WEBVTT 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:05.559 You're listening to There Auto Be A Law, the 00:00:05.559 --> 00:00:08.259 Center for Auto Safety podcast with Executive 00:00:08.259 --> 00:00:11.720 Director Michael Brooks, Chief Engineer Fred 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:15.640 Perkins, and hosted by me, Anthony Cimino. For 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:18.320 over 50 years, the Center for Auto Safety has 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:24.019 worked to make cars safer. Hey listeners, today's 00:00:24.019 --> 00:00:26.679 Wednesday, June 10th. Wait a second, wasn't last 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:29.500 week Wednesday, June 10th? Yes, we're in the 00:00:29.500 --> 00:00:32.280 past. You're in the future. We just recorded 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:34.179 these episodes back to back. So if something 00:00:34.179 --> 00:00:38.280 crazy happened in the last week, we missed it. 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:40.719 Wait for the following week and we'll catch up 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:43.060 on you. What could have crazy could have happened? 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:45.159 Waymo says that they're the greatest thing in 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:49.020 the world while they drive into a wall. I don't 00:00:49.020 --> 00:00:52.520 know what happened. Police had to rescue a Zooks 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:57.020 from something. You know, I don't know. I don't 00:00:57.020 --> 00:01:02.030 know. Elon fesses up. Yeah, Elon's now I'm a 00:01:02.030 --> 00:01:05.129 trillionaire, man. My companies don't make a 00:01:05.129 --> 00:01:08.890 profit, but you keep falling for it. Oh, you 00:01:08.890 --> 00:01:10.870 know, you just inspired me, Michael. You inspired 00:01:10.870 --> 00:01:14.450 me to start off with my gaslight. That's right. 00:01:14.650 --> 00:01:19.230 Going right into it. Kathy. Late stage capitalism 00:01:19.230 --> 00:01:22.530 would. For those of you don't know, Kathy Wood 00:01:22.530 --> 00:01:29.120 is a investment manager. I don't know. She's 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:31.579 a salesperson. You have to understand, everybody 00:01:31.579 --> 00:01:35.459 on Wall Street who stock analysts, they do sales. 00:01:36.180 --> 00:01:40.060 They're not unbiased. They do sales. All these 00:01:40.060 --> 00:01:41.700 companies, Merrill Lynch, when they're like, 00:01:41.819 --> 00:01:45.159 hey, SpaceX is worth trillions of dollars. That's 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:48.859 fraud. That's bullshit sales. This is just lies. 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:52.939 They are used car salespeople with really nice 00:01:52.939 --> 00:01:57.459 clothes. From this article in this video that 00:01:57.459 --> 00:02:00.719 we're linking to from Benzinga. I can't even 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:04.079 say that with a straight face. Benzinga. Kathy 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:08.759 Wood. She rides around in a Waymo and talks about 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.020 how it's the greatest thing. No, I'm sorry. In 00:02:11.020 --> 00:02:13.580 a Tesla. In a Tesla. In Austin. In Austin, yeah. 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:17.500 And the greatest thing in the world. And I don't 00:02:17.500 --> 00:02:20.020 know. I really don't know if she's just naive, 00:02:20.180 --> 00:02:23.780 stupid, or full of shit. Maybe that's the game 00:02:23.780 --> 00:02:26.120 we should play instead of Gaslight. It's naive, 00:02:26.180 --> 00:02:29.699 stupid, or just full of shit. Or all the above. 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:32.740 Yeah. So she's saying that Tesla, because they're 00:02:32.740 --> 00:02:36.240 amazing and her entire financial stake is basically 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:38.979 invested in Tesla, says they're going to get 00:02:38.979 --> 00:02:41.159 their costs for their robo taxi service down 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:46.159 to 25 cents per mile. Lie. Nope. There's no data 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:48.300 to back this up. I will actually point out where 00:02:48.300 --> 00:02:51.990 Kathy would and. Her ARK Investments gets all 00:02:51.990 --> 00:02:55.129 their data from when I finish my rant here. She 00:02:55.129 --> 00:02:57.030 claims in this video, there are five parking 00:02:57.030 --> 00:03:00.969 spaces per car in the US. That's fiction. That's 00:03:00.969 --> 00:03:04.770 just made up. No one knows. No one has any clue. 00:03:04.930 --> 00:03:07.810 Sorry, you can search for this and there's estimates 00:03:07.810 --> 00:03:11.889 going from three parking spaces per car to 10 00:03:11.889 --> 00:03:14.449 parking spaces per car. No one, this data is 00:03:14.449 --> 00:03:18.830 not, no one's compiled it. Okay. She claims Waymo 00:03:18.830 --> 00:03:20.810 has the data to prove that autonomous driving 00:03:20.810 --> 00:03:23.449 is safer than human driving. Fred Perkins, what's 00:03:23.449 --> 00:03:29.389 your thought on that? Yep. He has to clean off 00:03:29.389 --> 00:03:31.710 his microphone now. And she says it will only 00:03:31.710 --> 00:03:34.689 get better over time, that their safety will 00:03:34.689 --> 00:03:37.530 get better over time. If anything, what we've 00:03:37.530 --> 00:03:39.569 learned from Waymo is that it gets worse over 00:03:39.569 --> 00:03:43.009 time. You know, they used to stop behind school 00:03:43.009 --> 00:03:46.150 buses. They don't do that anymore. You know, 00:03:46.150 --> 00:03:48.969 they regularly drive into puddles that are blood 00:03:48.969 --> 00:03:51.909 zones. When the cell service goes out, they die. 00:03:52.069 --> 00:03:55.210 They have not gotten better over time. And then 00:03:55.210 --> 00:03:58.889 she, the piece de resistance, she says states 00:03:58.889 --> 00:04:01.590 are putting their populations at risk by not 00:04:01.590 --> 00:04:04.830 encouraging autonomy by this being autonomous 00:04:04.830 --> 00:04:10.409 vehicles. She is a menace. This is the behavior 00:04:10.409 --> 00:04:16.259 of a lunatic. This is a charlatan. Well, this 00:04:16.259 --> 00:04:19.319 is the establishment of an urban myth. You know, 00:04:19.339 --> 00:04:21.699 we talked about that, actually, how that Waymo 00:04:21.699 --> 00:04:25.180 started that nonsense. And it's been picked up 00:04:25.180 --> 00:04:27.839 by CNN. It's been picked up by The New York Times. 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.639 Now here it's going back again through the echo 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:34.779 chamber. It's unbelievable. She keeps saying 00:04:34.779 --> 00:04:38.209 save lives, but she wraps it in air quotes. She 00:04:38.209 --> 00:04:40.949 literally said save lives. And she's using like 00:04:40.949 --> 00:04:43.610 little finger air quotes things. Why? Why would 00:04:43.610 --> 00:04:46.629 you say that? That is like just kidding. Like, 00:04:46.709 --> 00:04:50.370 I don't I don't get it. It's it's insane. She 00:04:50.370 --> 00:04:53.050 says the reason that Tesla will succeed is they've 00:04:53.050 --> 00:04:55.649 been training their vehicles for 10 years. So 00:04:55.649 --> 00:04:57.670 they and there's a direct quote. They know all 00:04:57.670 --> 00:05:05.329 the things that can go wrong. Oh, and she said 00:05:05.329 --> 00:05:06.810 for the things that go wrong, they're called. 00:05:07.149 --> 00:05:11.209 Corner cases. Lady, did you even read the fucking 00:05:11.209 --> 00:05:17.529 cliff notes? Come on. How? How? How? Corner cases, 00:05:17.550 --> 00:05:19.269 I love it. And I am going to wrap up on my guest 00:05:19.269 --> 00:05:21.790 letter. She implies that most auto accidents 00:05:21.790 --> 00:05:24.829 are caused by young people texting. Now, we know 00:05:24.829 --> 00:05:28.509 distracted driving is a major problem. Unfortunately, 00:05:28.910 --> 00:05:30.629 speeding and drunk driving are three to four 00:05:30.629 --> 00:05:33.149 times as likely to cause a crash. Yeah. I mean, 00:05:33.250 --> 00:05:39.009 again, this is lazy. lazy fraudulent bullshit 00:05:39.009 --> 00:05:42.750 i hope for her to be locked up or just her mouth 00:05:42.750 --> 00:05:45.170 duct tape people just stop listening to people 00:05:45.170 --> 00:05:47.589 because you think they made she made an investment 00:05:47.589 --> 00:05:51.310 in a con of a company called tesla people bought 00:05:51.310 --> 00:05:53.629 into it because the s &p said let's put this 00:05:53.629 --> 00:05:55.850 in an index fund all these index funds buy it 00:05:55.850 --> 00:05:57.850 so the stock goes up and she's like aren't i 00:05:57.850 --> 00:06:00.790 amazing i'm brilliant because i got in early 00:06:00.790 --> 00:06:03.649 on the con she's like employee number two at 00:06:03.649 --> 00:06:10.000 amway Like that's what this is. Anyway, my gas 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.860 under your skin. She upsets me as much as Waymo 00:06:13.860 --> 00:06:17.399 harassing the police. Kathy Wood is in Anthony's 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:20.439 head. It's just it's more. It is not. I mean, 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:24.459 look, she she amongst others. She stands out 00:06:24.459 --> 00:06:27.000 in the investment community as the person who 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:30.459 is most willing to kind of trumpet. the same 00:06:30.459 --> 00:06:32.779 things that Elon's saying than to try to attract 00:06:32.779 --> 00:06:35.879 more people to buy the stock so that her valuation 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:39.199 keeps going up, right? Absolute nonsense. That 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:42.540 is my gaslight of this week and a wonderful way 00:06:42.540 --> 00:06:44.920 to start this episode. Does anyone else have 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:48.740 a gaslight? No, I'm out of gas. Oh, Michael, 00:06:49.139 --> 00:06:51.500 did you have a gaslight you wanted to add? My 00:06:51.500 --> 00:06:54.399 gaslight is you, Anthony, because you said we 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:56.759 weren't doing gaslights in this episode and then 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:03.079 you did one. Ah, well, I win. I can't argue with 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.399 your winnings this week. Yeah, it's hard. It's 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:08.120 