
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,700
I am an old French woman.

684
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:57,380
Lousy fat.

685
00:31:58,900 --> 00:31:59,620
Eight millimeter.

686
00:31:59,620 --> 00:32:02,180
So Nick Cage is a private eye.

687
00:32:02,180 --> 00:32:07,320
He watches some sketchy porno at the behest of a client

688
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:13,560
and then goes on an adventure trying to find the porn star.

689
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,840
It's a snuff film, and he's trying to prove that

690
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,640
trying to find out whether or not the film is legit.

691
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,040
Allegedly a snuff film.

692
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,380
Yeah, I saw.

693
00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:24,540
Spoiler, it is.

694
00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:28,780
I saw Josie and Nick at a event the other day and I told them I said,

695
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:31,120
I said, you know, I'm glad I watched eight millimeter

696
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,860
because now I know that I don't like snuff.

697
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:37,660
I'm not going to see enough of the movie to make a firm opinion on that.

698
00:32:37,660 --> 00:32:39,360
So I'm still on the fence.

699
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,060
Just imagine like imagine if you went into this film and came out of it.

700
00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:44,400
The other side, like maybe.

701
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,640
Well, yeah, I mean, this movie had the best cast of like background characters.

702
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,980
It was so colorful because you just get all perverts

703
00:32:54,580 --> 00:32:56,320
who listen to a lot of a fix twin.

704
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,380
Yeah, they really do.

705
00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:59,020
And Danzig.

706
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:00,980
You know, it was a time.

707
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:05,020
Oh, wait, are we talking about Frank Sabatka from that union

708
00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:08,260
season of The Wire? Yes.

709
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:10,960
Yeah, the cast is really good, though.

710
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,440
So you've got Cages, Tom Wells, Joaquin Phoenix's Max California,

711
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:16,940
which is so cool.

712
00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:18,940
Great name and great character.

713
00:33:18,940 --> 00:33:21,300
James Candelphini is Eddie Poole.

714
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,980
Yeah. Peter Stormare is Dino Velvet.

715
00:33:23,980 --> 00:33:25,680
Dino Velvet. Yeah.

716
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,840
Then you've got like Catherine Keener's in there in arguably

717
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,140
the worst performance in this entire.

718
00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:31,880
Oh, we're so fucking flat.

719
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,220
Like they don't give her any business to do.

720
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:38,220
And she just carries that baby around like it's a fucking a sack of groceries

721
00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:42,400
with like the carrots and baguettes sticking out like you see in all of the movies

722
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,760
about going to a grocery store or whatever.

723
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,700
Her role is better than carrying it around like a bowling ball.

724
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,900
By the eyes and mouth.

725
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:54,800
If those are the holes you choose.

726
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,000
Hey, man, it's your baby.

727
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,100
Carry it how you like.

728
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:00,180
Just picking up a child.

729
00:34:00,180 --> 00:34:03,140
Look, man, if we're going to talk about that in any episode,

730
00:34:03,140 --> 00:34:05,020
it's going to be this episode.

731
00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:07,620
Make sure you tape it because there's sickos out there who want to see.

732
00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:10,060
Talk yourself. Talk yourself into a ball shape or else

733
00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:11,780
you're going to hurt your fontanel.

734
00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:13,260
I do.

735
00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:15,100
I just grab your toes.

736
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:16,520
Keep it tight.

737
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,900
Stormare does stand out in this as he does in everything.

738
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,060
When you want greasy, you get herbice.

739
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:26,560
Yeah. And when you want just sick fuck, you get storm air.

740
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,300
I know it doesn't rhyme, but you get what you get.

741
00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:32,080
Absolutely. I mean, this is our triple dip on Stormare, too.

742
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:35,780
Yeah. OK, so we had rage, rage, rage talkers.

743
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:40,380
Yeah, because remember, when talkers, he's the like the sweet sergeant

744
00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:41,520
or the lieutenant or whatever.

745
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,260
That's right. I forgot about when talkers about Peter Stormare.

746
00:34:45,260 --> 00:34:49,620
And do you know, Vincent, Dino Vincent, Dino Velvet, not the actual

747
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,960
like singer or whatever.

748
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,360
Have you all done?

749
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,520
Of course not. I listen to this podcast.

750
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,320
You haven't done this yet.

751
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,940
I would like to ask you all a question.

752
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,840
And the question is this.

753
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,040
That's it. That's a great preamble.

754
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,380
Oh, I'm as good as at preambles as you are at segways.

755
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,540
Oh, so question.

756
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,040
They all get one is it's in the writer is Dino Velvet, the best

757
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,080
character in a Nick Cage movie that is clearly supposed to be a Nick

758
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,520
Cage character not played by Nick Cage.

759
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,460
Mm hmm.

760
00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:28,200
Because if you were to reboot this movie now, remake it.

761
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:31,160
He totally would play Dino Velvet.

762
00:35:31,460 --> 00:35:32,740
Oh, no, he wouldn't.

763
00:35:32,740 --> 00:35:33,960
Yeah, he would.

764
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,140
You don't think he would want to say the line.

765
00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:40,340
You don't want a French has do you steal my secret recipe to my secret

766
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:45,080
sauce? That is a very cagey line.

767
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:49,540
I do kind of think, OK, the only one that I think would maybe be

768
00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:52,620
a contender would be Cyrus the virus.

769
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:54,340
Oh, yeah. OK.

770
00:35:54,340 --> 00:35:58,720
So I was going to go with frozen ground here because

771
00:35:59,420 --> 00:36:01,320
flip the Nicholas Cage.

