WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.049 greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back 00:00:33.049 --> 00:00:36.829 home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. 00:00:39.109 --> 00:00:41.070 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody. 00:00:41.509 --> 00:00:44.810 We've got a great guest today, Ingrid Honkala. 00:00:44.890 --> 00:00:49.030 No, Honkala. Is that better? Honkala. Honkala, 00:00:49.250 --> 00:00:52.549 okay. And I'm going to add the PhD on the end 00:00:52.549 --> 00:00:55.469 because you deserve some credit for that. So 00:00:55.469 --> 00:00:58.250 anyway, welcome to the show. This is going to 00:00:58.250 --> 00:01:01.600 be really interesting today. as we talk about 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:05.739 your near -death experiences, plural, and especially 00:01:05.739 --> 00:01:07.260 all the things that you've learned from them. 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:09.959 That's really what it's all about and what we're 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:13.340 all here to do is to learn and grow. Before we 00:01:13.340 --> 00:01:15.560 jump into it, I'm going to give you one minute 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:18.200 to tell a little bit about yourself so we can 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:22.579 get to know you. So Ingrid, take it away. Thank 00:01:22.579 --> 00:01:25.219 you so much, Eric. Thank you for having me here 00:01:25.219 --> 00:01:29.040 with you, with your audience. Well, Ingrid, I 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:33.040 am a person that, from a very, very young age, 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:36.799 started to feel fascination for, like, knowing 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:40.060 who we are. Because, yeah, my first near -death 00:01:40.060 --> 00:01:42.879 experience happened when I was very, very young. 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:47.939 But life brought me to be an explorer, an explorer 00:01:47.939 --> 00:01:51.299 of life, an explorer of the unknown. And I decided 00:01:51.299 --> 00:01:55.469 to take the path of science. the path of trying 00:01:55.469 --> 00:01:58.930 to understand things from the place of being 00:01:58.930 --> 00:02:03.849 not just a person wanting to know a spirit, but 00:02:03.849 --> 00:02:07.230 a person wanting to know how everything worked, 00:02:07.810 --> 00:02:11.250 where everything came from, what was the dynamics 00:02:11.250 --> 00:02:15.210 of it. My curiosity was such an intensity of 00:02:15.210 --> 00:02:17.949 me wanting to figure out and understand things. 00:02:18.069 --> 00:02:21.740 So yeah, I became a scientist. And I became a 00:02:21.740 --> 00:02:24.659 marine scientist, something that shocked people 00:02:24.659 --> 00:02:27.460 because they said to me, how could you have become 00:02:27.460 --> 00:02:31.000 a marine scientist if you drown? And he said 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.860 he wouldn't say because drowning brought me to 00:02:33.860 --> 00:02:37.759 see the light. For me, life had been a combination 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:42.080 of the outer and the inner. All right, well. 00:02:42.550 --> 00:02:45.710 I'm glad you segued right into the beginning 00:02:45.710 --> 00:02:48.229 here, because I think we'll go chronologically. 00:02:48.389 --> 00:02:50.330 We'll start with your very first experience. 00:02:50.389 --> 00:02:52.069 And you were very young. You're only three years 00:02:52.069 --> 00:02:54.930 old. And one of the questions I want you to answer, 00:02:54.990 --> 00:02:56.370 because some people are going to have is, well, 00:02:56.409 --> 00:02:58.870 how do you remember something from when you were 00:02:58.870 --> 00:03:01.830 that young? But first, just tell us what happened. 00:03:01.949 --> 00:03:05.169 What was going on? I grew up in Bogota, Colombia. 00:03:05.710 --> 00:03:08.069 My parents work. They will leave us at the care 00:03:08.069 --> 00:03:11.830 of a maid. wouldn't pay attention to what we 00:03:11.830 --> 00:03:14.870 were doing when they were not at home. One day 00:03:14.870 --> 00:03:18.270 they left, my oldest sister, she was almost four, 00:03:18.409 --> 00:03:21.849 I was almost three. The two of us decided, let's 00:03:21.849 --> 00:03:25.509 go play in the patio. We phone a ball. And in 00:03:25.509 --> 00:03:28.229 the patio, there was a tank, a deep tank where 00:03:28.229 --> 00:03:30.810 we supposed not to play because we didn't know 00:03:30.810 --> 00:03:33.349 how to swim. But guess what, Eric, when they 00:03:33.349 --> 00:03:36.469 tell you not to do something, that's good. That's 00:03:36.469 --> 00:03:39.919 where you want to go. And then it was fun. We 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:43.860 climbed the walls of the tank and she threw the 00:03:43.860 --> 00:03:47.680 ball. The idea was to play cash across the tank. 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:50.960 And then she threw a ball, didn't apply enough 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:54.699 force. I thought I can grab the ball and I leaned 00:03:54.699 --> 00:03:59.199 forward to try to grab it. It rolled. I lost 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:02.849 my balance and I fell in the tank. How deep? 00:04:02.969 --> 00:04:05.650 Something you couldn't stand up in? No, I couldn't. 00:04:05.810 --> 00:04:10.770 It was about 900 gallons of water. It was very 00:04:10.770 --> 00:04:14.710 deep. More than wide, it was deep. And it was 00:04:14.710 --> 00:04:18.509 just to store water and use that water back in 00:04:18.509 --> 00:04:22.649 the day for washing clothes. So I have never 00:04:22.649 --> 00:04:26.209 been in a pool. We didn't have a bathtub. So 00:04:26.209 --> 00:04:29.430 I didn't know that if you fall in the water, 00:04:29.509 --> 00:04:32.360 you drown. And this is the other thing, I was 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.980 born high up in the Andes, so the water in that 00:04:35.980 --> 00:04:40.680 tank was frigid cold. It was early in the morning, 00:04:40.740 --> 00:04:43.259 so that water probably was about, I don't know, 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:47.319 maybe 40, 30, 40 degrees Fahrenheit. So when 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:50.980 the first shock, more than anything, was the 00:04:50.980 --> 00:04:55.040 frigid water. Just right there, I felt that my 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:59.519 breath was taken away. And then it was the horror. 00:04:59.959 --> 00:05:04.560 the horror of why I cannot breathe. And right 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:06.519 there, right at the back area, when people ask 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:09.420 me, how can you remember? And I said, how can 00:05:09.420 --> 00:05:14.839 I forget if drowning is a horrifying experience? 