hard to argue with that. I mean, even if you 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:10.360 guys had one, come on, this is a good one. I 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:14.939 did. It was you. Well, that's a good one. Let's 00:07:14.939 --> 00:07:18.160 get into tires. And I've asked you guys about 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:21.819 tires before because I, you know, I haven't replaced 00:07:21.819 --> 00:07:23.360 tires in my car yet. They don't need it. They 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:27.759 still got tread depth. I don't understand tires 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.300 as a consumer. There's a. plethora of choices 00:07:30.300 --> 00:07:34.779 i don't get it i understand very basic things 00:07:34.779 --> 00:07:37.600 i want a tire to stop my vehicle and keep me 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:40.459 on the road it's that is the scent of my the 00:07:40.459 --> 00:07:42.740 extent of my knowledge uh there's an article 00:07:42.740 --> 00:07:45.939 from jalopnik titled california's new tire regulations 00:07:45.939 --> 00:07:49.180 could be a nightmare for enthusiasts it talks 00:07:49.180 --> 00:07:51.639 about how the california energy commission has 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:54.319 proposed replacement tire efficiency program 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.019 it's saying i'm summarizing that replacement 00:07:58.019 --> 00:08:00.439 tires that's Third -party tires that you buy 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.459 after you have your new car have to have the 00:08:03.459 --> 00:08:07.439 same efficiency standards as the original equipment 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:11.139 manufacturers' tires. And now this is an issue. 00:08:11.180 --> 00:08:15.480 Why? This is a problem that a lot of people don't 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.519 know about. In fact, we got a complaint from 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:19.720 a consumer last month who was saying, you know, 00:08:19.740 --> 00:08:22.779 my OEM tires are running out with like, you know, 00:08:22.779 --> 00:08:27.100 after 25 ,000 miles. You know, why aren't they're 00:08:27.100 --> 00:08:28.980 not typically going to be covered under your 00:08:28.980 --> 00:08:30.819 warranty. So you're going to be responsible for 00:08:30.819 --> 00:08:33.220 replacing them. And her question was, you know, 00:08:33.259 --> 00:08:37.460 why are OEM tires only getting, you know, only 00:08:37.460 --> 00:08:40.000 lasting this long, whereas the aftermarket tires 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.580 are warranted for, you know, 60, 70 ,000 miles 00:08:43.580 --> 00:08:47.360 in some cases. And the truth behind all that 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.240 is that the tires that come with your vehicle. 00:08:51.149 --> 00:08:54.769 are typically designed specifically to produce 00:08:54.769 --> 00:08:57.950 the greatest efficiency in that vehicle. They 00:08:57.950 --> 00:09:01.190 might be a little softer. They might have lots 00:09:01.190 --> 00:09:06.269 of characteristics that make them work great 00:09:06.269 --> 00:09:08.649 with that vehicle during your test drive and 00:09:08.649 --> 00:09:10.370 during your first couple of years of ownership. 00:09:11.649 --> 00:09:14.940 A lot of people will experience... you know early 00:09:14.940 --> 00:09:17.740 failures well before you know the 50 or 60 000 00:09:17.740 --> 00:09:20.019 miles you'd like to get out of your tires on 00:09:20.019 --> 00:09:23.019 the oem tires because they are not the same as 00:09:23.019 --> 00:09:26.000 the aftermarket tires and part of the problem 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.120 with this proposal is that it is seeking to make 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:34.980 the aftermarket tires you buy as efficient as 00:09:34.980 --> 00:09:37.120 the ones that come with the vehicle which arguably 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.049 is going to make them not last as long, which 00:09:41.049 --> 00:09:43.549 can, you know, even though this is a rule that's 00:09:43.549 --> 00:09:46.970 geared towards greater fuel economy and efficiency, 00:09:47.330 --> 00:09:51.690 it could result in more tires being bought and 00:09:51.690 --> 00:09:55.350 used and thrown out over time. And tire pollution 00:09:55.350 --> 00:09:58.710 is not, you know, not a joke. It is a significant 00:09:58.710 --> 00:10:02.970 concern. And so there have been a lot of, you 00:10:02.970 --> 00:10:05.409 know, I don't think industry and the tire industry 00:10:05.409 --> 00:10:09.100 is all that happy with these regulations. I don't 00:10:09.100 --> 00:10:11.019 know. They would ultimately end up selling more 00:10:11.019 --> 00:10:14.000 tires, it seems like. But I just don't know. 00:10:14.299 --> 00:10:16.159 You know, this is a proposal right now. It's 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:20.120 still being vetted in California. And so it may 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.740 not come to pass because there are some problems 00:10:22.740 --> 00:10:25.259 here. But it's certainly something that we'll 00:10:25.259 --> 00:10:28.940 keep an eye on as it moves forward. But I guess 00:10:28.940 --> 00:10:30.779 the point I want consumers to understand out 00:10:30.779 --> 00:10:33.460 of all this is that the tires that come on your 00:10:33.460 --> 00:10:37.100 vehicle when you buy a new car. are most likely 00:10:37.100 --> 00:10:40.720 not going to last as long as the tires that come 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:44.000 after. They're essentially designed to give those 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.379 cars the greatest initial fuel economy that they 00:10:47.379 --> 00:10:52.480 can get. When they say that they could create 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:56.539 a problem and could possibly result in more tires 00:10:56.539 --> 00:10:59.840 being manufactured, that's true. But it could 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:02.759 also mean that the tire companies will step up 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:06.480 and get tires that... both provide good efficiency 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.940 and also last a long time. So that's another 00:11:09.940 --> 00:11:12.460 possibility. And the competition could drive 00:11:12.460 --> 00:11:14.980 them in that direction, which I suspect it will. 00:11:15.740 --> 00:11:18.679 You know, previously the tire companies had no 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:24.779 reason to develop the tires that, you know, did 00:11:24.779 --> 00:11:28.980 both things, right? And so now they do. So it 00:11:28.980 --> 00:11:32.659 could go both ways. It could be bad, could be 00:11:32.659 --> 00:11:35.730 good. I guess the future is full of surprises, 00:11:35.870 --> 00:11:40.350 isn't it? We'll find out. So what terms of efficiency 00:11:40.350 --> 00:11:43.889 drop off are we talking about? Is it one mile 00:11:43.889 --> 00:11:46.809 a gallon? Is it 10? Like, do we have any idea? 00:11:47.409 --> 00:11:49.049 Well, it depends on the tire, right? I mean, 00:11:49.049 --> 00:11:52.769 if you're taking your factory tires on your pickup 00:11:52.769 --> 00:11:55.830 and replacing them with big mud tires, it could 00:11:55.830 --> 00:11:58.509 significantly impact your fuel economy. Or if 00:11:58.509 --> 00:12:00.429 you're switching to snow tires for the winter. 00:12:00.909 --> 00:12:02.429 or something like that, you're going to have 00:12:02.429 --> 00:12:05.669 an impact. And it could be small, it could be 00:12:05.669 --> 00:12:07.850 large, depending on how different those tires 00:12:07.850 --> 00:12:11.210 are in function and quality to the OEM ones. 00:12:11.370 --> 00:12:12.990 Is that still a thing? Because I remember as 00:12:12.990 --> 00:12:15.429 a kid, we'd have like an extra set of tires in 00:12:15.429 --> 00:12:17.370 our garage and they'd be like, oh, I got to put 00:12:17.370 --> 00:12:20.330 on the snow tires and then the winter tire. And 00:12:20.330 --> 00:12:22.929 I thought it was just all season now is what 00:12:22.929 --> 00:12:27.019 everybody had. I think all -season tires, they 00:12:27.019 --> 00:12:30.159 have their place. But if you're in areas of heavy 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:32.860 snow and ice, they're not going to do what you 00:12:32.860 --> 00:12:35.399 really want them to do. You need dedicated snow 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:37.600 tires. Well, the other thing that's happened 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.340 is front -wheel drive and all -wheel drive has 00:12:40.340 --> 00:12:44.940 come into play since you were a child more than 00:12:44.940 --> 00:12:47.460 it was before. So there's just less emphasis 00:12:47.460 --> 00:12:51.179 on snow tires. That's a good point. When I was 00:12:51.179 --> 00:12:53.399 first trying to drive, I was told certain things 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:57.539 that made sense in a rear wheel driven car versus 00:12:57.539 --> 00:12:59.139 a front wheel. It's like, oh, when you go into 00:12:59.139 --> 00:13:00.620 a curve, you want to hit the accelerator more 00:13:00.620 --> 00:13:03.600 so your back end doesn't kick out. I'm not sure 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.899 if that was a good advice with rear wheel drive 00:13:05.899 --> 00:13:13.659 anyway. No. Where I grew up, you would want to 00:13:13.659 --> 00:13:15.879 have the rear wheels kick out because it's more 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:20.879 fun. In response to these concerns that both 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:22.840 Jalopnik and Car and Driver have put out, the 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:25.000 California Energy Commission issued the following 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:28.279 statement. In partnership with Smithers, this 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:30.720 is not a lie. In partnership with Smithers, a 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:32.580 leading independent tire testing laboratory, 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.120 the CEC tested tires that are sold for the most 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:38.580 popular cars and light trucks in California as 00:13:38.580 --> 00:13:41.299 measured by the California DMV license registrations. 