1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,120 One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die? 2 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:13,720 Is death the end or a new beginning? 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,080 Welcome to the Round Trip Death Podcast. 4 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:20,680 In this show, we listen to first-hand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,880 return to talk about it. 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,040 Today our featured guests not only had an interesting near-death experience, but one 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:32,600 of the most spectacular accidents you will ever hear, as he was actually run over by 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,360 a large Navy ship in the freezing Antarctic Ocean. 9 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:37,360 How did it happen? 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,400 And how did he make it back? 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:47,320 We are about to find out. 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:53,440 So we are honored to have with us today on the podcast, Greg Keely from Australia. 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,560 Greg, how are you? 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:56,760 Absolutely fantastic, Eric. 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,160 Thank you for the opportunity. 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,640 I'm looking forward to sharing my experience and hopefully it might help some people get 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:09,200 through some struggles that they have been as I did from mine. 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:15,240 Would you mind giving us, before you tell us what led up to your near-death experience, 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,320 tell us just a little bit about you and your background so we can get to know you some? 20 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:20,320 Yeah, fantastic. 21 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:21,320 All right. 22 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:30,240 So I was born in Sydney, Australia back in 1968 and grew up a child of the 80s in Australia, 23 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,960 which was pretty cool. 24 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:36,960 You know, normal sort of a family. 25 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:42,600 It wasn't until much later in adult life that I found out that I had what was called a narcissistic 26 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:43,600 father. 27 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:50,880 However, that led to pretty much the NDE that we'll talk about and my careers, many, many 28 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:51,880 careers. 29 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:58,440 I ended up having about 41 career changes in my life through this self-sabotage, one 30 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:05,200 of them which was in the military, which we'll talk about and where the NDE occurred. 31 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,920 I've moved all the way up the East Coast of Australia, up and back, and now I live in 32 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:16,360 a place called the Sunshine Coast, which is, I suppose, similar to the Florida sort of 33 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:21,880 a weather, but it's got lots of lovely surf beaches and I surf every single day for my 34 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:26,240 own mental health and absolutely love it. 35 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:38,400 I've got a very patient wife of 25 years who went through all my thermals of self-sabotage 36 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,120 and she's still there, which is fantastic. 37 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,160 I've got two boys, one's 21 and the other one's 18. 38 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,000 Wow, surfing every day, that's not a bad life. 39 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,840 It's winter down there right now, so does that mean you have bigger waves? 40 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:58,800 We do have bigger waves and we get to wear a wetsuit, but this is why I moved here. 41 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,400 I've moved all the way up and down the East Coast of Australia. 42 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,680 I've been over to the West Coast a couple of times and that's where this NDE took place, 43 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:13,320 but it is bigger waves in the winter and I absolutely just love it. 44 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:19,720 It helps me be grounded and it's something I think everyone should do is find something 45 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:25,260 that they love and be able to do it as much as they can because it's amazing how much 46 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:27,320 more happier life becomes. 47 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,960 I could not agree more. 48 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,900 That's fantastic. 49 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:36,040 Before you get into the lead up to your NDE, would you mind just almost giving us a little 50 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:43,080 teaser, just a teeny glint as to what you saw or experienced in your NDE without telling 51 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,080 us the whole story? 52 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,400 Then we're going to get to the lead up because the lead up is absolutely amazing. 53 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,880 For people that haven't heard your story, you are going to be blown away with what happened 54 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,880 to Greg. 55 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:55,880 Tease us first. 56 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:56,880 All right. 57 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:05,480 Actually, I ended up having two in the one evening and you'll understand it when I go 58 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:06,760 into more depth. 59 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:13,200 I did see and feel other entities, but they weren't from this life. 60 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:19,260 It must have been from another time, another place. 61 00:04:19,260 --> 00:04:23,760 The biggest thing that I took away from it was the love that I felt there. 62 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,200 I was sort of torn. 63 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:34,760 I had absolutely no control of which direction I was going, but the lead up to it will definitely 64 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,760 allow me to explain it in much more detail. 65 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:39,760 Okay. 66 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,440 I'll let you fill in more details in a few minutes. 67 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,680 You were in the Royal Australian Navy. 68 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Set the stage. 69 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,440 What in the world happened? 70 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,720 All right. 71 00:04:52,720 --> 00:05:00,000 I joined the Royal Australian Navy as a clearance diver. 72 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:08,560 It's similar to your Navy SEALs over there and we did a lot of underwater ship attacks. 73 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,000 We did deep water mine clearances, explosives. 74 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:19,040 We did a lot of dry land explosive, ordnance disposal. 75 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:31,280 We've got a couple of different ranks and different entities in different militaries. 76 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:38,080 I suppose the clearance diver is classified as a special forces in the Navy. 77 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:44,480 I got to work with some of the most amazing men in the Army. 78 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:49,840 They have what was called the SAS Regiment, Special Air Service Regiment, that are the 79 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,080 elite of Australia's military. 80 00:05:53,080 --> 00:06:02,160 I managed to work with them for six months over in Western Australia, the other side. 81 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,320 We went over there, did a lot of work ups, jumping out of helicopters, a lot of ship 82 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,320 sporting. 83 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:16,840 Our task was to head down from Western Australia all the way down to the Antarctic Ocean because 84 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:22,040 Australia's waters, Australian waters down there in the Antarctic Ocean. 85 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,840 There's a lot of illegal vessels down there trafficking, fishing, doing things that they 86 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:28,720 shouldn't. 87 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:36,680 We were the first mission to go down there with a combined Army and Navy. 88 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,320 I'll set the scene for you. 89 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,720 It's 2 a.m. in the morning. 90 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:42,960 The seas are huge. 91 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:49,960 I believe I was told they were 17-meter seas, so they were much higher than the ship. 92 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:56,400 It was so cold that when the waves would hit the side of the hull of the ship, the water 93 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,760 would instantly freeze. 94 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,040 It looked like it was snowing upwards. 95 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:06,960 It was quite a bizarre event and an experience. 96 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:13,600 Now, at 2 a.m., we get the call that we have to get to boarding stations. 