00:05:16.100 --> 00:05:20.160 Imagine breathing, breathing is life. And you're 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:24.019 trying to just fight for that air. And I'm in 00:05:24.019 --> 00:05:27.319 that moment of terror. And now how can I even 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:31.610 forget what happened next? All these after that 00:05:31.610 --> 00:05:35.170 is, I like to name it because it's contrast after 00:05:35.170 --> 00:05:38.649 contrast after contrast. And the first contrast 00:05:38.649 --> 00:05:46.370 was going from that horror to peace, serenity, 00:05:46.810 --> 00:05:49.290 calmness. I didn't know what happened, Eric. 00:05:49.290 --> 00:05:52.089 I just knew that now I didn't need to breathe. 00:05:52.209 --> 00:05:55.050 I didn't need to go out of the tank. I didn't 00:05:55.050 --> 00:05:59.129 need to go anywhere. And it fell in... incredibly 00:05:59.129 --> 00:06:04.649 amazing, the good. The next thing is that I was 00:06:04.649 --> 00:06:08.569 hearing my heart beating so hard in my chest. 00:06:08.790 --> 00:06:11.209 In that moment of horror, boom, boom, boom, boom. 00:06:11.709 --> 00:06:14.610 And the other contrast was so extreme because 00:06:14.610 --> 00:06:19.410 it went from all that noise in the head to silence. 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:23.199 and I experienced what I call the silence behind 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:27.199 the silence. It was so profound, so peaceful, 00:06:27.339 --> 00:06:31.500 so good that even after the experience I craved 00:06:31.500 --> 00:06:33.959 that silence and I craved it for the rest of 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:37.060 my life. I would hide into closets under the 00:06:37.060 --> 00:06:39.399 bed, under the sheets, because I wanted that 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:42.920 silence back. And I thought that that silence 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:46.660 was like an outer silence, and it took me many 00:06:46.660 --> 00:06:49.899 years to understand that that was not something 00:06:49.899 --> 00:06:54.000 of the outer, but the inner. Now it comes the 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.860 next contrast, and it was that the tank was a 00:06:57.860 --> 00:07:01.779 very dark space. It had a roof, it was early 00:07:01.779 --> 00:07:04.660 in the morning, and the last thing I saw when 00:07:04.660 --> 00:07:09.939 I drowned was darkness. And then... After that 00:07:09.939 --> 00:07:15.740 peace, that silence, that light. Now light is 00:07:15.740 --> 00:07:18.800 coming like from below and this light is able 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:22.019 to illuminate the whole watery surrounding. And 00:07:22.019 --> 00:07:25.120 then imagine it's the sense like now there is 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:29.079 light. And then I started to see bubbles. And 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:31.839 there was bubbles surrounded by light. And then 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:35.699 imagine with the childlike spirit, I'm like, 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.040 oh, bubbles. and I started to chase the bubbles 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:42.699 and it was when I was chasing the bubbles that 00:07:42.699 --> 00:07:46.579 I turned around and I saw my body and my body 00:07:46.579 --> 00:07:50.620 was there floating in the water and this is the 00:07:50.620 --> 00:07:53.720 thing I did not feel scared I didn't even feel 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:57.220 shocked it was just that oh that's my body and 00:07:57.220 --> 00:08:00.199 it feels the sense of familiarity like oh yeah 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.319 that's my body and I have to tell you that the 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:06.350 only thing that truly shocked me and that never 00:08:06.350 --> 00:08:09.870 went away from my mind was that the eyes were 00:08:09.870 --> 00:08:13.449 open and the eyes were like staring like nowhere. 00:08:13.930 --> 00:08:16.769 You know how we say that the eyes are the mirror 00:08:16.769 --> 00:08:21.629 of the soul? These eyes felt like empty. Like 00:08:21.629 --> 00:08:24.470 if I was looking just like a costume and there 00:08:24.470 --> 00:08:28.290 was nothing, nothing there. And then it came 00:08:28.290 --> 00:08:33.129 the next contrast. I was born as a very sick 00:08:33.129 --> 00:08:36.909 child. I was born with respiratory problems and 00:08:36.909 --> 00:08:40.850 for almost those three years of life, I didn't 00:08:40.850 --> 00:08:44.070 know anything else than being sick. I didn't 00:08:44.070 --> 00:08:48.549 know how it felt to be otherwise. And when I 00:08:48.549 --> 00:08:52.330 am in this state of complete well -being, I look 00:08:52.330 --> 00:08:54.590 at that body and I'm like, I'm not going back 00:08:54.590 --> 00:08:58.090 there. And I made the conscious decision, I'm 00:08:58.090 --> 00:09:01.789 not going back into that body. And I turned around 00:09:01.789 --> 00:09:05.230 and I left the body behind. The moment I turn 00:09:05.230 --> 00:09:08.409 around, I started to see flowers. Flowers were 00:09:08.409 --> 00:09:11.330 blooming from nowhere. So now I'm like, wow, 00:09:11.470 --> 00:09:14.690 I'm mesmerized by these flowers. And then suddenly 00:09:14.690 --> 00:09:17.549 the flowers pick me up. So imagine even that 00:09:17.549 --> 00:09:20.129 sense of dimension, because who knows how big 00:09:20.129 --> 00:09:22.769 these flowers were. They pick me up, and now 00:09:22.769 --> 00:09:26.549 I am just floating in the flowers. And I'm being 00:09:26.549 --> 00:09:29.730 carried in a forward direction, and I'm just 00:09:29.730 --> 00:09:34.789 resting there. when in just a flash like that, 00:09:34.950 --> 00:09:39.070 I appeared floating above the maid. And I was 00:09:39.070 --> 00:09:42.429 in the room where she was listening to soap operas 00:09:42.429 --> 00:09:45.490 in the radio. And look, Eric, this is so sharp, 00:09:45.909 --> 00:09:49.769 so clear in my mind that I can even remember 00:09:49.769 --> 00:09:52.490 the soap opera she was listening in the radio. 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.360 If you ask a three -year -old, a two -year -old, 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:57.960 oh what mom was listening or what a friend was 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.019 listening in the radio when you were two years 00:10:00.019 --> 00:10:03.299 old, you think we're going to remember? I don't. 