WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.049 greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back 00:00:33.049 --> 00:00:36.869 home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. 00:00:39.350 --> 00:00:41.289 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody. 00:00:41.909 --> 00:00:44.609 And please give a warm welcome to our very special 00:00:44.609 --> 00:00:47.329 guest today, Julie Clough. How are you, Julie? 00:00:47.929 --> 00:00:50.429 I'm great. Thanks so much for having me, Eric. 00:00:51.109 --> 00:00:54.329 You're welcome. And I know you're in the Nashville 00:00:54.329 --> 00:00:57.649 area. And before we jump into your experience, 00:00:57.670 --> 00:01:01.829 which is going to be very tender. I'll just put 00:01:01.829 --> 00:01:04.510 it that way. Tell us a little bit about you. 00:01:04.670 --> 00:01:08.329 Who's Julie? Well, that's a really good question. 00:01:08.489 --> 00:01:11.230 It seems like it shifts and changes every 10 00:01:11.230 --> 00:01:16.010 years, but today I am working as a spiritual 00:01:16.010 --> 00:01:20.010 medium. I'm a grandma, a mom. I actually have 00:01:20.010 --> 00:01:22.269 12 grandchildren. Can you believe that? Like, 00:01:22.310 --> 00:01:24.349 where does the time go? How does this happen? 00:01:24.469 --> 00:01:28.950 I don't know, but I enjoy. Painting I don't get 00:01:28.950 --> 00:01:31.209 to do it very much anymore. I love playing the 00:01:31.209 --> 00:01:34.510 piano I love playing tennis things like that. 00:01:34.510 --> 00:01:37.469 So yeah, that's who I am Okay, when we're done 00:01:37.469 --> 00:01:40.090 you and I are gonna show photos to each other 00:01:40.090 --> 00:01:43.170 of our grandchildren. Okay, there you go I only 00:01:43.170 --> 00:01:45.870 have 11 but we'll try to catch you at 12 here 00:01:45.870 --> 00:01:49.629 Well, two of my grandchildren two of my grandchildren 00:01:49.629 --> 00:01:53.760 are adopted. So that's kind of fun. Yeah All 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:56.579 right, well I want to jump into it and you mentioned 00:01:56.579 --> 00:01:59.879 being a medium. That's not something we dig into 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:02.519 much on this show. There's a lot of other podcasts 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:06.180 for that. But I find it very interesting that 00:02:06.180 --> 00:02:10.520 a lot of people that have had NDEs, STEs, other 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:14.599 kinds of experiences, related experiences, often 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.860 come away with the term that I like as spiritual 00:02:17.860 --> 00:02:21.990 gifts of some sort or another. Well, we'll hit 00:02:21.990 --> 00:02:24.069 the medium thing a little bit later on because 00:02:24.069 --> 00:02:28.009 it's related. Yeah, it is very much So yeah, 00:02:28.270 --> 00:02:31.310 okay. Well go ahead and take us back not quite 00:02:31.310 --> 00:02:34.789 20 years I hope it's not too hard to talk about 00:02:34.789 --> 00:02:37.610 it was a very rough day and a rough time But 00:02:37.610 --> 00:02:40.210 go ahead and tell our listeners what you went 00:02:40.210 --> 00:02:43.289 through Yeah, so what you're referring to is 00:02:43.289 --> 00:02:48.270 on Mother's Day In 2007, I was traveling with 00:02:48.270 --> 00:02:51.289 my three youngest children across the country. 00:02:51.969 --> 00:02:54.449 We were traveling from Texas, where we lived 00:02:54.449 --> 00:02:57.669 at the time, traveling east to visit grandparents. 00:02:58.550 --> 00:03:00.650 We were having a good trip, and about halfway 00:03:00.650 --> 00:03:03.810 through the afternoon, I suddenly woke up in 00:03:03.810 --> 00:03:06.110 the median between the eastbound and westbound 00:03:06.110 --> 00:03:09.449 lanes of a highway. I had never felt tired, but 00:03:09.449 --> 00:03:12.669 I had fallen asleep at the wheel. And when I 00:03:12.669 --> 00:03:15.650 tried to bring my SUV back up on the road, the 00:03:15.650 --> 00:03:19.430 vehicle began to roll. And ultimately what happened 00:03:19.430 --> 00:03:23.090 was my two youngest children, who were David, 00:03:23.250 --> 00:03:25.449 eight, he was eight at the time, and my daughter 00:03:25.449 --> 00:03:28.150 Carrie, who was 12, or 10 at the time, sorry, 00:03:28.949 --> 00:03:32.490 they were thrown from the car. And ultimately 00:03:32.490 --> 00:03:35.710 I found out later that day that they had passed 00:03:35.710 --> 00:03:38.210 away because they were thrown from the car. My 00:03:38.210 --> 00:03:40.610 12 year old son was in the front seat next to 00:03:40.610 --> 00:03:45.120 me. Uh, he was injured. I was injured, but it 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:49.180 was very minor, my injuries, but I was in total 00:03:49.180 --> 00:03:52.780 shock, physically, emotionally in every way. 00:03:52.900 --> 00:03:56.259 In fact, when the car stopped rolling and I, 00:03:56.319 --> 00:04:00.419 I didn't recognize this until later, but I had 00:04:00.419 --> 00:04:03.900 been knocked out by the rolling of the car. And 00:04:03.900 --> 00:04:07.639 so my first conscious memory was having consciousness, 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:11.210 but not being able to see anything. But I knew, 00:04:11.469 --> 00:04:14.150 you know, it was pretty quick after that, that 00:04:14.150 --> 00:04:16.610 my eyesight came back. I realized that Carrie 00:04:16.610 --> 00:04:19.069 and David had been thrown from the car. They 00:04:19.069 --> 00:04:22.430 were what felt like a football field away from 00:04:22.430 --> 00:04:26.290 the car. And we were taken to two different hospitals 00:04:26.290 --> 00:04:30.069 Ambulances showed up and they took my son James 00:04:30.069 --> 00:04:32.389 and I to one hospital and they took Carrie and 00:04:32.389 --> 00:04:34.970 David to a different hospital So I laid in the 00:04:34.970 --> 00:04:37.410 hospital not knowing whether they had lived or 00:04:37.410 --> 00:04:40.310 died But I want to go back just a little bit 00:04:40.310 --> 00:04:44.689 because as the car started rolling Spirit spoke 00:04:44.689 --> 00:04:47.350 to me. I had a voice in my head that said bring 00:04:47.350 --> 00:04:51.399 your arm in I have no idea how I paid attention 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:54.899 to that voice, but I did. I brought my arm in 00:04:54.899 --> 00:04:57.699 and it saved my arm. I learned about two people 00:04:57.699 --> 00:05:00.120 within a couple of years who had lost their arm 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.139 in a rollover car accident. And so then the main 00:05:03.139 --> 00:05:06.620 question comes up, well, why did that voice help 00:05:06.620 --> 00:05:10.120 me save my arm, but didn't save my children? 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:15.699 And that was a question that I had to really 00:05:15.699 --> 00:05:20.310 struggle with. for a while there. As my memories 00:05:20.310 --> 00:05:24.389 came back of actually being knocked out and during 00:05:24.389 --> 00:05:27.910 the accident, when those memories started to 00:05:27.910 --> 00:05:31.129 reform, I realized that my consciousness during 00:05:31.129 --> 00:05:33.850 that time that I was knocked out, my consciousness 00:05:33.850 --> 00:05:37.389 rose above the accident and in a near death like 00:05:37.389 --> 00:05:42.199 experience where I was with my two children as 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:45.819 they departed and I don't have a lot of memory 00:05:45.819 --> 00:05:48.480 of that so I can't really go into it further 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:52.000 than that other than there was this feeling of 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:55.540 you know that's that's the overarching experience 00:05:55.540 --> 00:06:00.060 is this feeling of peace every time spirit touched 00:06:00.060 --> 00:06:05.220 my experience so even when I when my memory goes 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:08.060 back to that voice that said bring your arm in 00:06:08.569 --> 00:06:12.389 There was an urgency, there wasn't panic. I was 00:06:12.389 --> 00:06:15.449 in panic. I was in urgency because, of course, 00:06:15.529 --> 00:06:18.889 the car is rolling. But the voice was not urgent. 