00:13:42.809 --> 00:13:45.330 That's surprising. The research showed there's 00:13:45.330 --> 00:13:47.710 no relationship between efficiency and tire lifespan 00:13:47.710 --> 00:13:50.190 within the California market. In fact, the proposal 00:13:50.190 --> 00:13:52.549 is specifically designed to encourage manufacturers 00:13:52.549 --> 00:13:55.049 to produce longer -lasting tires, which save 00:13:55.049 --> 00:13:58.509 consumers money and reduce tire waste. So that's 00:13:58.509 --> 00:14:02.110 to your point, Fred, to your hope that they could 00:14:02.110 --> 00:14:05.250 make something even better. The thing that surprised 00:14:05.250 --> 00:14:09.049 me is the measure by California DMV license registrations. 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:12.080 I live in California. I had a car. I don't remember 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:14.559 telling the DMV what kind of tires were on my 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:18.980 car. Like, how would they? I mean, when you buy 00:14:18.980 --> 00:14:21.700 tires, they're not sending that information to 00:14:21.700 --> 00:14:24.000 the DMV unless something changed in the last 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:27.730 26 years. But I don't know. That was a. That 00:14:27.730 --> 00:14:29.090 was an odd one. Well, I mean, that you would, 00:14:29.169 --> 00:14:31.889 you know, if the tire, if it was an OEM tire, 00:14:32.070 --> 00:14:34.029 the registrations you would pick up, you would 00:14:34.029 --> 00:14:35.789 know the car, know the tire, but you wouldn't 00:14:35.789 --> 00:14:37.750 be able to determine anything about a replacement. 00:14:38.149 --> 00:14:39.750 Right. And even then, like, I mean, I imagine 00:14:39.750 --> 00:14:41.610 manufacturers, they'll change the vehicles. Are 00:14:41.610 --> 00:14:44.169 they telling like, hey, my Saturn SL1 is now 00:14:44.169 --> 00:14:45.970 using Goodyear instead of Michelin? Yeah, I'm 00:14:45.970 --> 00:14:48.370 sure they change, switch up from time to time. 00:14:48.509 --> 00:14:52.529 Anyway, California, you're a strange place. Oh, 00:14:52.889 --> 00:14:55.809 here's a, here's a, let's see. I'm going to find 00:14:55.809 --> 00:15:00.429 a good one here. This is just a one -liner. That's 00:15:00.429 --> 00:15:03.470 it. Okay. We have an article from, I believe 00:15:03.470 --> 00:15:05.710 it was Automotive News, right? Yeah, Automotive 00:15:05.710 --> 00:15:07.649 News titled, and unfortunately we can't link 00:15:07.649 --> 00:15:10.889 to this, Ford has no regrets about quitting sedans, 00:15:10.909 --> 00:15:13.190 even if it considers bringing them back. And 00:15:13.190 --> 00:15:16.029 it's a long interview, blah, blah, blah. And 00:15:16.029 --> 00:15:20.070 the only thing, my takeaway from it was from 00:15:20.070 --> 00:15:24.299 the VP they're interviewing at Ford. He has this 00:15:24.299 --> 00:15:28.000 line. Where'd it go? We have a really great Mustang 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:34.240 that people consider a car. I love it. He said 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:36.059 that. That's the only takeaway I had from that 00:15:36.059 --> 00:15:41.039 entire interview. They're talking more and more 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:42.799 about bringing back sedans. You know, we've talked 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:46.740 a lot about Farley and him, you know, admiring 00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:49.620 some of the Chinese sedans and acknowledging 00:15:49.620 --> 00:15:54.360 that. the market doesn't offer probably as many 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:57.100 sedans as it should and definitely not at low 00:15:57.100 --> 00:15:59.059 enough cost for a lot of them to afford us so 00:15:59.059 --> 00:16:03.580 i drive a sedan i i i like the idea of bringing 00:16:03.580 --> 00:16:05.899 back more of them but you know you also have 00:16:05.899 --> 00:16:08.820 to wonder if the market is there to you know 00:16:08.820 --> 00:16:11.820 i don't know if we'll ever reach numbers again 00:16:11.820 --> 00:16:14.240 like we used to when 50 of the vehicles on the 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.549 road were sedans You know, now I think it's only 00:16:17.549 --> 00:16:20.929 around 15 % or so of vehicles sold are sedans. 00:16:21.129 --> 00:16:23.049 And even though they make a lot more sense for 00:16:23.049 --> 00:16:25.570 fuel economy and other things, a lot of Americans 00:16:25.570 --> 00:16:29.429 have chosen to go with larger SUVs and that kind 00:16:29.429 --> 00:16:34.009 of thing. You know, it's hard to say whether, 00:16:34.070 --> 00:16:36.750 you know, can a company just start building sedans 00:16:36.750 --> 00:16:39.590 and expect Americans to buy them? Or is this 00:16:39.590 --> 00:16:43.330 kind of a culture shift we need away from SUVs 00:16:43.330 --> 00:16:45.730 and back towards more sensible, smaller vehicles? 00:16:45.950 --> 00:16:49.669 I don't know. I went to a Toyota dealer just 00:16:49.669 --> 00:16:53.090 out of curiosity to see how much the CJ5s cost. 00:16:53.210 --> 00:16:55.669 I think that's what they're called. Anyway, it's 00:16:55.669 --> 00:16:58.759 their fancy. Four -wheel drive. It used to be 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:01.559 called the Land Rover. Oh, yeah. Like a Land 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:04.880 Cruiser. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, CJ, I guess, something 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:08.200 like that. No idea. That's a Jeep CJ. Sicker 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:12.440 price was $72 ,000. Yep. So you bought two of 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:17.000 them? Holy crap. So, you know, that was the end 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:22.259 of my interest. But if the companies can make 00:17:22.259 --> 00:17:25.220 as much money on one SUV that they're selling 00:17:25.220 --> 00:17:29.240 as for... two sedans that they're selling, man, 00:17:29.299 --> 00:17:31.319 as long as they can keep pushing people into 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:33.619 SUVs, that's where they're going to go. And that's 00:17:33.619 --> 00:17:35.440 what they like. The bigger vehicles have bigger 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:38.079 profit margins. And that's why we have, you know, 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.660 the average vehicle costs $50 ,000. Yeah. And 00:17:41.660 --> 00:17:44.119 if people are willing to spend $1 ,000 a month 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:47.660 on car payments, plus insurance, plus, you know, 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:51.079 basically if it adds up to $2 ,000 a month to 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:54.759 support your car habit, a company is more than 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:57.480 willing to. Have people do that, but boy, I'm 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.980 not going that way. But Fred, when you're going 00:17:59.980 --> 00:18:02.680 to Costco and you're buying a pallet of toilet 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:06.000 paper and a half a cow, you can't fit that into 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:10.599 a sedan. That's true. That's a good point. And 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:13.579 when you buy a half a cow, you do need all that 00:18:13.579 --> 00:18:16.099 toilet paper. I think that's what sunroofs are 00:18:16.099 --> 00:18:20.960 for. I've never been to a Costco. I just, I don't 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:22.240 have a membership. I don't know what it's like. 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:24.539 I just imagine. I imagine you can buy half a 00:18:24.539 --> 00:18:27.910 cow. Don't have them up here. But continuing 00:18:27.910 --> 00:18:32.730 with China and autos, there's an article from 00:18:32.730 --> 00:18:36.390 Ars Technica talking about how Michigan politicians 00:18:36.390 --> 00:18:40.130 want to ban Chinese -badged cars from even visiting 00:18:40.130 --> 00:18:44.769 the U .S. And a quote from the article, this 00:18:44.769 --> 00:18:48.470 is some politician type, says they can certainly 00:18:48.470 --> 00:18:50.980 come across the border. Just talking to Chinese 00:18:50.980 --> 00:18:53.400 vehicles or vehicles with Chinese technology 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:55.359 in it. They can certainly come across the border, 00:18:55.500 --> 00:18:58.019 drive up to Selfridge Air Force Base, take some 00:18:58.019 --> 00:19:00.380 video with the car. The car is traveling. The 00:19:00.380 --> 00:19:02.599 car is a traveling surveillance package. And 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:04.700 all that data that the car is collecting is being 00:19:04.700 --> 00:19:09.059 sent straight back to Beijing. This is lazy fear 00:19:09.059 --> 00:19:10.500 monitoring. That's a little crazy. Like, right? 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:13.240 Can't you just hop in your car with a video camera 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:15.079 and do the same thing? Can't you just show up 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:17.880 with your iPhone that's designed by an American 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:22.230 company but made in China? This is dumb. This 00:19:22.230 --> 00:19:25.250 is yeah, this is just pure fear mongering. And 00:19:25.250 --> 00:19:28.150 this is just very protectionist behavior against 00:19:28.150 --> 00:19:31.329 Detroit auto manufacturers who. Well, I mean, 00:19:31.349 --> 00:19:33.329 this really made me wonder about, you know, the 00:19:33.329 --> 00:19:37.529 CEO of Ford, Jim Farley, who applied and I think 00:19:37.529 --> 00:19:40.170 got an exemption to bring a Chinese. Was it one 00:19:40.170 --> 00:19:43.069 of the BYDs or another Chinese vehicle into America 00:19:43.069 --> 00:19:47.829 for his own use about a year ago? You know. Is 00:19:47.829 --> 00:19:50.609 this bill going to ban that kind of activity 00:19:50.609 --> 00:19:53.410 as well? No, no, no, no, no. Because Jim Farley 00:19:53.410 --> 00:19:56.430 is wealthy. The laws don't apply to wealthy people. 