From the time that they pronounced me that was
a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then
they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I
could see people screaming and crying But I didn't
realize that was actually my physical body because
I was somewhere else The only thing that I could
feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace
there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was
greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back
home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.
Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody.
And please give a warm welcome to our very special
guest today, Julie Clough. How are you, Julie?
I'm great. Thanks so much for having me, Eric.
You're welcome. And I know you're in the Nashville
area. And before we jump into your experience,
which is going to be very tender. I'll just put
it that way. Tell us a little bit about you.
Who's Julie? Well, that's a really good question.
It seems like it shifts and changes every 10
years, but today I am working as a spiritual
medium. I'm a grandma, a mom. I actually have
12 grandchildren. Can you believe that? Like,
where does the time go? How does this happen?
I don't know, but I enjoy. Painting I don't get
to do it very much anymore. I love playing the
piano I love playing tennis things like that.
So yeah, that's who I am Okay, when we're done
you and I are gonna show photos to each other
of our grandchildren. Okay, there you go I only
have 11 but we'll try to catch you at 12 here
Well, two of my grandchildren two of my grandchildren
are adopted. So that's kind of fun. Yeah All
right, well I want to jump into it and you mentioned
being a medium. That's not something we dig into
much on this show. There's a lot of other podcasts
for that. But I find it very interesting that
a lot of people that have had NDEs, STEs, other
kinds of experiences, related experiences, often
come away with the term that I like as spiritual
gifts of some sort or another. Well, we'll hit
the medium thing a little bit later on because
it's related. Yeah, it is very much So yeah,
okay. Well go ahead and take us back not quite
20 years I hope it's not too hard to talk about
it was a very rough day and a rough time But
go ahead and tell our listeners what you went
through Yeah, so what you're referring to is
on Mother's Day In 2007, I was traveling with
my three youngest children across the country.
We were traveling from Texas, where we lived
at the time, traveling east to visit grandparents.
We were having a good trip, and about halfway
through the afternoon, I suddenly woke up in
the median between the eastbound and westbound
lanes of a highway. I had never felt tired, but
I had fallen asleep at the wheel. And when I
tried to bring my SUV back up on the road, the
vehicle began to roll. And ultimately what happened
was my two youngest children, who were David,
eight, he was eight at the time, and my daughter
Carrie, who was 12, or 10 at the time, sorry,
they were thrown from the car. And ultimately
I found out later that day that they had passed
away because they were thrown from the car. My
12 year old son was in the front seat next to
me. Uh, he was injured. I was injured, but it
was very minor, my injuries, but I was in total
shock, physically, emotionally in every way.
In fact, when the car stopped rolling and I,
I didn't recognize this until later, but I had
been knocked out by the rolling of the car. And
so my first conscious memory was having consciousness,
but not being able to see anything. But I knew,
you know, it was pretty quick after that, that
my eyesight came back. I realized that Carrie
and David had been thrown from the car. They
were what felt like a football field away from
the car. And we were taken to two different hospitals
Ambulances showed up and they took my son James
and I to one hospital and they took Carrie and
David to a different hospital So I laid in the
hospital not knowing whether they had lived or
died But I want to go back just a little bit
because as the car started rolling Spirit spoke
to me. I had a voice in my head that said bring
your arm in I have no idea how I paid attention
to that voice, but I did. I brought my arm in
and it saved my arm. I learned about two people
within a couple of years who had lost their arm
in a rollover car accident. And so then the main
question comes up, well, why did that voice help
me save my arm, but didn't save my children?
And that was a question that I had to really
struggle with. for a while there. As my memories
came back of actually being knocked out and during
the accident, when those memories started to
reform, I realized that my consciousness during
that time that I was knocked out, my consciousness
rose above the accident and in a near death like
experience where I was with my two children as
they departed and I don't have a lot of memory
of that so I can't really go into it further
than that other than there was this feeling of
you know that's that's the overarching experience
is this feeling of peace every time spirit touched
my experience so even when I when my memory goes
back to that voice that said bring your arm in
There was an urgency, there wasn't panic. I was
in panic. I was in urgency because, of course,
the car is rolling. But the voice was not urgent.
