1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,880 One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die? 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,520 Is death the end or a new beginning? 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,880 Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast. 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,480 In this show, we listen to first-hand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:26,360 return to talk about it. 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:32,360 This morning, we have on the line with us June Ahern from beautiful Pacifica, California. 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,360 Good morning, June. 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,360 Good morning. 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,360 How is it out there near the ocean? 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:43,120 Well, it's very fogged in. 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,200 Not dripping fog, which we get a lot of, but it's very fogged in in gray. 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,440 I don't mind. 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,280 I like it. 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,960 The humidity from that is wonderful. 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,720 Anyway, before we talk about your near-death experience, would you just tell us a little 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,200 bit about yourself? 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,200 Yes. 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Well, let's see. 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,120 To begin with, I'm a curious person. 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:11,600 I like to educate myself from different sources, but I like to take action and experience whenever 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:12,960 I can for myself. 22 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:16,760 So I would say, if you want to know about me, I'm a curious person. 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,760 I'm interested in people. 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,080 I love animals. 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,160 I've had animals, dogs, cats, fish, a horse. 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,680 My life dream came true. 27 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,680 She's passed on. 28 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,280 I feel like I'm an ordinary person. 29 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,520 I'm a wife, a mother, a grandmother, a good friend, a sister. 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,520 I have many sisters. 31 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,200 I have a couple of brothers. 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:45,200 I like people, and I like to know what are people thinking and what have they experienced. 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,960 I think that that kind of sums me up. 34 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:54,000 I'm creative, I draw, I write books, I write, I journal. 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,160 I think that about sums me up. 36 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,760 That's awesome. 37 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:04,880 So your experience happened way back in the 1970s, and back then, people didn't talk about 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,440 this because if you did, they thought you were crazy. 39 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:15,280 So now that you've been able to open up about it, and I'm very happy for you about that, 40 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:21,440 tell us how it has changed your thought process on the whole thing. 41 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,880 I grew up in a religious household. 42 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,800 So we had a tendency toward believing there's a life afterwards. 43 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:34,120 But that image was more of if you were a good person, you got to have a good life. 44 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,520 If you weren't so good, well, you had to go to purgatory for a while. 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,360 And if you're really bad, you went to hell. 46 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,560 So I had mixed feelings about what would happen after death. 47 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,520 I mean, after all, if I wasn't good enough, I may never get to heaven. 48 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,320 Then I had a near death accident, automobile accident. 49 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,560 I went through the windshield and I came back in. 50 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,160 And when I came back in, I brought the windshield back into my face. 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,400 So most of my face was, the skin in my face was torn off. 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:11,800 And I remember sitting, talking to the police officer that came in the car. 53 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,520 And I don't remember getting into the ambulance. 54 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,640 One of the most profound parts of me while I was waiting in the car after the accident 55 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:25,280 next to the person driving who was like making all kinds of noise and it was annoying the 56 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:31,840 heck out of me, there was a woman that was standing outside the car. 57 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,160 And she just kept looking. 58 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,600 I always tear up when I say this because this is how deeply and mostly it affected upon 59 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,600 it. 60 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:41,680 It had upon me. 61 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,520 And she was dressed all in white. 62 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,360 She looked glorious and very comforting. 63 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,000 And she said to me, it'll be okay. 64 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,840 You see how it still affects me. 65 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,520 When later I learned that there was a young couple that saw the accident, we ran into 66 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,960 a utility pole. 67 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,320 The car went right into it full force. 68 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,840 I didn't know that my partner had knotted out, fallen asleep, passed out. 69 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,880 And this is before seat belts, right? 70 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Nobody wore seat belts. 71 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:14,880 What were those? 72 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,880 And no airbags. 73 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,520 Oh, no, no. 74 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,040 You just drove by the grace of God, go you. 75 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,640 And later I learned that there was no woman there. 76 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:27,960 They said there was a couple. 77 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:33,200 They called it in, but they had to go to a phone booth so they weren't there. 78 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,040 Who was this woman? 79 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:45,160 So that said, in the hospital, during my operation, I had to have surgery immediately. 80 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:52,960 And in between that, I saw myself in front of a garden, very nice green lush garden. 81 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,480 And there was an ornate white fence in front of me. 82 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:57,480 Beautiful fence. 83 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,920 I really like about chest high, not real high. 84 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:04,280 On the other side, there were all these wonderful people that remind me of Ricky Nelson's song, 85 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:06,200 It's a Garden Party. 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,840 People were having fun. 87 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:09,880 They were talking quietly. 88 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,000 They were laughing. 89 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,680 And these were some relatives that I only recognized from photographs because when we left, we 90 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,360 emigrated from Scotland to the United States. 91 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:22,360 I was a girl. 92 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,320 I was only six. 93 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:30,200 And then my maternal grandparents came up to the fence, not very close. 94 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,440 And I wanted to go in. 95 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,920 I wanted to join the party. 