1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,440 I had intense fear and panic because we were obviously crashing. Out of my heart came the 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,960 thought, oh god help, I'm going to die. 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,360 From the time that they pronounced me dead was a good 45 minutes. 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,280 It's determined that I was not breathing for 20 minutes. 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:24,440 They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. And I could 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:29,680 see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realise that was actually my physical body 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,680 because I was somewhere else. 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:37,160 By which you went to the past far, in the afternoon, by half past seven I was dead, clinically 9 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:38,160 dead, four minutes. 10 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:43,640 And they were crying because I was dead and I was trying to tell them no, I'm not dead, 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,520 I'm just fine, I'm okay. 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,480 I was greeted by people I'd known in the past. 13 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:54,840 I started to feel like I was surrounded by all this warm, loving, beautiful, soothing, 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:55,840 loving energy. 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:01,240 I'm back with God again. I just felt this all in my two breath of these, like, wow, 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,240 I'm back. 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:03,720 I'm back home again. 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,480 Incredibly safe and felt at home. I'd come back home. It was a very strong feeling that 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,040 I've come back home. 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:16,120 The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace, there wasn't 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,240 anything else to be felt. 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:23,400 And light is literally emitting from him. And I could feel that that tremendous amount 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,480 of love was coming through him as well. 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:32,480 They were brighter than everybody else. And I just knew who they were. 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:38,560 All right. I would like to welcome everybody to Round Trip Death today and to welcome our 26 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,840 special guest, Debbie Knudson. How are you? 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,800 Great. How are you? 28 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,760 I'm really well. Everybody doesn't know this, but we've just had a fun time chatting about 29 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,080 accents from where we grew up and things like that. Do you want to tell us where you grew 30 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,280 up or should we let people guess and we'll tell them 10 minutes from now? 31 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,280 Let's play a game and let's let them guess. 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,280 Okay. 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:02,280 Perfect. 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,720 Do you want to tell us anything else about you, though, so people can get to know you 35 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,720 a little bit? 36 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,320 Now if you shake your head, nobody can see that. You have to say yes or no. 37 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,320 I'm shy. 38 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Now. 39 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:22,280 I don't believe you're shy. Okay. We're going to jump right into this then. Your NDE was 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,600 very recent and I know you were hesitant to talk about it. 41 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,200 Have you talked to anybody about your experience yet? 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:37,000 Everybody. They think about it 24 hours a day and whenever I can talk about it, I just 43 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:43,440 do. It's like constantly on my mind. It's crazy. Like, oh. 44 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,840 Have you had a chance to talk publicly like on a podcast like this or TV or anything like 45 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:49,840 that? 46 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:50,840 No, not at all. 47 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,680 Well, we're going to feel honored then because for the most part, except for a few people 48 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,120 that are friends, everybody's hearing this for the very first time. 49 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,120 Correct. 50 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:06,200 Okay. Well, I appreciate you being willing to open up with us. I know it took you a while 51 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,040 to make up your mind. 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,360 We went back and forth for weeks and weeks. 53 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:11,480 We did. 54 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:18,000 And just for those that are listening, Debbie was afraid that people wouldn't believe her. 55 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:24,720 So she actually sent me the hospital report that talks about going into VFib and having 56 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,920 to be shocked back to life and stuff like that. 57 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:30,280 Yep. Code blue. 58 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:36,080 Let's back up. Tell me what led up to that day three months ago. What was going on with 59 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,080 your health? 