WEBVTT 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:05.559 You're listening to there auto be a law, the 00:00:05.559 --> 00:00:08.240 center for auto safety podcast with executive 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:11.720 director, Michael Brooks, chief engineer, Fred 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:15.619 Perkins, and hosted by me, Anthony Cimino. For 00:00:15.619 --> 00:00:18.300 over 50 years, the center for auto safety has 00:00:18.300 --> 00:00:25.059 worked to make cars safer. Hey, listeners today 00:00:25.059 --> 00:00:28.980 is wednesday april 29th this episode is brought 00:00:28.980 --> 00:00:32.420 to you by sunshine and happiness and all good 00:00:32.420 --> 00:00:37.340 things in the world not rain no flash flooding 00:00:37.340 --> 00:00:40.200 no not flash flooding oh if you're it's flash 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:42.979 flooding let's hope you're not in a waymo uh 00:00:42.979 --> 00:00:46.219 because you know let's start with that uh there's 00:00:46.219 --> 00:00:50.200 a waymo that i in this from the san antonio express 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.579 news Waymo service in San Antonio is still paused 00:00:53.579 --> 00:00:57.039 after floodwaters wash away robo -taxi. So the 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:00.820 all -seeing eye of the Waymo, the thing that 00:01:00.820 --> 00:01:03.539 doesn't drive drunk, doesn't drive distracted, 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:06.719 is better than people. It smells great. Once 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:09.420 you do it, you get taller. Your diet improves. 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:12.700 Your cholesterol lowers. I couldn't see a giant 00:01:12.700 --> 00:01:17.239 puddle. Quoting from this article, Waymo's ride 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.200 -hailing services remain paused in San Antonio 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:21.659 four days after one of its driverless cars was 00:01:21.659 --> 00:01:24.140 washed away by floodwaters in the city Monday 00:01:24.140 --> 00:01:27.519 night. Waymo hasn't disclosed where its car was 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:31.519 when it was swept away. And Waymo says, as a 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:33.500 result of flooding in San Antonio, we temporarily 00:01:33.500 --> 00:01:35.700 paused our local operations and are continuing 00:01:35.700 --> 00:01:39.420 to monitor road conditions. Now, keep in mind, 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:42.760 this is Waymo saying. We come on the road. Everything's 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:44.719 going to be great. I've got some amazing quotes 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.739 from a Waymo person later. Everything is incredible. 00:01:48.060 --> 00:01:52.260 All this is so good. Our car couldn't handle 00:01:52.260 --> 00:01:57.180 flooding. And, you know, but, you know, those 00:01:57.180 --> 00:01:58.799 emergency service people, they'll get out there 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:02.959 and somehow safely remove a giant wet battery. 00:02:04.340 --> 00:02:07.719 That was my takeaway. So they've they've suspended 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.539 service in San Antonio, which is, you know, more 00:02:10.539 --> 00:02:12.580 than they've done, you know, in Austin, Atlanta, 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:15.580 when they continue to pass school buses and can't 00:02:15.580 --> 00:02:19.520 fix that issue. But this flash flooding problem 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:23.300 is not it's not something new. It looks like, 00:02:23.300 --> 00:02:25.539 you know, looking back, they've had problems. 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:27.819 I mean, they had they had in Phoenix, they had 00:02:27.819 --> 00:02:30.060 a vehicle drive into a flash flood and reverse 00:02:30.060 --> 00:02:33.099 out in L .A. They had one get stuck in it. They 00:02:33.099 --> 00:02:37.360 had to shut down. operations in san francisco 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:40.259 on christmas day because of the flash flood warning 00:02:40.259 --> 00:02:44.280 so they're keenly aware of the problems here 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:46.560 so it's interesting that you know this happens 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:48.699 in san antonio and all of a sudden they're shutting 00:02:48.699 --> 00:02:52.539 down operations when they didn't do so in those 00:02:52.539 --> 00:02:54.719 in those previous circumstances so it raises 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:56.800 a lot of questions about you know what's going 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:59.960 on here and i like the fact that they haven't 00:02:59.960 --> 00:03:03.539 told anybody where exactly this vehicle was like 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:07.060 Mike, even just the San Antonio emergency responders 00:03:07.060 --> 00:03:10.099 and tow truck drivers who had to fish this vehicle, 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:13.080 can't they tell us where it was? Because I think 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.419 they could add a little detail. I don't think 00:03:15.419 --> 00:03:18.280 it would be too difficult to figure that out. 00:03:19.539 --> 00:03:23.340 All right. But anyway, it doesn't matter really 00:03:23.340 --> 00:03:25.800 where it was. I mean, if it was, you know, wherever 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.219 the flash flood is occurring and the vehicle's 00:03:28.219 --> 00:03:31.849 not. being able to detect it is the problem. 00:03:31.990 --> 00:03:34.069 And, you know, I haven't seen this yet. I was 00:03:34.069 --> 00:03:35.870 waiting to see if someone was going to call this 00:03:35.870 --> 00:03:38.870 an edge case so we can talk about that. But, 00:03:38.969 --> 00:03:42.590 you know, this is a very well -known problem, 00:03:42.689 --> 00:03:46.270 you know, in virtually anywhere in America that's 00:03:46.270 --> 00:03:49.229 prone to flash flooding and a problem that might 00:03:49.229 --> 00:03:52.509 be getting worse as the years go by. And autonomous 00:03:52.509 --> 00:03:55.889 vehicles are going to have to account. for flooded 00:03:55.889 --> 00:03:58.110 streets and their operations. And if they can't 00:03:58.110 --> 00:04:00.830 do that yet, then, you know, they certainly shouldn't 00:04:00.830 --> 00:04:06.969 be operating in conditions that are favorable 00:04:06.969 --> 00:04:10.509 for flooding on streets. Well, now, Fred, I am 00:04:10.509 --> 00:04:11.949 going to ask you some questions here. You ready 00:04:11.949 --> 00:04:16.649 for it, Fred? Go for it. OK, great. So a flash 00:04:16.649 --> 00:04:19.709 flooding event, short of a levee breaking unexpectedly, 00:04:19.949 --> 00:04:23.980 is not. Something that just, as the name implies, 00:04:24.060 --> 00:04:26.060 all of a sudden it's a nice sunny day. Then the 00:04:26.060 --> 00:04:30.139 roads flooded. Is that correct? Well, that could, 00:04:30.180 --> 00:04:32.939 that could happen depending on how far away the 00:04:32.939 --> 00:04:35.240 rain is. And the, you know, you can have events 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:38.800 where it's sunny out and rain far away can cause 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:43.100 flooding. Nevermind. I withdraw all my questions. 00:04:44.459 --> 00:04:47.860 All right. Thanks for playing. But with this, 00:04:47.860 --> 00:04:49.279 I'm going to go into, I'm going to go right into 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:52.639 my gas light. So this morning, I had a gas light 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:56.639 all set up. And then this guy, Phil Kopman, posts 00:04:56.639 --> 00:05:01.019 on LinkedIn a link to a video about Waymo in 00:05:01.019 --> 00:05:03.500 Austin. And it's a pretty good news report. We 00:05:03.500 --> 00:05:08.959 have a link to it from KXAN. And it has on it 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:11.579 this guy, David Margin, I'm going to pronounce 00:05:11.579 --> 00:05:14.379 it. He is the Waymo Director of Product Management. 00:05:15.259 --> 00:05:19.470 And he says, I'm quoting here. Every week, an 00:05:19.470 --> 00:05:21.790 injury -causing collision is avoided because 00:05:21.790 --> 00:05:27.110 a Waymo is on the road. Wow. The balls on this 00:05:27.110 --> 00:05:30.290 man to say this with a straight face. He also 00:05:30.290 --> 00:05:33.730 said that Waymo welcomes regulations. Pretended 00:05:33.730 --> 00:05:35.629 they're not scared, but then, you know, was quick 00:05:35.629 --> 00:05:38.889 to clarify that with basically a statement saying, 00:05:39.009 --> 00:05:41.670 but they have to be the regulations that we want 00:05:41.670 --> 00:05:45.649 in place, right? They keep referencing that bullshit 00:05:45.649 --> 00:05:52.220 Waymo report. Made up numbers that say 92 % or 00:05:52.220 --> 00:05:56.839 94 % or whatever. Fewer accidents. And that is 00:05:56.839 --> 00:06:02.519 complete PR bullshit. Even the references on 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:08.079 the Waymo website refute that estimate. So everybody 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.199 just accepts this. It is amazing to see the creation 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:14.420 of an urban myth that everybody just accepts 00:06:14.420 --> 00:06:17.060 without challenging it at all. Is that what reporters 00:06:17.060 --> 00:06:21.250 do? They just seem to absorb nonsense and broadcast 00:06:21.250 --> 00:06:24.589 it. Yeah, they go. I mean, I guess reporters 00:06:24.589 --> 00:06:27.310 are going to the source and reporting what they're 00:06:27.310 --> 00:06:31.170 saying. So. And it's up to us, I guess, at that 00:06:31.170 --> 00:06:33.790 point to decide. Yeah. So further in this video, 00:06:33.889 --> 00:06:35.509 it's great because they have like a local police 00:06:35.509 --> 00:06:38.009 chief and he talks. He's asked, you know, if 00:06:38.009 --> 00:06:39.889 they're committing all of these violations and 00:06:39.889 --> 00:06:42.029 there's tons and tons of violations, how come 00:06:42.029 --> 00:06:44.769 these way most as I've asked numerous times, 00:06:44.850 --> 00:06:47.259 how come they're not getting tickets? And he 00:06:47.259 --> 00:06:50.240 said that the police have to a police officer 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:51.839 can't just hand out a ticket like they would 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:55.620 to you or me. They have to write an affidavit 00:06:55.620 --> 00:06:58.300 to cite the Waymo. They have to bring that in 00:06:58.300 --> 00:07:00.279 to the office to someone. They have to look up 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.100 who the registered agent is. Basically, there's 00:07:02.100 --> 00:07:04.759 tons of paperwork has to be sent to a judge and 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:08.980 sent back. And as opposed to just handing a person 00:07:08.980 --> 00:07:12.160 a ticket, this requires a ridiculous Byzantine 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:14.379 level of work to actually cite them. That's why 00:07:14.379 --> 00:07:17.490 so few have been cited. Except school buses, 00:07:17.569 --> 00:07:19.949 somehow they managed to they have a carve out 00:07:19.949 --> 00:07:21.870 for this. And so they've already school buses 00:07:21.870 --> 00:07:25.769 in Austin have filed 25 civil violations because 00:07:25.769 --> 00:07:28.569 there are tons of videos of these things driving 00:07:28.569 --> 00:07:31.689 past stop school bus arms, which we know is a 00:07:31.689 --> 00:07:35.870 problem. And, you know, this is great. What Waymo 00:07:35.870 --> 00:07:37.769 says when they're confronted with this saying, 00:07:37.870 --> 00:07:40.720 hey. You keep violating this stuff. They said, 00:07:40.779 --> 00:07:44.019 well, even when we've stopped school buses, our 00:07:44.019 --> 00:07:46.779 ability to detect and avoid vulnerable road users 00:07:46.779 --> 00:07:50.480 was fully functional. This reminds me of a drunk 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:52.759 driver. So is a humans, right? So is a humans 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:55.339 when they pass a stopped school bus. They still 00:07:55.339 --> 00:07:58.120 retain the ability to dodge children, right? 