Welcome back to Round Trip Death and part 2 of Vinny's incredible near-death experience.
If you haven't yet listened to part 1, which is episode 301, I highly recommend starting
there, then come back to this one.
In part 1 we heard about Vinny's death, how he was actually placed in a body bag and on
his way to the morgue, a courageous EMT heard and felt a voice saying, this one's not dead.
During Vinny's extensive NDE he learned so many things about the spirit world.
Then he audibly heard a voice back in his hospital room, praying and pronouncing a blessing
on his body.
Let's pick it up from there.
And as I was feeling and experiencing this love, out of nowhere I start hearing a prayer
or a blessing being said over my body.
And now granted, I didn't have any recollection at this point of what was going on with my
body at all.
I had completely left the body.
I was having my whole heaven experience.
I get this hug from Drake.
As I'm getting the hug, I actually hear a blessing being given to my body in the hospital.
And I hear it as loud as if someone's speaking right into my ear.
And it's my brother's voice.
And he's there on earth giving my body a blessing.
And as he's saying this special prayer over my body, he blesses me to be whole, that I
will be made whole.
And I could feel the tremendous amount of love that my brother had for me, which was
odd for me because me and my brother were two years apart.
But we've always been very close in size through our whole life.
And so growing up, we had a little bit of a rougher upbringing because we were always
in competition with each other.
And out of nowhere, I understood that my brother really loved me and loved me more than I could
ever know.
And that not only was I feeling my brother's love, I was feeling God's love from heavenside.
And I went from this experience of this hug to hearing the blessing.
And then as I heard amen to this prayer, I was pulled, I was yanked away from where I
was, completely pulled away from where I was.
And I was forced back into my body.
Now this all happened at 930, 10 o'clock at night, that my brother gave me the blessing
and gave me did that special prayer over me.
But I came into my body at 111.
So from that time of about 930, 10 p.m. and 111 in the morning is when I woke up and tore
everything off me at 111 in the morning.
I was done as soon as I woke up.
Now this is the weirdest part about the whole experience.
I woke up not remembering anything.
I didn't even remember leaving my house on the morning that I was going to go to the
auto show.
I had a lot of like, blank space in my mind.
So I woke up to not knowing how I got there.
I didn't know what day it was.
I just knew I was in a hospital, a hospital I didn't recognize.
And I knew that I was extremely claustrophobic, like to the extreme.
I never felt claustrophobia before like this, or really ever.
I used to go, you know, go through caves and such.
But since this experience, I am extreme, like really bad, bad claustrophobia because the
energetic body or the spirit body is so much larger than our physical bodies here.
It is our spirit body is so much larger.
To come back into this physical form is it feels like trying to get a blue whale to fit
in a can of tuna.
It just you're doing the impossible essentially.
But that's what happened.
I came back and I felt extremely claustrophobic.
I yanked everything off me.
The report said, you know, everything went flat line at 111 in the morning because that's
when I yanked everything off me.
And I had tubes literally coming out of my mouth, out of my nose.
I had a catheter in.
I had all sorts of IVs in me.
I yanked everything off of me, everything.
And I just stood there in the hospital room naked.
I couldn't even have clothes touch me.
I just stood there naked for a few moments and just taking deep breaths.
I just stood there and just just breathe deeply, trying to understand what was going on, why
I felt so sick and claustrophobic.
And then I realized, oh crap, you're naked and you're in a public space.
So I went and grabbed a hospital gown and wrapped it around my waist.
Then I decided that I wanted to go home.
I didn't know how I was going to get home, but I wanted to go home.
I didn't want to be there anymore.
Okay, hold on, hold on.
At some point, a nurse or some medical person had to have walked in and seemed like Lazarus
just got up from the grave.
The funny thing is they didn't see me until I made it all the way to the elevator without
them knowing because what had happened is they were doing their rounds.
So there was two nurses there at the time.
They were doing their rounds in the rooms when I pulled all that stuff off me.
So they weren't hearing the alarms yet.
Now after the alarms have gone on for a little bit, they get louder, I guess, or something
like that, where as they were doing their rounds, they heard the alarm.
They went and checked the room that the alarm was coming from.
Then they went and actually checked the room.
And in that process, the one nurse first goes in and she screams.
Then the other nurse comes running over.
She goes in.
They're frantically looking around.
They think that maybe somebody snatched a body because this guy was in a coma.