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:08.000 But that I do. And years later I shared the information 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.360 with my mom, with my family, and we were able 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:14.659 to verify that that soap opera was playing during 00:10:14.659 --> 00:10:18.620 those days when I drowned. Wow. Do you remember 00:10:18.620 --> 00:10:21.710 specifically ever. And maybe you're getting to 00:10:21.710 --> 00:10:24.110 this. I'm sorry if I'm jumping ahead. Was there 00:10:24.110 --> 00:10:26.629 ever a time when you were given a choice? Do 00:10:26.629 --> 00:10:29.230 you want to go back or not? I mean, you've already 00:10:29.230 --> 00:10:31.070 made up your mind. You're going to stay and not 00:10:31.070 --> 00:10:34.470 go back to that body. Yes. And oh, and that, 00:10:34.470 --> 00:10:38.230 that will be later, not even in this experience, 00:10:39.009 --> 00:10:42.830 but later in my life. And in one of my, actually 00:10:42.830 --> 00:10:45.289 in my last near the experience, I was given the 00:10:45.289 --> 00:10:48.759 choice, but in the first one, neither the second 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:53.080 one I was given the choice. I make at that moment 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:57.159 my choice of like, I'm not going back. But it's 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:02.340 clear that my soul had a different purpose and 00:11:02.340 --> 00:11:04.840 that I was going to come back. And you know, 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:08.240 now that I am mentioning the mate and what I'm 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:11.639 about to mention after the mate is clear that 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.139 the decision was, I was coming back or I would 00:11:15.139 --> 00:11:18.080 not have gone and looked for help. So this is 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.700 incredible. Although my mind said, I'm not going 00:11:20.700 --> 00:11:24.399 back. My soul is, oh, no, you're coming back. 00:11:24.460 --> 00:11:27.460 So I went to look for help. When I went to the 00:11:27.460 --> 00:11:30.679 maid's room, I even pronounced her name. I said, 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:34.220 Maria. That's Maria. But nothing happened. And 00:11:34.220 --> 00:11:39.279 in another blink, I appear floating above my 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:43.190 mom. And then My mom, I have to tell you a little 00:11:43.190 --> 00:11:45.850 bit of backstory right there, a little bit. My 00:11:45.850 --> 00:11:49.929 mom had just got a new job. What is the sense 00:11:49.929 --> 00:11:53.210 when you've gotten a new job? Urgency. You're 00:11:53.210 --> 00:11:55.830 nervous. You're preparing for this new job. That's 00:11:55.830 --> 00:11:58.570 all you have in the mind. The mom and I appear 00:11:58.570 --> 00:12:03.029 floating above her and I said, oh, that's mom. 00:12:03.789 --> 00:12:07.190 She stopped. Look at the difference with the 00:12:07.190 --> 00:12:11.549 maid. She stopped. And she knew something is 00:12:11.549 --> 00:12:14.549 happening at home with one of my babies. And 00:12:14.549 --> 00:12:16.710 that's when I had to bring the clarity of, look 00:12:16.710 --> 00:12:22.929 what love does. Look what the connection of unconditional 00:12:22.929 --> 00:12:26.769 love is doing here. Because when I went to meet 00:12:26.769 --> 00:12:30.309 the maid, there was really no connection with 00:12:30.309 --> 00:12:32.690 this person. So there was like nothing happened 00:12:32.690 --> 00:12:36.870 there. And my mom, who was blocks away from the 00:12:36.870 --> 00:12:40.309 place of the accident, at that moment knew and 00:12:40.309 --> 00:12:42.730 I have to say two things about her she had an 00:12:42.730 --> 00:12:45.970 amazing intuition and second she listened to 00:12:45.970 --> 00:12:49.529 that intuition and Eric she started to run back 00:12:49.529 --> 00:12:53.330 home and then I'm looking at her I wonder why 00:12:53.330 --> 00:12:56.769 mom is running at that moment at the end of the 00:12:56.769 --> 00:12:59.769 street I get distracted because I see a dog and 00:12:59.769 --> 00:13:03.830 I love animals the moment I feel the desire to 00:13:03.830 --> 00:13:07.759 be with the dog I am with the dog And just like, 00:13:07.899 --> 00:13:12.559 whoa. And then I saw a park, and I felt the desire 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.100 to be in the park. I am in the park. And now 00:13:15.100 --> 00:13:17.820 I'm like, well, this is fun. And I started to 00:13:17.820 --> 00:13:21.940 play a game of going places. And while playing 00:13:21.940 --> 00:13:27.139 this game in another flash, I appear in a realm. 00:13:27.820 --> 00:13:31.799 And it was a realm that was made of pure, intense, 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:36.159 shiny white light. That was the first time that 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:41.980 I felt I am home. I am home. Although I had seen 00:13:41.980 --> 00:13:45.480 my body, although all these things had happened 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.919 prior this moment, I have really never asked 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.960 who I was or wondered anything about me. You 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:55.899 know, like I just was in the motion of being 00:13:55.899 --> 00:14:00.419 in the present having fun when I realized, whoa, 00:14:00.419 --> 00:14:05.720 I am not that. I am not that body. And it's when 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:09.799 I realized myself as a being of light. And I 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:12.100 started to feel the sense of connection, losing 00:14:12.100 --> 00:14:15.100 that sense of just individuality and started 00:14:15.100 --> 00:14:18.500 to feel connected with everything. And this is 00:14:18.500 --> 00:14:21.200 the part where people ask me, like when I was 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:24.460 saying I saw flowers or I turned around and I 00:14:24.460 --> 00:14:26.440 did this and that, and how could you do that 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.220 if you didn't have a body? And I said, that's 00:14:30.220 --> 00:14:34.179 amazing how when we... identify with the idea 00:14:34.179 --> 00:14:37.919 of a body, we still think we are that. So up 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:40.500 to that moment, I did not even know what I was. 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:44.240 I never asked anything until I had this realization. 