00:06:18.970 --> 00:06:21.709 It was not panicked. It was very peaceful and 00:06:21.709 --> 00:06:26.810 very calm. And my experience of remembering rising 00:06:26.810 --> 00:06:30.449 above that accident and having this knowing, 00:06:30.769 --> 00:06:33.610 having this remembrance that we had made this 00:06:33.610 --> 00:06:36.389 plan before we came here, that they would be 00:06:36.389 --> 00:06:40.430 departing. Very young that is filled with peace 00:06:40.430 --> 00:06:43.550 as well, which makes no sense Then when I was 00:06:43.550 --> 00:06:47.149 taken to the hospital I was laying on a striker 00:06:47.149 --> 00:06:49.689 board which is that stiff board that they they 00:06:49.689 --> 00:06:52.490 put you on so that they can Do the exams and 00:06:52.490 --> 00:06:54.790 so forth make sure there's no internal injuries 00:06:54.790 --> 00:06:58.589 or nothing that's broken that I did have a broken 00:06:58.589 --> 00:07:00.889 wrist sprain shoulders that kind of thing, but 00:07:00.889 --> 00:07:04.269 nothing major but as I laid on that striker board 00:07:04.269 --> 00:07:08.509 and just again like My humanness was in complete 00:07:08.509 --> 00:07:13.829 panic, complete overwhelm. It's just hard to 00:07:13.829 --> 00:07:16.750 explain all the confusion and the overwhelm and 00:07:16.750 --> 00:07:21.389 the terror of the experience. And at that point, 00:07:21.529 --> 00:07:24.769 not knowing whether my children were alive or 00:07:24.769 --> 00:07:27.509 dead, I would be asking. And that would be the 00:07:27.509 --> 00:07:30.470 worst part. That would be the most terrifying 00:07:30.470 --> 00:07:33.930 part of the whole thing. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, 00:07:33.930 --> 00:07:36.910 first, let me just say I'm sorry that you had 00:07:36.910 --> 00:07:39.610 to go through something like that. Yeah, it was 00:07:39.610 --> 00:07:42.410 horrific and your other your 12 year old son 00:07:42.410 --> 00:07:46.389 was okay. He was and that was part of the miracles 00:07:46.389 --> 00:07:49.310 that happened that day, which is so odd to say 00:07:49.310 --> 00:07:51.529 because we didn't have the miracle of Carrie 00:07:51.529 --> 00:07:54.509 and David surviving the accident, but we did 00:07:54.509 --> 00:07:57.410 have the miracle of the surgeon who actually 00:07:58.310 --> 00:08:01.870 pioneered the surgery that our son needed because 00:08:01.870 --> 00:08:05.810 his leg had been broken, severely broken. The 00:08:05.810 --> 00:08:08.529 surgeon that pioneered the procedure he needed 00:08:08.529 --> 00:08:12.529 was there at the hospital that day. And I remember 00:08:12.529 --> 00:08:17.410 the attendance and the nurses, I could hear their 00:08:17.410 --> 00:08:20.779 conversations like, why is he here? So it just 00:08:20.779 --> 00:08:23.480 really felt like such a miracle that he was there 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.639 that day, because it was a holiday, it was Mother's 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:28.220 Day, and it was a Sunday. So they didn't really 00:08:28.220 --> 00:08:31.439 understand why he was there that day. But I know 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:33.720 he was there for us, and so I'm really grateful 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.940 for that. But as I laid there, not knowing whether 00:08:36.940 --> 00:08:44.100 my kids were alive or not, I did have this very 00:08:44.100 --> 00:08:48.539 strong feeling come over me. In the car, like, 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:50.860 you know, as we've landed, I'm seeing all the 00:08:50.860 --> 00:08:53.139 destruction. I'm in all the panic. But there 00:08:53.139 --> 00:08:55.159 was a part of me that knew that they were either 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:58.480 both here or they were both gone. And ultimately, 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:00.179 of course, we found out they were both gone. 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:04.580 But as I laid in that emergency room, I had what 00:09:04.580 --> 00:09:09.779 I can only describe as an out of body type experience 00:09:09.779 --> 00:09:16.759 where I was transported into this field. of flowers, 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:20.039 like it was a mountain meadow, and there were 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:22.360 distant mountains. And I'm originally from Florida, 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:25.179 so I don't know why the imagery of mountains 00:09:25.179 --> 00:09:28.820 were significant in that. I don't have any idea. 00:09:29.059 --> 00:09:34.399 But Jesus, who I call Geshewa now, was standing 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:37.379 with me in this field, holding my hands, looking 00:09:37.379 --> 00:09:40.299 into my eyes. Like we were standing face to face, 00:09:40.299 --> 00:09:44.399 and there were no words exchanged. It was just 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:49.039 this immense peace and so i was going from the 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:53.940 panic in the emergency room into this. Peace 00:09:53.940 --> 00:09:57.360 the best way i've been able to explain this is 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:00.320 eric is like if you're in a movie theater and 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.519 there's this whole war scene going on and then 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:07.259 it immediately cuts into this peaceful like love 00:10:07.259 --> 00:10:10.940 scene i mean that's how stark it was that's how 00:10:10.940 --> 00:10:14.299 immersive it was. And I had that experience and 00:10:14.299 --> 00:10:17.200 I was almost like going back and forth between 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:22.639 this valley with Yeshua and this panic in the 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.139 emergency room. But yeah, it wasn't long after 00:10:25.139 --> 00:10:28.080 that that I learned that my children had passed. 00:10:28.980 --> 00:10:33.080 Tell me more about that time with Jesus and the 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:36.480 valley and the holding hands. You felt peace. 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.120 What else did you feel and did you see much? 00:10:39.549 --> 00:10:42.870 It wasn't like I was looking around, but I just 00:10:42.870 --> 00:10:46.590 had this awareness of my surroundings. If that 00:10:46.590 --> 00:10:49.909 makes any sense at all, I had awareness of my, 00:10:49.909 --> 00:10:54.570 my surroundings. I had an awareness of the wildflowers. 