1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,840 One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die? 2 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,400 Is death the end or a new beginning? 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,800 Welcome to the Roundtrip Death Podcast. 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,400 In this show, we listen to first-hand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:28,080 return to talk about it. 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,280 We are ending our first season of the show with a big celebrity on today. 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,280 A little bit different kind of format. 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:41,160 We have with us Mark Anthony, JD's psychic explorer, also known as the psychic lawyer. 9 00:00:41,160 --> 00:00:46,040 Now just to tell you a little bit more about Mark, he is a fourth-generation psychic medium 10 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,000 who communicates with spirits. 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:55,080 And here's the big thing, he is an Oxford-educated attorney, licensed to practice law in Florida, 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,320 Washington, D.C. and before the U.S. Supreme Court. 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:05,600 He appears nationwide on TV and radio, including CBS's The Doctors and Gaia TV's Beyond Belief 14 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,400 with George Norrie. 15 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,320 Whole lots of other credentials behind him. 16 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:16,520 He has spoken at conferences and universities, including Brown, Columbia, Harvard, Yale. 17 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,960 This guy has a resume a mile long. 18 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:25,640 He also most recently is author of the bestseller, The Afterlife Frequency, which is the gold 19 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,960 winner of the C.O.V.R. Visionary Awards and was up for a Pulitzer and ranked as one of 20 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:33,320 the top books about faith in God. 21 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:38,440 His other bestselling books are Never Letting Go and Evidence of Eternity. 22 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,560 Mark, it is so good to have you on today. 23 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,560 Thanks, Eric. 24 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,320 It's great to be here. 25 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:50,560 It was fun, we were talking before the show about the recent launch down in Florida. 26 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,200 Did you happen to see that? 27 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,200 Artemis won. 28 00:01:54,200 --> 00:02:00,560 You know, the night that it went up, I was asked to be on coast to coast AM to speak 29 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,600 about of all things near-death experiences. 30 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:09,360 The title of that episode was Ancient Mysteries Reveal New Discoveries. 31 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,520 I'm close enough to the cape that I knew when it went up because I could feel the house 32 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,400 rumbling from the sonic booms. 33 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:25,040 Unfortunately, I didn't get to see it, but my neighbor said it lit up the sky like the 34 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,480 sun itself was coming up. 35 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,240 Those things used to be so huge. 36 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:35,160 They were on every single TV channel live, and now we take them for granted, which seems 37 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,560 a little ridiculous. 38 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:43,160 But anyway, you have not only had your own NDE, you're an expert on the topic, and a 39 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,000 lot of things related to it. 40 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:51,280 Could you give us a little bit of understanding here about what it takes for people who have 41 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:58,800 had one of these experiences to actually not only comprehend it, but figure out what it 42 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,720 means for them? 43 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:06,240 It can take years, even an entire lifetime. 44 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,320 I had my NDE when I was four years old. 45 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:15,000 The reason that I don't go into it in interviews is because it's such a key component to my 46 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,200 latest book, The Afterlife Frequency. 47 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:28,760 For the listeners who want to find out about my NDE and how it took years for the significance 48 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:34,040 of it to unfold, it's essential to read the afterlife frequency. 49 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,160 But both of my parents had NDE's. 50 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,840 My dad had two, and my mother had at least one. 51 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:48,400 My dad was 16 years old when he was in this horrific car accident. 52 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,120 He said the next thing he knew, he was floating. 53 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:57,360 He said about 30, 40 feet above the accident, and he saw the crumpled cars and all these 54 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,720 people running to his body. 55 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,840 They pulled him out, and they were doing CPR on him. 56 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,520 He said, I saw this light, and I heard this voice. 57 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,200 He said, I felt, wow, I'm dead. 58 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,200 This feels great. 59 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,440 I remember dad saying, this feels great. 60 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,920 The voice, and dad said, it wasn't the voice that you hear when you think. 61 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,160 It was a different voice. 62 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,440 His name was Earl, and the voice said, Earl, you have to go back. 63 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,280 Dad then said the next thing he knew, he was in his body again. 64 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,840 He goes, Mark, it hurt like hell. 65 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,200 So there he was, a teenager. 66 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:40,560 Then after that, he was in the Navy, and he had served as a Navy SEAL. 67 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,360 And so about, gosh, it had to be 10, almost 15 years later, he was out of the Navy, but 68 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,000 he was a scuba diver. 69 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:53,880 And he was diving off the coast of New Jersey, and they were in really deep water, 125 feet. 70 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,240 And he said that his regulator jammed. 71 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,880 Now that's never a good thing, and especially in those days, they didn't have any backup 72 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,920 or emergency oxygen supply or anything. 73 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,960 And he said he started sucking water, and he said, Mark, I was drowning. 74 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,520 And at 125 feet, there's nothing you can do. 75 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:11,520 He said, that's it. 76 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:18,360 He said, there I was again, that floating sensation, the light, and the voice said, Earl, it's 77 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,640 not your time again. 78 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,440 You have to go back. 79 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:31,800 He said, Mark, I have absolutely no idea how my regulator started working again. 80 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:38,520 But I started getting oxygen, I cleared my mask, and I made it to the surface. 81 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:50,080 And he cleaned from that, that there was too much that he had to do in his life. 82 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:55,280 And my mother, who was a very gifted psychic medium, both my parents like me were mediums. 83 00:05:55,280 --> 00:06:02,520 And I know that the focus of this program is not necessarily about mediumship, but it's 84 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:09,040 hard to talk about communication with our loved ones in spirit through an NDE without 85 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:16,440 mediumship, because they use similar energetic modalities, and that's why there's an overlap. 86 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,440 And my mother was particularly close to her father. 87 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:32,160 And in my first book, Never Letting Go, one of my early memories, and really, Eric, the 88 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,400 only memory I have of my mother's father, she was super close to her father, who's very 89 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,560 religious, very Catholic, venerated all the saints. 90 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,920 And he always wore this fedora hat. 91 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:50,320 And he was from Italy, so I spoke with this Italian accent, he was like this real suave, 92 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,240 Italian kind of a guy. 93 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:59,160 And he was very, very ill, he was dying of cancer. 94 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,200 And I remember my mother brought me to the hospital to see him in New York. 95 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:09,920 We were living in Florida, dad, we had moved down there to Florida because of aerospace. 96 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:21,760 And two weeks later, it was a Sunday morning, and my mom woke up, and she was staring at 97 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,480 the doorway of her bedroom. 98 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,560 And my dad looked up and he said, Jeannie, what's going on? 99 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,120 And she goes, daddy? 100 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,240 And she saw her father standing in the doorway of her bedroom. 101 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,920 She said he looked young and handsome. 102 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:42,000 He had these rosy cheeks, and he was wearing his fedora, and he always trusts, you know, 103 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,240 he had the best Italian suits. 104 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:49,160 And he tipped his hat to her, which is something he always did when he left the room. 105 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,120 And she said, he didn't say anything, but I heard in my head, there is something beyond 106 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,080 this life, and it is wonderful. 