00:14:44.899 --> 00:14:48.279 And although I started to dissolve, I was still 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.559 feeling the sense of self. But even that dissolve, 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.559 I experienced what I describe or what I can understand 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:01.519 or what I felt as nothing. Some people call it 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:04.820 emptiness, some people call it non -self. And, 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:08.059 you know, I could just tell you, Eric, that from 00:15:08.059 --> 00:15:11.080 all the experience, this is the part that probably 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:14.480 is the most difficult to explain because I don't 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:19.039 really think there's words to describe what I 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:23.159 was experiencing at this point. But after many, 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:27.379 many, many, many years of trying to use the way 00:15:27.379 --> 00:15:32.240 to explain what cannot be explained. I arrived 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.379 to an analogy. People don't like to hear the 00:15:35.379 --> 00:15:40.779 word nothingness. That's kind of scary. But imagine 00:15:40.779 --> 00:15:45.580 that there is a huge stadium. And in the middle 00:15:45.580 --> 00:15:49.399 of the stadium, there's a little tiny box. And 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:53.620 all I thought I was was that box. And suddenly 00:15:53.620 --> 00:15:57.299 the box opens up. and I said that is nothing 00:15:57.299 --> 00:16:00.799 because it's nothing that I thought I was, but 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:05.200 at the same time is everything, is totality, 00:16:05.500 --> 00:16:09.200 is a sense of expansion. I just can say if I 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.919 can find words to describe this state will be 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:16.820 the state of pure potentiality, state of pure 00:16:16.820 --> 00:16:19.820 presence and absolute consciousness. is being 00:16:19.820 --> 00:16:22.700 described in many philosophies. It could be a 00:16:22.700 --> 00:16:25.480 state if I could just mention an emotion, what 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:30.340 some call nirvana or some call joy or just pure 00:16:30.340 --> 00:16:35.139 bliss. And when I am in this state, my mom finally 00:16:35.139 --> 00:16:38.740 arrived home and Eric, she knew exactly where 00:16:38.740 --> 00:16:41.799 to go. And she directed herself to the back of 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.820 the house. She didn't waste time in any place 00:16:44.820 --> 00:16:47.960 and anywhere she went there. And my oldest sister, 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.919 was trying to help me out. She didn't go say 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:54.759 anything to the maid because we didn't supposed 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:57.720 to play in this tank. So she looked at my mom 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.039 and she said, Mom, Ingrid is there and I cannot 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:04.099 get her. Came an incredible synchronicity. My 00:17:04.099 --> 00:17:07.539 mom worked with children and she had been trained 00:17:07.539 --> 00:17:11.420 to do CPR for children. My mom got me out. She 00:17:11.420 --> 00:17:13.880 just said that I would like a raggedy doll, no 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:17.480 pulse, no breathing. completely pale blue lips 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:20.559 and then she started to just do everything she 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:24.640 knew and I was so disconnected from this reality 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:30.539 that I didn't feel anything nothing at all and 00:17:30.539 --> 00:17:32.680 here comes the answer to your question nobody 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.740 asked me anything I said that I was pushed because 00:17:35.740 --> 00:17:38.920 I felt like I had jumped from the tallest building 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:43.740 in the world and there's nothing I could do to 00:17:43.740 --> 00:17:50.000 stop it, but I resisted. I was like, no! And 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:54.180 I'm being like sucked, like pulled back. And 00:17:54.180 --> 00:17:56.779 then I knew I was back in the body when imagine 00:17:56.779 --> 00:17:59.980 the sense of the expansive state of being back 00:17:59.980 --> 00:18:03.900 to the little box. Like whoop! And I am like 00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:07.000 feeling the sense of coldness and again the sense 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.039 of the illness, the sense of that lack of freedom 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:16.380 and oh I was so angry. I was so angry Eric and 00:18:16.380 --> 00:18:20.099 I did not want to be here. That mother's love 00:18:20.099 --> 00:18:23.619 is so powerful, isn't it? She was more powerful 00:18:23.619 --> 00:18:25.880 with that love bringing you back than you were 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:30.619 wanting to stay, sounds like. Yes, oh yeah, I 00:18:30.619 --> 00:18:33.660 didn't. think at all that I was going to come 00:18:33.660 --> 00:18:36.119 back. That is so much for a three -year -old 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:39.759 to process. I assume you couldn't process at 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:42.339 all at that point. Did it just sort of happen 00:18:42.339 --> 00:18:44.720 over the years that you were able to, you know, 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.500 not only remember these things, but you were 00:18:47.500 --> 00:18:50.019 talking about some very mature kind of feelings 00:18:50.019 --> 00:18:54.920 and topics here? Yes, it was very hard, very 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.920 hard, especially now that you're mentioning that. 00:18:57.940 --> 00:19:01.650 I came back with an awareness that I didn't have 00:19:01.650 --> 00:19:04.609 before. It was clear. You might say, oh, but 00:19:04.609 --> 00:19:06.609 she was just a little one. There was a before 00:19:06.609 --> 00:19:11.250 and after. I came back and I experienced my parents 00:19:11.250 --> 00:19:13.609 as like, I didn't feel them just like my parents. 00:19:13.650 --> 00:19:16.369 I have experienced a state of oneness. I felt 00:19:16.369 --> 00:19:20.269 them as my equal. And I became very rebellious. 00:19:20.450 --> 00:19:24.309 Why do I have to listen to these people? I also 00:19:24.309 --> 00:19:27.910 came back with awareness. I am not a child. I'm 00:19:27.910 --> 00:19:30.960 not a child. And I never felt like a child again. 