772
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,060
The director originally wanted Nick Cage to play the serial killer

773
00:36:04,060 --> 00:36:05,820
and Nick Cage didn't want to.

774
00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:10,160
Oh, so when we're talking about playing a creepy pervert,

775
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,040
like I don't I don't see Nick Cage taking on that role.

776
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,600
Yeah, I would I would love to watch him play it.

777
00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:19,080
I don't think Nick Cage is creepy enough.

778
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,000
Shoot him, shoot him in the neck.

779
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,840
Nick, that jugular vein.

780
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,980
No, this is wrong.

781
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:26,420
This is this is bad.

782
00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:28,020
Not like this.

783
00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:30,020
Supposed to die cinematically.

784
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:31,220
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

785
00:36:31,220 --> 00:36:32,760
Which is great.

786
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,280
I don't know. I don't know if I have one.

787
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,960
Maybe it could happen to you.

788
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,920
I'd love to see a role reversal there.

789
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,960
Oh, so he would he would play the waitress.

790
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,960
Yeah. So he would play the Bridget Ponder roll.

791
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,600
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that movie is already so barely actually.

792
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,560
I want him to play the story.

793
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,640
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

794
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,700
Oh, wait, the Rosie Perez. Yeah.

795
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,580
OK, let me see if I can do a Nick Cage

796
00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:57,380
tune Rosie Perez real quick.

797
00:36:57,380 --> 00:36:58,480
This is going to be bad.

798
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,480
Hey, you at least you got melanin.

799
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,680
I'm not going to do it.

800
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,520
Oh, shit.

801
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,980
But yeah, so eight millimeter.

802
00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:09,620
I like the fact that like off the top, we get that sternum bush

803
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:15,200
during the sex scene where he he's he and Catherine Kiener are getting down

804
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,660
and he said, I missed you.

805
00:37:16,660 --> 00:37:18,860
Never say I miss you when you're having sex.

806
00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:22,040
That just it's so sad. So sad.

807
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,400
Their relationship said was he talking to her or her vagina? Yeah.

808
00:37:28,340 --> 00:37:30,340
Yeah. I mean, it's a good question.

809
00:37:30,340 --> 00:37:32,680
Fair point, because I mean, you you.

810
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,880
It's a new, right? I miss the oh, no, you knew.

811
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,740
So sweetie.

812
00:37:35,740 --> 00:37:39,280
And also, is that is that kid's name actually Cinderella?

813
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,160
No, it's Cindy.

814
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,180
But he called her Cinderella.

815
00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:44,860
I mean, but I mean, they never they never clarified.

816
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:47,020
They never clarified it could be Cinderella.

817
00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:49,300
It's not Cinderella. It's a it's a bad name.

818
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:50,300
It has Cinderella.

819
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:54,200
We're talking about a movie made by the man that put nipples on the bat suit.

820
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,200
It's probably Cinderella. Probably Cinderella.

821
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,580
So it seems weird to give her a nickname

822
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:03,600
that is never expressly stated as a nickname.

823
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,040
A lot about this.

824
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,640
Both these movies is weird.

825
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,540
I will say this is weird.

826
00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:09,780
Yeah, both these movies is.

827
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:12,580
This has to be English language. Weird, too.

828
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,180
Again, which one of us is from Oklahoma?

829
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:18,560
I pray I pray movies is weird is probably the best way to sum up this fucking.

830
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,420
I think that should be a T-shirt.

831
00:38:20,420 --> 00:38:22,400
I preempted this by telling you I've been up since three.

832
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,360
There is a fuck all.

833
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:26,560
I got on me.

834
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,400
You got SparkleBuddy on Nick and your computer.

835
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,600
You are a good podcaster.

836
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,460
Oh, yeah.

837
00:38:31,460 --> 00:38:34,340
Everything leaves sticky from this place

838
00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:36,280
one way or another.

839
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,540
I think he's great in this film.

840
00:38:38,540 --> 00:38:41,880
Like he gives it his all.

841
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,520
He is, in my opinion, doing a great job,

842
00:38:46,060 --> 00:38:50,560
but he is getting outshone by Max California.

843
00:38:50,580 --> 00:38:51,060
Oh, yeah.

844
00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:54,060
Max Gallifing, California steals the movie.

845
00:38:54,060 --> 00:38:55,320
Max Gandolfini.

846
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,860
Yeah, Max Gandolfini.

847
00:38:56,860 --> 00:39:00,500
I kind of felt like his performance for the first,

848
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,500
I don't know, hour of it was really subdued and sleepy.

849
00:39:05,740 --> 00:39:09,440
Well, he's not like his character, like doesn't believe any of this is real.

850
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,580
And it's just a job to him and tell us not.

851
00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:13,180
And then it's.

852
00:39:13,180 --> 00:39:17,280
Yeah, he's a normal guy getting thrust into like a very abnormal world.

853
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,780
But like even his like home life, he is fucking sleepy.

854
00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:26,260
Smoking is that the is that the first thing I get when I get home?

855
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,800
You're married.

856
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,900
Yeah, I don't have that type of subdued conversation with my wife, though.

857
00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:34,900
Are you lying to your wife about smoking?

858
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:36,860
No, because I'm allergic to tobacco.

859
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,100
I did not know that.

860
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:43,140
Yeah, that's literally cannot smoke because my lungs are dainty tulips.

861
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,640
You could try boofing one of those zins.

862
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,160
You know, like that entire time that Kavanaugh was

863
00:39:52,820 --> 00:39:55,660
like like going through his congressional hearing, I was like,

864
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,060
that's not the definition of boofing that I know.

865
00:39:59,660 --> 00:40:01,920
Yeah, no, not what I've heard.

