1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,200 Welcome to Round Trip Death, Happy New Year, and welcome to Season 2 of the podcast. 2 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,120 We are so grateful for you, our listeners all over the world, who are making this show 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,880 a big success. 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,560 And today's show just may be our very best episode yet. 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,440 We're going to hear from Vinnie Tolman, who was dead for an hour and a half before being 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:27,440 revived. 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,920 Oh, I don't want to give it all away. 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,360 Let's jump right into the conversation. 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:40,040 Okay, for our listeners out there, if you have not heard Vinnie's story yet, this is 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,200 going to blow you away. 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,360 This is something that you just haven't heard before. 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:52,540 The name of our show is Round Trip Death, meaning people that die see the other side 13 00:00:52,540 --> 00:00:54,880 and come back to talk about it. 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:01:01,480 And some people that we talk to have a very short NDE or out of body experience, close 15 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,180 to death. 16 00:01:03,180 --> 00:01:09,900 This is one where this guy, let's just say, I call him body bad guy. 17 00:01:09,900 --> 00:01:11,920 I hope that's not an insult, Vinnie. 18 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:12,920 Not at all. 19 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:13,920 Anyway, good morning. 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:14,920 How are you? 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:15,920 Doing great. 22 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:16,920 Doing awesome. 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,680 Great to be here today. 24 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:26,200 So we have Vincent Tolman, when we get closer to the end of this podcast, we'll tell you 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,040 about his book so you can hear his whole story there. 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,040 But wow, this is going to be really cool for people to hear. 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,280 It blew me away as you were telling me the other day. 28 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:38,280 And let's go back. 29 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,160 How many years ago did this happen? 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,080 So this coming January, it will be 20 years. 31 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,760 So it was January 18, 2003. 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:48,960 Okay. 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:55,960 And you were just an average guy living in a moderate, you know, kind of suburban city 34 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,840 in Utah. 35 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,000 And what was your life like then? 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,280 So you know, my day to day was consisted of, you know, working out and work out in the 37 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:11,200 mornings with my buddy and then go to work and sometimes did a workout after work. 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,600 And of course, my weekends were filled with regular things everybody in Utah did. 39 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,920 And at the time, one of the things we would do is go to the auto show. 40 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:23,080 And that was one of the things we were going to do that day was go to the auto show after 41 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,880 a quick workout. 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:32,120 And you took some natural supplements to help with the rejuvenation after workouts. 43 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,240 Do you mind if I ask you what that was? 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,080 You don't have to tell me if you don't want to. 45 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,680 So it was a it was a product back then it was called for unknown to hydro. 46 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:47,280 And what it was is a naturally found or naturally derived chemical that when you put it in the 47 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,920 body it doubles and even triples your muscle recovery time. 48 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:57,760 So you know, someone who is in that natural bodybuilding, which we both were both me and 49 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:03,160 my buddy, it allowed us to work out our arms every day or our chest every day. 50 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,960 We wouldn't have to alternate days. 51 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,080 We could do it every day. 52 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,200 Whereas traditional bodybuilding without any supplementation, you couldn't work out your 53 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,200 arms every day. 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:13,360 You couldn't work out your chest every day. 55 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,000 You used to have to alternate days. 56 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Yeah. 57 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,680 That's where we get the term leg day. 58 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,280 Yeah, exactly. 59 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:21,720 Yeah. 60 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,640 So what day of the week was this that this happened? 61 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:26,200 This was a Saturday. 62 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,200 Yeah. 63 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,200 OK. 64 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,200 So set the stage. 65 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,680 It's a Saturday morning. 66 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:36,000 You guys decide to go get something healthy for breakfast like Dairy Queen. 67 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:42,160 What had happened is we had we had actually planned on not even really grabbing anything 68 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,160 to eat. 69 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,280 We had planned on just taking our supplement, going and working out and then headed up to 70 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,920 we were planning on going up to the auto show that was in at I think at the time I was at 71 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,860 the Salt Palace or the Delta Center at the time. 72 00:03:54,860 --> 00:03:56,540 What happened next? 73 00:03:56,540 --> 00:04:00,320 So we we both took the supplement and as soon as we took the supplement, we knew it was 74 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,320 bad. 75 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,120 We knew something was off about it. 76 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,800 Even though it looked and tasted normal, something was off about it. 77 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,040 And we figured, you know, maybe getting some to eat would would help us feel better. 78 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,960 So we went straight to that Dairy Queen and went to go grab something to eat. 79 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:23,080 And what you didn't realize was this was a different brand or a different batch and it 80 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,600 was much, much, much stronger than what you normally took. 81 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:27,600 Right. 82 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:28,600 Yeah. 83 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,040 So what we didn't realize is everything we were getting in the United States from American 84 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:37,400 suppliers was a five percent diluted solution and everything outside the United States was 85 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,920 a hundred percent solution. 86 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,860 So even though it was available both in and out of the United States, everything outside 87 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:48,240 the states was a hundred percent solution, meaning 20 times stronger than the American 88 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,240 stuff. 89 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,840 And it was a liquid supplement. 90 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:55,800 So it was, you know, even though it tasted the same, it was 20 times stronger than the 91 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:56,800 normal. 92 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,260 OK, go ahead and get into your story. 93 00:04:59,260 --> 00:05:02,440 So you're thinking, oh, some food will feel a little bit better. 94 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:03,640 No big deal. 95 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,760 You go to Dairy Queen. 96 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,240 What happens then? 97 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,040 So we you know, we we barely get it to Dairy Queen. 98 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,520 My buddy is starting to nod his head as he's driving. 99 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,920 I'm in the passenger seat, kind of shake him awake as we get there. 100 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:18,920 We park. 101 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:24,840 I went straight in and went to the bathroom and the bathroom there is a single use bathroom. 102 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:27,760 So went in, locked the door. 103 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:28,760 My buddy stumbled in. 104 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,160 He stumbled in and collapsed on one of the booths right by the door. 105 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,680 He began to vomit right there. 106 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,760 So the manager came over, saw him, you know, called 911 and got an ambulance there and 107 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,680 they called him away. 108 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:42,680 No problem. 109 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,000 He actually went and got his stomach pumped and he was fine. 110 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:53,720 He got out of the hospital a bit later, whereas where I was, nobody saw us coming together. 