His body was in a true coma, so much so that they'd given information to my brother and
my dad about palliative care, about someone who's a vegetable for the rest of their life.
They really thought I was going to be a vegetable for the rest of my life.
And so they're looking around thinking somebody snatched a body, like literally took a body.
And as they're looking, they see this guy standing naked just holding a gown around
his waist at the elevator.
And I'm sitting there like hitting the down button, down button.
And then they both screamed.
And I knew as soon as they both screamed, I just knew.
And it was weird.
I knew so much about these two nurses.
I don't know how I knew about it.
But I just knew so much about them.
And I knew that they were both going to get in so much trouble if I left.
So I needed to come back.
So I did.
I came back, and they actually got a security guard, and he kind of babysat me for a little
bit, wouldn't let me leave the room.
I'll bet they had special journal entries that probably you won't believe what happened
last night.
What's funny, though, is I couldn't I wouldn't allow them to put anything back on me.
They wanted to put oxygen on me.
They wanted to put the catheter back in.
They want to do all this stuff.
I'm like, no, I'm like, look at me.
I'm fine.
And they kept telling me that I was going to go back into a coma, that there is this
freak thing that someone will come out of a coma for a moment, and then they go back
under and usually die.
And I'm like, no, I'm here.
I'm back.
Yeah, they didn't fully trust that.
So I did have to sign paperwork from from about 111 in the morning until about 7am.
I was signing paperwork and I was meeting with specialists.
So I met with specialists solid, consistently as the specialists would show up for the day.
I would meet with them, you know, first shift.
And I'll tell you, it was crazy all morning long meeting with these specialists.
Every single one of them would ask me all the same questions.
Do I know who I am?
Do I know what year it is?
Do I know what year I graduated?
Do I know what my birthday is?
Do I know where I live?
Like simple questions that that everybody's going to know the answer to.
But all of the experts wanted those questions answered and then some and some of the experts,
they wanted me to get some they wanted me to do an MRI.
They wanted me to do a CATS like all these different scans.
And I felt fine.
I felt completely fine.
I did.
I did allow them to do some some check on my on my heart.
I allowed them to do a couple of scans, but I felt totally fine, you know.
And so I just kept telling them, I'm fine.
I can go.
I want I feel like I can go.
And finally, you know, after signing a phone book full of paperwork, I was able to allow
myself to get checked out.
They wouldn't let me obviously leave leave.
I would I'd have to have somebody come pick me up.
So I I did get a hold of my dad that morning.
I called my brother first, but he was he didn't answer.
So I ended up getting a hold of my dad and my dad came and picked me up.
So that very day you went home.
Yep.
That very day.
That very morning.
That's what got me away too, because they wanted to they wanted to hold me for minimum
24 hours.
They actually wanted to hold me for 72 hours, but they wanted a minimum of 24 hours just
to make sure I wasn't going to relapse and go back into a coma.
But I, you know, I left fully knowing that that was a possibility.
But to me, it wasn't a possibility because I was awake.
I was fine.
And in fact, within an hour of my dad, my dad took me home to my place and I went jogging.
I literally went jogging.
Like, I was such a fitness nut back then.
I felt like I had to.
And it really felt good because it felt like I was getting out of that claustrophobia that
I was feeling.
And it helped me actually quite a bit to go jogging that day.
Yeah.
Okay.
I have so many questions.
But the first thing is that why this part of it blows me away so much is because other
people that I've talked to that have been clinically dead for a minute or six minutes,
or some even 10 minutes, which is a long time, your physical body starts deteriorating when
that happens.
It does.
When your heart and everything stops, it's almost like, you know, if you take a piece
of raw hamburger out of the refrigerator, it starts decaying.
And your body does the same thing.
It starts decaying.
And because your organs are all shut down, all these bad things are happening, let alone
what's going on in your brain without oxygen to it.
Yeah, this is beyond miraculous.
Not only that you came back, but that you were healthy that fast is crazy.
Yeah.
Like, well, I did have three days to kind of get my body straight, you know.
And I think that's why I was allowed to be away from my body, because that was probably
a pretty rough process, you know, getting my body back to life.
But you know, since then, actually, I met a really cool guy.
I've lost contact with them since, but I worked with a guy that was awakened in the morgue.
He woke up like four days after his death in the morgue.
And they were about to perform his autopsy and he woke up.
Have him call me when he needs to talk.
And you know, it's funny, I was like, no way, because I told him about my experience.
