1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,200 One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die? 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,080 Is death the end or a new beginning? 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,200 Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast. 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,780 In this show, we listen to firsthand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and 5 00:00:16,780 --> 00:00:23,640 return to talk about it. 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,600 We're taking a long trip today all the way down to Australia talking to Jacob King. 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,320 Jacob, welcome to the show. 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,120 Thanks, Eric. 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,240 Where in Australia are you and what do you do there? 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,240 Melbourne, Australia. 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,880 I've done a lot of different things down here. 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,040 I live kind of somewhat of a bag of all-night style, something like that. 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,320 You could say I find all kinds of jobs to do. 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,960 I don't like to stay in one position for very long. 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,680 I was born in the backseat of a car on the side of the freeway. 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:55,680 Emergency birth. 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,120 And that kind of set the tone for my whole life. 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,120 I've moved. 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,200 I've probably lived in 50 different houses. 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,200 I've probably worked 50 different jobs. 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,600 I've gathered so many different skills and met so many different people from all around 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,280 the country. 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,280 And I enjoy it. 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,200 Whenever I try to stay locked into one place, I start to feel like I'm dying on the inside. 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:20,320 And I move and I explore something new, a new facet of life, a new facet of myself. 26 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:22,480 And that's my lifestyle. 27 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:23,480 That's great. 28 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,520 So nothing's tying you down. 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,960 You're not married with 10 kids and all that kind of stuff. 30 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:31,280 Unmarried with zero kids. 31 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,240 Well, anyway, welcome. 32 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,720 We love to talk to people down there. 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,480 One of my favorite interviews was Greg Keighley, if anybody wants to look it up and listen 34 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:42,840 to him. 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:49,680 He was just a stud Navy guy, talks about getting run over by a ship and stuff. 36 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,040 And anyway, he's on one of the earlier podcast episodes. 37 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,520 But we have a lot of listeners in Australia and New Zealand for some reason. 38 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:58,520 Why is that? 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:59,520 I don't know. 40 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:00,520 I had no idea. 41 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,000 But it's I'll tell you what, when you're down here, you wouldn't think that every now and 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,160 then I've mentioned, you know, brief talks and my experience to people and they just 43 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,560 think that you escape the psychiatric ward. 44 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,040 So I'm not sure. 45 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,520 It definitely doesn't feel like it when you hear. 46 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:17,600 Okay. 47 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,800 Well maybe that's why they're listening is because I mean, obviously there's a lot of 48 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,200 people that have had these experiences, but if they don't talk about it, maybe they just 49 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,200 want to listen. 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,360 And it's one way they're coping with it at this point. 51 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,000 And we've talked about this before. 52 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,400 But you know, in the US anyway, and I know every country and culture is a little bit 53 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,400 different. 54 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:43,200 But you know, 30, 40 years ago, if you talked about your near death experience here, people 55 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,720 did think you were crazy and they were just going to check you into the psych ward. 56 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:55,920 And quite often doctors or nurses or family members would say, yeah, yeah, sure. 57 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:56,920 That happened to you. 58 00:02:56,920 --> 00:03:01,320 But you know, don't talk about it because it's going to ruin the rest of your life. 59 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,000 Anyway, it's nice that now people can be open. 60 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,360 I know your experience happened just over a year ago. 61 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,640 You haven't told many people yet. 62 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:13,440 So we're honored to be able to listen. 63 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:19,720 So Jacob, tell us a little bit about what led up to your near death experience and if 64 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,360 it helps to give more background, go right ahead. 65 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,240 Yeah, so I grew up and had a very rough childhood. 66 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,560 And I literally found from the moment I was born, as I said, emergency birth in the car 67 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,840 on the side of the freeway on a very cold day. 68 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,200 My mom said that I was basically dead at birth. 69 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:44,000 My skin had turned blue from how cold it was in the car. 70 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,600 And so, you know, literally from my first breath, I was traumatized. 71 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,840 I was damaged. 72 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:57,400 And my father was extremely violent, extremely narcissistic, very, very damaged individual 73 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,840 and kind of like that saying goes hurt people hurt people. 74 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,400 And I was definitely on the receiving end of that. 75 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,400 Very, very vicious memories from from childhood. 76 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,760 My mother was quite mentally ill, drug addicted, things like that. 77 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:20,200 Even though that was going on, we were a religious household. 78 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:26,360 My parents both came to Australia from Egypt, and we were of a Coptic Orthodox background. 79 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,680 So it's like, you know, very strict, sort of fundamentalist type of Christian. 80 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,640 And you know, I was going to church all the time on Saturdays and Sundays, partly because 81 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,880 I had to but partly it was just to get away from my dad who never went to church. 82 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,680 And the more time I could spend away from him, the better. 83 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,680 And as I was growing up, I was a very keen athlete. 84 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,360 I loved playing sports. 85 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,720 I would absolutely lose myself playing sports. 86 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,200 My dream was, you know, as the dream of many kids are, I wanted to become a professional 87 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,200 athlete. 88 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,560 And I thought, you know, that's how I was going to make it out that type of dream. 89 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:03,800 But that didn't come to pass. 90 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,920 And when I after I finished high school, and I realized I wasn't going to become a professional 91 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:13,640 at any any sports, my mental health really started to take a turn for the worse. 92 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,440 But I started to feel very suicidal. 93 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,280 And I remember the first time I really felt the temptation to commit suicide, I think 94 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:26,000 that was about 18 or 19 years old. 95 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,720 That stayed with me for a long, long time. 96 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:35,160 I didn't stop feeling suicidal until maybe 12 years later or something like that. 97 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:40,840 And along with that, when you're on death's door, mentally speaking, and you want to commit 98 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:44,400 suicide, you you turn to drugs to numb the pain. 99 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,600 I mean, you can say to pit you can judge people you want for taking drugs, but a lot of time, 100 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,680 that's the lesser of two evils for them. 101 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,720 And that was definitely the case for me. 102 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:59,680 So you know, for me, it was mostly cannabis and alcohol, which, you know, not hard drugs 103 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,680 by any means, but I was on and off with those things. 