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You're listening to There Auto Be A Law, the

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Center for Auto Safety podcast with Executive

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Director Michael Brooks, Chief Engineer Fred

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Perkins, and hosted by me, Anthony Cimino. For

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over 50 years, the Center for Auto Safety has

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worked to make cars safer. Hey, listeners, it

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is Tuesday, April 21st. While we record this,

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I hope you're having a wonderful day. And if

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you're looking for work, may we have a suggestion

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for you? You can join the staff of the Center

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for Auto Safety as we get into car crashes with

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18 wheelers. That's right. Risk your life for

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a payout. That sound like a plan, guys, that

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we're going to do? I'm all in. That sounds great.

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No. No. Michael, of course, says no. He's a grown

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up. I know. I'm just scared. Yeah. Those are

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big vehicles. There's an article in the New Yorker,

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which I don't know if we can link to it. I don't

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know. We'll figure it out. We'll figure out a

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way to send you the link. That starts off and

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you think, oh, this is pretty good. I'm going

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to do a couple of quotes. It talks about how

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large trucks account for 5 % of the vehicles

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in the United States, but play a role in 10 %

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of fatal accidents. In America, more than 5 ,000

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people are killed each year in accidents involving

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large trucks, and the victims tend to be occupants

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of smaller vehicles. A sedan or SUV, even a school

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bus, is no match for the magnitude of an 18 -wheeler.

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Now, Fred, Mr. Science Perkins, why is it that

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even a school bus is no match for an 18 -wheeler?

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Just a question of mass, relative mass. Yeah,

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well, I haven't gotten to mass. So, you know,

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when a big thing hits a small thing, the small

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thing gets squished. That's science. That's physics.

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And that makes good comedy routines, too. Yeah.

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And it's also why the large truck carriers have

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to carry a lot more insurance than your average

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passenger vehicle, which plays into this story.

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Yeah. So we're not going to get too far into

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this because I'm reading this at first completely

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cold. I have no idea. And I'm like, OK, it's

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about trucks and how dangerous it is for 18 -wheeler

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drivers. And I want to have another quote from

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this article says most accidents involving big

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rigs aren't fatal, but there are a lot of them.

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Half a million or so each year. Just nuts. And

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they adhere to certain actuarial probabilities.

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Large trucks crashes tend to happen on weekdays,

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often at night. You're thinking, OK, there's

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gonna be more about this. These guys are working

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too long hours. No, it is about a con in outside

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of New Orleans where essentially this family

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has gotten together and said, hey, we're going

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to get we're going to spot. He's 18 wheelers

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and we're going to crash into them. We're going

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to wait for them to start changing the lane.

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We're going to speed up. So they hit us controlled

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crash. We claim all sorts of soft tissue damage,

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whatnot, because 18 wheelers, they have at least

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like a million dollars of liability insurance.

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So, Hey, I got in a little crash, get a payday.

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It sounds like the American way. It sounds like

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something that was happening in Florida in the

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nineties where people would like slam on the

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brakes to get rear end damage. Like, Oh, you

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injured me. Now, there's a lot of people involved

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here beyond, you know, the one family, the Harris

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family, I think it was that they tracked in this.

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But it was, you know, you've got a former stuntwoman

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lawyer, her husband, some very shady doctors

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who I don't think were ever involved in prosecution.

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But, you know, we're conducting a lot of unnecessary

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spinal surgeries to boost the prospects of the

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cases. You know, a guy who was ultimately murdered

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to prevent him from being a witness who was conducting

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a lot of the driving in these crashes and then

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would leave the vehicles and pretend that he

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wasn't the driver or was just a witness after

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the fact. So there was a pretty big network of.

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people conducting fake crashes to make money.

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Luckily, there weren't any deaths or I don't

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believe any real significant injuries as a result

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of this. But there's a lot of negative outflows

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from it, which is all of our prices go up when

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there are fake crashes. that are being paid out

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by insurance. You know, not only our prices for,

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for insurance, but also prices for the things

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that trucking companies are shipping around the

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country. And then beyond that, I'm sure there's

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some, some costs, you know, rising costs to medical

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insurance and other things involved when you've

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got a lot of fake injuries being claimed, fake

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surgeries being conducted. But, and even beyond

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that, you know, you hear people, and I've heard,

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you know, lawyer friends of mine in Mississippi

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saying, oh, look at all these trucking lawyers.

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They're terrible. This is what they do. Well,

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that's not what they do. This is, you know, one

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lawyer in New Orleans who was, you know, essentially

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fresh out of law school and was, you know. doing

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illegal things to make money, not trying to protect,

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you know, victims of trucking crashes. So, you

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know, it's a good example of how, you know, one

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bad apple can cast a pall across a bunch, but

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also how, you know, we really need to consider

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the fact that this could be going on. I mean,

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this is the reason why I would advise many people

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to have a dash cam in their car. to record what's

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going on when you're in a crash because A, people

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who are going to get into a crash will inevitably

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think that they're not at fault just because

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a lot of humans walk around every day thinking

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they do nothing wrong and that they're perfect.

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And they want to avoid the financial hit in other

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times. And they want to prevent themselves from

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being held responsible for something that was

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their fault. So a dash cam is a great way to

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avoid that scenario because it at least gives

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you video. evidence of what took place, particularly

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the forward and rear -facing dash cams, so you

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don't miss things. But if you have, you know,

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and also, you know, there are cars that are made

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now that have their own dash cameras basically

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integrated. Teslas have that, and I'm sure other

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manufacturers will be joining. Tesla and providing

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those to consumers. So there are good ways to

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protect yourself from this kind of behavior on

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the roads. And in fact, I think that the truckers

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in these situations, there were some parts of

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the article that suggested the trucking industry

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even knew about this con, but felt like... it

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was still going to cost them too much not to

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settle these things out of court. And so they

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continued settling them, even though they knew

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there was a con going on. But it seems to me

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like those trucking companies could have benefited

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a lot from installing cameras on their vehicles.

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I imagine it can be great for the drivers themselves

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because, you know, they're getting conned into

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this. That's got to be points on their license.

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Yeah, or just having a crash when you're in a

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semi is probably a really bad thing for your

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future employment, right? Oh, what's the impact

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of self -driving trucks on this situation? There's

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no driver. They can get hit by a fraudulent crasher

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or slammer, as they call them in the article.

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They can get hit by a fraudulent slammer just

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as quick as a human -driven vehicle can. Is the

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company responsible if there's no driver? Again,

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we've got that whole problem liability associated

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with the self -driving vehicles. Yeah, I mean,

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I think that's going to ultimately be a state

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-by -state. based on which state has aligned

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its laws with the operation of vehicles by computers.

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That's an interesting... That's not something

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states are doing, right? That's an interesting

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question because the article points out there's

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these slammers, that's the people driving the

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car into it, but they have another car, a witness

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car, that they use to flag the driver down because

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one of the drivers says they didn't even feel

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the impact. Because they're vehicles so big,

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so they don't even know. So an automated truck,

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I imagine, well, it's not going to feel anything,

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but they might not even notice that this happened.

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And you can't have that spotter vehicle flagging

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down an empty cab. So that's, you know, that's

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minus ones for self -driving trucks, because,

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you know, how am I going to make my money? Okay,

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that's the end of the show. That's the end of

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the Center for Auto Safety with that comment.

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Ultimately, you know, most of the responsible

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parties went to jail, although one was murdered

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to prevent him from cooperating with the FBI

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and being a witness. And the doctors kind of

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slid out of it without too many repercussions.

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So, you know, I have no doubt that this is going

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on in other places besides New Orleans. I would

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have to say that the perpetrators here. you know,

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not the smartest to conduct these operations

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on the same stretch of interstate over and over

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and over again, which raised the crash rates

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and trucks on that portion of the interstate

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to a point where I think there was one business

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professor who looked into this and the odds of

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this happening randomly were something like 7

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.5 trillion to one or something like that. So

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from a data perspective, you're not going to

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get away with this kind of thing for long. Well,

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we look forward to the Netflix four part documentary

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on this, where they take 30 minutes of something

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interesting and spread it out over four hours.

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Yeah. Next up. Let's see. Oh, this is a kind

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of a follow up from what we're talking about

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last week, I believe, which is this is an article

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from AOL. That's right. Ladies and gentlemen,

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AOL still exists in some form. What about GeoCities?

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Maybe this is part of it. I don't know. This

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is MySpace as well. Why letting in cheaper Chinese

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cars won't fix America's auto affordability crisis.

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This is an article that kind of we talked about

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this last week, whereas cars, you can't really

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buy a car for 20K, even $25 ,000. The average

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price of a new car is closer to $50 ,000. And

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part of the argument is saying, hey, if you just

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lower these tariffs, let all these Chinese vehicles

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in, that can make everything great. This article

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takes a slightly different angle saying, and

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I'm going to quote. It is not just that cheap

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cars vanished. It's that the conditions that

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made them viable have eroded. Manufacturing has

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become more capital intensive. That means you

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actually have to pay people to do it. Safety

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and environmental standards have raised the floor

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for quality. Duh. Consumers have come to expect

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durability, connectivity, and comfort that were

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once luxuries. I'm going to argue that two out

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of those three don't really cost much. Reversing

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these trends would require more than trade liberalization.

