One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die?
Is death the end or a new beginning?
Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast.
In this show, we listen to firsthand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and
return to talk about it.
We have with us today, Tina and Jelly.
Welcome to the show, Tina.
Oh, thank you for having me.
Tina, you are just a sweetheart and I can't wait for everybody to get to know you a little
bit better.
Are you from Italy?
Yes, I was born in Italy.
I came to this country when I was 14 years old.
So you have just a teeny hint of an accent still in there.
I love it.
Yeah.
And what does Angelli mean?
Angelli means angels in Italian.
Is that just a coincidence or did your family seek that out somehow?
I actually chose it after I got the worst.
Oh, I like that.
Okay.
Before we talk about your near death experiences, can you give us a little bit about you so
our listeners can get to know you some?
Okay.
So I live in Granby, Connecticut on a piece of property with the largest private labyrinth
in Connecticut, which I created about 18 years ago.
And it's open to the public so people come and visit and the energy is very far up there.
Now I have a friend that also made a labyrinth in their backyard and it seems quite large.
How big is yours?
Mine is 84 feet.
It takes a quarter of an acre of land.
Yeah that's large.
So if I were to walk the whole thing, how far would that be?
It would be a couple of miles, I think.
My husband is an engineer so he figured that one out.
For those that aren't familiar with a labyrinth, tell them what it is and what its purpose
is.
Basically, in a nutshell, it's a walking prayer meditation tool and it's an ancient.
I believe the first one they were saying that it was built like 4,000 years ago and now
it's coming back.
So a lot of places like hospitals and centers build them.
That's interesting.
Okay, so what do you do there in Connecticut?
I took a re-retirement a few years ago and that's when I began to do my real work.
I started to do meditation channel groups here out of my home and I have events on my
property as well like Brumming Circle, some things like that.
And you have a support group at the hospital too, don't you?
Oh yes.
The Yukon Health Center in Farmington, Connecticut, that's where it began, the near-death experience
support group.
But now because of COVID, it's only online and we have a website for that which is nbect.org
so anybody can attend.
It's always the second Monday of every month.
In this realm where we're talking about near-death experiences, there have become a few different
colloquial kind of things, NDEs for near-death experience, OBEs for out-of-body experience,
and some others.
Would you mind going way back and tell us what happened to you as a small child and
how it maybe fits into that?
Yes, when I was two years old, my one-year-old sister died of a childhood disease.
And my parents were so involved in their grief that I felt abandoned, emotionally abandoned.
And a few other things which I described in my book, more details.
But basically what happened was I, right after my sister died, every night before I went
to sleep, this beautiful lady would show up and she would float around the room and just
be with me until I fell asleep.
And I learned later that when situations such as this or others, examples as well, it's
because what I ends, the International Association of Near-Death Studies considers these experiences
as life-transforming events.
But I didn't know it then.
I just thought that everybody saw floating ladies around them and stay with them until
they fell asleep.
And sometimes she would hide behind a piece of furniture and play peek-a-boo with me.
I looked forward to that every night.
And that lasted until you were how old?
When I was eight years old, which I learned much later that at the age of eight, that's
when the ego comes into the physical body.
And that's when you start asking questions or doubting things.
I felt that this was something that other people did not do and I didn't want to be
different.
So I said, okay, I don't want to deal with this right now.
Automatically no more visits until about 27 years ago when the same angel came over my
garage at night and gave me the message that she was the same one that used to come and
visit me as a child in Italy.
And the message for me at that time was that I needed to just accept my gift, the gift
of being able to give messages to people.
I didn't at that time because I felt like, oh my God, where is this coming from?
I didn't have anyone to talk to at the time.
And so when she came over the garage, which by the way, I hired a very gifted artist who
made the cover page of the book and it is the angel that I saw over the garage.
And she told me what her name was.
Her name is Naomi and she was the same one I used to see as a child.
And she told me that it was important for me to just accept my gift because the information
would be coming through me, not from me.
I was just an instrument.
It was a very pivotal time for me to finally accept that.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Some people that I've talked to that have had experiences, not exactly like that, but
with some kind of angel have often found out some sort of a relation, deep family, friends,
something that was that angel.
Have you had any experience like that?
Do you know who Naomi is to you?
Well, I was told that Naomi, she and I have known each other since before we came on the
earth and that was part of the contract for her to be of service to me as I grew up.
She's still with me all the time.
As a matter of fact, when people come to walk the labyrinth, it's the strangest thing, but
they forget to leave.
Hours go by and they just roam around and they shield the energy there.
Well, maybe somebody will get to return the favor for Naomi.