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.360 Hopefully. That doesn't really distinguish you 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.399 from human operators. Well, he's drunk for Kool 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:08.879 -Aid. And it's embarrassing to... Have somebody 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:12.399 say that, but I guess, you know, when you're, 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:15.839 what do they say? It's hard to convince people 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:19.839 something is true when their paycheck depends 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.519 on their believing the nonsense. Right. I mean, 00:08:22.540 --> 00:08:24.639 this is literally the excuse of a drunk person. 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:27.279 Yeah, I blew through that stop sign, but I know 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:29.920 what I was doing. I wasn't going to cause a problem. 00:08:30.699 --> 00:08:33.580 And then one last piece from this here, and this 00:08:33.580 --> 00:08:35.879 is again from our friend David Margin, the Waymo 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.279 Director of Product Management. And highly paid 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:43.419 tool. Talking about, again, citations and why 00:08:43.419 --> 00:08:45.320 they're not getting tickets. And he said, a $300 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.600 ticket to a person is a great motivator. But 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:51.919 we, Waymo, we already have this motivation. So 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:54.840 we don't need tickets because we want to earn 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.399 your trust. Next time you're pulled over, ladies 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.620 and gentlemen, say, look, I don't need this ticket. 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.799 I don't need points on my license. I already 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:09.240 motivated. To not get charged. Oh, shit. You 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:12.700 caught me doing 78 in a school bus zone. I think 00:09:12.700 --> 00:09:14.379 that's a great strategy. I'm going to try that. 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:18.659 And I'll reference you. Thanks. This is my gaslight 00:09:18.659 --> 00:09:21.059 of the week. It goes to Phil Copeland from last 00:09:21.059 --> 00:09:24.000 minute making me change what my gaslight would 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.460 be. No, it's David Margin, Waymo director of 00:09:26.460 --> 00:09:29.220 product management. God, I'm sure he makes a 00:09:29.220 --> 00:09:32.559 lot of money. Who would like to go next, gentlemen? 00:09:33.650 --> 00:09:36.830 Top that. I'll go next. I've got Zooks on tap. 00:09:37.309 --> 00:09:40.049 So you remember a couple of weeks ago we talked 00:09:40.049 --> 00:09:43.529 about terms of service? Yes. So I was wondering 00:09:43.529 --> 00:09:46.450 what Zooks is on about terms of service. So I 00:09:46.450 --> 00:09:49.769 went to their website. And before you can get 00:09:49.769 --> 00:09:54.750 into it, you have to sign up to their, or you 00:09:54.750 --> 00:09:56.509 have to register an account, I guess is what 00:09:56.509 --> 00:10:01.070 it is. And the account setup requires only two 00:10:01.070 --> 00:10:03.809 acknowledgments. One. is an acknowledgement that 00:10:03.809 --> 00:10:06.529 you've accepted the terms of service. And the 00:10:06.529 --> 00:10:09.629 other is that you're at least 18. There's no 00:10:09.629 --> 00:10:12.730 warnings of any other stuff. So I was wondering 00:10:12.730 --> 00:10:15.730 what is built into their terms of service that 00:10:15.730 --> 00:10:19.730 probably should be warned before people click 00:10:19.730 --> 00:10:21.850 a box that says, yeah, I've accepted all this. 00:10:22.649 --> 00:10:28.070 And so the first thing it says inside the terms 00:10:28.070 --> 00:10:31.110 of service is the Zoox Robotaxi is a demonstration 00:10:31.110 --> 00:10:33.980 vehicle. Subject to an exemption from applicable 00:10:33.980 --> 00:10:37.860 federal motor vehicle safety standards. Gee, 00:10:37.940 --> 00:10:40.299 I would think people signing up for that service 00:10:40.299 --> 00:10:44.659 might be interested in that. It says, it goes 00:10:44.659 --> 00:10:47.379 on, you are responsible for safety exiting the 00:10:47.379 --> 00:10:50.299 Zooks vehicle, you alone, including monitoring 00:10:50.299 --> 00:10:53.279 traffic, road, and curb conditions, and determining 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:56.080 whether it's safe. So they absolve themselves 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:00.759 of responsibility for any safe egress. If you 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:03.940 fail to report any damage online, we may determine 00:11:03.940 --> 00:11:07.000 in our sole discretion that you or your guests 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.860 caused the damage. So good luck with your credit 00:11:09.860 --> 00:11:12.360 card, folks. They've got the right to charge 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:16.840 you whatever they want. You and Zooks agree that 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:21.360 any dispute between you and Zooks, editing here, 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:25.500 and the relationship between us shall be resolved 00:11:25.500 --> 00:11:28.740 only by final and binding bilateral arbitration. 00:11:30.539 --> 00:11:33.980 So, again, you're screwed, folks, and you should 00:11:33.980 --> 00:11:36.519 probably think about this. You therefore understand 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:38.460 and agree that by entering into these terms, 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:41.200 you and Zooks are each waiving the right to a 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.960 trial by jury and the right to participate in 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:48.720 a class or representative action. You expressly 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:50.620 agree that you and your guests use the services 00:11:50.620 --> 00:11:53.960 at your own risk. We make no warranties or guarantees. 00:11:55.259 --> 00:11:58.850 To the fullest extent possible by law. The Zooks 00:11:58.850 --> 00:12:01.509 party's maximum liability will not exceed the 00:12:01.509 --> 00:12:04.330 greater or the actual amount you paid for the 00:12:04.330 --> 00:12:09.409 service or $100. And then it says the maximum 00:12:09.409 --> 00:12:11.669 aggregate liability of the Zooks parties, if 00:12:11.669 --> 00:12:14.230 you have a guest under these terms and conditions, 00:12:14.529 --> 00:12:16.970 uh, damages, losses, blah, blah, blah, shall 00:12:16.970 --> 00:12:21.809 not exceed $2 ,500. So if you're escorting your 00:12:21.809 --> 00:12:26.330 daughter to her violin lesson, and the car crashes 00:12:26.330 --> 00:12:29.190 and you lose the life of your daughter, well, 00:12:29.230 --> 00:12:33.070 congratulations, you may get $2 ,500. Michael, 00:12:33.169 --> 00:12:36.169 there's no limitations on the extent of these 00:12:36.169 --> 00:12:41.529 terms that's listed in the, let's see, what's 00:12:41.529 --> 00:12:43.370 my statement here? Michael, if you accepted these 00:12:43.370 --> 00:12:47.389 terms on Tuesday for a ride to the local Piggly 00:12:47.389 --> 00:12:50.629 Wiggly, and on the next Sunday, you're run over 00:12:50.629 --> 00:12:53.409 by a Zoox vehicle, are they still protected by 00:12:53.409 --> 00:12:55.590 the agreement? Because I didn't see any expiration 00:12:55.590 --> 00:12:57.769 date or I didn't see any limitations on them. 00:12:57.889 --> 00:12:59.830 Yeah, I mean, as far as you know, they've already 00:12:59.830 --> 00:13:03.769 changed the terms under you in the interim period 00:13:03.769 --> 00:13:06.570 to make it even worse. So, I mean, look, the 00:13:06.570 --> 00:13:08.809 contracts we have with these companies are completely 00:13:08.809 --> 00:13:11.309 in their favor and can be modified at any time 00:13:11.309 --> 00:13:14.190 to suit their preferences. They're not there 00:13:14.190 --> 00:13:17.789 to protect you. Well, shouldn't a reasonable 00:13:17.789 --> 00:13:20.710 person at least be warned that, you know, you're 00:13:20.710 --> 00:13:26.779 giving up your... rights and your future before 00:13:26.779 --> 00:13:29.139 you sign up for the rights of the piggly wiggly. 00:13:29.340 --> 00:13:32.080 I mean, it seems to be really... The warning 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:34.860 is in that very long document that no one reads, 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:40.799 right? Yeah, except for us, of course. But shouldn't 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:43.620 the reasonable states that are licensing these 00:13:43.620 --> 00:13:47.799 things require that people at least get some 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.460 warning of the terms in the policy that are... 00:13:50.909 --> 00:13:54.210 by the company put in all the caps. So they shouted 00:13:54.210 --> 00:13:56.909 at you when you read through the terms of service. 00:13:57.029 --> 00:14:00.230 This just seems incredibly unreasonable to me. 00:14:00.309 --> 00:14:05.190 And what their objective appears to be to take 00:14:05.190 --> 00:14:08.490 the entire population of the country away from 00:14:08.490 --> 00:14:11.830 the courts and the ability to get any reasonable 00:14:11.830 --> 00:14:15.799 compensation as they dominate the public. Am 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:18.860 I missing something? That would be their vision. 00:14:18.980 --> 00:14:22.519 Yes. I want to ask something of our legal expert 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:26.840 here. So, Michael, I I sign this agreement or 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:29.700 I click the checkbox that says, yes, I agree 00:14:29.700 --> 00:14:34.820 to waive my rights to trial by jury. What what's 00:14:34.820 --> 00:14:38.159 the one requirement to be a U .S. citizen? I 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:40.639 mean, these days it's up in the air. There's 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:42.980 only one requirement, according to the U .S. 00:14:42.980 --> 00:14:47.120 Constitution. For citizenship. If you're born. 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:52.539 No, it's to serve on a jury. Oh, a requirement 00:14:52.539 --> 00:14:55.919 for citizens to perform. I thought you were asking, 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.580 what is the requirement for being a citizen? 