107 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,760 That was, I think, was 7.704 in the morning. 108 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,840 Mom was hysterical crying, all my brother, sister and I, we all woke up. 109 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,640 Why is mommy crying? 110 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:12,320 And she called her brother, mother, she couldn't get a sister, she couldn't get hold of anyone. 111 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,520 And then around 9 o'clock, my uncle called and said, daddy died this morning. 112 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:18,520 She goes, when? 113 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,800 He goes, 7 a.m. 114 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:27,440 So at the precise moment of his death, he came to see her. 115 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,960 Now we now know this as a shared death experience. 116 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:38,680 And shared death experiences typically occur for people who are in close proximity to the 117 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:42,920 person who is dying, but not always. 118 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,400 And in my life, I've experienced this on a number of occasions. 119 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:56,040 But when I was a teenager, my mother had Crohn's disease and her intestines actually burst. 120 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,760 And I would never forget being at the hospital. 121 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,880 And my dad, he's a Navy SEAL, okay? 122 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:09,200 And the surgeon came out and said to us, he goes, I don't think she's going to live. 123 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,960 We're going to lose her. 124 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,000 And I'll never forget my dad walking right up to the surgeon, looking him right in the 125 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,320 eyes and saying, if she dies, you die. 126 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:25,040 Oh, how did he take that? 127 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,040 Well, yeah. 128 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,680 And let me tell you, dad, he was like 5'10". 129 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:36,440 He was one of these 6'4 guys, but man, when dad went into SEAL mode, it was like, my brother 130 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,360 and I are standing there like, oh my God. 131 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,440 Well, he races back into the operating room. 132 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:47,400 They lost my mom for six minutes, but they got her heart going. 133 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,240 My mother said she went into the light. 134 00:09:51,240 --> 00:10:00,120 And she said that she encountered my great-grandmother, Giovanna, who was very well known in the early 135 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:06,560 1900s, well, her whole life as the woman who knows things. 136 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:13,000 She was very gifted, a medium, and in fact, even high-ranking officials from the Catholic 137 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,760 Church, she used to consult with her cardinals, bishops, mother superiors. 138 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:23,480 And she encountered her grandmother, Giovanna, and then her father stepped forward and said, 139 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,560 Jeannie, it's a nod to your time. 140 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:29,400 You have too much to do. 141 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,480 And she came back. 142 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:38,320 And so, Eric, this is the household I grew up in. 143 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,880 I had an NDE when I was four. 144 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:50,400 My parents had NDE's, and it was just something that we did not take for granted. 145 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,400 Yeah. 146 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,520 So, you've been studying this your whole life. 147 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,120 It's been my whole life, yes. 148 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,120 Yeah. 149 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,320 It's been your whole life. 150 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,480 There's probably isn't an answer for this, but it's something that I ponder on, and that 151 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:12,280 is why some people are given a choice of whether they want to come back or not, and others, 152 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:17,800 like your father, are just told, you need to go back. 153 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,760 Do you have any thoughts on why that might be? 154 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,000 I do. 155 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,200 Free will is a gift from God. 156 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,440 Now, when I talk about God, I remember I talked to some friends recently that I hadn't seen 157 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,920 for years about God. 158 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,320 And I said, look, when I say God, I don't mean an erotic white guy sitting on a throne 159 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,760 with a scepter, smiting people. 160 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:47,440 I believe in the energetic link between all of us, which is based on quantum mechanics. 161 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:53,320 And there's a day we're coming in, a day we're going out, and what we do in between is the 162 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,600 choice that we have over. 163 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,800 But it does appear in some NDE's is the choice is yours. 164 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:07,600 But in my research, most of the time, the message from the collective consciousness, 165 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,760 from the vast wisdom, is that you have to go back. 166 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,040 We even saw this in J.K. 167 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,600 Rowling's Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. 168 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:25,240 When Harry, in the very final book in that series, he dies, and he goes to, I think, 169 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:31,400 his Victoria station or whatever, and he sees Dumbledore comes into the light. 170 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,160 And Dumbledore, Harry goes, well, am I dead? 171 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,040 And Dumbledore basically says, well, that's your choice. 172 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:45,680 And I think that's really fascinating the way NDE's have been part of our literature, 173 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:50,800 part of our culture for really for centuries. 174 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:57,760 And so the choice aspect does occasionally come up, but I'm pretty sure that when you 175 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:04,040 and you get to a certain stage in your near death experience, and they tell you, you got 176 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,160 to go back, that's because you have to. 177 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:15,280 And I think that it's also part of that is sharing this experience with other people, 178 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:23,560 which of course, as you all know, is not always welcomed in people's families or religions 179 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:24,920 or social circles. 180 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:30,880 No, I've talked to so many people that said, especially if their NDE was years ago, 20, 181 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:36,960 30, 40 years ago, where it was just not accepted, and they were told, you sound crazy, be quiet, 182 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,880 don't talk about it anymore. 183 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:46,920 And also people who are telling me, yeah, I was and I don't want to name any religions, 184 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,480 but I was this religion. 185 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:57,040 When I told my pastor, minister, whoever about it, he just said, no, or that's of the devil 186 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,960 or, or, you know, basically take that back. 187 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,640 That didn't really happen. 188 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,600 And they're like, it did happen. 189 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,160 It was extremely real. 190 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,240 So what do we do with this? 191 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:16,920 But I wanted to congratulate you because we've done over 40 episodes of this show, and you're 192 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,120 the first person to mention Harry Potter in that whole time. 193 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,480 So congratulations. 194 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:26,640 I didn't know how long we were going to go without it, but now we know the answer to 195 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:27,640 that. 196 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,160 Okay, before we go on, I had one other question for you. 197 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:37,240 The whole shared death experience phenomenon I find extremely interesting too. 198 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,800 And I hadn't really thought about the fact that you could have a shared death experience 199 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,800 with someone who is a long ways away. 200 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,400 I kind of assumed you had to be in the room with them when they die. 201 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:54,560 That seems to being in close physical proximity seems to be the norm. 202 00:14:54,560 --> 00:15:01,360 But in the afterlife frequency, I introduced the concept of the electromagnetic soul, which 203 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:07,200 explains it's the basis for all forms of interdimensional communication. 204 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,920 Shared death and shared death experiences, death bed visions and DBVs, death bed visions 205 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:16,920 and shared death experiences are very closely overlapped. 206 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:22,640 Mediumship visitations when a spirit will come to you in the dream state. 207 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:28,480 And I know we want to focus on NDEs, SDEs and DBVs, death bed visions, so we will. 208 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:35,640 But the electromagnetic soul, I've spent my lifetime developing this theory and it's 209 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,720 been endorsed by the scientific community or at least the afterlife research and survival 210 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,240 of consciousness wing of the scientific community. 