00:19:31.460 --> 00:19:35.059 I look at other children and I was, what is happening 00:19:35.059 --> 00:19:39.660 to these people? They don't know anything. And 00:19:39.660 --> 00:19:42.220 I could not relate with them, even with many 00:19:42.220 --> 00:19:46.859 adults. It was so hard, Eric, to prove that actually 00:19:46.859 --> 00:19:50.259 this girl came with something that was different 00:19:50.259 --> 00:19:54.160 besides my attitude, besides what I was experiencing 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:56.519 was that I am like, you know, I'm just about 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:59.609 to be three years old. And now they started to 00:19:59.609 --> 00:20:03.589 see pretty quick how I was developing in an incredible 00:20:03.589 --> 00:20:07.670 fast rate, like I could read, I could write, 00:20:07.829 --> 00:20:10.250 I could develop mathematical problems, I could 00:20:10.250 --> 00:20:14.710 put together complex puzzles, I had a more complex 00:20:14.710 --> 00:20:18.630 language. Where all this came from? And then 00:20:18.630 --> 00:20:21.750 it was so fast that I even started to school 00:20:21.750 --> 00:20:26.299 early in my life and I learned so fast that In 00:20:26.299 --> 00:20:28.880 my mind, it was the clarity. I'm not learning 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:32.400 anything. I'm just remembering and just remembering. 00:20:33.019 --> 00:20:37.380 So it was very hard. It was moments where I stopped 00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:40.740 eating. I didn't even want to be touched. I didn't 00:20:40.740 --> 00:20:44.279 want to be here, period. And people ask me, but 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:47.500 you should be grateful your mom brought you back. 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:50.779 I mean, I was so little. You don't even have 00:20:50.779 --> 00:20:53.220 these concepts of being grateful or not or nothing. 00:20:53.259 --> 00:20:57.079 And then I come with another analogy. Imagine 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:01.460 that you are a child and they take you to the 00:21:01.460 --> 00:21:05.440 most amazing amusement park. You go to your dream 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:09.000 place, Disney, and suddenly a few hours later, 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:12.059 oh, we have to go home. I don't want to go. 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It was very 00:22:48.170 --> 00:22:51.230 hard and imagine like you mentioned I was so 00:22:51.230 --> 00:22:54.309 little I didn't have the language. to express 00:22:54.309 --> 00:22:58.130 what was happening. And there was not just the 00:22:58.130 --> 00:23:00.950 barrier of the language. But back then, early 00:23:00.950 --> 00:23:05.269 70s, nobody knew anything where I was about near 00:23:05.269 --> 00:23:07.250 -death experience. And nobody knew anything about 00:23:07.250 --> 00:23:10.630 this. So it even made it harder, thankfully. 00:23:11.250 --> 00:23:14.730 For me, it didn't end there. Right after my near 00:23:14.730 --> 00:23:18.599 -death experience, I... continue having experiences 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.920 like what I call a or what is known today as 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:27.099 our body experiences which I understand clearly 00:23:27.099 --> 00:23:31.079 just as shifts in a state of consciousness where 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:35.160 I kept accessing that realm of the light and 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:38.720 in these journeys I started to communicate with 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:43.720 described by back then as beings of light. And 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:47.599 that connection was the one that made things 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:51.099 possible for me. Say that the possibility that 00:23:51.099 --> 00:23:57.240 I was able to calm down and continue my life 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:01.160 with more, let's say with the possibility to 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:03.859 adapt better just because of this connection. 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:08.039 So yeah, it wasn't easy. And yeah, it took many, 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.859 many, many years, Eric, to integrate the experiences. 00:24:12.740 --> 00:24:16.039 Because after that came all these other spiritual 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:20.279 experiences and a second ND and to understand 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:24.460 what was happening and from where all this was 00:24:24.460 --> 00:24:28.359 coming from. So I think it probably, it wasn't 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:33.359 until my late 40s that I had what I call a big 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:36.079 awakening. We're going to come back to that if 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:39.160 we have time. One of the things that really stood 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:41.519 out to me, and I know it didn't seem like a big 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:45.220 deal. But it's unusual and that is how much you 00:24:45.220 --> 00:24:48.900 craved silence after this Especially as a child. 00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:51.220 That's an unusual thing I think it's really cool 00:24:51.220 --> 00:24:53.779 and really interesting and you don't have to 00:24:53.779 --> 00:24:56.059 have any more answers than that I just am kind 00:24:56.059 --> 00:24:59.940 of pondering on that interesting fact All right 00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:02.680 that that's amazing and in all of these experiences 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:06.200 change people Even a three -year -old can be 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:09.369 changed and you were changed in some big ways 00:25:09.369 --> 00:25:12.490 and different than the other kids in some very 00:25:12.490 --> 00:25:15.809 big ways. All right. Let's fast forward. Let's 00:25:15.809 --> 00:25:19.269 go to when you were 24 years old, when you had 00:25:19.269 --> 00:25:22.390 experience number two, and there's a great big 00:25:22.390 --> 00:25:26.950 gap between these, but let's talk about the next 00:25:26.950 --> 00:25:29.670 NDE and then we'll see if we need to make some 00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:32.940 kind of connection between the two. Yes. Perfect. 