97 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:19,920 Because it was so cold, we couldn't go by helicopter because the rotors were all frosted 98 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,480 up. 99 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:28,360 What we would do is they would launch a boat off the Navy frigate of the ship. 100 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,240 It was called a rigid inflatable boat, a RIB. 101 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,480 They would lower it down. 102 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,760 It was probably about 20-foot long. 103 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,200 It had these seats in it that everyone sat behind each other. 104 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:47,040 Basically, we would end up going from the top of the Navy ship down into the boat. 105 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:52,560 They'd lower the boat into the water by a crane. 106 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:58,440 The guys would drive it to the side of the ship, and then they would lower a line to 107 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,600 the front of the boat. 108 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,920 They had a bowman, a guy at the front. 109 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:09,400 He would clip on the rope, and then the guy that was driving the boat would take the accelerator 110 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:14,960 off the engine, and the boat would pull up alongside the ship because the ship was still 111 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:21,440 doing about 10 knots, which is about 10 miles per hour through this massive sea. 112 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:29,360 So, if you can imagine the ships going at 10 knots and this small boat being pulled 113 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:34,000 alongside, does that make sense? 114 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:41,840 Yes, but I cannot imagine them doing this in, you said 17-meter waves, so that's like 115 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,000 50 feet, if my math is right. 116 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,040 50-foot waves in a little tiny, what we call a zodiac kind of boat. 117 00:08:50,040 --> 00:09:01,400 Yeah, it could take probably about 11 or 12 people sitting back to front or front to back, 118 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,920 and there's a center console where a guy would be driving it. 119 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,720 It had two big engines on the back. 120 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:08,880 That's insane. 121 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,440 They couldn't wait for it to calm down a little bit. 122 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,200 I don't know what happened up at the top there with the decisions. 123 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,920 I was just one of the fellows that had to do the job. 124 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,840 But I do understand what you're saying. 125 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,200 It's a fair question to ask. 126 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,440 I get it. 127 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,320 That's just crazy. 128 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,680 We think of these super tough Australian guys and there you were. 129 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:38,120 I mean, you're probably eating snakes for dinner and stuff. 130 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,640 It was definitely a challenge. 131 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:51,000 Like anyone that might be ex-military or emergency services, police, or paramedics or fire, when 132 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,320 you're trained to do something, you just do it. 133 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,600 You don't sit there and try and rationalize. 134 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,200 You just have to do it. 135 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:04,320 So anyway, what we would do is we had to get from the top of the Navy ship, the frigate, 136 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,000 down into the boat that's being towed alongside. 137 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,480 It's going up and down with the big waves, obviously. 138 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,960 But the rope that it's attached to is pulling it alongside the ship. 139 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,640 So it's sort of sucked in alongside the ship as the ship's going forward. 140 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:26,800 Now usually, you see people that would climb down a ladder to a boat that's being towed 141 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,480 alongside, but it takes too long. 142 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:37,400 And of course, with the boat going up and down so much, we had to compromise and get 143 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,800 into the boat as fast as possible. 144 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:45,640 So you may have seen on the news or with the military throwing out of a helicopter. 145 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,960 It's called a fast rope. 146 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,520 It's a really thick, fluffy rope. 147 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,000 And they throw it down. 148 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,720 So we've got it from the top of the Navy frigate going down the side of the ship. 149 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,880 And the end of the rope sits in the boat that's being towed alongside. 150 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:07,480 So we would jump off the side of the ship and fly down, almost like a controlled or 151 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,120 a directional descent. 152 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,660 And we would land at the bottom of the boat. 153 00:11:12,660 --> 00:11:14,600 And then that person would move to the back. 154 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,200 And then the next guy would jump down. 155 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,400 So it was like they call it a stick, a stick of guys just flying down. 156 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,980 And so you go from it was about 30 feet drop. 157 00:11:24,980 --> 00:11:32,760 And you couldn't stop because the ropes went, but it's guides you instead of jumping overboard. 158 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,880 It guides you into the boat that's being towed alongside. 159 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:36,880 You're following? 160 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,200 Yeah, I was wondering, I was going to ask you how high that was. 161 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,160 But you told us that's 30 feet now. 162 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:48,560 Of course, when the waves go down, that's probably even a little bit higher. 163 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,360 But OK, so you've got it. 164 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,600 How cold is the water, by the way? 165 00:11:52,600 --> 00:12:01,920 I don't know, but it was it was it was probably around the zero temperature, around the zero 166 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,600 to two degrees, maybe to combat the weather. 167 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,440 We had to wear big snow suits. 168 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,360 So we had a big snow suits on big heavy boots. 169 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,360 We had automatic weapons in a rifle format. 170 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,000 Plus I had pistols, a few quite a lot of ammunition. 171 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,240 I also had a backpack on which had three days ration. 172 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,700 So when we took the ship, we could stay on it. 173 00:12:28,700 --> 00:12:35,520 And then I also had a large sledgehammer strapped to my back to bash indoors in case we had 174 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:42,680 to get into locked compartments and commandeer the ship to take control of it and then guide 175 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:46,420 it back to Australia, to Australia, the land. 176 00:12:46,420 --> 00:12:50,000 So I was very heavily laden with equipment. 177 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000 Yeah. 178 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,840 How much does all that weigh, would you say? 179 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,960 I don't. 180 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:06,760 If I had to guess, it would probably be around 20 to 30 kilos on top of my my body weight. 181 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,480 OK, so another 50, 60 pounds. 182 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,840 OK, plus the big suit you're wearing. 183 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:13,840 Yeah. 184 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,560 So you'll understand why this all happened with this big suit that I was wearing when 185 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:20,920 I go into my store a bit more. 186 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:30,280 So you're about to jump, grab a rope that's wet, icy and just very gradually go down to 187 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,000 the nice little boat. 188 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,800 Yeah, it sounds good. 189 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,040 So there was two boats. 190 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,440 So the first lot of guys, about seven of them or eight of them, they jump into the first 191 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:49,560 boat and then the guy on the sailor on the helm that's driving it would motor it forward 192 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:55,520 and the guy at the front, the bow would unclip the hook that's hooked onto the boat and they 193 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:02,400 then would pull away from the ship and then go to the rear and sit behind the back of 194 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:08,160 the ship on the stern, right, and follow behind it. 195 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,800 Then they lowered a second boat, which would do the same. 196 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:17,840 They drove up alongside it, hooked on the shackle at the front, and then they sort of 197 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,200 they just called sweating back. 198 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,180 They just take the the throttle off and it pulls the boat alongside. 