What do you think?
Well, you never know.
That's okay.
All right, let's talk about a near death experience.
What led up to your drowning?
Some friends of ours and their children asked us to go with them at this lake.
It was a manmade lake.
The kids were having such a great time.
My children were only, oh my goodness, son.
I was in my 20s, so my kids might have been six, seven, and there's a three year difference
and so three or four.
They were in the water just enjoying themselves.
I was being very careful and watching them.
I went in because I never learned to swim, so I went in deep into the water.
I tripped on a rock and I went down.
I fell in and the harder I would try to come up, the deeper I would go.
All of a sudden, it was starting to hurt because I was swallowing water and my chest hurt immensely.
All of a sudden, I heard this click, like somebody snapping their fingers and suddenly,
no more pain.
I was just floating in there, no pain.
I started to see this incredible, it was like a slideshow.
It was above my head, but I could see it very clearly.
These slideshows were events that had happened to me up until that day.
Some of them that I didn't recognize, I would say, what is that?
Of course, telepathically.
Another snap again, and they would give me the clarity that those events that I did not
recognize were past lives.
The theme was all about my husband at the time who had started to become abusive.
I started to see the slideshow and it showed my life in the future and I knew instinctively
that was also my life in the future and how things were going to get a lot tougher for
me.
It was going to become even worse at abuse.
It felt like I had a choice.
I could either get out of it or just continue to stay there.
One thing that had happened, and I remember very clearly, I was very focused on doing
this, on getting out of the abuse of marriage also for the sake of my children.
I didn't want my girls to think that that's the way a man is supposed to treat a woman.
Suddenly I felt myself being pulled from the water and it wasn't my husband that did that.
It was my friend Emma who was there and saw me.
Apparently she saw me struggling.
She knew that I couldn't swim, so she came and pulled me.
I felt, of course it hurt because I was coughing up water and the kids were crying and all
that.
But I also felt like I had gained this incredible strength by having this.
And I considered that type of near-death experience a life review.
Have you ever heard of a life review?
Yeah.
We talk about that a lot where people remember, usually actually see almost like a movie events
that happen during their life.
Yes.
And mine went all the way back to previous lifetimes that I had been with him in other
lifetimes.
And he also, it was a theme for him that I had died on his hands in previous lifetimes.
And who's the he?
My ex-husband.
Okay.
I would love to ask you some questions about this because I have a feeling there's more
to it than just this little brief snippet that we've heard now.
You also mentioned that they communicated telepathically to you.
Can you tell me who the they are?
I didn't see or hear anybody, but I knew that I was not alone.
It was like I was wrapped with this most incredible loving energy that was so protective.
And as I was being given the information again telepathically, I just knew that I was safe
some from.
And I take it that there were guides, angels, whoever was there to protect me because it
wasn't, it wasn't my time to go.
Okay.
Tell us about this loving energy.
What does it feel like?
It feels like the most incredible warm embrace that cannot really be described in words,
but it's the most amazing, incredible embrace that you could possibly ever have by any human
being.
That's a great description.
Very emotional.
It reminds me of another guest that we've had on our show that said it felt like a hug
from a thousand grandmas all at one time.
And sounds good to me.
Do you remember besides your life review and seeing things that had happened to you, do
you remember seeing or experiencing anything else?
The thing that stands out is that snap.
I would hear every time I had kind of like confusion, feelings in me, I would hear the
snap and the answer would come to me, the clarity of what was being shown.
So you didn't have one of those experiences where it's going down a tunnel, seeing a light
at the end, all that kind of stuff.
Some people do, some people don't.
And some people have a different experience coming back into their body.
Do you remember what that was like at all?
Well, after I finally was able to cough up the water that I had on my chest and the pain
started to go away, it just felt like I was so, there was an incredible focus with me
that I needed to get out of this situation.
And I was also very protective of my two daughters.
I wanted them to not experience that kind of experience from a man when they got older.
So what was the main message you came back with?
Well, the main message is that I was not a victim.
I did not have to stay in that type of relationship.
And also that extra strength that I was given through this experience, it's hard to even
describe.
These experiences don't happen just willy-nilly.
There seems to be, excuse me, there seems to be something always to be learned or something
in life to be changed from it.
So mostly for you, this was something to protect you and your children, right?
To break the pattern of abuse basically from numerous lifetimes.
Right.
Okay.
Now, I know you've self-published a book called We Are Angels.
What does that mean?
Where did that come from?
That's funny because I knew I, the nudge was I needed to write this book and I was very
frustrated because I, you know, English is my second language.
I had never written a book before and how was I supposed to do this?