00:10:54.649 --> 00:10:57.730 I had an awareness of the mountains and the distance 00:10:57.730 --> 00:11:03.090 that were all the way around. But it was my attention 00:11:03.090 --> 00:11:10.580 was completely surrendered to this. Peace and 00:11:10.580 --> 00:11:14.879 love and compassion that I was receiving from 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:19.039 Yeshua. That's it's undescribable and it was 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:24.240 an experience that informed my next three years 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:28.960 of Hell I can only describe it that way because 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:34.179 I was going through just self -hatred PTSD just 00:11:34.179 --> 00:11:38.419 severe grief Complicated grief is you know as 00:11:38.419 --> 00:11:41.120 they call it. I mean tremendous That's where 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.899 the self -hatred was coming from Saw I was in 00:11:44.899 --> 00:11:47.639 so much pain I saw the people around me in so 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:50.320 much pain because of the passing of David and 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:53.879 Carrie and All I could see was I'm the cause 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:57.480 of this. I'm the cause of this yeah, it was it 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:02.399 was horrendous, but having that infusion of peace 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.940 and compassion And you know, as I'm saying this, 00:12:06.220 --> 00:12:09.480 like what's coming to my mind is that when we 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.899 experience something really hard like this, like 00:12:11.899 --> 00:12:16.059 I have a conscious memory of having that experience 00:12:16.059 --> 00:12:21.360 with Yeshua. We are all surrounded by heavenly 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:25.720 beings, angelic beings, spirit guides, you know, 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:28.629 loved ones who have passed. who are comforting 00:12:28.629 --> 00:12:32.389 us and helping us through our really challenging 00:12:32.389 --> 00:12:37.750 human experiences, for sure. And that is really 00:12:37.750 --> 00:12:39.909 important to remember. And I think that's one 00:12:39.909 --> 00:12:44.269 reason why I've been called to share my story 00:12:44.269 --> 00:12:47.889 and share my experiences is to give that perspective 00:12:47.889 --> 00:12:51.110 of hope. But yeah, I think that's one of the 00:12:51.110 --> 00:12:53.960 many reasons that I've been, you know, in this 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:57.259 position of sharing my story, which came even 00:12:57.259 --> 00:12:59.899 the fact that I'm sharing my story came in unusual 00:12:59.899 --> 00:13:02.899 ways, but it was at the three year mark where 00:13:02.899 --> 00:13:08.279 I had this profound experience where I was supposed 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:12.039 to do something with this story. But even before 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:15.440 that happened, I was having, there were so many 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:17.179 things that happened, Eric. I get, you know, 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:19.600 there's no way that I could go into everything 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:22.740 that happened, but this experience of losing 00:13:22.740 --> 00:13:27.200 the kids was life changing, life altering. And 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:32.419 at one point during my grief, my two oldest daughters 00:13:32.419 --> 00:13:35.940 were off at college. And at this point I have 00:13:35.940 --> 00:13:38.940 two teenage sons at home. You know, I'm the mom 00:13:38.940 --> 00:13:42.279 of six, three from a first marriage. three from 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:45.019 the second marriage. We're all living together, 00:13:45.220 --> 00:13:48.639 one Brady Bunch family. And then, you know, our 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:51.840 two youngest children pass in this car accident. 00:13:52.179 --> 00:13:55.720 But my two Teenage boys at this point, the 12 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:57.639 year old that was in the accident, you know, 00:13:57.700 --> 00:13:59.720 it's a couple years later, and then his older 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:03.100 brother. And I remember just feeling so bad because 00:14:03.100 --> 00:14:05.860 I was just looking, I was feeling so bad that 00:14:05.860 --> 00:14:08.399 they were growing up in such a different household 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:12.500 as teenagers than their older sisters had just 00:14:12.500 --> 00:14:15.659 so much condemnation for myself. Like this is 00:14:15.659 --> 00:14:19.740 not fair to them. This is not right. And spirit 00:14:19.740 --> 00:14:23.240 somehow got through all of that that was going 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:26.820 on in my head and said, Julie, this is their 00:14:26.820 --> 00:14:32.539 experience too. And in that in that moment, I 00:14:32.539 --> 00:14:37.389 had this understanding again. That this was part 00:14:37.389 --> 00:14:39.990 of the plan that this was part of what we had 00:14:39.990 --> 00:14:42.769 planned before we came And that this was that 00:14:42.769 --> 00:14:45.789 they had agreed to this experience as well. And 00:14:45.789 --> 00:14:48.210 yeah for sure They were living in a totally different 00:14:48.210 --> 00:14:50.809 household. Let me hit you with some questions 00:14:50.809 --> 00:14:54.110 now and Let's pick up right with that right there 00:14:54.110 --> 00:14:58.850 with this plan Before we came here. I know every 00:14:58.850 --> 00:15:01.809 different religion has different beliefs about 00:15:02.059 --> 00:15:05.679 Some kind of a life before we came here or no 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.440 life at all before we came here What are your 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:12.600 personal beliefs on that topic and did this experience 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:16.679 teach you more? It absolutely taught me more 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.159 a hundred percent taught me more Because you 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.580 know as my healing was happening in this during 00:15:24.580 --> 00:15:28.460 these three years I was having these experiences 00:15:28.460 --> 00:15:33.450 like this one with my sons Realizing that there 00:15:33.450 --> 00:15:37.309 was more going on here than just there was an 00:15:37.309 --> 00:15:39.309 accident and they died there was just so much 00:15:39.309 --> 00:15:42.149 more going on and and that the three -year mark 00:15:42.149 --> 00:15:45.549 I had this healing experience and then after 00:15:45.549 --> 00:15:48.889 the healing experience and I'm I'm telling this 00:15:48.889 --> 00:15:52.289 because this is part of the answer to your question 00:15:52.289 --> 00:15:56.649 and how I was I Will say educated through the 00:15:56.649 --> 00:16:01.200 process of this life plan, educated through the 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:04.940 process of grief and healing and so forth. Because 00:16:04.940 --> 00:16:09.580 after my grief healing, after the darkness lifted, 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:14.080 and I was more in touch with this idea that there 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:17.960 was more going on, then I started to have these 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:20.200 experiences where I'd wake up in the morning 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:22.539 and this thought would come that I was supposed 00:16:22.539 --> 00:16:27.519 to share my story. And I would dismiss it immediately. 00:16:27.940 --> 00:16:30.740 Eric, I'm like, nobody wants to hear my story. 