199 00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:30,560 And as luck would have it, I'm the first man down that rope into the second boat. 200 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,600 So I look at the guy next to me who's in charge. 201 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,280 He gives me a chop with his hand. 202 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,240 He goes, right, go, Greg. 203 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:43,240 So I jump out overboard and start flying down this road. 204 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,960 Now the universe works in mysterious ways. 205 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:53,200 So the side of the ship was struck by an incredibly large wave, which hit the boat that was being 206 00:14:53,200 --> 00:15:00,360 towed alongside and pushed it outwards as I was sliding down the road and the shackle 207 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,320 that was pulling that small boat alongside snapped. 208 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:10,200 So it started going backwards and my the rope then was went out of the boat into the water. 209 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:17,260 And so I flew all the way from the top 30 foot down straight into the Antarctic Ocean. 210 00:15:17,260 --> 00:15:23,600 And I was hanging on the side of the rope, getting towed alongside the ship at 10 miles 211 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,240 an hour. 212 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:31,600 So I'm hanging on this rope and I'm looking up at this massive gray wall in front of me, 213 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,520 which is the side of the ship, and I'm seeing all these bodies up there starting to panic 214 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,640 because I've gone overboard. 215 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,960 And I'm hanging on to the rope, getting towed alongside with the with all that weight, the 216 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,320 snowsuit filling up with water, all the boots and all that sort of stuff. 217 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:53,360 And the guy that was in the little boat that was being towed alongside, he's seen what's 218 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,360 happened. 219 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,840 So he accelerates and brings the boat up right next to me as I'm being towed alongside the 220 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,560 ship. 221 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,760 And the bowman who's at the front of the boat is yelling at me to let go of the rope I'm 222 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:12,560 hanging on to and hang on to the side of the boat. 223 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,360 So I did that because my I was slowly going under. 224 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,800 And so I let go of that and I hung on to the side of the boat. 225 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,000 Now what he should have done, the guy that was driving it is stop. 226 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,280 Right. 227 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,280 But he didn't. 228 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:33,400 He was going forwards, and in which case I was getting towed along the front of the boat 229 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,680 and my body was going under the boat. 230 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:36,680 Does that make sense? 231 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:37,680 It's terrifying. 232 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:44,800 So I'm looking at yes, I'm looking up at this guy and he says, he's saying, don't let go. 233 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,160 He's screaming at me, don't let go. 234 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,560 But I'm weighted down. 235 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,720 We're doing 10 knots. 236 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,320 And I'm getting dragged under the boat. 237 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,140 My fingers slowly start prying open. 238 00:16:55,140 --> 00:17:00,520 And I'm looking up at this guy and my last ditch hope and my fingers just let go and 239 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,040 I go underwater. 240 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:08,300 So I remember going underwater and it was so cold that I sort of my body automatically 241 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:15,120 just gasped and I sucked in a lot of freezing cold water, which which felt like it was freezing 242 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:17,600 my throat. 243 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:25,060 And I popped up on the surface coughing up all the water that I swallowed by that time. 244 00:17:25,060 --> 00:17:30,120 And I looked around and the boat that I went under was gone. 245 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:31,740 He bugged out. 246 00:17:31,740 --> 00:17:33,820 And I was alongside the ship. 247 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:39,860 So the ship's sailing along and there's me sitting in the water next to it. 248 00:17:39,860 --> 00:17:45,880 And I remember seeing this massive gray wall in front of me. 249 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:52,840 And I've looked down the side of it and I saw this this huge churning of foam at the 250 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,680 back of the ship where the propellers are turning. 251 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,440 So the propellers rotate outside in and I'm going towards it. 252 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:08,400 I'm trying to push myself out panic starting to come into my my thought process here that 253 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,740 I'm about to get chopped up by the propellers. 254 00:18:11,740 --> 00:18:13,360 So I'm wearing all this gear. 255 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,280 I'm pushing away from the ship. 256 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:22,000 But because it's moving forward, the wake, the wave of the ship is just sucking me into 257 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,760 the side of the hull. 258 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,020 Yeah, sure. 259 00:18:26,020 --> 00:18:31,440 So I'm getting quite close to this foaming at the back of the ship, the stern there. 260 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,720 And I'm in the panic starting to really take me. 261 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,080 And all of a sudden I get sucked underwater by the propellers. 262 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,960 So instant blackness because it's nighttime. 263 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,040 My eyeballs were freezing. 264 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,640 I was sucking in a lot of water and I was thrashing my arms and legs as hard as and 265 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,360 fast as I could. 266 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:57,600 As we do through that, you know, we went through the go through the fight, the flight or the 267 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:58,600 freeze. 268 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,040 I was fighting for my life at this stage. 269 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:07,200 I get sucked under the ship and my right, the ball of my right foot hits something hard. 270 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,200 So it must have been the hull. 271 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,300 And I pushed off with all my might. 272 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:16,840 And all of a sudden I felt this freedom like there was I was no longer getting turned around 273 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,800 like I was in a washing machine. 274 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:25,000 And so I started struggling with my arms upwards to the top of the surface of the water. 275 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:30,760 And I popped up on the surface in at 2am in 17 meter squeeze. 276 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:37,260 And I remember seeing the back of the Navy ship slowly leaving me. 277 00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:42,400 And I felt this relief because I hadn't been chopped up by the propellers. 278 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,400 Yeah, I have a feeling I know what's coming next. 279 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,400 Yeah. 280 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:52,400 So so you're going to may I was all of a sudden I was I felt quite free of that. 281 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,160 And I felt quite relieved. 282 00:19:54,160 --> 00:20:01,160 And then reality came back with how am I going to stay up on the surface here? 283 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,360 So I start trying to tread water with my arms and my legs. 284 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:11,880 I've got my weapons, my backpack, my sledgehammer, my suit, which is really heavy. 285 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,580 And I had communications in my ear. 286 00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:19,360 And I could hear the panic on all the people on the ship saying man overboard. 287 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:24,800 And they were talking to the guys in the small boats that they'd left behind. 288 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,840 And I heard them saying we can see him, we can see him. 289 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,280 We've got we've identified him. 290 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:36,200 And I'm and I'm turning around on the top of the water trying to stay above it, but 291 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,200 trying to see them. 292 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,460 And then I've seen them in the distance. 293 00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:40,760 This boat. 294 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,560 And it's full of the first boats full of the guys that were in it. 295 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,760 And they they come flying towards me. 296 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,760 They're going to rescue me. 297 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:50,760 Okay. 298 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,960 However, the swell the seas are so big. 299 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:59,340 He's surfing down the side of this wave totally uncontrolled, uncontrollable. 