111 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,600 So there I was in the bathroom. 112 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:56,960 I too passed out. 113 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,440 I started to vomit. 114 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,400 The problem was when I passed out, I was on my back. 115 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,080 So I started to aspirate as I vomited. 116 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,320 And so I suffocated essentially. 117 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,840 And I'm guessing you locked the door when you went in. 118 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:10,840 We all would. 119 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:11,840 I did. 120 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:12,840 Yeah. 121 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:13,840 Yep. 122 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:14,840 Yeah. 123 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:17,940 In traditional way, you know, I locked the door when I went in and unfortunately nobody 124 00:06:17,940 --> 00:06:19,480 saw me go in. 125 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,600 Everybody saw my buddy come in, but they didn't see me go in because I was so quick. 126 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,600 I felt really nauseated when I came in. 127 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:34,000 And from my perspective, I was seeing the room in the bathroom. 128 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,880 I was seeing that it was starting to get dizzy. 129 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,280 It felt like the whole world was shaking and moving on me. 130 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:42,080 And then that's the last I remember. 131 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:49,040 The next thing I remember, I'm sitting here watching what looks like a movie. 132 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,940 And you know, in the past, I'd worked in the movie industry. 133 00:06:51,940 --> 00:06:57,000 So I was sitting here watching this movie that was panned from the ceiling looking down. 134 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,000 And I thought, well, that's odd. 135 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:04,920 Why would a director shoot a film, you know, from the ceiling down perspective? 136 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,480 But I was sitting there watching what I thought was a movie. 137 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:14,040 And it didn't dawn on me what I was looking at was actually my body and where I had died. 138 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,040 Okay. 139 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,360 How did you get found? 140 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:22,320 So as I'm sitting there watching everything happen, I see them haul away my body in an 141 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,320 ambulance. 142 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,840 I see that nobody knows I'm in there. 143 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,600 And again, I don't know it's me because me is up here watching what's going on. 144 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,900 It's not even possible that it's me down there, you know? 145 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:35,560 And so I'm sitting and watching things happen. 146 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:41,280 I see a customer go and try, a gentleman tried to use the bathroom, tried to open it. 147 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,280 It was locked. 148 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,920 And he kept his eye on it and noticed that nobody was coming out. 149 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:51,040 And after about like 30, 45 minutes of nobody coming out, and this is long past my buddy 150 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,840 leaving, he goes to the manager and says, hey, can I use the restroom? 151 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,600 I think the door is locked. 152 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,440 And he did say, he's like, I think there might be somebody in trouble in there because I 153 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,160 hear a phone ringing and nobody's answering it. 154 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,240 So he went over, you know, the manager went over and, you know, knocked on the door, locked 155 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,520 it, opened it up. 156 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,160 And there's a dead guy on the floor. 157 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,040 So you know, they called 911 again. 158 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:21,840 This time 911 kind of walked them through checking the body for a pulse. 159 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,240 And the second that they, the manager himself didn't actually check the body. 160 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,240 He went and got one of his underlings, a girl that worked for him. 161 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,920 And she was making him or making her touch the body. 162 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,920 And she, when she touched it, she like kind of cringed. 163 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,040 She's like, no, it's cold. 164 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,760 And so 911 said, you know, secure the room. 165 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,720 Don't let anybody in there. 166 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,580 The ambulance, ambulance is on its way. 167 00:08:45,580 --> 00:08:47,480 The police are on their way. 168 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,680 And so from there, that's, that's essentially how, how the body got processed. 169 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:57,160 The ambulance shows up, the doors, you know, kind of closed and they're waiting for the 170 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,160 ambulance to get there. 171 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,000 They let them in there. 172 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,860 They do some preliminary checking with the body and they do pronounce it dead. 173 00:09:04,860 --> 00:09:09,840 They put the body in a bag, you know, put it in the back of an ambulance. 174 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,120 This medical team though is two veteran medics and one rookie medic. 175 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:19,160 So the rookie medic is his first week on the job. 176 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,480 He feels very dismayed. 177 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,040 And that's something else that was kind of odd to me from my perspective. 178 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:30,940 I could hear and feel the feelings and thoughts of everybody around, which again, I'm thinking 179 00:09:30,940 --> 00:09:31,940 this is a movie. 180 00:09:31,940 --> 00:09:36,240 So I'm thinking this is really weird that, that the director would allow me to hear everyone's 181 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,920 thoughts and feel everyone's feelings. 182 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,780 And so I'm sitting here feeling the dismay of this rookie. 183 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:49,280 He feels horrible that he can't try, that he can't, he can't try to get this body resuscitated, 184 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,360 try to save this guy. 185 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,000 And they, you know, they go ahead, they bag up the body, they put it in the ambulance 186 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:00,560 and, and, and as they're doing the paperwork and all of that, they're almost done. 187 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:05,160 A police officer shows up, signed some paperwork with them. 188 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:10,080 They trade some paperwork and, and then off they go to turn the bat, the body into the 189 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,080 medical examiner. 190 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:19,320 And as they pull away from my perspective, where I am, I feel this very, very strong 191 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,480 energy go over my left shoulder from behind me. 192 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:29,000 And this, this strong energy, I see it and feel it go to the medic who's sitting in the 193 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,360 back, the rookie. 194 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:36,640 And when it hits him, he starts to glow, he, he literally starts to glow like light glowing 195 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,360 from inside him around the heart area. 196 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:47,040 And all of a sudden they hear very loudly, this one's not dead. 197 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:52,080 Which was really weird because it was, it was very, very loud and I could hear it myself. 198 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,860 And the rookie medic kind of looked around and was thinking, well, maybe, maybe someone's 199 00:10:56,860 --> 00:10:58,680 playing a joke on me. 200 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:03,040 And he had kind of that thought and then, then thought, no, that wasn't anybody else. 201 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,040 That was something else. 202 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:12,280 And a few, few feet down the road later, I feel it again, this strong pulse of energy 203 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:19,240 over my left shoulder and, and it, and it hits him again, but the light grows brighter 204 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,520 and it goes brighter, bigger than from just around his heart. 205 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:28,680 And it actually starts to glow for about essentially from his waist to the top of his head. 206 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:35,040 And I hear it again a second time, but even louder this time, this one's not dead. 207 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:41,440 And that was enough for him, the medic, the rookie that he decided to take action. 208 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,120 So, you know, unbeknownst to his other two medics that he's working with, he goes ahead 209 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,600 and unzips the body bag and starts feeling around the neck. 210 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,920 He feels around the arm for a pulse. 211 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:57,320 The body's cold at this time and he knows that, you know, he's, he doesn't know what 212 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:58,320 he's necessarily doing. 