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It would involve rethinking regulations, financing

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structures, urban design, and even cultural expectations

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about what a car should be. Okay. Connectivity.

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A cell phone cost inside a car? Pennies. You

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know, there's no real cost to that. Comfort?

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I mean, not everyone needs leather or vegan leather

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seats, but you can get a comfortable... I mean,

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heck, I think the most... Comfort can vary depending

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on how crazy someone wants to be. Yeah, I think

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this article is mostly nonsense. I mean, if you

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put good quality cars on the market for $20 ,000,

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people are going to buy them. This is nonsense.

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Now, will that persist in the market forever?

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Probably not. But, you know, when the Chinese

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are finally allowed to sell the cars... In the

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United States, at a very low price, which they

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will have to do to get people to buy them, people

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are going to buy them. You know, it took Hyundai,

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what, 30 years before people started to think

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of them as a reasonable car to truck your family

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around. It's going to take Chinese companies

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a long time, similarly, before they were established

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in the market enough so that people buy them

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and use them without commenting on their origin.

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Yeah. And remember that the fix kind of identified

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in the other article, you know, has some pretty

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big barriers. Right. First of all, you have to

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ensure that these vehicles are cyber secure and

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aren't shipping, you know, national security

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information that we want to protect back to China.

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But also, and I think even more importantly.

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That article called for domestic manufacture

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of these vehicles. Now, I have no doubt that

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they can probably ship a BYD car over to the

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United States and sell it for $20 ,000. But if

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you're requiring them to manufacture them in

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America and employ Americans and follow those

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pesky OSHA regulations and other things that

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apparently they don't have the same formulation

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for in China, you're not going to be able to

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compete. You're not going to be able to stay

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at that level, that low level of cost, I don't

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believe. I don't imagine it'll be too much different.

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I mean, again, the Hyundai Kia example. I mean,

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this is a Korean manufacturer that now manufactures

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in the south, the union -free south. There's

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another problem with that, which says that we

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don't want to send critical information that

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can harm Americans to China. Well, implicitly,

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they're saying it's perfectly okay to send that

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private information to American companies. And

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they can do with it what they will. That's bullshit.

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And we're already sending it to them. And people

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are very unaware and don't put a whole lot in.

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I mean, we've continued to hear over and over.

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And I think I did a Gaslight on this a few weeks

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back about. how the alcohol detection systems

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or driver monitoring systems are somehow government

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mandates that are spying on you, which it couldn't

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be further from the truth. They are government

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mandates, but the mandates say nothing about

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whether that data that's used to make you safe

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has to be retained. It's the auto companies that

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are choosing to retain that data so they can

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sell it where the problem kicks in. For American

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consumers, I guess the choice is here. Do you

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want to ship all of the data your car generates

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to an American company? Do you trust them any

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more than you trust China? Maybe. Do you really

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want to send that information to anyone? No.

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Okay. I mean, sure. I don't know what the answer

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is there. I got no idea. I'm not sure what the

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national security concerns are. A Chinese company

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getting access to road mapping data. Well, I

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know. And you have to wonder if that's just,

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you know, kind of the administration hyping up

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a threat that may not be there in order to boost

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the fortunes of, you know, American manufacturers.

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So anything's possible these days, right? I'm

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not wondering. I think I know the answer. And

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the answer is? Answer is take off the gratuitous

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taxes. on these cars and let people buy cheaper

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cars. I get better things to do with my money

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than send it to GM. Ladies and gentlemen, if

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you have better things to do with your money,

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send it to the Center for Auto Safety. That's

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right. Go to autosafety .org. Click on Donate.

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Follow Fred's lead. He just donated $5 billion.

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Maybe not that much. I don't know. He's wearing

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a vest and a hat. All right. Let's follow up

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on another story. There's another continuation

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from last week. CBS News. Last week, we talked

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about their 60 Minutes program. detailing shadow

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trucking companies. That's not what it's called.

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What are they called? These basically shell alien

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carriers, million carriers. That's the word.

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And CBS News continued further with this story,

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which is amazing, which is great. I'm going to

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quote from the CBS News article titled How Dangerous

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Trucking Companies Escape Their Past, Change

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Names and Get Back on the Road. I did that after

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a relationship once. Quoting, trucking operators

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that evade regulators by changing their names

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and registration information are so common they

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have a name, chameleon carriers. The deadly shell

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game on America's highways has a track record

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of devastation that has persisted for decades

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despite repeated promises of government crackdowns.

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CBS News goes really into detail with DOT data

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on this, saying that basically the federal government

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approved more than 10 ,000 new trucking companies

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over the last five years. You know, at least

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141 people have died in crashes with these reconstituted

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these chameleon carriers. It's a it's amazing.

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You know, what it is really is a joke of an enforcement

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system. I mean, you have to say this. The Federal

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Motor Carrier Safety Mission is completely failing

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Americans here. I mean, and look no further than,

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you know, the bullets, you know, right below

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the start of the article on CBS. There's a video,

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but there's also an article. And it says that

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one agent for one of these chameleon characters.

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Carriers registered more than 100 new companies

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using the email address WTF FMCSA at hotmail

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.com. The email address didn't even work. And,

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you know, they were approved 100 times using

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a fake email address that essentially is. making

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fun of the FMCSA. I don't know how much bigger

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of a red flag you can have than something like

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that going on behind the scenes. How do you not

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pick up on that as a safety enforcement agency?

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They got doged. Yeah, there we go. That's where

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I was going. That's one of the benefits of reducing

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government staff is that nobody's going to enforce

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the law. I mean, it's a great system. You know,

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it works in the IRS, too. They've removed all

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of the people who are supposed to enforce the

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law and recover money from tax cheats. Unfortunately,

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we don't have information that confirms that

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all this happened after, you know, January 2025.

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So that's a tough one. Tough, tough, tough, tough

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proof there. But I've spent some time with some

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AI tools over the years, and I'm not sure there's

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one sophisticated enough to catch, you know,

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a fake email address that ends in hotmail .com.

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Like, how do you do that? That's, that's, you

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know, it's hotmail. Ah, come on. Is this thing

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on? Yeah, this is bad. All right. Let's go to

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another story that's continuous things we've

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talked about in the past. Phantom breaking. Everyone's

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lesser known opera from carcomplaints .com. Honda

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wins phantom breaking lawsuit trial. Now, I don't

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really like the title of this article. I think

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it could have come with something better. Nor

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do I like the outcome of this because it's strange.

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I'm going to quote, and Honda argued just because

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the braking system sometimes has problems does

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not mean it's legally defective. And this is

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referring to their automatic emergency braking.

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The argument being that, hey, these brakes just

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engage randomly without warning with nothing

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in the way. And Honda's part of their argument

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is saying sometimes our stuff doesn't work doesn't

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mean it's legally defective, which is so sly.

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It's defective. Well, look, NHTSA has had an

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investigation opened into these specific Hondas

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for years now and hasn't made a finding of a

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defect. So, you know, there's Honda's proof.

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A lot of other manufacturers have had recalls

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that have been based on the phantom braking.

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Unfortunately, at this point, you know, the automatic

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emergency braking rulemaking doesn't kick in

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until 2029. So we're still waiting another three

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years before. Vehicles are going to have to pass,

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you know, at least a rudimentary test to ensure

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that they're not, you know, breaking and inadvertently

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breaking in response to nothing. And automakers

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have been arguing this for a while now. You know,

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automatic emergency braking is not going to be

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perfect, particularly at higher speeds, which

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gives the systems, you know, less time to detect

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things. And, you know, it means you also have

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to look at objects that are further away and

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coming up faster than if you were to be going

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slower. So they're right in some ways, right?

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Automatic emergency braking is clearly not perfect.

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And, you know, we're still going through my,

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you know. tried and true analogy of education.

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We're still at an elementary school level of

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education for automatic emergency braking. It's

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not perfect yet. We've seen thousands of phantom

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braking complaints come through NHTSA's system

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every year. So we know that there are problems.

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Now, this case is actually a class action where

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Honda owners are suing Honda and saying, you

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know. We had a dangerous defect in our car. I

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can't drive my car anymore. You know, these are

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these are these are mostly I believe this is

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a class action that's looking for, you know,

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compensation for for economic losses, not because

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there were, you know, crashes involved here.

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So it's and, you know, it's it's this is something

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I mean, it's one of these areas where I really

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think we have to kind of step back and take a

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look at the entire scope of. The entire environment

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here, automatic emergency braking rules have

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been delayed now, I would say, for, you know.

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well over a decade. I think NHTSA should have

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had something in play a lot longer ago. Those

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have been delayed now until 2029. Meanwhile,

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you know, this technology has gone out into virtually

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every vehicle on the road, and there are no federal

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standards regulating how it operates, how it

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performs, how it can be tested. All these things

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contribute to an environment where some vehicles

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are going to perform much worse than others.

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These Honda vehicles are performing pretty poorly,

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and it looks like Honda is going to get away

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with some of that because they have an argument,

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which is sound, that these systems aren't perfect.

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I don't think we've seen the perfect automatic

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emergency braking system created yet. I think

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you can make them a lot closer to perfect by

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using additional sensors and by focusing a lot

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on the detection and response parts of automatic

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emergency braking. I think there's a couple of

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technical points worth noting here. One is that

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it is a fact that if you increase the sensitivity

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of the system that underlies the automatic emergency

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braking, you will get more false positives. And

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what we're really talking about are false positives.