And he's like, he's like, oh, you think three days is good.
I was I was actually four days in the morgue before I woke up.
And he showed me the scar when he woke up.
They had to they had already started to open up his chest cavity for his autopsy.
And so he has the scar of the full cut when they do an autopsy.
They fully open you up.
So so there's some really neat cases out there where where if it's not your time to go and
God wants to send you back, you come back.
You know, you're not limited by by the physical realm at all.
Well, we keep being reminded of that, don't we?
Yeah.
Can I start on some of my questions?
Absolutely.
OK, I don't want to cut you off in any way, shape or form, because this is fascinating.
And I'm picturing you jogging out there, hopefully over to your brother's house.
What was that reunion like?
So I didn't I still didn't remember it was him who brought me back yet.
So this all happened.
I was back for a full day and the and full back a full day and a half when my sister,
she wanted to take take me and my brother out to dinner.
And my and and so we all met at a wingers actually.
And we were in this this restaurant and.
My sister kind of cornered me.
Everybody got their dinners or we ordered our dinners.
We were waiting for him.
And as we were waiting, she's she's like, hey, you know, she calls me Todd, because
that's my middle name.
She's always called me Todd.
She's like, Todd, come here, come here.
She kind of pulled me over to the corner.
And she's like, you know, you were dead, right?
And I'm like, yeah, that's what everybody tells me.
And she's like, did you have a near death experience?
Did you see anything?
Did you experience anything?
And it is so weird because at this point, at this moment, I had been asked that like
ten times already.
And I had every single time I'm like, I don't think so.
I don't remember anything.
I don't remember anything from this period forward.
I remembered a little bit of what was going on that Saturday morning that I died, but
I didn't remember anything else, even to getting to the Dairy Queen or anything.
And when she asked me this, my brain formed the words, no, like, no, I didn't have an
experience.
And I went to say the word no.
But what came out of me was my was an entire download of my experience, the entire experience.
And it's almost as if it was already there.
But the doorway that was blocking it got opened by her asking that question.
And I just started to bawl.
I literally started to cry.
And I'm not I'm a you know, I was a much tougher guy than I am now.
I'm still kind of a tough guy.
But I'm telling you, like I'm I don't I'm not a public crier and never have been.
But I started to just weep like a little baby because I started to feel again that love
that was there for all of us.
And I explained to her that I had a guy and his name is Drake and that he he was he helped
me through so much.
And he he helped me come back.
And that's when I realized that it was my brother who had who had brought me back.
And he was there.
I couldn't even look at my brother after that.
I couldn't because even looking at him, I would just cry because I feel that love, you
know, and and it was such a beautiful thing, but such a scary thing, too, because now all
of a sudden, this whole experience was real to me, you know.
And I'm still this analytical guy.
So what do I do?
I go and meet with a couple of professionals.
I meet with one.
He says he can't help me that he doesn't know what to do to help me.
But he he refers me to this other professional.
I go to this other professional and he says, OK, so here's we have a perfect case of delusion,
you know, because your your brain was starved of oxygen.
So it just makes up all this stuff to fill up the space.
He says it's totally normal.
I'm going to put you on these these medicines.
And here's the weird part.
So after my sister asked me if I had a near death experience, I started to understand
why I knew things about other people that I should know.
And this is a symptom that a lot of people have after they come back from one of these
experiences.
And I just knew some things about this doctor.
I knew some things about his childhood that I shouldn't know.
And so I I had a very strong premonition.
I had a I had spirit or, you know, spirit energy telling me I needed to share these
these knowledges about this this doctor before I took a prescription from him.
So I did.
I said, well, you might think I'm crazy, but I need to share this with you.
And I flat out told him about some stuff about his childhood.
And he freaked out.
He cussed at me to get out of my office.
And so I left.
And even his secretary, the his nurse, you know, the secretary that was there, she's
she's like, what did you say?
And I'm like, I don't know.
I just I just said what what I can't what I felt was true.
And so I left.
And a couple of minutes later, I get a phone call from that doctor.
And he said he said this exactly.
He said, you know, Vinny, what you told me was something I had even forgotten had happened.
And he said it scared me so much because there's no rules around that can explain what happened
to you and how you could have known that there's no rules.
He said there's no book that can explain that.
And he said, I work in the realm of learning from books and helping people from what I
learned, and he said there's nothing I've ever learned that can help you or explain
what just happened.
He said, but I know this for sure, that if you knew that that what you experienced must
be real.