213 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,440 He just knows he has to take action on what he felt. 214 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,680 He didn't feel a pulse under the arm, didn't feel a pulse at the neck. 215 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:11,240 So he, he ended a couple of straps on the, on the body and went down, unzipped further 216 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,180 and went down to the inside of the groin. 217 00:12:14,180 --> 00:12:18,360 He was feeling for the femoral artery or the big artery down there. 218 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,520 And as he, he was feeling for that, he pushed past the muscle tissue in the leg and actually 219 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,840 made contact with the femur bone. 220 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:35,520 As he did that, I felt like a spark, an ignition, almost like a, a shock, like a physical shock 221 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:36,720 where I was. 222 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,960 And I felt him feel it too. 223 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,320 Like we both felt this shock. 224 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,600 And where you were at that time was still an observer kind of position. 225 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,520 Yes, still in a complete observation. 226 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:49,520 Yeah. 227 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,320 Looking down on what's happening. 228 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:52,320 Okay. 229 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,560 And you're feeling somehow what he's feeling. 230 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:55,560 Okay. 231 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:56,560 Keep going. 232 00:12:56,560 --> 00:13:01,880 So I feel, I feel that shock or, or kind of ignition as he goes in and feels the femur 233 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,560 artery and, um, or feels for that. 234 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:11,080 And it was enough to him, even though it wasn't necessarily a pulse, it was enough of something 235 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,640 out of the norm that he decided, you know what? 236 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,160 I got to try to resuscitate him and I felt that from him, that he felt he had to try 237 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,280 to resuscitate me. 238 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:25,560 So he went ahead and began to process me and, and, uh, you know, go through the process 239 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:30,440 of trying to resuscitate the body, um, out of an aspiration, essentially trying to get 240 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,160 oxygen in the lungs. 241 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,080 Um, he, he hooked up some diodes on the chest. 242 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,320 Uh, he had to cut off the shirt. 243 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:42,800 He hooked up some diodes on the chest so that he could, um, you know, shock the body back 244 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,040 or shock the heart back. 245 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,160 And up until this point, the other two medics had no idea what he was doing. 246 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,880 They were kind of involved in their own conversation, ignoring him. 247 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,160 You know, he's just the rookie. 248 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,160 They're ignoring him. 249 00:13:55,160 --> 00:14:00,520 Um, now all of a sudden they, they hear the charge alarm on the defibrillator that it 250 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:05,800 makes this alarm before it actually charges the body with electricity. 251 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,200 And um, they, they both hear it. 252 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,280 They hear the alarm go off. 253 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,200 They look back and they just start laying into them like you're, you're going to get 254 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,200 fired. 255 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,200 You can't do this. 256 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,200 This is a dead body. 257 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,840 You need to know when to let go, um, that kind of stuff. 258 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,760 And, and it didn't dissuade him at all. 259 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,240 He just went ahead and kept with it. 260 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,920 He let the body get shocked once it made no difference to just kind of jumped a little 261 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:28,920 bit. 262 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,680 Um, after a second round of shocks, they did, he did get one heartbeat. 263 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,400 So he got a single heartbeat and then went back to flat line. 264 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,160 And then the third round of shocks, he got a steady faint heartbeat. 265 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,720 Um, but, but what was cool though, is after the second round of shocks with that single 266 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,560 heartbeat, it did kind of shut up the other two medics. 267 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,160 So they would, they allowed him to do it. 268 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,540 He was doing. 269 00:14:52,540 --> 00:14:58,240 And by the third round, um, where the heart started again, these other two medics radioed 270 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,240 ahead to a hospital that happened to be only a few feet away when this all happened. 271 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:08,520 Um, right there on 800 north, the Timotsevis hospital, they, they were able to get me right 272 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:09,920 into Timotsevis hospital. 273 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,600 Cause this, this happened just feet in front of the hospital when my heart came back on 274 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:15,600 the third round. 275 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:23,280 So, um, all together, there's estimates that have me, um, being dead for well over 45 minutes. 276 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,200 There's estimates that say it could have been well over two hours altogether. 277 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,880 Uh, nobody was sitting there with a stopwatch. 278 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:35,100 Um, but from the time that they pronounced me dead, which they found me cold to the time 279 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:41,680 that I was turned in to the hospital, which was moments after my heart started was a good 280 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:42,680 45 minutes. 281 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:49,600 So there, there's an easy way to document, uh, at least 45 minutes of death, if not longer, 282 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,960 um, that, that the body was dead, but, but still at this point, I wasn't back in the 283 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:54,960 body. 284 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:55,960 Right. 285 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,280 So I know this happened and, and still it didn't dawn on me that it was me at all. 286 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,520 It was just me observing all this going on in front of me. 287 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:09,200 I just want to make sure I get all the detail here because this is a whole lot of information 288 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,680 from the time you were declared dead, tell your heart started. 289 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:20,960 That was 45 minutes before that, the time you were locked in the bathroom was probably 290 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,840 at least a half an hour. 291 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:23,840 At least. 292 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:24,840 Yeah. 293 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:31,520 If not longer, the paramedics had come and gotten your friend and left and somebody finally 294 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:32,520 did something. 295 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:37,600 Then there's also a period of time from when they called nine one one until they come and 296 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,200 get you and declare you dead. 297 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,480 I don't know how long that was. 298 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:41,480 Yeah. 299 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:42,480 And that was a few minutes. 300 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,400 It was probably around like five to 10 minutes. 301 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:46,400 Yeah. 302 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:52,400 So I think, I think conservatively, it seems like an hour and a half. 303 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:53,400 Yeah. 304 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,400 Yeah, exactly. 305 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,480 And it could have even been longer. 306 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,560 It's documented at least 45 minutes from the time they found the body till they told us 307 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:01,560 it was resuscitated. 308 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,560 Yeah. 309 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:03,560 And turned in the hospital. 310 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,280 So, so with that, that's, that's why when you see some of the documentation of it, we 311 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:13,280 call it 45 minutes because we, we haven't documented that 45 beyond that. 312 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:18,160 It's speculation of one person versus another, but we know it's at least 45 or more. 313 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,160 Yeah. 314 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,160 So sure. 315 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,160 At least. 316 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,120 So the paramedics, okay, he's dead. 317 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:27,520 And they actually put you in a body bag and zip it up, right? 318 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,520 Yep. 319 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,520 Full zip the body bag and not just that they strapped it down like a dead body. 320 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,520 So they, they put it, they put a tight strap around the neck area, the chest, the hips, 321 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,840 the feet, and it's strapped down tight, like tight. 