211 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:53,800 Every great spiritual teacher from ancient India through Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, 212 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,600 Confucius, Lao-Zu, Muhammad, all the way up to the modern day, Native American spirituality, 213 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:05,800 the religions of the Pacific, because I've studied all of these and I'm always studying 214 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:11,920 more, teach that the soul, the consciousness, the who and what we are pre-exist the body, 215 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,000 comes into the body, moves on after the body dies. 216 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:20,520 We know that from the field of neuroscience, which studies the human brain, that our entire 217 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,160 nervous system has an electrical field. 218 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:30,200 And while the brain accounts for something like 4% of the body's weight, it uses over 219 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,800 20% of the body's electrical energy. 220 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:39,760 In other words, the electromagnetic field in our brain, and we know from the, I think 221 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:45,320 it's the first law in thermodynamics and physics, that energy is neither created nor destroyed 222 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,720 only transferred. 223 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:53,080 So combining faith and science, I created the term the electromagnetic soul to describe 224 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:59,920 what we really are, which is pure consciousness, that is eternal electromagnetic energy. 225 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:10,200 And that, that Eric is the basis for us understanding the science of near-death, shared-death experiences, 226 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,520 death bedvisions, mediumship and so on and so forth. 227 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,560 But I'll, I'll focus my discussion on the NDEs and the SDEs. 228 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:26,680 So there are five different brain wave frequencies, gamma, alpha, theta, excuse me, gamma, beta, 229 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,800 alpha, theta, delta. 230 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,720 Gamma is when you're in the jeopardy tournament of champions, all right? 231 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,240 Your brain is just cooking. 232 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,240 Yeah, that's when you're like running full throttle. 233 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,000 Beta is, is the activities for daily living, the awake state, I can drive my car, balance 234 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,560 my checkbook, you know, use a computer, talk. 235 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:50,120 When you begin to relax and go into the meditative state or, or you start to fall asleep, you 236 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:51,680 go into alpha. 237 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,520 And then when you go into dreaming sleep, that's theta. 238 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,840 Delta has very little brain wave activity, but that's real important because that's when 239 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:04,560 your body is diverting energy to healing and, you know, cellular regeneration. 240 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:11,720 But it's the alpha, theta border where psychic and mediumistic type activities occur and 241 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,240 spirits are able to see that. 242 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:24,640 And when people are in that state, spirits will adjust their frequency down to the alpha, 243 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,240 theta frequency so that we can have contact. 244 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:39,800 So what we've seen in 2022, two huge developments in near death experience research in February 245 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:47,640 of 2022 in Tartu, Estonia, an 87 year old man had a stroke rushed to the hospital. 246 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:53,160 He's hooked up to an EEG and electron cephalogram and they're monitoring his brain waves and 247 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,560 he has a massive heart attack and dies. 248 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:04,640 Never before in history had someone died while being administered in EEG and what happened 249 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:10,840 to astonished medical professionals worldwide, all five brain wave frequencies surged off 250 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,280 the scale. 251 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:22,040 Now November 6th, 2022, the Grossman Institute of New York University released a study called 252 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:32,320 Lucid Dying and it was conducted at 25 hospitals between the US and the UK and there were over 253 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:40,520 almost 600 people who were hooked up to EEGs while being given CPR. 254 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:48,480 And one in five of them who flatlined and then came back, every single one of them, their 255 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:54,560 brain wave frequency surged so the data is consistent with what happened in Tartu, Estonia. 256 00:19:54,560 --> 00:20:06,680 But one in five of them returned with details of going into the light, the very classic 257 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,320 description of near death experiences. 258 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:16,200 So now how does my electromagnetic solv theory fit into this? 259 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:23,840 You see a light bulb has an aura because there's an energy field around it. 260 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:30,120 So think of an incandescent bulb that suddenly gets real bright and burns out. 261 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:31,280 We've all seen this. 262 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,560 It's the same thing with our brain. 263 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,800 Our brain did not create our consciousness. 264 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,040 It didn't create our electromagnetic soul. 265 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,040 It hosts it. 266 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:46,320 Similarly, the tungsten in the filament of a incandescent light bulb did not create the 267 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,760 electricity that flows through it. 268 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,480 It merely regulates it. 269 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:57,480 So when we're dying, our brain begins to degrade and it's no longer able to host the amount 270 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,640 of energy of the electromagnetic soul. 271 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,240 So it spikes. 272 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:09,800 That's why when somebody is actively dying, their brain waves, their electromagnetic souls 273 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,080 frequency expands. 274 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:20,600 People in close proximity to the dying person, family members and dear friends, hospice workers, 275 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,520 other healthcare workers, their brain wave frequencies and their electromagnetic souls 276 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,160 pick up on this. 277 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,960 And that's why people in close proximity to somebody dying, even though they're not an 278 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,520 imminent threat of dying, will experience a floating sensation. 279 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:42,160 They may actually see the spirits that are coming to greet the person in transition. 280 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,840 And they may actually see, as I have on a number of occasions, a surge of white light 281 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,160 coming out of the person's body before they die. 282 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:58,360 So this isn't some woohoo, airy-fairy, granola snorting theory. 283 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:05,240 This is based on neuroscience and quantum physics, plus on objective, the scientific 284 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:14,160 method of objectively analyzing people who are dying while administering an EEG to collect 285 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,200 and corroborate the data. 286 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,280 So we're at the threshold of very exciting times, Eric. 287 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,560 For centuries, people have talked about NDE's and you're crazy and blah, blah, blah. 288 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,280 And now we're starting to see that this is real. 289 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,280 Yeah. 290 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,080 I'm glad that there's finally some science behind it. 291 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:38,720 I know some of the people listening today are thinking, I want to believe this. 292 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,760 I don't know if I believe it. 293 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,240 How can they, what can they learn from that science? 294 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:50,160 Is there anything else that you want to explain about it to help them get off that fence? 295 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:55,680 Well, I'd say the first thing you need to do is get my book, The Afterlife Frequency. 296 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:02,320 And well, the thing is though that I spent years doing the research and I spent the better 297 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:09,360 part of five years writing it because I wanted to present the science of the afterlife in 298 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,280 a credible fashion. 299 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,360 But my books read like novels. 300 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:18,600 So don't be afraid that you're going to be stuck reading some algebra textbook. 301 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,400 That's not going to happen. 302 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:26,240 And I'm giving a very shortened description of the electromagnetic soul theory and the 303 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,200 frequency overlap theory. 304 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:36,960 But we are seeing this more and more and it's being reported more and more that when people 305 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,160 who are in close proximity to a dying person, they get caught up maybe in even in the person's 306 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,760 life review. 307 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,600 And the life reviews, the proverbial, my life flashed before my eyes. 308 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,040 And we've all heard that expression as part of our culture. 309 00:23:54,040 --> 00:24:03,160 But that's also part of what happens as the EMS, the electromagnetic soul, begins to separate 310 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,360 from the vessel that hosts it. 311 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:10,000 Think of your brain as a computer hard drive. 