00:25:33.220 --> 00:25:36.640 Yeah, by then I was already working as a marine 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:39.759 biologist. I was living in an island in the Caribbean 00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:44.920 and I got my first motorcycle and I was nervous 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.539 and happy to have it and a friend asked me to 00:25:48.539 --> 00:25:51.079 bring him to his house in the mountains. I was 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:54.859 very nervous too. driving the mountains and look 00:25:54.859 --> 00:25:58.440 what fear does. The fear of not knowing what 00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:00.839 you're doing. I was, I guess, in a moment of 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:04.380 blinding fear that I don't even know what happened. 00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:07.859 The moment we were going up the hill and I had 00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:10.579 a friend sitting, the friend that wanted me to 00:26:10.579 --> 00:26:12.559 bring him to his house, he was sitting at the 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:15.420 back, that I lost my balance. I don't know what 00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:19.140 happened, but the bike fell. And it just, when 00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:22.119 he was asking for changing gears, something happened, 00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:24.980 the bike fell. And I know that the next thing 00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:27.380 I know, I'm standing in the middle of the road 00:26:27.380 --> 00:26:32.180 and I'm in the presence of the light. And the 00:26:32.180 --> 00:26:35.640 light is shining so bright. And you know, the 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:41.769 most amazing thing was again, going back. from 00:26:41.769 --> 00:26:44.970 fear. Look, in the first one was drowning, in 00:26:44.970 --> 00:26:49.609 this one was the bye to peace and calmness. That's 00:26:49.609 --> 00:26:54.029 the thing that I would just say maybe shocked 00:26:54.029 --> 00:26:57.829 me the most or I can keep in my mind as the most 00:26:57.829 --> 00:27:03.089 clear thing the lack of fear. None of that was 00:27:03.089 --> 00:27:06.730 there, no negative emotion, only again, peace 00:27:06.730 --> 00:27:10.369 and quiet and stillness and calmness. And again, 00:27:10.529 --> 00:27:15.109 the sense of like, I'm ready to go home. And 00:27:15.109 --> 00:27:18.769 I was completely ready when I was picked at the 00:27:18.769 --> 00:27:21.809 scene of the accident. That's when the fear came 00:27:21.809 --> 00:27:25.210 back because somebody touched my body and I just 00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:29.329 wonder why I cannot feel, why I cannot see this 00:27:29.329 --> 00:27:31.680 person that is. someone is touching me and I 00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:35.019 cannot see this person. And I touched my face 00:27:35.019 --> 00:27:39.039 and I realized that I could not see my physical 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:43.579 eyes. I had a very, very bad head trauma and 00:27:43.579 --> 00:27:47.299 I had lost my vision. I was taken to the hospital. 00:27:47.529 --> 00:27:50.289 At the hospital, just inflammation started to 00:27:50.289 --> 00:27:53.470 go down and I started to recover my vision. But 00:27:53.470 --> 00:27:56.490 right there with the doctor and my friend in 00:27:56.490 --> 00:27:59.589 the recovery room, the doctor said that I had 00:27:59.589 --> 00:28:03.470 to lose my vision when I fell the moment my head 00:28:03.470 --> 00:28:06.130 hit the ground because I didn't have a helmet. 00:28:06.569 --> 00:28:10.569 Oh, my God. Crazy girl. And then I said, I don't 00:28:10.569 --> 00:28:13.769 think so, because I was standing in the middle 00:28:13.769 --> 00:28:17.839 of the road and I was seeing light. I thought, 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.579 yeah, I'm seeing. And then my friend said, no, 00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:24.559 Ingrid, it's not possible because it was at night 00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:29.460 and the road was pitch black. There was not street 00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:32.460 lights. You could not have seen any light. And 00:28:32.460 --> 00:28:36.259 he said, by the way, you never stood up. So it's 00:28:36.259 --> 00:28:40.460 when I realized... I get it. I didn't see the 00:28:40.460 --> 00:28:43.000 light with the eyes of my physical body. Look, 00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.339 the physical eyes were not even there. I was 00:28:45.339 --> 00:28:49.220 seeing with the eyes of my soul. So it was that 00:28:49.220 --> 00:28:51.859 clarity of light. It's when I started to understand 00:28:51.859 --> 00:28:55.359 with more clarity about the inner senses, what 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.299 I call the senses of the soul. And then this 00:28:58.299 --> 00:29:01.440 is the other thing. This experience was so key 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:04.400 later in my life when people ask me if their 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:08.420 loved ones suffer. when they die in accidents 00:29:08.420 --> 00:29:11.059 that are terrible accidents like this. And I 00:29:11.059 --> 00:29:16.140 said, no, no, there's no physical pain. Emotional 00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:19.400 pain might be different, but physical pain? I 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:21.779 said, the pain belongs to the nervous system. 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:25.640 The moment that you're out of the body, no pain. 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:31.339 Even before the bike fell, I was already out. 00:29:31.579 --> 00:29:36.599 I never felt any pain whatsoever. So it was that 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.819 reassuring sense of like, yeah, there's no physical 00:29:39.819 --> 00:29:42.740 pain. And the other incredible thing that I experienced 00:29:42.740 --> 00:29:46.579 there was when I came back in the body, the connection 00:29:46.579 --> 00:29:50.700 between the soul and the nervous system, like 00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:53.559 almost like a spark. I don't know how to explain 00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.700 this. Imagine that you have a toaster and without 00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:59.099 being plugged to the electricity, it cannot do 00:29:59.099 --> 00:30:01.900 anything. And the moment you plug it, you hear 00:30:01.900 --> 00:30:06.240 the spark of connection with. the electricity 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.759 and now it has a function. So I experienced that 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:15.000 how we came here to experience through all these 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.180 bodies, through all these senses, through these 00:30:17.180 --> 00:30:21.440 nervous systems. So it was incredible. And at 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.539 that moment I have become a little bit busy with 00:30:24.539 --> 00:30:27.799 my career, a little bit out of focus from all 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:29.940 this spiritual thing. And it was kind of like, 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:32.279 oh, no, no, no, no, no, you need to come back. 00:30:32.380 --> 00:30:35.500 You need to come back to alignment. Go back and 00:30:35.500 --> 00:30:38.680 look within to brought me back to that silence 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:43.819 again. Okay. Wow. It's beautiful stuff. I want 00:30:43.819 --> 00:30:46.799 to go ahead and jump up to, to the latest experience. 