96 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:39,600 I was like, oh boy, the beautiful bliss of all my years of meditating. 97 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,520 I have never achieved that place of bliss. 98 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:47,960 I've achieved serenity and peacefulness, but not that bliss. 99 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,760 And everything was in a beautiful light. 100 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,680 And they said, hello, June, not now. 101 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:56,680 Go back. 102 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:57,680 Bye. 103 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,360 And they were waving at me. 104 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:05,760 And I'm so disappointed that I can't go into this beautiful garden party. 105 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:12,400 And then I recall being in the hospital bed shaking and I could hear the nurses running 106 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,400 around. 107 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,800 You know, she's in shock. 108 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:15,800 She's in shock. 109 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:16,800 Gets a little blank. 110 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,240 I didn't know how to tell anybody for years about this experience. 111 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:22,520 I had no words. 112 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,880 And, you know, as you said, if you said it, people would definitely label you as crazy. 113 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,040 Like, oh, she knocked her head. 114 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,880 She lost some of her screws. 115 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,880 Yeah, that's unfortunately the case that we hear from people back then. 116 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:37,880 Well, that was a lot. 117 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,360 And you went through it kind of fast. 118 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,760 You mind if we dig just a little bit deeper here? 119 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,160 Was there a time where you felt like you left your body? 120 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,440 You know, some people see a tunnel or a light. 121 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,560 But go kind of from start to finish here if there's more detail. 122 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,560 I did not recall. 123 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,120 No, I did not experience leaving my body. 124 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:01,000 I know I did die in the ambulance because they told me, you know, but I did not expect 125 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,680 see a light at the end of the tunnel. 126 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,680 I didn't. 127 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,600 My life didn't flash in front of me. 128 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,360 No, I don't recall that. 129 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,760 Hoover in above and watching. 130 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,120 I was just there. 131 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:17,400 I was I was in that moment and in that place. 132 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,720 That's where I was. 133 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:20,720 Yeah. 134 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:21,880 Tell us more about the garden. 135 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,600 Do you remember what it looked like? 136 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,760 Oh, the garden was beautiful. 137 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,200 It was lush green. 138 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,480 Just that emerald green, I guess you would say. 139 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,880 And there were picnic blankets spread around. 140 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,040 People were laughing with each other and talking. 141 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:47,480 And I don't recall exactly, but I have a thought that there were picnic things like beverages 142 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,440 and such like that that I can't really say if that was true or not. 143 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:58,120 I just know that it appeared to me to be like a picnic in a beautiful setting. 144 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,040 I did not see flowers. 145 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:07,800 I only saw the greenness, the beautiful greenness and the light that was around it, a beautiful, 146 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,960 soft, glowing light. 147 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,480 Not like the light I saw around the woman that was standing outside of the car when 148 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,440 I had the accident. 149 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:22,960 That sort of soft, brilliant white is what I would like to say. 150 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:29,560 Did you feel like the fence was to keep you on your side and not go in there? 151 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,880 I did not feel that at the time. 152 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:39,920 I just felt like I arrived someplace that something was happening beyond my participation. 153 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,240 And that's why I wanted to go in. 154 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,000 I wanted to participate with these happy people. 155 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,240 I wanted to go cross over, I guess. 156 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,200 Now that you're asking me that, that's a very good question. 157 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,240 I felt like I could go through the fence. 158 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,920 I felt like if I really wanted to, I really wanted to go through the fence. 159 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:04,040 Unfortunately, I was told, no, not now. 160 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Not now. 161 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,000 Like maybe you can come later, but you can't come now. 162 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 And that's what they said, oh, gee, not now. 163 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,400 Not now. 164 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,280 Go back. 165 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:20,840 So amazingly how my life began to change slowly after that. 166 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:26,320 I mean, there was a lot of healing that went on physically, emotionally for me from that 167 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,480 accident that took quite a few years. 168 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:38,520 Just the beautiful light, the sharpness of colors, the sharpness of sentiments, the emotional 169 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:47,280 sense of, as I said, the greatest sense of joy and peace to be there. 170 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:53,880 It was not like, oh, when you die, you either go to heaven, go to purgatory, or go to hell. 171 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,960 Not that feeling of, ooh, which will it be? 172 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,800 I actually went to a beautiful place. 173 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:03,520 So hopefully that's what's waiting for me after I leave this body. 174 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,480 I hope so too. 175 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:11,120 Some people tell me that they had an option and they could make a choice of whether to 176 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,120 come back or not. 177 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,120 And some people like you were just told that you need to go back. 178 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,120 What do you make of that? 179 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,120 Have you thought about that? 180 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,080 And why is that different for some people than others? 181 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,240 I have thought of that. 182 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:33,720 And I have read so many different people's experiences and gone to talks and really listening 183 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,720 with an open mind. 184 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,000 I remember I said, I'm a curious person. 185 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,920 I want to find out and educate myself and hear what others have to say. 186 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,600 I didn't feel I had a choice. 187 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,640 I felt like I was being directed. 