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:34.340 It's awful. Nobody wants to hear it. That makes 00:16:34.340 --> 00:16:37.940 no sense. I would dismiss it immediately. But 00:16:37.940 --> 00:16:42.519 in 2012, I was introduced to someone. We'd gone 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:44.899 to lunch. My mom had some friends that she wanted 00:16:44.899 --> 00:16:47.870 to introduce me to and we'd gone to lunch. During 00:16:47.870 --> 00:16:50.769 this lunch I learned about this band story and 00:16:50.769 --> 00:16:53.029 he had gone through some challenges and now he 00:16:53.029 --> 00:16:55.690 was helping people through challenges that he 00:16:55.690 --> 00:16:58.909 like he had gone through and in the course of 00:16:58.909 --> 00:17:01.289 this lunch my mom turned to me and she said Julie 00:17:01.289 --> 00:17:05.329 share your story and I was like no like I mean 00:17:05.329 --> 00:17:09.730 I was in such resistance to that idea I can like 00:17:09.730 --> 00:17:12.710 I could just I can feel it now like things like 00:17:12.710 --> 00:17:16.240 no. But I did, I just briefly shared that my 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:18.220 children had passed and you know, some of the 00:17:18.220 --> 00:17:22.519 miracles that had actually accompanied the experience 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.740 and the miracle of my healing and so forth. And 00:17:26.740 --> 00:17:29.059 as we were leaving that restaurant, that man 00:17:29.059 --> 00:17:32.440 stopped me and he put his hand on my arm and 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.380 he looked in my eyes and he said, you're supposed 00:17:34.380 --> 00:17:37.559 to do something with this. And in that moment, 00:17:37.619 --> 00:17:42.619 I couldn't deny that it was like lightning struck. 00:17:43.460 --> 00:17:48.380 I felt it at this deep visceral level. And if 00:17:48.380 --> 00:17:51.440 you ask me now, I feel like this was, you know, 00:17:51.500 --> 00:17:53.619 I would say like, it was like God was standing 00:17:53.619 --> 00:17:55.180 in front of me saying, Julia, you're supposed 00:17:55.180 --> 00:17:57.640 to do something with this. But it was like my 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:01.200 soul. My soul was speaking to me like this is 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:06.200 this is why you are here. This is why this happened. 00:18:06.700 --> 00:18:10.319 I don't think we can. Simply tie up in a bow 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:13.680 exactly why everything happens, but it was a 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.859 big part of what happened and why it happened 00:18:16.859 --> 00:18:21.380 and and I do feel at a very Deep level that this 00:18:21.380 --> 00:18:24.039 was part of the plan before we came and and I 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:27.759 have this understanding that I was given a choice 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:30.799 Carrie would only live for so many years David 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.720 would only live for so many years and do you 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.140 want to be the mom? under those circumstances 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:42.619 And I chose and I said, yes. And so I feel like 00:18:42.619 --> 00:18:45.400 it's, it's a strange thing to say, but I don't 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:47.900 feel like I missed out on the rest of their life 00:18:47.900 --> 00:18:50.640 because they came here to be here for a short 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:53.680 period of time to open up a lot of people through 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.740 their story, through their interactions with 00:18:56.740 --> 00:18:59.380 the people with the fan, with our family, with 00:18:59.380 --> 00:19:02.720 their friends and so forth. And so, yeah, I had 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:05.220 a choice. I could be their mom in physical form 00:19:05.220 --> 00:19:07.920 for eight and 10 years or not be their mom. And 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:10.519 I chose to be their mom. And I remember that 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.759 every day. And I stay connected with them on 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:16.839 a regular basis. What a blessing. How do you 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:20.160 stay connected with them? Over time, I learned 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:24.500 to communicate with them. You know, in the beginning, 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:28.119 it was having experiences. For example, my daughter, 00:19:28.579 --> 00:19:32.119 my oldest daughter was married by the end of 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:35.119 that year. So they died in 2007. And at the end 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:39.460 of the year, she She was married and at her wedding 00:19:39.460 --> 00:19:43.799 I felt them there with us at the one year mark. 00:19:44.089 --> 00:19:46.769 Our girls, our two oldest daughters who were 00:19:46.769 --> 00:19:49.269 off of college came home, surprised us for the 00:19:49.269 --> 00:19:53.470 weekend on Mother's Day and we sat on a church 00:19:53.470 --> 00:19:57.930 pew and I felt this like unity of our family. 00:19:58.049 --> 00:20:01.269 I felt my children who were here and I felt my 00:20:01.269 --> 00:20:04.109 children who were on the other side in that experience 00:20:04.109 --> 00:20:08.369 of us all being there on the church pew and it 00:20:08.369 --> 00:20:13.089 like reconnected me to how grateful I am to be 00:20:13.089 --> 00:20:18.079 a mother. in this like profound way that's beyond 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:21.700 just our human gratitude, but it was a very, 00:20:22.059 --> 00:20:26.220 very powerful experience. It makes sense to me. 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.089 It's easy for me to believe. those kinds of things. 00:20:30.670 --> 00:20:33.470 Can you tell me a little bit more about the voice 00:20:33.470 --> 00:20:37.190 that told you to bring your arm in? Was it kind 00:20:37.190 --> 00:20:39.670 of hanging out the window or was it just bring 00:20:39.670 --> 00:20:42.529 it in tight to you? Do you feel like it was an 00:20:42.529 --> 00:20:45.990 out loud kind of voice or this strong thought 00:20:45.990 --> 00:20:52.289 came to you? It was very definitely a voice. 00:20:52.670 --> 00:20:58.910 It was very distinct, very specific. Was it external 00:20:58.910 --> 00:21:02.670 to me or internal to me? 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When I tuned back 00:22:29.660 --> 00:22:33.599 into it, it has a masculine feel to it. And again, 00:22:33.660 --> 00:22:37.819 it was accompanied by peace, which makes absolutely 00:22:37.819 --> 00:22:42.000 no sense because of the circumstances of the 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:46.460 accident. But I'd had a voice from spirit in 00:22:46.460 --> 00:22:49.980 the past. It wasn't the first time that that 00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:54.640 had happened for me. Certainly in that type of 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:58.740 experience, it was definitely... But I'd had 00:22:58.740 --> 00:23:01.859 an experience, honestly, like 20 years before 00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:03.619 where I was woken up in the middle of the night 00:23:03.619 --> 00:23:06.640 and given very specific instructions of, you 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:10.319 know, who to go talk to and tell them this and 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.660 you're supposed to be here and do this. At the 00:23:13.660 --> 00:23:16.259 time I was, I was arguing with spirit. I was 00:23:16.259 --> 00:23:18.160 like, no, that makes no sense. And they were 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:21.359 like, no, it does. And this is why. And I'd had 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:24.759 this whole conversation in my twenties. And I 00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:27.480 was married at the time and I woke up my husband 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.079 and I said, I just had this experience. I've 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:31.339 got to tell you about it because I'm going to 00:23:31.339 --> 00:23:33.740 wake up and I'm going to be like dismissing it. 00:23:33.819 --> 00:23:36.819 But I literally went and did what that voice 00:23:36.819 --> 00:23:41.339 told me to do. And it was such confirmation that 00:23:41.339 --> 00:23:44.740 it wasn't just my imagination or something that 00:23:44.740 --> 00:23:49.279 I dreamed, but there was some validity to that 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.890 voice and what the instructions were. Yeah, I'd 00:23:52.890 --> 00:23:56.390 had that experience off and on over the years, 00:23:56.490 --> 00:24:00.910 but I was very much in a religious construct 00:24:00.910 --> 00:24:05.289 where I looked at everything through a religious 00:24:05.289 --> 00:24:08.750 lens and I, you know, interpreted things through 00:24:08.750 --> 00:24:11.990 a religious lens. That voice that came to me 00:24:11.990 --> 00:24:15.369 that told me to bring my arm in, I mean, I remembered 00:24:15.369 --> 00:24:18.259 it. Immediately it wasn't something that came 00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:21.160 back to me later. I just I remembered it immediately 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:26.299 You know the cars rolling the windows are being 00:24:26.299 --> 00:24:29.720 Busted out and crashing the whole thing right? 00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:33.720 There's a lot of noise Mm -hmm, and I don't remember 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:36.180 any of that because I think that like I said 00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:38.900 I was knocked out pretty early in the process 00:24:38.900 --> 00:24:41.700 But it was more of like I just bring your arm 00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:45.400 in tight And I have no idea how I had the presence 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:47.700 of mind to do that because that must have happened 00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:51.140 in within a split second. Okay. Here's a hard 00:24:51.140 --> 00:24:53.599 question because I'm going to ask you to do something 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:56.799 that you said you couldn't do. You said you could 00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:59.859 not describe the peace and the love, but I want 00:24:59.859 --> 00:25:04.220 you to try anyway. You know, my gosh, I'm like 00:25:04.220 --> 00:25:07.119 feeling so much emotion right now and just going 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:10.019 there because I was woken up. It's probably been 00:25:10.019 --> 00:25:13.859 two or three years ago now. I was woken up to 00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:19.099 this piece one morning and it was not just like 00:25:19.099 --> 00:25:23.359 an emotion. It was a physical experience. And 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.559 that's why it's so hard to describe is because 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:31.480 we don't typically have peace at the depth that 00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:36.160 it feels physical. We have a feeling around it. 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:39.940 We have an emotional emotion around it. It's 00:25:39.940 --> 00:25:44.980 all encompassing. It's all just like There's 00:25:44.980 --> 00:25:49.180 nothing else. It's in that space where I'm face 00:25:49.180 --> 00:25:54.240 to face with Jesus with Yeshua, you know, whatever 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:57.859 name that you want to put in that space, but 00:25:57.859 --> 00:26:02.559 it was all encompassing there was no Accident 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:06.599 during that space there was no chaos in that 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:10.339 space It was just like you're in this bubble 00:26:10.339 --> 00:26:17.019 of complete security, comfort, love. It's just 00:26:17.019 --> 00:26:19.480 all encompassing. I'm not sure if there's any 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.119 other words to share that. But thank you for 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:27.079 asking. Let's say I've never felt that and without 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:29.500 having to go through an experience like you did 00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:33.579 or another NDE, which people try to explain this 00:26:33.579 --> 00:26:36.420 to me all the time. Is there a way that we can 00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:39.680 feel even a portion of that here in this life? 00:26:40.089 --> 00:26:43.390 Yeah, absolutely. I mean one of the best ways 00:26:43.390 --> 00:26:46.009 and I'm sure other people have shared this with 00:26:46.009 --> 00:26:50.710 you is just quieting, just having some space. 00:26:51.309 --> 00:26:53.150 You know, putting your hand on your heart can 00:26:53.150 --> 00:26:56.650 be really, really helpful. There's, you know, 00:26:56.650 --> 00:26:58.650 if you've heard of chakras, there's chakras in 00:26:58.650 --> 00:27:02.849 the hand. There's our major chakra, center chakra 00:27:02.849 --> 00:27:06.069 of our system is our heart chakra. When we put 00:27:06.069 --> 00:27:08.490 our hand on that heart chakra, it's almost like 00:27:08.490 --> 00:27:11.400 we're connecting a system. putting our hand on 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:13.940 our heart and closing our eyes and taking some 00:27:13.940 --> 00:27:17.180 deep breaths and it's it's like a meditation 00:27:17.180 --> 00:27:22.359 and it's it's something that we can tap into 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.000 when we put our hand on our heart we're asking 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.440 ourselves to drop into the heart and come out 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:34.690 of the head and our mind is where all the Chaos 00:27:34.690 --> 00:27:38.009 and the activity is our mind is a tool and we 00:27:38.009 --> 00:27:41.650 we learn to use our mind in more Helpful ways 00:27:41.650 --> 00:27:45.630 as we meditate as we journal as we do these different 00:27:45.630 --> 00:27:48.930 practices that can help us be more balanced in 00:27:48.930 --> 00:27:52.890 our human experience But we're we're here to 00:27:52.890 --> 00:27:55.170 have a human experience. We're here You know, 00:27:55.170 --> 00:27:57.809 we're not here to sit in lotus position all day 00:27:57.809 --> 00:28:00.710 long and with our hand on our heart and you know 00:28:00.990 --> 00:28:04.710 chant or hum, like those are beautiful experiences 00:28:04.710 --> 00:28:10.529 that reconnect us with who we really are as light 00:28:10.529 --> 00:28:14.190 beings, as souls. All right, we're going to shift 00:28:14.190 --> 00:28:17.109 gears just a little bit. And you had mentioned 00:28:17.109 --> 00:28:20.970 something about angels earlier. Please take us 00:28:20.970 --> 00:28:24.009 down that road for a minute. Yeah, it's interesting 00:28:24.009 --> 00:28:26.309 when my first book came out, Miracles in the 00:28:26.309 --> 00:28:29.710 Darkness, was still