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But the other thing that I think is very interesting

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and revealing about this is that people who endorse

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using AI to run cars say that while the AI is

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constantly learning, it's going to make everything

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wonderful. Well, you know, there's a jillion

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examples of false positives associated with automatic

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emergency braking, as well as appropriate positives.

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So why is it if AI has got all this great capability

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for driving cars that it is unable to assist

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the automatic emergency braking to remove the

00:24:01.500 --> 00:24:04.240
false positives? I think there's a lesson there

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for the people who promote the AI use in cars.

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It's really severely limited in what it can really

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do in the real world. Yeah. And will AI hallucinate

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objects that aren't there too? I guess that's

00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:20.799
another question. Or are the AI hallucinations

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responsible for some of these false positives

00:24:23.740 --> 00:24:27.880
that are causing the phantom breaking? There's

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kind of a lesson here in trade -offs and the

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introduction of new technology. When airbags

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first came into cars, there were a lot of deaths

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and injuries that were caused to children and

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smaller occupants who were in the front seat

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who were contacted by a deploying airbag that

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was so forceful that it injured them or killed

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them versus protecting them. And, you know, NHTSA

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ultimately had to step in and craft new updating

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their airbag regulations to address that problem.

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And, you know, and other things like encouraging

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parents to move children to the backseat. But,

00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:05.240
you know, what ultimately what it ultimately

00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:07.460
took to protect people there was NHTSA stepping

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in and putting forth strong regulations that

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prevented, you know, some of the cheaper and

00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:14.819
less effective and overpowered airbag systems

00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:18.970
for being used. I think they need to do the same

00:25:18.970 --> 00:25:20.750
thing here with automatic emergency braking.

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You've got to set a, this is NHTSA's job. You

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have to set a minimum standard for these systems

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performance. Right now, I don't know that the

00:25:29.630 --> 00:25:31.829
new automatic emergency braking rule that doesn't

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come into play until 2029 has sufficient. tests

00:25:35.329 --> 00:25:38.190
on phantom braking to ensure that doesn't happen.

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They basically have two tests. One involves a

00:25:40.849 --> 00:25:44.269
vehicle going over a steel plate and one between

00:25:44.269 --> 00:25:47.390
two other vehicles. And that's it. They don't

00:25:47.390 --> 00:25:49.329
really go beyond that. I don't think that's enough.

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I think we're going to continue to see false

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positives impact the braking systems on vehicles

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until something more is done to address those

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situations. Michael, so if I buy a car and it

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says, hey, has automatic emergency braking, Is

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there just a big asterisk next to that? Like,

00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:09.980
should it actually say may contain automatic

00:26:09.980 --> 00:26:13.680
emergency? So it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't

00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.400
mean anything until 2029 when an actual formal

00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.759
definition for what automatic emergency braking

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should be comes into effect. That's crazy. And

00:26:22.220 --> 00:26:24.160
something else that doesn't mean what it claims

00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:27.799
to mean is Tesla. You've got to be talking about

00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:29.900
Tesla. Of course, I'm going into my gas light.

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My gas light is going to be Tesla. An article

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in Electrek talking about how Tesla launches

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robo -taxi in Houston and Dallas with tiny geo

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-fences. So, I'm going to quote. As reported

00:26:41.549 --> 00:26:44.410
in March, Tesla's Austin operation still relies

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on only a handful of unsupervised vehicles. Bullshit.

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Somewhere between 4 and 12 Model Ys operating

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without a human safety monitor out of a total

00:26:52.769 --> 00:26:55.150
fleet of roughly 80 vehicles. Most of those not

00:26:55.150 --> 00:26:57.049
are operating at the same time. The remaining

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cars still carry safety monitors in the driver's

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seat and all of all... Vehicles are remotely

00:27:01.529 --> 00:27:07.069
supervised by Tesla staff. So that first sentence

00:27:07.069 --> 00:27:09.289
still relies only on a handful of unsupervised

00:27:09.289 --> 00:27:12.390
vehicles. Ends the paragraph with every single

00:27:12.390 --> 00:27:15.869
one of them are remotely supervised. Okay, well,

00:27:15.990 --> 00:27:18.390
that's a little cognitive dissonance there, but

00:27:18.390 --> 00:27:21.130
let's continue. Expanding new cities while safety

00:27:21.130 --> 00:27:23.329
concerns remain unresolved is a bold choice.

00:27:23.609 --> 00:27:25.890
Tesla, oh, it's Tesla. Tesla has reported 15

00:27:25.890 --> 00:27:28.690
crash incidents to NHTSA since its Austin launch.

00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:31.319
with crash rates approximately four to nine times

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worse than human drivers, depending on the benchmark

00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.859
used. A 1 July 2025 crash was quietly upgraded

00:27:37.859 --> 00:27:40.380
months later to include a hospitalization, a

00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:44.480
detail Tesla never publicly disclosed. So this

00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.029
is just more of Tesla's horseshit. And I mean,

00:27:48.089 --> 00:27:50.529
electric kind of - Is there an earnings call

00:27:50.529 --> 00:27:52.109
this week? Oh yeah, there's an earnings call.

00:27:52.109 --> 00:27:54.690
There is an earnings call. It's tomorrow too.

00:27:54.769 --> 00:27:56.990
Damn it, am I recording today? I mean, it's just

00:27:56.990 --> 00:27:59.089
like roll out the bullshit the week before the

00:27:59.089 --> 00:28:01.210
earnings call. Yeah, so them saying, hey, we've

00:28:01.210 --> 00:28:04.289
expanded to other cities is just more nonsense.

00:28:04.769 --> 00:28:09.490
I think Elon said by the end of 2025, by the

00:28:09.490 --> 00:28:12.049
end of 2020, there'd be a million robo -taxes

00:28:12.049 --> 00:28:16.119
on the road. There are currently - Zero robo

00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.619
-taxis are some Model Ys that have supervised

00:28:18.619 --> 00:28:22.079
people either locally or remotely. Every single

00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.660
one of them is supervised. And he promised 500

00:28:25.660 --> 00:28:28.539
vehicles in Austin and over a thousand in the

00:28:28.539 --> 00:28:32.779
Bay Area by the end of 2025. Not even close.

00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:39.079
So this is just more Tesla bullshit. I don't

00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.859
know why. People, I don't know why investment

00:28:41.859 --> 00:28:46.460
banks, why do you keep funneling the light? The

00:28:46.460 --> 00:28:49.460
big, I don't get it. Hey, the stock keeps going

00:28:49.460 --> 00:28:51.940
up. It doesn't matter what Elon says. I guess,

00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:57.019
I guess. Unfortunately, I mean, later in the

00:28:57.019 --> 00:28:59.799
article, I mean, again, big, big shout out to

00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:03.009
Waymo's PR team because even Electric says. The

00:29:03.009 --> 00:29:04.750
most striking context for today's announcement

00:29:04.750 --> 00:29:06.869
is that Waymo has been operating in both Houston

00:29:06.869 --> 00:29:09.750
and Dallas since February 2026 with fully driverless

00:29:09.750 --> 00:29:11.869
vehicles, no safety monitors, no chase cars,

00:29:11.970 --> 00:29:16.190
no remote supervision required. Is that true?

00:29:16.710 --> 00:29:19.029
That's not true. Come on, Fred. You're better

00:29:19.029 --> 00:29:20.809
than that. Clearly there's remote supervision

00:29:20.809 --> 00:29:24.269
going. It is Fred Lambert again. So I'm going

00:29:24.269 --> 00:29:30.109
to give 88 % of my gaslight to Elon. I know it's

00:29:30.109 --> 00:29:34.589
easy. And 12 % Fred Lambert. That's my mix. That's

00:29:34.589 --> 00:29:37.750
my match. Fred Perkins, you are leaned in close

00:29:37.750 --> 00:29:40.930
to the microphone. You look excited. Are you

00:29:40.930 --> 00:29:48.230
ready to go? Excited? Well, never mind. I went

00:29:48.230 --> 00:29:50.410
back from my gaslight to an old favorite, the

00:29:50.410 --> 00:29:53.809
Autonomous Vehicle Industry Association. And

00:29:53.809 --> 00:29:58.529
it's run by a guy named Jeff Fowler. And quoting

00:29:58.529 --> 00:30:03.039
from their website. The promise of AVs is profound.

00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.240
At the heart of their impact is the potential

00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.119
to make our roads significantly safer. The U

00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:12.079
.S. Department of Transportation has confirmed

00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.759
that human behavior, such as impaired or distracted

00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:19.019
driving, is the overwhelming cause of motor vehicle

00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:23.420
crashes. AVs, by contrast, do not drive impaired

00:30:23.420 --> 00:30:26.319
or distracted, offering a safer alternative.