312 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:15,400 Your computer hard drive did not create Windows 10, Windows 11 or whatever operating system 313 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:20,040 you're using, nor did your computer create the data that's on it. 314 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,560 It merely hosts it. 315 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:28,760 And when it crashes, when the body dies, that information stays coherent, yet is uploaded 316 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,400 to a higher vibrational frequency. 317 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,440 You've also done some study on the history of near-death experiences. 318 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,920 Tell us a little bit about that. 319 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,360 There's so many wonderful stories. 320 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:45,880 I love when people say, well, that's against Scripture. 321 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,880 Is it? 322 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,720 No, I've seen one of your talks where you use a lot of Scripture. 323 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,400 So let's hear some of it. 324 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,400 Yeah, Jonah in the whale. 325 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,720 So Jonah is a prophet, and God tells him to go to Nineveh, which is in modern-day Iraq. 326 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,600 And he's like, I don't want to go to Iraq. 327 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:11,960 Apparently, it was problematic over 3,000 years ago because Jonah lived in the Old Testament 328 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,640 era, which would be the Bronze Age, roughly eight to nine centuries before the birth of 329 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,800 Christ. 330 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,800 So he hops on a ship that's headed for Spain. 331 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,640 I guess southern Spain was a vacation destination even in the Bronze Age. 332 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,720 Much better than Nineveh. 333 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,720 Much better than Nineveh. 334 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,480 Yeah, good beaches, the whole thing. 335 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:34,560 Exactly. 336 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:40,640 And so heavy seas hit, and the crew figures out that Jonah disobeyed the Word of God, 337 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,120 so they promptly threw him overboard. 338 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:47,880 And the Lord sends a great fish to swallow Jonah, and he's in the belly of the fish for 339 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:54,440 three days and three nights until it's vomited up, and Jonah survives. 340 00:25:54,440 --> 00:26:00,840 But the thing is, this, I believe, is a metaphor for a near-death experience. 341 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:07,600 So Jonah, or whoever the description is about, may have drowned or may have had some other 342 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:15,520 type of malady or problem where he was in an inert state for three days. 343 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,240 And if you read the actual passage, it talks about descending to the bottom of the mountain, 344 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,960 but then the Lord rises me up. 345 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:32,120 And after the experience, Jonah embraces his piety and continues on his spiritual mission, 346 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:35,800 also not an unusual after-effect of an NDE. 347 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,840 Many people become very spiritual. 348 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:45,200 Well, in support of our friends who take a literal interpretation of Scripture, even 349 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:53,520 though a whale's esophagus is only five inches in diameter, in June of 2022, Michael Packard, 350 00:26:53,520 --> 00:27:02,600 a lobster diver, was lobster diving off of Cape Cod, and suddenly he felt engulfed, and 351 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:03,600 he was in total darkness. 352 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,280 At first he thought a great white had hit him, but then he realized it wasn't because 353 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,800 he didn't feel any teeth. 354 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:15,040 A humpback whale had swallowed him, but it didn't take him into his stomach because 355 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,120 it couldn't fit. 356 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,320 So humpback whales don't eat people. 357 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,240 They eat krill in little tiny organisms. 358 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,360 So this whale's probably like, what is this? 359 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:28,520 And he said, but Packard said, I'm done, I'm dead. 360 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,520 That's what he thought. 361 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,680 And the next thing he knew, the whale spit him out. 362 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,600 And people saw this, this huge whale comes up and spits a person out. 363 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,240 You don't see that every day. 364 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,800 And he's taken to the hospital. 365 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:45,160 So in ancient times, if this happened to you, you ended up in Scripture. 366 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:51,280 But in the 21st century, you end up on the Jimmy Kimmel show, like Michael Packard did, 367 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,200 and being held as the modern day Jonah. 368 00:27:54,200 --> 00:28:00,280 So for our literalist friends, yes, you can get engulfed by a whale, maybe not for three 369 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,280 days. 370 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,280 But let me tell you. 371 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:08,240 Being inside of a whale's mouth for 30 seconds would feel like an awfully long time. 372 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:14,160 Now there's other passages in Scripture, which I describe in my books. 373 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,920 But one of my favorite is in the first book of Corinthians, where the apostle Paul. 374 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:25,320 So now we've moved from the Bronze Age into the Iron Age era of the New Testament, where 375 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:32,240 Paul talks about, I know a man in Christ who ascended to the third heaven. 376 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,560 Somebody came back. 377 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,480 And I'm paraphrasing here. 378 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,440 Throughout Scripture, there are three levels of heaven in the Judeo-Christian religious 379 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,960 philosophy. 380 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,280 In Genesis, the first level is the sky. 381 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,080 Then there is the second level, which is the stars. 382 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,960 And then in Corinthians, the third level is the realm of God. 383 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,680 So essentially, there's different frequencies to the heavens. 384 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:06,560 And many people think that Paul was describing his own near-death experience. 385 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:12,440 We know from Christian tradition that Paul's name originally was Saul of Tarsus. 386 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,280 And he actually was a Roman citizen. 387 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,680 He was a Hebrew who was a Roman citizen, but he worked with the Romans in hunting down 388 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,800 and persecuting Christians. 389 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:27,200 So he's on his way to Damascus and gets hit by this bright white light and lays there for 390 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,640 three days as if he's dead and then comes out of it. 391 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,360 Paul completely changed. 392 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:44,400 So I believe that Paul was, and I'm not alone in this, many theologians agree that Paul was 393 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,680 writing in the book of Corinthians, the first book of Corinthians, about his own end. 394 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,240 But let's fast forward to the Victorian era. 395 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,720 Very Christmas, how many times do we see a different version of Charles Dickens, a Christmas 396 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,200 Carol? 397 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:07,480 And we all know, you know, Ebenezer Scrooge, he's miserable, nasty, and he's mean to Bob 398 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,880 Cratchit, who's got little tiny Tim, and he doesn't want to give money to charity. 399 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,120 And he's just a rotten guy. 400 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:20,800 He's the very epitome of ego, edging God out of materialism, of self-centered behaviors. 401 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,920 And so it's Christmas Eve and he goes home and he encounters the spirit of his former 402 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,520 partner, Jacob Marley, who's covered in all these chains and the chains have money boxes 403 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,520 on them. 404 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,040 And Jacob Marley is like, you know, don't end up like me. 405 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,760 Well, then of course, we all know the story that throughout the night, three different 406 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:46,120 spirits, the ghosts of Christmas past, present, and future, come to visit Ebenezer Scrooge. 407 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:52,000 The ghost of Christmas past shows Ebenezer what he was like when he was a young man. 408 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,080 He was a nice guy. 409 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,680 But then materialism started taking hold. 410 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:06,400 The ghost of Christmas present shows him now he is a completely narcissistic, self-centered, 411 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,600 very selfish person, uncaring, unthinking. 412 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:18,200 So this could be construed as the life review, both the ghost of Christmas past and the ghost 413 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,120 of Christmas present. 414 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:27,320 But then the ghost of Christmas future shows him what happens when he dies and how people 415 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,200 laugh at him there. 