104 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:10,680 I was always trying to develop my spiritual life on the inside, I always felt a calling 105 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:19,240 a pull on the inside to go towards spirituality, because I knew that something about the spiritual 106 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,880 stuff I know that will satisfy me and heal me on the inside. 107 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,080 And it took me a while before it really started to make sense. 108 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,680 In the meantime, I made over a handful of suicide attempts. 109 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:38,420 So I didn't have any MDEs that I could remember from my suicide attempts. 110 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:44,400 But there was one time, I believe it was 2017. 111 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,920 I woke up in an ambulance after after one of my attempts. 112 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,520 I got taken to the hospital and my girlfriend met me there. 113 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,280 And the first thing I said to her was, I need to start doing martial arts. 114 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:00,120 And she was like, you can barely talk right now. 115 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,800 Like, you've lost your job, you got no money, you just became homeless. 116 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,880 And you're talking about joining a martial arts club. 117 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,320 I was like, I don't care. 118 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,360 That's all I'm going to do. 119 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,640 And it was just so random. 120 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,480 And looking back on it, now I think I must have had an NDE and they must have told me 121 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,160 you need to start practicing martial arts as your catharsis on earth. 122 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,560 It must have been because that's the only way I can explain that. 123 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,560 And long story short, I did join a martial arts gym. 124 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,040 I found a coach there who really resembled my father in a lot of ways. 125 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,680 He looked a lot like my dad. 126 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,120 He had the exact same type of build, the same type of body, the same kind of raw power, 127 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,620 strength, that alpha behavior, all of it. 128 00:07:41,620 --> 00:07:46,880 But he was much more calm and composed and he had his healthy outlet for his masculine 129 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:47,880 behavior. 130 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,000 Yeah, he kept it under control. 131 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Exactly. 132 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 Yeah. 133 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,120 My father never had, he needed to go to the gym. 134 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,840 My father needed a boxing club or something like that. 135 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:57,960 But he didn't have that. 136 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,300 So I was his boxing bag, you know. 137 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:08,020 But this guy who was my coach, we'll just call him Coach Vic, he often would trigger 138 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:11,960 me in a lot of ways where I would kind of snap at him like as if, you know, it's like 139 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,520 I was working out things with my dad with him and he would always forgive me, which 140 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,960 was interesting. 141 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,120 And he really, he didn't have a son. 142 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,120 He had four daughters. 143 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,120 He always wanted a son. 144 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,680 And I sort of became like that son that he wanted to have, you know. 145 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:32,640 It was interesting because it really became a healing journey for both of us. 146 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,880 And as time went on, I got better and better at martial arts and I was mainly doing Brazilian 147 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,920 Jiu Jitsu and I started competing in tournaments and I started winning these tournaments and 148 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,120 I was really like flying high. 149 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:50,400 You know, I was, I started to really focus in eating healthy, not doing drugs, all of 150 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,060 that good stuff. 151 00:08:52,060 --> 00:08:59,680 And that lasted for a good few years until the lockdowns hit in 2020. 152 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:04,080 If you remember anything, if you've heard anything about the meltdown lockdown in 2020, 153 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,540 2021, they were the strictest in the world outside of China. 154 00:09:08,540 --> 00:09:14,320 We couldn't leave our homes more than three miles and only for essential purposes. 155 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,760 And if we wanted to go out and exercise, we could walk for like an hour or two and that's 156 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:18,760 it. 157 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:19,760 There was no clubs. 158 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:20,760 There was no training. 159 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,300 And that was my therapy. 160 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:25,480 And I tried my best to keep it together during that time. 161 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,240 I know it's meditation and prayer and all these things. 162 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,840 And I was trying my best, but I fell apart. 163 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,320 I couldn't keep it together for long. 164 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,400 And I fell into the drugs and alcohol very, very heavily, even worse than before. 165 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,520 Drinking all day, every day, smoking all day, every day, and some harder drugs that I want 166 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:44,940 to get into. 167 00:09:44,940 --> 00:09:49,760 But it was a rough time for me and I became very, very suicidal. 168 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:55,760 And that continued up until that sinful night in October 2021. 169 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,920 And having the same old routine that I had every night after getting my paycheck where 170 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:06,480 I could afford to go out and get all the expensive drugs that were really going to numb the pain 171 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:07,480 and that. 172 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:13,200 I took that chemical cocktail as I usually did, but I had a completely different experience 173 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,200 this time. 174 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,960 And I've never been the same since that night. 175 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,440 Well, take a breath and let's go ahead and get into it. 176 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,480 So what happened was then I was just doing my thing. 177 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,800 I was in my room by myself and I just passed out. 178 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:37,920 I passed out and when I passed out, I was instantly somewhere else, a very dark place, 179 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,280 completely black all around me. 180 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,240 And I was conscious and I was just like, okay, what is this? 181 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,240 What just happened? 182 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:53,320 I started to feel like I was surrounded by all this warm, loving, beautiful, soothing, 183 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,600 loving energy. 184 00:10:54,600 --> 00:11:00,400 It was something that I've never felt before, never experienced here on earth, anything 185 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,720 like that. 186 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:08,280 And it felt a bit like if you hug someone that you haven't seen for a long time and 187 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,900 when you hug them, you can sort of melt into their arms. 188 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:18,560 It felt like that, but times a hundred or times a thousand, well beyond anything that 189 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:23,000 it's like the human brain has a limit on the chemicals it can produce to make you feel 190 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000 good. 191 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,520 And it's way beyond that. 192 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,000 The human brain cannot create these kinds of sensations. 193 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,240 I've mentioned this before. 