00:14:58.740 --> 00:15:02.980 No, no. I apologize for misdirecting you, but 00:15:02.980 --> 00:15:04.519 I was too focused on what I was going to get 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:09.000 at the Piggly Wiggly. All right. Fred, so that's 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.850 your gaslight. That's my gaslighter. That's a 00:15:11.850 --> 00:15:13.850 good one. All right. Congratulations to Zoox. 00:15:14.509 --> 00:15:17.909 Michael, gaslight us. All right. We're going 00:15:17.909 --> 00:15:21.129 back to an issue that continues to come up because 00:15:21.129 --> 00:15:26.070 Republicans continue to try to raise this in, 00:15:26.090 --> 00:15:29.330 you know, appropriations fights. And here we've 00:15:29.330 --> 00:15:34.720 got a basically that there's a FISA. work going 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:37.419 on in Congress. And, you know, Representative 00:15:37.419 --> 00:15:41.820 Chip Roy is trying to attach provisions into 00:15:41.820 --> 00:15:46.159 the funding for FISA that would tackle what he 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:48.519 thinks is another type of surveillance, and that 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:50.919 would be the alcohol impairment prevention systems 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:53.639 that NHTSA is currently considering rulemakings 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:58.490 on. This is yet another. person saying that these 00:15:58.490 --> 00:16:01.350 systems are surveillance, which I suppose is 00:16:01.350 --> 00:16:05.850 the, you know, the bank shot type logic that 00:16:05.850 --> 00:16:08.690 they're using to try to get this addressed in 00:16:08.690 --> 00:16:13.149 the FISA stuff. But, you know, once again, you 00:16:13.149 --> 00:16:16.450 know, I think it was Thomas Massey from Kentucky 00:16:16.450 --> 00:16:19.210 before. Now it's Chip Roy from Texas using this 00:16:19.210 --> 00:16:24.669 nonsense arguments to. try to convince people 00:16:24.669 --> 00:16:27.029 that there's some type of surveillance going 00:16:27.029 --> 00:16:30.409 on here. I just need to break it to Chip and 00:16:30.409 --> 00:16:33.309 to Thomas Massey, who are coming out and saying 00:16:33.309 --> 00:16:36.669 that this is some. you know, new horrible thing 00:16:36.669 --> 00:16:38.350 that's happening to the government is mandating 00:16:38.350 --> 00:16:41.529 your cars. The automakers and the insurance companies 00:16:41.529 --> 00:16:44.710 to a great extent are already surveilling you 00:16:44.710 --> 00:16:47.190 and what you do and your cars at all times. Some 00:16:47.190 --> 00:16:49.149 of the automakers are selling that information 00:16:49.149 --> 00:16:52.870 to insurers. Some of them are selling it to data 00:16:52.870 --> 00:16:55.230 merchants that could ultimately be bought by 00:16:55.230 --> 00:16:58.870 almost anyone out there, including really nefarious 00:16:58.870 --> 00:17:01.909 parties. So you're already being surveilled in 00:17:01.909 --> 00:17:04.890 your cars. And the important thing part of this 00:17:04.890 --> 00:17:06.829 is that the impairment prevention technology 00:17:06.829 --> 00:17:10.569 that's being proposed doesn't necessitate surveillance 00:17:10.569 --> 00:17:13.609 of any type. There is no requirement that it 00:17:13.609 --> 00:17:16.170 surveil humans. There's no requirement that it 00:17:16.170 --> 00:17:20.190 stores the information. It's gathering. You know, 00:17:20.230 --> 00:17:24.089 this is all going to happen in the NHTSA rulemaking 00:17:24.089 --> 00:17:26.910 that has just barely begun on implementation 00:17:26.910 --> 00:17:31.440 of these systems. And NHTSA could. put in that 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:34.160 rulemaking that automakers are required to delete 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:36.960 any information gained from the systems using 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:41.259 or the systems that are behind impairment monitoring 00:17:41.259 --> 00:17:45.319 to be erased immediately and not used by anyone. 00:17:45.539 --> 00:17:49.000 You know, the auto industry and the automakers 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:51.640 are the ones who want to monetize your data, 00:17:51.740 --> 00:17:55.920 right? They're making a lot of money doing that. 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:59.920 So instead of attacking a federal mandate to 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:03.700 prevent drunk drivers from killing people, you 00:18:03.700 --> 00:18:07.019 should be attacking the corporations who are 00:18:07.019 --> 00:18:09.740 monetizing all of this data that they're gathering 00:18:09.740 --> 00:18:14.140 on you and your car. So that their entire, you 00:18:14.140 --> 00:18:17.839 know, they're using this, you know. roundabout, 00:18:18.140 --> 00:18:21.339 you know, Fourth Amendment arguments that don't 00:18:21.339 --> 00:18:25.440 make any sense. There's no state here mandating 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:29.079 a surveillance system. There is the United States 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:33.220 mandating a system that can prevent drunks from 00:18:33.220 --> 00:18:36.339 killing people. It doesn't go much further than 00:18:36.339 --> 00:18:38.660 that. And, you know, this is just essentially 00:18:38.660 --> 00:18:42.339 Chip Roy is just the latest in a number of politicians 00:18:42.339 --> 00:18:46.500 who, in my opinion, are defending the right of 00:18:46.500 --> 00:18:50.079 people that want to drive drunk, which is not 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:52.740 a right. It's not even a privilege. It's illegal. 00:18:53.099 --> 00:18:56.039 So for that, Chip, Gaslight of the Week for you, 00:18:56.099 --> 00:18:59.079 buddy. I'm not saying I work in Hollywood casting, 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:01.700 nor am I saying that Chip Roy would be an actor, 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:04.599 but. If I were to cast somebody to play the role 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.799 of drunk driver, I'd cast somebody who looks 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.900 a lot like Chip Roy. He goes on this. I'm going 00:19:10.900 --> 00:19:13.140 to quote from he put this on Twitter. Keep in 00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:15.700 mind, this is something he posted on Twitter. 00:19:16.460 --> 00:19:19.720 There is an appropriation amendments to defund 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:22.779 vehicle kill switches. Dems snuck into legislation 00:19:22.779 --> 00:19:26.940 years ago. They didn't. That needs unanimous 00:19:26.940 --> 00:19:28.990 conservative support. The federal government 00:19:28.990 --> 00:19:31.009 should get the heck out of our cars and trucks, 00:19:31.089 --> 00:19:34.670 and no company or third party should invasively 00:19:34.670 --> 00:19:39.730 track us. Kill the track our movements. Posted 00:19:39.730 --> 00:19:45.950 using a cell phone on Twitter. The cognitive 00:19:45.950 --> 00:19:51.490 disconnect here is outstanding. It is. It is 00:19:51.490 --> 00:19:56.750 pretty outstanding. It's just a shame that. You 00:19:56.750 --> 00:20:01.190 know, you've got this huge problem that represents 00:20:01.190 --> 00:20:03.630 almost a third of the crashes. crash deaths on 00:20:03.630 --> 00:20:05.930 our roads every year. We've got potential ways 00:20:05.930 --> 00:20:08.650 to solve it. And yet, you know, this is the real 00:20:08.650 --> 00:20:10.670 Luddites. You know, I think some people probably 00:20:10.670 --> 00:20:13.789 refer to us as Luddites for our opposition to 00:20:13.789 --> 00:20:16.210 autonomous vehicles that are unproven from a 00:20:16.210 --> 00:20:19.089 safety perspective, despite all the crazy claims 00:20:19.089 --> 00:20:20.869 we hear from them. But this is a real Luddite. 00:20:20.930 --> 00:20:23.029 You've got technology here that can actually 00:20:23.029 --> 00:20:26.349 save thousands of lives every year by preventing, 00:20:26.470 --> 00:20:29.869 you know, a scourge on our roads. And people 00:20:29.869 --> 00:20:33.180 are making arguments as though you know, this 00:20:33.180 --> 00:20:35.799 technology is somehow going to turn them into 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:39.099 the CIA and the FBI and, you know, you know, 00:20:39.099 --> 00:20:41.220 result in their grandmother being thrown in jail. 00:20:41.380 --> 00:20:44.000 It's not none of that. None of that is happening 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:45.960 here. This is all a smokescreen that's being 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:49.400 created by people who are actively supporting 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:52.220 people who think they have a right to drive drunk 00:20:52.220 --> 00:20:55.420 and kill other people. Yeah, these people are 00:20:55.420 --> 00:20:59.599 I think the official term is not so. But hey, 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:01.960 again, central casting here. You're looking for 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:05.140 a drunk driver looking like Chip Roy. Just saying. 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:09.940 Just saying. He looks Hollywood face ready. So 00:21:09.940 --> 00:21:12.099 the winner of this week's Gaslight is me. Because 00:21:12.099 --> 00:21:13.779 everyone got really excited and I couldn't even 00:21:13.779 --> 00:21:16.460 say half the things I wanted to say. But hey, 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:18.440 we all jumped in there. That was pretty good. 00:21:18.859 --> 00:21:21.240 Thanks everybody else for playing. If you'd like 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.279 to play in the home game, go to autosafety .org 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:26.339 and click on Donate. Accepting amounts of any 00:21:26.339 --> 00:21:29.480 kind you want to get. All right. Big ones. Yeah. 00:21:29.539 --> 00:21:31.799 Shouldn't we have a spinning wheel where we select 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:33.440 categories or something? There's got to be a 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:35.759 way to turn this into a game show. Could be. 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:39.259 It already feels like a game show to me. I don't 00:21:39.259 --> 00:21:40.819 know what you're talking about. Let's make a 00:21:40.819 --> 00:21:43.039 wheel, something like that. Let's make a wheel. 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:46.759 That's the worst sounding game show ever. It 00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:50.140 keeps coming around. It's not too bad, actually. 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:55.119 All right. Let's go back to some Waymo. Okay. 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:57.839 This is from the Washington Post self -driving 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:01.079 taxis in D .C. They could soon be legal under 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:03.859 a new bill. The title of that article. And this 00:22:03.859 --> 00:22:06.700 was my original gaslight. My original gaslight 00:22:06.700 --> 00:22:10.180 was the D .C. representative, D .C. council member 00:22:10.180 --> 00:22:12.839 Charles Allen. I'm going to quote from this article. 00:22:12.980 --> 00:22:15.279 Allen said he sought to address a number of concerns 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:17.400 about autonomous vehicles ranging from safety 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:19.160 to congestion to the placement of human workers. 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:22.660 A major component of the bill is vehicle miles 00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:25.589 traveled fee. which Allen said would disincentive 00:22:25.589 --> 00:22:28.569 the robot cars from cruising around D .C. streets 00:22:28.569 --> 00:22:31.509 without passengers and unnecessarily adding to 00:22:31.509 --> 00:22:34.150 congestion. Revenue from the fee, which along 00:22:34.150 --> 00:22:36.390 with permitting fees, Allen estimates would bring 00:22:36.390 --> 00:22:38.690 in millions of dollars, would be split between 00:22:38.690 --> 00:22:41.269 a new funding stream for the Washington Metropolitan 00:22:41.269 --> 00:22:44.089 Area Transit Authority and a fund for displaced 00:22:44.089 --> 00:22:48.069 drivers, for orphans, spray tanning salons and 00:22:48.069 --> 00:22:50.329 a whole bunch of other things. The bill would 00:22:50.329 --> 00:22:52.109 require a study of the potential scale of displaced 00:22:52.109 --> 00:22:53.930 workers and come up with ideas about how the 00:22:53.930 --> 00:22:58.450 fund could aid them. This is fantasy. We all 00:22:58.450 --> 00:23:02.170 know this is just horseshit. He knows this is 00:23:02.170 --> 00:23:06.130 horseshit. First of all, you're going to disincentivize 00:23:06.130 --> 00:23:09.369 a multi -trillion dollar corporation with a little 00:23:09.369 --> 00:23:14.269 fee? Come on! Is the fee a few million dollars 00:23:14.269 --> 00:23:18.990 each time they're deadheading a ride? And we 00:23:18.990 --> 00:23:20.650 know they have to deadhead to get from point 00:23:20.650 --> 00:23:24.250 to point, right? And if they're disincentivized 00:23:24.250 --> 00:23:26.089 from doing that, what are they going to do? Are 00:23:26.089 --> 00:23:29.930 they going to take up parking spots in D .C.? 00:23:29.930 --> 00:23:32.710 Like, there's no real good way around that problem. 00:23:33.130 --> 00:23:35.789 If you don't have people in the car, you know, 00:23:35.809 --> 00:23:38.470 it's a problem with Uber and Lyft. It's a problem 00:23:38.470 --> 00:23:41.230 with any of those services. You're going to have 00:23:41.230 --> 00:23:43.349 deadhead miles where vehicles are traveling, 00:23:43.430 --> 00:23:46.170 using up, you know, fossil fuel generated energy. 