It was not panicked. It was very peaceful and
very calm. And my experience of remembering rising
above that accident and having this knowing,
having this remembrance that we had made this
plan before we came here, that they would be
departing. Very young that is filled with peace
as well, which makes no sense Then when I was
taken to the hospital I was laying on a striker
board which is that stiff board that they they
put you on so that they can Do the exams and
so forth make sure there's no internal injuries
or nothing that's broken that I did have a broken
wrist sprain shoulders that kind of thing, but
nothing major but as I laid on that striker board
and just again like My humanness was in complete
panic, complete overwhelm. It's just hard to
explain all the confusion and the overwhelm and
the terror of the experience. And at that point,
not knowing whether my children were alive or
dead, I would be asking. And that would be the
worst part. That would be the most terrifying
part of the whole thing. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well,
first, let me just say I'm sorry that you had
to go through something like that. Yeah, it was
horrific and your other your 12 year old son
was okay. He was and that was part of the miracles
that happened that day, which is so odd to say
because we didn't have the miracle of Carrie
and David surviving the accident, but we did
have the miracle of the surgeon who actually
pioneered the surgery that our son needed because
his leg had been broken, severely broken. The
surgeon that pioneered the procedure he needed
was there at the hospital that day. And I remember
the attendance and the nurses, I could hear their
conversations like, why is he here? So it just
really felt like such a miracle that he was there
that day, because it was a holiday, it was Mother's
Day, and it was a Sunday. So they didn't really
understand why he was there that day. But I know
he was there for us, and so I'm really grateful
for that. But as I laid there, not knowing whether
my kids were alive or not, I did have this very
strong feeling come over me. In the car, like,
you know, as we've landed, I'm seeing all the
destruction. I'm in all the panic. But there
was a part of me that knew that they were either
both here or they were both gone. And ultimately,
of course, we found out they were both gone.
But as I laid in that emergency room, I had what
I can only describe as an out of body type experience
where I was transported into this field. of flowers,
like it was a mountain meadow, and there were
distant mountains. And I'm originally from Florida,
so I don't know why the imagery of mountains
were significant in that. I don't have any idea.
But Jesus, who I call Geshewa now, was standing
with me in this field, holding my hands, looking
into my eyes. Like we were standing face to face,
and there were no words exchanged. It was just
this immense peace and so i was going from the
panic in the emergency room into this. Peace
the best way i've been able to explain this is
eric is like if you're in a movie theater and
there's this whole war scene going on and then
it immediately cuts into this peaceful like love
scene i mean that's how stark it was that's how
immersive it was. And I had that experience and
I was almost like going back and forth between
this valley with Yeshua and this panic in the
emergency room. But yeah, it wasn't long after
that that I learned that my children had passed.
Tell me more about that time with Jesus and the
valley and the holding hands. You felt peace.
What else did you feel and did you see much?
It wasn't like I was looking around, but I just
had this awareness of my surroundings. If that
makes any sense at all, I had awareness of my,
my surroundings. I had an awareness of the wildflowers.