188 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,040 Like, well, not now, in a soft way. 189 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,520 Not in a, oh, you can't come in here. 190 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:56,440 It's not like St. Peter at the pearly gates looking down the book said, oh no, oh no, not 191 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,440 you, cross it off. 192 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,520 I felt as though it was a peaceful rejection, if you will. 193 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:10,160 It was a loving rejection because my grandparents were so loving that they really were loving 194 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,400 people. 195 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:12,400 That's how I felt. 196 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,680 I felt it wasn't done out of a rejection. 197 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:16,160 It was done out of love. 198 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,080 You know, not now. 199 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:25,600 Go back to find out that, yes, I had, it was an unhappy time in my life. 200 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,160 I came from a rather abusive childhood. 201 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,760 I was not happy. 202 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,320 There was a lot going on. 203 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:42,560 So I wonder if I was being told to go back because there was something better for me, 204 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:46,480 which in time I came to learn that it took a long time. 205 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,280 You mentioned that you saw relatives there. 206 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:54,360 Did you recognize them or are they people that you knew before they passed who give 207 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,320 me a little more insight on that? 208 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,320 The only people I recognize were my maternal grandparents. 209 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,920 I did not recognize anyone else. 210 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,400 They were somewhat behind the gate. 211 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,320 There was a, you know, as a distance, like I was actually looking at people having a 212 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,400 good time. 213 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,240 They were not close to the fence. 214 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:19,760 The only way I recognized that there were some of my relatives was through old photographs 215 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:20,760 of my mother. 216 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,840 So really everything was from my mother's side. 217 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:29,720 And there were other people, but more like you look at a crowd where you only recognize, 218 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,040 say a few, you say, oh, there's so and so. 219 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,600 There's so and so. 220 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:41,920 As I said, the only ones that I actually connected with from knowing were my grandparents. 221 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,000 And did you know them before they passed on or just from photos? 222 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:55,400 Just from photos because they had either passed on before I was born or they passed on after, 223 00:12:55,400 --> 00:13:00,880 but again, living in United States, it's not like that, you didn't get on Zoom, you made 224 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,040 these three minute phone calls that cost you an arm and a leg. 225 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:09,120 And so all I ever knew were when they would send photographs of, say, you know, as we 226 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:14,000 would send, oh, my child's getting married or we have a new grandchild, like that. 227 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:22,280 So I knew from my mother's album, these people, her brothers, her in-laws, her friends. 228 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,800 And that's what I knew. 229 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:30,680 And by the time this accident happened in the early 1970s, well, actually it was 1970, 230 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:34,200 most of those had passed on my mother's relatives, her brothers. 231 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,040 She was the youngest of five brothers. 232 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,240 Now, you mentioned one feeling. 233 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,440 I've been taking notes here. 234 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,760 You mentioned, this is one of my favorite words, bliss. 235 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:47,880 Tell me about that. 236 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:53,720 And can you put any other adjectives to it to describe for people what that felt like? 237 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,440 This is a utopia. 238 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,240 For me, it is a place or a level. 239 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:09,240 Maybe it's a level of one's emotional, mental, physical, spiritual being, where all that 240 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,120 really exists is already answered. 241 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:19,000 There's no sense of why or how or should I or could I. 242 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:25,080 It is really in a place, I said utopia, of great peace. 243 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:30,680 Now for those that do meditate, we understand that wonderful feeling of peace. 244 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:35,840 If you meditate, like say, you have a real practice and you're meditating, even the time 245 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:42,080 in your life where you sat back, maybe it was a time you just sat back and you went, 246 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,680 isn't this great? 247 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,480 Isn't this wonderful? 248 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:51,280 Oh, look, all my family's getting along, my little cat's on my lap. 249 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:57,960 And you have this wonderful sense of serenity and peacefulness and joy where you actually 250 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:03,560 are joyous and you feel that through your whole physical self. 251 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:10,760 So it is not only a mental, emotional experience, it actually is in the body and your body feels 252 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:11,760 so relaxed. 253 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:20,600 See, I'm a swimmer and I think the closest I ever came to God, of my God, of my heart, 254 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:28,280 how I perceive that being or feeling of God was when I swam, I would swim laps, like I 255 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:33,360 would try to get up to a mile of swimming laps or down in the ocean, going in the water 256 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,520 in the waves. 257 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,200 And that's the feeling of completeness. 258 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:43,560 You are completely who you are in the moment of who you are and there's no question that 259 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,880 you have where you doubt anything. 260 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,920 I hope that is a little bit of an explanation of bliss. 261 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,560 One more question now. 262 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,120 You talked about this woman in white outside the car. 263 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,960 You've had a long time to think about this. 264 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,600 Who do you think she was? 265 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:08,880 We will refer her to an angel, a messenger. 266 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,760 She was not anyone that I would physically say I knew that person. 267 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,360 Oh, that reminded me of so and so. 268 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:23,440 It was a woman that appeared to be in her, well, I was 19, so she was like old, right? 269 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,280 She was probably in her 40s to me. 270 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:33,480 She was a mature woman, but not an elderly woman, not a crone or a senior. 271 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,560 And she just felt very calm. 272 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,080 And I believe that that was the greatest feeling that I got from her. 273 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,960 She was calm. 274 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,440 It calmed me down having her stand there. 