I want you to do the best you can.
But I don't think taking medicines is the right route.
And I agreed.
I was like, yeah, I agree.
And it was it was my first confirmation that what I had experienced was not necessarily
a delusion, that it was it was possibly a real thing.
Now later, you know, later, a few months later, this all happened in January, my whole experience,
I met with that doctor in February, and then come all the way to that July.
I'm at a family reunion with my fiance, and and I'd met her since my experience.
We're sitting in this family reunion at this little play in Afton, Wyoming.
And this play is doing a presentation on the history of the town of Afton, Wyoming, and
who the founders were, who were the first clergy in town and all this stuff.
And up comes this picture.
And I'm kind of cold.
I don't want to be there.
I'm kind of tired.
And all of a sudden, I get this very strong change of energy in my wife or my fiance.
And and I look to her and I and she says to me, she goes, Is that your guide?
And because I had, you know, shared my experience with her.
And I had told her, you know, what had happened to me.
And I had shared my experience of Drake and who my guide was.
And she she was looking at this image on the screen of this little play.
And she felt that was him.
So I looked from her and I turned to look to see the screen.
And there he was.
It was my guide.
It was my guide, like the very man who would help me through the whole process.
But what was weird is his name on the photo.
It said it said Charles Kazer.
And and I thought, well, that was odd.
I you know, his name is Drake, I thought.
And that was the only thing that didn't link up.
And the very next day, I went to my grandmother who was alive at the time.
And I I asked her, I said, Do you know anything about Charles Kazer?
And she goes, Oh, great grandpa Drake.
Yeah, I know about him.
And it was her great, great grandfather.
And he went by Drake, even though his name was Charles.
Drake was his middle name.
So he went by Drake because I guess his father was Charles or something like that.
But but he went by Drake.
So it was just really neat.
That was an additional confirmation for me that that what I had experienced was something
more than I could have ever imagined or made up or anything.
Yeah.
That is so cool.
And that was one of my questions is, who do you think Drake is?
And that's so, so cool that you found out who that is.
I wonder how your wife recognized him.
Well, it was an energetic thing for sure.
She's she's always you know, if you if you get the book and read about it, I talk a lot
about how I met Andrea, my wife.
And and one of the ways I noticed her is I I could see in her eyes, I could feel that
that energy of heaven in there.
I really could.
I could see just the the unconditional love that God has for all of us.
I could see that in her eyes.
And that's something that she's always been very synced up with is heaven.
And and so I think that not only did she see it, but she felt it.
And that's why she she brought it up.
She was like, is that your guide?
But I've been you know, I've been talking to her, you know, in very intimate moments,
just really going over my experience with her.
So she see she essentially knew the whole experience.
I couldn't get into so much detail because it was still so fresh.
I would just start to cry every time.
But you know, in between those sessions of of me starting to cry and I couldn't talk
anymore, she was able to get a lot of the story and get a lot of the experience out
of me.
So she knew it very well.
She also knew I described Drake so much that when she saw the pictures, she was like, is
that your guide?
Is that great?
And it was just really cool.
It was really cool that she could recognize them.
But yeah, when I when I did see him, though, I couldn't speak.
I couldn't even say, yeah, that's him.
I just froze.
I literally froze.
It was already a kind of a chilly night, even though it was in July.
It was a little chilly.
But I'll tell you what, I froze and she knew she knew just from my reaction.
That was him.
She knew.
Yeah.
That is so, so cool.
In fact, we left we left right after that because I just started to break down again.
So on this show, we we don't really talk about specific religions, whether good, bad or indifferent.
But some people have voluntarily told me after their experience, they talk to their minister,
pastor, whoever was over there, congregation about their experience.
And some of those people gave them a really hard time about it because maybe it didn't
match up with their theology exactly.
Did you have an experience like that?
So it's funny, I've never had a problem with any of the clergy.
So of the church I go to, I've never had any problem with the clergy, but the members.
But it's really funny.
I'm Christian.
And you know, in in my faith, there's I've always felt there's two aspects to my faith.
There's the gospel side, the side that really follows the scriptures and follows Christ.
And then there's the ego side.
And the ego side represents everyone looking at each other, judging what they're doing
and judging who's sinners and who's going to heaven, who's going to hell, that kind
of thing that represents the ego side.
And it's only people who are very embodied in the ego side of the church that have a
hard problem with with my experience.
And they have a very hard problem.