So I started to put stories together and when I started to write the book, I hadn't even
had my third, my, you know, the last near-death experience yet.
So one day I was with my granddaughter, my oldest granddaughter, Olivia, we were making
cupcakes and I said, Olivia, did I tell you that Mimi's writing a book?
I said, no, Mimi, you didn't.
Are you going to have a chapter on angels?
Because she and I had been talking about the angels and stuff.
And I said, well, I'm sure there'll be a lot about angels.
And she says, what is the title?
I said, I have no idea.
Why don't you ask them?
And she put her little chin against my shoulder and goes, then she says, oh, we are angels.
I said, is that the title of the book?
And she said, yes, Mimi, that's what they said.
So I kind of, you know, brushed it aside for a bit, thinking of, you know, a four-year-old
child.
But then I started to research and see if a book with that title existed.
No, there are all kinds of books that are on angels, but not with that title.
As a matter of fact, I was even able to claim my website with the same title.
So we are angels.
Yes, that's my website.
Okay.
So what does that mean?
We are angels.
Just that.
We are all angels.
We come on the earth to play our dramas based on the contracts that we write with each other.
And then we go back home.
Okay.
And you just mentioned a third experience.
I don't think I've heard about this one.
Yes.
On January 5th, 2012, I had a car crash, not far from my home, basically.
I got hit by an SUV on the driver's side as I turned the corner.
The young woman wasn't watching.
She was talking to the guy sitting in our car.
And I have a small car, which got totaled.
My car got spinned until it stopped on the side of the road.
And as that was happening, I heard like a suction, like something was being suctioned
out of my physical body.
And it was my soul, which ended up, oh, it's, I call it a room, but it didn't have
any walls.
It was all this incredible pulsating, loving white light.
And in this area was a table, a curved table, very ornate table.
It was like a half a moon shape.
And on the other side of this table were nine entities.
What kind of entities?
Give me a description.
Okay.
They were wearing brown capes.
Their face did not have, I couldn't see eyes or mouth or nose.
It was just this white light.
And I knew instinctively that the reason why these entities were wearing capes was for
my purpose.
They wanted me to know how many there were, nine.
Okay.
And what was their purpose?
What did they do?
They were just standing there.
I felt instinctively, I knew that the one in the middle was the one that made the decisions.
I knew instinctively.
And the other eight, they were just there emanating this most incredible loving energy
toward me.
I remember this is all telepathically saying, no, I'm not ready to go yet.
I have so many things to do still on the earth.
It's very emotional about it.
Suddenly, again, the suction, I ended up back in my body.
And I saw the same people that I saw from above, some of them were coming closer to
the car, some were just curious, some didn't know what to say.
And while I was still up there, I could actually read their minds.
I could tell whether those that were just curious or those that were actually very caring
people.
Then somebody came over and says, can you get out of the car?
Because they were afraid that my car was going to explode.
And so I said, I don't know.
My car, the driver's side came in against me.
The air band got exploded and it was this awful, awful odor.
So somehow I managed to get out from the other side of the car.
And then the two people that were waiting for me, because they felt that they couldn't
help me get out, I had to do it on my own.
And so then they kind of helped me by my arms, I was very, very weak.
But I didn't feel anything at that point.
I didn't feel any pain until I was taken to the hospital.
And that's when the pain started.
And they started to give me some medication.
And they took me to take not x-rays, but some other form of finding out whether I had no
broken bones.
That's why that chapter in my book is called the Miracle Car Crash, because my car got
totaled, but I didn't have any broken bones.
I had black and blue marks all over the place.
And the left side of my head, there was a little blood coming out of there, but apparently
there was no deep damage.
I want to hear more about these nine entities, as you call them.
Would you call them angels?
Would you call them something else?
It was a strange thing because I didn't know who they were.
I never remember seeing them before.
And so I started to say, gee, who are they?
And I didn't get any answers.
Then I went for a session.
I got hypnotized.
I got hypnotized, and I was taken back to the day of the accident.
And so automatically, I was back there communicating with them again.
And I remember more details then through this hypnotism session.
And I remember that they were saying, they said that more than once.
They said, enjoy every breath that you take, but they never told me who they were.
When you give messages to people, don't worry about what they're thinking.
Just use yourself as an instrument and give it as you receive it, dear one.
Just enjoy every breath you take.
And interestingly enough, lately, I've been using those words, enjoy every breath you
take.
When I see turmoil on Facebook, for example, I post those words in there.
And it's like automatically, people don't know how to respond, but things get calm.
I feel the energy getting calm.
But going back to that, so I had more information, and I could feel the sensation of how loving
they were.