866
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,960
I mean, like it does involve the butt somehow.

867
00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:08,700
So this fair topic for this

868
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:12,980
as uncomfortable as I was for watching like two thirds of this movie,

869
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,640
I did think it was a very solid film.

870
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,720
Like it was not nearly the train wreck I thought it would be.

871
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,580
Yeah, that was the surprise for me, too.

872
00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:24,580
I didn't think it was nearly there.

873
00:40:24,580 --> 00:40:28,060
And there's there was a certain point where, you know, film started

874
00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:34,060
at a baseline of good and whether or not, you know, they were really noteworthy

875
00:40:34,060 --> 00:40:38,740
and depended on like, you know, overall performance, writing direction,

876
00:40:38,740 --> 00:40:39,780
et cetera, et cetera.

877
00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:43,540
And now it's just throw a bunch of shit at the wall and everything like that.

878
00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:46,420
So like the overall quality of films that we're seeing now

879
00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:51,460
is less than what was being produced 1999 and earlier.

880
00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:55,460
Yeah, I don't feel like I have the same kind of stakes in movies now.

881
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,820
Yeah. If I had gone to the theater to see this,

882
00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:02,100
that would have been awesome that they let me in because I was a child.

883
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:05,120
But it also would have been awesome

884
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,000
because you would pay like six bucks if that.

885
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,400
So machine is the like actor

886
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,000
person who does the murder in the snot film.

887
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,200
Yeah. When Nick Cage goes to Stormare,

888
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:22,980
he hires him to like do a film.

889
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:24,640
Yeah, he commissions a film. Yeah.

890
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,520
And he goes to this spot.

891
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,780
Isn't that like where the big shootout in Robocop happens?

892
00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:32,420
Is that the same set?

893
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:41,660
They have a similar look, but no, the Robocop set is more industrial.

894
00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:43,760
This is still kind of commercial. OK.

895
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,500
Well, this is a commercial space. Robocop's industrial.

896
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:48,760
Well, Robocop is in Detroit.

897
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,300
So you're going to get a lot of those like super industrial locations for that.

898
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,700
But yeah, it has a very similar vibe.

899
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:57,440
I also don't assume any Peter Weller gets it in the brain pan.

900
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,900
But that's right. Yeah.

901
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:01,440
I love Robocop.

902
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,140
That's a good movie. Let's watch Robocop again.

903
00:42:03,140 --> 00:42:04,320
I would like to watch that.

904
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,540
I didn't like this movie.

905
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:08,180
I think it was executed well.

906
00:42:08,180 --> 00:42:11,480
I think it's a bad choice.

907
00:42:12,820 --> 00:42:14,960
It the writing is pretty good.

908
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,020
Everything about it should work for me.

909
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:19,000
I just I did not enjoy it.

910
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,260
I thought it was rough to watch and it did not bring me any pleasure.

911
00:42:23,260 --> 00:42:24,300
It is a hard watch.

912
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:28,800
It is a this is a I watched this film in 20 minute increments both times.

913
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:30,940
Like I had to stop.

914
00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:36,680
There is a tilt where we get away from murder porn

915
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,080
and we just get into murder.

916
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,820
No, what we get where we get into the straight up just action

917
00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:46,160
like revenge story like murder, murder.

918
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,060
And at that point, it just becomes like a gory action film.

919
00:42:50,060 --> 00:42:55,060
And that's easier to watch than like him just talking to perverts

920
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:58,460
who rub their like who pull on their nipples rings while he's asking about snuff.

921
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,140
That guy was my favorite.

922
00:43:00,140 --> 00:43:01,900
But this is my favorite pervert.

923
00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:06,040
The guy who yeah, the guy who looked like the villain from Ghostbusters two.

924
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,100
Yeah, yeah.

925
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:08,980
So here's the thing.

926
00:43:08,980 --> 00:43:12,920
Like, you know, Max, California keeps talking about how the devil's going to come to him

927
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,280
like like the devil's getting to you, the devil's getting to you.

928
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,120
And when Nick starts putting everything together

929
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,960
before he beats the shit out of Gandalfini with the butt of his handgun

930
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,240
and kills him and then burns all the porn and everything in that thing,

931
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:30,540
he goes out, he the porn or Gandalfini Gandalfin.

932
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:33,000
Well, yeah, because I like when Gandalfini showed up,

933
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,240
I completely forgot he was in that movie and I was like, fuck, yeah, he's dead.

934
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,540
I miss him. I got damage chops.

935
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:40,040
Yeah, no, it's weird.

936
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,840
It's weird to see them with a full head of hair.

937
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,880
Yeah, I'm like the fine, full, full, full, full, full, full, full.

938
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,920
Fuller, full for some of us.

939
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,860
Yeah, but but like the the.

940
00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:54,960
I think one of the interesting things that wasn't well executed,

941
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,900
but I picked up on is the fact that Nick Cage goes out to call the mom

942
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:06,300
of the daughter and he asks for permission to go kill them.

943
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:09,500
He said, remember when I told you I would you wanted

944
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:13,280
when I asked you if you wanted to know no matter what, can you please give me

945
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,620
permit and it's a very BDSM sort of thing because he's asking permission

946
00:44:17,620 --> 00:44:23,480
from someone and then once she says, yes, that's when he goes on the rampage.

947
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,860
And I think that that could have been executed a lot better in the hands of a

948
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,620
I don't want to say better filmmaker because Joel Schumacher

949
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:31,200
was pretty fucking successful.

950
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,900
Joel Schumacher is a great filmmaker, which again, we forget given

951
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:36,300
the nipples of it all.