very entrenched in religion 00:28:29.710 --> 00:28:32.710 and you know kind of seeing everything from those 00:28:32.710 --> 00:28:36.309 views and was seeing all the miracles but I wasn't 00:28:36.309 --> 00:28:41.349 connected to the angelic realm and then I Started 00:28:41.349 --> 00:28:44.769 to see 12s everywhere and eventually my daughter 00:28:44.769 --> 00:28:48.509 Carrie who you know, she's on the other side 00:28:49.339 --> 00:28:51.480 told me that she was the one that was sending 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:55.660 12s to me, but it just, it opened me to angel 00:28:55.660 --> 00:29:00.480 numbers and signs. And Eric, I was not a person 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.779 to like look for things like that. I was, you 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:06.019 know, math was my favorite subject. I'm like 00:29:06.019 --> 00:29:08.880 linear, you know, that's all, that's all nice 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.140 for everybody, but that didn't mean anything 00:29:11.140 --> 00:29:13.940 to me. But I was seeing so many 12s, I could 00:29:13.940 --> 00:29:18.130 not ignore it anymore. So I started looking up 00:29:18.130 --> 00:29:21.289 like angel numbers and I started exploring what 00:29:21.289 --> 00:29:24.769 all that meant. And in the process, I started, 00:29:25.150 --> 00:29:26.950 I, you know, I'd learned to communicate with 00:29:26.950 --> 00:29:29.390 my kids. I'd learned to communicate with my brother 00:29:29.390 --> 00:29:33.089 who passed away, you know, many years ago and, 00:29:33.089 --> 00:29:35.430 um, through a series of, you know, feeling them 00:29:35.430 --> 00:29:38.450 near and then being able to just kind of talk 00:29:38.450 --> 00:29:41.109 to them, writing notes and having them write 00:29:41.109 --> 00:29:44.279 back to me and so forth. But the angel thing 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.519 was really interesting. I wasn't talking about 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.339 it at all, but I had this, we were in Mexico, 00:29:52.420 --> 00:29:54.539 my husband and I were in Mexico on a trip and 00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:57.700 we'd gone a whale watching trip and on a little 00:29:57.700 --> 00:30:01.440 excursion and we were off the coast of Mexico. 00:30:02.349 --> 00:30:05.170 I was frankly grumpy. It was the middle of the 00:30:05.170 --> 00:30:08.210 afternoon. We were on a really dumb whale watching 00:30:08.210 --> 00:30:11.150 boat. I was really uncomfortable. We weren't 00:30:11.150 --> 00:30:14.049 seeing anything. And I was thinking this is literally 00:30:14.049 --> 00:30:17.109 in my mind was thinking this is going to be a 00:30:17.109 --> 00:30:20.650 dud of a whale watching trip. And I heard, I 00:30:20.650 --> 00:30:22.849 heard that voice again that said, Julie, you 00:30:22.849 --> 00:30:26.859 have angels. And when I heard that my energy 00:30:26.859 --> 00:30:30.640 just lifted and I just, I like, I just knew, 00:30:30.859 --> 00:30:33.980 I just knew that the angels were around and I 00:30:33.980 --> 00:30:36.700 began to say, and they always are, you know, 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:38.680 sometimes we don't, aren't connected to it, but 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.720 it's, they're always there. So I started saying 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.099 in my head, like a mantra, thank you for bringing 00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:46.319 the angels close, or sorry, thank you for bringing 00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:48.640 the whales close to the boat. Thank you for bringing 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.420 the boat close to the whales. And as I said that 00:30:52.420 --> 00:30:55.140 within 10, 15 minutes we were surrounded by whales. 00:30:55.380 --> 00:30:57.960 We literally had whales on the left side, whales 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.240 to the front, whales on the right side, a whole 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.160 pod of dolphins came and were swimming near us. 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.319 And it was, again, it was like this out of body 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.259 experience because I was so filled with bliss. 00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:12.160 Like that's the only word I can think of. It 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:17.079 was just this magical. magical experience of 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:20.039 having all these whales surrounding our boat, 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:24.799 just bringing so much joy. The energy of it was 00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:29.079 otherworldly. The excursion guide said, we need 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:31.019 to get back. It's, you know, it's the end of 00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:32.940 the trip. And as he said that the whale started 00:31:32.940 --> 00:31:35.940 to swim off and one came up and put his tail 00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:38.900 in the air and started. And I don't know what 00:31:38.900 --> 00:31:41.460 that behavior is called. And I know they're not. 00:31:41.579 --> 00:31:43.980 Consciously like waving goodbye this but that's 00:31:43.980 --> 00:31:46.539 what it felt like like this whale just came up 00:31:46.539 --> 00:31:50.019 and started Waving goodbye with its tail. It 00:31:50.019 --> 00:31:52.740 was just such a beautiful experience and the 00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:56.420 next day I received a message to start teaching 00:31:56.420 --> 00:32:00.000 about angels and so when I got back from that 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:03.180 trip within a month I had started teaching classes 00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:05.839 about angels and connecting with our angels and 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:09.680 that's a big part of what I do today is I want 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:15.450 to bring awareness to the spiritual connection 00:32:15.450 --> 00:32:18.269 that we all have to the other side. We all have 00:32:18.269 --> 00:32:21.009 angels, we all have guides, we all have loved 00:32:21.009 --> 00:32:24.430 ones that are surrounding us who love us and 00:32:24.430 --> 00:32:28.009 are bringing us energy and wanting to help us. 00:32:28.269 --> 00:32:31.849 But we have to also ask for their help, we have 00:32:31.849 --> 00:32:36.619 to invite them in, otherwise they... They're 00:32:36.619 --> 00:32:39.079 kind of it's so funny because when I meet with 00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.359 clients and you know, I'm connecting with their 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.420 guides and and I'm like, Oh, your guides are 00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:47.720 telling me that you like communicating with it. 00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:51.259 And I will see them like, clapping their hands 00:32:51.259 --> 00:32:53.819 like that. It's clapping their hands like they 00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:57.380 get so excited. When we make that connection. 