275 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,400 Instead of being in a place of panic, you have to understand I was bleeding profusely 276 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,480 from my head, my head and my face. 277 00:16:53,480 --> 00:17:00,320 There was blood all over my coat, as a matter of fact, I said to the officer, and I remember 278 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,960 this, and he brought it up when he called me later. 279 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,720 He said, that was so funny that you kept saying, oh my God, I'm ruining my coat. 280 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,880 And I was like, oh my God, this is a new coat. 281 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,960 There's blood everywhere. 282 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:21,600 The woman gave me the feeling of calmness when she said, it's okay. 283 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,840 You'll be okay. 284 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,080 That's what I felt from her. 285 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,080 You're calm. 286 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,200 It's okay. 287 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,840 So who was the first person that you told about this? 288 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:31,840 And how did it go? 289 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,360 Wow, the first person. 290 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:39,080 It had to, yeah. 291 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,680 I didn't really talk about it in depth like we are. 292 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:49,360 I just said at one time, I did not have a good relationship with my father. 293 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:53,560 Nobody had a very good relationship with my father. 294 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:59,360 And there came a time where he had quadruple heart surgery and he was really sick. 295 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:02,960 And I was the only one in the family that went up to see him in the hospital. 296 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,360 And we started talking. 297 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:12,040 And I told him that in a very short way, you know, daddy, I think that I might have died. 298 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,880 And I think I might have went to the other side or someplace. 299 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,960 I said, heaven, because we didn't call it the other side then. 300 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,880 I said, I might have went to heaven. 301 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:27,280 I didn't go into detail, but he became interested when he came out of the hospital. 302 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:34,000 It was later in 1970s and about 1978, 1979, Dr. Moody came out with a book, Life After 303 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,000 Life. 304 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,600 This is the first coming out book. 305 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,840 And he was a well respected doctor as such. 306 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,320 And this book really put him out, not a great light within his profession. 307 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,080 But my father gave me that book. 308 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,240 Now, remember, I'm not close to this man. 309 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,000 I'm afraid of him, actually. 310 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,320 But I revealed something to him and he supported it. 311 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,640 He supported it this way by giving me this book to read. 312 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:10,040 Then I did not speak about it to really anybody until the early 1980s when I began to share 313 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,160 some of my knowledge and what had been produced by this near death experience. 314 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:20,720 I had a particularly unexpected career and I began to share that in classes that I was 315 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:21,720 giving. 316 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,600 Again, I never went into detail. 317 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,600 I skirted around it. 318 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:32,360 Remember, I still didn't want to be seen like a nut, right? 319 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:37,880 And so that's how I talked about it, rather than personal relationships. 320 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:44,000 Other than my father, I began to talk about it more to students, my students that were 321 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,000 there. 322 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,880 And to friends, I didn't share it with the family very easy at all. 323 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,520 Okay. 324 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,880 So how has your life changed since all this? 325 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,280 I mean, well, it's been 50 plus years now. 326 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,280 And I don't know, maybe how do you think your life would have been different without it 327 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,720 versus what it's been like since? 328 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,680 You have to remember, I was a product of the 1960s. 329 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:19,680 You know, wild into everything curious about what I could achieve through ultra state of 330 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,800 consciousness growing up in San Francisco. 331 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,200 I was on a wild track and pretty crazy. 332 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:33,360 And that went on for, even after my near death experience, that went on for quite a while. 333 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:38,600 I believe I've been told, people have said that I'm pretty bold and I speak out. 334 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,080 I speak my mind. 335 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,200 I've learned not to speak it so much anymore in my old age. 336 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,360 And I did not want to go downtown. 337 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:51,800 When we got out of high school, my father has said, the women don't go to college, just 338 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,640 get a job till you get a husband. 339 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,720 You know, you were going to get married, have kids. 340 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,640 So at 18, I went downtown to work in a bank. 341 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,640 And I knew from day one, when I got on that bus, they went to go to this new job. 342 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,440 I said, I'm not going to do this. 343 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,560 I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'm not going to do this. 344 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,200 Everybody fall out of sleep looking miserable. 345 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,000 So I signed up for truck driving, log distance truck driving, a course. 346 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,480 So just before this accident, I wanted to be a truck driver and get away and get on the 347 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,680 road. 348 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:32,160 And then after my accident in healing, as I said, physically, emotionally, having to 349 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,160 heal, I had to stay home. 350 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:42,960 It was very devastating for a young 19, 20 year old woman to wake up and have really 351 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,800 noticeable scars all over her face and the reaction from people. 352 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,720 So I would say that I began to more or less hide out. 353 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:58,560 And in that hiding out, I became curious because before the accident, I had gone with 354 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,880 a group of girlfriends for a card read, you know, just a playing card fortune telling. 355 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,440 And the woman had predicted this. 356 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,160 And she predicted it rather with a good description. 357 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,320 There'll be two men. 358 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,120 It'll be a difficult time. 359 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,320 They'll have an accident. 360 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:18,800 And this is say about less than six months before the accident, about six months maybe. 361 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,680 And so I bought a book and I became curious. 