416 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,840 They're making fun of him over his body and how when he's buried, it may have well have 417 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,320 been that he'd never even existed. 418 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:44,120 And this could be interpreted as what's known as a DNDE, a distressing near death experience, 419 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,800 also nicknamed a hellish NDE. 420 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,840 And we can get into that more after this. 421 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,080 Yeah, we've had a handful of those on this show too. 422 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,080 Sure. 423 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,880 That ended up having happy endings. 424 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,880 Yeah. 425 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,440 And so did Scrooge when he came out of all this. 426 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,800 He's like, oh my God, I've been a really horrible person. 427 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:11,200 He gives Bob Cratcheter raised, Tiny Tim doesn't die, and then he reunites with his nephew 428 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,680 and his family. 429 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,200 Charles Dickens, when he began to examine not just the writer, but the man, this guy 430 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,160 had a very exciting life. 431 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:28,360 He was in several accidents, almost died many times, even walked away from a train wreck 432 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,720 at one point in his life. 433 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:38,720 And myself and Dr. Bruce Grayson, and there's a couple other NDE researchers, we examined 434 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:48,040 this and it appears that the idea of the Christmas Carol, the inspiration for it, very well may 435 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,720 have been Charles Dickens' own near death experiences. 436 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,320 And what's so fascinating about this, Eric, is they didn't even have a term for it then. 437 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:07,680 And we're talking the 1830s, 1840s when he wrote this, but this phenomenon had been reported 438 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,160 and was known for centuries. 439 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:17,200 I mean, since biblical times, I mean, even the ancient Greeks, Plato in his book, Republic, 440 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,960 writes about this warrior, his name was Ur, and Ur goes into battle, he's killed, and 441 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,480 then the Greeks put him on a funeral pyre, and they're about to torque up the funeral 442 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,640 pyre, he comes back to life. 443 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:34,400 NDE researchers, myself included, believe that Plato was writing about his own NDE, 444 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,920 and here is what's really notable about this. 445 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,720 Ur talks about going through a tunnel into a light. 446 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,720 Ur talks about meeting deceased relatives. 447 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:52,280 Ur talks about a sense of being connected to everyone and everything. 448 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:58,720 Ur talks about a series of lifetimes, but we must drink from the well of forgetfulness 449 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,440 between lifetimes. 450 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,440 Wait a second. 451 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:07,040 The ancient Greeks did not believe in reincarnation, and he just described reincarnation. 452 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,440 Nor did they believe in going through a tunnel into the light. 453 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,320 They didn't believe the interconnectedness. 454 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,840 They had Hades, and if you were good, you went to the Elysium Fields and got to go be 455 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:24,320 a warrior, if you were lousy, you went to Tartarus and were subjected to all these punishments. 456 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:32,000 What Plato wrote about transcended philosophically anything in the ancient Greek and eventually 457 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,760 Roman religions. 458 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:42,160 We can see from ancient times up to today, NDE's have not only been part of our culture, 459 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,080 they have actually influenced it, including our literature. 460 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,040 Yeah, that's fascinating. 461 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:56,760 As I talk to people about their NDE's, for most people, it seems to be very therapeutic. 462 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,160 If they haven't talked to anybody about it before, there's a point where they've held 463 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,600 it in long enough because they were told they were crazy or something, that they finally 464 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,080 have to let it out and talk about it. 465 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,080 In Charles Dickens' time, he may have tried to tell somebody about it, been told he was 466 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,080 crazy. 467 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,000 So this was his therapeutic way of dealing with it. 468 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000 Exactly. 469 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,680 I mean, let's face it, he was a literary genius. 470 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,000 Yeah, so he wrote about it. 471 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,320 He wrote about it because it was fantasy, yet it put it this way. 472 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:38,240 If it wasn't a good book, how come almost 200 years later, we're still making different 473 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:44,520 versions of it, plays, movies, because there's a very important lesson in it. 474 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:52,600 And the lessons that one can glean from a Christmas carol are also the positive after-effects 475 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,560 one can walk away from an NDE with. 476 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,960 You've been jumping all over in history here, okay? 477 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,920 I mean, all over the place, and that's okay. 478 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,760 Welcome to my brain. 479 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:14,920 I want to go back for a second to the New Testament time because you brought up Paul. 480 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,560 And I apologize if you don't have an answer for this. 481 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,600 This is more off the wall here. 482 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:27,320 But have you thought about or done some theorizing on the amount of transfiguration where the 483 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:34,640 story of Jesus taking three of his apostles with him, go into that if you can? 484 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,840 Oh, quite a bit. 485 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,240 In fact, my presentation this last year at IAMS, International Association for Near 486 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:47,400 Death Studies, I did go in depth into the transfiguration. 487 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,880 Transfiguration is one of the most studied passages in the Bible, and not just by Christian 488 00:36:53,880 --> 00:37:01,520 scholars, but also by Hindu and Buddhist and Jain scholars, and not to mention near-death 489 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,880 experience research scholars. 490 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,400 So Jesus takes a select group of disciples to the top of a mountain. 491 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:17,920 He begins to glow white and mist forms around him that also glows white, and the spirits 492 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,200 of the prophet Elijah and Moses appear on either side of him. 493 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:33,400 From a theological standpoint, this is significant because Moses was the giver of the law. 494 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:42,000 Elijah was the executor of the law, and Jesus was the fulfillment of the law. 495 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,200 And that's how it's looked at the laws of God in Scripture. 496 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,240 Also when you study what's known as physical mediumship, and I'm yet to be persuaded by 497 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:58,160 any of the ones I've seen for other reasons, the mist, the glowing whites, some people 498 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,920 could call this ectoplasm, and I don't want to get off into that, but also the United 499 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:09,400 States Air Force has recorded ectoplasm when high-speed jets immediately break the sound 500 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,400 barrier. 501 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,760 A white, glistening material forms around the jets, which the United States Air Force 502 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,880 has described as appearing like ectoplasm. 503 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:32,440 So Jesus does this, and then the light recedes, and he appears once again as a mortal, or 504 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,800 no, Jesus. 505 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,320 And there's a discussion afterwards. 506 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,520 Jesus says, don't tell anyone that you saw this until after I've ascended. 507 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,040 And there's the, well, who are you? 508 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:48,560 Some say that you are the prophet Elijah, some say that you are John the Baptist, and 509 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,680 I'm paraphrasing here. 510 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:59,120 And Jesus says to them, Elijah, now we must keep in mind, John the Baptist was Jesus's 511 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:08,080 first cousin, and John came before Jesus to herald the coming of Jesus, and John met his 512 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,840 demise at the court of Herod Antipas. 513 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,560 And Herod Antipas was one of the miserable sons of the miserable Herod the Great, and 514 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,080 there was Salome, and he, you know, Herod wanted her and said, I'll give you anything 515 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,480 if you dance for me. 516 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,720 And so she dances and says, I want the head of John the Baptist, and anyway. 517 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:29,720 So John the Baptist has been executed. 