300 00:20:59,340 --> 00:21:02,280 And he's run straight over the top of me. 301 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,800 And I had on like a little state a preschooler pro tech helmets, a little bit of foam helmet. 302 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,660 He's hit that and pushed me underwater. 303 00:21:10,660 --> 00:21:15,120 And the propellers gone over and quit the top of the helmet there. 304 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:19,240 And it's probably pushed me a couple of meters, which is, I don't know, I don't know what 305 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,280 about five, six feet underwater. 306 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:29,200 And I started sucking in a lot of water, struggling to get back to the surface. 307 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,600 So I got back to the surface. 308 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,600 Panic was just, you know, it was uncontrollable. 309 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,080 The panic is just the fight, fight for your life sort of mode. 310 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,720 I got back up to the surface. 311 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,840 I was coughing and spluttering. 312 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:47,080 And I heard on this, this communications in my ear, the boat I was supposed to get in, 313 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,160 they've now seen me and they say we can get him. 314 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,160 Same things happen. 315 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,120 They've run straight over me and pushed me under. 316 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:55,120 So I've been done. 317 00:21:55,120 --> 00:22:00,680 I'm like a tea bag getting done underneath the Antarctic Ocean here in the cold water. 318 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:06,200 And I struggled back up to the surface, found my way up to the top there. 319 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:11,240 And I've seen the two boats just circling me now trying to do the best they can in this 320 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,960 uncontrollable water to get to me. 321 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:22,800 And I'm looking at them going around in circles myself trying to keep an eye on them. 322 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:28,040 And it was like it was everything just started slowing down. 323 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:36,180 My arms became very heavy because of the cold and all my joints started stiffening up. 324 00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:42,480 Because what tends to happen is when we go and are submerged into extreme cold, the blood 325 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:50,380 leaves our extremities and congregates around our organs to try and protect us. 326 00:22:50,380 --> 00:22:54,520 So all of a sudden, I feel that it's very difficult to tread water. 327 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,440 And my head keeps going underwater. 328 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,200 I'm drinking a lot of water. 329 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,700 I'm struggling to get back up. 330 00:22:59,700 --> 00:23:02,160 This lasted what seemed to be 10 weeks, right? 331 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,600 But it was only about four or five minutes, I believe. 332 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,600 Kept going on. 333 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,160 And then I just couldn't get back up to the surface. 334 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,320 It was as if I could see the reflection on the water. 335 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,240 It was like the moon or something was up there. 336 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,720 And it was just beyond reach. 337 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,080 It was like I was struggling to get above the water. 338 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,700 And it was a different world up there. 339 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:29,320 So and my joints had just stopped working. 340 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,400 So I started sinking. 341 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,720 Don't you have some kind of a life jacket on? 342 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:34,720 I did. 343 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,640 I had what's called a special forces life jacket on. 344 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,200 And it only works if you pull the toggle. 345 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,440 So during my time, good question, that actually, during my time of struggling up the top, I 346 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,680 was trying to find the toggle. 347 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,080 But when I had got sucked under the ship, it had all ripped. 348 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,640 So it just it wasn't, it was all torn anyway. 349 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,680 And I couldn't find that. 350 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,200 So as yeah, good question, because it was going through my mind, where is this bloody 351 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,200 jacket? 352 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,200 Right? 353 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,880 So so anyway, I'm sinking and I'm sucking in a lot of water. 354 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,480 My eyes are open blackness because of the water. 355 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,600 And I remember my throat. 356 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:23,200 It was as if I was sucking in this freezing cold liquid that was freezing my throat. 357 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,580 And the panic, the panic was was extreme. 358 00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:30,240 It was the worst it obviously it could ever be. 359 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:40,600 And then this was my first trip to the quantum side was I found this calmness come over me. 360 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:47,840 And it was as if I had been all of a sudden wrapped in this warm blanket. 361 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:54,440 And I felt this warmth and this comfort that the panic, there's no need panicking anymore. 362 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,140 It's just everything's okay. 363 00:24:57,140 --> 00:25:05,240 And so as I was sinking down, I felt as if this black liquid like this, it came over 364 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:13,320 my eyes as if it went from the blackness of the water to a much deeper darkness. 365 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,000 But the calmness throughout that as well. 366 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:26,880 And I went to a place that I can only describe as being a transitional place between life 367 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,040 and quantum or death, whatever you want to call it. 368 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,280 And it was calm. 369 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,480 It was just so calm. 370 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,640 Blackness I didn't see any lights or anything like that. 371 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,640 It was just this calmness and this relief and release. 372 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:50,480 And what I felt at that stage and I only started understanding this when I started telling 373 00:25:50,480 --> 00:26:02,480 the story many years later, I started to understand that I didn't actually exist as Greg Keighley. 374 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:09,760 I'd had experienced things and I had appreciated them in my life, but it's as if Greg Keighley 375 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,760 didn't exist. 376 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,760 Does that make sense? 377 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:19,400 It's like I went to the, I was going to this other side and I didn't have any thoughts 378 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,040 of family, friends or me or what I looked like or anything. 379 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,480 It was just experiences in life. 380 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:34,540 So that seemed to have lasted a long time. 381 00:26:34,540 --> 00:26:36,940 That blackness. 382 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:46,360 And then almost as if someone shone a light in my eyes, I'm on the boat, the first boat 383 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:54,360 of guys and they're all standing above me and I've come to, I've come back to life wherever 384 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:55,360 I was. 385 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:56,360 Right. 386 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:58,800 How did you get to the boat, onto the boat? 387 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:06,440 So here's the, they're going around me and I start sinking, going off on my own journey. 388 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,080 They jump in the water, two of them jump in the water. 389 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,800 They create what's like a human chain arm to leg and they've created this chain underneath 390 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,240 the water and they're thrashing around in the blackness. 391 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,240 And one of the guys whose name was Matt, he grabs the back of my backpack in the blackness, 392 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:31,360 grabs it, pulls himself up to the next guy and they pull the, all of them back up onto 393 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,560 the surface. 394 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,800 The boat stopped and they, there's seven or eight of them, they lift me out of the water, 395 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,100 I'm unconscious wherever I am, into the boat. 396 00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:47,440 And then they all get back in the boat and I come back. 397 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:53,920 So all of a sudden I'm back on the boat and it's as if where I'd just been and what had 398 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,360 just happened didn't happen. 