194 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,600 In fact, a few times, I hope people don't mind me mentioning it again, because we had 195 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,360 a guest describe this love in what I thought was the greatest way. 196 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,760 It fits with what you just said. 197 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:49,840 And that is he said it felt like a hug from a thousand grandmas all at the same time. 198 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,120 I don't even know if that does it justice. 199 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,200 I mean, it really does. 200 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:01,200 I've been trying to think about a way to describe this love for the longest time. 201 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,280 Put it this way. 202 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:07,080 When I felt this love, I was intimidated by it, which sounds like an oxymoron. 203 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:08,640 How can you be intimidated by love? 204 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,080 I was genuinely intimidated at the power of it. 205 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,640 Calling it love almost seems like the wrong word to use. 206 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,760 I think we need a stronger word than that, like cosmic love or something. 207 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:26,000 It was like all the power of all the universes was being run by this love. 208 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,960 And all that love was surrounding and enveloping me. 209 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:34,040 So this wasn't the kind of thing you've ever felt with alcohol and drugs before. 210 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,720 This was completely different. 211 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,720 Completely. 212 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,120 Enough that I know it changed your life in many ways. 213 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,120 Yeah. 214 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,120 OK, keep going. 215 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:49,040 As my brain is still working, I'm feeling my bones relax and my cells are... 216 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,920 I feel every cell in my body telling me, oh, we're going to turn off now. 217 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,320 We're not needed anymore. 218 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:56,320 Our job is done. 219 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,960 And the cells in my body just gave up. 220 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:03,520 And I was still there when I could just feel this energy. 221 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,840 And I remembered this energy from somewhere. 222 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,880 It felt familiar. 223 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:14,120 And I was trying to think, where do I remember this energy from? 224 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,320 Scanning through all my life. 225 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,280 And I was able to scan through my whole life within a second. 226 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,640 It was not a life review. 227 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:22,640 Something else. 228 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,120 It was just a quick scan throughout, looking for that energy. 229 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,960 And then I went before my life. 230 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,200 And that's when I remembered it. 231 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,640 And I said, oh, I spent time in this energy before I was born. 232 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,120 This is God's energy. 233 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,360 Oh, God's given me a hard ride now. 234 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,640 I'm back with God again. 235 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:49,120 I just felt this almighty release like, wow, I'm back. 236 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,600 I'm back home again. 237 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,880 Every single thing I wanted to experience on Earth, all the pleasure, all the love, 238 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:04,240 the drugs, the women, you name it, everything I was chasing on Earth was like I was looking 239 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,880 for this feeling again. 240 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,640 And I didn't know it. 241 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,520 And that's why nothing on Earth really satisfies us for very long. 242 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,040 We're always saying, I need more of this, or I'm having too much, or not enough. 243 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:22,320 We never find that part of complete stillness, not for very long anyway. 244 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,600 But now I found it. 245 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,480 I found that thing that my soul was crying out for all this time. 246 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,880 And I just wanted to stay there forever. 247 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,560 And I melted into God's arms. 248 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:39,400 And then he took me out of this black void sort of area. 249 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,120 And I was instantly taken into another dimension. 250 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:51,520 This other dimension looked a lot like space, but the stars that were everywhere were emanating 251 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,120 these beautiful colors, these beautiful lights that were changing. 252 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,780 They were dynamic. 253 00:14:56,780 --> 00:14:59,280 The lights were changing always. 254 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:08,640 And as I was looking at all this, I could see God was gathering all these lights together. 255 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,040 And these lights were responsive. 256 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,040 They were conscious. 257 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,240 And I felt like they were all souls. 258 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,080 I don't want to say human souls, because human souls doesn't really make sense. 259 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,820 They were souls. 260 00:15:19,820 --> 00:15:21,800 And he was gathering them all together. 261 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:29,080 And he was kind of creating these effects that you could almost say it was like a display 262 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,200 of fireworks. 263 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,560 But that doesn't quite do it justice either. 264 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:39,680 He was basically creating art with these lights, and the art was alive and changing and moving 265 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,560 and evolving and revolving. 266 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:49,800 And I was just so amazed and astonished at what I was looking at that I felt like it 267 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,220 was too beautiful for me to handle. 268 00:15:53,220 --> 00:15:57,940 Like the sheer beauty of what I was experiencing was enough to kill me. 269 00:15:57,940 --> 00:16:02,920 If you've ever looked at something and you were in awe, multiply that awe over and over 270 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:09,000 and over again, there's a point where there's too much awe and you're going to have a heart 271 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,000 attack. 272 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Beyond awe. 273 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,000 Yeah. 274 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,800 Death by astonishment was what I was experiencing. 275 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,840 And I was kind of like saying, oh God, this is getting too much. 276 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,160 And God kind of, he kind of has a sense of humor. 277 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,160 He kind of chuckled. 278 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,920 He was like, just kick back and then like, I'm putting on a show for you. 279 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,360 You just enjoy it. 280 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:38,040 And he enjoyed giving me the service of a beauty that goes beyond any human comprehension 281 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,680 and just letting me experience that. 282 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,500 He loved giving me that service. 283 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:44,440 He was so humble. 284 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,680 He wasn't, he was very different to the religious God I was taught about grounding out. 285 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:54,360 He wasn't judging me for being a drug addict and suicidal guy. 286 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,880 He was just like, I'm here to serve you. 287 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:58,880 I'm here to heal you. 288 00:16:58,880 --> 00:16:59,880 I love you. 289 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,960 That is so cool. 290 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,480 Was there sort of a progress like this all happened at the first and then was there a 291 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,840 next step to this? 292 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,680 Maybe just tell me what you remember next. 293 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:15,600 I remember it like sequentially, but when I was there, there was no sense of time. 294 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,440 I can only translate it into time when I'm here. 295 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,440 Right. 