322 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:41,840 Yeah. 323 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,460 So it's not going to roll, roll off or something, which would be horrible. 324 00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:48,120 And they're not headed to the hospital. 325 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:50,080 They're headed to the coroner's office. 326 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,080 They are. 327 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,680 They are headed to the coroner's office, which at the time was in Provo. 328 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,960 I don't know if it's still there, but they were headed, you know, to hit the freeway 329 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,240 and go down to Provo, turn in the body. 330 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:07,280 Whereas the route that they were going took them right in front of Timpanogos hospital. 331 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,240 And my heart started about 300 feet from the hospital. 332 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:17,660 I know this area in Orem, Utah, from where that Dairy Queen was, it's no longer there 333 00:18:17,660 --> 00:18:22,440 to Timpanogos hospital is it's only a mile or two. 334 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,640 I mean, this is not far. 335 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:25,640 It's right there. 336 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:26,640 Yeah. 337 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:34,000 So this wasn't like this rookie EMT had a half an hour to think about it or something. 338 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:39,560 This happened actually very quickly once the ambulance started going, it sounds like. 339 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:40,560 Yeah. 340 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,520 Once, once they pulled away from the scene, which took a little bit because that, that 341 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,920 parking lot's a little tricky for an ambulance. 342 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:53,240 It had to exit out the far east side to get out of there. 343 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,160 And so they exited out of the far east of the parking lot and started driving towards 344 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,320 the freeway or towards State Street right there. 345 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:06,560 And just after they passed State Street is where the second, the second shock had happened 346 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,520 right around State Street and then just past State Street, the third shock. 347 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:11,520 Yeah. 348 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,200 And of course, because the body was dead, they were in no hurry. 349 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,000 There wasn't exactly, yeah, there wasn't a siren on and going 80 miles an hour. 350 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,960 They were just kind of cruising safely. 351 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,960 Holy cow. 352 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,440 Okay. 353 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,840 Now, well, go ahead and keep going. 354 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:36,400 One thing that I want to come back to at some point is some people, when they have an experience 355 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:44,920 of their, of their heart stopping is they are, let's say it's in an emergency room and 356 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,840 they leave their body and they're up in the corner of the room looking down. 357 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,680 Yours was kind of like that. 358 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:56,080 Other people immediately go someplace else, whether it's through a tunnel or whatever, 359 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,680 they end up in a heavenly kind of place. 360 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:05,520 Did you stay in that position where you were looking on down on your body the whole time? 361 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,520 I did until right after this. 362 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:13,640 So right after this all happened, you know, as they were transferring the body from the 363 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:20,200 ambulance into the hospital, they had to transfer it off of the, the, the med, the board that 364 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,240 they had strapped me to strap the body to as they were transferring the body over from 365 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,160 that into an actual hospital gurney or hospital bed. 366 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:34,320 Um, the, because the body had been dead for so long, it was going through some, some major 367 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,320 problems. 368 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,440 Uh, the body was going into seizures and, and gyrating and foaming at the mouth. 369 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,160 Um, as that was happening, the hospital staff, as they're trying to bring the body in, they 370 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,120 realized they had to strap the body down. 371 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:52,760 And um, because it was, you know, gyrating so much in the seizures. 372 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,320 So they, they strapped the two legs down and then they went to go strap the arms. 373 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,360 They got the right arm strapped down. 374 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:04,400 And as they went to strap the left arm, I actually felt someone strapping my left arm 375 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,480 where I was sitting watching all this happen. 376 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:13,640 So I looked down to see my left arm, but what I saw was the left arm of the body. 377 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:19,000 And that's when it, that's when the first dawn on me that what I'd been watching this 378 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,600 whole time was me. 379 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,120 And all of a sudden that these, this flood of negative thoughts came to me. 380 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:27,560 Like you're such an idiot. 381 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,120 How could you not know this was you? 382 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:33,720 You've been dead the whole time that you've been witnessing your own death. 383 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,720 Um, I had just these very like kind of egotistical thoughts, like you idiot. 384 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,420 How could you not know this was you? 385 00:21:41,420 --> 00:21:46,880 And as I was sitting there having those thoughts, I started to see just in real quick flashes, 386 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:52,760 all the negative things I'd ever done in my life, which, um, I lived an okay life, not, 387 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,840 not, not like a saint and not like a super sinner either. 388 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,600 But, but I'll tell you, I had a lot of bad stuff that I saw that I didn't realize that 389 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,160 I had, I had influence on people. 390 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,640 And so I saw all these things happening. 391 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:12,680 And as I, I was seeing all these negative things that had, that had happened and I essentially 392 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:18,800 had as an influence on other people, I then started to feel this warmth on my back and 393 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:24,240 um, this warmth started, it felt like just the most amazing, beautiful feeling. 394 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,760 There's, there's no words to describe what this feels like because there's nothing in 395 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,680 this life that's like it. 396 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,660 But, but I'll tell you, it's the best thing that I'd ever felt and ever will feel is this 397 00:22:35,660 --> 00:22:39,280 tremendous amount of love that was coming over me. 398 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,080 And it felt like it was coming from behind me. 399 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:47,660 As I realized it was coming from behind me, I started to flash and see all the good things 400 00:22:47,660 --> 00:22:53,000 that I'd done and not just the good things, but, but the good influences I'd had on people 401 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:58,480 and, and how it not just affected them and how, how they affected others with, with the 402 00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,480 good too. 403 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,080 So I got to see kind of the flip side of that. 404 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,160 And this is all happening in an instant. 405 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:10,560 So very quick, I turned to see where this, this tremendous love is coming from. 406 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:17,080 And I, I turned around, I see this, this man, um, dressed in all white, he's wearing kind 407 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:22,840 of a white suit, but he's also got like this white stole or robe over the top of it. 408 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:29,080 And he's just sitting there smiling and looking at me with the smile and, and his pink skin 409 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,940 is very, very pink and glistening. 410 00:23:31,940 --> 00:23:39,020 It's glistening like, um, like the sand of a beach in the sun and light is literally 411 00:23:39,020 --> 00:23:44,760 emitting from him, like literally lights coming from inside him. 412 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:50,120 And I could feel that that tremendous amount of love was coming through him as well. 413 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:53,440 And my first thought is this must be God. 414 00:23:53,440 --> 00:24:00,280 And as soon as I even had that thought, um, he, the gentleman kind of laughed and I just 415 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,760 heard his answer without him using his mouth. 416 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,000 I just heard, no son, I'm not God. 417 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,280 And then I, my follow-up thought was, well, then you must be Jesus, even though you don't 418 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,240 look like Jesus, you must be Jesus. 