399 00:27:55,360 --> 00:28:00,720 It was, okay, here we are, let's go and let's go on the mission. 400 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,720 Let's get this boat. 401 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,560 I'm saying to the other guys, okay, let's go. 402 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,960 What's going on? 403 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,360 Not knowing what just happened. 404 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,640 So I didn't really acknowledge what had happened. 405 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:17,040 And they're talking saying to the Bain frigate, the ship, to the officers saying he wants 406 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,440 to continue on the mission. 407 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,440 Can we keep going? 408 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,720 And they said, no, no, no, you bring him back. 409 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,360 So my boat comes alongside the one I missed. 410 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:34,800 I stand up, get over from this boat onto the other one, which apparently you shouldn't 411 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,120 do and I'll talk to that, talk to you about that in a second. 412 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:45,240 Because remembering that all my blood had left my extremities and gathered around my 413 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,160 organs to try and keep them going for as long as possible. 414 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:55,240 So when you have what's called hypothermia and your body temperature drops, this is what 415 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,960 your blood does. 416 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:04,080 So getting up, moving around creates the blood to leave the organs and get back to the extremities, 417 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:09,680 your hands and your feet, and usually you would drop dead from shock because the blood 418 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,160 then leaves it. 419 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,240 Your body goes into shock and you die. 420 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,120 However, this didn't happen to me. 421 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,120 I was totally oblivious to all the safety procedures. 422 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,120 And I'm let's go get this ship because that's how you're trained. 423 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:29,760 I didn't even know that I'd screwed up the mission, which I suffered for later. 424 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,480 I got ridiculed for many years after that. 425 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,360 But I just thought, OK, we've got to keep going. 426 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:42,080 So the boat comes alongside, they launch, they winch it back up to the ship. 427 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,520 I climb over the side and there's all these officers there, male and female, and they 428 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:53,160 throw me into the wardroom, which is their main room, like their lounge, and they've 429 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,760 created an emergency area there. 430 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:04,280 And they've taken my temperature and my body temperature was 34 degrees Celsius. 431 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,120 Now normally we sit at 37 degrees Celsius. 432 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,680 I don't know what temperature that is in Fahrenheit. 433 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:18,080 To Fahrenheit is 93.2 degrees. 434 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:26,120 So you were a good five plus degrees in Fahrenheit lower than you should be. 435 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,360 So they're obviously stressing about this. 436 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,200 And so they start taking off all my gear. 437 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:44,320 And then comes my next experience where I just drop to the ground and become unresponsive. 438 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,000 So that's what they see. 439 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,920 What happened with me is I don't remember falling to the ground. 440 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:58,640 All of a sudden I transitioned straight back to where I was in that blackness. 441 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:06,800 But this time I see, I feel, I didn't really, yeah, I could see silhouettes. 442 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,080 I close my eyes, I can go back there because this is what I do now. 443 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,560 I do a lot of hypnotherapy and unconscious coaching. 444 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,000 So I can close my eyes and go back there. 445 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:25,680 And I see the silhouettes of a lot of figures and they may have been 12 or 13 of them, almost 446 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,080 in a line. 447 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:37,340 And they're pointing away from me toward, past them, towards this other dark darkness. 448 00:31:37,340 --> 00:31:41,360 And I could feel what they were saying. 449 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,680 They were so excited. 450 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:53,120 There was such excitement there as if I was coming back from being away. 451 00:31:53,120 --> 00:32:05,280 And I felt this overwhelming love of just, it's hard to explain, but I felt this overwhelming 452 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,360 love that I'm finally back where I should be. 453 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,800 You know what I mean? 454 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,440 It's like, thank you, Greg didn't exist. 455 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,080 It was like I said before, same thing. 456 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,360 I didn't exist in this life. 457 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,360 I didn't see my body. 458 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,320 I didn't see the people in it. 459 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:25,920 I just felt these entities, they're very big, very tall. 460 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,240 And they were from somewhere else, not from this life. 461 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,040 I just had no connection with this life at all. 462 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,680 I started getting, like I was drifting towards them. 463 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,040 There was no control, as I mentioned at the start of this. 464 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,000 I was just going towards them. 465 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,640 And there was just such intense love. 466 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,840 It wasn't inside me. 467 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,560 It was sort of all around me. 468 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,280 It was everywhere. 469 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:52,240 And it was like they were applauding and clapping and saying, yeah, come with us, come back, 470 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,000 come back. 471 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,280 And I was just going in that direction. 472 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,600 Then I start hearing a voice. 473 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,300 And the voice was so soothing. 474 00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:09,200 And I might get a bit emotional here every time I talk about this voice. 475 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:16,600 It was a voice that was saying, it's OK, you can come back now. 476 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,640 Sorry, I get a bit emotional. 477 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,800 So every time I talk about it, I can hear it. 478 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,640 And it's, you can come back to us now, come back. 479 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,880 And it was so soft and so much love in this voice. 480 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,640 But it wasn't in the direction that they were leading me. 481 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:44,080 It was in over mountains and mountains and mountains of distance away. 482 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,080 And there wasn't mountains. 483 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,080 There wasn't light. 484 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,660 There was just darkness. 485 00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:51,160 And I felt myself pause. 486 00:33:51,160 --> 00:34:03,600 And that voice just was so amazingly attractive to me and loving to me that it just got louder 487 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,600 and closer. 488 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,680 And it kept repeating over and over. 489 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,160 It's OK, darling was coming in. 490 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,520 Darling, it's OK, you can come back. 491 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,440 And sorry, I'm about to cry as I'm saying this. 492 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,600 And it was so intense. 493 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:30,360 And all of a sudden, I start feeling some things in my body. 494 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,080 And I'm feeling a stroking on my right hand, and that voice was just over and over. 495 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:42,480 And it actually was a female officer that was talking to me and guiding me back. 496 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,320 It was just amazing. 497 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:52,040 And as I felt her, it was almost as if it was on my right side because she was holding 498 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,080 my right hand. 499 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:59,280 And I looked over to the other side of my left and I saw all those entities there, the 500 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,480 figures. 