518 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:32,960 I think it's important for people may not be familiar with that. 519 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,640 So the disciples say, some say that you are John the Baptist returned, others say that 520 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,520 you are the prophet Elijah. 521 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:46,880 And Jesus says to them, Elijah has returned, but they did not recognize him. 522 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,640 And the scripture says they knew then that he was speaking of John the Baptist. 523 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:58,480 And Elijah lived 800 years earlier than Jesus and his cousin John. 524 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:05,040 So if Elijah has returned, but they did recognize him for he appeared in the form of John the 525 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:12,120 Baptist, this is where progressive Christian scholars, NDE scholars, Hindus and Buddhist 526 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:19,840 scholars believe that this may actually be a reference to reincarnation. 527 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:25,000 And I look and I've said this in interviews and you know, there's the the literalist crowd 528 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,760 that that takes issue with this. 529 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:35,160 But when you study Christian theology in the early centuries of Christianity, it was the 530 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:43,600 third, excuse me, the fourth century in Alexandria, Egypt, the great Christian theologian origin. 531 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:51,080 He wrote that we must all go through a succession of lifetimes and even Satan will eventually 532 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,960 ascend into the higher light with God. 533 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:07,080 So in some secs, SCCTS, sects of Christianity in the early centuries, it is believed that 534 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:12,160 reincarnation was a Christian concept. 535 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:21,480 But in the year was around the year 527 to 530 AD, in what is now Istanbul and Constantinople, 536 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:28,200 which was the capital of the Roman Empire at this time, the emperor Justinian convened 537 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,560 the Fifth Ecumenical Council. 538 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:38,160 And during the Fifth Ecumenical Council, reincarnation was banned as heresy. 539 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:45,760 And it's believed that other passages throughout scripture, which may have referenced reincarnation, 540 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:52,160 were edited out, but they either missed the transfiguration or they left it in for some 541 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,240 purpose were not entirely clear of yet. 542 00:41:55,240 --> 00:42:01,560 So I just wanted to present this because you're asking about this in scripture. 543 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:10,200 There are some people, and this may really cause some reaction from people, that it based 544 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,840 in I was raised Catholic, I was supposed to be a Catholic priest. 545 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,480 So I want that to go on record because when I was a kid, I wanted to be a priest. 546 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:25,760 There is some discussion that when Jesus was removed from the cross, that he may not have 547 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:34,080 been dead, or if he did die, he had an NDE and came back. 548 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:42,440 Now I know that that is an affront to the concept of resurrection, or is it? 549 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,680 Think about it. 550 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:51,640 He went into paradise, descended to the depths of negativity, ascended into the light, and 551 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,800 then returned. 552 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,560 I am not saying that I believe this. 553 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,960 I am not saying that I am promoting this. 554 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:08,480 I'm just saying that there are people who don't necessarily believe the traditional 555 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:14,720 view of the resurrection, but offer this as a possibility. 556 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaking of the Bible and NDE's, what about the story of Lazarus? 557 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:26,240 Lazarus is fascinating because Lazarus was a good friend of Jesus who died, and then 558 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:35,360 Jesus weeps when he hears of his friend's death, but then summons all the energy, the 559 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:42,920 God energy, and says, Lazarus, come forth, and the body of Lazarus reanimates and returns 560 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,120 from the dead. 561 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:55,920 So in literalist Christian theology, Jesus as the human form of God is able to rise Lazarus 562 00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:01,920 from the dead, people that believe that maybe Jesus was some type of highly advanced energy 563 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:09,600 healer, or this could perhaps have been yet another example of a near-death experience. 564 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:16,160 So Scripture is really fascinating when you begin to look at it in different ways. 565 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,000 And please understand, Eric, and for the audience. 566 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,760 I'm not here to attack anyone's beliefs. 567 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:30,840 I am not here to insult or offend anyone, but as scholars and as researchers, when we 568 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:41,920 come across these passages and based in light of the developments that we have discovered 569 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:48,560 in the last 50 years of NDE research, it does tend to get us to look at these a bit differently. 570 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,640 Okay, let's lighten it up just a little bit now. 571 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,480 Yeah, that's kind of how you think. 572 00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,600 How did Mark Anthony get from being a wannabe Catholic priest to the psychic lawyer? 573 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,600 It's not unusual for mediums to be drawn to the spiritual. 574 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,600 And I grew up with a mom and dad that could see spirits. 575 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,320 You know, it's about three and a half years old, and I start seeing spirits and mom's 576 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,320 like, oh, he's got it. 577 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,400 And dad's like, oh, geez, he's got it. 578 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,240 You know, because my dad knew this would be a difficult life. 579 00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:26,440 His own sister, who was a very gifted medium, was horribly persecuted for it. 580 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:33,880 And when I was a teenager, I started thinking, well, I don't know if I really want to do 581 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:40,120 the whole priesthood thing, the celibacy thing, but just being honest to you. 582 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,040 But I wanted to work in a capacity to serve. 583 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,640 And I found law very appealing. 584 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:53,080 I liked the aspect of the research and being able to speak and advocate for people. 585 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,400 And so I kind of, you know, because I thought that the priesthood would have too many rules 586 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,520 and regulations. 587 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,600 So I jumped out of that fire right into the frying pan, you know, frying pan right into 588 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,680 the fire, and I went into law. 589 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,920 And so what had happened, Eric, is I was very close to my parents. 590 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,560 I had a great relationship with them. 591 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,360 And I was in my law office as a senior partner of a firm. 592 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,000 And one day I was thinking about spaghetti. 593 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,000 Makes sense. 594 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,640 Now being of Italian descent, thinking of spaghetti is not an unusual thing. 595 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,920 Yeah, it may have been lunchtime. 596 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,640 It was lunchtime and the phone rang. 597 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,600 My secretary put it through and it was my mom. 598 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,720 She said, honey, I made spaghetti for lunch. 599 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:33,920 Why don't you come over? 600 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,000 Hey, my folks lived about five miles away with the heck, you know, I didn't have that 601 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,880 much on the books that day. 602 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,480 I had the most awesome time with my mom and dad. 603 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,480 And mom looked tired. 604 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,280 And so before I left, she hugged me and kissed me. 605 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,960 And I'll never forget, my mom looked and looked me in the eye and said, Mark, I love 606 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:54,960 you so much. 607 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,600 I'm so glad you've been my son. 608 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,320 And I said, I love you too, mom. 609 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,320 And that just seemed strange. 610 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,480 I remember when I left, I mean, the sound of the door when it closed there, the door 611 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,960 of the house had this, you know, and I just had this ominous. 612 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,400 I mean, it was nice. 613 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:20,120 So the next morning I'm in court and the judge's assistant came and said, Mark, we need you 614 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,160 in chambers right now. 615 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,160 And I knew this wasn't good. 616 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:29,000 And when they handed me the phone, my secretary was on the phone in tears and she said, your 617 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,080 dad called, your mom died. 618 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,840 And she had passed in her sleep very peacefully. 