419 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,200 And then he kind of laughed at that and said, no son, I'm not Jesus either. 420 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:24,040 I'm here as your guide to help you go where you want to go and you can call me Drake. 421 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:29,800 Um, I just knew to call him Drake because I just knew he, he, he put that out there 422 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,000 that I could call him Drake. 423 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:37,120 So I, I, I began to work with this, this guide that was there to help me. 424 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,860 And he asked me if I wanted to stay. 425 00:24:39,860 --> 00:24:44,120 And he showed me back to the body in the hospital and they were, they were just going to town 426 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:45,120 at that time. 427 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:49,400 They were, they were putting stuff in the body, injecting things and doing all sorts 428 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,920 of life-saving treatments to the body. 429 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,400 And it looked like hell to me. 430 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,400 It really did the way that the body was just kind of the center of attention of all these 431 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,960 people working on it. 432 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,800 Um, I didn't want to go back to that. 433 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:07,360 I wanted to go towards this tremendous love that I felt from this guy. 434 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,000 And I told him that I said, I want to go wherever you're coming from. 435 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,800 I can feel the tremendous love coming from you. 436 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,480 I want to go towards that. 437 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,080 He helped explain to me that we were going to go on a journey, that this wasn't just 438 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:27,600 a quick journey, but I had to, I had to move from like point A to point B, but I also had 439 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,920 to raise my understanding and raise my frequency. 440 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:37,760 I had to raise, um, my vibration of who I was to be able to go where we wanted to go. 441 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,680 And I said, okay, let's do it. 442 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:46,280 And, and so we began our process, our journey and, um, across this journey, we were moving, 443 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,440 you know, through space. 444 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,960 I could see space moving around me. 445 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:55,740 We were surrounded in light as we, as we moved, but I could, I could legitimately see like 446 00:25:55,740 --> 00:26:02,140 vast amounts of space moving past us as we move, maybe as if we were inside of a shooting 447 00:26:02,140 --> 00:26:04,120 star kind of thing. 448 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:09,960 And as I'm seeing, you know, the space move around me, certain principles were, were kind 449 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,560 of thrown out to me. 450 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,360 And it was really funny how it worked. 451 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,320 He would send a principle to me, like an understanding. 452 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,240 I wouldn't call it necessarily even a principle. 453 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,620 He would send an understanding to me. 454 00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:26,860 And as long as I was willing to accept the possibility that that understanding was true, 455 00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:28,580 then we could keep moving. 456 00:26:28,580 --> 00:26:34,320 But if I wasn't able to accept that it was possibly truth, then I would slow down my, 457 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,080 my own progress. 458 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,080 And he would help me. 459 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,640 He would, you kind of work with me, give me some, some scenarios, some, some, um, some 460 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,180 understandings until I could understand that it was truth. 461 00:26:46,180 --> 00:26:48,560 And then we would continue our path. 462 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:54,320 And essentially we went through a lot of understanding to get to actual heaven. 463 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,440 These understandings, I, I break them down to essentially 10 principles. 464 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,480 There was a bit more than that, but I can break it, break it down to, to 10 primary 465 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,080 principles that I had to understand to be able to, to go all the way with him all the 466 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,920 way to heaven. 467 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,960 And so we went through these 10 principles. 468 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,200 We made it through all, all 10. 469 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,760 We slowed down on a few of them and, and just until I could understand it and embrace it, 470 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,940 and then we would continue to move. 471 00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:29,840 And we made it all the way towards this, this grand, grand kingdom, this planet that, um, 472 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,080 is so much more vast than we can understand. 473 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:39,320 It is, it's bigger than hundreds of sons, uh, you know, in our solar system, it's bigger 474 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,960 than million of, you know, more than a million of our earths could fit inside side to side 475 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,740 inside of this planet. 476 00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:49,700 This planet is extremely large. 477 00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:55,800 And as we approached it, it kind of had a glow around the, like, if you were to put 478 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:02,920 a big wide belt around this planet and, and consider it like a frosty glow, that's what 479 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,920 it looked like. 480 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,540 So this planet is, is like complete white. 481 00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:11,880 And as we get close to it, I can start picking out that there's some blues and some, some 482 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,800 other colors in there. 483 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:19,200 But as we're getting close, I noticed that there's kind of this yellow golden light around 484 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,240 the outside of the planet, but it's like this really wide belt. 485 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,280 So you know, when you see the, the rings of Saturn, how they're this, this really slim, 486 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,280 you know, almost like a razor line belt going around, it was like that. 487 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,800 But instead of being the razor line that you see, it was the wide side. 488 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,500 So you know, if you turn those belts up on their side and they went around really wide 489 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:42,800 around the planet, that's what it looked like. 490 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:49,480 And as we were approaching, I have a very analytical mind, always have, and I was very 491 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:56,080 interested that what would cause this, this kind of golden frosty color to go around the 492 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,720 outside of this planet, this heaven that we're going to. 493 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,080 And Drake helped me understand that this is the pearly gate. 494 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,040 This is what we would consider. 495 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,560 Now I didn't fully understand that's what we terminology called a pearly gate, but he 496 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,960 showed me what it is. 497 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,380 And as we got closer, we got to zoom in on one of these, these kind of orbs or pearls 498 00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:18,640 of light. 499 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:28,180 And inside each orb is a group of souls and each soul is, is trying to cleanse themselves 500 00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:30,200 of certain energies. 501 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:36,960 And this particular one that we went into was a distrust or a inability to forgive your 502 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,440 child. 503 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,400 And so I'm sitting here looking and I see this gentleman, he's from like the late 1800s 504 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,880 or early 1900s, the way he was dressed and he was speaking Italian, but I could understand 505 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,280 what he was saying. 506 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,180 He was, he was cussing out in his own mind's eye. 507 00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:57,440 He was seeing his own son and he was cussing him out. 508 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,260 He felt like the actions of his son led to his death. 509 00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:03,920 And he was so upset about this. 510 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,920 He was just going off in, in Italian. 511 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,080 And again, I could understand what he was saying, even though I don't understand Italian. 512 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,400 And I could, and he was using his words, his mouth, which was odd because up till this 513 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,520 point no one, you know, not my guy, nothing around me was using the, the communication 514 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,520 of a mouth. 515 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,840 But here this gentleman was just going off in Italian and I'm understanding what he's 516 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,840 saying. 