00:19:57.190 --> 00:19:59.809 That's got a good point. And, you know, we've 00:19:59.809 --> 00:20:02.970 had the, you know, this is, there's been, you 00:20:02.970 --> 00:20:05.009 know, I think the Biden administration's kicked 00:20:05.009 --> 00:20:07.750 this off. They put an import tariff on Chinese 00:20:07.750 --> 00:20:11.309 -made cars, 100 % import tariff, which functionally 00:20:11.309 --> 00:20:14.630 is a ban. And then the Department of Commerce 00:20:14.630 --> 00:20:18.480 started rulemaking. That was implemented during 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:20.480 this administration that banned the imported 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:23.700 connected cars from China starting next year. 00:20:23.900 --> 00:20:28.480 So functionally, this has already been done. 00:20:28.619 --> 00:20:31.900 I'm not really sure what Michigan is hoping to 00:20:31.900 --> 00:20:34.400 do with state legislation that the federal government 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:38.220 isn't already doing. And I also wonder if they 00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:43.960 have the authority to ban certain vehicles from 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:47.779 entering the country. state law i don't know 00:20:47.779 --> 00:20:51.140 it's it's it sounds odd yeah it just seems like 00:20:51.140 --> 00:20:53.319 a lot of fear -mongering i love the fact that 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:55.180 they bring in it's oh it's china china's the 00:20:55.180 --> 00:20:59.619 big concern i mean really i'm more concerned 00:20:59.619 --> 00:21:01.599 of just you know i mean we have the example already 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:05.079 of gm you know selling their customers data but 00:21:05.079 --> 00:21:06.880 yeah china is going to take a picture of a fence 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:09.700 at an air force base it's a you know maybe the 00:21:09.700 --> 00:21:13.049 chinese should invent satellites you know Get 00:21:13.049 --> 00:21:16.269 a better view. Or balloons. Or balloons and say 00:21:16.269 --> 00:21:18.730 we lost track of it. I don't know. Just flying 00:21:18.730 --> 00:21:24.109 over your country. Nonsense. But our friends 00:21:24.109 --> 00:21:27.849 in Europe, the EU have something called the European 00:21:27.849 --> 00:21:33.390 Union AI Act. And we have a link to this from 00:21:33.390 --> 00:21:38.630 automotive -iq .com. And I'm going to lean on 00:21:38.630 --> 00:21:40.430 you guys because I didn't really fully understand 00:21:40.430 --> 00:21:43.859 it. I'm going to quote from this piece. The regulation 00:21:43.859 --> 00:21:46.599 places particular focus on AI systems that could 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.740 pose serious risks to health, safety, or fundamental 00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:52.980 rights. In practical terms, automotive companies 00:21:52.980 --> 00:21:55.940 will need to understand whether an AI -enabled 00:21:55.940 --> 00:21:58.480 vehicle function is a low risk, limited risk, 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.500 or high risk, and what obligations follow from 00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:03.980 that classification. That sounds like something 00:22:03.980 --> 00:22:12.339 we all love, right? Yeah. Yeah. There's some 00:22:12.339 --> 00:22:15.539 things in cars that use AI that might be classified 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:20.000 as limited risk, maybe low risk. That could be 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:25.759 like you're, you know, interfacing with an LLM 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:28.480 or air conditioning or whatever you're doing 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:31.549 with it. I don't know how. you know, AI -enabled 00:22:31.549 --> 00:22:33.289 air conditioning. I don't know if that's a thing 00:22:33.289 --> 00:22:36.549 yet. But as far as infotainment and that kind 00:22:36.549 --> 00:22:38.569 of thing, you know, maybe there's low risk there. 00:22:38.670 --> 00:22:40.470 But when you're talking about vehicle performance, 00:22:40.730 --> 00:22:45.509 vehicle safety systems, clearly those vehicles 00:22:45.509 --> 00:22:49.849 should be regulated as, you know, high risk artificial 00:22:49.849 --> 00:22:53.680 intelligence. components of the vehicle because 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.880 you know there's there's a lot of ai that could 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:58.660 be used the vehicles coming up right and that 00:22:58.660 --> 00:23:00.720 is being used now you know we've got you know 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:04.859 driver monitoring you've got um that any all 00:23:04.859 --> 00:23:07.599 sorts of assisted driving across the industry 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:09.799 that's being loaded into cars now you've got 00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:13.339 autonomous driving um And there are a lot of 00:23:13.339 --> 00:23:16.480 other areas where cybersecurity comes into play 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:20.839 a lot here. So this is something that we do not 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:23.619 have in the United States, right? We do not have 00:23:23.619 --> 00:23:26.720 a legal framework to ensure that AI is safe. 00:23:26.859 --> 00:23:30.619 In fact, we've come perilously close in the past 00:23:30.619 --> 00:23:35.160 year to passing laws that would exempt. the AI 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:39.019 industry from a lot of state laws that could 00:23:39.019 --> 00:23:42.960 do something similar here in the absence of federal 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:46.319 AI regulation. There has been a little movement 00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:49.819 in the executive branch around AI regulation 00:23:49.819 --> 00:23:52.000 in the past week or so, but it's hard to tell 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.660 whether that's really safety concerns or Trump 00:23:55.660 --> 00:23:58.759 trying to enrich his family once again somehow. 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:03.099 There's even been talk of the United States taking 00:24:03.099 --> 00:24:06.200 a stake in some of the AI companies that are 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:08.619 operating here. So there's a lot going on in 00:24:08.619 --> 00:24:11.420 this area. But I think one thing we can certainly 00:24:11.420 --> 00:24:14.539 say is that we're a little jealous of the EU 00:24:14.539 --> 00:24:17.440 for actually having a legal framework here to 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:20.119 look out for its citizens versus what's going 00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:22.819 in the United States right now, where I would 00:24:22.819 --> 00:24:26.859 argue that the people who are supporting and 00:24:26.859 --> 00:24:30.109 pushing to. put AI into everything the United 00:24:30.109 --> 00:24:32.910 States are doing so at a speed that's not good 00:24:32.910 --> 00:24:36.069 for safety. I haven't read the regulation yet. 00:24:36.089 --> 00:24:38.670 I only read the personal issues associated with 00:24:38.670 --> 00:24:42.049 it. My opinion may change, but I didn't notice 00:24:42.049 --> 00:24:46.049 and I didn't see any emphasis on inspection and 00:24:46.049 --> 00:24:49.670 validation of the AI performance itself. Because 00:24:49.670 --> 00:24:54.029 inherent in AI operation is ambiguity in the 00:24:54.029 --> 00:24:56.619 output. You never know what you're going to get 00:24:56.619 --> 00:25:00.000 out of it. It's like, you know, a box of chocolates 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.819 in the hands of Forrest Gump. You never know. 00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:05.880 This applies to both large decisions that it's 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:07.880 going to make and small decisions that it's going 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.579 to make. I'm looking for, when I read this regulation, 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.660 I'm looking for some evidence that there's a 00:25:14.660 --> 00:25:19.869 third -party way or some validation method. For 00:25:19.869 --> 00:25:22.690 the AI operations itself, the conclusions you 00:25:22.690 --> 00:25:26.150 draw from one or two observations will in fact 00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:32.670 pertain to the overall AI operation. We've talked 00:25:32.670 --> 00:25:35.950 about this before and the need to have inspectable 00:25:35.950 --> 00:25:40.349 features that are safety critical on computer 00:25:40.349 --> 00:25:44.230 -driven vehicles. There's no emphasis on that 00:25:44.230 --> 00:25:46.970 in the public and there's no... evidence of that 00:25:46.970 --> 00:25:49.450 and what I've seen so far in this AI regulation. 00:25:49.809 --> 00:25:52.849 I think that's critical to any application for 00:25:52.849 --> 00:25:56.190 vehicles. You've got to be able to do a safety 00:25:56.190 --> 00:25:59.529 inspection to make sure that the vehicle is operating 00:25:59.529 --> 00:26:03.069 in conformance with the performance limits that 00:26:03.069 --> 00:26:05.170 have been placed on it by the manufacturer, right? 00:26:06.390 --> 00:26:09.930 Even, I mean, something like adaptive cruise 00:26:09.930 --> 00:26:13.950 control. You want to verify that the car, in 00:26:13.950 --> 00:26:18.430 fact, is... following other vehicles at the appropriate 00:26:18.430 --> 00:26:22.289 distance. How do you do that? Unless it's built 00:26:22.289 --> 00:26:25.170 in by the manufacturer, how in the world can 00:26:25.170 --> 00:26:27.390 a state that's concerned about the safety of 00:26:27.390 --> 00:26:32.390 its residents verify that, in fact, the adaptive 00:26:32.390 --> 00:26:35.470 cruise control or any other feature you want 00:26:35.470 --> 00:26:38.789 to name is doing what it's supposed to do? I 00:26:38.789 --> 00:26:41.029 think this is a huge gap. I haven't yet seen 00:26:41.029 --> 00:26:44.329 evidence that this European regulation is addressing 00:26:44.329 --> 00:26:47.069 that. The closest I see to that is they have 00:26:47.069 --> 00:26:49.450 a section called more documentation and traceability. 00:26:49.789 --> 00:26:52.049 I'm going to quote, high -risk AI systems require 00:26:52.049 --> 00:26:54.730 detailed technical documentation. For automotive 00:26:54.730 --> 00:26:56.650 companies, this could mean stronger traceability 00:26:56.650 --> 00:26:58.789 between AI requirements, training data sets, 00:26:58.930 --> 00:27:01.130 model versions, validation results, software 00:27:01.130 --> 00:27:05.490 releases, and post -market monitoring. I mean, 00:27:05.490 --> 00:27:09.029 that's kind of in the right direction, but you're 00:27:09.029 --> 00:27:11.190 right, Fred. We need, what are the actual specific 00:27:11.190 --> 00:27:13.390 details? Maybe that is in the specific regulation. 