00:32:57.940 --> 00:33:03.490 In fact, I saw someone who Is also medium talking 00:33:03.490 --> 00:33:05.609 about something similar the other day and she 00:33:05.609 --> 00:33:09.809 said our loved ones want us to know that they're 00:33:09.809 --> 00:33:11.910 Just a thought of I mean, this is the way I see 00:33:11.910 --> 00:33:14.869 it. They're just a thought away Time and space 00:33:14.869 --> 00:33:17.109 on the other side is just so different than it 00:33:17.109 --> 00:33:20.500 is here And if I wanted to come see you, Eric, 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.680 I would have to get on a plane and I'd have to 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.180 fly. And, you know, we'd have to go through all 00:33:25.180 --> 00:33:28.079 these mechanisms to be in the same physical space, 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.720 but time and space on the other side is very, 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.299 very different. And they don't have those types 00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:37.660 of limitations. I can be here talking with my 00:33:37.660 --> 00:33:41.660 daughter on the other side and another family 00:33:41.660 --> 00:33:44.339 member can also be calling on her at the same 00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:47.769 time. And it's, it's just. It's hard for us to 00:33:47.769 --> 00:33:52.089 understand, but it's, yeah, it's just different. 00:33:53.130 --> 00:33:55.950 Yeah. It's sort of like, I mean, everybody asks 00:33:55.950 --> 00:33:58.690 at some point, how does God hear everybody's 00:33:58.690 --> 00:34:01.869 prayers at the same time? That explains it a 00:34:01.869 --> 00:34:05.789 little bit. Now without going into a, you know, 00:34:05.910 --> 00:34:10.010 a week long class, I'm gonna have to give you 00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:15.050 a limit on this cause big question. How do we 00:34:15.050 --> 00:34:19.769 tap into those angels? And the other thing is, 00:34:20.090 --> 00:34:24.250 so you mentioned angels guides loved ones. Are 00:34:24.250 --> 00:34:28.130 they sometimes the same person or personage or 00:34:28.130 --> 00:34:32.130 being? And what's an angel? Is it different than 00:34:32.130 --> 00:34:35.730 one of these other things? Too many questions 00:34:35.730 --> 00:34:39.090 all in one mouthful. That's okay, because it's 00:34:39.090 --> 00:34:41.889 a common question. When we talk about the other 00:34:41.889 --> 00:34:46.949 side, I'm giving you my perspective and when 00:34:46.949 --> 00:34:49.130 you ask that same question somebody else are 00:34:49.130 --> 00:34:54.889 giving their perspective. The reality is. I don't 00:34:54.889 --> 00:34:58.630 know exactly i know what i know and it's kind 00:34:58.630 --> 00:35:01.769 of like that. That story of the blind man with 00:35:01.769 --> 00:35:03.690 the elephant you know what's an elephant and 00:35:03.690 --> 00:35:05.849 the one that's holding the air says it's a fan 00:35:05.849 --> 00:35:08.289 and the other one holding the tail says it's 00:35:08.289 --> 00:35:10.670 a rope and another one you know so they're getting 00:35:10.670 --> 00:35:13.750 a different experience so i'm sharing my perspective 00:35:13.750 --> 00:35:17.010 on this but my perspective on this is angels 00:35:17.010 --> 00:35:22.449 are. Divine presence their divine energy their 00:35:22.449 --> 00:35:27.119 large energies. When people see angels objectively 00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.780 and there are people that see angels objectively 00:35:29.780 --> 00:35:34.480 They show up in a form that we can relate to 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:40.179 that in a in like a human type form but they're 00:35:40.179 --> 00:35:44.199 really energetic beings They have no gender sometimes 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:47.340 they can show up as a female sometimes as a male, 00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:51.210 but they're they're energetic beings powerful, 00:35:51.389 --> 00:35:54.250 powerful, energetic beings. And they don't want 00:35:54.250 --> 00:35:58.750 to be worshipped, but they want to be acknowledged. 00:35:59.309 --> 00:36:01.809 And our guides is a little different because 00:36:01.809 --> 00:36:06.050 a lot of times our guides can be ancestors, it 00:36:06.050 --> 00:36:10.449 can be specific. Our guides are more people who 00:36:10.449 --> 00:36:14.730 have lived on the earth, who understand the earth 00:36:14.730 --> 00:36:18.869 experience, and can assist us in the work that 00:36:18.869 --> 00:36:21.670 we're doing here. and then we have our you know 00:36:21.670 --> 00:36:24.070 we have our family members we have our ancestors 00:36:24.070 --> 00:36:28.650 that type of thing so everybody has a team and 00:36:28.650 --> 00:36:30.730 so that that's a little excellent does that make 00:36:30.730 --> 00:36:34.170 any sense or is that giving clarity to that yeah 00:36:34.170 --> 00:36:36.630 i mean there's never going to be 100 % clarity 00:36:36.630 --> 00:36:41.050 at in this realm anyway exactly but yeah that 00:36:41.050 --> 00:36:43.530 all helps we put the pieces together we get from 00:36:43.530 --> 00:36:46.889 here and there and everywhere else before we 00:36:46.889 --> 00:36:50.139 go away Can you tell me a little bit more about 00:36:50.139 --> 00:36:52.840 David and Carrie? What kind of people were they? 00:36:53.860 --> 00:36:56.579 I would love to. And I also want to, I think 00:36:56.579 --> 00:36:59.059 I didn't answer your question about how connecting 00:36:59.059 --> 00:37:01.840 to the, you know, to the other side and connecting 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.760 to our angels. So I want, I want to encompass 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:09.260 all of that. So David. Was Dennis the menace 00:37:09.260 --> 00:37:12.039 for those that come from that generation and 00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.579 know who Dennis the menace was he was full of 00:37:15.579 --> 00:37:19.320 life. Everyone loved Davis David. He had this 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:24.179 big smile. He had the big ears. He had he was 00:37:24.179 --> 00:37:27.719 playful and he still shows up that way. Very 00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:32.179 playful as his mom. I would wonder when he was 00:37:32.179 --> 00:37:37.059 going to grow out of the mischief. Because he 00:37:37.059 --> 00:37:40.119 was so mischievous but my mother -in -law used 00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:42.679 to say his spirit was bigger than his body and 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:44.980 he just couldn't be contained and it was the 00:37:44.980 --> 00:37:48.659 truth. He was just this bigger -than -life presence. 00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:53.280 My daughter Carrie was just this very tender 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.849 -hearted, beautiful little girl. And I mean, 00:37:57.969 --> 00:37:59.909 this describes both of them. They just loved 00:37:59.909 --> 00:38:02.869 everybody. They didn't meet strangers. They didn't 00:38:02.869 --> 00:38:05.329 meet people that they couldn't get along with. 00:38:05.690 --> 00:38:08.469 The one thing about Carrie is so often I would 00:38:08.469 --> 00:38:12.869 hear from her friends after she passed. And even 00:38:12.869 --> 00:38:15.489 today, I still hear from them. And it's been 00:38:15.489 --> 00:38:19.449 years. I'll get messages like, I moved into the 00:38:19.449 --> 00:38:23.530 neighborhood. And I didn't have any friends and 00:38:23.530 --> 00:38:25.989 Carrie befriended me. She was my first friend. 