952
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:38,600
The nipples of it all is the title of your.

953
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,480
I will say, OK, a a more a subtler film.

954
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,100
Yeah, a more subtle filmmaker.

955
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:47,680
And they would have they I feel like that that is the

956
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:51,040
I mean, like that's the that's the that's the inciting action

957
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,280
to wrap up everything and get the revenge.

958
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,460
But it's also tying into all of this culture

959
00:44:56,460 --> 00:45:01,520
that he's been experiencing and diving headlong into to try and solve this murder.

960
00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:04,900
And it didn't it didn't play as well as it should have.

961
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,840
Now he calls him on the very next scene is

962
00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:11,360
Gandolfini tied to into this like burnt out house.

963
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,660
Yeah, that post that the support beam.

964
00:45:13,660 --> 00:45:14,760
And he's just like, who is it?

965
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,740
And he get like, you just see the butt of the gun come down.

966
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:21,100
And then Nick Cage comes out in a sleeveless T-shirt covered in blood.

967
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,340
I'm like, we we've jumped the shark at this point.

968
00:45:24,580 --> 00:45:27,420
He then flies to New York to kill the machine.

969
00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:30,480
Still, with all that dried blood on his face.

970
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,260
Yeah, I have to agree with Josh.

971
00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:36,220
I feel like once it got into that ending portion, it just became two different

972
00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:39,020
movies and they weren't being executed the same way.

973
00:45:39,020 --> 00:45:40,960
No. And I don't think it's it.

974
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,100
I think it should have been a tighter ending.

975
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:48,700
I think if he had resolved everything in New York, the first time.

976
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,500
Yeah. While Eddie and the machine are all there

977
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,240
and just found a way like after he had run off, like, don't make him

978
00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:00,220
go back to Pennsylvania or whatever to talk to his family and this and that.

979
00:46:00,220 --> 00:46:02,980
Like, just get the ending done with.

980
00:46:03,020 --> 00:46:06,620
It just changed the the tension in the movie too much

981
00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:09,680
because it gave us like a little reprieve right beforehand.

982
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:10,680
And then it goes into this.

983
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,200
And this movie, like everything about it is just building tension.

984
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:15,160
I yeah. Yeah.

985
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,000
There's a lot of people who don't like the score for this movie.

986
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,940
I like the score for this movie.

987
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:20,900
I made a note of that.

988
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:22,100
It was actually real.

989
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:25,900
It puts you on edge and it takes you out of like a comfortable element.

990
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:28,900
Yeah. Well, when he's in when he's in George's mom's house

991
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:32,280
and and the effects twin record runs into the run out.

992
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,620
Oh, yeah. And it just is in that run out groove and he's in.

993
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:39,260
It's building tension and that becomes that becomes the soundtrack.

994
00:46:39,260 --> 00:46:41,760
You know, it's that circular sort of like pattern

995
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,200
that keeps on repeating itself and repeating itself and repeating itself.

996
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,300
And then he can't find him.

997
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:49,300
So then he starts leaving and then the music starts back up and he's like,

998
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:51,180
oh, shit, fuckers here.

999
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:55,020
Why? Why was the last fight scene in a fucking graveyard?

1000
00:46:55,220 --> 00:46:57,320
Yeah, right. It was right next to the house.

1001
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,860
Yeah, they fell out of George's. Why?

1002
00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:01,980
Well, because he's a creepy guy.

1003
00:47:01,980 --> 00:47:03,960
He's a creepy, creepy place.

1004
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,360
Easy, easy burial spot.

1005
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,500
Just useful. Don't you want to see where the zombies are coming from?

1006
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,900
Speaking of zombies in eight millimeter, anybody clock a very fucking young

1007
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:19,100
some would say like larval Norman Reed Norman Reed is.

1008
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:21,000
Yeah. Holy shit.

1009
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,940
That dude used to look like a normal Norman.

1010
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:27,980
Yeah, he looked he looked like himself, but way, way younger.

1011
00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:30,340
And like life had not punched him in the face.

1012
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:31,540
You're right.

1013
00:47:31,540 --> 00:47:35,360
Is when they have the initial shootout with the lawyer.

1014
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,100
Yeah. After Dino gets killed. California.

1015
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,440
Well, yeah. California.

1016
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,200
Max California.

1017
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,000
But like that scene, like that should have just been a shootout.

1018
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,640
He should have gone home and then worried about whether or not

1019
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,740
he would ever be found out.

1020
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:51,580
The fact that there's 30 minutes after that is really where this movie falls apart.

1021
00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:56,380
That kind of feels like maybe Christopher Nolan should remake this movie

1022
00:47:56,380 --> 00:47:59,520
because like there's always about like 30 to 45 more minutes

1023
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,520
after the end of this story arc.

1024
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,860
I don't think Christopher Nolan needed to touch this one.

1025
00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:06,120
The audio was fine.

1026
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,760
We could hear it all the way through.

1027
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,200
Oh, take that Christopher Nolan.

1028
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,360
Yeah, he's going to feel bad now.

1029
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,560
Oh, yeah. Big time podcaster bringing him down.

1030
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,940
I think that guy doesn't even have a cell phone. Is that right?

1031
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:20,300
Yeah, that's true.

1032
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:22,640
Yeah, he has an assistant that takes notes for him. Yeah.

1033
00:48:23,140 --> 00:48:27,380
Well, when our podcast comes out on a cassette that he listens to, he's going to be mad.

1034
00:48:28,820 --> 00:48:31,180
Yeah. Put this in my Walkman.

1035
00:48:31,380 --> 00:48:33,120
But I'm to the podcast.