362 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,000 So not my, my personality is I am an extrovert. 363 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:31,800 I enjoy being around most people, not big crowds, but people. 364 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:37,000 And as I withdrew, I began to educate myself to out of my curiosity to study, how could 365 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,960 this woman have done that and known that? 366 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,400 How it changed my life. 367 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:50,520 It opened a door where I became, became curious in the metaphysics and the occult. 368 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,600 I wanted to know more about paranormal. 369 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,280 I wanted to know why would I see people that are already dead. 370 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:04,960 So that was where my curiosity led me to study through classes, through going to things like 371 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:10,760 the unity church where they would have unusual people talking about unusual things. 372 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,880 That's how my life began to change in a slow, like hidden way. 373 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,680 If you remember, I said I was brought up rather religious. 374 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,280 We did not talk about this kind of information. 375 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,320 Though my mother used to read tea leaves for us, but we were told not to talk to the nuns 376 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,320 at school about it. 377 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,960 We weren't supposed to talk about it outside the family. 378 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,960 She said she only did it for fun. 379 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,240 So you just mentioned that you see dead people. 380 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,440 Let's go down that road. 381 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,560 Tell us about that. 382 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,680 And did this only start after the NDE? 383 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,760 Yes. 384 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,640 It only started after the NDE. 385 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,920 And it happened, let me say, how old was I? 386 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:51,920 So, 1973. 387 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,320 You have to go back in history and figure ages out. 388 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,480 Probably around 1973, 1974. 389 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:05,440 I left a really bad relationship and I was living with a sister. 390 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,640 I had met a young man during one of my, I got on the train one day and I decided that 391 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,720 I would run away from home about 74. 392 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:14,720 And I went up to Oregon. 393 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,200 I met a young man and really liked him and his family. 394 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,200 He took me home. 395 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,200 It's just me, his family. 396 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,920 I got a phone call that he had passed on. 397 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,960 He had committed suicide is what he did. 398 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,120 And I saw, he came to me. 399 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,160 Now I'm not going to say that this was pleasant. 400 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,160 It was not a pleasant experience at all. 401 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,880 It scared the bejeevis out of me and he showed up to talk to me. 402 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:45,840 During that time, my grandparents on the other side also came to me one day when I was cleaning 403 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,840 out the bathtub. 404 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:52,080 You know, it's almost like you take your mind off of something and then something occurs. 405 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,080 And both experiences were unanswered on question. 406 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,920 I didn't know what was going on. 407 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,880 I called my mother and I said to her, Granny and Granda came to me. 408 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,160 They were holding hands. 409 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,760 I didn't want to tell her I saw them before. 410 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,520 After all, remember I'm keeping this quiet. 411 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,920 And she said, thank you very much. 412 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,080 She was very close to her parents. 413 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,520 I mean, just the adored child, the youngest, the only girl. 414 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,200 And she said, thank you because I was so worried that they weren't together. 415 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,200 So I answered that, you know, that she did not mock me or doubt me. 416 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,360 She actually accepted what I had to say. 417 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:36,880 After that, I was in denial of being in touch with those who had passed on. 418 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,440 I didn't want any part of it. 419 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,000 It wasn't like I went, hallelujah, I see dead people. 420 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,640 I'm like, stay away from me. 421 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,160 I'm not interested. 422 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,600 And I began to know things about people. 423 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,680 I followed more of a different path than saying being a medium. 424 00:25:52,680 --> 00:26:00,400 In the 1980s, there was, by then I was still able to see spirits around people, but I never 425 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,400 brought it up. 426 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,440 I didn't tell anybody this. 427 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:10,120 And in the 1980s, I had read for a woman and she said, oh, I refer people to you. 428 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:14,000 I told them that you're a wonderful medium because I had given her some information. 429 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:20,400 I actually got angry at her because I did not want people to know that this is something 430 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,400 I could do. 431 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,640 Why is that? 432 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,640 That's really weird. 433 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:31,880 In my mind at that time, that's really weird. 434 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,600 So I began again to educate myself. 435 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:42,120 By that time in the barrier, there was a psychic and author named Betty Brithard. 436 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:47,440 And she wrote dream books and she wrote other books on metaphysical, parapsychology, paranormal 437 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,440 information. 438 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,840 She was very well respected, very well known in the Bay Area. 439 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,640 I went to some of her lectures. 440 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,120 I shared with her that. 441 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:00,640 And she said, you have to have an opportunity to meet her while you're about the book. 442 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,960 And I said, I don't know what to do with this. 443 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:08,960 And she said, this is a gift that you will want to share with others. 444 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,080 And do it as you feel comfortable doing it. 445 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:21,160 And so I came out of the closet a little more, very carefully, step by step. 446 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,400 I guess it was an ego thing. 447 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:30,920 You as my other part of unexpected career, I became what is known as a psychic reader. 448 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:37,560 And I wanted people to respect it because I was being told by even some family members, 449 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:43,400 not so much my sisters, the males, that I was working for the devil and I was a phone. 450 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,880 People were calling me phony and a charlatan and a con. 451 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,360 And I wanted respect. 