517 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,920 And I, and I'm allowed to see what he sees in his own mind. 518 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,920 And I see that he's seeing the face of his son as he's, he's just going to town on him, 519 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,800 just yelling at him. 520 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:44,000 And I look around and I see that, that the light that builds this orb around the soul 521 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,720 is is love and it's facilitated by angels, literally angels. 522 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,680 They're facilitating this orb. 523 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:57,500 And this gentleman is getting to the, getting to the end finally of all this like distrust 524 00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:59,520 and inability to forgive. 525 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:04,580 And he gets to the end and he kind of like takes this breath, like, like gets it out 526 00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:05,580 of him. 527 00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:08,920 And then he realized where he was up until that point. 528 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,680 He was in his mind's eye. 529 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,960 He was still yelling at his son and out of nowhere. 530 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,300 The second he realized that he wasn't in front of his son anymore. 531 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,060 And he took this deep breath. 532 00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:23,040 This team of angels came to his side and he was off. 533 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,040 He was gone. 534 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,340 They took him. 535 00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:30,400 They took him into heaven as the second that he got done with, with what he needed to cleanse 536 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,840 out of him. 537 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,960 And so it's, you know, and then right after that, I got to see this lady to kind of going 538 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:42,280 through the same energy with her daughter, where she was blaming her for her, her passing, 539 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,360 putting the stress on her passing and all this stuff. 540 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:51,000 But it was, it was neat though, for me to see that even, you know, even in our experience 541 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:57,280 of crossing, if we have some energy that we were carrying with us, that God has a process 542 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,880 for us to be cleansed of that negative energy before we can get into heaven. 543 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,520 And there's a reason for that is because you really have to get to such a high loving frequency 544 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,560 or a high loving vibration to be able to get into heaven. 545 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:19,440 And how that works is the same way that you couldn't take our physical body right now 546 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,300 and you couldn't just put it on the sun because it would be incinerated. 547 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:27,960 You'd have to get to such a high vibration even to get to our son and this heaven is 548 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,080 even greater than our son. 549 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,560 It's it, it is bright white. 550 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,240 It is extremely white. 551 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:42,320 And the light coming from this planet of heaven, it actually comes from the planet. 552 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,080 There's no like outside sun shining on the planet, like the light comes from in it. 553 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:52,120 So for us to get there, we have to get to such a high rate vibrational frequency. 554 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:59,800 We have to be in complete love with God and the eternities to be able to get there. 555 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,360 And so for those who are not in that space, God does have a pearly gate, but it's not 556 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,340 a fence. 557 00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:13,740 It's actually an energetic gate that allows people to cleanse themselves and get that 558 00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:16,680 negative energy out of them so they can get there. 559 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,680 Yeah. 560 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,800 So it's not a pearly gate to keep evil people out. 561 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,960 It's a way of cleansing and becoming better so that you can get in exactly because he 562 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,160 wants everybody to come in. 563 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,280 Absolutely. 564 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,560 And here's my tool to help you do so. 565 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,720 And our time in the gate would only be facilitated by us. 566 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:43,080 You know, how much time do we need to cleanse ourselves to get to the end of our sentence 567 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,880 where we're allowed to finally get out of us what we need to get out of us. 568 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,880 Yeah. 569 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,260 Did your guide, Drake, did he tell you this is heaven? 570 00:33:51,260 --> 00:33:53,900 Did you just automatically know this? 571 00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:55,920 Was there a name for this planet? 572 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,440 Anything else you can fill in there? 573 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:08,200 I asked him, I asked him because in the process of traveling, he helped me understand how 574 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:13,420 vast the universe is and how vast all of creation is. 575 00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:19,640 And it's far bigger than what NASA or any of our space agencies could ever explain to 576 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,840 us. 577 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:26,720 And he helped me understand that there's life everywhere in the universe, everywhere, not 578 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:32,080 just in our little nook and cranny of the universe, like everywhere there is life, everywhere 579 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,760 there is creation, there is life. 580 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,920 And that life form takes so many different forms. 581 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,920 And it's a beautiful, beautiful thing. 582 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,160 As he was showing me like the vastness of the universe, then we were continuing to go 583 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,080 towards our our target or our goal where we're going. 584 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:56,300 And I had asked him, I'm like, oh, so there's, there's so many other, you know, parts of 585 00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,000 life out there. 586 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,600 And yet there's still this heaven and what I would call heaven, you know, where we're 587 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,600 going. 588 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:12,000 And he explained to me, yes, this is a heaven, but there are many heavens that there is. 589 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:18,960 There's different heavens for different creation, but this is the heaven for essentially, creations 590 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,080 like myself, for humans, essentially. 591 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:31,200 But there's a, a, a grand, grand scheme of, of life is the fact that whatever heaven we 592 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,600 need is what we're going to get. 593 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:42,680 So primarily where, where I was going, this vast place was kind of a learning heaven as 594 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:49,240 like I actually saw a university type structure on the planet where people could go and learn 595 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,120 the mysteries of the universe. 596 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:59,540 They could also get cleansed of any harm of how they passed or how they had been raised. 597 00:35:59,540 --> 00:36:03,840 But even to get there, you would essentially get cleansed mostly of all those things. 598 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,640 Cause that, that, that all permeating love that makes everything function. 599 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,880 It's so all permeating that it just washes away the harm that this world, that this life 600 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,920 puts in you. 601 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,080 I was raised in a pretty rough home. 602 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:25,220 I was raised in a loving home, but an extremely abusive home to the extremes. 603 00:36:25,220 --> 00:36:30,400 So I had a lot of black holes in myself growing up and those black holes would show up in 604 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,200 fights in altercations, specifically with males. 605 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,640 I had a lot of altercations with males growing up. 606 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:43,680 And, and, and most of that was because of the abuse that was around me that was going 607 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,320 on. 608 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,360 And so I had a lot to overcome. 609 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,120 And what was amazing to me is, is all the black holes that were kind of pounded into 610 00:36:54,120 --> 00:37:01,800 me as a child, all the darkness that was pounded and beaten to me as a child, um, was erased, 611 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:08,120 was erased instantly in the first few moments of this unconditional love. 612 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,400 But a lot of it was cause I really embraced it. 613 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,400 I did. 614 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:17,040 I, I remember feeling that energy that I could embrace it if I wanted to, I did have to, 615 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,540 and I did embrace it because it was so beautiful to me. 616 00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:26,960 And I was able to erase a lot of, of past trauma, past problems that I had picked up 617 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,800 in my energetic body of who I was. 618 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,840 Um, and, and it's beautiful because that same love is what makes the whole system run in 619 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,840 the real universe. 