1036
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,060
I think I have to say, though, comparing both these films,

1037
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,020
I think this is the better film, but it's definitely a film

1038
00:48:39,020 --> 00:48:40,820
I don't want to watch again.

1039
00:48:40,820 --> 00:48:44,660
Not because I don't like it, because it is a hard watch.

1040
00:48:44,860 --> 00:48:50,140
I would say it is the more conventionally well structured film.

1041
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,600
I also do want to say at the end of this film, he gets a letter

1042
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,180
from the mom of Mary, the girl who dies.

1043
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,080
And she's just like, thank you for writing me.

1044
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,880
I was really mad that you told me that my daughter's dead.

1045
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,480
But I'm glad the men who killed her are also dead.

1046
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,320
I'm like, paper trail, dude.

1047
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,060
You're a fucking private eye.

1048
00:49:10,060 --> 00:49:11,680
You're fucking you're writing.

1049
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,420
You're writing a mother being like, I murdered some folk.

1050
00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:16,800
Thank you for doing the murders on my behalf.

1051
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,460
I really appreciate it.

1052
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:19,900
Thank you for murdering for me.

1053
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:23,360
He could have at least gone out there and given her that hard D that she wanted.

1054
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,860
Oh, yeah. Good. Oh, my God.

1055
00:49:24,860 --> 00:49:26,700
Yeah. Here's a drink.

1056
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:28,080
You know, let me make you dinner.

1057
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,440
It's so depressing to eat by myself.

1058
00:49:30,540 --> 00:49:32,480
Yeah. Speaking of quotes, do you guys have quotes

1059
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,320
for this movie when he meets

1060
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,380
Joaquin Phoenix in the porn star being like,

1061
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,920
we want to be embarrassed in front of all your fellow perverts.

1062
00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:46,120
Also, by the way, the fact that it was called Adult Bookstore,

1063
00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:49,720
it makes me convinced that it was 100 percent

1064
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:53,100
they didn't do a find and replace when they finalized the script.

1065
00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:56,000
No. Have you never seen Adult Bookstore?

1066
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,400
No. Is that a national? Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

1067
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,540
100 per fucking percent. Oh, no shit.

1068
00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:03,540
No, I mean, I know you weren't raised in the city.

1069
00:50:03,980 --> 00:50:06,780
There is it in every major city in every major city.

1070
00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:08,240
There is a in every major city.

1071
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:13,520
There is a concrete bunker in the middle of just off downtown

1072
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,220
called Adult Bookstore.

1073
00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:17,180
Usually got a yellow awning. Correct.

1074
00:50:17,180 --> 00:50:19,060
Yeah. Yellow awning is their thing.

1075
00:50:19,060 --> 00:50:21,960
We have one in Salem also. Oh, wow. Golden Showers.

1076
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,200
No, no. I grew up in a town of lucky.

1077
00:50:24,220 --> 00:50:27,440
I grew up in a town of four thousand people in the woods.

1078
00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:30,140
And whenever I hear people talking about when they were young

1079
00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:31,900
and you found your porn by the railroad tracks.

1080
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:35,840
No, we would find it in the woods and it's a stump or in in bushes.

1081
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,840
No, one. Yeah. Yeah.

1082
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,580
There's honestly there's there's like a large contingent of people

1083
00:50:40,580 --> 00:50:43,080
that found porno through the woods.

1084
00:50:43,620 --> 00:50:44,680
And I was one of them.

1085
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,080
I found porno in the woods.

1086
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,180
I found porno in the woods, but I lived in the city.

1087
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:50,320
I did. I ever tell you about the porno I found in the woods.

1088
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,320
My brother and I, we used to have to ride down into town

1089
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,960
to lift weights during the summer.

1090
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,920
Classic as seven year olds.

1091
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,460
Well, seven year old strong man.

1092
00:50:58,460 --> 00:51:00,500
Obviously, little buff boys.

1093
00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:01,840
That's what they called us.

1094
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,160
But we were riding down one day and like this is like

1095
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:09,640
it's like an eight mile ride into town and about halfway down.

1096
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,480
We find this box on the side of the street and we're like, oh,

1097
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,980
let's look at this.

1098
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:16,880
So we're looking and it's like, man, that's like a lot of VHS

1099
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,040
is in some magazines and stuff.

1100
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,980
Well, we can't bring it down to lift right now.

1101
00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:24,380
So we'll just set it aside and we'll come back and get it

1102
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:26,360
and we'll figure out what's in all of these.

1103
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,680
So we get them back to my house.

1104
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,920
And there was like a weird foot fetish movie.

1105
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:34,000
So this is where I started like.

1106
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:34,800
Yeah, it is.

1107
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:35,760
Better.

1108
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,500
This is where I started to learn about a lot more fetish things

1109
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:42,700
because I was probably like 14, maybe 15 at this point.

1110
00:51:43,540 --> 00:51:47,600
So it'd been like pretty run of the mill porno, mostly PNV stuff.

1111
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:50,340
Now it's like some foot fetish.

1112
00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:53,680
And then there was one that was like heavy role play with.

1113
00:51:54,180 --> 00:51:55,240
Hold on. Wait a hold on.

1114
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,320
Is PNV pennies in vacuum?

1115
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,420
Yeah. OK, cool.

1116
00:51:58,420 --> 00:51:59,460
Yeah, I like the sound.

1117
00:51:59,460 --> 00:52:00,880
It really gets it.

1118
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,860
Well, that's the sound I like my ladies to make when they give me head.

1119
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,820
It's just like I like them to get down on it.