00:27:13.529 --> 00:27:16.400 I don't know. Maybe what they could do is they 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:18.480 could go to autosafety .org and check out the 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.119 AV checklist, get inspired from that, because 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:25.680 that's a great way to start. That's a fantastic 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.119 idea. I agree. And, hey, EU regulators, while 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:31.220 you're there, just click on Donate. We don't 00:27:31.220 --> 00:27:33.019 care if you live overseas. It's fine, right? 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.200 We can take it. We'll take your S. Yeah. They 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:39.039 have sovereign investment funds. Shouldn't they 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.460 have sovereign safety funds, too? Use that to 00:27:42.460 --> 00:27:45.259 invest in people like us. Finland, I know you 00:27:45.259 --> 00:27:47.740 got burned by donut. You know, we're no donut. 00:27:48.380 --> 00:27:50.779 We do believe it was Finland, right? Or was it 00:27:50.779 --> 00:27:52.960 Norway? It was Finland. I don't know. It was 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:54.779 so long ago. Go ahead and make up a country. 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.740 Why not? Yeah. Funore. Oh, Funore. Their food 00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:01.339 is amazing, I bet. Oh, I love a good Funore. 00:28:01.579 --> 00:28:03.619 Yeah, it's a nice food. Samoristan, yeah. Yeah, 00:28:03.619 --> 00:28:06.700 that's great. Well, where did the Marx Brothers 00:28:06.700 --> 00:28:08.420 fight in Animal Crackers? What was that country? 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:14.119 Anybody? Before my time. Ah. Well, with that, 00:28:14.180 --> 00:28:17.460 I think it's time for a deep dive on the world 00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:23.000 of GNSS, brought to you by Fred Boom Boom Perkins. 00:28:23.660 --> 00:28:28.099 Oh, this is actually a very important subject, 00:28:28.180 --> 00:28:31.460 which very few people have really thought about. 00:28:31.579 --> 00:28:34.519 Last week, we talked about Zoox and how they 00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:38.319 said there are no single -point failures in Zoox. 00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:43.359 Every AV company is busily mapping. cities so 00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:45.980 that their cars know where they are. But think 00:28:45.980 --> 00:28:48.460 of, you know, what does it really take to do 00:28:48.460 --> 00:28:51.099 that? If you know where a landmark is and you 00:28:51.099 --> 00:28:53.000 know where you are relative to the landmark, 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.960 then you can know where you are, right? If you're 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.220 next to a street sign that says My Town USA, 00:28:59.539 --> 00:29:02.500 you know pretty much where you are. That's how 00:29:02.500 --> 00:29:06.799 GPS works and all the similar systems. So the 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.319 formal names is Global Navigation Satellite System. 00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:13.819 There are several different systems, one by the 00:29:13.819 --> 00:29:17.759 U .S., one by Europe, one by China, that provide 00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.579 essentially parallel capabilities. So here's 00:29:21.579 --> 00:29:24.420 how it works. GPS satellites, and I'm going to 00:29:24.420 --> 00:29:26.920 call them all GPS satellites just because GNS. 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.619 I'm sorry? I just called you a dirty American 00:29:30.619 --> 00:29:33.539 by calling it GPS. GPS is the brand name of the 00:29:33.539 --> 00:29:36.960 U .S. version. Actually, it's not. It's called 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.589 Global Navigate something. I don't know. The 00:29:40.589 --> 00:29:43.029 international never star or whatever, blah, blah, 00:29:43.049 --> 00:29:44.970 blah. Anyway, this is how they work. The satellites 00:29:44.970 --> 00:29:46.730 are up there. The satellites know where they 00:29:46.730 --> 00:29:50.089 are. When you receive the radio signal that comes 00:29:50.089 --> 00:29:53.450 from the satellite, it comes into your device, 00:29:53.589 --> 00:29:56.849 whatever it is. And it decodes the information 00:29:56.849 --> 00:30:00.390 in that message. That includes the time at which 00:30:00.390 --> 00:30:03.690 the message was launched and the location of 00:30:03.690 --> 00:30:05.789 somewhere in space that it was launched from. 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:08.980 And since you know what the time is where you 00:30:08.980 --> 00:30:13.779 are, if you compare your time to its time, since 00:30:13.779 --> 00:30:16.160 what did you say, Michael? Three things in life 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:18.519 are constant. Death taxes and the speed of light 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:21.319 in a vacuum or something like that. Well, I would 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.500 say taxes aren't so sure anymore. Yeah, well, 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:26.440 that's true. It depends on how rich you are, 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.539 too. But anyway, radio waves are light, so their 00:30:29.539 --> 00:30:32.319 speed is well known. There's a lot of research 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.380 that goes on to that. So if you know the two 00:30:35.380 --> 00:30:39.079 ends, of the communication and the time associated 00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.799 with the delay between them, you can compare 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:43.579 that to the speed of light and you know where 00:30:43.579 --> 00:30:46.660 you are, right? You drive 10 miles an hour for 00:30:46.660 --> 00:30:51.339 one hour, you're 10 miles apart. So if you drive 00:30:51.339 --> 00:30:55.400 or if you are so far apart in time and you know 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.079 what the speed is, that's what the distance is. 00:30:58.900 --> 00:31:01.259 So the GPS satellites know where they are relative 00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:05.200 to Earth. And since they do, They broadcast that 00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.279 information and it's freely available for you 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:10.079 to listen to. But how do you get that information? 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:13.259 It comes through a radio signal. And that radio 00:31:13.259 --> 00:31:17.740 signal is very faint because they picked a part 00:31:17.740 --> 00:31:20.640 of the spectrum where there's very little background 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:25.220 noise from anything in the universe. So the transmission 00:31:25.220 --> 00:31:28.819 power from the satellite is only about 50 watts. 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:31.759 And since that satellite is tens of thousands 00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.880 of miles away from you, You can imagine that 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.279 it's a very small signal. 50 watts, by the way, 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.700 is about the power that's radiated by the high 00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:45.420 beam of your LED headlights. So if you think 00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:47.839 of the problem of seeing your headlights from 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:50.599 12 ,000 miles away, you can have some appreciation. 00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.660 How far are satellites actually away from us? 00:31:53.819 --> 00:31:55.900 12 ,000 sounds like a lot, but they were only 00:31:55.900 --> 00:31:59.980 like in the, you know, like hundreds of miles 00:31:59.980 --> 00:32:03.420 into the atmosphere versus... The satellites 00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:06.299 are about 12 ,000 to 13 ,000 miles from the Earth 00:32:06.299 --> 00:32:09.500 -bound listener. So the orbits are up 12 ,500 00:32:09.500 --> 00:32:11.400 feet or so, but of course you've got the distance 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.920 on the Earth that varies because it's in orbit. 00:32:15.380 --> 00:32:18.420 So it's like 12 ,000 to 13 ,000 miles. So they're 00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:21.400 all over the place out there. Yeah, but broadcast 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.339 power is 50 watts, so it's just not much power. 00:32:25.099 --> 00:32:28.940 So what has happened, though, is that the bad 00:32:28.940 --> 00:32:32.019 guys... And maybe the good guys, who knows? We 00:32:32.019 --> 00:32:33.779 don't talk about the good guys as much. But the 00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:36.460 bad guys have figured out that if you screw with 00:32:36.460 --> 00:32:38.960 a radio signal that's coming from the satellite 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.099 to the Earth, you can cause it to provide bad 00:32:43.099 --> 00:32:46.059 information on the Earth. Like you can change 00:32:46.059 --> 00:32:49.660 the indicated location from the actual location. 