619 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:42,200 Well, I spiraled into this horrible depression, understandably so. 620 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,440 I mean, I lost my mom. 621 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:50,720 And I was driving back from court a couple of weeks later. 622 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,120 And one of those waves of grief hit me. 623 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:58,240 And everybody that's listening to this, you know, you know what I'm talking about. 624 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,480 When you lose somebody, you know, there's times you handle it better than others. 625 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,040 Well, I wasn't handling it very well. 626 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,080 And I thought, let me pull over, I shouldn't be driving. 627 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,200 And I pulled over in this convenience store parking lot and I'm sitting there alone in 628 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,400 my car or so I thought. 629 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,640 And this flash of light goes off in the car. 630 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:23,320 And I instinctively turned to the passenger side and I see my mother's silhouette in this 631 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,800 beautiful silver white light. 632 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,040 And before I can even begin to process that, her voice fills my head. 633 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,680 And she says, Mark, you've been given the gift of mediumship so that you would not be 634 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,360 crushed by grief. 635 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,440 But now you must help those who are suffering with theirs. 636 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,400 Well, Eric, I'm like now I'm breaking out into a sweat. 637 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,200 And before I could recover from that, the second part of her message came through. 638 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,920 She said, Mark, it is your life's mission to help people understand that God exists, that 639 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:02,120 the afterlife, heaven, whatever you want to call it exists, that your souls are mortal 640 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:09,760 living beings, that humans can communicate with souls, and that we will all be reunited 641 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:17,080 when it is your time to leave the material world in the light that you call God. 642 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,680 So I am soaking wet with sweat. 643 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:27,520 I sink back into my seat and all I can say is, OK. 644 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,880 And Eric, I'm thinking, I can't tell anybody this. 645 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,400 I'm the senior partner of a law firm. 646 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,280 They're going to think I'm insane. 647 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,720 I mean, everybody always thought I was a little bit weird anyway because I seemed to know 648 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:43,320 things about people, particularly during jury selection. 649 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,320 So then people knew about my family and all that. 650 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,640 But now this was different. 651 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,960 And I've heard the term spiritually transformative experience. 652 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,800 And normally you think of sitting on a mountaintop in Maui meditating and, oh, I had to do it. 653 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,560 No, mine was the proverbial fire hose right to the face. 654 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,440 And hey, my family is Italian. 655 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,280 What else could it be? 656 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,320 But I'm making a joke there. 657 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,360 But I also realized that we all have a life mission. 658 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:15,440 Every life matters. 659 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,560 Every life counts. 660 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:22,960 And that everything happens, I believe, synchronistically. 661 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:28,760 And it was time for things to change. 662 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,600 Within days, I started working on my first book, Never Letting Go. 663 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:39,080 Then I got offered a job in a government agency supervising court operations. 664 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,840 OK, so now I'm transitioning out of running a law firm, which is a real hassle. 665 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:48,520 That is a seven day a week, 16 hour a day job. 666 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,440 Then my book, Never Letting Go comes out. 667 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,160 And I brought on my manager, Rocky, which you probably met her at IONS. 668 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,320 And she arranged for my first speaking tour, which took me to New York City. 669 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,000 She got me on a show on MSNBC, which was awesome. 670 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,240 And it was right before Christmas. 671 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,480 So we did the whole Rockefeller Center thing. 672 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,800 And then a couple of days later, she arranged for me to speak at Harvard University in Boston. 673 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,720 So here we are, we're walking around Boston with our cups of coffee. 674 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,320 It's all decorated for Christmas. 675 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,080 And we're at Harvard campus and my cell phone rings. 676 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,760 And it's my boss, the elected official. 677 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:31,640 And he's of a particular party that isn't real tolerant of people like me. 678 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,120 And he said, I'm catching too much political flak for having a psychic on staff. 679 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,800 And I said, well, the last time I checked, this was the United States of America. 680 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,320 And I do have a First Amendment right of my beliefs. 681 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,240 I'm not speaking about them at work. 682 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,600 He said, and you're taking too much time off from work. 683 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,760 I said, well, I'm also taking my vacation time. 684 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,440 And I could hear the stress in his voice. 685 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,800 And I said, here, let me make this simple for you. 686 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,200 Please consider this my resignation. 687 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,880 He said, okay, that works. 688 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:09,680 And I hung up and then I go, oh my God, Rocky, I just quit the practice of law. 689 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,640 And she said, Mark, take a look around. 690 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,640 Where are you? 691 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,640 I said, Harvard. 692 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,000 She said, what are you doing in an hour? 693 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,920 Giving a talk on the afterlife and near-death experiences and signing copies of my new book. 694 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:30,400 And she said, don't you think you're exactly where you're supposed to be right now? 695 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,040 Very wise. 696 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,160 Let me ask you this. 697 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,280 This is not a show about mediums, but I know people are curious. 698 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:47,680 Anyway, I spoke with someone recently who said they were in their church and their church 699 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,160 had brought in a medium. 700 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,960 And they were using it as a fundraiser and some other things. 701 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,840 He said, I was sitting on the front row and the medium came up to me and looked me in 702 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:07,040 the eyes and said, declared that your father from the other side is here. 703 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,560 And he has this message for you and got all dramatic. 704 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,400 And I'm going to translate this message now to you. 705 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,520 And this man says, stop right there. 706 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,840 This is my father sitting right next to me. 707 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,280 He is alive. 708 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,280 And then they got up and left. 709 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:31,680 So the question is, are there some mediums or psychics or whatever term we're using 710 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,040 that we can believe? 711 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,920 And are there some that we cannot? 712 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,920 And how do we know the difference? 713 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,680 Absolutely. 714 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:46,040 First off, when I do public sessions, I'll say there's a spirit coming forward. 715 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:51,000 And first I get their gender, then I get an idea of the connection they may have to whoever 716 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,960 the recipient is. 717 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,200 And I begin to describe that person. 718 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,240 I may see what they look like. 719 00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:03,720 I normally will pick up on how they passed and I'll start giving details. 720 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:07,920 And then I say, does this make sense to anybody and there may be more than one person? 721 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,440 And then I say, OK, now, and then the spirit will continue giving me information until 722 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:18,800 we get to the spirit is somebody that does things like that. 723 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:25,240 They're either charlatans or they're just not very experienced. 724 00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:28,160 And there's a huge quantitative difference. 725 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,240 I think that if people are going to engage the services of a medium, check his or her 726 00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,920 website, read their credentials. 