60 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:45,240 I was fine. Nothing was wrong at all. Actually, I was just in the hospital two months prior 61 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:51,400 because I had a gallstone attack. You know, so they did blood work. They didn't eat KG 62 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,040 because that's what they check whenever you have like being in your stomach or, you know, 63 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,040 your chest area. 64 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:06,320 And I was fine. It was just out of the blue. A normal day. I was selling my condo to move 65 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:14,120 to South Carolina. So I had two people that day to come look at it. I was getting like 66 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:20,600 chest pain like all holiday long. My neighbor, she was like that. It's indigestion. Just 67 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,600 take tons. 68 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,600 So I'm eating a Tom. 69 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:31,400 Don't you love the neighbor doctors that just know exactly what's wrong with you with no 70 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,880 medical tests or anything else? I appreciate them so much. 71 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:42,000 You know, and I believe so. So I was taking Tom's and she's like, it doesn't work. Just 72 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:49,840 take two or four. So I was like taking four at a time like every hour. And I was like, 73 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:57,120 look at this big anyway. So I had two showings and I remember four o'clock. I had like such 74 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:04,160 severe pain. And I do remember I was sweating and I'm like, maybe it's another gallstone. 75 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:12,280 Right. That happened two months prior. So I took Tom's, showed the condo. 76 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:14,440 Is that the answer for everything? 77 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:20,520 That if you're having a heart attack, I think you need to take Tom's or gallstones or right. 78 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,920 So I showed the condo like well, forish and you're a real tour. So that's what so people 79 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,840 understand what you mean by that. Okay. 80 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:34,560 Okay. Yes. And actually she was interested in it and she was putting an offer. So the 81 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:41,280 rest of the day I went down and I need everybody to pull like around six, seven o'clock. Yeah, 82 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:47,920 we just sit down and we all chat and hang out. You know, I'm okay because I took Tom's. 83 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:57,240 And then I go up to go to sleep and I'm watching TV and it's about, I don't know, like 11. 84 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:02,440 And I fell asleep and then I woke up at what? And I was like in so much pain and it felt 85 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:09,880 like gallstone pain. Really did. So I took a painkiller and I took a Tom and I went 86 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:20,280 back to sleep. Then I woke up at three, 15 and I was just sweating and I had my cell 87 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:27,720 phone and I died and I pressed nine and I'm walking around and I'm getting dressed because 88 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:33,400 I'm going to go to the emergency room. So then I pressed nine one and now it's like 15 minutes. 89 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:39,320 I was like, should I go? Should I not though? You know, am I just like, you know, being, 90 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,640 you know, a hypochondriac? 91 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:46,600 No, I get it. We think we shouldn't go unless we're just dying. And how do we know if we're 92 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:55,560 really dying or not? Exactly. Well, we don't because obviously I was. And it was like I 93 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,080 walked down four flights of stairs. And when I got down, 94 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,720 You have something against elevators? 95 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,040 I don't want to take any elevators. Okay. 96 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Now I can though, but I used to not used to be afraid of elevators. Like I'm like stuck 97 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:16,840 where I don't know what the fear was. And I got down to the lobby and I called 911 told 98 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:22,160 them send an ambulance. I think I'm having a gallbladder attack. I said, you don't have 99 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,120 to put the sirens on, you know, I'm in the lobby. She's like, do you want to stay on 100 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:34,360 the phone with me? I was like, okay, I don't know why. But I did. And then they got there. 101 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:40,880 And I walked, you know, to the side guy helped me up. I sat on the gurney. And they immediately 102 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:47,960 like hooked me up for a UKJ. And he says, it's your heart. I'm like, no, it's not. I 103 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,920 said, I'm having a gallstone attack. He's like, how long did you have the pain? I'm 104 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:58,480 like at least 24 hours. Then I don't know what they did. But they said, we got to get 105 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:03,720 you to the hospital within the hour. It's the golden hour. And then they were trying 106 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:09,040 to put on like a port in and they couldn't find my vein. So he was going to put it in 107 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,680 my neck. And I remember I was like, freaking out. I'm like, please, well, please don't 108 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:20,320 do that. But the next thing you know, we were at the hospital. So we pulled up and they 109 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:27,640 opened the back doors. And I was like, don't try me. And then we only in and I guess it 110 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,960 was like, like an operating room. There were I swear, there were like, at least 10 to 15 111 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,800 doctors. So there was definitely a call ahead of what was going on. 112 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,840 Probably your neighbor saying have the tums ready. Why? You should have. That would have 113 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,680 been hilarious. I should have called her to take me to the hospital. I should have woke 114 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:51,840 her up. Sorry for getting you sidetracked. You're at the hospital. There's a whole bunch 115 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:58,720 of doctors. It's like I'm like reliving it. It's like I remember every detailed thing. 