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:50.579 to not carry any passengers. Well, but don't 00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:53.460 forget that all of these companies have about 00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:57.619 one person in their call centers for each vehicle 00:23:57.619 --> 00:24:00.619 on the road. So they've already got an enormous 00:24:00.619 --> 00:24:04.859 overhead associated with this. The economic rationale 00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:08.240 for all of this seems to be to create this illusion 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.880 of great value, even though they're all running 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.000 at a loss and, you know, pass it off to somebody 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.559 else. I guess it's a classic condition for gold 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:22.880 rushes. So I don't think that any small additional 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:26.859 fee is going to make any particular change in 00:24:26.859 --> 00:24:29.380 the deployment strategy for these companies because 00:24:29.380 --> 00:24:32.160 they're already losing enormous amounts of money. 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:35.380 And losing a little more isn't going to really 00:24:35.380 --> 00:24:40.640 matter if your strategy is just to create an 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:43.059 illusion of success and then turn the problem 00:24:43.059 --> 00:24:48.180 over to somebody else. an ipo this is very much 00:24:48.180 --> 00:24:51.339 a politician trying a new tact saying hey like 00:24:51.339 --> 00:24:53.839 i i want us to do this out in a smart way and 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:55.900 we're going to charge them fees so displaced 00:24:55.900 --> 00:24:59.019 workers can we'll figure out some way to give 00:24:59.019 --> 00:25:01.980 them money by the time it gets them they'll all 00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:05.509 have left the country but How high would the 00:25:05.509 --> 00:25:08.930 fee have to be, right, to actually make an impact 00:25:08.930 --> 00:25:12.230 on displaced transit workers' lives, right? It's 00:25:12.230 --> 00:25:17.170 absurd. I just don't see that happening. We always 00:25:17.170 --> 00:25:19.230 hear the same thing when people want to have 00:25:19.230 --> 00:25:21.549 a lottery, that it's going to go to schools, 00:25:21.730 --> 00:25:24.589 education, it's going to go to teachers. Of course, 00:25:24.589 --> 00:25:26.869 what happens is the money comes into the general 00:25:26.869 --> 00:25:29.789 fund and it gets distributed just like any other 00:25:29.789 --> 00:25:34.680 money that's in the... city or state budget so 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:37.880 this is i have to agree with you anthony this 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.299 is pretty much complete nonsense oh ladies and 00:25:41.299 --> 00:25:43.680 gentlemen banner day it is wednesday april 29th 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:47.000 at 10 14 in the morning fred perkins has agreed 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:50.920 with me uh continuing with another waymo issue 00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:54.460 this is another waymo related article from the 00:25:54.460 --> 00:25:57.980 new republic .com this is titled waymos aren't 00:25:57.980 --> 00:26:00.240 going to solve traffic deaths none of us wrote 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.819 this surprising I'm going to quote from this. 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.920 In reaction to the political pushback, robo -taxi 00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:09.059 enthusiasts present a straightforward moral arithmetic 00:26:09.059 --> 00:26:12.200 that an irrational tech backlash and provincial 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.059 concerns about protecting taxi and rideshare 00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:17.960 drivers' jobs are holding back a revolution in 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:20.420 road safety that will save tens of thousands 00:26:20.420 --> 00:26:23.940 of lives per year. To be sure, early data from 00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:26.900 Waymo looks promising because Waymo's providing 00:26:26.900 --> 00:26:29.799 it. Compared to the average human driver in places 00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:32.359 where it operates, Waymo reports that its vehicles 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:35.400 are 92 % less likely to be involved in crashes 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:39.119 with serious injuries or fatalities and 92 % 00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.680 less likely to be involved in crashes where pedestrians 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:46.019 are injured. Let's ignore school buses and anything 00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:49.579 else related there. And if you're a Waymo customer, 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:52.420 you're 92 % more likely to want to be left alone 00:26:52.420 --> 00:26:55.180 and perhaps suffer from some sort of issues. 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:57.920 that require professional help. I'm going to 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:01.900 stop talking now. Yeah. Just to reiterate that 00:27:01.900 --> 00:27:05.720 92 % is a nonsense number. Give me the best part. 00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:08.519 I'm saving the best part for you. Oh, the last 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:11.539 is the paragraph you look at says the arguments 00:27:11.539 --> 00:27:16.779 Kelsey Piper dubbed Waymo's as. Um, or autonomous 00:27:16.779 --> 00:27:19.039 vehicles as a pretty good cure for car accidents 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.859 before claiming provocatively that autonomous 00:27:21.859 --> 00:27:24.140 vehicles will save more people than a cure for 00:27:24.140 --> 00:27:27.680 most cancers, which is utter bullshit. Kelsey 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:30.859 just wanted to make sure you heard that Kelsey 00:27:30.859 --> 00:27:34.440 knows that only 36 ,000 people die a year from 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:38.819 cancer. Cause that, that was the latest number 00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:40.460 of how many people died on the highways or on 00:27:40.460 --> 00:27:45.019 the roads was 36 ,000. So. Oh, Kelsey. I will 00:27:45.019 --> 00:27:46.859 go to one of my favorite quotes in the article 00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:50.700 from former NHTSA administrator Ann Carlson. 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:59.039 And she says, you know, I'll get to it in a second. 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.660 There's no magic bullet. You know, increasingly 00:28:02.660 --> 00:28:05.819 Waymo safety data seem impressive, but we're 00:28:05.819 --> 00:28:08.599 talking about a scale that is tiny compared to 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:10.259 what you would actually need if you were going 00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:12.519 to drive down traffic fatalities and traffic 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:16.579 crashes. I take the maximalist safety claims 00:28:16.579 --> 00:28:19.759 with a big grain of salt. And I think all of 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.059 us should take the maximalist safety claims with 00:28:23.059 --> 00:28:25.140 a big grain of salt because it's what we're seeing 00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:27.559 over and over, what we've seen since Kyle at 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:31.180 Cruise. how much better these vehicles are than 00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:34.720 human drivers. Well, the data is not there yet, 00:28:34.779 --> 00:28:37.259 and it's going to be a long time before it even 00:28:37.259 --> 00:28:39.000 approaches a point where we could do that. And 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.079 even then, it's only going to be data, you know, 00:28:41.099 --> 00:28:44.960 as we've discussed ad nauseum. How do you truly 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.420 build a data set that you can rely on when these 00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:51.019 vehicles are constantly changing the software 00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:54.880 and operational, you know, parameters that define 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.880 their safety performance? A really tough question, 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:03.319 but even at this point, we have so few miles 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.119 driven in these vehicles that it is very difficult 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.339 to make any type of claims, particularly the 00:29:09.339 --> 00:29:12.299 maximalist safety claims that pretend that this 00:29:12.299 --> 00:29:14.500 is going to save us all from cars in the future. 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.480 Mainly because that requires that humans stop 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.660 driving cars before we can see that. And, you 00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:24.660 know, guys like Chip Roy aren't going to like 00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:28.160 that philosophy either. I have a feeling that 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.700 taking cars away from people ultimately is going 00:29:30.700 --> 00:29:33.660 to be almost as difficult as taking away guns. 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:36.400 Right. Further down in this article, I'm going 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.910 to quote some more. Next generation vehicle features 00:29:38.910 --> 00:29:41.549 such as automatic emergency braking and ignition 00:29:41.549 --> 00:29:44.069 interlock devices, breathalyzers that prevent 00:29:44.069 --> 00:29:47.049 cars from starting, drivers' blood alcohol content 00:29:47.049 --> 00:29:49.029 exceeds the legal limit, hold a lot of promise, 00:29:49.190 --> 00:29:52.170 but are exceedingly difficult for NHTSA to mandate. 00:29:52.930 --> 00:29:55.930 Michael, why are these things exceedingly difficult 00:29:55.930 --> 00:30:00.839 for NHTSA to mandate? There are a lot of factors 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.200 there. Number one, I would say is the agency 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.000 is clearly underfunded and lacks the technical 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.319 expertise to get it done. But number two is. 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.420 They're underfunded because the auto industry 00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:16.380 has long opposed funding increases for NHTSA 00:30:16.380 --> 00:30:18.420 that would allow them to do a better job there. 00:30:18.539 --> 00:30:22.440 But then the industry turns around and pushes 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.420 back every time the agency tries to implement 00:30:25.420 --> 00:30:29.240 any sort of safety system that's going to raise 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:34.670 costs. And it's kind of a... It's just a really 00:30:34.670 --> 00:30:41.109 sad situation where I think NHTSA is so preoccupied 00:30:41.109 --> 00:30:44.150 with pushing back on the auto industry that they 00:30:44.150 --> 00:30:48.029 don't even have time to get to the rulemakings 00:30:48.029 --> 00:30:50.369 of great importance. Like right now, I think 00:30:50.369 --> 00:30:54.009 we should be getting out better speed prevention 00:30:54.009 --> 00:30:58.269 technology onto vehicles. been out long for a 00:30:58.269 --> 00:31:01.750 long time mandated in Europe. And yet we've just 00:31:01.750 --> 00:31:04.089 conveniently ignored it in America, where a lot 00:31:04.089 --> 00:31:05.930 of people seem to think that speeding is some 00:31:05.930 --> 00:31:08.470 sort of right guarantee by the Constitution. 00:31:09.809 --> 00:31:11.950 We've seen it with alcohol impairment, which 00:31:11.950 --> 00:31:14.089 we've already discussed today, you know, pushback 00:31:14.089 --> 00:31:17.630 politically, but also. There's a lot of manufacturers 00:31:17.630 --> 00:31:20.829 that just sit there and say, well, we can't do 00:31:20.829 --> 00:31:23.710 that yet. Even if the technology is there, they're 00:31:23.710 --> 00:31:25.829 not putting into their cars because they know 00:31:25.829 --> 00:31:28.589 as soon as they put this technology into their 00:31:28.589 --> 00:31:30.509 vehicles, that NITS is going to have vehicles 00:31:30.509 --> 00:31:33.730 to test and to establish standards for. A really 00:31:33.730 --> 00:31:37.789 good example of that is in child presence detection. 