452 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:55,040 So I didn't want people to think that I was talking to dead people on top of having insights 453 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,040 into people. 454 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,360 Yeah, it's kind of a lot, I guess. 455 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:04,280 So what sort of advice do you have for people who don't know if they believe in an afterlife 456 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,280 or not? 457 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,960 Just people, I think it's a normal human thing to be afraid of death. 458 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,160 What do you have to say to them? 459 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,840 Well, I'm very respectful of other people's thoughts. 460 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,400 I don't try to convince people to anything. 461 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:25,440 It is something that you either just know, you just know it for some reason, you just 462 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,440 believe in it. 463 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,160 Maybe you learned it as a child in religion and you decided, oh yeah, I'm going to go 464 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,760 down that path. 465 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,160 However, if you're not in a religion and you're out in nature, you understand that nothing 466 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,960 really comes to an end. 467 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:45,040 No sooner have the leaves dropped, you give it a few months and the blossoms begin again, 468 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,960 that life is a cycle, maybe you're philosophical and you understand that. 469 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,280 And if you do not believe in it, too bad. 470 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,280 You'll find out one or another. 471 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:03,680 I would say, I'm going to be really pissed if I died and I'm all burned into ashes and 472 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,320 I'm like, okay, where's heaven? 473 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,080 For the most part, do people have anything to fear in the afterlife? 474 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:19,960 Well, I have read and very few people have said to me, well, I died once again, so it 475 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,760 was really black and it was terrible and I was afraid. 476 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:30,680 I think that there can be people that experience that for various reasons. 477 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,800 It can be, when I was going to school, we learned that the soul resided in the heart. 478 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:45,280 And if you did whatever particular sin, venial or mortal sin, that the soul blackened. 479 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:51,200 So perhaps you lived a life where your soul blackened and there was only darkness in you, 480 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,960 that you were not a person that cared of other people or you did injuries to others, you 481 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:03,120 were against society and did not, for humanity, good purposes. 482 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:09,240 They perhaps will experience the darkness on the other side. 483 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,000 I can't speak for all people and I have never said I can. 484 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,960 I think that there are people who, from what I've read and a few that I've spoke with, 485 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:25,000 they did not have good experiences on the other side. 486 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,400 Maybe they could start to live a cleaner life. 487 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,760 There are a few things that I'm finding in common in doing these interviews with people 488 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,960 that have had NDEs. 489 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,720 One is that every experience is different in some way. 490 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,680 There are a lot of commonalities too. 491 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,760 And one of them seems to be, hey, I'm not afraid of death anymore. 492 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:53,440 Are you saying that people that are not living a good life that are going against all the 493 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,280 norms of society, all the moralities of people, they should be afraid of it? 494 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,520 Oh, I don't know. 495 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,000 I don't think that they even probably care. 496 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:10,200 You see later in life, some people that have abused humanity for their own gain, if they 497 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:16,440 get a chance to live to their older, they have a chance to give some of their money to charity. 498 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:22,960 Or say, well, okay, now I see I did this, maybe I can make some amends. 499 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:29,880 Like, oh, I better hedge my bets here just in case there is another life. 500 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,280 And there's some that just don't care. 501 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,120 So I don't think they should be afraid. 502 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:42,480 I think that at some point, perhaps they could be more aware and conscious that to give another 503 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,560 person an opportunity to share what we have in a positive way. 504 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,280 And that doesn't have to be a material thing, by the way. 505 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,200 That could be something to where you see a person down on their luck. 506 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,400 And you say good morning to them. 507 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,520 You say, hello. 508 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,800 Those are good values to have in life that you actually care about people. 509 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,520 It doesn't live a life where they are very into their self. 510 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,400 Nowadays, we hear all the word narcissistic people. 511 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,080 It's a new thing everybody's learning. 512 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:23,680 And if you think you are that way, will you ever really be aware that if there is an afterlife, 513 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,680 what will it be like for you? 514 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:31,760 I guess if you're narcissistic, it'll revolve around you and be whatever you want it to 515 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,760 be. 516 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,760 Exactly. 517 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,240 I hope that doesn't sound too terribly rude. 518 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,720 Tell me about your books. 519 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,720 Okay. 520 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,160 I have two novels and two non-fictions. 521 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,120 My first book was written because I was asked. 522 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,360 I was asked to write all of them. 523 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:54,080 My first one was how to go and find a reasonable psychic reader and medium. 524 00:32:54,080 --> 00:33:00,800 And how could you use a psychic reading really to evolve somewhat where the NDE does, it 525 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:08,360 gives you an opportunity to evolve to a greater sense of who am I and why am I here? 526 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,040 What is my purpose? 527 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:18,240 That's what majority of people that I have experienced either through lectures or reading 528 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,000 have a greater purpose in their life once they return to planet Earth. 529 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,120 So the book does go into how do you ask questions to get the most out of a reading and like 530 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,120 that. 531 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,160 It's just put together in my garage, you know, with friends helping me. 532 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,480 It was just a nice little book. 533 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,560 But it set me on a course. 534 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,080 The next two books were novels. 535 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,320 I thoroughly enjoyed writing. 