1120
00:52:07,820 --> 00:52:09,960
It sounds like they're starting a rough diesel like.

1121
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,080
So so it was a big old box of fetish porn that my brother and I had to weed

1122
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,200
through because I was still in the I was still capable of selling porno

1123
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,780
to people at football games at this point.

1124
00:52:25,780 --> 00:52:31,320
So what? When I was in middle school, I used to steal my dad's pornos,

1125
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,960
and then I would package them up and sell them at the high school football games.

1126
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:35,720
Under the bleachers.

1127
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:40,260
And how like I just wrap them up like gift wrap them like brown paper and tape

1128
00:52:40,260 --> 00:52:41,900
so that they'd be in my backpack.

1129
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:44,460
And I'll see if you got caught. It was a gift for a year.

1130
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,760
Yeah, that was the assumption.

1131
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,800
But I was selling some porno at the high school football game

1132
00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:54,580
and a couple of my friends, also middle schoolers, pulled out some cigarettes

1133
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:58,340
and they started smoking. I was like, you guys are not good at this

1134
00:52:58,380 --> 00:52:59,540
discretion thing.

1135
00:52:59,540 --> 00:53:03,220
And so I start to leave because I've got a backpack full of my dad's pornos

1136
00:53:03,220 --> 00:53:08,880
that I'm trying to hawk and out of nowhere, a cop shows up and I'm like, fuck.

1137
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,460
So I start running and then all the other kids start running and porno.

1138
00:53:13,460 --> 00:53:16,220
Yeah. Well, I didn't want to just get associated

1139
00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:18,400
with a bunch of smokers, degenerates and stuff.

1140
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,740
I was trying to sell legitimate porn.

1141
00:53:20,740 --> 00:53:25,040
Yeah, I was trying to sell my daddy's pornos, his skin mags.

1142
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,900
So I'm a kid and they catch me because I have little kid legs.

1143
00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:32,440
But they're both because you're a little strong.

1144
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,020
Yeah. Yeah, they still pump hard.

1145
00:53:36,020 --> 00:53:40,020
But so I get caught and they're like, what's in the bag?

1146
00:53:40,020 --> 00:53:42,980
And I'm like, OK, well, I show them and it's like, what's that?

1147
00:53:42,980 --> 00:53:44,520
I'm like, it's a gift for a buddy.

1148
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,720
They're like, it looks like a pipe bomb.

1149
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:48,560
I'm like, fuck it. This is St.

1150
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,400
Helens, Oregon, and they're like, we're going to have to open it.

1151
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,060
And so they fucking open it because I'm a kid and I don't understand my rights.

1152
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:56,640
They pop it open.

1153
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,500
Then then this cop's just sitting there with like six inches of porno in his hands,

1154
00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:03,580
like just a fat stack.

1155
00:54:04,180 --> 00:54:07,320
And that's when my mom showed up to pick me up.

1156
00:54:07,340 --> 00:54:08,980
No. And she comes around.

1157
00:54:08,980 --> 00:54:11,920
She's like, oh, there's Nick with like three cops.

1158
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,660
And what's it? What do they got?

1159
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:15,660
And she walks up.

1160
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:19,700
She sees what's in their hands immediately knows that it's my dad's.

1161
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,560
And she just like takes me home and it's like, you're so fucking grout.

1162
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:28,960
But it's not the first time that I've been caught stealing my dad's pornos either.

1163
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,560
So it's like this is nothing new.

1164
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,740
It's just like, now we're doing the now we're putting this out in public.

1165
00:54:35,140 --> 00:54:36,640
You escalated for sure.

1166
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:37,980
Yeah. Jesus Christ.

1167
00:54:37,980 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaking of escalation, this is not a segue.

1168
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,980
It's fucking I want to I want to end this so I can go.

1169
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:45,220
Oh, yeah.

1170
00:54:45,220 --> 00:54:48,780
Um, bad, Lieutenant Colon Protocol.

1171
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,960
I said semi colon comma New Orleans.

1172
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,160
Samper sand.

1173
00:54:55,060 --> 00:54:56,260
Good ellipses.

1174
00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:57,960
Good cage. Bad movie. Bad movie.

1175
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,240
Good cage. Good. Bad. Bad. Good.

1176
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,360
It's a bad bad. And I'm here for it.

1177
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,800
It's a bad bad.

1178
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,440
No, I'm not going to say bad, because I actually think it's a good movie

1179
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,540
because it's a satire and a black comedy.

1180
00:55:09,540 --> 00:55:11,440
I'm going to I'm going to say good. Good.

1181
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,980
I don't think that it whole I don't think it's consistent enough

1182
00:55:14,980 --> 00:55:17,620
to like be a black comedy.

1183
00:55:18,340 --> 00:55:21,020
I think it's a little really like all of the all of it.

1184
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,520
There's a day sex mocking out in a police station where he gets his

1185
00:55:24,860 --> 00:55:27,900
illegally got like gambling winning.

1186
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,020
We got back to it. I did want to circle back to that.

1187
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:31,760
Yeah. Yeah. Let's circle back.

1188
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:32,760
No, no, do it. No.

1189
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,860
I want to go home, guys, but let's hold on.

1190
00:55:34,860 --> 00:55:35,760
No, I would start.

1191
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,400
Oh, I've got another note about eight millimeter in the way in the in the.

1192
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,880
Directed. Met Colin around about why I made Nicholas Cage.

1193
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,580
No, I really thought Colin when that happened,

1194
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,340
I really thought he had owed.

1195
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:50,640
He was dying in those were his death rolls like that movie.

1196
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,180
Oh, yeah. With the heat death of the brain.