But I still didn't know who they were.
So one day, I was sitting on my desk, because I had a hard time to write this book.
It took me 10 years.
So I'm trying to write more on the book.
And all of a sudden, my husband was at work.
All of a sudden, I felt that these nine entities were coming into the room.
And so I just stopped where I was going, and I looked around, and I didn't see them, but
I could hear them.
And all I heard was, your book is going to be very helpful to people that are considering
suicide.
Boom, they were gone.
Again, didn't know who they were.
And here I am frustrated, saying, oh my God, I can't even write anymore, and they're telling
me that it's going to be so important.
Now I'm not going to do this.
As soon as my ex-husband died, I couldn't stop writing.
I was writing day and night.
Most of the book was written just a few months before it was actually published.
So finally finished it.
And before I actually published it, I said, I know that people are going to ask me who
these nine entities are.
Who are they?
I received a message.
They told me that we are the Lords of Karma.
And actually in my book, I wrote down the explanation as far as who they are as best
as I could.
But basically the Lords of Karma are space travelers, not angels, space travelers that
are helping those of us who have committed through a contract, have committed to be present
and to be helpful.
That is their function.
Because see, that's one thing that people don't seem to understand is that there are
all kinds of entities out there.
Some are angels, some are loved ones that have crossed over.
Their body is shedded, but the soul always remains and sometimes comes back, sometimes
not.
But there are also entities that are of other races, extraterrestrials, that have a certain
function.
And these Lords of Karma have the function very well defined for themselves.
They help those of us that have committed to do this type of work to helping people
and releasing fear, basically.
Because these changes that are coming up are going to be very scary for some people.
Can you tell us anything about the changes that you're referring to?
The earth changes.
The veil of consciousness is becoming thinner and thinner as we proceed, meaning that we'll
be more on the other side than on this side.
And the idea of time is going to be very challenging because there is no time on the other side.
We need time on earth for appointments and stuff.
Yeah.
On the other side, things are going to be different insofar as our bodies are going
to be lighter.
We are going to be a lot different than we are now.
The density of the earth experience is going to disappear.
I wish I could explain it better than that.
That's okay.
I know there's a couple of quotes from your book on this topic and the Lords of Karma
that you're going to send.
We'll include in the show notes.
I appreciate that.
Just a couple of things before I let you go.
You mentioned that the book may help some people contemplating suicide.
What is the message for people in that situation?
Basically, it's all about that we all choose to come on the earth at different times.
We choose when to come.
We choose who we're going to have a relationship with.
Of course, they have to agree to that.
We're not victims.
Everything happens for a reason.
There's a lot of people in the world that are afraid of death.
Are you afraid of death?
That is one of the themes that I've noticed even with other people that I've met because
I facilitate the group at Yukon Health Center.
Of course, now it's online.
When I interview people to be our support group meeting, they say, which I agree for
myself, there's no longer fear of death.
These are people that have been through similar experiences, had NDEs, other things like that.
I look for people that have had experience, and then I ask them if they would like to
be on our speak for our group.
Of course, through the videotape, we put it on our website, so it's used by many.
That's a commonality among people with these experiences is they lose their fear of death.
Can you name one or two of the other commonalities?
One is that a lot of us no longer, we become aware that truly there is no religion on the
other side.
So, lots of people let go of any kind of attachment to religions that they might have had prior
to that.
You talked about loving energy.
Are other people experiencing that as well?
Yes, it's this energy that is so loving, and it's like with no judgment.
There is no judgment.
It's unconditional love.
I also learned that when we cross over, when we do our life review, we're the ones who
judge ourselves.
Yeah.
I was wondering if the nine entities you were talking about were judging you, and that's
good to know that they're not.
That it's more of us judging ourselves.
How do we overcome those things?
When we judge ourselves as done some negative things, how do we get past that?
Well, it's very interesting because we actually feel what pain we might have inflicted on
others just for the understanding of what it feels like.
The reason why we judge ourselves is so we can then decide how to do it differently should
we decide to come back again.
Okay.
Any last great uplifting thoughts for everybody to lighten their day today?
My guides tell me this all the time.
Kiss, kiss, kiss, sweet one.
Keep it simple, sweetie.
That's what I mean by kiss, kiss.
It's important to always find humor in literally everything, not to take much too seriously
because the earth experience is all an illusion.
When I was in college, I was taught that kiss meant keep it simple, stupid.
Not according to them.
They changed it.
Keep it simple, sweetie.
I like that much better.
Hey, thanks a lot, Tina, for being on the show today.
Welcome, Eric.
Thank you for having me.
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