536 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:48,760 And then my last book is based upon my experience as a medium and working with the police on 537 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,480 murder cases. 538 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,280 I answer a lot of questions. 539 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,840 My first chapter is actually questions from the curious living. 540 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,040 A reviewer of my book said, I don't know what I'm doing because you never put questions 541 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,360 in the beginning of the book. 542 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,880 You put them at the end. 543 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,840 And I thought, well, I want to answer people's questions. 544 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,480 I don't want to make it all about me. 545 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,480 What do you want? 546 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,640 You know, are you as curious as I am? 547 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:20,360 And then I tell him, I let people know how to experience communication with spirits either 548 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:26,280 through a medium, through a seance, through a group, like, you know, some psychics that 549 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:34,160 do groups, and it's called gallery reading, or solo, which I really encourage and promote 550 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,520 the most. 551 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,600 You can do it yourself. 552 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,920 You really can. 553 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,400 And here's ways you can do it. 554 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:49,440 The thing that happens here, if I may go on a little bit, the thing that happens here 555 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,760 is that we are so engulfed with grief. 556 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,120 It is very difficult to either believe we are in communication for our loved one that 557 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,680 passed on, or to hear the message of our loved one that passed on. 558 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,640 These are two things to really hear it. 559 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,480 For instance, I don't have much patience. 560 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,320 I know I'm learning. 561 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,320 I'm old now. 562 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,320 I'm starting to learn. 563 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,320 I got grandkids. 564 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,320 I'm not patient. 565 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,960 So, I was not patient so much with my mother, and I call it the long goodbye. 566 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,560 She was, that took a time to die. 567 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,880 I would get impatient with her. 568 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:34,480 And so, I was just re-repecked with guilt when she passed, like, oh my God, you know, 569 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:40,040 what a horrible daughter I was to her, because I was kind of her primary care in the way 570 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,160 I was legally her primary care. 571 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,680 And she would come to me and she'd say, June, thank you so much for everything you did. 572 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,680 I could not believe it. 573 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,200 I was like, oh no, I'm a terrible daughter. 574 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,200 I was impatient. 575 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,400 I'd say, come on, mom, stop that. 576 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,560 Take your medicine, things like that. 577 00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,760 So I went for a medium reading to someone that I respect. 578 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,000 And the first thing she says is, your mother wants to tell you to stop telling her that 579 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,960 you were terrible, which she's trying to tell you, thank you for all you did for me. 580 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:18,960 So even me, a medium who's in this, needed to go to somebody else because my emotional 581 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:25,200 state did not allow me the freedom to really live in, to really hear it in an objective 582 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,200 way. 583 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,080 Does that make sense to you? 584 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,800 Yeah, that's really interesting. 585 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,200 I'm curious, and before we end here, maybe just one last thing. 586 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,240 If you could tell us one of the interesting experiences that you had as being a medium 587 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,160 in criminal cases. 588 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,880 I'm going to tell you right now, as much as people are interested in it, it is not a 589 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,520 nice experience. 590 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:56,760 You are actually speaking to somebody who violently died, were terribly afraid, murdered. 591 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:03,840 And I worked with the woman that was murdered, eventually we found out, was a long-time client. 592 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,280 Now that, excuse me, she had only come to me a few times for readings. 593 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,960 It was her sister-in-law that was a long-time client. 594 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,000 Well, the woman didn't come home from work, and she had two young children. 595 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000 She worked at a hospital. 596 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,800 She always came home. 597 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,520 And I answered my phone. 598 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,520 I don't know why. 599 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,440 On those days, you didn't much answer your phone after nine o'clock. 600 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,440 And I answered it. 601 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,440 Yeah, that was late. 602 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,440 Yeah, yeah. 603 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,960 Don't call anybody after nine o'clock. 604 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,440 Certainly not 10 o'clock. 605 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,160 And it was after nine o'clock, and I picked up the phone. 606 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,560 It was my client. 607 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,360 She said, I really, I need to talk to you, blah, blah, blah. 608 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,680 So I said, well, come over to the house. 609 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,240 And I had a young son. 610 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:41,240 It was late. 611 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:42,240 It was after 10. 612 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:45,160 And I gave her, I actually drew a picture. 613 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,800 I, because remember, I told you I draw. 614 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,640 I'm a fun artist. 615 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,800 I draw for myself. 616 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,560 I drew a picture of the man that she was with. 617 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:59,960 Well, it turns out that was the, it eventually, I worked with the DA, and I worked with the 618 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,520 homicide detective later. 619 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,520 That's really not pleasant. 620 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,000 The DA was fine. 621 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,600 The homicide detective was hard. 622 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:16,640 And it turned out that the picture I drew actually was totally a picture of the murderer. 623 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,800 Even I thought that was pretty good. 624 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,800 I was like, oh, wow. 625 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,160 And I went through the whole process. 626 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,040 When the detective came to get me, I named the name of the street in a small town down 627 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,040 the coast. 628 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,040 Talk about Happen Bay. 629 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,600 This was a town in between down the coast. 