116 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,640 So we're I'm at the hospital and then they transferred me from the Garni to the bed. 117 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:10,240 They lifted me up. And there were people on the right side of me, the left side of me. 118 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,840 And they were just talking and trying to find my veins. Like I don't know how many things 119 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:20,320 they put in or why they put in so many. There was one doctor to the left of me and they 120 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,520 would take my jewelry off. And I had on one of those Cartier bracelets that you have to 121 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:35,320 screw on and off. And I was like, please don't cut my bracelet. And he goes, if it's 122 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,360 between life and death, we're cutting your bracelet. I mean, here I am. Like I'm not 123 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,120 even asking what's going on. And I'm like, don't cut my bracelet, which now when you 124 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,600 think about it, it's stupidest thing. So he told the nurse to go get a screwdriver. 125 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,560 And she's like, what do you mean? I guess she did. No, that's how they, you know, they 126 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:58,680 get on and off. It's the only way he explained to him, you know, I know how to get the bracelet. 127 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:04,240 When I did get up to the hospital room, it was cut and in my purse. So that makes me 128 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,880 pretty sad. I'm alive. 129 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,960 That also shows you how bad a condition you were in that they had to cut it off. 130 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:17,640 And you know what? Materialistic things now, like don't matter. It's like, I've learned 131 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,640 like such a lesson, but I'll tell you about that after. 132 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,440 All right. So the next thing, so I'm laying there and I remember looking at the clock 133 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:30,840 and it was like, maybe it was like five to four. And I just felt so tired because, you 134 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:38,320 know, it's 3 30 in the morning. I had no sleep. And I remember just closing my eyes. 135 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:45,160 And that was it. I saw the most beautiful vibrant colors that I'd ever seen like in 136 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:54,200 my full life. It was just like, I can't even explain it kind of like, like a Peter Max 137 00:10:54,200 --> 00:11:00,200 poster. If you know who that artist is, it was just beautiful. And the feeling of just 138 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:09,800 love and peace. It's just the most incredible thing I've ever felt and saw in my whole life. 139 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:15,720 You need to clarify right now. So you're in the hospital. Is this when your heart actually 140 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:21,360 stops and they have to restart it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I just wanted to make sure people realize. 141 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,040 So this is the near death experience here. Right. Did you have any kind of feeling of 142 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,080 leaving your body or see your body in the hospital like some people do or any of that 143 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,640 kind of thing? Yeah. Now, all, all right. All that happened was that I looked at the 144 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:43,840 clock and I just closed my eyes. And I was in like another real. That's all I can, how 145 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:51,240 I, how I explain. Tell us all the detail you can remember of that. It was just beautiful 146 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:57,960 colors like green and purple and turquoise. And, and it was just, I don't know, could 147 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:07,360 have been light. I don't know if it was light or if it was just colors. It was just so intense. 148 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:13,320 And I was just like looking at everything. And then the feeling like my, my being feeling 149 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:23,560 was just like, it's so hard to explain. It's just, you feel like this love and a light. 150 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:34,560 And I mean, I wasn't thinking about, you know, my daughter or anybody, like nobody, like 151 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:40,800 in your mind, you're like, you're not here anymore. It's just really, really odd. 152 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:46,600 I'm just hoping there's more. I know this was a fairly brief experience, but I'm hoping 153 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:51,320 you can put into even more words that feeling. Can you try? 154 00:12:51,320 --> 00:13:00,680 It's just so hard to explain. I'm trying to think of like, I could even, I can't explain 155 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:07,840 it. It just, it's just colors. And I don't know if there, there were lights or colors. 156 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:19,680 It was just, you know, almost like psychedelic or just right. Just like, kind of like a much 157 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:26,360 demovie the other day, which I never saw with Robin Williams. And I was watching it and I 158 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:33,120 was like, Oh my God, it was kind of like, it was just all these beautiful, just colors 159 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:41,720 all over. It's, it's, I can't even explain where I was or like what was happening, but 160 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:47,360 it was just at peace. It was just at peace. 161 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:55,040 Okay. I appreciate that. If you, if you think of any other words for it, we'll, we'll fill 162 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,080 in as we go along. Right. 163 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,600 This I hate to do it, but this is our 10 minute break. Where did you grow up? 164 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:03,600 Yes. 165 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,200 Well, I already know. Long Island. 166 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,640 Well, you lost quite a bit of it. Yeah. 167 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,040 So Florida smoothed it out just a little bit. Just some credit. 168 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,760 Anyway, sorry to get too far sideways, but as long as we're sideways, you can blame my 169 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:24,680 ADD for all this, by the way, as long as we're sideways, I do have to throw out a disclaimer. 