All you have to do is go read any negative reviews I have on Amazon.
You can see it's the ego side of my own faith that that writes those negative reviews.
And I don't and I know it's it's part of life and I'm not judging them in any way, shape
or form.
I love every bit of who they are.
And there's there's there's got to be a divine reason why they they really embody the ego
of the church.
But I'm telling you, the Christ centered part of the church is beautiful to me.
At the same time, when I got to heaven, I looked around thinking I was going to see
it was it was going to be like a big reunion of all the different branches of the church
I'd been in my whole life, you know, thinking I was going to see all these people I knew
who had passed and I didn't.
Now I'm sure they they're there in their own way.
But I'm telling you, I saw all these different religions in that space.
And I saw that that at least the university side that I was in this beautiful side of
heaven that there was all different cultures there, all different religions there, that
there wasn't just Christians, you know.
And and part of what I did experience is, you know, when we get to heaven, if we if
we have prejudice towards any other religion, we get to our own version of heaven that's
still distant from God, because for us to embody God's love, we can't have prejudice
at all.
We cannot have prejudice at all.
I mean, we can't have prejudice against lifestyle.
We can't have prejudice against religion.
We can't because here's the thing, any prejudice we embody, we we actually are going to put
on our own self three times stronger.
And that was a very strong thing I learned there that and that's the only people that
ever really have a hard time with me is is those who exist in the ego space.
And I don't default them for it.
That's their truth.
And I honor them in their truth.
If if their truth is that that my experience is is falseness, then then then that's their
truth.
I want them to to be glorified in their own truth.
The one thing is, I didn't I didn't publish my story to make money.
I didn't publish my story to to do this as a business or anything like that.
I did this because for 15 years, people have literally harassed me after I told my story.
Why don't you have a book?
Why don't you share this?
This is so important.
You share this.
And I felt that calling my whole life.
But it took a long time for me to actually get the words right.
Because this this whole experience is not something that that you can use words to describe.
So I did have to take some really good help essentially from my my co author, Lynn.
Together we worked on this for years, literally years, so that we could actually get the words
right so that what he was writing down and what I was experiencing matched each other.
And he did an amazing job.
And we had some very, very good help helping us edit it, get it the right way so that it
matched my experience.
And you know, it's not meant for everybody.
And I don't put it out there for everybody.
But for those who need it, it really resonates with them.
It does, and it helps a lot of people that are a little confused right now, even in their
own faith.
And it is multi faith, you don't have to be Christian, you don't have to be any of these
things to read this book.
Now what's cool, though, is whatever faith lane you find yourself in, I would say, most
people who read it, they gain a stronger faith in their own lane, they're able to strengthen
their faith in their belief system that they have, and get connected to God.
And that's all it's all about for me is, is I want you as the individual to have the best
connection you can with God, period, the best possible connection.
And that's my purpose for putting this story out there is to just help those who are ready
for it.
Now, it's not for everybody.
But those who are ready for it, it does really resonate with them.
And I've gotten time after time for every one bad review, I'll get, you know, try 90
or 95 good reviews of people saying, this has changed my life.
So I really, I, I'm so grateful to God for allowing me back, number one, even though
there's times I feel that was kind of a curse, because heaven is amazing and beautiful and
so so awesome.
But so is life here.
And I know I'm back here for a reason.
And so that's, that's why I put it out there.
That's why I put it out for, for those who are ready to listen, for those ears that are
ready to hear and those hearts that are ready to feel it.
It's a great story for them, a great experience that I got to share with them.
But yeah, I don't get harassed too much on it.
But I do a little bit just with some of the members.
The name of the book, by the way, since you're not plugging it is the light after death by
Vincent Tolman.
Send me a copy Vinnie.
Okay, I will actually.
Okay, I'll send you a copy.
I appreciate it.
A couple more questions, then I'll let you go.
You I thought it was so interesting that you referred to your body and very much in the
third person, you called it the body.
Why is that?
It's because my body was where I was, you know, and, and I was sitting there watching
it outside of me.
So that wasn't my body.
That was the body.
Yeah, it's just kind of like if you're even if you're sitting there playing a video game
or I'm not a gamer at all.
But but I'll tell you, if you're sitting there playing a video game, you're looking at your
character play.
That's not you, right?
You is right here with the controller in your hand.
And that's what I felt like even once I recognized that was my body.
I still felt like it was the body.