1197
00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:55,960
Yeah, that movie decides that it's over so abruptly.

1198
00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:58,120
I think you're giving this movie way too much credit.

1199
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,620
No, I'm not. I'm really not.

1200
00:55:59,620 --> 00:56:02,260
That's literally actually what's happening.

1201
00:56:02,260 --> 00:56:05,020
As the two people who have no voting power on this.

1202
00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:07,000
Yeah, right. With Josh.

1203
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,560
Well, I'm glad you both don't matter.

1204
00:56:09,860 --> 00:56:14,300
So I did want to go back to eight millimeter real quick.

1205
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:16,900
And you talk about the framing, Sean.

1206
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:19,000
You talk about how well it shot, how well it's composed.

1207
00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:23,580
The DP of it is Robert Ellsworth.

1208
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,640
He's a very good director of photography.

1209
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,920
He's been nominated.

1210
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,720
Yeah. And he won an Oscar for that.

1211
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:31,720
And he's he does a lot of stuff for it.

1212
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:34,880
It's a like it's a visually astounding.

1213
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,660
Before Paul Thomas Anderson started shooting his own films.

1214
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:39,920
That was his director of photography of choice.

1215
00:56:40,220 --> 00:56:43,120
And there was something that struck me while I was watching it.

1216
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,860
And it was like this kind of reminds me like the way that Cage is

1217
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:51,160
wandering around in the dark in the shadows, trying to uncover the mystery

1218
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:56,440
and everything really reminded me of the film Nightcrawler with Jake Gyllenhaal.

1219
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,740
If I can love except Gyllenhaal was more of a his his performance

1220
00:57:00,740 --> 00:57:05,620
was more of a coyote and Nick Cage was more of like a rat or a cockroach.

1221
00:57:05,780 --> 00:57:07,720
But like really, really similar.

1222
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:12,720
And Robert Ellsworth was the DP of both films and kind of captured that sort of vibe.

1223
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,160
You reminded me of one other part of the early

1224
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:19,800
the early aspects of eight millimeter that I thought was

1225
00:57:20,260 --> 00:57:24,160
unintentionally hilarious is every time Nicholas Cage

1226
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,440
finds a clue in the case, it's after he stopped looking.

1227
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,240
There's always a Colombo style.

1228
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,080
One more thing like he'll be like he'll be watching the video and he'll be like,

1229
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,020
you know, like he'll stop and like walk away and then like come back.

1230
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:41,880
It's like there's someone else there.

1231
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,020
And Nick, so eight millimeter.

1232
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:46,800
Good, bad, bad, good, bad, bad, good, good, bad, good, bad.

1233
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,360
I think it's good. Good.

1234
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,020
It could be tighter in the end, but I think it's a good movie.

1235
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,960
Every score I've seen in this film has been bad.

1236
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,100
And I think it's just because it's a hard watch.

1237
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:58,780
It's not it's not a comfortable watch, but it's a very well done film.

1238
00:57:59,340 --> 00:58:03,320
Josh, as our guest, who has absolutely no say in anything we vote on.

1239
00:58:03,820 --> 00:58:05,820
What what would you put forward?

1240
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,660
Well, I I'm going to say that it was a firmly mid movie.

1241
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,860
If I have to say it's mid, then I'm going to say it's bad

1242
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:20,300
because I know that mid is not a rating and Nick Cage was he was OK in it.

1243
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:24,000
Like I think that he rescued himself in the back half of that movie.

1244
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,600
So he was good cage in it.

1245
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:30,080
I think even though he was kind of like a yawning, tired sort of

1246
00:58:30,340 --> 00:58:33,940
performer and very mid at the beginning of it, at the by the end of it,

1247
00:58:33,940 --> 00:58:35,340
he was he was good cage.

1248
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,620
OK, which movie do you think should go forward?

1249
00:58:38,620 --> 00:58:41,420
Oh, you know, I'm going to say Bad Lieutenant. OK.

1250
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:44,780
My man. Thank you, Peter.

1251
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,720
I mean, I'm an eight millimeter guy.

1252
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,160
I like the tension.

1253
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,800
I like it's a better being put off.

1254
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,000
It's better. It's such a better film. Yeah.

1255
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,940
I like that you are both voting for a movie that you're like,

1256
00:58:56,940 --> 00:58:58,740
it's a hard watch that I don't want to see again.

1257
00:58:58,740 --> 00:59:01,280
Oh, no, I would watch it again. I have no problems with it.

1258
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:09,960
I'm not. I will say I actually I actually am shocked at how not terrible it was.

1259
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,220
Yeah, like because I was led to believe like, yeah, Sam.

1260
00:59:13,220 --> 00:59:15,520
Yeah, like I avoided it when I was younger.

1261
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,100
I mean, some of those reviews have to be coming from people

1262
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:20,400
who just disagree with the content. Yes.

1263
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,500
But but one of the chief defenders of that film was Roger Ebert.

1264
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:26,100
And he was like, it's it's great.

1265
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:30,480
And by the time you get to the film's last line from Nick Cage,

1266
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,740
where he says, save me, you know exactly what he's talking about.

1267
00:59:33,980 --> 00:59:37,140
And I was like, OK, yeah, that that tracks.

1268
00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:40,480
But there was a whole lot of other stuff in there that could have been tighter,

1269
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,780
could have been better, better executed.

1270
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:44,980
Yeah, I can see these films.

1271
00:59:44,980 --> 00:59:48,520
So I can see how you have like a concern over Cage's performance.

1272
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:54,300
But I read it as he's a very normal, like grounded person in a very abstract world.

1273
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:56,100
Yes. And he doesn't fit.