00:31:38.109 --> 00:31:41.490 So we've got a problem that's already starting 00:31:41.490 --> 00:31:44.279 this year with. caregivers and parents leaving 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.339 children in hot cars. And there is technology 00:31:48.339 --> 00:31:51.380 that can detect children in the back seats or 00:31:51.380 --> 00:31:56.559 front seats or wherever in a car and warn, whether 00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.480 by horns or by other means, warn people around 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.960 that there's a problem so that that child can 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.819 be rescued and not, you know, die from hyperthermia. 00:32:05.579 --> 00:32:08.799 That technology has been placed in, I think, 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:12.789 at this point. maybe two, maybe three models 00:32:12.789 --> 00:32:15.569 out of the entire, you know, out of the thousands 00:32:15.569 --> 00:32:18.509 of models that are in auto manufacturers' fleets. 00:32:18.809 --> 00:32:22.829 And until that technology at least penetrates 00:32:22.829 --> 00:32:26.130 the fleet to some extent, NHTSA can't properly 00:32:26.130 --> 00:32:29.269 evaluate it functionally to set a minimum safety 00:32:29.269 --> 00:32:32.069 standard. So what do manufacturers do? They just, 00:32:32.170 --> 00:32:36.109 as a group, Don't put it in. Now, whether there's 00:32:36.109 --> 00:32:37.990 some kind of collusion going on behind the scenes 00:32:37.990 --> 00:32:40.130 or whether manufacturers just have approached 00:32:40.130 --> 00:32:42.829 it that way, we don't really know. I would guess 00:32:42.829 --> 00:32:46.150 the former. But it really sets up a situation 00:32:46.150 --> 00:32:49.710 where safety technology is, you know, safety 00:32:49.710 --> 00:32:53.029 technology already takes 25 to 30 years to penetrate 00:32:53.029 --> 00:32:56.990 the fleet after it's mandated. And NHTSA is taking. 00:32:57.470 --> 00:33:00.250 20 years sometimes to get to the point where 00:33:00.250 --> 00:33:02.609 they're actually mandating it in the fleet. So 00:33:02.609 --> 00:33:05.650 if you have a safety system that comes about 00:33:05.650 --> 00:33:08.390 that can save a lot of lives, it's not going 00:33:08.390 --> 00:33:11.390 to be in your car until, you know, you may not 00:33:11.390 --> 00:33:13.789 even see it while you're alive. It's going, it 00:33:13.789 --> 00:33:16.569 could be up to 50 years before that technology 00:33:16.569 --> 00:33:19.890 reaches, you know, penetration in the fleet and 00:33:19.890 --> 00:33:24.529 its maximal performance. So it is a very long 00:33:24.529 --> 00:33:27.799 slog. And it's something that I think, you know, 00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:31.440 there need to be a lot of modifications to NHTSA's 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.660 authority. There needs to be some government 00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:36.099 reform around things that prevent agencies from 00:33:36.099 --> 00:33:38.160 acting quicker, like the Paperwork Reduction 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.059 Act and other things. But there is a lot of work 00:33:41.059 --> 00:33:44.359 to be done to ensure that our nation's regulators 00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:49.549 can operate freely and actually act. to ensure 00:33:49.549 --> 00:33:52.029 that new technology that can save lives makes 00:33:52.029 --> 00:33:54.490 it into vehicles. Because right now, manufacturers 00:33:54.490 --> 00:33:58.549 are obstructing the safety systems that need 00:33:58.549 --> 00:34:01.789 to go into cars while rolling out scads of convenience 00:34:01.789 --> 00:34:04.950 features that technically, or in my opinion, 00:34:05.069 --> 00:34:09.269 can reduce safety in many circumstances. Michael, 00:34:09.269 --> 00:34:12.590 isn't it so that there's only like a half a dozen 00:34:12.590 --> 00:34:15.969 engineers at NHTSA who are responsible for all 00:34:15.969 --> 00:34:19.739 of these? technical standard evaluations and 00:34:19.739 --> 00:34:24.119 implementations. And didn't they get really doged 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:29.760 by Tesla? Some did. You know, it's hard to know 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.639 exactly what the staffing levels are and what 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:34.400 at NHTSA because they're not telling anyone. 00:34:34.460 --> 00:34:37.150 We know that they lost some. you know, I think 00:34:37.150 --> 00:34:39.949 it was seven out of 10 employees in their autonomous 00:34:39.949 --> 00:34:44.469 vehicle areas. You know, they lost their previous 00:34:44.469 --> 00:34:47.369 director of rulemaking who retired, I think. 00:34:47.389 --> 00:34:49.409 So they've got a new director of rulemaking there. 00:34:49.590 --> 00:34:52.349 And that's really where the, you know, the meat 00:34:52.349 --> 00:34:55.369 is, the sausage is made is in the rulemaking 00:34:55.369 --> 00:34:57.650 department. That's the area where they have to 00:34:57.650 --> 00:35:02.389 deal with all of the cost benefit analysis and 00:35:02.389 --> 00:35:05.769 all of the, you know. government requirements 00:35:05.769 --> 00:35:10.590 for meeting the standard on appropriate rulemakings. 00:35:10.769 --> 00:35:13.730 So we don't really have a lot of insight there, 00:35:13.869 --> 00:35:15.949 but knowing that NHTSA, I believe, has lost about 00:35:15.949 --> 00:35:21.550 25 % of its employees over the past year makes 00:35:21.550 --> 00:35:24.090 you, you know, you have to question whether or 00:35:24.090 --> 00:35:26.530 not they're going to be able to fulfill their 00:35:26.530 --> 00:35:29.050 functions. Yeah, when I was in government not 00:35:29.050 --> 00:35:33.130 too long ago, I really found about 25 % of the 00:35:33.130 --> 00:35:35.929 time that I was there was just spent answering 00:35:35.929 --> 00:35:39.829 emails for stuff that was really unrelated to 00:35:39.829 --> 00:35:41.730 the technical work that I was supposed to be 00:35:41.730 --> 00:35:44.969 doing. And I can only imagine that's gotten even 00:35:44.969 --> 00:35:47.230 worse now with all this nonsense coming out of 00:35:47.230 --> 00:35:50.690 the White House and all of its stooges up there. 00:35:51.070 --> 00:35:54.869 So I really think that if you looked at full 00:35:54.869 --> 00:35:59.250 -time equivalents being spent to evaluate. safety 00:35:59.250 --> 00:36:02.630 technology that could be implemented and tested 00:36:02.630 --> 00:36:06.829 and built into rules and, you know, end gap and 00:36:06.829 --> 00:36:09.170 all the different things that NHTSA is capable 00:36:09.170 --> 00:36:11.630 of doing. What you're going to find is there's 00:36:11.630 --> 00:36:15.130 only a couple of full -time equivalent engineers 00:36:15.130 --> 00:36:18.989 who are trying to, probably working very hard 00:36:18.989 --> 00:36:21.489 to try to do all this stuff, but it just can't 00:36:21.489 --> 00:36:24.250 get done. It just can't get done with the current 00:36:24.250 --> 00:36:27.230 funding and implementation staff they've got. 00:36:27.739 --> 00:36:30.639 Yeah, I mean, you've got hundreds, maybe even 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:33.420 thousands of engineers working in the industry, 00:36:33.500 --> 00:36:36.659 creating technology to go into cars. But you 00:36:36.659 --> 00:36:39.619 have a very, very, very small staff at NHTSA 00:36:39.619 --> 00:36:41.820 who's dedicated to doing so with a budget that 00:36:41.820 --> 00:36:44.480 is a fraction of what manufacturers have access 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:48.460 to. So it's not a pretty picture. And I think 00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:51.420 we're there because NHTSA is underfunded. I mean, 00:36:51.460 --> 00:36:54.849 they need more staffing. You know, they need 00:36:54.849 --> 00:36:57.730 more. They need funding for NCAP. They need funding 00:36:57.730 --> 00:36:59.590 for research. They need funding for rulemaking. 00:36:59.730 --> 00:37:01.530 They need funding for enforcement. And they're 00:37:01.530 --> 00:37:05.650 getting it at incredibly low levels. And it's 00:37:05.650 --> 00:37:10.130 a shame, but it's essentially part of the toolkit 00:37:10.130 --> 00:37:13.730 of automakers and the automaker lobby is to keep 00:37:13.730 --> 00:37:17.210 NHTSA hamstrung because that goes in their favor. 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:19.820 Ladies and gentlemen, I want to point out that 00:37:19.820 --> 00:37:22.500 I asked Michael a very simple question. I thought 00:37:22.500 --> 00:37:24.340 it was it was saying, you know, what's keeping 00:37:24.340 --> 00:37:26.420 NHTSA from doing this? And then there's just 00:37:26.420 --> 00:37:29.800 so many things. So this is even still now. So 00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:33.179 this is a a very passionate response. And I want 00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:34.960 to let you know, before we started recording, 00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:37.400 Michael was telling me about his fantasy of potentially 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:41.570 becoming a farmer. Come on. So what I want to 00:37:41.570 --> 00:37:43.750 say is, ladies and gentlemen, prevent him from 00:37:43.750 --> 00:37:47.309 becoming a farmer. We need him. Autosafety .org. 00:37:47.389 --> 00:37:49.650 Click on donate. Where else are you going to 00:37:49.650 --> 00:37:52.809 get that? Again, simple question and the passion 00:37:52.809 --> 00:37:57.269 and knowledge. No one else. I'm a farmer. I mean, 00:37:57.289 --> 00:38:00.750 what are you going to grow? Sausages? No, I mean, 00:38:00.769 --> 00:38:04.130 I think I think I'll start with, I don't know, 00:38:04.150 --> 00:38:07.730 herbs or herbs are nice to have. Well, I think 00:38:07.730 --> 00:38:10.150 you'd look good on a tractor, Michael. Stop it. 00:38:10.489 --> 00:38:14.389 Stop it. This is the Anti -Michael Farmer Fund, 00:38:14.590 --> 00:38:17.769 autosafety .org. Click on Donate. Let's talk 00:38:17.769 --> 00:38:20.369 trucks. We've been talking about trucks a little 00:38:20.369 --> 00:38:23.449 bit more recently and truck drivers. There is 00:38:23.449 --> 00:38:26.010 a op -ed piece in the New York Times, you know, 00:38:26.030 --> 00:38:29.150 fake news, titled Truckers Kill More Than 5 ,000 00:38:29.150 --> 00:38:33.130 People a Year. Regulators Are at Fault. You know, 00:38:33.150 --> 00:38:36.579 I... I just immediately have to point out that 00:38:36.579 --> 00:38:39.599 truckers do not kill more than 5 ,000 people 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:42.960 a year. More than 5 ,000 people a year die in 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.760 crashes where heavy trucks are involved, right? 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.420 But when you look at the distribution of crashes, 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.909 I think a quarter of them are. Truckers essentially 00:38:52.909 --> 00:38:56.869 killing themselves by getting into crashes. You 00:38:56.869 --> 00:39:00.150 know, one vehicle crashes that just involved 00:39:00.150 --> 00:39:02.289 the truck. Those are included in that 5 ,000 00:39:02.289 --> 00:39:04.929 number. And also the crashes where, you know, 00:39:04.929 --> 00:39:07.389 someone other than the trucker is at fault, which 00:39:07.389 --> 00:39:09.710 represent, you know, roughly the numbers are 00:39:09.710 --> 00:39:13.630 kind of vague, but roughly half of that 5 ,000. 00:39:13.650 --> 00:39:17.500 So it's, you know, it's... It's clickbait. It's 00:39:17.500 --> 00:39:19.960 a terrible it's a terrible title and it's completely 00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:23.559 wrong. Although I, you know, I do you know, I 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:26.440 do agree with a lot of what the author writes 00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:30.340 further down in the article. The title's awful. 