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:50.819 There was another one in between that, that you 00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:53.500 were telling me earlier, you don't really remember 00:30:53.500 --> 00:30:57.180 very much of. So let's jump to an experience 00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:01.519 just what three years ago? Yes. Three years ago, 00:31:01.819 --> 00:31:06.710 I, uh, I was. I was diagnosed with, what is the 00:31:06.710 --> 00:31:10.470 name of this? I had very severe inflammation. 00:31:11.029 --> 00:31:13.309 Eric, I cannot even remember the name of this 00:31:13.309 --> 00:31:16.789 condition, but I needed surgery. At that moment, 00:31:16.829 --> 00:31:20.630 I was avoiding surgery because I just thought 00:31:20.630 --> 00:31:24.250 I could heal with just traditional things or 00:31:24.250 --> 00:31:28.369 just medicine. I was just thinking, I don't need 00:31:28.369 --> 00:31:32.529 this surgery. I decided just to walk away from 00:31:32.529 --> 00:31:37.210 that. And one night I went to sleep and I was 00:31:37.210 --> 00:31:42.210 feeling the sense of dread, the feeling of deep 00:31:42.210 --> 00:31:44.329 anguish, the feeling of, I don't know what is 00:31:44.329 --> 00:31:47.410 happening. And I am a very empathic person. So 00:31:47.410 --> 00:31:51.029 I just thought maybe I'm feeling somebody else's 00:31:51.029 --> 00:31:53.829 stress or somebody else's feelings. And every 00:31:53.829 --> 00:31:56.430 time I mentioned these, these feelings go away. 00:31:56.589 --> 00:32:00.269 That moment, I kept feeling so worried. I went 00:32:00.269 --> 00:32:03.349 to sleep. I just slept for a couple of hours, 00:32:03.390 --> 00:32:06.150 woke up again. And the worry was such that I 00:32:06.150 --> 00:32:09.089 felt that I had tachycardia when I woke up. I 00:32:09.089 --> 00:32:13.390 went into deep, like a state of breathing, calmness. 00:32:13.410 --> 00:32:16.589 I already practiced all these different techniques. 00:32:17.130 --> 00:32:20.430 And then it's when I heard the words, do you 00:32:20.430 --> 00:32:24.210 trust me? And when I heard the words, do you 00:32:24.210 --> 00:32:27.759 trust me? I wanted to peace the moment I say, 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:32.380 I do. Yes, I do. And then the rest of the night 00:32:32.380 --> 00:32:35.299 I was in a state of deep, deep, deep connection. 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.180 And I even heard the words that said, you are 00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:42.319 in sync with God. Next day, I got up and I was 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.460 in that state of deep, deep, deep connection. 00:32:46.220 --> 00:32:50.420 And now remembering these words, five days after 00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:54.420 this experience, I was in a horrendous car accident. 00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:59.000 And in the car accident, the seat belt pressure 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.720 so hard, my chest and my abdomen, the surgery 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.960 that I didn't want to have had to happen. Pretty 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.420 much life was pushing me to have the surgery. 00:33:09.619 --> 00:33:12.940 I guess it was to have the experience I was about 00:33:12.940 --> 00:33:17.359 to happen. Prior to the surgery, I told the doctor 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.299 that something was going to happen. I already 00:33:20.299 --> 00:33:23.500 knew, Eric, I had. the knowing. I said, something 00:33:23.500 --> 00:33:26.539 is going to happen with my blood pressure. And 00:33:26.539 --> 00:33:29.460 I told the doctor repeatedly, something you have 00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:32.880 to monitor my blood pressure. And then she called 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.140 anesthesiologist and everything because I was 00:33:35.140 --> 00:33:39.059 so adamant. And then she listened to what I had 00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:41.460 to say. And during the surgery, they were just 00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:44.660 their check -ins when my blood pressure went 00:33:44.660 --> 00:33:48.019 to the ground and I went into hypothermia. And 00:33:48.019 --> 00:33:51.980 the moment this happened, I immediately went 00:33:51.980 --> 00:33:55.220 to the light. I just have to say, and I don't 00:33:55.220 --> 00:33:58.039 know if you hear it from other, near -their -experiencers, 00:33:58.259 --> 00:34:01.039 it was like, cut with the chase. You don't have 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:03.799 to go experience any other thing, so go here 00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:08.039 to see that, go directly to the light. And now 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.340 I'm answering a question you asked me at the 00:34:10.340 --> 00:34:14.659 beginning. If I ever heard, it's not your time, 00:34:14.780 --> 00:34:17.739 or if I was given a choice, this is the first 00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:23.699 time. that I heard if I wanted to stay or I wanted 00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:27.699 to come back. And when I heard if I wanted to 00:34:27.699 --> 00:34:32.340 stay, wow, my first answer was, of course I want 00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:36.380 to stay. Since my very first near -death experience, 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:40.300 I always wanted to go back home. I was homesick 00:34:40.300 --> 00:34:43.599 all my life. And that's why this experience was 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:48.769 so important, Eric. It closed a cycle. of depression 00:34:48.769 --> 00:34:53.429 I had had all my life because I always felt I 00:34:53.429 --> 00:34:57.030 want to go back home. And I felt kind of bad 00:34:57.030 --> 00:35:00.110 to tell the story to my family because I felt 00:35:00.110 --> 00:35:03.269 so detached. And this is beautiful because the 00:35:03.269 --> 00:35:05.750 detachment is no lack of love. The detachment 00:35:05.750 --> 00:35:09.110 is because you are in complete connection with 00:35:09.110 --> 00:35:12.349 everything and everyone. So when I am there, 00:35:12.409 --> 00:35:15.949 I'm like knowing that God's plan is perfect. 