1274
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:59,140
He's a square peg in a circle hole.

1275
00:59:59,140 --> 01:00:03,440
And I think I think that he kind of or an amorphous hole he gets.

1276
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,440
It's it's like it's putting it's putting the final one.

1277
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,940
Cram it. It's like that tick tock where the guy puts the triangle in the circle hole.

1278
01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:15,080
And the woman goes out where no circle square.

1279
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,520
That was so great.

1280
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,360
I after watching it, I was like, they're both going to pick a millimeter

1281
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,700
and I will 100 percent understand their arguments for picking it.

1282
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:25,700
Yeah, I knew it too.

1283
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:29,100
Now, I didn't think I was going into this because I did not.

1284
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:31,740
I had such a hard time watching the first half of this film,

1285
01:00:31,740 --> 01:00:33,740
but it really got to me by the end.

1286
01:00:33,740 --> 01:00:35,040
It had no iguanas.

1287
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,440
Yeah, fucking where are the iguanas?

1288
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,040
You know what? There was an iguana in fucking Ghost Rider Motherfucker

1289
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,840
and you hated that film. So shut the fuck up.

1290
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,840
That's a terrible movie, though.

1291
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,320
We're done. This podcast is done.

1292
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,780
We're speaking goodbye forever.

1293
01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:50,920
We are actually almost done with this podcast.

1294
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,360
Season one next episode is our last of season one.

1295
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,560
Snake Eyes kind of remarkable.

1296
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:03,200
So Willy's Wonderland versus Snake Eyes rounding out our fucking weird category.

1297
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,000
Brian DePalma.

1298
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,340
I've seen neither of them.

1299
01:01:06,340 --> 01:01:07,500
I have also seen neither.

1300
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:13,140
I used to own the VHS of Snake Eyes because back in the day,

1301
01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:17,020
a Columbia Video Club was a thing and that was the selection of the month.

1302
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,160
And like little 14 year old me or whatever

1303
01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:22,360
forgot to send the card in.

1304
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,820
So I had to pay for it for my allowance.

1305
01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:25,600
So I have it.

1306
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,540
And I'm like, Brian DePalma is OK.

1307
01:01:27,540 --> 01:01:31,200
I liked stuff that I shouldn't have seen at this age,

1308
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,700
like Scarface and the Untouchables and one of those blowout blowout.

1309
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:37,540
It's fucking amazing.

1310
01:01:37,540 --> 01:01:38,680
OK, I have the Blu Ray.

1311
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:39,880
Is it? No, no, no, no.

1312
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,320
It's it's sound recorder.

1313
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,740
It's sound recorder. John Travolta.

1314
01:01:44,140 --> 01:01:46,280
Does he take his face off? No, he he.

1315
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,220
I don't know. Covers a murder.

1316
01:01:48,220 --> 01:01:50,520
It's real good. It's real fucking good.

1317
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,280
If a face doesn't come off.

1318
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,560
No, thank you.

1319
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:54,820
Good night, everybody. Peter.

1320
01:01:54,820 --> 01:01:56,160
Yeah. I think.

1321
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,220
Thank you. I can't even thank everyone for this one.

1322
01:01:59,900 --> 01:02:02,360
Please. God rate, review, subscribe.

1323
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,300
We love you all.

1324
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:06,640
I mean, Peter loves you.

1325
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,740
Thank you to our Sparkle buddies.

1326
01:02:08,740 --> 01:02:11,240
Josh, Josh, you.

1327
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:12,240
It's on.

1328
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,540
Josie Rico. I'm here.

1329
01:02:14,540 --> 01:02:15,340
I'm Sean.

1330
01:02:15,340 --> 01:02:19,340
And special thanks to our cage dancers, Ira, John and Freeman and Lance.

1331
01:02:20,020 --> 01:02:24,960
And if you want to hang out and chat with us, we are on Twitter or X

1332
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,960
or whatever the fuck it is at this point.

1333
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:27,760
Going to give it to you.

1334
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:28,860
Yeah. It's cool.

1335
01:02:28,860 --> 01:02:29,420
Give it to you.

1336
01:02:29,420 --> 01:02:31,220
Also, we're not going to respond to things you say.

1337
01:02:31,220 --> 01:02:34,300
So we are on Reddit at cage match pod.

1338
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:38,260
And if you are interested in supporting us on Patreon, we are at cage match.

1339
01:02:38,260 --> 01:02:41,940
So thank you for listening. X going to give it to you.

1340
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,940
Bye bye.

1341
01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:49,340
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1342
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,540
Bye bye.

1343
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,580
Does anyone remember when they looked like less punch in the face

1344
01:02:58,580 --> 01:03:00,020
version of themselves?

1345
01:03:00,020 --> 01:03:01,120
Oh, God, yeah.

1346
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,320
I've always been sexy.

1347
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,360
I've seen that doesn't answer.

1348
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,500
I've always been 100 percent sex that Sean John senior penis

1349
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:11,700
kissed by the moonlight. Yeah.

1350
01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:13,900
Now, they're my penis does the kissing.

1351
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,940
Come here, moon.

1352
01:03:16,940 --> 01:03:20,000
So kiss the shit out of you.

1353
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,420
I can't remember what someone remind me what my stick was up

1354
01:03:23,420 --> 01:03:25,320
until we got it up my sleep.

1355
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,980
Like your whole thing or just for this episode.

1356
01:03:27,980 --> 01:03:30,080
Looking up segues.

1357
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:35,620
I asked you to do this to me, too.

1358
01:03:35,620 --> 01:03:58,240
I would have done it whether you asked or not.