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.740 You guys probably saw Die Hard 2, didn't you? 00:32:53.740 --> 00:32:56.599 Loved it. And so in Die Hard 2, there's a scene 00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:59.410 in which the bad guys... take over the communication 00:32:59.410 --> 00:33:03.890 system to the navigation system to the airlines 00:33:03.890 --> 00:33:08.950 and cause the airlines to think that they are 00:33:08.950 --> 00:33:11.609 someplace they're not. And so they cause an airline 00:33:11.609 --> 00:33:14.829 to dive into the earth and crash rather than 00:33:14.829 --> 00:33:18.970 land safely on the runway. It turns out that's 00:33:18.970 --> 00:33:22.269 actually a possibility. For cars, what it means 00:33:22.269 --> 00:33:26.230 is that the map that the car is reading is also 00:33:26.230 --> 00:33:31.200 based upon GPS. The car's instant location is 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.859 based upon GPS to some extent. So if either the 00:33:35.859 --> 00:33:40.339 map or the car is wrong, then the car doesn't 00:33:40.339 --> 00:33:42.660 know where it is. And if there's no human supervising 00:33:42.660 --> 00:33:46.279 where the car is going, it's relying on GPS information 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.880 to some extent to know where it is. So if that's 00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.079 faulty, it can be crashing into things because 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.819 the map is no good or their location is no good. 00:33:56.190 --> 00:33:58.730 I don't think the cars are absolutely relying 00:33:58.730 --> 00:34:02.549 on this information because they also have sensors 00:34:02.549 --> 00:34:05.829 that look for obstacles near them. And they could 00:34:05.829 --> 00:34:09.309 be mapping based upon some other location information 00:34:09.309 --> 00:34:12.429 associated with the topography. But that's very 00:34:12.429 --> 00:34:14.710 complicated. So I don't think that they're doing 00:34:14.710 --> 00:34:17.909 that. But if you postulate that the cars are 00:34:17.909 --> 00:34:21.909 navigating based upon a GPS signal and you perturb 00:34:21.909 --> 00:34:25.050 the GPS signal, let's say that causing the car 00:34:25.050 --> 00:34:27.820 to think it's, 30 feet to the left of where it 00:34:27.820 --> 00:34:32.280 actually is, then it's going to crash into things 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.199 that are in the area that it thought was free 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.539 of obstacles. Does that make sense? Yeah, it 00:34:38.539 --> 00:34:42.500 makes sense. I mean, we were talking about this 00:34:42.500 --> 00:34:45.880 because of the Veritasium video that came out 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.159 last week that suggested that Russia has deployed 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:54.019 at least one and maybe a number of satellites. 00:34:56.010 --> 00:35:00.369 That can interfere with so far they've noticed 00:35:00.369 --> 00:35:05.489 the European GNSS system. We don't have any evidence 00:35:05.489 --> 00:35:07.190 that that can happen in the United States, but 00:35:07.190 --> 00:35:10.090 it looked it appeared. I don't know. I don't 00:35:10.090 --> 00:35:12.130 know if you can get full confirmation of this. 00:35:12.190 --> 00:35:15.210 It appeared that the Russian satellite that the 00:35:15.210 --> 00:35:18.630 video was talking about was operating in a spectrum 00:35:18.630 --> 00:35:22.869 that was kind of adjacent to the GPS spectrum 00:35:22.869 --> 00:35:25.389 and caused some brief interference, but that 00:35:25.389 --> 00:35:29.059 it. looked like they may be testing the technology 00:35:29.059 --> 00:35:35.480 as a way to essentially jam all GPS or GNSS systems 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.320 in Europe all at once. It looked like that it 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.800 had the capability to do that. But Russia simply 00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:44.760 hasn't used it yet. We're not sure if Russia 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.659 has other satellites that could target the United 00:35:46.659 --> 00:35:51.639 States or other continents. But it made me wonder, 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:56.539 like. Is there a redundancy that can be put in 00:35:56.539 --> 00:35:59.219 place here? Are there land -based GPS solutions? 00:35:59.420 --> 00:36:02.900 Are there ways that, you know, we can ensure 00:36:02.900 --> 00:36:06.539 that, you know, one flip of the switch in, you 00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:08.880 know, Leningrad or wherever they're operating 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:13.239 from in Russia can't kill people in cars in America? 00:36:13.780 --> 00:36:16.199 Well, number one, if they can do it in Europe, 00:36:16.300 --> 00:36:19.539 they can do it anywhere, okay? If they can create 00:36:19.539 --> 00:36:23.690 a European -wide disruption. Number two, they 00:36:23.690 --> 00:36:26.289 do this every day. It happens every day in the 00:36:26.289 --> 00:36:29.909 Ukraine war where they're interrupting the GPS 00:36:29.909 --> 00:36:33.769 signals for the flying objects that are competing 00:36:33.769 --> 00:36:36.110 with each other, right? All the drones that are 00:36:36.110 --> 00:36:39.309 out there. Yes, there are ways of correcting 00:36:39.309 --> 00:36:42.610 the information in the vehicle. You can do a 00:36:42.610 --> 00:36:44.989 couple of things. One is you can abandon the 00:36:44.989 --> 00:36:47.889 use of radio. And that's why there are so many 00:36:47.889 --> 00:36:52.260 fiber optic drones. crisscrossing Ukraine right 00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:56.139 now because they were previously using GPS for 00:36:56.139 --> 00:37:00.019 navigation. And they can't do that now because 00:37:00.019 --> 00:37:02.539 of all the radio interference that the Russians 00:37:02.539 --> 00:37:04.840 and presumably the Ukrainians are also putting 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:08.639 up locally in that area. The consequence for 00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:12.139 the vehicles and for self -driving vehicles is 00:37:12.139 --> 00:37:16.360 that if you are reliant on GPS, then there are 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.400 already mechanisms in place. or interrupting 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.380 the GPS signals. So when somebody like Zouk says 00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:25.159 there are no single point failures that are in 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.099 our control system, you got to wonder if that's 00:37:28.099 --> 00:37:31.239 really true. Because if they have engineered 00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:34.659 solutions that can navigate the vehicles in the 00:37:34.659 --> 00:37:37.800 absence of GPS, they certainly have not advertised 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.239 that widely. Now, can that be done? Yes, it can. 00:37:42.420 --> 00:37:44.820 Think of a nuclear submarine, okay? A nuclear 00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:48.019 submarine does not... Or I should have said, 00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.420 yeah, a nuclear submarine. They navigate underwater 00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:54.880 for weeks or months at a time. They cannot get 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.519 the GPS signals when they're underwater. So what 00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.980 they have is they have an inertial navigation 00:37:59.980 --> 00:38:04.719 system, which tells them where they are. And 00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:06.480 then if they know where they're supposed to be 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:08.860 and they know where they are, they can navigate 00:38:08.860 --> 00:38:12.139 to that other point. But those are very expensive. 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.559 Those are very high precision. And they allow 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.139 them to navigate for a long time, but all navigation 00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:22.420 systems are going to drift after a while. So 00:38:22.420 --> 00:38:26.159 the truth of where you are from your inertial 00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.900 navigation system always has to be qualified 00:38:28.900 --> 00:38:32.519 by within certain limits. Now, GPS is the same 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.639 way. If you have a GPS signal, you can know where 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.179 you are, but only within certain limits of a 00:38:39.179 --> 00:38:42.300 few feet. That's the best you can really do. 00:38:42.730 --> 00:38:44.449 That's good enough to know whether or not you're 00:38:44.449 --> 00:38:47.949 in a highway or you're on the wrong way in a 00:38:47.949 --> 00:38:52.030 one -way street, those kinds of things. But it 00:38:52.030 --> 00:38:55.949 can't tell you if you are six inches to the right 00:38:55.949 --> 00:38:59.309 of a traffic signal, for example, or six inches 00:38:59.309 --> 00:39:03.170 to the right of a highway painted line. It just 00:39:03.170 --> 00:39:05.409 doesn't have that kind of resolution. I ran into 00:39:05.409 --> 00:39:07.869 a problem the other day with GPS. We were driving 00:39:07.869 --> 00:39:10.280 along this road and... Google Maps is saying, 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.179 oh, keep going straight here. And we're driving 00:39:12.179 --> 00:39:15.320 underneath an underpass. And the elevated highway 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:19.800 above us is probably 75 feet above us. And it's 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.280 telling us to keep going down on the lower pass, 00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:24.619 we'll say, the street level. And all of us in 00:39:24.619 --> 00:39:26.639 the car are like, I don't think this is right. 00:39:26.780 --> 00:39:29.280 Unless something changed. We haven't been around 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.059 here in a while. What's going on? And, of course, 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:32.840 it drives us into a dead end. And it's trying 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:34.639 to tell us to go somewhere else. And we realize, 00:39:34.780 --> 00:39:38.019 oh, it thinks we're 75 feet in the air. Like 00:39:38.019 --> 00:39:40.960 it thought like it got that resolution was just 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.320 off by that's a pretty significant amount. I 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.880 mean, cause consumer level, um, GPS is what we 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.000 have in our phones that that should be accurate 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.119 within like two meters. I think it's only accurate 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.199 from the, I guess the top down. Right. Not, I 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.440 mean, no, it gets your altitude. Yeah. Yeah. 