296 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,640 Because it's just the way the human brain works. 297 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,120 I'm limited by that again, unfortunately. 298 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:28,400 But so yeah, I do remember it sequentially. 299 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:33,900 Anyways, the next thing I remember was we started flying through all of these lights 300 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:38,120 and through all of this artwork and everything that it was creating. 301 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:43,680 And as I was flying through it, it was like I was experiencing all of the love and all 302 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:50,360 the beauty and all of it as I was experiencing the inertia of the flights. 303 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,800 And the flying felt a bit like flying underwater. 304 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:59,240 You know, if you ever swam underwater, if you've ever, you know, sort of flown as well, 305 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,200 like it's the same sort of thing at the same time. 306 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:03,920 Because it's three dimensional. 307 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,080 You're not limited to just walking along a sidewalk. 308 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,080 Exactly. 309 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,080 Yeah. 310 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,080 Right. 311 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,080 Up, down, side, side to side. 312 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,080 Yeah. 313 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,080 It's all of it at once. 314 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,680 It's there's no limits there. 315 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,980 Before you go on, you just mentioned we. 316 00:18:18,980 --> 00:18:23,680 So this was you felt like you and God doing this traveling together. 317 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:24,800 Absolutely. 318 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,880 Was it a seeing this being or just feeling this being a good question? 319 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,960 It was just feeling there was no I know most people say they saw God as a white light. 320 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,800 I don't recall seeing him as a white light. 321 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,840 I recall him being completely invisible, but he may as well have been visible. 322 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,820 I knew exactly where he was. 323 00:18:43,820 --> 00:18:46,680 You can feel the energy coming off of God. 324 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,480 And God was not limited by any form. 325 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,520 I didn't just feel like God was next to me. 326 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:57,760 I felt like this whole area I was in was God and everything I was saying was God. 327 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:04,200 But it was like a piece of God just came to hang out with me as well, if that makes any 328 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,200 sense. 329 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,280 Um, there is actually a verse in the Bible that said it's something like definition of 330 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:14,320 God being that in which we move and have our being. 331 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,360 It was all of it at once, which I know is hard to understand. 332 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:20,340 It's hard to describe that. 333 00:19:20,340 --> 00:19:25,440 But anyways, he was always sort of on my left side and I was always on his right side throughout 334 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,240 this whole experience. 335 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:33,080 And as we were flying through and experiencing all this, it was getting really, really, really 336 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:40,400 intense and we approached this large tower and this tower was made out of light, same 337 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,600 kind of light that all the stars were made out of. 338 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,800 And I looked up at this tower as we got to it and I couldn't see the top of it. 339 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,880 And we started to fly up the side of this tower going towards the top of it. 340 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,320 And the speed was increasing, increasing, increasing. 341 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,840 And the inertia was getting really formed and I started to feel like I was reaching 342 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,600 my breaking point. 343 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,660 It was like, oh, like another ounce of this. 344 00:20:08,660 --> 00:20:12,560 And I think I might just completely eviscerate. 345 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:13,560 It's getting too much. 346 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:19,600 The love, the inertia, the excitement, the beauty, all of it, too much. 347 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,600 I'm about to lose it. 348 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:21,800 I'm about to die. 349 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:27,640 And just as I got to within a whisker of feeling like I was about to die, we made it to the 350 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,500 top of this tower. 351 00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:34,280 And I took a breather and I was like, whoa, nearly lost it there. 352 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,960 And then I looked around and I just, I could see from the top of this tower looking out 353 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:45,800 and I could see billions and billions of these light-filled alps that were just in view. 354 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:51,240 It was a bit like, it's a bit like the sand on the beach, but imagine if you could see 355 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:56,540 each piece of sand on the beach at the same time and each piece of sand was conscious 356 00:20:56,540 --> 00:21:00,840 and beautiful and you could experience each piece of sand individually. 357 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,040 But it was all spread out the same way as it is when you look out at the ocean as far 358 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,940 as the eye can see. 359 00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:11,840 Feeling, I mean, to call that breathtaking is a huge understatement. 360 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,720 And I just took it all in and God was to my side and on my left. 361 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,480 I could feel what God was going to do next. 362 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,980 And the next thing we were going to do is we were going to fly through that. 363 00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:26,880 And I was like, oh God, wait a minute. 364 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,400 And nearly died coming up this tower. 365 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,940 I could, I barely held on. 366 00:21:31,940 --> 00:21:34,600 If I go through that, I'm dead for sure. 367 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,080 For sure I'm dead. 368 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,360 And he just said, yes, I saw that. 369 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,200 All right, okay, let's do it. 370 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:49,080 Which I know sounds crazy from a human perspective, but being in front of God, there was so much 371 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,000 trust, so much faith. 372 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,240 I didn't just trust him. 373 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,680 It was like, he is wisdom. 374 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,640 He is knowledge. 375 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,600 So if he says it's okay to do this, like, I'm not going to trust my thinking over his 376 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,600 thinking. 377 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,760 You know? 378 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,520 So I just said, all right, it's so I'm going to die. 379 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,080 I'm going to die. 380 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,680 And he picked me up like I was a paper plane. 381 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,840 And he just threw me and I started sailing through all this light. 382 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,340 Same thing again, the inertia, the love, the beauty, all of it increasing and increasing 383 00:22:22,340 --> 00:22:23,940 and increasing. 384 00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:27,600 And I got to that same point where I thought, oh, this is too much. 385 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,880 Oh God, I'm about to die. 386 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,940 I'm about to die. 387 00:22:29,940 --> 00:22:31,080 And it kept increasing. 388 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,800 And I got past that point of feeling like I was going to die. 389 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,000 And when I got past that point of feeling like I was about to die, when I got past that 390 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,760 point, I started to feel like my skin was being pulled off me. 391 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:49,760 My bones, my muscles, all the human layers were just coming off one by one by one. 392 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,760 There was no pain. 393 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,440 And it felt like taking off a tight shoe. 394 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:00,400 Just this release of energy and all the trauma from my childhood just came off. 395 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Wow, it's just beautiful. 