00:38:26.469 --> 00:38:30.070 I mean, this is the story I hear over and over 00:38:30.070 --> 00:38:34.409 again. She really was so like she would just 00:38:34.409 --> 00:38:38.710 wrap her arms around people and just would make 00:38:38.710 --> 00:38:42.309 friends with everybody. So that was very much. 00:38:42.699 --> 00:38:46.019 Who they were here and very much how they show 00:38:46.019 --> 00:38:49.840 up from the other side In that same same way 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.559 when I connect with my daughter Carrie Her energy 00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:58.300 feels so angelic like it feels very powerful 00:38:58.900 --> 00:39:01.699 That on you know on the other side like we had 00:39:01.699 --> 00:39:04.480 if we have our personalities here, but when we 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.260 go back to the other side It's like we go back 00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:11.059 into that understanding of the spirit world that 00:39:11.059 --> 00:39:15.139 higher vibration that higher just understanding 00:39:15.139 --> 00:39:19.440 of life and when it comes to like Connecting 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.539 to our angels. You're the very first thing that 00:39:22.539 --> 00:39:26.079 we can do to connect with our angels is to believe 00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:28.460 that they're there. That's the biggest thing 00:39:28.460 --> 00:39:32.579 that kind of keeps us separated from that. A 00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:36.000 lot of people have fear around connecting with 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:41.059 spirit. But we all know what it feels like when 00:39:41.059 --> 00:39:48.050 we're in a place that feels I want to just very 00:39:48.050 --> 00:39:50.630 briefly share that I had this experience with 00:39:50.630 --> 00:39:53.289 a friend's son. I had learned to connect with 00:39:53.289 --> 00:39:55.829 my kids on the other side, with my brother on 00:39:55.829 --> 00:39:58.730 the other side. And I had a friend whose son, 00:39:58.750 --> 00:40:01.090 he was in his twenties, passed away a few years 00:40:01.090 --> 00:40:04.909 ago. And it was like about two weeks after his 00:40:04.909 --> 00:40:07.730 passing and I got into my car. I was out running 00:40:07.730 --> 00:40:09.829 errands. I got into my car and all of a sudden 00:40:09.829 --> 00:40:12.889 I just felt like he was there in the car with 00:40:12.889 --> 00:40:16.260 me. And when I felt that, I thought, I don't 00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:18.300 know what to do with this. But I did the only 00:40:18.300 --> 00:40:19.960 thing I could think of. I pulled out my phone 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.619 and I just wrote down the messages I was hearing. 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.139 And as I wrote down those messages, you know, 00:40:26.139 --> 00:40:28.820 again, like I just felt him there. And eventually 00:40:28.820 --> 00:40:32.219 I was able to deliver that message. But somebody 00:40:32.219 --> 00:40:34.380 asked me, and I wasn't sharing. It wasn't like 00:40:34.380 --> 00:40:36.380 I went around Eric and telling everybody, oh, 00:40:36.380 --> 00:40:38.500 by the way, this person, you know, showed up. 00:40:38.500 --> 00:40:40.400 Like, I didn't know what to do with that. But 00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.519 I did share it with a couple of people in this 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.679 one. person that I shared it with, they said 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.980 to me, what did it feel like? And I'm so grateful 00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:54.980 for that question because the truth is that it 00:40:54.980 --> 00:40:59.800 felt like it felt sacred. And I was so grateful 00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.280 that that person asked me that question because 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.420 then it caused me to drop back into that experience. 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.599 And what did it feel like? And it felt sacred. 00:41:08.889 --> 00:41:11.989 As I did grief work and I felt people's loved 00:41:11.989 --> 00:41:16.170 ones coming into the room It's such a sacred 00:41:16.170 --> 00:41:22.010 experience. It's a sacred experience to To witness 00:41:22.010 --> 00:41:25.949 other people's Process of grieving and healing. 00:41:26.250 --> 00:41:29.690 It's such a sacred experience to connect people 00:41:29.690 --> 00:41:33.409 to their loved ones and to their angels and guides 00:41:33.409 --> 00:41:38.829 it's it's just beautiful and so that's the That's 00:41:38.829 --> 00:41:42.329 the feeling to go into when you're connecting 00:41:42.329 --> 00:41:45.090 with the other side is to go into this feeling 00:41:45.090 --> 00:41:47.389 of like, you know, I'm only going to connect 00:41:47.389 --> 00:41:51.489 with that higher frequency with that higher light. 00:41:52.050 --> 00:41:54.349 And that's the purpose and that's the intention. 00:41:54.349 --> 00:41:57.750 And that's where my attention goes. Thank you, 00:41:57.750 --> 00:42:00.710 Julie. I know some people are going to want to 00:42:00.710 --> 00:42:04.030 reach out to you and we'll put your website and 00:42:04.030 --> 00:42:06.289 some of your other contact info in the show notes 00:42:06.289 --> 00:42:09.429 and description. It looks like you're all over 00:42:09.429 --> 00:42:14.070 the place, social media, podcast, etc. So we'll 00:42:14.070 --> 00:42:17.090 make it easy for everybody to find you. And if 00:42:17.090 --> 00:42:19.369 you take one last minute, I'm going to give you 00:42:19.369 --> 00:42:23.570 the final thought here. And that is, if you were 00:42:23.570 --> 00:42:28.590 speaking with a grieving parent today, what kind 00:42:28.590 --> 00:42:32.250 of message of hope would you have for them? You 00:42:32.250 --> 00:42:35.309 know, that's, that's a tough question, because 00:42:35.309 --> 00:42:41.150 in the beginning, It's so Disordering challenging. 00:42:41.650 --> 00:42:45.110 It's so heavy and in the beginning It's just 00:42:45.110 --> 00:42:49.550 like just allow all of it and recognize that 00:42:49.550 --> 00:42:54.570 it it just is what it is But things and this 00:42:54.570 --> 00:42:58.889 feels trite The emotions and the things that 00:42:58.889 --> 00:43:02.590 you're experiencing now will shift and change 00:43:02.590 --> 00:43:07.289 and allow it to shift and change And allow yourself, 00:43:07.369 --> 00:43:11.869 when you have those moments where you feel happiness, 00:43:12.090 --> 00:43:15.809 when you feel joy kind of peeking through the 00:43:15.809 --> 00:43:21.510 cracks of the grief, allow that too. And don't 00:43:21.510 --> 00:43:26.469 feel like you are letting anybody down on the 00:43:26.469 --> 00:43:29.190 other side. Sometimes we hold on to the grief, 00:43:29.449 --> 00:43:32.650 feeling like that's how we honor our loved ones. 00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.519 Grief is part of the healing process. We're not 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.320 meant to stay there Love and joy is how we connect 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.900 with the other side and how we stay connected 00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:46.320 with our loved ones And so we will get to that 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.239 place of love and joy when we allow that to enter 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:53.119 our life again But it's not an easy process. 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:56.659 And so my heart goes out to anybody that's experiencing 00:43:56.659 --> 00:44:00.219 Grief and pain and in the middle of it. It can 00:44:00.219 --> 00:44:06.429 feel like there is no Island of hope or relief 00:44:06.429 --> 00:44:11.030 in sight But hold on because there is there will 00:44:11.030 --> 00:44:17.519 be Beautiful. 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