170 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:30,720 We are not sponsored by Tums, nor are we saying anything bad about Tums. 171 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,200 No, we're just joking about the concept here. That's all. 172 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,960 The exact, but okay. 173 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,200 That's pretty funny. 174 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:44,400 Let's move on. So what happened after that? Was there a point where you woke up? Did you 175 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,280 feel like you kind of came back? What happened next? 176 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:57,040 Now they, they actually woke me up. So I was in this most beautiful happy place I was ever 177 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:05,320 at. I was so comfortable. It was just enveloped in this like love and, and then all of a sudden 178 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:13,440 I heard my name being screened. Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, open my eyes and I felt like a mask 179 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:20,120 on and I went to like grab it and the doctor was like right in my face. I was like, can 180 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:26,320 I take this off? I can't breathe. And he just said, you know, you just died. Did you see 181 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,640 the light? And I thought that was like the most oddest thing for somebody to say because 182 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:37,680 number one, I didn't know I got in number two, I mean, for a doctor to even say that. And 183 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:44,080 I was like, no, can I get this off? And he's like, when you came back, that's the weirdest 184 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,960 thing. Usually people like in shock or whatever and you're just bitching to get this thing 185 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:57,040 off your face because you can't breathe. And I told them what I saw like briefly. And I 186 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:02,480 don't know the next thing you know, I was like, milled into another room to another 187 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:14,080 cardiologist that had to put in a balloon and a sped in my lower part of my heart. And 188 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:20,480 then I heard from him saying you never should have survived. I mean, every doctor there 189 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:25,920 was like, they're just you never should have survived this. If you never call them ambulance, 190 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:31,760 you would have died. If you want to wait an hour, you would have died. So when they brought 191 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:38,000 me up to the room, I guess I was the girl that wasn't supposed to live. So everybody 192 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,680 kept coming in and asking me for like the nurses, the technicians when they're taking 193 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:49,400 blood or they're like, you know, what happened? And what did you see? And you shouldn't have 194 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:55,640 survived. And it's just crazy. And the last time I was only left three days. And I don't 195 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:00,680 even my eyes and I saw the cardiologist there. And I had to tell him I'm sorry because when 196 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,920 he was putting that thing through the groin to go up into your heart, I'm jumping because 197 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,960 I'm ticklish on my leg. So I was like, listen, I'm really sorry. I was jumping around. He's 198 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,080 like, I just was yelling at you because I was near your heart. 199 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,080 Wow. 200 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:23,640 And I was like, Oh, he says, but you are very, when you say you're a very strong woman to 201 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:30,920 survive this. I said, I didn't do that thing. I said, I was happy. Wherever I was, it was 202 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:36,000 peace. It was beautiful. You all were the ones that were, you know, freaking out and 203 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:41,080 doing what you had to do. I would have been happy if you left me alone. It's kind of like, 204 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:46,040 you know, when you're in a really good sleep and then somebody's like pushing you and saying, 205 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:52,720 now wake up, time to wake up. That's what it was like. I was like so annoyed almost. 206 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,960 But this wasn't a dream was it? 207 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,480 Was not a dream. 208 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,640 What's the difference between this and a dream that somebody's had? 209 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,880 It's not a dream. 210 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,920 I mean, you've told me you thought you think about it every single day. 211 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:12,280 Every book I even got a charm with like an angel ring on it. And I was not a religious 212 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:20,880 person like I was about anything. And now it's like, I don't know, just think about it 213 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,960 every day. At first you get worried like, is it going to happen again? Because I did. 214 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,720 I had a heart attack and I went into beef cardiac arrest. 215 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:36,800 Now, two months ago, I have a knee KG. I was fine. So like, how does that happen? Like, 216 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:42,840 all of a sudden. So you get a little nervous, like, is it going to happen again? The big 217 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,560 thing is the smoking. Did I tell you about the smoking? 218 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,200 No, go ahead. 219 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,280 This is crazy. 220 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,440 Did you start smoking because of this? 221 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,960 I see. Yeah, I just started smoking. 222 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,800 Congratulations, took you this long in life. 223 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,680 Thank you. 224 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:06,120 You know, so I'm 61. I've been smoking since I'm 13. Like my whole life. I've tried to 225 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:13,760 quit so many times. Just never. The night before, of course, you know, I'm still not 226 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,320 feeling well, but I'm smoking, you know, I'm having heartburn, but I'm still smoking. 