I had an awareness of the mountains and the distance
that were all the way around. But it was my attention
was completely surrendered to this. Peace and
love and compassion that I was receiving from
Yeshua. That's it's undescribable and it was
an experience that informed my next three years
of Hell I can only describe it that way because
I was going through just self -hatred PTSD just
severe grief Complicated grief is you know as
they call it. I mean tremendous That's where
the self -hatred was coming from Saw I was in
so much pain I saw the people around me in so
much pain because of the passing of David and
Carrie and All I could see was I'm the cause
of this. I'm the cause of this yeah, it was it
was horrendous, but having that infusion of peace
and compassion And you know, as I'm saying this,
like what's coming to my mind is that when we
experience something really hard like this, like
I have a conscious memory of having that experience
with Yeshua. We are all surrounded by heavenly
beings, angelic beings, spirit guides, you know,
loved ones who have passed. who are comforting
us and helping us through our really challenging
human experiences, for sure. And that is really
important to remember. And I think that's one
reason why I've been called to share my story
and share my experiences is to give that perspective
of hope. But yeah, I think that's one of the
many reasons that I've been, you know, in this
position of sharing my story, which came even
the fact that I'm sharing my story came in unusual
ways, but it was at the three year mark where
I had this profound experience where I was supposed
to do something with this story. But even before
that happened, I was having, there were so many
things that happened, Eric. I get, you know,
there's no way that I could go into everything
that happened, but this experience of losing
the kids was life changing, life altering. And
at one point during my grief, my two oldest daughters
were off at college. And at this point I have
two teenage sons at home. You know, I'm the mom
of six, three from a first marriage. three from
the second marriage. We're all living together,
one Brady Bunch family. And then, you know, our
two youngest children pass in this car accident.
But my two Teenage boys at this point, the 12
year old that was in the accident, you know,
it's a couple years later, and then his older
brother. And I remember just feeling so bad because
I was just looking, I was feeling so bad that
they were growing up in such a different household
as teenagers than their older sisters had just
so much condemnation for myself. Like this is
not fair to them. This is not right. And spirit
somehow got through all of that that was going
on in my head and said, Julie, this is their
experience too. And in that in that moment, I
had this understanding again. That this was part
of the plan that this was part of what we had
planned before we came And that this was that
they had agreed to this experience as well. And
yeah for sure They were living in a totally different
household. Let me hit you with some questions
now and Let's pick up right with that right there
with this plan Before we came here. I know every
different religion has different beliefs about
Some kind of a life before we came here or no
life at all before we came here What are your
personal beliefs on that topic and did this experience
teach you more? It absolutely taught me more
a hundred percent taught me more Because you
know as my healing was happening in this during
these three years I was having these experiences
like this one with my sons Realizing that there
was more going on here than just there was an
accident and they died there was just so much
more going on and and that the three -year mark
I had this healing experience and then after
the healing experience and I'm I'm telling this
because this is part of the answer to your question
and how I was I Will say educated through the
process of this life plan, educated through the
process of grief and healing and so forth. Because
after my grief healing, after the darkness lifted,
and I was more in touch with this idea that there
was more going on, then I started to have these
experiences where I'd wake up in the morning
and this thought would come that I was supposed
to share my story. And I would dismiss it immediately.
Eric, I'm like, nobody wants to hear my story.
It's awful. Nobody wants to hear it. That makes
no sense. I would dismiss it immediately. But
in 2012, I was introduced to someone. We'd gone
to lunch. My mom had some friends that she wanted
to introduce me to and we'd gone to lunch. During
this lunch I learned about this band story and
he had gone through some challenges and now he
was helping people through challenges that he
like he had gone through and in the course of
this lunch my mom turned to me and she said Julie
share your story and I was like no like I mean
I was in such resistance to that idea I can like
I could just I can feel it now like things like
no. But I did, I just briefly shared that my
children had passed and you know, some of the
miracles that had actually accompanied the experience
and the miracle of my healing and so forth. And
as we were leaving that restaurant, that man
stopped me and he put his hand on my arm and
he looked in my eyes and he said, you're supposed
to do something with this. And in that moment,
I couldn't deny that it was like lightning struck.
I felt it at this deep visceral level. And if
you ask me now, I feel like this was, you know,
I would say like, it was like God was standing
in front of me saying, Julia, you're supposed
to do something with this. But it was like my
soul. My soul was speaking to me like this is
this is why you are here. This is why this happened.