396 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,320 It's like, oh, yeah. 397 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,320 Keep taking off these layers. 398 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,040 So it was like the human identity, the ego was dying. 399 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:14,000 It was just one layer after another until I got to the last layer. 400 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,720 And when I got to the last layer, I started to feel a little bit worried. 401 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,840 I started to feel like, oh, when this last layer goes, there's nothing left. 402 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,400 I wonder what happens then. 403 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,400 And we kept flying and flying and this last layer wouldn't dissolve. 404 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,360 It stayed. 405 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:34,560 And I was like, man, whatever layer this is that can survive this, that's a very special 406 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,560 layer. 407 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,560 I wonder what that is. 408 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,480 And then when I thought that, God stopped me from flying. 409 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:48,040 And he just, he picked me up and it was like picking up, you know, one of those grains 410 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,040 of sand. 411 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:54,420 And he just held me and then I was able to see this layer from his perspective. 412 00:23:54,420 --> 00:23:58,200 So I was looking at myself through his eyes. 413 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,400 And he showed me this was just like a little white light that was inside. 414 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,840 That was like the light of my soul. 415 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,640 And this layer did not dissolve in this area. 416 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,060 And this, this little white light looked just like all the lights around me, but without 417 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:18,480 the dynamic color changing, it was just the pure black canvas. 418 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:24,160 And he said, you see this right here, no matter what you've been through, no matter what you 419 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:30,240 will go through, this is eternal, this does not change. 420 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,720 This is who you really are. 421 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,520 Remember this. 422 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,040 And he just rolled me like rolling a marble out of his hand. 423 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:45,720 And I joined all the other lights and it felt like a drop of water joining the ocean again. 424 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,080 And I became one with all the lights. 425 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,360 I joined all of them and we became one unified being. 426 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:57,880 Me and all the billions of lights became one. 427 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,960 And when I became one with all the lights, I felt like I became one with God. 428 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,920 I became just like God. 429 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:14,000 There was no, not even one little millimeter of humanity left in me. 430 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,280 It was just, I was one with God. 431 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:23,240 To call that bliss and ecstasy is a huge understatement. 432 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:34,120 It was the most, I felt a sense of belonging, like this was the source of my being. 433 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:39,160 The absolute beginning of who I was was this before I was separated from God. 434 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,400 And I just felt like I'm back home again and that's it. 435 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,320 There's nothing, there's nothing left of me, Jacob, the human. 436 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,080 It's just me, one with God, one with everything. 437 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:58,480 And I stayed there for what felt like eternity, but it's hard to say that because obviously 438 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,880 I came out of it again. 439 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,160 And I stayed there forever long. 440 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,560 I needed to stay there. 441 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,080 And God plucked me back out again. 442 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:17,120 And when God plucked me back out, he just held me in his hand and I saw an image appear, 443 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:25,040 just like this image materialized of this body here back on earth, passed out. 444 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,120 And I was like, oh, forgot about that guy. 445 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:32,000 Yeah, that's what I came from. 446 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,680 And then I realized, are you going to send me back to that again, aren't you? 447 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,320 He said yes. 448 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,800 And I said, okay, wait, before you send me back, can I ask some questions? 449 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:42,800 He said yes. 450 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,160 And I started to think like a human again. 451 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,280 I remembered what it was like to be a human. 452 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,720 And what went through my mind was when I get back to being a human, there's a lot of things 453 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,120 I know I want to ask you, God. 454 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:58,680 So I'm going to get that out of the way now so I don't regret the time I spent here. 455 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:04,680 And they said, first of all, how can I go from all of this, all this love and this beauty 456 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,600 and everything to going back to that? 457 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:08,960 It's too much of a contrast. 458 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,680 I cannot go back to that and just go back to being the same drug addict, depressed, 459 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,440 suicidal, bye again. 460 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,640 I cannot. 461 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,880 And all he said was, that's okay. 462 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:27,400 And when he said that's okay, what was embedded in that vibration was, I do not judge you 463 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,080 for everything you've been through. 464 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:37,640 So the way you've handled your pain and all the decisions you made with the resources 465 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,680 that you had, I understand. 466 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,120 I'm not here to judge you. 467 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,160 It's okay. 468 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:50,680 And it was complete love and complete acceptance without an ounce of judgment. 469 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:56,360 And I felt good, you know, because with my religious upbringing, I was going to hell 470 00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:57,360 for sure. 471 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,560 And he said, no, it's okay. 472 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:06,600 And I said, okay, but when I go back, I'm going to want to tell everyone about this 473 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,440 and they're not going to believe me. 474 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,040 I mentioned some names. 475 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,400 I said, oh, my cousin, my mother can reenact it. 476 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,160 Go to fear. 477 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,520 Can you show them this love as well? 478 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,680 Can you let them experience this? 479 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,560 And then he said, well, that's what you're there for. 480 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,320 So you were sent back with a message. 481 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,000 Yeah. 482 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,800 But I struggled when he told me that. 483 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,280 How can I show you this love? 484 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,280 That's not possible. 485 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,600 I'm not, no one would ever experience this kind of love. 486 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,400 And he said, just ask me for help. 487 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,520 You can do that. 488 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:48,680 And when you asked me for help, ask to help to become an outlet for this love. 489 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,040 And I thought outlet is a very interesting word to use here. 490 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,440 I thought about this a lot when I got back. 491 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,520 Like I don't have to produce this love because I'm not capable of it. 492 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:04,240 All I have to do is move out of the way and the love will just flow right through me. 493 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,640 And I said, okay, I'll do that. 494 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,920 But what is so much harder on earth. 