227 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:27,440 Well, at the hospital, that Sunday, they happened, they were taking me up and the doctor said, 228 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,680 you know, you want us to give you a patch, you'll be more comfortable. I was like, no, 229 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,800 I'm fine. Monday, the nurse is like, right, well, you know, here's your meds, blah, blah, 230 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:43,160 blah, do you want a patch? I said, no, I have like no desire at all. Like I'm completely 231 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:48,920 fine. So by the third day, I went home and I had like three packs of cigarettes sitting 232 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:58,800 on my counter. No desire. I took one out. I smelled it. And I just had no desire. It 233 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,560 was just like completely strange. Usually I'd be like opening it up, lighting it up. 234 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,640 I just fell from the hospital. You know, first thing you want is a cigarette. Yeah, mad one. 235 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:13,800 Well, I had an appointment with the cardiologist two days later, and I'm still not smoking. 236 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:21,320 And he said, when they shot me, it triggered the addiction part of my brain. So my body 237 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:30,400 doesn't think it ever stopped. So I have no cravings. I have no, no feeling about it. 238 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,960 Like actually, like I never did smoke. I could be around it. Smell doesn't bother me. Doesn't 239 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:43,640 make me want one at all. And actually tomorrow will be three months. And I haven't had a cigarette. 240 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:49,600 Well, you've discovered a new anti smoking technique. That's no, but let's not. That 241 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,880 doesn't mean we should pass it around. Exactly. It's all those times. I was going to quit anyway, 242 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:59,320 but I'm sure that would have been part. That's not the first time that I've heard this. Yeah. 243 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:06,800 In fact, I believe it was the interview earlier this year with Vicky episode number three, 244 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:15,720 17. She had, she drank a lot. And after her near death experience, she had no desire to 245 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,120 drink. She went home from the hospital, was going to have a beer, tasted awful, didn't 246 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:25,920 drink it. I can't remember if she had been shocked also. That's really interesting to 247 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:32,640 hear though. Somebody ought to study that. I, well, I also asked him, I said, well, what 248 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:38,080 does that mean that it like hit the addiction part of my brain? So I don't have any addiction. 249 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,920 Like I don't even drink. So I was like, well, what does that mean? He's like, well, now, 250 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,840 you know, maybe you just have to be careful. Like if you know, I drink, you know, I don't 251 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:52,800 know now. We don't know. But he explained it like kind of like when people used to get 252 00:21:52,800 --> 00:22:00,120 like those shocks, like shock therapy for mental illness. Right. Exactly. Then I would, 253 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:06,240 you know, affect certain parts of their brains or whatever. And he just said, no, it affected 254 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:13,760 that area. So did you use to drink quite a bit? No, I never drank. Okay. Just smoked. 255 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,080 Just smoked. That's really interesting. So how's your recovery been? Were you in the 256 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,800 hospital? You said three days? Three days. That was it. They sent me home. They gave 257 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:30,720 me, you know, blood pressure pills, cholesterol pills. And I feel great tired, very tired, 258 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,360 to be honest with you. I think that's, you know, the blood pressure medication. 259 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:38,720 How's your, did it affect your brain function or memory at all? 260 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:47,160 I'm a little bit, I always did see the big animal. So I don't know. I have these like 261 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,040 moments. Go ahead and tell everybody about your use of zoom as we got started today. 262 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:57,200 Oh, and you said, I can't see you. And I was like, well, I don't know why. And then I realized, 263 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,120 I said, all I can see is gray and black. Where are you? Right. And then I was like, oh, I 264 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:09,800 didn't know the camera. Yeah, it didn't open up the laptop. Those are fun moments though. 265 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:16,000 I'm going to blame that on the cardiac arrest thing. Just blaming on the medication. That's 266 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:22,240 what I did when the medication, the cardiac arrest has nothing to do with being blonde. 267 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:28,240 All right. So here's something interesting too. And I told you when I spoke earlier that 268 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:37,000 that date happened to being my mother passed away on February 26, 2009. And this happened 269 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:43,720 February 26, 2023. So I don't know. 270 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,560 You've had three months to think about it. How was that related at all? 271 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:56,240 Well, she was probably saying, you know, you're not stealing my dad. How you going back? Now, 272 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:05,280 I guess way on this day, you're not passing away on this day. I think a lot now, like 273 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:11,000 the question is why? What's the purpose? There's got to be purpose that I was brought 274 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:18,360 back. I believe that. And that's the hard plot because, you know, how do you figure 275 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:22,840 that out? Well, you may need more time for one thing. 