501 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:09,920 And they were just standing there, not disappointed, but almost as if they just understood it's 502 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,400 OK. 503 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:17,680 And so I come back and I open my eyes and there's this lady where she's got a mask over 504 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,680 her face. 505 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,160 She had a hat on. 506 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:29,200 She was dressed in scrubs, like blue sort of, I don't know what they wear in theatres 507 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,520 and stuff, but she wore in the Navy ship. 508 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,560 And she's kept saying to me, it's OK, darling, you're here now, you're here, you're back. 509 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:45,840 And slowly, when I regained consciousness and could understand where I was, I was actually 510 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:52,680 lying on the floor and they put over a plastic blanket on me that was pumping in warm air 511 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,040 to try and bring my body temperature back. 512 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:02,960 And so this took a while and my body temperature came back and they said, are you OK? 513 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,960 And I said, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. 514 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:12,160 So I went back down to my rack, my bed, my bunk and lay down. 515 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,000 I just strapped yourself in because the ship was going up so high with the waves and then 516 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,880 come crashing down that you had to strap yourself into the bunk. 517 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,520 And I remember thinking what just happened? 518 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,200 Like that was quite bizarre. 519 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,500 What was all that about? 520 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:35,320 And it was as if it was something I'd read in a book or maybe watched on a movie very 521 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,320 briefly. 522 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,120 But it seemed to have lasted a long time. 523 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:44,760 OK, let me ask you a couple of questions and we'll go on to what happened after this voice 524 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:51,440 that you heard that you described is really calm and soothing. 525 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,920 Was that the woman's voice the whole time or was it more of like a voice from God at 526 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,800 some point or was it her just coming through to wherever you were? 527 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,640 Yeah, perfect question. 528 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,360 So that was her coming through. 529 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:11,560 I felt there was no voices in that transition stage. 530 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:18,880 It was just feelings, feelings of welcome home, feelings of excitement. 531 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,720 Yes, you know, we can be together again. 532 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:27,640 And it was all of the entities there, but it was something so much bigger as well. 533 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:35,040 So it felt like I had returned home to a massive family gathering and they were all excited. 534 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:41,680 And it was like the big grandpa at the top of the head of the table was there and everyone 535 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,680 else. 536 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,760 But it was there was no it wasn't language. 537 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:55,200 It was just this feeling of absolute acceptance and her voice pierced through. 538 00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,800 And did you recognize any of those beings or was it all through this feeling? 539 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:06,160 All through this feeling and the beings were not from this life. 540 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:13,240 It just it was as if it may have been some of them may have been because I do past life 541 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,440 regression with clients now. 542 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,520 So I understand that it may have been from different times on this planet, but it was 543 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,160 also from other places. 544 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:30,080 So if we understand that that Hubble telescope takes photographs of hundreds of billions 545 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:36,800 of galaxies around us, you can understand that we've been other places as well. 546 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:44,100 And I felt that I could connect with them and they were from other places. 547 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,100 Not here. 548 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,440 Does that make sense? 549 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,980 Yes, it does. 550 00:38:47,980 --> 00:38:49,960 And were they did they fit? 551 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:55,140 And I know you're trying to figure out how to interpret all these feelings, but you said 552 00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:56,760 it felt like coming home. 553 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:03,840 So did they feel like family or like some kind of angelic beings that you didn't know 554 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,520 or you somehow knew them? 555 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,520 Definitely. 556 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,520 I definitely knew them. 557 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,520 I definitely knew them. 558 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,520 Okay. 559 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:11,520 I definitely knew them. 560 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,160 It was and it was from other times that I knew them from, but not this life. 561 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:22,760 So it was other planets, other beings wherever, but it was definitely a connection there. 562 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,240 But it wasn't only the connection with those ones there. 563 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:26,880 Do you know what I mean? 564 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,600 I felt like I was connected to everything. 565 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,160 Much bigger than them. 566 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:39,360 Much but they were there as like the welcoming party at the start. 567 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:48,520 And it gave me huge calmness, huge understanding and acceptance. 568 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:55,280 And many of us can become fearful of death or transitioning to that other side. 569 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:01,960 But after that experience, I understood that there's just no hatred there. 570 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,960 There's no ego. 571 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,960 There's nothing. 572 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,680 There's just intense love. 573 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:15,720 And so I've become quite calm with everything now and understand that this experience and 574 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:24,320 so many others after that was all happened for a reason, which is my purpose to understand. 575 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,080 And now I do what I do. 576 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,520 But it was there was no voices. 577 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:43,240 It was much it was much more sophisticated and complex on all feeling and emotion. 578 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:51,520 The voice that I heard was her cutting through all of that coming from a different direction. 579 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,800 And I suppose if just talking about it now, because we're talking about putting a fair 580 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:03,720 bit of energy into this, it was as if that's all I because I spent because I'm 54. 581 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:10,720 At the time this happened, which was quite 20 years ago, I'd say I was 34 years old. 582 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:16,200 At the time it happened, all I knew was language so I could relate to it. 583 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:22,880 And it was as if, oh, OK, there's something I can relate to. 584 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:29,000 And so I sort of felt like I was following what I already knew instead of what's all 585 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,000 this feeling stuff. 586 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,000 You know what I mean? 587 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,320 And so it probably gave me more confidence to come back to her voice rather than going 588 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,240 where I was going. 589 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:44,480 So I think you might have answered something there for me. 590 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,520 I felt like I wasn't in control at all. 591 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,560 But just talking about it, maybe this is that's what brought me back was the fact that I felt 592 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,520 familiar with a voice. 593 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,920 And that's why I chose to come back. 594 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,400 That's a that's really opened my mind up to something there. 595 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,160 Well, I think that's so beautiful. 