495 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,400 Like it feels so easy up here. 496 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,920 When you're down there, it's a lot more confusing. 497 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,960 I cannot go back to being that same guy. 498 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,960 I can't. 499 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,480 And I definitely can't go there and lose touch with you again. 500 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,200 If I lose my connection with you again, God. 501 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,720 And I was just, I started to really like panic a little bit, like that's not going to happen. 502 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,920 Then it's not going to happen. 503 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,120 And then he stopped me and he said, I am you. 504 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,040 And then I stopped and I again, I struggled. 505 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,040 I couldn't accept it. 506 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,960 What do you mean you are me? 507 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Yeah. 508 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,960 What did that mean? 509 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,520 So I asked him, he could see I couldn't accept it. 510 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:54,480 And what happened was I was back in the sort of like an ethereal type of human body back 511 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,560 there again. 512 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:02,040 And out of this, out of my forehead, shot out this giant eye, a giant golden eye came 513 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,280 out of my forehead and it was looking at me, but it was strange because it was coming from 514 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,920 me, but looking back at me. 515 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:20,360 And he said, I am viewing your life and experiencing your life through you as you. 516 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,200 You and me are one. 517 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,120 And he sort of gave me this hint through not through words, but through vibration. 518 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:33,360 If you just tap into that third eye there, you can tap into me. 519 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,880 And I didn't understand it really. 520 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:42,960 And then I was sent back and I just woke up the next day feeling very groggy and hungover 521 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:49,480 and very confused, very confused, bewildered, beyond belief. 522 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,000 I started crying when I woke up. 523 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,360 I was just crying and that wasn't a drug trip. 524 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,360 Was it a drug trip? 525 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,400 Did drugs do that to people? 526 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,360 What happened last night? 527 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,040 And then I was like, oh, let's see. 528 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,080 I rolled myself a cigarette. 529 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,080 I went to the park. 530 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,080 I sat down. 531 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:13,760 I sat down at the park and I thought, I thought long and hard, what just, have I lost my mind? 532 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,760 What was that? 533 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:15,760 Okay. 534 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,280 If I was with God, why am I smoking a cigarette the next day? 535 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,200 Wouldn't all that stop going away? 536 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:27,960 And then I was looking out and I realized something strange was I was no longer seeing with my 537 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,280 eyes. 538 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,360 I felt like I was seeing through my eyes. 539 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,080 My eyes felt like windows now. 540 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,720 And I thought about that third eye thing and I thought, oh, I'm seeing through something 541 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,720 else now. 542 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,520 I'm seeing things in a different way, through a different lens, literally through a different 543 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,520 lens. 544 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,720 I started getting downloads coming in and the first download that came in was the story 545 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,960 of the prodigal son. 546 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,400 And the prodigal son, he, somebody grows up in the palace with his father and he says, 547 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,760 I want to go out and experience the world. 548 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,080 He goes out and experiences the world. 549 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,080 He comes back. 550 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,080 Sorry. 551 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:11,560 And while he's experiencing the world, he ends up getting ruined and living with pigs 552 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,520 and eating pig slop at the pig farm. 553 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,560 And he's just absolutely ruined and over it, he says, let's sit and go back home again, 554 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,680 some of that, some of that rightful place. 555 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,320 And that's kind of what happened with me, but I understood it from a different perspective 556 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,640 of shifting out of the ego. 557 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,000 The development of the ego was the thing that is going out to interact with the world, to 558 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,360 become a worldly person. 559 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,360 Yes, I'm Jacob King, I'm a this, I'm a that, I'm a that, but I'm not any of that. 560 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,920 All I really am is the soul of life within that is directly connected with God. 561 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,600 And when I got sick of the ego and how it ruined me and drove me to utter despair and 562 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:57,040 suicidality, then that was my time to return home and be with God again. 563 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:03,320 Let's just finish the story of the prodigal son and how it fit with your experience. 564 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,920 He's ready to go back and just be a servant, right, to his father. 565 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,200 He doesn't think his father's even going to take him back for all the things he's done, 566 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,960 the fortune he's burned through, etc. 567 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:22,240 And what his father does is immediately forgives him, puts a coat on him, throws a big feast, 568 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,880 a big party. 569 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:31,680 There's not, there's not like a year of, you know, repent, do penance and all this kind 570 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,000 of stuff. 571 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,280 It's an immediate forgiveness. 572 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:41,080 Yeah, and it seems like you and many other people have felt that. 573 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,000 Yeah, it definitely was. 574 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:51,720 And I, it was an adjustment process still, like it wasn't all, you know, sunshine and 575 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,720 rainbows when I got back. 576 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,080 No, that's often the hard part. 577 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,120 Yeah, it really is. 578 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:06,000 Because you've experienced something that is so amazing and your experience is amazing. 579 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,960 I thank you very much for sharing, by the way. 580 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:17,980 It's hard to go from that to back to, I'll just call it reality here on earth, where 581 00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:23,740 things are tough and that love that you just experienced, I don't know how to experience 582 00:34:23,740 --> 00:34:28,640 it here, at least not to that kind of degree. 583 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,560 So you miss that, right? 584 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,960 You know, I, that was part of the adjustment process was I did miss it. 585 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,740 The first two months or so, two, three months that I was back, I was swinging wildly in 586 00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:42,920 between states of bliss and states of despair. 587 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,040 And I could go back and forth multiple times a day. 588 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,940 I was crying every single day, bawling my eyes out. 589 00:34:49,940 --> 00:34:55,240 I was out of bliss and sometimes out of despair and sometimes both at the same time. 590 00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:57,560 And I knew I looked like a right mental case. 591 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:04,840 Like as time went on, I, you know, for a while I gave up the drugs and alcohol and that, 592 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,000 but I was still very confused with the world. 