00:30:27.619 --> 00:30:34.240
Close quote. Well, it's almost funny, you know,

00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:37.579
it's remarkable how ignorant this guy is or how

00:30:37.579 --> 00:30:41.099
insistent he is on bullshitting senators and

00:30:41.099 --> 00:30:45.660
everyone else in the public. So one example of

00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:49.000
impairment is the utility power outage in San

00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:53.059
Francisco where every single Waymo ended up stopping

00:30:53.059 --> 00:30:55.480
in the middle of the roads or by the side of

00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:57.839
the road. So impairment clearly is something

00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:03.000
that applies to. autonomous vehicles. There's

00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:08.720
numerous videos available that talk about Waymos

00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:12.279
being distracted by confusing road signs or instructions

00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:17.660
by remote humans in their loop. For example,

00:31:17.660 --> 00:31:20.740
there was an example of a Waymo that confronted

00:31:20.740 --> 00:31:30.289
a school bus in Austin and it queried the remote

00:31:30.289 --> 00:31:33.089
user, the remote assistance, of whether or not

00:31:33.089 --> 00:31:37.069
it should proceed. And the remote assistant said,

00:31:37.210 --> 00:31:41.990
sure, go ahead. So Waymo will say that the car

00:31:41.990 --> 00:31:47.269
is always in control and all the decisions about

00:31:47.269 --> 00:31:50.930
proceeding are made by the onboard computers.

00:31:51.150 --> 00:31:55.309
Yet here's an example of the onboard computers

00:31:55.309 --> 00:31:58.430
being distracted by the instructions it received

00:31:58.430 --> 00:32:01.829
from a remote human far away in Michigan who

00:32:01.829 --> 00:32:06.470
gave it an incorrect instruction. The other thing

00:32:06.470 --> 00:32:09.569
about this is that DOT studies have never confirmed

00:32:09.569 --> 00:32:12.109
that human behavior is the overwhelming cause

00:32:12.109 --> 00:32:15.230
of motor vehicle crashes. There's no such study

00:32:15.230 --> 00:32:18.150
that's completely made up due to a misinterpretation

00:32:18.150 --> 00:32:21.630
of a study that DOT did. The statement conflates

00:32:21.630 --> 00:32:24.410
aspiration with reality. Those are different

00:32:24.410 --> 00:32:26.940
things. What you want to happen. versus what

00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:30.700
actually happens. And among the things that AVs

00:32:30.700 --> 00:32:34.680
do not do is they don't hurt, they don't bleed,

00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.940
they don't care, and they're not programmable

00:32:37.940 --> 00:32:40.400
to optimize operations relevant to hurting, bleeding,

00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.220
or caring. It goes on to say at the federal level,

00:32:44.380 --> 00:32:47.880
there should be tests for detection and response

00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:50.579
to relevant road users, including vulnerable

00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:53.880
road users, likely to be present and in proximity

00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.099
of the ADS. And then the ODD, including surface

00:32:57.099 --> 00:33:00.819
streets. Well, vulnerable road users likely to

00:33:00.819 --> 00:33:05.079
be present is insufficient. It should be vulnerable

00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:08.980
road users who are plausibly expected to be present,

00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:13.359
not just likely. He goes on, level three systems

00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.359
transfer of control back to the human driver

00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:21.319
when necessary. Well, that's undefined. And it's

00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:23.680
easy to say, but hard to do, and especially hard

00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:26.400
to establish that. at all corners of the ODD,

00:33:26.500 --> 00:33:29.759
and also if the allowed extension is beyond the

00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:33.640
ODD. Another item, a level four system's ability

00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:38.059
to incorporate SAE J3016 definition of achieving

00:33:38.059 --> 00:33:42.079
a minimal risk condition. J3016 is not a safety

00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.900
standard. In fact, it's not a standard of any

00:33:44.900 --> 00:33:51.200
kind. It's just a document that defines the taxonomy.

00:33:51.980 --> 00:33:55.480
And the MRC that's defined therein has never

00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.500
been vetted for safety, is not apparently a safe

00:33:58.500 --> 00:34:01.539
harbor candidate. This is a terrible statement

00:34:01.539 --> 00:34:04.720
to say to legislators that you need to make the

00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:09.500
vehicles conform to a statement that's not a

00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:11.840
standard, that's not a safety standard, and has

00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:15.760
never been shown to be safe. He also says it

00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.659
should be tested for the ADS's ability to detect

00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:21.820
the limits of its ODD. and respond correctly,

00:34:22.059 --> 00:34:26.139
e .g. not drive outside of its ODD, except in

00:34:26.139 --> 00:34:29.159
acceptable or reasonable circumstances. Well,

00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.599
that sounds pretty good, except if it's limited

00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:34.679
to the ODD except when it's not, when is it limited?

00:34:35.500 --> 00:34:38.380
And how about transient or emergency limits that

00:34:38.380 --> 00:34:40.260
are imposed by authorities that are not part

00:34:40.260 --> 00:34:44.400
of the ODD? ODD does not include any level of

00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:48.760
control by the local authorities. So that's something

00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:52.420
that has to be added in. And finally, he says

00:34:52.420 --> 00:34:55.199
the ADS's ability to detect and appropriately

00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.920
respond to active emergency vehicles should be

00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.420
tested. Well, that's good. But what about the

00:35:01.420 --> 00:35:04.739
environment, the transit to emergency activity

00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:09.199
scene? Like we've seen Waymo blocking ambulance

00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:16.059
on its way to a mass shooting scene. Or an emergency

00:35:16.059 --> 00:35:19.139
vehicle without visible lights. Other emergency

00:35:19.139 --> 00:35:22.949
responses. So, qualification tests are a good

00:35:22.949 --> 00:35:25.570
idea, but they need to be vetted by all stakeholders,

00:35:25.929 --> 00:35:28.150
not just something the industry pulls out of

00:35:28.150 --> 00:35:32.030
the air or pulls out of something else. Anyway,

00:35:32.269 --> 00:35:36.110
that's my gaslight for this week. It goes back

00:35:36.110 --> 00:35:39.190
to our friends at the Autonomous Vehicle Industry

00:35:39.190 --> 00:35:42.989
Association. If these are so good, why can't

00:35:42.989 --> 00:35:45.090
you provide a factual basis for saying they're

00:35:45.090 --> 00:35:49.900
good rather than just making shit up? Making

00:35:49.900 --> 00:35:53.820
shit up. It's what we do. Michael, gaslighters.

00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:56.199
All right. So last week, I give it. This week,

00:35:56.219 --> 00:36:02.519
I take it away from NHTSA. They announced their

00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.920
action plan under the current administration

00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.280
at Lifesavers Conference in Baltimore. I believe

00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.960
that was in the last couple of days this week.

00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:14.340
Put a little page on their website about it.

00:36:15.469 --> 00:36:18.789
I just have to point this out because, you know,

00:36:18.809 --> 00:36:21.650
they go through some of the things we talk about

00:36:21.650 --> 00:36:25.010
a good bit. Obviously, they've been trying to

00:36:25.010 --> 00:36:27.789
cozy up to law enforcement since the start of

00:36:27.789 --> 00:36:29.630
the administration before, you know, Jonathan

00:36:29.630 --> 00:36:32.070
Morrison was even in there. I believe statements

00:36:32.070 --> 00:36:35.829
that was releasing basically highlighted how

00:36:35.829 --> 00:36:37.610
they're going to cooperate with law enforcement

00:36:37.610 --> 00:36:40.510
to prevent crashes. You know, that works to an

00:36:40.510 --> 00:36:43.300
extent. It's never going to. completely work

00:36:43.300 --> 00:36:45.639
to solve a lot of the problems we have. But moving

00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:48.579
past that, you know, another big part of their

00:36:48.579 --> 00:36:51.019
announcements, you know, are reducing excessive

00:36:51.019 --> 00:36:54.619
speeding, preventing impaired driving. The one

00:36:54.619 --> 00:36:56.920
thing that I really like here, the pre -hospital

00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:59.699
blood transfusion programs that I talked about

00:36:59.699 --> 00:37:02.760
last week, I'll ignore for now, and reducing

00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.570
distracted driving. Now, Critically, in all three

00:37:06.570 --> 00:37:10.710
of those areas, the agency is citing working

00:37:10.710 --> 00:37:13.210
with law enforcement, for instance, in reducing

00:37:13.210 --> 00:37:15.210
excessive speeding. They're saying we're going

00:37:15.210 --> 00:37:18.309
to work with law enforcement and allow for the

00:37:18.309 --> 00:37:20.510
use of automated camera systems, that we're going

00:37:20.510 --> 00:37:23.150
to support the smart use of automated camera

00:37:23.150 --> 00:37:25.550
systems to augment the law enforcement response.

00:37:26.050 --> 00:37:28.730
When they talk about impaired driving, they talk

00:37:28.730 --> 00:37:31.929
about... Preventing, you know, recidivism, which

00:37:31.929 --> 00:37:34.210
means they're going to support like the alcohol

00:37:34.210 --> 00:37:38.050
interlock devices that go on vehicles after someone's

00:37:38.050 --> 00:37:41.989
been arrested for drunk driving. And, you know,

00:37:41.989 --> 00:37:44.909
in the in the occupant or the distracted driving

00:37:44.909 --> 00:37:48.429
side, they again kind of go back to how the states

00:37:48.429 --> 00:37:51.480
are going to prevent distracted driving. What

00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:53.719
they don't mention here and the reason that they're

00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.019
getting my gas like this week is there are, you

00:37:56.019 --> 00:37:58.280
know, and I think this is evidence of just how

00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.659
much power the auto industry has over at NHTSA

00:38:01.659 --> 00:38:04.480
in certain administrations. Right. They're not

00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.800
mentioning the three really important technologies

00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.599
here that could be implemented to prevent all

00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.239
these things at a much better level than police

00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.880
can do it by putting the technologies in the

00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:20.460
cars that. Eliminate speeding. You can't speed

00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:23.539
anymore. You can't drink and drive anymore because

00:38:23.539 --> 00:38:25.739
there's a sensor, a dad sensor, that's going

00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:28.480
to prevent you from doing so. You can't drive

00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:30.679
distracted anymore because there's driver monitoring

00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:33.760
that sees you doing it and won't let you drive

00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.059
while you're doing it, right? These are all things

00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:39.039
that can be put in cars to prevent these kind

00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:41.320
of behaviors, to drastically lower the deaths

00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:43.119
and injuries we see on our roads every year.