596 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,080 The feelings of welcome home. 597 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,320 And that means something different to everybody. 598 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,120 But let's picture what the very best meaning of that could be. 599 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,600 And that was all that was. 600 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:23,920 It was just all the very best of everything that you haven't even experienced happiness 601 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,920 in this life. 602 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,880 The experience of joy and happiness and such intense love. 603 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,440 And you know, when you think of someone that you could not live without and you have that 604 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:41,200 swelling in your heart, it was like that, but magnified a million times more because 605 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,240 I felt I was connected with everything out there that felt like that. 606 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:54,440 So it's wherever it is and whether we all go out there together and hang around the 607 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,880 same area, I don't know. 608 00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:01,240 But it's nothing to be afraid of. 609 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:02,560 But we're here for a purpose. 610 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,640 We're here for a reason, and it's what I found after all of this. 611 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,360 And we'll talk about it in a second if we've got time, if we still got some time on what 612 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:19,360 our purpose is and why we go through such significant challenges, depression, anxiety, 613 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:27,480 happiness is because that part of us outside of this is my understanding anyway, outside 614 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:34,360 of this life is this is what we want us to experience. 615 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,340 And it all started making sense after that. 616 00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:42,720 So if you could encapsulate it into a nutshell, a one or two sentences, why would you say 617 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,160 we are here on earth? 618 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,160 What's our purpose? 619 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:52,040 Well what I found, take a couple more than one or two sentences, but what I found was 620 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,640 that time didn't exist. 621 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,680 There was no time out there. 622 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,160 We've created time here. 623 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:03,800 Yeah, the sun, the moon, it goes around this world, but out there, there's no world that's 624 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:04,960 much bigger than that. 625 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,600 There's universal connection. 626 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,640 So it was if time did not exist, it was just love and happiness. 627 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:18,800 I think we come in here to experience limitations. 628 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,880 And during those limitations, or the limited time I should say, is we need to experience 629 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,960 whatever we've chosen to experience prior to coming here. 630 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:34,120 So the challenges, we say good times and bad times. 631 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,840 Now I don't see anything as being a bad. 632 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:44,160 It's just a challenge that I am here this time to try and overcome. 633 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:54,920 And then it's allowed me to turn my entire vision around on positive and negative, where 634 00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:00,560 negativity doesn't exist if I don't want it to. 635 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:08,720 I can create, and then I've studied a lot of quantum theory, quantum mechanics, where 636 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:18,880 we are creators at that state before this life. 637 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,800 The negativity comes from other people, other environments, whatever has been created by 638 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,400 man. 639 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,560 Beyond that, negativity doesn't exist. 640 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,560 They're just challenges. 641 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,120 They're things for us to learn from. 642 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:38,600 And I understand we're here to learn, we're here to love, and we're here to teach. 643 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:45,480 So to sum it up in a couple of sentences, it's a bit hard, but I just found that we've 644 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:46,600 chosen this. 645 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,600 This is why we're here. 646 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,560 We're here to experience it. 647 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:57,280 What we think is real is only it's like we're in a fish bowl living out the life of a fish, 648 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:06,120 where there's bigger worlds outside of it, or this bigger part of energy, universal energy, 649 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,400 and is outside of it, all looking in, just seeing what we're doing. 650 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,640 You know what I mean? 651 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,640 Yeah. 652 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,640 Okay. 653 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,160 Oh, I could spend a whole other hour with you, and we may come back to you in a few 654 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,640 months and do that. 655 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,040 This has been really enjoyable. 656 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,800 I want to hear just sort of the postlude on what happened. 657 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:32,660 So just for people, if they're kind of scratching their heads going, wait, did this really happen? 658 00:46:32,660 --> 00:46:38,780 So Greg's on this Navy ship, which runs over him. 659 00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:40,640 How big is this ship, roughly? 660 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,720 How many feet long, meters long? 661 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:44,720 I don't know. 662 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:46,640 Maybe 120 meters long. 663 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,120 Maybe it's like a frigate. 664 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,120 It's a Navy frigate. 665 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,600 So it's like, you know, you've got big ships. 666 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:55,320 It's got a big gun on the front and it's got torpedo tubes outside and all that sort of 667 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,320 stuff. 668 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,320 Yeah. 669 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,320 Yeah. 670 00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,840 So like nearly 400 feet long. 671 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,600 So that runs you over and then your rescue boats decide to run you over to just for good 672 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,760 measure and you survive all that. 673 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,580 They get you on board. 674 00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:13,880 They warm you up. 675 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,180 And I would think they would keep you in some kind of a sick bay hospital on the ship thing 676 00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:19,360 and watch you all night. 677 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,840 But they just, hey, go to your bunk, strap yourself in. 678 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,940 You're good to go. 679 00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:35,000 And then the next day they probably helicoptered you back to Australia and put a drink with 680 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,600 an umbrella in it by you and said, hey, enjoy the next few weeks. 681 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:40,600 Right? 682 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:41,600 Is that what happened? 683 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:42,600 Oh, no, no, no, no, no. 684 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,600 I'll jump in quickly there. 685 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,060 No, actually, six hours later, I was in a helicopter jumping out of the helicopter landing 686 00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:52,160 on another ship and we took that ship and we sailed it back. 687 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,440 So it was as if nothing happened. 688 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,680 It was just a story. 689 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,520 And then I went through my military career. 690 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:01,520 I left. 691 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,520 I joined the police. 692 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,400 I went through a lot of trauma, I suppose, as a policeman. 