593 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,560 The world still had its grip on me. 594 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,840 I was kind of like working a new job and I was ambitious and motivated, had all the ego 595 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,720 drives still there. 596 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:22,480 But it was sort of mixed in with this, I don't know what you call it, but the godliness, 597 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,240 that vibration was there too. 598 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:28,080 And it was kind of tainted, you know, by all of that. 599 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:36,080 The first thing I realized was that women were the distraction, the lust and the pleasures 600 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:44,120 of the flesh were a huge distraction from that pure vibration of God within. 601 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,160 Not to say that, you know, people were married and all that, no, nothing. 602 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:54,360 It was just people who are obsessed with lust and that never ending desire to satisfy the 603 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,800 body which can never really be satisfied. 604 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,920 No one is chasing sexual pleasure ever gets talking about where they go, oh, I'm satisfied 605 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,960 now I've had my fill, nice. 606 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,240 You just keep chasing it. 607 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:06,820 It's a bottomless pit. 608 00:36:06,820 --> 00:36:09,560 And that's, I realized like, okay, I can't do that anymore. 609 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,400 So I had to break open my girlfriend. 610 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,440 I mean, being in a toxic work environment full of guys who were bullying each other 611 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,360 and being mean and doing this and doing that and we're fighting was necessary. 612 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,000 I couldn't do that anymore. 613 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,480 People would disrespect me and I was just like, I don't even feel like fighting back 614 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,480 anymore. 615 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,760 I don't feel like being the dominant guy anymore. 616 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,960 This just doesn't interest me now. 617 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,380 So I couldn't master that job anymore. 618 00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:40,120 And then that was just like one thing after another. 619 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,480 This was the process of me dying to the world. 620 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,560 And let me tell you, at one point I became very sour because I was not expecting it to 621 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,560 be like this. 622 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,840 I thought when I got back that that's it, I was enlightened. 623 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,880 It's gonna be easy. 624 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:53,880 Oh, no. 625 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,800 No, no, it doesn't work that way. 626 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,680 It's much more difficult than that. 627 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,880 Yeah, I started to doubt my experience. 628 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,040 I started to think, well, maybe this was just a drug hallucination thing because I'm a mess. 629 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,400 I'm more of a mess now than I was before I left. 630 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,400 I got sour. 631 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,400 I'll be honest. 632 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,080 I got very angry with God. 633 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,600 And I was like, whether or not this experience was real, if you're real, why is this happening 634 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,600 to me? 635 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,840 Why are people, either when they're meeting you or believing they met you, like you shouldn't 636 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,840 be letting this happen. 637 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,560 Are you even real? 638 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,720 And I tried to convince myself that my NDE was fake, but I just couldn't. 639 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:40,880 There was too many gifts that came after my return that I couldn't deny. 640 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,280 I could not rationalize them. 641 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,800 And some of them just seemed really silly. 642 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,120 I'll give you one example. 643 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:55,680 The one time I was at home and this was early 2022 and I just returned to the drugs and 644 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,800 alcohol again to numb my despair. 645 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,320 And I had ordered a pizza, which was being delivered to the house and I thought, I feel 646 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,240 like doing something nice for the delivery driver. 647 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,560 I'm going to give him a big tip. 648 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,400 I mean, I got some money. 649 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,480 As I collected the money, I heard a voice in my head. 650 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,000 The voice in my head said, you're going to be too embarrassed to give that tip to the 651 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000 driver. 652 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,280 Well, not what's so embarrassing about giving a tip to the driver. 653 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,080 I just tried to ignore it. 654 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,760 And then I was waiting by the door and I could see out the driver's door came a woman that 655 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,960 I used to go to church with when I was younger. 656 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,160 And I was like, oh, I can't barely see me drunk like this. 657 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,160 And I got too embarrassed. 658 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,840 I thought, oh no. 659 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,440 And there were so many things happening like that where this communication coming from 660 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,200 the other side in ways that I can't deny, I cannot rationalize it away. 661 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,340 I had to come to terms with what was happening. 662 00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:55,800 And the image that kept coming to my mind throughout this depression was about this 663 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,120 ego that I experienced when I was flying through with the lights and I could feel all the layers 664 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,760 of my human identity come off me. 665 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,520 That image was constantly being beamed into my mind. 666 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,560 They're saying, remember, remember. 667 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:16,200 And at some point I was resigned to the fact that I was basically going through the earth 668 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,480 version of that, but it wasn't fun and it was not blissful. 669 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,320 It was very painful. 670 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:32,080 And when I got out of that was later on in 2022, so not too long ago, where I was driving 671 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,680 and somebody got really aggressive with me on the road. 672 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,600 And usually I'm the kind of guy all my life, you want to road rage with me, you road rage 673 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:40,600 with the wrong guy. 674 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,600 Like I'm crazy. 675 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:48,120 And I had this shift in perspective where I just felt to my very core, like I was just 676 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,080 dying and I was done with this world. 677 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,320 And I thought, you know what, you're still playing that human game. 678 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,680 It means so much for you to get in front of me and act like that. 679 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:57,980 Go for it. 680 00:39:57,980 --> 00:39:59,760 And I gave it a gate in space. 681 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,000 And then I started giving other people space and I started serving other people on the 682 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,300 road. 683 00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:09,340 And when that happened, I felt like a little door open up within me. 684 00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:13,920 And it's like I walked into this inner door and I was back surrounded by the love and 685 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,920 the peace again. 686 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,640 And I was like, you made it. 687 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,640 You made it. 688 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:19,640 You figured it out. 689 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,600 You made that one step anyway. 690 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,200 And there's lots more steps. 691 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,520 Yeah, a hundred percent. 