00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.880
And here is NHTSA, who should be promoting those

00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.340
technologies, completely ignoring them in its

00:38:49.340 --> 00:38:52.179
action plan. on its pathways to safer streets.

00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.159
For that reason, they get my gaslight of the

00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:57.980
week, maybe the month. Wow. I mean, last week,

00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:59.900
you're praising them. This week, you're kicking

00:38:59.900 --> 00:39:02.659
them down. I mean, you know, it's... We have

00:39:02.659 --> 00:39:04.940
a love -hate relationship. This is not a healthy

00:39:04.940 --> 00:39:07.619
dynamic you have with them. No, it is not. The

00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:09.880
winner of this week's gaslight is this company

00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:12.059
that I bought this stopwatch from. It's been

00:39:12.059 --> 00:39:14.659
$15, and you need a stopwatch, and I can't even

00:39:14.659 --> 00:39:17.739
read the display. It's just too dark. That's

00:39:17.739 --> 00:39:21.119
the winner of the Gaslight. S -K -M -E -I. Maker

00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.699
of a crappy $15 watch. That's what you get from

00:39:25.699 --> 00:39:28.260
buying on Amazon. I just needed a cheap watch.

00:39:28.539 --> 00:39:32.340
Okay, I needed something anyway. So we've talked

00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:35.079
about Tesla and Waymo, so let's go into more

00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.940
Tesla. Hey, wait a minute. Before you do that,

00:39:38.019 --> 00:39:41.000
in New York, aren't you gifted with gentlemen

00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:44.340
on the streets who have numerous Rolexes attached

00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:47.460
to their trench coat? I think they're very attractive

00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:53.179
prices. I would go outside. Oh, that's right.

00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:55.780
I forgot about that. Yeah, come on. Take it back.

00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.739
It's below 60 degrees today. I'm not going out

00:39:58.739 --> 00:40:02.219
there. That's insane. Oh, my God. Yeah, I know.

00:40:02.380 --> 00:40:04.920
I'm thinking about putting on more clothes. I'll

00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.780
take it back. Okay, so Tesla. It seems the owners

00:40:08.780 --> 00:40:10.960
of Tesla, the Kool -Aid they've been drinking

00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:13.300
for the last 15 years is starting to wear off.

00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.139
Either that or maybe their tolerance is getting

00:40:15.139 --> 00:40:17.360
too high and they're like, wait a second, man.

00:40:17.659 --> 00:40:21.440
Have we been conned? So this is an article from

00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:23.519
the Wall Street Journal titled Car Owners Are

00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.840
Revolting Over Tesla's Self -Driving Promises.

00:40:26.619 --> 00:40:28.719
Just to remind listeners, the current year is

00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:32.119
2026. Just want to let you know this is not an

00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.300
article from a decade ago when they should have

00:40:34.300 --> 00:40:39.179
caught on. Quoting, when Tom LoSavio bought his

00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:42.420
Tesla Model S in 2017, he thought he was buying

00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:45.840
a car that would one day drive itself. I can

00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:49.099
let that slide. 2017, look, the world was different.

00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.079
COVID wasn't happening yet. You know, things

00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.659
were, it was a different world. It's nine years

00:40:55.659 --> 00:40:58.820
later. Further down, in the nine years since,

00:40:58.820 --> 00:41:02.579
LoSavio said, it has become clear. Tesla took

00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:04.659
him for a ride. That should have happened in

00:41:04.659 --> 00:41:07.619
2018. He is the lead plaintiff in a class action

00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:10.019
lawsuit that alleges that Tesla charged customers

00:41:10.019 --> 00:41:12.260
thousands of dollars in pricey upgrades for a

00:41:12.260 --> 00:41:14.739
product that didn't and still doesn't exist.

00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.940
And won't. And will never exist. I mean, this

00:41:17.940 --> 00:41:22.280
is just it's a fascinating article that that

00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.900
basically it's taken these people nine years

00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:27.829
to be like. Is this going to happen? Oh, I don't

00:41:27.829 --> 00:41:29.690
think this is going to happen. No, no. Elon's

00:41:29.690 --> 00:41:31.550
he's like he's going to replace all the computers

00:41:31.550 --> 00:41:33.929
and all the sensors in our car and he's going

00:41:33.929 --> 00:41:36.710
to personally do it. He's going to. Oh, he's

00:41:36.710 --> 00:41:39.329
not going to do that. Oh, well, he's going to

00:41:39.329 --> 00:41:41.789
get his lesser saw. Oh, that's not going to happen

00:41:41.789 --> 00:41:45.190
either. Oh, I just gave this guy 10 grand and

00:41:45.190 --> 00:41:48.909
an interest free loan to get nothing. He could

00:41:48.909 --> 00:41:51.369
have been just, you know, I mean, I don't I I

00:41:51.369 --> 00:41:55.219
hope these this case moves forward. I hope they

00:41:55.219 --> 00:41:57.219
just don't settle out of court and be like, hey,

00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:01.460
they gave me back my 10 grand. Because it's a

00:42:01.460 --> 00:42:03.019
lot more than that he's taken from you at this

00:42:03.019 --> 00:42:06.139
point. Yeah. And this is a class action in California

00:42:06.139 --> 00:42:07.860
right now. I think there's, you know, there's

00:42:07.860 --> 00:42:11.280
like 3000 people involved in this. I don't know

00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.139
if it's been limited to California. Some class

00:42:14.139 --> 00:42:18.340
actions can be limited to the state. So who knows

00:42:18.340 --> 00:42:20.420
what's going to happen here? I mean, I think

00:42:20.420 --> 00:42:24.219
it's pretty clear to all of us that. These older

00:42:24.219 --> 00:42:26.400
Teslas and even the ones coming off the line

00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:28.420
today are never going to be fully autonomous.

00:42:29.579 --> 00:42:33.179
They're always going to require very close supervision

00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:36.760
that we would recommend against doing in the

00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:40.519
first place. Maybe worth noting also that this

00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.820
business model that Tesla came up with of lying,

00:42:43.940 --> 00:42:46.380
cheating, and charging money for things that

00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:48.699
they're never going to deliver is the business

00:42:48.699 --> 00:42:51.900
model that every other manufacturer of an EV

00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:54.679
is following. Because they want the same kind

00:42:54.679 --> 00:43:01.880
of returns that Tesla is getting on its EV for

00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:04.579
their own EV offerings. The only way to do that

00:43:04.579 --> 00:43:08.159
is to also absorb the other parts of the business

00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:13.400
model that Tesla is putting out there. So, you

00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:18.599
know, beware. This business model, based upon

00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:22.309
lying and cheating, is spreading worldwide. I'm

00:43:22.309 --> 00:43:27.309
not sure I follow that. Wait, AVs or EVs? EVs,

00:43:27.309 --> 00:43:30.670
electric vehicles. I don't think any of them

00:43:30.670 --> 00:43:36.349
are pulling a Tesla. Anyone else? No. No, not

00:43:36.349 --> 00:43:39.269
to this extent. No. I mean, there are, if you

00:43:39.269 --> 00:43:41.530
look at like, you know, for instance, look at,

00:43:41.530 --> 00:43:44.510
you know, Rivian, I would say is probably someone

00:43:44.510 --> 00:43:46.949
you could point to that is, you know, when I

00:43:46.949 --> 00:43:52.349
believe Rivian is. Doing some of the things Tesla's

00:43:52.349 --> 00:43:55.650
doing, not other things. Lucid? Lucid's much

00:43:55.650 --> 00:43:59.449
closer. Yeah, Lucid's a little closer. I would

00:43:59.449 --> 00:44:02.590
really look at the ones who are, you know, Rivian's

00:44:02.590 --> 00:44:06.829
integrating LiDAR into its vehicles. So they're

00:44:06.829 --> 00:44:10.849
taking a different tack than Tesla. They at least

00:44:10.849 --> 00:44:15.429
seem to be trying to put the type of vision systems

00:44:15.429 --> 00:44:18.130
into the vehicles that can allow for safer operation.

00:44:19.389 --> 00:44:22.409
There is a lot of hype in that industry. But

00:44:22.409 --> 00:44:24.150
then also you've got traditional manufacturers

00:44:24.150 --> 00:44:26.949
that are, you know, struggling just to get a

00:44:26.949 --> 00:44:29.389
workable EV out on the road that don't really

00:44:29.389 --> 00:44:31.630
seem to be following the Tesla path. Or Blue

00:44:31.630 --> 00:44:34.469
Cruise, which, you know, we've seen doesn't work

00:44:34.469 --> 00:44:36.469
that well. All right. Let's go to the next con

00:44:36.469 --> 00:44:40.210
artist. Waymo, the Tennessean. This is an article

00:44:40.210 --> 00:44:42.489
from the Tennessean. Folks, I know you've been

00:44:42.489 --> 00:44:44.550
like, I've been meaning to catch up on the latest

00:44:44.550 --> 00:44:46.409
issue of the Tennessean. And now is your chance.