Because who I was was the and is who I am is this eternal spiritual being that lives
beyond the body.
So truly the body is still the body to me now because it's it's the vehicle I drive
while I'm here.
But I'm not here forever.
And I'm grateful for that.
Because forever is a long time and a beautiful long time.
I want to be where where God wants me, and that's that's in a grander, better, amazing
space.
Have you had a chance to meet that EMT that worked with you?
I did.
Would he mind if we mentioned his name?
So I don't I don't release that because here's here's the thing.
I need his permission to do so.
And I've lost track of him over the years.
But I'll tell you, I had lunch with him right after I came back and I wanted to talk about
I was like, I wanted to tell him I saw God like come over you.
And I felt like that light that was coming over you.
And I was just so grateful because without him, I wouldn't be here.
Obviously, I would have been processed and in the morgue and in a grave somewhere.
But because he listened to God, because he listened to that light, and that's why I call
it the light after death.
He listened to that light.
I was so grateful.
And I tried to express that to him.
And he wouldn't he he wouldn't accept it.
He he just kept telling me that's just part of my job.
I was just doing my job.
And I'm like, No, you weren't actually.
If you're just doing your job, you would have just sat there and not did anything.
But you did more than your job.
You listened to God, and I got a chance to meet with him.
I got a chance to meet with one of the other medics.
And the other medics were like, he was like, you're an effort miracle, dude.
Like, he was just going to town on me.
And I'm like, I know I have.
And actually, that's how I got in contact with him, the rookie is because I had to get
his phone number from them to a sandwich place there in Utah, and had a sandwich.
And he wouldn't even let me buy lunch.
I mean, that's who this guy is.
He just, you know, he just he felt like he's just doing this doing doing the right thing.
And he didn't want to talk about the spirit part of it, though.
He would not talk about it.
He just look at me and say, I don't want to talk about that.
And and then I come around to it.
And I talked a little bit more.
I tried to bring it back up.
And he's like, I don't want to talk about it.
And, you know, I just have so much love and respect for him, but not just for him for
anybody who is able to be that hero or that angel in someone else's life because they
listen to the prompting from God.
And that's what he did.
Really.
It's not this huge miracle he did.
He just listened to the prompting and he acted.
And that's one of the things I actually I try to teach people is how to get a better
connection with God so that that prompting is more regular, so that you get that communication
from God on a regular basis.
And you can you can act.
You can be God's angels on earth and do what God wants you to do every single day, not
just in the hero moments, but in the little hero moments, you know, and helping in little
ways.
And sometimes that's even just as miraculous as these big ways of bringing someone back
from the dead.
Well, and he is a hero because he took a risk to act on that.
He could have lost his could have lost his job.
Yeah, absolutely.
He could have lost his job.
And here he was the first week and, you know, funny turn of events when I did have lunch
with him, he told me he had just passed his fire test.
So he last I heard he was a fireman now.
So still still kind of in that, you know, savior type job where he's out saving lives.
But he's a fireman.
Oh, yeah.
That's awesome.
Okay.
My last question, something that you alluded to just a couple of minutes ago, I'm wondering
because you've had this experience, does it make living here on earth easier or more difficult?
Way more difficult, way more difficult.
And this is not just for me, anybody who's had the experience like I've had where they
got to see heaven and experience heaven.
Life here is really, really rough.
Even on your best day, it's still nothing compared to the your worst day there.
Your worst day there is just still absolute bliss and amazing beauty and just so full
of love.
Now, I have a lot to live for here, though.
You know, I have I have my amazing family.
I've got two absolutely amazing kids.
And so I've got a lot to live for.
But it's still really hard.
It is.
It's very hard.
I'm not going to be, you know, dishonest about that at all.
I'm very authentic about it.
And authenticity is extremely important to me now since my experience.
So to be honest, yeah, absolutely.
It's very hard, actually.
Vinnie Tolman, thank you so very much for being with us today.
Yeah, thanks for thanks for having me on.
And and, you know, if anybody can get anything from this, I would love to help them understand
that that that love that God showed me is not just for me.
It's not.
It's for all of us.
And that that God really, really loves all of us exactly how we are, exactly how we are,
not who we're going to be, not who we want to be, but exactly how we sit right now.
God loves us, really, really loves us.
And God wants a relationship with us.
So if at all possible, reach out to God.
God's already there, wants to wants to have that strong relationship with us.
Know that he loves you and wants to be a part of our lives, all of our lives.
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