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.440 Yeah. Cause that think, think of the, the radio 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:03.420 signal it's, it's tracking from satellite down 00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:05.219 to where your receiver is. And my receivers, 00:40:05.380 --> 00:40:09.000 you know, at, at. close to street level, whereas 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.280 it would get the signal a couple of nanoseconds 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.880 quicker if I was 75 feet in the air. Is that 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:18.139 correct, Mr. Perkins? Yeah! It does give three 00:40:18.139 --> 00:40:20.460 -dimensional data. Yes, it absolutely does. I 00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:23.380 always assumed GPS was two -dimensional. No. 00:40:23.699 --> 00:40:26.480 But where are some of the problems with that? 00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:29.760 Well, there's ionospheric activity that can perturb 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.079 the signal, so that's the source of uncertainty. 00:40:32.889 --> 00:40:35.730 There are tidal motions of the actual Earth's 00:40:35.730 --> 00:40:39.170 surface. That's not just the water in the ocean 00:40:39.170 --> 00:40:42.469 that moves. It's the entire Earth's surface that 00:40:42.469 --> 00:40:45.389 moves in response to tidal motion. So there's 00:40:45.389 --> 00:40:48.010 a lot of things going on, as well as electrical 00:40:48.010 --> 00:40:51.590 disturbances, the sun, solar flares. Who knows? 00:40:51.730 --> 00:40:56.019 There's just a lot of stuff going on. The GPS 00:40:56.019 --> 00:41:01.760 is only known within certain limits. It may be 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.699 completely accurate, but that would be an accident 00:41:04.699 --> 00:41:06.380 and you would never know that it was completely 00:41:06.380 --> 00:41:09.099 accurate because you only can be certain within 00:41:09.099 --> 00:41:12.079 some limits of where you are. The consequence 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.500 for cars, though, is that if your self -driving 00:41:15.500 --> 00:41:19.539 vehicle has no way of a human correcting an error 00:41:19.539 --> 00:41:23.639 that's associated with GPS navigation. And there 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:25.920 are many sources of errors, both natural and 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.699 artificial, that can affect the location, the 00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:32.420 actual location of the vehicle relative to whatever 00:41:32.420 --> 00:41:35.239 you might have mapped or perceive using GPS. 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.119 If your car is driving itself based on that information, 00:41:38.619 --> 00:41:43.440 you've got a lot of vulnerability there, both 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:47.179 for malicious action as well as natural phenomenon 00:41:47.179 --> 00:41:51.940 that can affect the location of the car. So there's 00:41:51.940 --> 00:41:54.690 a lot at risk. Anyway, that's the consequence, 00:41:55.130 --> 00:41:57.909 purpose, the point I was trying to get across, 00:41:58.090 --> 00:42:03.130 is that the GPS is really good for some things, 00:42:03.250 --> 00:42:06.570 but it's not really good for everything. And 00:42:06.570 --> 00:42:09.730 it's not constantly available with high accuracy. 00:42:10.289 --> 00:42:14.289 And it can be perturbed by either malicious actors 00:42:14.289 --> 00:42:19.030 or natural events to cause safety consequences 00:42:19.030 --> 00:42:21.849 and fatal consequences for the self -driving 00:42:21.849 --> 00:42:24.820 car. I've never seen this addressed by anybody 00:42:24.820 --> 00:42:29.360 from the AV industry, and I think it's something 00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.280 that should really be borne in mind by people 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.659 who are regulating or attempting to regulate 00:42:33.659 --> 00:42:36.260 these vehicles. Yeah, I wonder how an AV would 00:42:36.260 --> 00:42:38.139 have handled it. I think everyone's experienced 00:42:38.139 --> 00:42:41.000 that thing of using whatever map program in their 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.019 car, and all of a sudden it just thinks you're 00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:46.000 in the wrong location, and it glitches, and it 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.750 does that whole thing. I wonder how an AV would 00:42:48.750 --> 00:42:50.369 have handled the situation that I was in the 00:42:50.369 --> 00:42:51.969 other day, like I said, where I thought I was 00:42:51.969 --> 00:42:56.389 75 feet in the air, where I clearly wasn't. I 00:42:56.389 --> 00:42:58.630 mean, because it was sending me down a dead end 00:42:58.630 --> 00:43:01.230 and it was telling me keep going straight. If 00:43:01.230 --> 00:43:02.929 I kept going straight, I would have hit a wall. 00:43:03.309 --> 00:43:06.530 So, you know, I made a turn around. And when 00:43:06.530 --> 00:43:08.469 I was doing that, the entire system was just 00:43:08.469 --> 00:43:11.010 like, no, go back, go back to where you were 00:43:11.010 --> 00:43:13.250 and go left. And I'm like, there's no left. There's 00:43:13.250 --> 00:43:15.389 no left here at all. What are you talking about? 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:18.219 I think it would have been a fun loop. You sound 00:43:18.219 --> 00:43:21.059 like a human being, Anthony, which is somewhat 00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:24.059 encouraging. So we know you're not an AI bot, 00:43:24.260 --> 00:43:29.099 so that's good. We do know that the Teslas and 00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:32.199 ride shares are dropping people off at the wrong 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:35.039 location because they are relying on their GPS 00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:38.980 sensors rather than their eyes. And this is one 00:43:38.980 --> 00:43:42.260 of the vulnerabilities unique for blind people 00:43:42.260 --> 00:43:45.239 who are trying to rely on self -driving vehicles. 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:47.800 Because you don't know if they're actually going 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.280 to give you delivery at the location where you're 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.719 expecting to be dropped off. We've already seen 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:57.260 this happen. So I think that this vulnerability 00:43:57.260 --> 00:44:02.280 is really underrated and underappreciated by 00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.739 the AV industry. So that's today's tile. That's 00:44:06.739 --> 00:44:11.219 a good one because it makes everybody... hopefully 00:44:11.219 --> 00:44:14.039 second guess their gps system i mean because 00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:16.860 again everybody's run into a glitch with it at 00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:19.539 some point and you realize oh right what happens 00:44:19.539 --> 00:44:24.079 when there's no one driving well we'll see um 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:27.019 with that go to auto safety click on uh donate 00:44:27.019 --> 00:44:30.440 and now i have to uh transition to a more serious 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.239 story not that wasn't serious this is uh from 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.710 friends of the show kids in car safety This is 00:44:37.710 --> 00:44:43.949 an article linking to from WBIW. Why does that 00:44:43.949 --> 00:44:47.829 seem weird to me? Anyway, WBIW .com. It's titled 00:44:47.829 --> 00:44:50.250 10 Children Killed in Driveway and Parking Lot 00:44:50.250 --> 00:44:53.869 Tragedies in Just 18 Days. This is surprising. 00:44:54.710 --> 00:44:58.429 We've talked about this before with forward over 00:44:58.429 --> 00:45:01.820 and rear over. where people are in their SUVs, 00:45:01.820 --> 00:45:04.079 typically, or trucks, and in their driveway, 00:45:04.139 --> 00:45:06.519 they don't see that there's a child behind them 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:08.980 or in front of them because of height differences, 00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:14.139 and they unfortunately run over the kids. According 00:45:14.139 --> 00:45:18.059 to data released by Kids and Car Safety, there's 00:45:18.059 --> 00:45:20.519 been 10 children left dead across the U .S. in 00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:24.599 just the span of 18 days. The recent cluster 00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:26.739 of fatalities highlights a largely hidden safety 00:45:26.739 --> 00:45:29.610 crisis back over and front over incidents. These 00:45:29.610 --> 00:45:31.889 tragedies occur when a driver, frequently a parent, 00:45:31.949 --> 00:45:34.530 guardian, or close relative unknowingly strikes 00:45:34.530 --> 00:45:36.809 a child who is positioned in the massive blind 00:45:36.809 --> 00:45:41.670 zone of a moving vehicle. You know, this is probably 00:45:41.670 --> 00:45:44.050 a problem that can be fixed. Instead, you know, 00:45:44.050 --> 00:45:47.650 they want to spend stuff on Waymos and whatnot. 00:45:47.949 --> 00:45:51.369 I mean, it's a problem that is occurring because 00:45:51.369 --> 00:45:56.400 vehicles are getting much larger. without corresponding 00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.960 regulations to ensure that driver visibility 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:04.460 is preserved. And also because these incidents 00:46:04.460 --> 00:46:08.360 are happening in parking lots, driveways, and 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:11.960 in places where the federal crash data and fatality 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:17.019 collection doesn't happen. You know, the FAR 00:46:17.019 --> 00:46:19.639 system, fatality analysis reporting system that 00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:23.389 NHTSA uses. to gather data on a lot of its decision 00:46:23.389 --> 00:46:29.269 -making, only takes data from crashes that occurred 00:46:29.269 --> 00:46:32.849 while vehicles were in transit, which means not 00:46:32.849 --> 00:46:36.710 on private property, on public roads. There is 00:46:36.710 --> 00:46:40.949 a not -in -transport surveillance system that 00:46:40.949 --> 00:46:44.809 does a little data gathering on these type of 00:46:44.809 --> 00:46:47.909 incidents, but we're in the middle of trying 00:46:47.909 --> 00:46:50.820 to make some efforts to get that. you know, put 00:46:50.820 --> 00:46:54.980 into law better data collection around this problem, 00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.400 just so that we can know how often it's happening. 