I don't think we can. Simply tie up in a bow
exactly why everything happens, but it was a
big part of what happened and why it happened
and and I do feel at a very Deep level that this
was part of the plan before we came and and I
have this understanding that I was given a choice
Carrie would only live for so many years David
would only live for so many years and do you
want to be the mom? under those circumstances
And I chose and I said, yes. And so I feel like
it's, it's a strange thing to say, but I don't
feel like I missed out on the rest of their life
because they came here to be here for a short
period of time to open up a lot of people through
their story, through their interactions with
the people with the fan, with our family, with
their friends and so forth. And so, yeah, I had
a choice. I could be their mom in physical form
for eight and 10 years or not be their mom. And
I chose to be their mom. And I remember that
every day. And I stay connected with them on
a regular basis. What a blessing. How do you
stay connected with them? Over time, I learned
to communicate with them. You know, in the beginning,
it was having experiences. For example, my daughter,
my oldest daughter was married by the end of
that year. So they died in 2007. And at the end
of the year, she She was married and at her wedding
I felt them there with us at the one year mark.
Our girls, our two oldest daughters who were
off of college came home, surprised us for the
weekend on Mother's Day and we sat on a church
pew and I felt this like unity of our family.
I felt my children who were here and I felt my
children who were on the other side in that experience
of us all being there on the church pew and it
like reconnected me to how grateful I am to be
a mother. in this like profound way that's beyond
just our human gratitude, but it was a very,
very powerful experience. It makes sense to me.
It's easy for me to believe. those kinds of things.
Can you tell me a little bit more about the voice
that told you to bring your arm in? Was it kind
of hanging out the window or was it just bring
it in tight to you? Do you feel like it was an
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It was very distinct, very specific. Was it external
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into it, it has a masculine feel to it. And again,
it was accompanied by peace, which makes absolutely
no sense because of the circumstances of the
accident. But I'd had a voice from spirit in
the past. It wasn't the first time that that
had happened for me. Certainly in that type of
experience, it was definitely... But I'd had
an experience, honestly, like 20 years before
where I was woken up in the middle of the night
and given very specific instructions of, you
know, who to go talk to and tell them this and
you're supposed to be here and do this. At the
time I was, I was arguing with spirit. I was
like, no, that makes no sense. And they were
like, no, it does. And this is why. And I'd had
this whole conversation in my twenties. And I
was married at the time and I woke up my husband
and I said, I just had this experience. I've
got to tell you about it because I'm going to
wake up and I'm going to be like dismissing it.
But I literally went and did what that voice
told me to do. And it was such confirmation that
it wasn't just my imagination or something that
I dreamed, but there was some validity to that
voice and what the instructions were. Yeah, I'd
had that experience off and on over the years,
but I was very much in a religious construct
where I looked at everything through a religious
lens and I, you know, interpreted things through
a religious lens. That voice that came to me
that told me to bring my arm in, I mean, I remembered
it. Immediately it wasn't something that came
back to me later. I just I remembered it immediately
You know the cars rolling the windows are being
Busted out and crashing the whole thing right?
There's a lot of noise Mm -hmm, and I don't remember
any of that because I think that like I said
I was knocked out pretty early in the process
But it was more of like I just bring your arm
in tight And I have no idea how I had the presence
of mind to do that because that must have happened
in within a split second. Okay. Here's a hard
question because I'm going to ask you to do something
that you said you couldn't do. You said you could
not describe the peace and the love, but I want
you to try anyway. You know, my gosh, I'm like
feeling so much emotion right now and just going
there because I was woken up. It's probably been
two or three years ago now. I was woken up to
this piece one morning and it was not just like
an emotion. It was a physical experience. And
that's why it's so hard to describe is because
we don't typically have peace at the depth that
it feels physical. We have a feeling around it.
We have an emotional emotion around it. It's
all encompassing. It's all just like There's
nothing else. It's in that space where I'm face
to face with Jesus with Yeshua, you know, whatever
name that you want to put in that space, but
it was all encompassing there was no Accident
during that space there was no chaos in that
space It was just like you're in this bubble
of complete security, comfort, love. It's just
all encompassing. I'm not sure if there's any
other words to share that. But thank you for
asking. Let's say I've never felt that and without
having to go through an experience like you did
or another NDE, which people try to explain this
to me all the time. Is there a way that we can
feel even a portion of that here in this life?