00:39:30.460 --> 00:39:33.119 So I'm going to quote from further down, quoting 00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:35.639 the discrepancy in how we value human life based 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:37.860 on the mode of transport is staggering. When 00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:40.880 the Boeing 736 Max crisis claimed three hundred 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.400 fifty six lives across two crashes. It triggered 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.579 a global grounding of aircraft and brought the 00:39:45.579 --> 00:39:48.539 company to its knees. This was a necessary indigent 00:39:48.539 --> 00:39:51.239 response to a failure of safety oversight. We 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.199 reached that same death toll on our interstates 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:57.559 every 24 hours, a 737 mass scale catastrophe 00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.500 each month. We have allowed ourselves to become 00:40:00.500 --> 00:40:02.420 numb to carnage on our highways that we find 00:40:02.420 --> 00:40:05.579 intolerable in our skies. This collapse is the 00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:08.159 result of a decades -long policy experiment that 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:11.960 prioritized cheap and fast over safe and sustainable. 00:40:12.619 --> 00:40:15.119 For years, a powerful narrative promoted by special 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.420 interest groups like the American Trucking Association 00:40:17.420 --> 00:40:20.500 has dominated discussions of highway safety in 00:40:20.500 --> 00:40:22.980 Washington. These groups have claimed that there's 00:40:22.980 --> 00:40:25.699 a perpetual truck driver shortage and have used 00:40:25.699 --> 00:40:28.500 that idea as justification for sourcing labor 00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:31.920 less expensively. The shortage was always a mirage. 00:40:31.940 --> 00:40:34.880 While industry groups warned in 2021 that they 00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.980 needed at least 80 ,000 new drivers to meet demand. 00:40:38.619 --> 00:40:40.780 The number of active motor carriers registered 00:40:40.780 --> 00:40:43.119 with the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:47.460 actually surged, climbing from roughly 500 ,000 00:40:47.460 --> 00:40:51.340 to more than 900 ,000 in the past decade. This 00:40:51.340 --> 00:40:54.719 is common nonsense tactic we see across all industries, 00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:57.260 from the tech industry saying, we don't have 00:40:57.260 --> 00:40:59.420 enough workers, we need H -1B visas so we can 00:40:59.420 --> 00:41:01.900 bring in guys from Bangalore and pay them half. 00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:07.880 So this was great. I thought the... comparing 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:11.539 this to plane crashes is straight out of the 00:41:11.539 --> 00:41:14.340 fred perkins playbook i think it's a great metaphor 00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:17.960 do the same thing yeah and i i don't know if 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.199 this is around it's a funding right i mean that's 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.800 you know if you look at faa funding versus nizza 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.800 funding and the amount of people that are killed 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.820 in plane crashes versus car crashes it doesn't 00:41:27.820 --> 00:41:31.480 make a lot of sense right um And also here, you 00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:33.280 know, you're looking at the Federal Motor Carrier 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:35.619 Safety Administration's budget, which is also 00:41:35.619 --> 00:41:38.119 incredibly low, thanks to many years of lobbying 00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:41.860 by the ATA. You know, in the article, it says 00:41:41.860 --> 00:41:45.000 in 2010, they had about $1 ,100 in oversight 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:48.579 funding for every carrier that was registered 00:41:48.579 --> 00:41:54.460 with the agency. But with the explosion in registrations, 00:41:54.500 --> 00:41:57.579 we've talked about that recently with the skeleton. 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:02.920 What do we call that? The fake fleets? What are 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:04.940 they called? Yeah, the fake fleets. I don't know 00:42:04.940 --> 00:42:08.079 what they're called, but they're foreign zombie 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.019 fleets or something like that. You know, a lot 00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:11.480 of registrations were committed. They've had 00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.059 an 85 % increase in that. And plus, you know, 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.380 40 % increase in inflation over that time means 00:42:17.380 --> 00:42:21.260 that the FMCSA has a significantly smaller amount. 00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:25.710 of money to monitor and oversee the operation 00:42:25.710 --> 00:42:29.110 of all these these companies so it's you know 00:42:29.110 --> 00:42:35.090 the fmcsa is also being driven to um in in capability 00:42:35.090 --> 00:42:40.030 essentially of of enforcement by you know both 00:42:41.250 --> 00:42:45.230 the explosion in fleets and a clear lack of funding 00:42:45.230 --> 00:42:48.050 and updating the types of funding an agency can 00:42:48.050 --> 00:42:50.289 receive over time, you know, to account for inflation. 00:42:50.750 --> 00:42:54.269 Chameleon carriers. That was the term, chameleon 00:42:54.269 --> 00:42:56.510 carriers. Ladies and gentlemen, it just comes 00:42:56.510 --> 00:42:59.010 down to the simple thing. Do we need $300 million 00:42:59.010 --> 00:43:02.409 on a ballroom or do you want to fund safety on 00:43:02.409 --> 00:43:06.150 your highways? Frankly, I like the ballroom idea. 00:43:06.670 --> 00:43:09.070 That ballroom idea is great. Yeah. I mean, Fred 00:43:09.070 --> 00:43:11.550 and I have been taking tango lessons over the 00:43:11.550 --> 00:43:15.590 internet for years now. Absolutely. And I'm looking 00:43:15.590 --> 00:43:18.449 forward to dancing with you, by the way. You're 00:43:18.449 --> 00:43:20.469 going to dance with all of us right now. Let's 00:43:20.469 --> 00:43:25.050 do some Tao. Do some Tao. Okay. Tao this week 00:43:25.050 --> 00:43:27.869 is going to be kind of short. I've just observed. 00:43:28.170 --> 00:43:31.349 Hold on. I want to pause for a second. Tao this 00:43:31.349 --> 00:43:33.429 week is going to be kind of short. Everybody 00:43:33.429 --> 00:43:36.570 take a deep breath. I'm just teasing. So everybody 00:43:36.570 --> 00:43:40.369 has heard from the AV companies that safety is 00:43:40.369 --> 00:43:44.170 the first priority, right? Right. And you've 00:43:44.170 --> 00:43:46.809 really got to question the ethics of the companies 00:43:46.809 --> 00:43:50.110 because what we've seen with Waymo as a leading 00:43:50.110 --> 00:43:54.670 example of the AV companies is that in San Antonio, 00:43:54.829 --> 00:43:59.670 when a single car was disabled by the weather, 00:43:59.809 --> 00:44:03.630 they disabled the entire fleet for days, right? 00:44:04.090 --> 00:44:07.170 Actually, there were two cars that were involved 00:44:07.170 --> 00:44:10.349 in different water events in San Antonio, so 00:44:10.349 --> 00:44:15.190 I take it back. But when they've been observed 00:44:15.190 --> 00:44:19.190 passing school buses with flashing red lights 00:44:19.190 --> 00:44:22.530 over and over and over again, they actually refused 00:44:22.530 --> 00:44:26.269 to suspend operations, even during those few 00:44:26.269 --> 00:44:29.070 hours of the day when the school buses are active. 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:34.699 In my mind, it's a vivid example of how they 00:44:34.699 --> 00:44:39.079 put priority for preservation of capital and 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:44.380 the importance of operations far ahead of the 00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:47.119 value of human life, particularly the human life 00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.880 associated with school children. It's a real 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:55.380 ethical problem in my mind. Whenever you're putting 00:44:55.380 --> 00:45:00.199 capital preservation so vividly, ahead of the 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.179 priority for human life preservation, it's a 00:45:03.179 --> 00:45:06.360 real problem. There's a lot of bad examples in 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.440 society of organizations that have done this. 00:45:09.619 --> 00:45:14.300 It never ends well. But for the AV companies 00:45:14.300 --> 00:45:19.440 to say that safety of people is their first priority, 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.039 and then to exhibit the behavior that says, well, 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.960 it's really not. Our first priority is preservation 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:30.780 of capital, expansion of the business, and continuation 00:45:30.780 --> 00:45:39.659 of operations as normal, it should not pass anybody's 00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:44.139 muster that they are, in fact, good actors, that 00:45:44.139 --> 00:45:46.199 they're acting in the best interest of the public 00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:50.619 in any sense, and that they really do care at 00:45:50.619 --> 00:45:55.539 all about human safety. This is somewhere between 00:45:55.539 --> 00:45:59.730 a scam and a gold rush. And for legislators and 00:45:59.730 --> 00:46:02.789 people who are in a position to regulate these 00:46:02.789 --> 00:46:10.030 companies, it's really, I guess it's unspeakably 00:46:10.030 --> 00:46:13.409 embarrassing, at least. And in Congress, that 00:46:13.409 --> 00:46:16.550 they would allow these operations to happen without 00:46:16.550 --> 00:46:19.690 even notifying people that they're suspending 00:46:19.690 --> 00:46:22.889 their rights. And that, for example, with Zoox. 00:46:23.449 --> 00:46:26.429 That they're being introduced into a vehicle 00:46:26.429 --> 00:46:28.849 that is not compatible with federal motor vehicle 00:46:28.849 --> 00:46:31.949 safety standards. Not even the minimum requirements 00:46:31.949 --> 00:46:35.389 that NHTSA has put out for safe operation of 00:46:35.389 --> 00:46:39.809 vehicles. And yet it goes on and goes on and 00:46:39.809 --> 00:46:43.210 on and on. And there's got to be somebody in 00:46:43.210 --> 00:46:46.170 the legislative arena somewhere that actually 00:46:46.170 --> 00:46:50.119 reads these things and puts thought into. whether 00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.719 or not regulations are compatible with the risk 00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:59.539 as acknowledged by the companies to the vulnerable 00:46:59.539 --> 00:47:04.780 populations that they serve. Anyway, that's it. 00:47:04.900 --> 00:47:09.800 I think any company that in action puts capital 00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:12.699 preservation far ahead of human life preservation 00:47:12.699 --> 00:47:16.260 should not be allowed to operate in public and 00:47:16.260 --> 00:47:20.579 should clearly be brought to task by legislators 00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:24.519 and hopefully reporters who, rather than just 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:28.079 churning the nonsense that these companies put 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.780 out, actually look at the basis for the statements 00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:35.179 that they make. That's it this week. This week's 00:47:35.179 --> 00:47:38.059 Tower of Red brought to you by Monsanto, makers 00:47:38.059 --> 00:47:40.239 of Roundup Ready and other wonderful things. 00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.400 Churning the nonsense. I think that might be 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.239 this week's episode. Very good. Doesn't buy our 00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:50.340 own Monsanto now. I don't know. It doesn't matter. 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:54.320 You know, don't use it on your farm. Before we 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:56.539 jump into recalls, let's, you know, I think we 00:47:56.539 --> 00:47:58.380 got time for a little, we haven't mentioned it 00:47:58.380 --> 00:48:00.699 really this week, so I'm going to do it. Tesla. 