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.820 We see here, you know, there have been 10 deaths 00:47:00.820 --> 00:47:04.300 in 18 days. So that can give you an idea if you 00:47:04.300 --> 00:47:07.000 expand that across a year, just how often this 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.400 is happening. And these are situations where 00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:13.260 vehicles are, you know, not going fast. They're 00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:16.739 in a driveway backing out or in a driveway pulling 00:47:16.739 --> 00:47:20.050 forward or, you know. driving in a parking lot 00:47:20.050 --> 00:47:23.869 at lower speeds and children and other people 00:47:23.869 --> 00:47:26.190 are being caught in the crossfire, essentially. 00:47:26.449 --> 00:47:29.610 So we think there are automatic systems, you 00:47:29.610 --> 00:47:31.690 know, similar to automatic emergency braking. 00:47:31.929 --> 00:47:33.869 Why isn't, you know, automatic emergency braking 00:47:33.869 --> 00:47:36.909 doesn't work under, I think it's 6 .2 miles per 00:47:36.909 --> 00:47:39.050 hour or something like that, which, you know, 00:47:39.050 --> 00:47:41.909 a car running over a child, even at a low speed, 00:47:42.010 --> 00:47:45.530 poses a significant threat of severe injury or 00:47:45.530 --> 00:47:49.440 death. These are areas where we think NHTSA needs 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.920 to put a little more pressure on automakers to 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:56.159 do things. And they are doing some things. They 00:47:56.159 --> 00:48:01.980 recently released a study or a rule that they're 00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:04.980 preparing around rear automatic emergency braking. 00:48:05.260 --> 00:48:07.500 It's actually for NCAP. They're going to start 00:48:07.500 --> 00:48:10.219 evaluating the performance of rear automatic 00:48:10.219 --> 00:48:13.599 emergency braking, which plays into the backover 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:19.230 events. There's still not a. front over definition 00:48:19.230 --> 00:48:21.250 in federal law. There's some other issues there, 00:48:21.349 --> 00:48:23.250 and there's some legislation that we think is 00:48:23.250 --> 00:48:25.070 going to be coming up in the next month or so 00:48:25.070 --> 00:48:27.809 that's going to address that. So it's worth keeping 00:48:27.809 --> 00:48:31.909 an eye on this space because this is a problem 00:48:31.909 --> 00:48:35.010 that has continued for many, many years. It's 00:48:35.010 --> 00:48:37.550 only getting worse due to the larger vehicles 00:48:37.550 --> 00:48:40.230 involved. And, you know, it's something that 00:48:40.230 --> 00:48:42.469 I think needs to be addressed, even though it's 00:48:42.469 --> 00:48:45.409 not happening on public roads. It's happening 00:48:45.409 --> 00:48:48.130 in driveways and in private space. which makes 00:48:48.130 --> 00:48:51.409 the collecting the data difficult just means 00:48:51.409 --> 00:48:53.070 that there's still some work to be done here. 00:48:54.170 --> 00:48:56.610 Yeah, I'd like to remind people that these are 00:48:56.610 --> 00:48:59.929 not necessarily, you know, negligent people or, 00:48:59.949 --> 00:49:02.110 you know, people with bad motives. They just 00:49:02.110 --> 00:49:04.289 had the worst day of their life. And it's this 00:49:04.289 --> 00:49:08.829 can literally happen to anybody. You know, take 00:49:08.829 --> 00:49:11.110 a couple, you know, take a minute and walk around 00:49:11.110 --> 00:49:15.369 your vehicle beforehand because this is just. 00:49:16.190 --> 00:49:19.570 It's a problem that can be solved, and it's horrible 00:49:19.570 --> 00:49:26.150 if it happens to you. With that, I want to try 00:49:26.150 --> 00:49:28.369 and change the mood a little bit before we end. 00:49:28.710 --> 00:49:32.250 Let's switch and go into a deep cleansing breath. 00:49:33.329 --> 00:49:38.670 In, out. Fred Perkins, what state has the most 00:49:38.670 --> 00:49:42.889 aggressive drivers, the most road rage? Oh, man, 00:49:42.969 --> 00:49:46.139 that's a tough one. I do not know. I'm going 00:49:46.139 --> 00:49:50.360 to guess it's Oklahoma. Oh, that's a pretty good 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.199 guess. Michael Brooks, you already know the answer. 00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.239 Hold on. Before you knew the answer, what would 00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:01.619 be your guess? You know, I think I might have 00:50:01.619 --> 00:50:03.780 guessed Florida just because it's a little wild 00:50:03.780 --> 00:50:06.079 down there. I would have guessed Connecticut. 00:50:06.619 --> 00:50:09.480 But the answer is, according to Consumer Affairs, 00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:13.179 Arkansas. I was right next door. We were so close. 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.039 I very, very close. Did you know they have lots 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:20.639 of piggly wigglies in Arkansas? I did. Do they? 00:50:20.699 --> 00:50:25.860 Show is over. Yeah. According to this article, 00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:29.019 traffic incidents involving gun violence, point 00:50:29.019 --> 00:50:31.780 three, six per one hundred thousand people. Holy 00:50:31.780 --> 00:50:34.940 crap. That's that's not that high. And that's 00:50:34.940 --> 00:50:37.760 not that high. It was one point six nine. That's 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:41.559 the highest. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's why. stop 00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.000 carrying a gun well really what are you doing 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.400 okay look there's surgeries you can get done 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:50.480 to enhance your yourself in a way there's hair 00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.239 clinics in turkey there's you know there's there's 00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:55.500 all sorts of things you can do to feel more like 00:50:55.500 --> 00:50:58.119 a go buy a cyber truck if that makes you feel 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:01.159 this is anthony's second career is advising advising 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:05.079 on masculinity his life coach yeah yeah it's 00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.159 i'm life coaching okay you don't need a pistol 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:11.480 you need a Uh, Hey, a different show. Uh, you 00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:13.679 know, fatal accidents involving aggressive or 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.900 careless driving 8 .3 per 100 ,000 people. That 00:51:16.900 --> 00:51:19.260 is the highest in the U S they accounted for 00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:23.380 47 % of all fatal crashes in the state. Now I, 00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:28.000 uh, I've never been to Arkansas. Uh, so I can't 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:31.579 speak on its behalf, but shame, shame on you, 00:51:31.659 --> 00:51:35.619 Arkansas. Come on. I've driven across Arkansas 00:51:35.619 --> 00:51:39.929 exactly once. And my big takeaway from it was 00:51:39.929 --> 00:51:45.289 the existence of a town called Toad Lick. That's 00:51:45.289 --> 00:51:47.130 pretty good. So I'm going to go down this list 00:51:47.130 --> 00:51:50.030 to find where we think our suspects were. So, 00:51:50.090 --> 00:51:55.750 Fred, yours was what? What state did you choose 00:51:55.750 --> 00:52:00.150 again? Oklahoma. No, Oklahoma. Oklahoma does 00:52:00.150 --> 00:52:03.550 not make the top 10. No, they're 37. Yeah, Florida 00:52:03.550 --> 00:52:06.909 does not make the top 10. Florida is, where's 00:52:06.909 --> 00:52:11.010 Florida? 12th. 12th, ah, so close. I chose Connecticut, 00:52:11.230 --> 00:52:15.070 13th. Ah, pretty good. But the top 10, Arkansas, 00:52:15.389 --> 00:52:18.710 New Mexico, Louisiana, Colorado, New Jersey comes 00:52:18.710 --> 00:52:21.469 in at number five. Sounds about right. Nevada, 00:52:21.849 --> 00:52:25.349 Montana, which is surprising because my experience 00:52:25.349 --> 00:52:28.210 there were very conscientious drivers. Wisconsin, 00:52:28.610 --> 00:52:32.599 Hawaii. Also, surprising. I thought their roads 00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.280 were great. And 10, North Carolina. Ooh, I have 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:37.000 to go to North Carolina in a few weeks. Uh -oh. 00:52:37.380 --> 00:52:41.039 I'm not driving, though. Washington, D .C. only 00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.260 made 18th. Washington, D .C. should honestly 00:52:43.260 --> 00:52:46.059 be much higher, considering that the road layout 00:52:46.059 --> 00:52:49.340 was designed by somebody who hates people. Again, 00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:51.400 I'd like to point out, I lived on D Street. It 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.059 was parallel to itself. Not for the entire thing, 00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:58.539 just for random segments. Like, very strange 00:52:58.539 --> 00:53:02.659 place. And the safest one coming in at number 00:53:02.659 --> 00:53:08.980 51, Maine. Love Maine. Anyway, with that, ladies 00:53:08.980 --> 00:53:10.719 and gentlemen, I think that concludes our show 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:12.500 for this week. Hopefully we didn't miss any amazing 00:53:12.500 --> 00:53:14.860 stories. Sure, Ford probably recalled everything. 00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:19.420 We missed that. Waymo started, you know, stopping. 00:53:20.500 --> 00:53:23.760 Next to school buses and they say this is a improvement 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:25.619 and we're working and safety is our number one 00:53:25.619 --> 00:53:29.880 priority. Kathy Wood said something stupid. Elon 00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:35.480 Musk, you know, had another child. And with that, 00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:37.380 that concludes our show. Thanks so much. Bye 00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:41.659 bye. Bye bye. For more information, visit www 00:53:41.659 --> 00:53:43.719 .autosafety .org.