Yeah, absolutely. I mean one of the best ways
and I'm sure other people have shared this with
you is just quieting, just having some space.
You know, putting your hand on your heart can
be really, really helpful. There's, you know,
if you've heard of chakras, there's chakras in
the hand. There's our major chakra, center chakra
of our system is our heart chakra. When we put
our hand on that heart chakra, it's almost like
we're connecting a system. putting our hand on
our heart and closing our eyes and taking some
deep breaths and it's it's like a meditation
and it's it's something that we can tap into
when we put our hand on our heart we're asking
ourselves to drop into the heart and come out
of the head and our mind is where all the Chaos
and the activity is our mind is a tool and we
we learn to use our mind in more Helpful ways
as we meditate as we journal as we do these different
practices that can help us be more balanced in
our human experience But we're we're here to
have a human experience. We're here You know,
we're not here to sit in lotus position all day
long and with our hand on our heart and you know
chant or hum, like those are beautiful experiences
that reconnect us with who we really are as light
beings, as souls. All right, we're going to shift
gears just a little bit. And you had mentioned
something about angels earlier. Please take us
down that road for a minute. Yeah, it's interesting
when my first book came out, Miracles in the
Darkness, was still very entrenched in religion
and you know kind of seeing everything from those
views and was seeing all the miracles but I wasn't
connected to the angelic realm and then I Started
to see 12s everywhere and eventually my daughter
Carrie who you know, she's on the other side
told me that she was the one that was sending
12s to me, but it just, it opened me to angel
numbers and signs. And Eric, I was not a person
to like look for things like that. I was, you
know, math was my favorite subject. I'm like
linear, you know, that's all, that's all nice
for everybody, but that didn't mean anything
to me. But I was seeing so many 12s, I could
not ignore it anymore. So I started looking up
like angel numbers and I started exploring what
all that meant. And in the process, I started,
I, you know, I'd learned to communicate with
my kids. I'd learned to communicate with my brother
who passed away, you know, many years ago and,
um, through a series of, you know, feeling them
near and then being able to just kind of talk
to them, writing notes and having them write
back to me and so forth. But the angel thing
was really interesting. I wasn't talking about
it at all, but I had this, we were in Mexico,
my husband and I were in Mexico on a trip and
we'd gone a whale watching trip and on a little
excursion and we were off the coast of Mexico.
I was frankly grumpy. It was the middle of the
afternoon. We were on a really dumb whale watching
boat. I was really uncomfortable. We weren't
seeing anything. And I was thinking this is literally
in my mind was thinking this is going to be a
dud of a whale watching trip. And I heard, I
heard that voice again that said, Julie, you
have angels. And when I heard that my energy
just lifted and I just, I like, I just knew,
I just knew that the angels were around and I
began to say, and they always are, you know,
sometimes we don't, aren't connected to it, but
it's, they're always there. So I started saying
in my head, like a mantra, thank you for bringing
the angels close, or sorry, thank you for bringing
the whales close to the boat. Thank you for bringing
the boat close to the whales. And as I said that
within 10, 15 minutes we were surrounded by whales.
We literally had whales on the left side, whales
to the front, whales on the right side, a whole
pod of dolphins came and were swimming near us.
And it was, again, it was like this out of body
experience because I was so filled with bliss.
Like that's the only word I can think of. It
was just this magical. magical experience of
having all these whales surrounding our boat,
just bringing so much joy. The energy of it was
otherworldly. The excursion guide said, we need
to get back. It's, you know, it's the end of
the trip. And as he said that the whale started
to swim off and one came up and put his tail
in the air and started. And I don't know what
that behavior is called. And I know they're not.