630 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,560 And I actually gave the name of the street and directed the DA and the detective came 631 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,920 and picked me up. 632 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,920 One of my older, my elder sister came with me because I was really rattled. 633 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:46,360 I sat in the back of the car and I pointed to where we were going and where this murderer 634 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,600 had taken this woman. 635 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,320 And there was proof of this. 636 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,320 It came out later. 637 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,680 There was a lot of proof that everywhere we went and what I said was absolutely right 638 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,680 on. 639 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,360 That's because the woman that was murdered was showing up and telling me this. 640 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,360 And it was uncomfortable. 641 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,880 I mean, couldn't she come in the daytime? 642 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,880 Oh, no. 643 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,960 She had to come when I fell asleep and wake me up. 644 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,040 So I was getting like, please, would you stop waking me up? 645 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,400 I got to get up in the morning. 646 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,320 I got a kid here. 647 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,720 Even my son, who was only like three and a half, four, he got information and I actually 648 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:24,720 recorded him. 649 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:25,720 And I didn't keep the tape. 650 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:28,800 I remember cassette tapes in those days. 651 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,960 And he gave me information. 652 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,160 I have to tell you something. 653 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,120 I know your audience will probably think I'm terrible. 654 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,600 I took credit for some of the information because I didn't want them talking to my little 655 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,840 son. 656 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,920 And it turns out that it was actually really good proof. 657 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,920 They actually got witnesses from what my son told me. 658 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,800 And it was very sad. 659 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,280 Eventually he went to trial. 660 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,800 They did put him away. 661 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,160 In the last few years, he did get out. 662 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,200 He finally was paroled. 663 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,200 And it was a terrible death for her. 664 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,000 She was beaten to death and kicked. 665 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,440 It was a terrible death. 666 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,360 And I actually, when we went to the one spot where I knew he took her and nobody was around, 667 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,760 it was by the ocean, by the way. 668 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,280 And I got out of the car and I fell to my knees. 669 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,240 Now this is the time I had a skirt on in Nylons. 670 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,640 I remember women's store where Nylons. 671 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,400 I don't know if they do anymore. 672 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,600 And I fell down on the ground, on the gravel and was crawling away. 673 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,560 I became her. 674 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,040 And he was kicking her in her butt and her butt kicking her along. 675 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,000 Oh, it was just terrible. 676 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,680 I did not know because they didn't tell everybody anything. 677 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,280 The police have to keep stuff. 678 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:46,000 She had bruises of a boot, bruises all over her butt and her back. 679 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,360 Big size bruises. 680 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,360 I didn't know that. 681 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,360 Nobody knew it. 682 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,360 They kept that to themselves. 683 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,160 Yeah, that would be so difficult to do that kind of work. 684 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,600 Oh, I was hysterical. 685 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,160 My sister had to help me up. 686 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,520 The detective in the DA, she said, were standing there with their mouth open. 687 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,520 They were just like, and she helped me up. 688 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,160 And then on the way back, I was living in San Francisco. 689 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,960 You know, that's where I grew up. 690 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,800 And I was living in San Francisco and I gave them another piece of information that they 691 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,600 never, never gave out. 692 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,160 The detective was so stunned. 693 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,760 He had to pull off the road and park the car. 694 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,760 And he said, how do you know that? 695 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,040 I said, well, why are you here? 696 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,360 Why are you asking me? 697 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,240 Because remember, he's a detective. 698 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,320 He's like, can I really believe this nut? 699 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:38,320 And the DA was really happy because it helped build his case. 700 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:44,920 Well, I assume that the detective in the DA also, they're thinking, OK, I can't use this 701 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:51,320 in court, but if it leads me to something quote, tangible that I can use in court, then 702 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,320 that's OK. 703 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,320 Exactly. 704 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,320 That's exactly it. 705 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,840 You have to be reasonable and logical. 706 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:04,600 And I believe as a medium, or a, well, I retired now, but also as a psychic reader, I said 707 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,920 to people, we have to be reasonable and logical with information in order that you can use 708 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,960 it to better yourself and your life. 709 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:19,280 I did not like the woo woo woo, you know, you're something, you know, I wanted, how 710 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,520 can you use this information to bring peace to yourself, peace to others, or even better 711 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,320 your life by the actions you take? 712 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,880 That was really what I valued. 713 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,320 And that's what I did. 714 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,680 OK, June, thank you so much for your time. 715 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,120 It's been a pleasure. 716 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,000 Thank you. 717 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:42,680 If you have had a round trip death experience, we would love to hear about it. 718 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,440 Send an email to Eric at roundtripdeath.com. 719 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,760 And lastly, if you have found this program uplifting, if it's given you just a little 720 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,960 more hope in the future, share it with a friend, hit that follow button, and take a few seconds 721 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,760 to write us a review. 722 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,520 Until next time, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the 723 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:19,000 next.