00:44:46.570 --> 00:44:48.880
Here's a good reason. I'm going to quote. From

00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:52.380
it, because this one threw me for a loop. Waymo

00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:55.139
maps new areas with incredible detail from lane

00:44:55.139 --> 00:44:57.719
markers to stop signs to curbs and crosswalks,

00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.260
according to the company website. Waymos use

00:45:00.260 --> 00:45:02.340
artificial intelligence and real -time sensor

00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:06.300
data to make driving decisions. Huh? So what

00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:09.780
is it? What? Huh? Because the article basically

00:45:09.780 --> 00:45:11.960
has a bunch of videos of people on social media

00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.699
showing Waymos going into areas where it says

00:45:14.699 --> 00:45:16.800
no cars allowed and the Waymo going, fuck you.

00:45:17.389 --> 00:45:19.349
I'm going there to see some kids I can aim for.

00:45:19.730 --> 00:45:23.989
Or driving over asphalt and it's forcing construction

00:45:23.989 --> 00:45:27.250
workers to stop their job they're paid to do

00:45:27.250 --> 00:45:30.050
to babysit Waymos. Waymos, that's a good business

00:45:30.050 --> 00:45:34.250
model. I get free assistance from municipal workers.

00:45:35.690 --> 00:45:39.829
And so it's an entertaining article for that,

00:45:39.889 --> 00:45:43.710
but I... I'm confused. So Waymo, is it relying

00:45:43.710 --> 00:45:47.369
on HD maps or is it relying on AI to make the,

00:45:47.389 --> 00:45:50.170
who's making the driving decision here? The Waymo

00:45:50.170 --> 00:45:52.969
computer? What is the Waymo computer? Are they

00:45:52.969 --> 00:45:55.949
trying to obfuscate that so that no one knows

00:45:55.949 --> 00:45:58.989
that there is no liability, right? That could

00:45:58.989 --> 00:46:02.110
be that. If you can't trace it to who's or what

00:46:02.110 --> 00:46:04.250
is making a decision, then how do you assign

00:46:04.250 --> 00:46:08.420
blame for legal purposes? Yeah. Further down

00:46:08.420 --> 00:46:10.500
the article, I'm going to quote my favorite line.

00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:12.659
Autonomous vehicles like the cars in the Waymo

00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:15.539
fleet may even be safer than human drivers in

00:46:15.539 --> 00:46:18.980
some ways. Maybe when they're parked and turned

00:46:18.980 --> 00:46:22.300
off. Yeah. I mean, in some ways, maybe that is

00:46:22.300 --> 00:46:25.000
safer than a human sitting in there with the

00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:28.460
heat on. And I don't know. And then the next

00:46:28.460 --> 00:46:31.139
quote, if an autonomous vehicle is involved in

00:46:31.139 --> 00:46:33.340
a crash, the traffic division, this is the Nashville

00:46:33.340 --> 00:46:36.849
police, will be notified to investigate. Waymo

00:46:36.849 --> 00:46:38.809
has also provided an emergency response guide

00:46:38.809 --> 00:46:41.190
to law enforcement, which includes a toll -free

00:46:41.190 --> 00:46:46.349
24 -hour telephone hotline. Okay, so, Fred, I'm

00:46:46.349 --> 00:46:50.750
a Waymo, and I run over a dog and smash into

00:46:50.750 --> 00:46:53.789
a building and whatnot, and so you're the cop

00:46:53.789 --> 00:46:55.869
on the scene. Good thing you got that toll -free

00:46:55.869 --> 00:46:59.110
number. How is your day going? It's going fine

00:46:59.110 --> 00:47:02.730
so far, but I had to chase the Waymo into a piggly

00:47:02.730 --> 00:47:06.849
-wiggly parking lot. And I wasn't happy about

00:47:06.849 --> 00:47:10.530
that. But, you know, Waymo is clearly speaking

00:47:10.530 --> 00:47:13.130
out of both sides of its mouth because when it

00:47:13.130 --> 00:47:16.349
talks about remote assistance, it says the computer

00:47:16.349 --> 00:47:18.110
is completely in charge. The remote assistance

00:47:18.110 --> 00:47:21.610
is just providing suggestions. Well, if it's

00:47:21.610 --> 00:47:25.469
just providing suggestions, how is it relevant

00:47:25.469 --> 00:47:29.929
to the end -to -end AI that's supposedly driving

00:47:29.929 --> 00:47:33.289
the Waymo? If it's end -to -end AI, it should

00:47:33.289 --> 00:47:36.570
be impervious. to suggestions from the remote

00:47:36.570 --> 00:47:39.050
assistant, right? Because there's no statistical

00:47:39.050 --> 00:47:44.030
basis for it. So I don't know if you're the police

00:47:44.030 --> 00:47:47.210
officer. Number one, the state doesn't give you

00:47:47.210 --> 00:47:50.030
the authority to write a ticket for them. Number

00:47:50.030 --> 00:47:53.369
two, there's no human being who can get the ticket.

00:47:53.750 --> 00:47:55.710
And number three, you're in a piggly, wiggly

00:47:55.710 --> 00:47:57.250
parking lot trying to figure out what the hell

00:47:57.250 --> 00:47:59.070
to do. And there's nobody answering the phone.

00:47:59.690 --> 00:48:02.570
A tough situation. Michael, as my attorney of

00:48:02.570 --> 00:48:05.230
record. I get pulled over by a cop. Can I just

00:48:05.230 --> 00:48:07.010
hand him an 800 number and say, hey, you just

00:48:07.010 --> 00:48:11.929
call this for assistance? Obviously not. You're

00:48:11.929 --> 00:48:14.550
fired. Not even if you're a sovereign citizen.

00:48:16.230 --> 00:48:18.869
And with that, let's jump into the towel of Fred.

00:48:20.869 --> 00:48:23.789
We have heard. Thank you, Anthony. We have heard

00:48:23.789 --> 00:48:26.289
for a long time that it's very important for

00:48:26.289 --> 00:48:29.269
the autonomous vehicles to operate on the streets

00:48:29.269 --> 00:48:32.480
without restriction because. Any restrictions

00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:38.860
will inhibit innovation, right? We've heard that

00:48:38.860 --> 00:48:42.340
over and over again, and states are enshrining

00:48:42.340 --> 00:48:46.079
that in law. So, Anthony, have you got something

00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.059
called a cell phone? I do. Want to see it? Got

00:48:50.059 --> 00:48:52.760
little navigation anchors and nautical things

00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:54.420
in the back. Michael, how about you? You have

00:48:54.420 --> 00:48:59.539
a cell phone? Yeah. Does everybody in the country

00:48:59.539 --> 00:49:04.460
have a cell phone? So 40 years ago, nobody had

00:49:04.460 --> 00:49:09.860
a cell phone. It was very new. And over the last

00:49:09.860 --> 00:49:11.780
40 years, there's been tremendous innovation

00:49:11.780 --> 00:49:16.900
in cell phones. It increased better batteries.

00:49:16.900 --> 00:49:20.400
It went from Nikon to lithium -ion, better processors,

00:49:20.780 --> 00:49:24.800
better cameras. All that happened. Well, so here's

00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.840
a short list of some of the regulations that

00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:33.469
apply. The FCC regulates radio frequency exposure,

00:49:34.170 --> 00:49:36.949
electromagnetic compatibility, radio spectrum

00:49:36.949 --> 00:49:40.170
usage, rejection of noise, absorption of noise.

00:49:40.769 --> 00:49:45.230
The FDA is responsible for consulting with other

00:49:45.230 --> 00:49:47.289
federal agencies on techniques and programs for

00:49:47.289 --> 00:49:50.849
testing and evaluating radiation, collecting,

00:49:50.889 --> 00:49:52.849
analyzing, and making available scientific information

00:49:52.849 --> 00:49:55.690
on the nature and extent of the hazards and control

00:49:55.690 --> 00:49:58.730
of electronic product radiation. There are 1G.

00:49:59.389 --> 00:50:06.329
2G, 3G, 4G, 4G LTE, 5G. There's something called

00:50:06.329 --> 00:50:09.190
code division, multiple access, time division,

00:50:09.329 --> 00:50:13.590
multiple access, TDMA. There's even FDMA, which

00:50:13.590 --> 00:50:17.110
is orthogonal division, excuse me, frequency

00:50:17.110 --> 00:50:19.730
division, multiple access is FDMA. Something

00:50:19.730 --> 00:50:21.710
called orthogonal division, multiple access,

00:50:21.809 --> 00:50:27.489
ODMA. There's an NBLT, narrow band, excuse me,

00:50:27.510 --> 00:50:31.929
IOT, narrow band, Internet of Things, there's

00:50:31.929 --> 00:50:38.050
an LTE -M, there's a 1910 .268 telecommunications

00:50:38.050 --> 00:50:46.449
standard from OSHA, ANSI, USEMC, C63 .272021,

00:50:47.190 --> 00:50:50.989
IEEE, ANSI. You get the idea. There's tons of

00:50:50.989 --> 00:50:54.090
regulations that are associated with cell phones.