Consciously like waving goodbye this but that's
what it felt like like this whale just came up
and started Waving goodbye with its tail. It
was just such a beautiful experience and the
next day I received a message to start teaching
about angels and so when I got back from that
trip within a month I had started teaching classes
about angels and connecting with our angels and
that's a big part of what I do today is I want
to bring awareness to the spiritual connection
that we all have to the other side. We all have
angels, we all have guides, we all have loved
ones that are surrounding us who love us and
are bringing us energy and wanting to help us.
But we have to also ask for their help, we have
to invite them in, otherwise they... They're
kind of it's so funny because when I meet with
clients and you know, I'm connecting with their
guides and and I'm like, Oh, your guides are
telling me that you like communicating with it.
And I will see them like, clapping their hands
like that. It's clapping their hands like they
get so excited. When we make that connection.
In fact, I saw someone who Is also medium talking
about something similar the other day and she
said our loved ones want us to know that they're
Just a thought of I mean, this is the way I see
it. They're just a thought away Time and space
on the other side is just so different than it
is here And if I wanted to come see you, Eric,
I would have to get on a plane and I'd have to
fly. And, you know, we'd have to go through all
these mechanisms to be in the same physical space,
but time and space on the other side is very,
very different. And they don't have those types
of limitations. I can be here talking with my
daughter on the other side and another family
member can also be calling on her at the same
time. And it's, it's just. It's hard for us to
understand, but it's, yeah, it's just different.
Yeah. It's sort of like, I mean, everybody asks
at some point, how does God hear everybody's
prayers at the same time? That explains it a
little bit. Now without going into a, you know,
a week long class, I'm gonna have to give you
a limit on this cause big question. How do we
tap into those angels? And the other thing is,
so you mentioned angels guides loved ones. Are
they sometimes the same person or personage or
being? And what's an angel? Is it different than
one of these other things? Too many questions
all in one mouthful. That's okay, because it's
a common question. When we talk about the other
side, I'm giving you my perspective and when
you ask that same question somebody else are
giving their perspective. The reality is. I don't
know exactly i know what i know and it's kind
of like that. That story of the blind man with
the elephant you know what's an elephant and
the one that's holding the air says it's a fan
and the other one holding the tail says it's
a rope and another one you know so they're getting
a different experience so i'm sharing my perspective
on this but my perspective on this is angels
are. Divine presence their divine energy their
large energies. When people see angels objectively
and there are people that see angels objectively
They show up in a form that we can relate to
that in a in like a human type form but they're
really energetic beings They have no gender sometimes
they can show up as a female sometimes as a male,
but they're they're energetic beings powerful,
powerful, energetic beings. And they don't want
to be worshipped, but they want to be acknowledged.
And our guides is a little different because
a lot of times our guides can be ancestors, it
can be specific. Our guides are more people who
have lived on the earth, who understand the earth
experience, and can assist us in the work that
we're doing here. and then we have our you know
we have our family members we have our ancestors
that type of thing so everybody has a team and
so that that's a little excellent does that make
any sense or is that giving clarity to that yeah
i mean there's never going to be 100 % clarity
at in this realm anyway exactly but yeah that
all helps we put the pieces together we get from
here and there and everywhere else before we
go away Can you tell me a little bit more about
David and Carrie? What kind of people were they?
I would love to. And I also want to, I think
I didn't answer your question about how connecting
to the, you know, to the other side and connecting
to our angels. So I want, I want to encompass
all of that. So David. Was Dennis the menace
for those that come from that generation and
know who Dennis the menace was he was full of
life. Everyone loved Davis David. He had this
big smile. He had the big ears. He had he was
playful and he still shows up that way. Very
playful as his mom. I would wonder when he was
going to grow out of the mischief. Because he
was so mischievous but my mother -in -law used
to say his spirit was bigger than his body and
he just couldn't be contained and it was the
truth. He was just this bigger -than -life presence.
My daughter Carrie was just this very tender
-hearted, beautiful little girl. And I mean,
this describes both of them. They just loved
everybody. They didn't meet strangers. They didn't
meet people that they couldn't get along with.