620 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,040 Now this is where we live here is the outskirts. 621 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:46,080 This is, this is kind of like the energetic dump of the, of the universe. 622 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:52,280 It's the lowest lowest, one of the lowest frequencies you can even find in all of creation. 623 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,560 So where we live here, um, and we do this on purpose. 624 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,020 We come here so that we can get some distance from God so that we can learn to make our 625 00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:05,480 own decisions, learn the power of agency and creation. 626 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:12,900 Um, and, and then we go back where that just, that all permeating unconditional love exists 627 00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:18,440 and it is so healing and cathartic and it, and it makes everything run over there. 628 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,680 That's what makes everything run in the real existence in the universe is love. 629 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,960 This just unconditional love. 630 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,880 And I like to term it as light because it is, it's just the way that light is everywhere 631 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,880 there. 632 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,880 Um, it's just all permeating and this love is so tremendous, so tremendous. 633 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,320 So at this point, is it time for you to head back to the hospital or do you see more? 634 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,240 You mentioned a university kind of thing. 635 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,800 Did you get a full tour of this place? 636 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,800 I did. 637 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,800 I got, I got essentially the, I got the, the short version of the tour. 638 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,800 I joke around with my friends. 639 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,840 I got the short bus version of the tour, but, um, I, I actually touched down on this planet. 640 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,600 We, we actually got where I could actually feel the grass and I could experience the 641 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,080 grass. 642 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,240 Um, the grass had just a, an amazing love coming from it. 643 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:18,040 The grass itself, the, to be near it and to touch it, you could actually taste the sweetness 644 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,160 of it, even though you're not eating it or anything, you just tasted it. 645 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,120 And the grass itself had an actual music coming from it. 646 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:32,120 And the, just the colors alone of just the colors you could see in a single blade of 647 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:38,480 grass are more colors than this entire world here can take just so beautiful. 648 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:45,320 Just simply the grass was just life changing to be there and experience just the grass. 649 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,520 Now I got to also experience water. 650 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,960 I got to experience flowers and trees and even got to experience this little bug, um, 651 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,600 this little insect, which was just beautiful. 652 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:02,280 And, um, and then I noticed a building, uh, off in the distance and I got to see a little 653 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,680 bit of what this building was. 654 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,200 And it was a university type building where people could go and learn anything they wanted 655 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,720 to learn from all the different forms of life, from all the different societies ever, but 656 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,920 they were only eternal truths. 657 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,760 So you can only go there to learn truths. 658 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:24,400 You couldn't go there to learn misinterpretations or manipulations like we, we learned here. 659 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:31,080 And no matter what people say, almost all universities here are only filled with interpretations 660 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,560 and manipulations, not eternal truths. 661 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:41,720 Um, only in physics and, and, and only in certain schools are you actually getting unmanipulated, 662 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:45,160 um, uninterpreted eternal truths. 663 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,520 Um, most schools everywhere, you're only getting what people want you to learn, not what, what 664 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,800 is actually there for us to learn. 665 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,000 So, um, yeah, this, this school is amazing. 666 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,760 And, and I got to experience a little bit of how, how it works and how someone has to match 667 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,240 the frequency of a class or a room to be able to get in. 668 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:09,560 If they can't match it, then the room just doesn't open up. 669 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,960 There's just no doorway for them, but they keep walking and there's going to be a doorway 670 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:14,960 for them. 671 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,160 So, so if it doesn't match them, they just keep walking until the one does match them 672 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,160 and the doorway appears, they're able to go in. 673 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:28,960 So it really is built out of, um, this love for us, for all of creation, um, and for us 674 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:34,500 to, for us to fully comprehend just, just the amount of love that it took to create 675 00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:36,160 the grass. 676 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,600 We would completely change how we live in this world. 677 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,600 Wow. 678 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,280 Because that, that love is so beautiful and it's, and it's for us, it's, God loves us 679 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,560 so, so much. 680 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:52,200 We have no idea that we are the royalty of all creation as humans. 681 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,200 We are the royalty. 682 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,960 We are, we are the Kings and Queens of all creation because God created the whole universe 683 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:05,000 and God gathered all the universes, all the, all the creations and brought it together 684 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,520 in one creation here on earth. 685 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:14,240 And with the purpose of, of creating these physical bodies for us to, to drive around 686 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:21,440 for a little while for us to learn how to exercise agency and learn how to make our 687 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,620 own decisions without the influence of God's love. 688 00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:31,100 And why that's important is because when you're in the presence of God's love, anything you 689 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:36,960 want is exactly what God wants because that love is so strong. 690 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,320 You can't have your own independent thought where you actually want something that God 691 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,200 or doesn't want. 692 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:51,080 So God knew for us to learn the, learn that, you know, this life is, is all about us learning 693 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,960 and then, and it's so funny because so many of our religions teach us that, that life 694 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,060 is a courtroom, but in actuality, it's a classroom. 695 00:42:59,060 --> 00:43:00,080 It's not a courtroom. 696 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,080 It's a classroom. 697 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,080 We're here to learn. 698 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,080 That's it. 699 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:10,140 We're here to, to learn how to, how to love, how to create and how to make choices. 700 00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:11,440 That's it. 701 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,400 And I equate it to like a spiritual gym. 702 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:21,800 We're here to learn the resistance of, of distance and, and making choices and, and 703 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,800 exercising those choices so that we can learn to create. 704 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:31,880 And, and, and that becomes very important for us in the long run because, you know, 705 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:37,760 we get that power of creation throughout this life here in very limited forms. 706 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,280 But as we graduate in a good way, we get to continue to create, we get to do some really 707 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,020 amazing beautiful things as we master creation here. 708 00:43:48,020 --> 00:43:51,520 But it begins with our choices, just our choices here. 709 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,080 Did you witness any others? 710 00:43:53,080 --> 00:44:00,200 I guess I'd call them sort of day to day type things besides people in the university. 711 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,100 Were there people doing other things? 