00:50:54.329 --> 00:50:57.110
None of them has inhibited cell phone development

00:50:57.110 --> 00:51:01.539
or proliferation. So why should we believe that

00:51:01.539 --> 00:51:05.139
regulations would in any way inhibit the development

00:51:05.139 --> 00:51:07.940
and proliferation of self -driving vehicles?

00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:11.400
The answer is that's just another line of bullshit

00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.900
that they throw out there. And in fact, the regulations

00:51:13.900 --> 00:51:16.400
need to be put in place now to protect the public.

00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.460
And they would also benefit the AV industry because

00:51:20.460 --> 00:51:25.119
it provides a fixed reference point for the development

00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:27.099
of these vehicles that people can understand.

00:51:27.789 --> 00:51:31.329
And that would help assure the investment people

00:51:31.329 --> 00:51:37.530
want to make in them. It goes on GBT, 18288 -2000,

00:51:37.889 --> 00:51:40.469
blah, blah, blah. And, you know, another example

00:51:40.469 --> 00:51:43.909
is the airplanes that you fly in every day, except,

00:51:44.010 --> 00:51:46.670
well, at least we could for a long time. But

00:51:46.670 --> 00:51:49.469
anyway, there's a whole set of federal regulations,

00:51:49.750 --> 00:51:52.190
all federal legislation regulations, part 25,

00:51:52.369 --> 00:51:56.670
title 14, chapter, subchapter C, part 25. which

00:51:56.670 --> 00:51:58.789
are airworthiness standards for transport category

00:51:58.789 --> 00:52:02.429
airplanes, there's been tremendous development

00:52:02.429 --> 00:52:06.469
in airplanes similarly over the last 50 or 60

00:52:06.469 --> 00:52:09.289
years. So I'm going to jump in real quick. So

00:52:09.289 --> 00:52:12.969
you're saying that autonomous vehicles, they

00:52:12.969 --> 00:52:15.369
claim they don't need regulations and whatnot

00:52:15.369 --> 00:52:17.219
because it's going to interrupt things. Does

00:52:17.219 --> 00:52:20.639
the automobile, the standard automobile, does

00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.360
that have to follow any sort of regulation? Because

00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:25.699
I've seen them change dramatically in my lifetime.

00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:29.840
They do have to follow regulations. Federal Motor

00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:33.280
Vehicle Safety Standards are high on the list,

00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:36.480
but they also have to follow a long list of standards

00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:40.019
associated with the electronics that are in them.

00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:44.059
The communication standards, the computer standards.

00:52:44.750 --> 00:52:48.289
It would go on as long as your arm. So a tremendous

00:52:48.289 --> 00:52:52.170
number of regulations. So the idea that the regulations

00:52:52.170 --> 00:52:55.710
inhibit development of these complex systems

00:52:55.710 --> 00:52:59.190
is just nonsense. It desperately needed to protect

00:52:59.190 --> 00:53:01.630
the public and also to protect the industry.

00:53:02.349 --> 00:53:04.929
And Michael, so all of these regulations that

00:53:04.929 --> 00:53:08.190
the auto industry is under, has there been any

00:53:08.190 --> 00:53:10.010
single one that they haven't fought against?

00:53:10.889 --> 00:53:13.409
I mean, you'll occasionally see them not fight

00:53:13.409 --> 00:53:15.909
against, for instance, if NHTSA came up with

00:53:15.909 --> 00:53:20.949
a regulation right now to allow for... the adaptive

00:53:20.949 --> 00:53:24.130
driving beams to be used in the United States,

00:53:24.349 --> 00:53:26.690
they wouldn't object to that because it's something

00:53:26.690 --> 00:53:29.690
they support, right? So there are some regulations

00:53:29.690 --> 00:53:32.150
that support it. But no, typically any safety

00:53:32.150 --> 00:53:34.510
regulation, they're going to push back against

00:53:34.510 --> 00:53:38.090
really hard. And at the same time, they will

00:53:38.090 --> 00:53:40.909
be asking for current regulations on the book

00:53:40.909 --> 00:53:44.269
to be... weakened, right? So there's a profound

00:53:44.269 --> 00:53:49.449
deregulatory effort by manufacturers and their,

00:53:49.530 --> 00:53:53.210
you know, minions in D .C. to get these rules

00:53:53.210 --> 00:53:56.809
weakened or reduced or eliminated completely.

00:53:57.130 --> 00:53:58.730
You know, we're seeing that going on right now,

00:53:58.849 --> 00:54:02.630
which, you know, in my opinion is, you know,

00:54:02.650 --> 00:54:06.090
simply another way in which they're attempting

00:54:06.090 --> 00:54:09.489
to essentially control the market, you know.

00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:13.679
to prevent them from, they're rigging the system

00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:17.860
to make vehicles ultimately less safe, but more

00:54:17.860 --> 00:54:20.719
profitable from their end. Right. Their argument

00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:23.500
is that those regulations need to be relaxed

00:54:23.500 --> 00:54:26.719
because they're inhibiting innovation. And what

00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:30.280
we've seen with the aircraft and the telecommunications

00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:33.900
industry is that that's complete nonsense. There's

00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:36.960
just no evidence at all that a regulated environment

00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.440
for developing complex technology. will inhibit

00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.000
the development or proliferation of that technology.

00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.800
Yeah, and particularly if NHTSA is sticking to

00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:47.739
setting what, doing what it's supposed to do,

00:54:47.820 --> 00:54:50.239
setting minimum standards to ensure a base layer

00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:54.239
of safety. You know, that shouldn't hinder innovation.

00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:58.420
You know, I often hear the agency say things

00:54:58.420 --> 00:55:01.280
like, you know, they want their rules to be technology.

00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.119
technologically neutral, so they're not really

00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:07.280
choosing a winner. But in certain situations,

00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:10.679
I think that safety demands it. I would put Tesla's

00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:13.139
use of cameras only to operate full self -driving

00:55:13.139 --> 00:55:15.920
as one of those. I think the entire industry

00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:18.420
and all of the safety community agree that you

00:55:18.420 --> 00:55:22.400
need more different and better sensors and computing

00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:27.219
systems to carry out those tasks safely. So that's

00:55:27.219 --> 00:55:30.280
one example. So can you guys right now, on the

00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:33.159
record, identify every single auto manufacturer

00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:36.219
that has gone out of business because of federal

00:55:36.219 --> 00:55:40.960
safety rules. Which one? Oh, yeah. Takata. Takata.

00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.559
Okay, they're not an auto manufacturer. But see,

00:55:46.699 --> 00:55:48.239
ultimately, they didn't go out of business because

00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.260
of the safety rules. They went out of business

00:55:50.260 --> 00:55:51.800
because they were violating the safety rules.

00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:55.340
They were producing bombs. Yeah. Okay. No, but

00:55:55.340 --> 00:55:58.920
like, so there's been no auto manufacturer, not

00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.420
components that have gone out of business. None

00:56:01.420 --> 00:56:03.639
of their business have suffered because they've

00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:06.900
been required to put in seatbelts. Right. And

00:56:06.900 --> 00:56:10.179
that was arguments. Yeah. They, they made those

00:56:10.179 --> 00:56:12.719
bullshit arguments. Right. I love this. This

00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:17.639
is my favorite towel of all time. I, I, I seriously,

00:56:17.739 --> 00:56:21.500
this is, this lays it out perfectly. Like the.

00:56:22.110 --> 00:56:24.349
Yeah, everything, you know, cell phones, highly

00:56:24.349 --> 00:56:29.570
regulated. You know, every few months, there's

00:56:29.570 --> 00:56:31.210
a brand new, there's a foldable one, there's

00:56:31.210 --> 00:56:33.769
rollable ones, there's, you know, lickable ones.

00:56:33.849 --> 00:56:35.710
Probably someone's working on that. I don't know.

00:56:36.070 --> 00:56:40.570
But yeah, and these auto companies are already

00:56:40.570 --> 00:56:42.690
under a whole bunch of federal safety regulations.

00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:47.159
Not really, right? Well, they all need airbags.

00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:49.360
There's a very small number of, yeah, minimal

00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:52.699
number of safety regulations compared to all

00:56:52.699 --> 00:56:55.300
the stuff that goes into a car and safety. Right,

00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:57.539
but none of them have, it hasn't hurt any of

00:56:57.539 --> 00:57:00.119
their business models. I think, Rob, you win

00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.519
this week's towel, Fred. I mean, it might hurt,

00:57:04.619 --> 00:57:06.760
you know, it might hurt their Christmas bonus

00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:09.920
occasionally, right? Right, right. They'll curse

00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:13.510
Ralph Nader. Speaking of that, let's jump into

00:57:13.510 --> 00:57:17.309
recalls. How's that sound? Hey, this week, I

00:57:17.309 --> 00:57:22.409
mean, why don't we just call this segment Ford?

00:57:22.969 --> 00:57:28.730
That's right. First one up, Ford, 1 .300, 1 .3

00:57:28.730 --> 00:57:32.630
.92 million. I mean, I can't, it's a number so

00:57:32.630 --> 00:57:35.369
big, my brain can't even pronounce it. These

00:57:35.369 --> 00:57:40.679
are the 2015 to 2017 F -150. An unexpected downshift

00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:43.239
to a lower gear may cause an abrupt wheel speed

00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.300
reduction for short duration, which in some situations

00:57:46.300 --> 00:57:48.599
could cause the rear tires to slide into the

00:57:48.599 --> 00:57:51.320
vehicle speed slows. This could result in lost

00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:53.480
vehicle control, increasing the risk of crash.