693 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:19,360 But what I found is what I found at that time at that NBE is that when your body goes under 694 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,760 stress, everything slowed down. 695 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:29,560 Now, whether I had experienced that and connected with it at the time of my NDE, which then 696 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:35,160 allowed me to use it as a policeman, everything would slow down. 697 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:40,580 And I'd be able to retain all the information, who was where, what was happening, and have 698 00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:45,620 massive descriptions on what people look like, their skin color, their eye color, whatever, 699 00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:48,480 because my world would slow down. 700 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:56,600 And I was becoming more open to perceive what was going on around me. 701 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,600 So that was OK. 702 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:58,600 Went through that. 703 00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:59,600 Left police. 704 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:00,600 Got into real estate. 705 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:01,600 Did really, really well. 706 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:08,440 But then all of a sudden, I was driving into a car park, an underground car park, where 707 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,180 it gets dark. 708 00:49:11,180 --> 00:49:16,220 And we're at the little boom gate to pay your money and go in. 709 00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:18,360 And I had that same feeling. 710 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,960 I flashed back. 711 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,840 And that blackness, that black liquid starts coming over my eyes again. 712 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:31,800 And I start going through the same experience 12 years later. 713 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,720 And so I panic. 714 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,400 Obviously, I'm dying again. 715 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,640 And it's as if I was reliving it. 716 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,320 And I went through the fight, flight, freeze mode. 717 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,280 I thought this time I'm getting the hell out. 718 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,400 I leave my car there and I run for my life. 719 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:54,280 And then this manifested and got worse and more and happened more and more and more. 720 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,560 And it got so bad after so many years. 721 00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:01,480 I was going to psychologists, trying to work out why I was reliving this moment and getting 722 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,480 triggered. 723 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,880 And it got so bad, I couldn't enter into shopping centers with my kids. 724 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,760 If I did not see an exit, I couldn't go. 725 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:16,480 And that would breed self-doubt, anxiety, depression, suicidal, trying to escape it. 726 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:23,080 And they'd say, oh, dad's having another incident. 727 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,080 And it was like... 728 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,080 Everything that goes with PTSD we're experiencing. 729 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,160 Yeah. 730 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:34,760 And it wasn't until I discovered unconscious mind coaching and hypnotherapy that fixed 731 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,960 it so quickly. 732 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,840 That's why I do what I do now. 733 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,240 Because I got able to fix me. 734 00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:43,880 I studied intensely. 735 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,360 And now that's what I do. 736 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,280 I help... 737 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,920 Originally started with veterans, but now civilians, everyone I'm helping all around 738 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:57,680 the world, release the emotions that they attach to those events. 739 00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,000 Because that's all it is. 740 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,040 Eric, there's no good and bad that happens in the world. 741 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,200 There's just things that happen. 742 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,120 We make them good or bad by the emotions we attach to them. 743 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:14,600 So if they're bad and they come back and they're haunting me, I can go back today, well after 744 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:20,840 the event, unconsciously, because it remembers everything we've been through, you're unconscious. 745 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,440 And we release the emotions attached to it and it no longer bothers us today. 746 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:33,680 PTSD, depression, anxiety, self-doubt, toxic relationships, all these things I now understand. 747 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:39,800 And so that was why I had to go through what I went through, is for me to go through the 748 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:50,040 stages and steps to now be able to assist humans release all the stuff from their past 749 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,320 so they can have a happier future. 750 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,120 So if anyone's listening to this and says, well, why am I going through all this crap? 751 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,520 Why is so many bad things happening to me? 752 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,440 That's for a reason. 753 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,520 Look at what the reason is. 754 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,920 Look at a positive. 755 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,200 Turn it into a positive. 756 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,320 And then you can start living your true purpose because everyone goes through something different, 757 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,440 don't they? 758 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:22,680 And if I could sum it up, that's what I would suggest is that everyone's here for a reason, 759 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,080 for a purpose. 760 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:29,560 If we stop looking at as bad things and negatively as if why is this happening, even after the 761 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,360 years of PTSD and all that stuff, now I can help people that are going through the same 762 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,360 thing. 763 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:41,160 So whatever you've lived, Eric, or anyone that's listening, there's a reason that's 764 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:42,160 happening. 765 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,160 Look for what it is and you might be able to help others that are going through worse 766 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,560 than you. 767 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,960 So I hope you enjoyed my story. 768 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,160 Oh, my goodness. 769 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,160 It was amazing. 770 00:52:55,160 --> 00:53:00,160 I was on the edge of my seat and I could literally picture what was going on. 771 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,160 You are good at telling it. 772 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,640 Thank you. 773 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:08,600 I think now because I'm so connected with that on that unconscious level, it all makes 774 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,600 sense now. 775 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,040 And so I can dissect it without getting too emotional about it because I release those 776 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,040 emotions. 777 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:21,200 I do remember that voice though that brought me back and that's the same thing that still 778 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,480 gets me choked up when I tell the story. 779 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:29,480 But I've so enjoyed spending time with you and your listeners. 780 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:34,040 I'm always here to help everyone if they want to reach out. 781 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:39,480 We will put in our show notes how to get a hold of you if anybody wants to. 782 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,520 And they can find those attached to this episode. 783 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,720 And Greg, thanks again. 784 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:45,760 I wish we had another hour to spend with you. 785 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,080 We'll do it down the road sometime. 786 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,680 But awesome time tonight. 787 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:51,680 Thank you. 788 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,320 Eric, it's an absolute pleasure. 789 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,320 Thank you so much. 790 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,520 Sending you lots of love, love and energy. 791 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:57,520 That's all it's about now. 792 00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,520 And that's what I understand. 793 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,520 I love it and I need it. 794 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:07,520 Thank you. 795 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,520 If you have had a round trip death experience, we would love to hear about it. 796 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,240 Send an email to eric at roundtripdeath.com. 797 00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:19,560 And lastly, if you have found this program uplifting, if it's given you just a little 798 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:24,760 more hope in the future, share it with a friend, hit that follow button and take a few seconds 799 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,920 to write us a review. 800 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:31,880 Until next time, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and the 801 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:57,880 next.