727 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,560 My website is afterlifefrequency.com, just like my book. 728 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,120 And you can look at my videos. 729 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:49,560 I've been tested in laboratories at the University of Arizona in LA in the United Kingdom. 730 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,080 I've done over 15,000 readings. 731 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,080 I'm an evidential medium. 732 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,920 Being a lawyer, once again, everything in my life led to a reason. 733 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:03,840 I had to have this basis and evidence and science and be credible because I see people 734 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,840 all the time. 735 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,520 Oh, your grandmother's here and she loves you. 736 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,520 Well, that's great. 737 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,640 But most people's grandmothers love them. 738 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,000 Oh, and I bet she baked cookies too. 739 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,000 All right. 740 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,880 So you got to start giving you big hugs and big hugs. 741 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,240 Well, here's the difference. 742 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:24,480 I was doing a reading for this woman recently and her mother's spirit came through and I 743 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,720 said, she's talking about a young man in this world who's very close to you and there's 744 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,080 something going on with his eyes. 745 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,000 And he looks like he's maybe around seven. 746 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,600 She goes, well, I have a seven-year-old nephew. 747 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,200 She goes, I don't have any children. 748 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,640 I'm very close to my nephew. 749 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:42,640 That's my sister's son. 750 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,600 I said, well, there's something going on with his eyes and eyesight. 751 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,440 She said, that's weird because my sister said he was complaining about blurred vision. 752 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:57,000 I said, the next part of the message is you got to get him to an eye doctor and your mom's 753 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,440 now giving me the song, Tutti Frutti, Oh, Rudy by Little Richard. 754 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,360 She goes, well, that doesn't make any sense at all. 755 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,520 I said, that's fine. 756 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,840 But that's what I'm getting. 757 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:14,560 You have to realize we're not on spirits or not on our schedule. 758 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,880 So a month later, this woman contacted me. 759 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,080 She said, Mark, I called my sister, told her about this, and she said, let's definitely 760 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,720 take my son to the eye doctor. 761 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,120 We got an appointment and I went with them. 762 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:32,280 And the second we walked into the doctor's office on the radio started playing Tutti 763 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,720 Frutti, Oh, Rudy by Little Richard. 764 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:40,440 Now I think we're way past a billion to one on the odds there. 765 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,240 How did this happen? 766 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:47,240 First off, spirits, the electromagnetic soul came forward. 767 00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:54,040 This is the spirit's grandson, her daughter's son, her other daughter's nephew. 768 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,040 So there's the love connection, love is energy. 769 00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,600 She spirits can scan us. 770 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,560 So they scan the little boy, they pick up on energetic anomalies. 771 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,840 He has an issue with his eyes. 772 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:10,600 Also on the quantum level, and I can explain it if you want, but on the electromagnetic 773 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,560 subatomic level, time as we know it doesn't exist. 774 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:20,920 So the spirit was acting out of intervention and guidance. 775 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:29,560 Please take my grandson to the eye doctor and to verify that you're doing the right thing. 776 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:35,760 This spirit could see what you and I call the future, pick up on the electromagnetic 777 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:41,760 wave, which is radio waves, and verify that by the second you got there, Tutti Frutti, 778 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,760 we are Rudy by little Richard is playing. 779 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,520 This is not a coincidence. 780 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,040 This is not hocus pocus or magic. 781 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,200 This is quantum physics. 782 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:56,040 And when you look at Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, you can take a lifetime to 783 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,360 understand that. 784 00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,680 We know that everything's made of molecules, which in turn are made of electrons, protons, 785 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,640 atoms, which are made of electrons, protons, and neutrons, and they in turn are on the 786 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:14,160 subatomic level made of quanta, which is electromagnetic energy. 787 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:19,200 And quantum physicists, since the time of Albert Einstein, Max Planck, all the way up 788 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:26,880 to Stephen Hawking, Max Tegmar theorize that what you and I consider to be time doesn't 789 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:33,680 exist, which is why spirits can oftentimes and do bring up future events. 790 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,520 And that's what happened here. 791 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:43,520 So when you deal with a medium who presents evidence, you may not always understand everything 792 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,320 that comes through immediately. 793 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,160 A lot of it you will, but not everything you do. 794 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,200 And therein lies the difference. 795 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:57,640 Is a credible medium is going to be based in evidence and not jump to conclusions. 796 00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,320 Speaking of quantum physics, you mentioned something. 797 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,000 This is going to be my last question today. 798 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,760 You mentioned just a second ago, love is energy. 799 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,720 Please explain that. 800 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,840 Well, think about your relationships with the people you love. 801 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:19,240 They can be exhausting, particularly if you have teenagers. 802 00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,040 But love is energy. 803 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,800 And the thing about love, you may not be able to quantify it. 804 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,640 You can't put it under a microscope. 805 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:34,520 But love is the energy that makes life worth living. 806 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:42,600 And so many of us who've had near-death experiences describe God as love, this pure, absolute love. 807 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:49,560 Now, as a former criminal defense attorney, I can assure you that very many people confuse 808 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,360 lust with love. 809 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,680 All right, lust is, you know, we're dealing with our lower red chakra. 810 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,880 And it's like, oh, I got to have this particular person. 811 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,400 And of course, in the initial phases of attraction, there's always something of that. 812 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:11,280 But true love is an energetic bond that you realize that you're interlinked. 813 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:20,640 That's why, like when my mother's father died, at that precise moment, she woke up and there 814 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:30,800 he was, standing, or his spirit standing in her bedroom, 1200 miles from where he died. 815 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,120 That's love. 816 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,120 That's energy. 817 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,800 And you may not be able to see it, but you can feel it. 818 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:43,840 Think about in the electromagnetic spectrum, what we can see is visible light. 819 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:52,160 We can't see x-rays, gamma rays, radio waves, microwaves, cosmic waves. 820 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:58,680 I mean, there's so much that, in other words, if you held up a yardstick and said, this 821 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:08,360 is the electromagnetic spectrum, then go to one tiny line and that is visible light. 822 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,000 And that's all that we can see in that spectrum. 823 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,320 The rest of it, we can't. 824 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:19,240 And let's face it, just because we can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there. 825 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:25,000 And I like to, when I use the term electromagnetic sol, my friend and colleague, Dr. Gary Schwartz, 826 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:33,400 said that, Mark, let me add to the electromagnetic sol and say that sol stands for source of 827 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,760 universal love. 828 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:42,760 That's beautiful. 829 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,760 Thanks again for listening to Roundtrip Death. 830 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:49,560 Hey, when you have a minute, I hope you'll click on over to roundtripteath.com. 831 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:55,360 There you can leave us a comment, make a donation, or sign up for our newsletter. 832 01:01:55,360 --> 01:02:13,480 Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the next.