00:57:54.739 --> 00:58:02.219
Oh, Ford. I mean, that's a lot of cars. Yeah,

00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:05.219
basically, I mean, you know, I think you're driving

00:58:05.219 --> 00:58:07.380
down the road in one gear and it downshifts.

00:58:08.170 --> 00:58:10.730
into second gear, which obviously a problem is

00:58:10.730 --> 00:58:12.929
going to cause your vehicle to slow down, potentially

00:58:12.929 --> 00:58:16.809
put you at risk of a crash. I think that Ford

00:58:16.809 --> 00:58:20.590
is still coming up with a fix here or trying

00:58:20.590 --> 00:58:22.170
to figure out a way to implement it because it

00:58:22.170 --> 00:58:25.269
looks like that owners won't be able to get a

00:58:25.269 --> 00:58:31.630
remedy until middle to late July. I want to point

00:58:31.630 --> 00:58:34.130
out that if you are downshifting and there's

00:58:34.130 --> 00:58:35.769
enough compression to cause your rear wheels

00:58:35.769 --> 00:58:38.199
to slide, you are putting a hell of a strain

00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:41.920
on your entire drive system, right up through

00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:44.760
the universal joints, the drive shaft, transmission,

00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:48.860
engine. You're really working the hell out of

00:58:48.860 --> 00:58:53.719
your own vehicle. So this is a catastrophic failure.

00:58:54.219 --> 00:58:56.820
This is something that should have been detected

00:58:56.820 --> 00:59:03.420
in testing, and I can't really say that it wasn't,

00:59:03.420 --> 00:59:06.519
but it seems like if you had done... the actual

00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:11.239
qualification or validation of your design, this

00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:14.360
would have popped up and never should have been

00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:17.139
on the road. On Ford's behalf, this is a new

00:59:17.139 --> 00:59:20.000
vehicle they've just introduced. It has very

00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.699
little traction in the marketplace. They sell

00:59:22.699 --> 00:59:25.239
very few of these. So it's like a niche product.

00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:29.159
You're talking about these 10 -year -old F -150s,

00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.559
right? Yeah, no, I'm kidding. It's sarcasm, but

00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:36.980
yeah. Anyway, next up, Honda. 440 ,830 vehicles,

00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:41.320
the 2018 to 2022 Honda Odyssey. The name sounds

00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:45.219
exciting, but it's just a minivan. The SRS control

00:59:45.219 --> 00:59:47.860
logic for the second and third rows contain insufficient

00:59:47.860 --> 00:59:50.380
deployment threshold margin. I don't understand

00:59:50.380 --> 00:59:52.780
what any of this means. This is the side bag,

00:59:52.860 --> 00:59:56.800
the side curtain airbags can inadvertently deploy

00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.260
when... So what we were talking about before

00:59:59.260 --> 01:00:02.460
is you increase the sensitivity of your... of

01:00:02.460 --> 01:00:04.780
the system, you're going to get more false positives.

01:00:05.059 --> 01:00:07.980
This is another example of that. So what they

01:00:07.980 --> 01:00:11.400
did is they set the limit on the vibration that's

01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:15.139
going to cause deployment too low. And so now

01:00:15.139 --> 01:00:17.659
they're going over potholes and the airbags are

01:00:17.659 --> 01:00:23.179
deploying. Yeah, that's scary. Hopefully, sneezes

01:00:23.179 --> 01:00:25.119
don't trigger it. But it looks like they're going

01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:29.920
to. reprogram the electronic control unit for

01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:36.059
the airbag system or replace it. So I don't know.

01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.519
I guess it depends on the model, what they're

01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:40.980
going to do there, or maybe, I don't know. It's

01:00:40.980 --> 01:00:44.980
not clear exactly how they're making that determination.

01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:49.699
You know, it's interesting that, I don't know.

01:00:50.059 --> 01:00:52.699
It's interesting that they implemented a fix.

01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:56.170
You know, they note here that the they implemented

01:00:56.170 --> 01:01:00.949
the correction into production at the start of

01:01:00.949 --> 01:01:05.289
the 2023 model year so they knew there was a

01:01:05.289 --> 01:01:07.389
problem here right is that is that how that's

01:01:07.389 --> 01:01:10.309
reading that's what it looks like yeah yeah i

01:01:10.309 --> 01:01:12.889
mean that's not good honda you know should you

01:01:12.889 --> 01:01:16.710
know if you knew about it in 2023 model year

01:01:16.710 --> 01:01:19.489
and you started implementing it on june 3rd 2022

01:01:19.489 --> 01:01:23.110
shouldn't you be fined by nizza for every date

01:01:23.110 --> 01:01:25.110
between that and your announcement of the recall

01:01:25.110 --> 01:01:29.969
i think so nizza what's your reply yeah next

01:01:29.969 --> 01:01:35.969
up kia 141 032 vehicles the 2022 to 2026 kia

01:01:35.969 --> 01:01:37.909
carnival and what we've learned if you've got

01:01:37.909 --> 01:01:39.969
a fun name for a vehicle odds are it's a minivan

01:01:39.969 --> 01:01:45.760
uh this is a Expected production deviation. The

01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:48.340
high pressure crossover fuel pipe nuts may loosen

01:01:48.340 --> 01:01:51.800
over time, resulting in a fuel leak. And that

01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:54.800
can increase the risk of fire. That's not good.

01:01:55.059 --> 01:01:58.679
If you smell fuel or an illumination check engine

01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:03.119
light, get out of the car. So hopefully this

01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:05.800
is just they're going to tighten a nut. Yeah,

01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:07.400
it sounds like they're just going to tighten

01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:10.440
the nut. They've got a new torque specification.

01:02:10.699 --> 01:02:13.099
Of course, it's. for some reason, taking them

01:02:13.099 --> 01:02:16.440
until June to get this going. And this applies

01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:18.940
not just to the Kia Carnivals, but also to the

01:02:18.940 --> 01:02:20.840
Hyundai model. Let's check it real quick to see

01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:23.000
if its name is as fun as the Kia. It is not.

01:02:23.099 --> 01:02:25.500
Next up is Hyundai. What is it? The Genesis.

01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.420
Ah, no. Yeah, this is the Phil Collins tribute

01:02:29.420 --> 01:02:33.820
car. And this is the same recall. Right. So just

01:02:33.820 --> 01:02:36.179
on the Genesis. Yeah, the Genesis G80 and G90.

01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:39.760
But I do have a suggestion for owners. If you

01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:42.170
look at your steering wheel carefully, And it

01:02:42.170 --> 01:02:46.869
has the word Kia embossed anywhere. Try to get

01:02:46.869 --> 01:02:48.869
a new vehicle. Shameful. Some other company.

01:02:49.150 --> 01:02:53.789
Their EVs are apparently pretty good. And I drove

01:02:53.789 --> 01:02:56.860
a rental. Kia, it was a fun car to drive. You

01:02:56.860 --> 01:02:59.519
know, I did too. I think it was a rental Hyundai

01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:01.380
a couple of years back. It wasn't too bad, although

01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:03.800
it felt like a spaceship on the inside. I think

01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:06.800
they're getting a lot of sales from their snazzy,

01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:10.360
snazzy interiors. You guys are arguing with me.

01:03:10.380 --> 01:03:15.039
It's pretty bad. Off of my ego. Rent a Kia that

01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:18.239
felt like a modern take on a Buick. Like it had

01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:20.739
that, it was like, oh, if a Buick was... Came

01:03:20.739 --> 01:03:22.900
into the future. It had that. Okay. You lost

01:03:22.900 --> 01:03:25.500
me at Buick there. But anyway. Anyway. Anyway.

01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:28.739
Last one. Chrysler. Huh. Didn't know they were

01:03:28.739 --> 01:03:33.079
still around. 6 ,605 vehicles. The 2026 Ram 2500

01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:38.880
pickup. They are not following FMVSS 126, which

01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:41.300
requires electronic stability control to be active

01:03:41.300 --> 01:03:45.980
while driving. And SCCM with an internal fault

01:03:45.980 --> 01:03:47.840
may result in loss of the electronic stability

01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:54.670
control. Oh, that's not good. Not good. But recall

01:03:54.670 --> 01:03:56.929
fix is coming soon for owners. Looks like early

01:03:56.929 --> 01:03:58.789
May. They'll hear about that. They're going to

01:03:58.789 --> 01:04:02.969
replace the SCCM. Anthony, what's an SCCM again?

01:04:03.449 --> 01:04:06.710
That's the sugar coated caramel marshmallows.

01:04:07.110 --> 01:04:11.110
Sounds good. It sounds it's it's not diabetic

01:04:11.110 --> 01:04:14.889
friendly. I don't know, Fred. What's the SCCM?

01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:18.920
The serial computer control module? It's the

01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:21.519
steering control column module. There you go.

01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:24.239
It's got an internal fault that can disable electronic

01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:29.059
stability control. That's bad. Especially in

01:04:29.059 --> 01:04:32.340
big trucks. Yeah. And with that, listeners, thanks

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