712 00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:03,100 Were there houses? 713 00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:04,480 There was. 714 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,180 So I came down near the university type part of heaven. 715 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:14,120 There is a whole nother part that was distant to me, but I was aware of. 716 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,360 And this is, this is what they call the transition part of heaven. 717 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:23,880 So when there's mass transitions or mass graduations, that means, you know, from our perspective, 718 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,040 from the world's perspective, that means big groups of people leaving the earth all at 719 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,040 once. 720 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,220 That would mean like, you know, wars or that kind of thing. 721 00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:37,000 There's this this big area there for that specifically for this. 722 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,840 And they build these little domes on heaven for these souls, they go into these domes 723 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,080 and they're kind of like these pearls of light that we talked about earlier. 724 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:52,620 But it's not it's not something someone has to cleanse because of free agency. 725 00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:56,720 It's something that someone has to cleanse because someone else's free agency put them 726 00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:57,720 in heaven. 727 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:04,680 So that means the bad decisions of mankind ended, you know, ended that person's life. 728 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,360 They they end up in heaven as a quote unquote victim. 729 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,560 Well, God cleanses them of that victimness or that victimhood so that so that they are 730 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,720 completely clean as they enter heaven, even to the point where it wasn't their choice 731 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,560 at all, you know, that this happened to them. 732 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,320 But they're there to be cleansed so that they can go and do their thing, you know, go and 733 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,560 do their special thing. 734 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,920 It's it's really a cool place, though. 735 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:37,000 I got to grasp a little bit of of what to expect when I go back and how, you know, for 736 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,720 for those of us who have lived where we lost a child and and we really want to gain that 737 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:48,360 that time back, that that missing time with our child, we're actually granted that there 738 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,440 will be able to go back and actually have the time we thought we missed, whether it 739 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:59,000 was from a baby or from an adult child that we lost or if there's a mother that we lost, 740 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,600 we feel early. 741 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,560 It's really such a healing place. 742 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,160 We get to have what we need out of it. 743 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:12,080 And and when we get in that space where God's love is just so permeating us and just cleansing 744 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:19,040 us, if we still feel we're missing out on something, God facilitates that we can have, 745 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,240 you know, if you want to call it an illusion or whatever you want to call it, we get to 746 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:23,440 have it, though. 747 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:29,120 We get to literally have it, though, like really have it where we get to experience 748 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:34,920 and have those things we felt we were robbed or missed in this life in such a beautiful 749 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:35,920 way. 750 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,720 But most most people, they get that that all tremendous love cleansing them. 751 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:42,720 That's enough. 752 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:43,720 That's all they need. 753 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:47,160 You know, but but what's so neat, though, is that love so great that they we get whatever 754 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:52,880 we need out of heaven, we do to heal us, to cleanse us, to get us ready for what's next. 755 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:59,500 And what's next for most of us is is mastering that power of creation, going out and exercising 756 00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:02,560 creation and and mastering that power of it. 757 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,580 And still with God's stewardship over us, we're we're given better responsibilities 758 00:47:07,580 --> 00:47:09,000 than we're given here. 759 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,920 Essentially, you learned a lot in a very short amount of time. 760 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,040 Oh, yeah, very short amount of time. 761 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:21,400 Now, I say time as it related to your body in the hospital. 762 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,720 I know time isn't really a thing. 763 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:24,720 Yeah. 764 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:25,720 When you're on the other side. 765 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:31,000 So you could experience what to us may seem like years worth here in pretty much a split 766 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,000 second. 767 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,080 It was three days. 768 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,400 So I was brain dead for three days. 769 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,160 And so during those three days is when this is all happening. 770 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,160 Yeah. 771 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,320 Is there anything else from that experience where you were there in that heavenly place 772 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,960 that you want to tell us about before we come back to Earth? 773 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,080 Well, as the most beautiful part of my whole experience happened right after all this. 774 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,640 So I'm I'm touched down in heaven. 775 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,360 I'm experiencing all of this. 776 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,840 I'm just trying to take in as much as I can. 777 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:58,840 And it was weird. 778 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,520 I almost felt like this sense that it was short, like I had to hurry and get everything 779 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,080 I could, almost like a childlike thirst for learning. 780 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,080 Right. 781 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,040 I just really wanted to learn about everything. 782 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:16,400 And my guide, all of a sudden out of nowhere, he says to me, he says, Vinnie, I know this 783 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,860 is going to be hard, but it's going to be worth it. 784 00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:24,160 And as he said this, he he went to hug me. 785 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,720 And there it's really weird because even though there is physical, it's also it's not physical 786 00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:30,800 like here. 787 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,120 Here is low density physical. 788 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:39,740 And there it's a very higher density where you can take two bodies and actually become 789 00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:42,520 one for a minute as you hug each other. 790 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,560 And this hug that we do here is a mimic of what that hug is there. 791 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:56,000 The hug there is where our two our two energies, our two forces came together in one in God. 792 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,740 And he gave me this hug, this this hug. 793 00:48:59,740 --> 00:49:03,840 It's the most beautiful thing that I'd ever felt. 794 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,760 I felt truly loved. 795 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,040 Not because of what I'd done. 796 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:16,120 Not because of what I could have done, but because I was because I am because I exist. 797 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:22,760 I was just so loved by by Drake and in essence, God, because Drake was there facilitating 798 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:29,280 God and he he helped me understand that he was there as my guide working for God. 799 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:36,680 And I felt just this absolute love from him, from God to through him. 800 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:44,240 And as I was feeling and experiencing this love out of nowhere, I start hearing a prayer 801 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:51,760 or a blessing being said over my body. 802 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,480 Vinny's story is amazing and there's much more to hear. 803 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,140 The rest will be in part two coming out later this week. 804 00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:03,320 In part two, we will hear how Vinny came back and what happened to him after he came back 805 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,320 to his body. 806 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,880 And believe me, it's just as incredible as what you've heard so far. 807 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,120 To be alerted when part two is live, follow the show on your podcasting app or click over 808 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,240 to roundtripdeath.com and sign up for our email newsletter. 809 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:20,720 That'll get you an alert as soon as it's released. 810 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:35,720 Until then, I wish you everything good you're looking for in this life and the next.