276 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:29,680 I'm no longer afraid of death, which my whole life I used to have panic attacks over. I mean, 277 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:36,360 like severe. Okay. And that over the possibility of dying someday. 278 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:42,920 Yeah. My panic attacks since I'm 17 years old were because I went to see a psychologist 279 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:49,040 over it. It was a fear of fear, fear of dying, fear that you're not going to see your mother 280 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,640 and father anymore. You're not going to see, you know, your daughter, you're not going 281 00:24:52,640 --> 00:25:01,360 to see. It was just a fear of dying, not like how you die, but the fear of not being here 282 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,720 anymore. And it's completely gone. 283 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,400 That's a really great thing. I would think to be able to carry that around with you, 284 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,040 not having that fear anymore, especially after having it your whole life. 285 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,600 Yeah. You're not afraid. And when you talk to people, it really, it does help them. 286 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:26,320 A lot of people are afraid of death and they want to know, you know, it comforts them with 287 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:33,520 people that it unfortunately has. It's like, it's like a blessing and it's also like curse 288 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:39,040 that it happened. But you know, it helps a lot of people that are afraid or have fear 289 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:44,160 that it comforts them to know that, you know, you don't need to be afraid. 290 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:49,200 That's a big part of the purpose of this podcast, right? Is to help people understand that. 291 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:56,840 So thank you for that. Right. You're welcome. And if that's the only purpose for it, then 292 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:04,760 that's great. But there's probably more. Yeah. I mean, it's only three months ago. So I mean, 293 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:10,440 there's got to be a reason. Yeah. The medical staff that you told about what happened, how 294 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,880 did they react to that? Well, the doctors, I didn't see them after. I mean, it was just 295 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,120 so quick in the waiting room. And, you know, I told them, you know, exactly what I saw, 296 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:28,400 but I don't know. You know, I was rushed into another, but the ones that came into my room 297 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,760 that were asking me, you know, what happened? What did you see? I mean, everybody's so 298 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:38,480 curious. Kind of odd. I don't know. And maybe some people believe me. Maybe some people 299 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:45,000 didn't believe me. Everybody's just curious. But you know, when I was. 300 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,200 Well, I think it's a good thing that people are curious. Yeah. Because if this would have 301 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:57,360 happened to you in, say, 1983 instead of 2023. Oh, I would have been like a nut job. Yeah. 302 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:02,760 They would have just locked you up somewhere. Yeah. But isn't that odd with the doctor said, 303 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:08,500 like the doctor even asked me, did you say the light? Well, it's because he's, he's 304 00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:15,120 talked to other patients that have had similar experiences, especially cardiologists, right? 305 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:20,600 Where they're, where they're dealing with heart stoppages a lot. There have been some 306 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:30,600 studies done and, and they're pointing out that approximately 20% of people with documented 307 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:36,960 cardiac arrest remember something like you did from the other side. The other 80% do 308 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:43,440 not. Yeah. So you're very lucky to have had an experience that you can also remember. 309 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:49,360 I mean, I mean, it was brief. It was short, but it was beautiful. I mean, I'll never 310 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:56,520 forget it. No, you will never forget it. I promise. So just if you were to summarize 311 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,880 and you did a pretty good job already, but in closing here, if you were to summarize, 312 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:07,720 Hey, there's a whole bunch of people all over the world listening to me. What do you want 313 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:14,080 to say to them? Basically, don't be afraid. Live your life to the fullest because we're 314 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:20,720 really not here that long and just enjoy every day and love, just love everybody around 315 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:27,000 you. Materialistic things are really not working. I mean, I've had everything my whole life. 316 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:33,400 I can share less about that now. It's not important anymore. How does somebody get to 317 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:39,280 that point? If they haven't died and they're wrapped up in, you know, I've got to keep 318 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:45,560 up with the Joneses and I've got to have the latest Mercedes and how do you shift your 319 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:53,880 mind like that? You can't. I don't think you really can. For me now, nothing like that 320 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,400 really matters. I don't need like a Gucci pocketbook. I don't need like a Louis Vuitton 321 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:06,600 watch. I can care less. Everybody is equal. People that don't have and people that hard, 322 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:12,400 it doesn't matter. We're all the same. In the end, we're all the same. You don't even 323 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:21,800 sound that upset about the Cartier bracelet. You know what? I am. I'm not that upset. 324 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:31,080 All right, Deb. Thanks a ton. It's been fun. Thanks again for listening and remember to 325 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,360 share this podcast. 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