00:48:01.300 --> 00:48:03.599 That's right. This is an update to a story we 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:06.199 talked about before about Tesla says from inside 00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:09.260 EVs, Tesla says we'll need to build micro factories 00:48:09.260 --> 00:48:11.719 to retrofit old cars for full self -driving. 00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:14.119 Okay. Just for the recap, for those playing the 00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:18.179 home game, long time ago, a man who was balding, 00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:21.239 and didn't have much of a chin, said, I've got 00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:24.679 a car that will drive itself. It's great. These 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.039 cars will always be ready. Time passed. They 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.280 have the hardware necessary for full self -drive, 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:33.039 was the line. It has all of the hardware. The 00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:35.699 software will get there. Time passed. This man's 00:48:35.699 --> 00:48:37.940 chin became more prominent, and his hair became 00:48:37.940 --> 00:48:43.400 full. And his car still can't do what he claims. 00:48:44.179 --> 00:48:48.320 It says, basically, so these people who bought, 00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:50.199 Full self -driving and paid for it. He's like, 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.619 well, I guess we got to, you know, our lawyers 00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:54.639 are telling me we got to kind of retrofit your 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:57.219 cars and do this. And I'm doing this is very 00:48:57.219 --> 00:48:59.139 magnanimous. So I'm not going to charge you for 00:48:59.139 --> 00:49:01.860 it because, you know, laws. It doesn't cover 00:49:01.860 --> 00:49:04.079 people who bought these cars, didn't pay for 00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:05.519 the software because like, well, I've got the 00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.900 hardware. Once the software is ready, then I'll 00:49:07.900 --> 00:49:10.380 pay for it. He's like, yeah, we're not going 00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:13.280 to cover you guys. And so this is for vehicles 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.679 that are running hardware version three. And 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.099 now what Elon is claiming now is it looks like 00:49:19.099 --> 00:49:20.960 we're going to be able to achieve unsupervised 00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:25.420 self -driving with hardware four. He's not even 00:49:25.420 --> 00:49:27.679 gaslight worthy just because everything he says 00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:31.960 is a lie and may cause pregnancy. Yeah, that's 00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:35.179 I mean, this it's retrofits or something that, 00:49:35.179 --> 00:49:39.150 you know. traditional manufacturers try to avoid 00:49:39.150 --> 00:49:42.309 like the plague because they are incredibly expensive 00:49:42.309 --> 00:49:46.389 um you know and and the safety situations we've 00:49:46.389 --> 00:49:49.349 seen where retrofits are going to be essentially 00:49:49.349 --> 00:49:54.170 necessary to um do a recall when those retrofits 00:49:54.170 --> 00:49:57.610 if those retrofits are you know costly at all 00:49:57.610 --> 00:50:00.590 manufacturers will fervently resist them so the 00:50:00.590 --> 00:50:04.219 fact that they're proposing a retrofit here really 00:50:04.219 --> 00:50:09.059 suggests to me that they're trying to continue 00:50:09.059 --> 00:50:12.079 this grift more than anything, that these vehicles 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:14.840 are someday going to be fully autonomous. They're 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.719 not. They don't have the – they're replacing 00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.219 the cameras that you have as part of this, not 00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:23.320 just the computer. You're going to need more 00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.659 than those cameras to ever achieve full autonomy. 00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:31.159 And this is just – you know, one more layer of 00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:34.059 nonsense. I just, I don't see the, I don't see 00:50:34.059 --> 00:50:36.659 the cost benefit here. I mean, at what point 00:50:36.659 --> 00:50:40.539 do you just say, sorry, we didn't get it done. 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.159 Here's your money back. Right. Versus continuing 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:48.260 this. pattern of saying oh we're going to replace 00:50:48.260 --> 00:50:50.820 the computers until we figure this out even though 00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:53.300 we're going to continue to use substandard sensor 00:50:53.300 --> 00:50:56.380 packages and we haven't really shown that we 00:50:56.380 --> 00:50:58.420 have the capabilities to produce a fully autonomous 00:50:58.420 --> 00:51:02.179 vehicle at all um there are just so many problems 00:51:02.179 --> 00:51:04.960 here with tesla's model and the fact that so 00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:08.739 many people have bought into it um that this 00:51:08.739 --> 00:51:11.320 is there's going to be pain here right either 00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:14.610 either way um either there's going to be Tesla 00:51:14.610 --> 00:51:16.789 having to cough up a lot of money to pay back 00:51:16.789 --> 00:51:19.969 customers who are, you know, led into this belief 00:51:19.969 --> 00:51:23.969 or these customers are going to lose their money 00:51:23.969 --> 00:51:26.349 because, you know, Tesla is not going to be held 00:51:26.349 --> 00:51:32.010 to account. A couple of points. Safety claims 00:51:32.010 --> 00:51:36.150 by Tesla based on hardware less than four are 00:51:36.150 --> 00:51:39.630 invalid as far as operations with hardware four 00:51:39.630 --> 00:51:42.769 are concerned. They were probably both shouldn't. 00:51:43.070 --> 00:51:47.469 in any event. But in order for them to say that 00:51:47.469 --> 00:51:52.010 we've gone X miles without a Y number of accidents 00:51:52.010 --> 00:51:57.110 really requires stability in the statistical 00:51:57.110 --> 00:51:59.829 base from which you're drawing. And if you're 00:51:59.829 --> 00:52:03.329 changing all the hardware all the time, as Anthony 00:52:03.329 --> 00:52:05.289 pointed out earlier, you've got no statistical 00:52:05.289 --> 00:52:10.159 base. The other point is that Much as I hate 00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:11.900 to do it, I have to agree with Donald Trump that 00:52:11.900 --> 00:52:16.699 immigrants are ruining the country. Oh, my God. 00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.960 So there you go. We've reached the end. You're 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.179 going to edit that out, Anthony? Nope, I'm going 00:52:22.179 --> 00:52:26.280 to loop that over and over and over again. Much 00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:27.960 as I hate to do it, I have to agree with Donald 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:34.400 Trump. Before we jump to recalls, this one's 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.639 been sitting in our box for a while, and it's 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.280 just too funny. From the New York Post, this 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.800 is from April 10th. Batman -like technology needed 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.400 to stop deadly high -speed car crashes in California, 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:50.579 colon Congresswoman. What a weird title, but 00:52:50.579 --> 00:52:54.239 okay. It's the New York Post. It's the New York 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.579 Post, right. Every person on our road deserves 00:52:57.579 --> 00:53:00.659 to get home safe. I don't know of everybody, 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:04.800 okay? Come on. Yeah, the officer on patrol, the 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:06.440 family driving to dinner, the teenager walking 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:09.590 to school. This is Congresswoman Laura Friedman 00:53:09.590 --> 00:53:13.849 for her Next Generation Road Safety Act. Continuing, 00:53:14.110 --> 00:53:16.610 right now, our officers are facing a massive 00:53:16.610 --> 00:53:19.110 technology gap. They don't have the modern tools 00:53:19.110 --> 00:53:21.869 to de -escalate dangerous chases quickly and 00:53:21.869 --> 00:53:25.369 safely. So this is, I think, a big vote. And 00:53:25.369 --> 00:53:27.429 Michael and I, I'm going to speak for you, Michael. 00:53:27.489 --> 00:53:31.510 I think we agree 1 ,000 % more grapplers. Yeah, 00:53:31.550 --> 00:53:33.949 we love the grappler, but also I like the other, 00:53:33.989 --> 00:53:36.349 the drones and other gadgets here, because that's 00:53:36.349 --> 00:53:38.110 something else that I've, I've thrown a little 00:53:38.110 --> 00:53:41.150 support behind is why are we, you know, why are 00:53:41.150 --> 00:53:44.510 we chasing these people with, you know, $5 ,000 00:53:44.510 --> 00:53:48.849 cop cars all over the, all over the country and 00:53:48.849 --> 00:53:51.269 risking innocent people's lives when you can 00:53:51.269 --> 00:53:54.449 just send up a drone to follow them. Right. Um, 00:53:54.630 --> 00:53:56.449 doesn't make a lot of sense. I think we need 00:53:56.449 --> 00:54:00.780 a lot more drones used to. for pursuits that 00:54:00.780 --> 00:54:04.079 wouldn't become pursuits because the driver of 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.079 the vehicle that's fleeing wouldn't even know 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.039 they were being pursued by a drone in the vast 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:13.369 majority of cases. So I, you know. Drones are 00:54:13.369 --> 00:54:17.409 another area of surveillance that I think is 00:54:17.409 --> 00:54:21.130 concerning, but where you have a criminal activity 00:54:21.130 --> 00:54:23.690 taking place, sending up a drone to follow that 00:54:23.690 --> 00:54:27.449 car and to determine who it is, to get law enforcement 00:54:27.449 --> 00:54:30.210 there to arrest that person whenever they stop 00:54:30.210 --> 00:54:34.429 the car is a far better option than chasing through 00:54:34.429 --> 00:54:36.650 city streets and putting everyone else's life 00:54:36.650 --> 00:54:39.599 at risk. Yeah, you got some technical problems, 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.820 though, like darkness and bad weather and operating 00:54:43.820 --> 00:54:46.780 the drone. And so there's a few steps between 00:54:46.780 --> 00:54:49.199 here and there. It's one of those things that's 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.320 easy to say, but hard to do. Yeah, that's why 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.380 we want the congressman's funding to go through 00:54:55.380 --> 00:54:57.340 so they can explore that. We know the grappler 00:54:57.340 --> 00:54:59.679 works, though. Will the drones have the grappler? 