The one thing about Carrie is so often I would
hear from her friends after she passed. And even
today, I still hear from them. And it's been
years. I'll get messages like, I moved into the
neighborhood. And I didn't have any friends and
Carrie befriended me. She was my first friend.
I mean, this is the story I hear over and over
again. She really was so like she would just
wrap her arms around people and just would make
friends with everybody. So that was very much.
Who they were here and very much how they show
up from the other side In that same same way
when I connect with my daughter Carrie Her energy
feels so angelic like it feels very powerful
That on you know on the other side like we had
if we have our personalities here, but when we
go back to the other side It's like we go back
into that understanding of the spirit world that
higher vibration that higher just understanding
of life and when it comes to like Connecting
to our angels. You're the very first thing that
we can do to connect with our angels is to believe
that they're there. That's the biggest thing
that kind of keeps us separated from that. A
lot of people have fear around connecting with
spirit. But we all know what it feels like when
we're in a place that feels I want to just very
briefly share that I had this experience with
a friend's son. I had learned to connect with
my kids on the other side, with my brother on
the other side. And I had a friend whose son,
he was in his twenties, passed away a few years
ago. And it was like about two weeks after his
passing and I got into my car. I was out running
errands. I got into my car and all of a sudden
I just felt like he was there in the car with
me. And when I felt that, I thought, I don't
know what to do with this. But I did the only
thing I could think of. I pulled out my phone
and I just wrote down the messages I was hearing.
And as I wrote down those messages, you know,
again, like I just felt him there. And eventually
I was able to deliver that message. But somebody
asked me, and I wasn't sharing. It wasn't like
I went around Eric and telling everybody, oh,
by the way, this person, you know, showed up.
Like, I didn't know what to do with that. But
I did share it with a couple of people in this
one. person that I shared it with, they said
to me, what did it feel like? And I'm so grateful
for that question because the truth is that it
felt like it felt sacred. And I was so grateful
that that person asked me that question because
then it caused me to drop back into that experience.
And what did it feel like? And it felt sacred.
As I did grief work and I felt people's loved
ones coming into the room It's such a sacred
experience. It's a sacred experience to To witness
other people's Process of grieving and healing.
It's such a sacred experience to connect people
to their loved ones and to their angels and guides
it's it's just beautiful and so that's the That's
the feeling to go into when you're connecting
with the other side is to go into this feeling
of like, you know, I'm only going to connect
with that higher frequency with that higher light.
And that's the purpose and that's the intention.
And that's where my attention goes. Thank you,
Julie. I know some people are going to want to
reach out to you and we'll put your website and
some of your other contact info in the show notes
and description. It looks like you're all over
the place, social media, podcast, etc. So we'll
make it easy for everybody to find you. And if
you take one last minute, I'm going to give you
the final thought here. And that is, if you were
speaking with a grieving parent today, what kind
of message of hope would you have for them? You
know, that's, that's a tough question, because
in the beginning, It's so Disordering challenging.
It's so heavy and in the beginning It's just
like just allow all of it and recognize that
it it just is what it is But things and this
feels trite The emotions and the things that
you're experiencing now will shift and change
and allow it to shift and change And allow yourself,
when you have those moments where you feel happiness,
when you feel joy kind of peeking through the
cracks of the grief, allow that too. And don't
feel like you are letting anybody down on the
other side. Sometimes we hold on to the grief,
feeling like that's how we honor our loved ones.
Grief is part of the healing process. We're not
meant to stay there Love and joy is how we connect
with the other side and how we stay connected
with our loved ones And so we will get to that
place of love and joy when we allow that to enter
our life again But it's not an easy process.
And so my heart goes out to anybody that's experiencing
Grief and pain and in the middle of it. It can
feel like there is no Island of hope or relief
in sight But hold on because there is there will
be Beautiful. Thank you very much Thank you Thanks
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