692 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,840 And it's a constant thing. 693 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,960 So now it's just like being in the present moment all the time. 694 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,360 And whenever I do something that gets me out of the present moment, out of the state of 695 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,320 flow, these things are what is called sin. 696 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,160 Whenever I sin, I lose my connection with God. 697 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,000 I lose that inner peace, that inner serenity. 698 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,880 I'm not trying to think what is seen. 699 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,440 I'm not doing it because it's right or wrong. 700 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,040 I'm doing as Jesus said, and being like a little child. 701 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,600 Little child doesn't go and hug his mom because it's the right thing to do. 702 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,040 He's just doing what he's feeling in the moment. 703 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,960 And that's how I'm living my life. 704 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,960 And it's worked wonders. 705 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,720 It's been amazing. 706 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:09,640 And I haven't been the same since then. 707 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,640 All right. 708 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,640 Let me ask you a hard one. 709 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:12,640 Sure. 710 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,400 So from the things that happened in your childhood, you carried a lot of baggage and hurt and 711 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,160 I assume anger and pain. 712 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,280 We'll just call it PTSD for a big general term here. 713 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,240 How much of that was in those layers that just wiped away? 714 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,960 Or how much did you still come back with and have to deal with? 715 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,520 I still had to deal with all of it when I came back. 716 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,360 But in the experience, I lost it all. 717 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:49,440 What I experienced when I came back was my experience was more of almost like a trailer, 718 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,760 almost like a lesson. 719 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:58,280 What happens with this experience when you stop identifying with the human layers and 720 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,720 you identify with something deeper. 721 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:05,680 But see, once I came back to earth, I'm back in all the human layers. 722 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,380 Look, I'm in a body. 723 00:42:07,380 --> 00:42:08,880 The layers are back. 724 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,160 My nervous system remembers all the things that I went through. 725 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,320 I still have my triggers. 726 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,960 I still get angry and snappy. 727 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,920 But because I identify with something deeper, those layers are slowly dissolving energetically. 728 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:28,200 NDEs are no shortcut to, at least for me, it was not a shortcut for healing. 729 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,120 And I felt one of the things I felt very strongly upon returning was you're going to have to 730 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,320 learn how to heal so you can show others how to heal as well. 731 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,000 Because there are a lot of people who are listening to these NDEs going, oh, I could 732 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,600 have one, then everything would be all right. 733 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,920 It's not quite. 734 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:46,920 It's not quite. 735 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,440 But the things that I had to do to learn to heal and to recover and restore myself are 736 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,360 things that everybody else can do as well. 737 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,960 So how are you helping people do that now? 738 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,920 Well, I'm still healing myself. 739 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:04,880 So I actually am in touch with Greg Shealy, who is one of your former guests, that he's 740 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,600 a hypnotherapist now. 741 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:12,000 And he's been giving me great sessions on releasing all the pent-up trauma stored within 742 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,000 me. 743 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,360 And I'm just, I'm not going out and choosing to do anything. 744 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,960 I'm just being in the flow state. 745 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,400 And when I'm in the flow state, God is putting me in places in bizarre scenarios where I'm 746 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,920 just happened to meet the right person who needs to hear the right thing at the right 747 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,920 time. 748 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,360 I could literally be at my mate's house and somebody calls him and asks him a question. 749 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,400 He says, oh, I don't know, but this guy knows. 750 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,400 And then he'll give me the phone and I'll start talking to his friend and we'll have 751 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,400 a 45 minute conversation. 752 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,760 I'm going to turn around and my mates fall asleep on the couch. 753 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,760 Things like that. 754 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,760 It's like almost every day I'm experiencing miracles, but I'm not creating the miracles. 755 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,920 I'm just being the outlet. 756 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,060 I'm just being in the flow state. 757 00:43:53,060 --> 00:43:55,240 I'm not thinking about it. 758 00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:00,720 It's I have a lot of lessons that I've learned, a lot of things that I've experienced. 759 00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,120 And I'm just sharing that when the time is right. 760 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:09,320 I am starting up a YouTube channel and I have so many lessons that I want to share with 761 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,320 people. 762 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,320 I'll be watching. 763 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,320 Yeah. 764 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,680 I'll be your first fan on there. 765 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:15,680 How's that? 766 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,680 Thanks, man. 767 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:22,320 I know you came back with a message and you've told us what that is in many ways, but if 768 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:31,640 you were to summarize, if somebody were to say, wow, you had an amazing NDE in 15 or 769 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,960 30 seconds, what is the message? 770 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:41,520 What is the message for me from Jacob who got it from God during this NDE? 771 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,960 God is running the show and not you. 772 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:49,440 And all the impulses you feel, all the things running through you, a lot of these things 773 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:55,160 are coming from outside and we need to trust God and be open. 774 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,720 And the only way that can happen is if we can enter into the flow state, enter into 775 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,360 the present moment right now. 776 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,480 And we can learn these things through meditation, through being loving and kind towards others. 777 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,160 And if we can enter into that flow state, then it's like kind of giving the steering 778 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,880 wheel back to God again. 779 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,680 And you watch the magic unfold in your own life. 780 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,600 It's better than anything you could create on your own. 781 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,160 Get out of the way and trust God. 782 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,160 That's awesome. 783 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,160 Jacob, thank you so much. 784 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,160 Thank you, Eric. 785 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,160 I appreciate it. 786 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:30,720 If you have had a round trip death experience, we would love to hear about it. 787 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:34,400 Send an email to eric at roundtripdeath.com. 788 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,720 And lastly, if you have found this program uplifting, if it's given you just a little 789 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:43,920 more hope in the future, share it with a friend, hit that follow button and take a few seconds 790 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,240 to write us a 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