00:55:00.699 --> 00:55:03.539 because that i believe that a drone a drone that 00:55:03.539 --> 00:55:05.440 you know part of the grappler is using the weight 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:07.679 of the police car to stop the vehicle so unless 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:11.019 it's a very large drone no hey grappler inc if 00:55:11.019 --> 00:55:14.219 you're hiring we're all looking for jobs we want 00:55:14.219 --> 00:55:16.480 to work for grappler i have no idea but it's 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.760 true 400 million of ballroom money ought to do 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:24.760 it so yeah that's one drone and with that let's 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:30.320 let's jump to recalls speaking of uh grappling 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:33.400 i don't know i got no transition here ford are 00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:36.679 you trying to forward forward 140 ,201 vehicles 00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:41.000 the 2024 to 2026 ford ranger a short in the power 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:43.480 takeout for the right or left sun visor assembly 00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:46.639 may create heat or spark resulting in a fire 00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:50.760 in the a pillar area wait there's a power takeout 00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:55.389 for the so the the sun visors power howard Is 00:55:55.389 --> 00:55:57.369 that what it is? Yeah. I mean, this, you know, 00:55:57.389 --> 00:55:59.449 you could probably quote a Carly Simon song on 00:55:59.449 --> 00:56:02.590 this one, but it's, it powers the light that, 00:56:02.690 --> 00:56:05.489 that, that, that, that's on the makeup mirror 00:56:05.489 --> 00:56:12.050 and this pickup. I love it. Yeah. Cause you know, 00:56:12.070 --> 00:56:14.030 when I'm driving my pickup to the work site, 00:56:14.110 --> 00:56:16.710 I got to make sure that I got my lip liner on 00:56:16.710 --> 00:56:21.110 correctly. That's, that's, that's the problem 00:56:21.110 --> 00:56:23.530 here. And you know, it also, I believe powers 00:56:23.530 --> 00:56:27.900 the, the interior light in the vehicle. But, 00:56:27.980 --> 00:56:30.519 you know, it makes you wonder, you know, when 00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:33.639 convenience becomes a problem for safety, this 00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:37.820 is yet another example of it. And it looks like 00:56:37.820 --> 00:56:40.340 this one's going to take a long time for Ford 00:56:40.340 --> 00:56:42.380 to get repaired for some of these folks. You 00:56:42.380 --> 00:56:46.380 know, they're talking about August as the date 00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:48.559 for the final repair. There's going to be an 00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:52.099 interim repair, I believe, in the time being. 00:56:55.050 --> 00:56:57.469 It's going to be, you know, end of summer before 00:56:57.469 --> 00:56:59.869 we see owners being able to get a final fix for 00:56:59.869 --> 00:57:04.989 this. Next up, Volkswagen 18 ,853 vehicles, the 00:57:04.989 --> 00:57:10.409 2019 to 2024 Audi e -tron, 2020 to 2024 Audi 00:57:10.409 --> 00:57:13.750 e -tron Sportback. The screw connection from 00:57:13.750 --> 00:57:16.989 the input rod on the brake pedal to the actuator 00:57:16.989 --> 00:57:19.949 rod on the brake booster may not have been performed 00:57:19.949 --> 00:57:22.400 according to manufacturing specs. Because of 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.699 this, the screw connection may disconnect. So 00:57:25.699 --> 00:57:28.099 someone is a Friday afternoon, someone didn't 00:57:28.099 --> 00:57:30.460 tighten a screw? Is that what's happening here? 00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:35.280 I don't know. It's a large number of vehicles. 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:37.400 I don't think they were building 18 ,000 vehicles 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:39.440 on a Friday afternoon. Yeah, but Bob only comes 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:42.659 in on Friday afternoon. He's hanging out with 00:57:42.659 --> 00:57:44.500 Chip Roy the night before, so he's a little woo 00:57:44.500 --> 00:57:48.090 -hoo. I mean, it says they're not performing 00:57:48.090 --> 00:57:51.250 the screw connection according to manufacturing 00:57:51.250 --> 00:57:55.170 specifications, which suggests that it is a manufacturing 00:57:55.170 --> 00:58:01.550 issue versus design. And the fix really only 00:58:01.550 --> 00:58:05.670 requires them to torque it properly. So it does 00:58:05.670 --> 00:58:10.079 look like it's a manufacturing boo -boo. This 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:12.340 one's going to be fixed relatively quick. You 00:58:12.340 --> 00:58:14.320 know, I think owners will have a final remedy 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:16.699 available by June, but since they're just tightening 00:58:16.699 --> 00:58:18.780 a screw, you think Volkswagen, you could get 00:58:18.780 --> 00:58:21.980 that done a little faster. Well, let's find out 00:58:21.980 --> 00:58:25.639 because next up, Volkswagen, 38 ,710 vehicles, 00:58:25.699 --> 00:58:30.940 the 2025 to 2026 Volkswagen Taos. In the event 00:58:30.940 --> 00:58:33.559 of a severe rear end collision, tension in the 00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:36.300 wiring harness may cause the fuel pressure sensor 00:58:36.300 --> 00:58:39.539 located on top of the fuel tank. to become dislodged 00:58:39.539 --> 00:58:41.559 or separate from the fuel tank. If this happens, 00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:43.500 fuel will leak from the tank in the event of 00:58:43.500 --> 00:58:47.059 a subsequent vehicle rollover. Whoa! Is this 00:58:47.059 --> 00:58:50.559 a... I mean, this one seems very specific, and 00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:52.599 they're saying in a rear -end collision, like, 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.480 is there an FMVSS that says this shouldn't happen, 00:58:55.519 --> 00:59:00.829 or is this... There is. And then it's 301, which 00:59:00.829 --> 00:59:02.690 is the fuel integrity standard where there's 00:59:02.690 --> 00:59:05.610 a rear collision. And what you're seeing here 00:59:05.610 --> 00:59:08.230 is essentially you can look at the remedy program. 00:59:08.650 --> 00:59:13.050 All the fixes here is an 80 millimeter wiring 00:59:13.050 --> 00:59:15.230 harness extension. What's that? Three inches. 00:59:15.289 --> 00:59:17.429 So you're basically giving three inches of give 00:59:17.429 --> 00:59:21.849 to a wire to make sure that it doesn't essentially 00:59:21.849 --> 00:59:25.210 pull. part of the fuel system out of the fuel 00:59:25.210 --> 00:59:28.809 tank in a rear crash um so it shows you you know 00:59:28.809 --> 00:59:33.110 volkswagen saved money by not installing you 00:59:33.110 --> 00:59:35.489 know three inches of a wiring harness into this 00:59:35.489 --> 00:59:38.690 critical safety system and you know now they're 00:59:38.690 --> 00:59:42.190 starting to see results in the field and in testing 00:59:42.190 --> 00:59:44.809 that suggests that that wasn't the best decision 00:59:44.809 --> 00:59:47.829 now they're going to have to do a recall on what 00:59:47.829 --> 00:59:50.809 is that almost 40 000 vehicles right of a vehicle 00:59:50.809 --> 00:59:53.360 i've never even heard of The interesting thing 00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:56.059 for me on this one is who found this out? Transport 00:59:56.059 --> 00:59:58.699 Canada when they were testing these and doing 00:59:58.699 --> 01:00:01.019 crash tests. They were doing rear crash tests 01:00:01.019 --> 01:00:03.500 on this. And I assume Transport Canada is the 01:00:03.500 --> 01:00:06.980 Canadian equivalent of NHTSA. Yeah. Okay. But 01:00:06.980 --> 01:00:10.059 does NHTSA do rear crash tests too? Yeah. Oh, 01:00:10.059 --> 01:00:12.699 okay. They do. And their standard is the same. 01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:18.699 Canada's. It's CMVSS 301 in Canada. They're just 01:00:18.699 --> 01:00:20.599 copying off us. Which is the fuel integrity standard. 01:00:20.780 --> 01:00:23.619 And so as part of that, there's a rear collision, 01:00:23.860 --> 01:00:26.739 I want to say 35 miles per hour, somewhere thereabouts. 01:00:26.860 --> 01:00:30.639 That essentially evaluates the performance of 01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:33.699 the entire fuel system, the fuel tank, fuel fillers, 01:00:33.699 --> 01:00:35.659 and other parts of the fuel system to make sure 01:00:35.659 --> 01:00:37.880 that there's not fuel spillage after a crash. 01:00:38.179 --> 01:00:46.239 Okay. Last up, Jaguar. 170 ,169 vehicles. 2021 01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:51.440 to 2024 Land Rover Range Rover Velar. 2020 -23 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:57.380 Range Rover Evoque. The 2019 -24 Sport. 2020 01:00:57.380 --> 01:01:01.780 to 2024 just regular Range Rover Discovery Sport, 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:07.300 Discovery, Defender, F -Pace, E -Pace, U -Pace, 01:01:07.340 --> 01:01:10.699 We -Pace. A concern has been identified on Jaguar 01:01:10.699 --> 01:01:13.559 and Land Rover mild hybrid electric vehicles 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:17.039 where the DC -DC converter can fail due to an 01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:19.639 internal fault in the boost control microchip. 01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.940 I have so many questions here. Brad, what's a 01:01:22.940 --> 01:01:25.480 DC -DC converter? That was not my first question. 01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:29.880 Why do you need to convert from DC to DC? Because 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:33.280 different devices need different voltages. Okay. 01:01:33.420 --> 01:01:37.730 And so DC -DC converters... It's a complex little 01:01:37.730 --> 01:01:39.769 thing, but they're pretty common. But you can 01:01:39.769 --> 01:01:45.210 adjust the voltage up or down using DC -DC converters. 01:01:45.750 --> 01:01:49.250 Typically, they're used inside of a circuit board 01:01:49.250 --> 01:01:54.349 for some specific small amount of current that's 01:01:54.349 --> 01:01:56.989 needed by some particular device. Oh, I got it. 01:01:57.030 --> 01:01:59.969 So some cars are moving to 48 -volt systems, 01:02:00.030 --> 01:02:03.170 so you'd have a DC -DC converter if I still have 01:02:03.170 --> 01:02:05.889 a 12 -volt appliance or the cigarette lighter 01:02:05.889 --> 01:02:09.579 thing. I know DC is down 12 volts. Hey. Usually 01:02:09.579 --> 01:02:13.199 not that much current, but you might have some 01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:17.039 kind of a semiconductor device that needs a different 01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:21.679 voltage level, typically. My other question was, 01:02:21.860 --> 01:02:26.980 what is a mild hybrid electric vehicle? Like, 01:02:26.980 --> 01:02:30.559 is it not the Picante version? No, it's mild 01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:36.820 hybrid. It's one that uses the generator. that 01:02:36.820 --> 01:02:40.179 you typically think of under the hood as also 01:02:40.179 --> 01:02:43.380 a kind of motor. So that in certain circumstances, 01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.420 they can give a little bit of boost to the propulsion 01:02:45.420 --> 01:02:51.400 rather than a full hybrid, which actually uses 01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.820 an electric motor as a primary drive for the 01:02:54.820 --> 01:02:58.300 wheels. So the mild hybrid provides a boost, 01:02:58.420 --> 01:03:01.119 but it provides a boost as an adjunct to the 01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:03.860 normal propulsion system. So it goes through 01:03:03.860 --> 01:03:06.340 the engine, through the transmission. Rather 01:03:06.340 --> 01:03:09.460 than directly to the drive wheels. Excellent. 01:03:09.619 --> 01:03:11.440 That makes sense? Yep. It totally makes sense. 01:03:12.860 --> 01:03:15.480 Okay. And so that's what have we learned today, 01:03:15.619 --> 01:03:20.460 listeners? We've learned that Chip Roy is a grown 01:03:20.460 --> 01:03:23.840 man who still uses the name Chip. We've learned 01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:27.820 that you can convert DC to DC. We've learned 01:03:27.820 --> 01:03:33.559 that Waymo's almost sociopathic PR team has infiltrated 01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:37.960 their product management speak. And we've learned 01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:42.260 that Fred likes to wear a hat indoors. And with 01:03:42.260 --> 01:03:45.099 that, you know, I hope you've enjoyed our time. 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:48.679 Thanks, everybody. Bye, everybody. For more information, 01:03:48.780 --> 01:03:54.079 visit www .autosafety .org. But wait, before 01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.219 we go, and you might edit this out, Anthony, 01:03:56.340 --> 01:04:00.860 but I just thought of a great name for the unmanned 01:04:00.860 --> 01:04:03.400 aerial systems that law enforcement could use. 01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:11.690 Go for it. uh drone claybrook that's coming in 01:04:11.690 --> 01:04:15.769 after the music all right bye bye