00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:18.860 And there's nothing I have to change or fix. 00:35:19.219 --> 00:35:22.960 And then I heard, oh, you want to go back. And 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.260 at that moment I say, wait a minute, is this 00:35:26.260 --> 00:35:32.360 a test? Because if God is everywhere and absolutely 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.900 everything is a manifestation of consciousness. 00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:41.659 So what is here and what is there? I said, oh, 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.820 I get it. There is no here and there is not there. 00:35:46.219 --> 00:35:50.539 There is only consciousness. Where I am in my 00:35:50.539 --> 00:35:53.639 state of consciousness. And it's when I realize 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:59.019 I get it. Home is not a place. It's a state of 00:35:59.019 --> 00:36:02.579 being. And then the only thing that crossed my 00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:08.139 mind was to say, keep me where I can serve God 00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:12.369 the most. And the moment I said those words, 00:36:12.690 --> 00:36:15.250 give me where I can serve you the most. I started 00:36:15.250 --> 00:36:18.369 to feel the sense of how detached I was now. 00:36:18.570 --> 00:36:21.469 I was like, oh, my son, my husband, my family, 00:36:21.550 --> 00:36:24.309 my purpose. I needed something that anchored 00:36:24.309 --> 00:36:28.869 me back. And all that pulled me back here. And 00:36:28.869 --> 00:36:32.969 it's when I realized, Eric, I get it. It's not 00:36:32.969 --> 00:36:38.599 about near dead. It's about near life. how I 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.739 can live my life to the fullest, how I can use 00:36:42.739 --> 00:36:46.960 the whole of everything to remember who I am 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.840 truly and continue just living a life in presence 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.239 and love and connection. And yeah, in challenge 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.800 too, by understanding that all these challenges 00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:00.460 are for my own growth and evolution. So now that 00:37:00.460 --> 00:37:02.960 you've had that side of the experience where 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.599 it was more of your choice and you realized the 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.320 whys behind it, Do you still feel that longing, 00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:12.920 that homesickness that you had before? No, it 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.000 completely closed that cycle. It was the absolute 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.860 clarity. And you know, I even had a vision of 00:37:18.860 --> 00:37:21.719 say that you're sitting here and you put in yourself 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:26.159 some virtual reality goggles and you put the 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.679 goggles and you just go up and down and here 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:31.500 and there. And you feel that you've been experiencing 00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:33.920 all these and you remove the goggles and you 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:38.349 realize I never went anywhere. I've always have 00:37:38.349 --> 00:37:42.329 been here. I've always have been home. I just 00:37:42.329 --> 00:37:45.110 thought that I was going somewhere else, doing 00:37:45.110 --> 00:37:48.309 this, being there. And now my connection with 00:37:48.309 --> 00:37:52.429 the divine, my connection with spirit, my wholeness, 00:37:53.590 --> 00:37:57.230 my expanded state of being is in me. I am the 00:37:57.230 --> 00:38:00.389 whole of it. So I don't have to go anywhere and 00:38:00.389 --> 00:38:03.269 I can even feel this now. I don't need to be 00:38:03.269 --> 00:38:06.289 here or there to feel that I belong. I belong 00:38:06.289 --> 00:38:10.170 because I am the scent. How much fear of death 00:38:10.170 --> 00:38:15.010 do you have now? Zero. Zero, Eric. And you know, 00:38:15.170 --> 00:38:18.269 you can even ask me and it happened since I was 00:38:18.269 --> 00:38:21.670 little, not even with the very first near that 00:38:21.670 --> 00:38:25.320 experience. And one thing is to know And one 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.079 thing is to believe that you don't. And I had 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.900 the possibility to experience firsthand that 00:38:31.900 --> 00:38:34.920 what I was feeling was real because I have had 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:39.059 experiences in which for other reasons, I faced 00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:42.599 situations of deep, deep danger, deep danger 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.380 where my life was like about to be taken once 00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:50.219 I was almost raped and murdered. And the moment 00:38:50.219 --> 00:38:53.760 that I remember who I truly was and the moment 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.500 I was in a beach area, I turned my head and I 00:38:57.500 --> 00:39:01.679 said, today's a good day to die. And I was in 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.300 this space of complete presence and I knew you 00:39:05.300 --> 00:39:07.920 can kill or you can destroy this body all you 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.860 want, but you cannot destroy me. Well, there's 00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:13.519 something we don't hear every day. It's a good 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:18.320 day to die. That's really different. Now, when 00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:22.179 you were a child, were you also lacking that 00:39:22.179 --> 00:39:26.099 fear of death? Yes, to the point that my parents 00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:28.539 had to keep an eye on me because I didn't fear 00:39:28.539 --> 00:39:31.219 anything. And that brought me to have actually 00:39:31.219 --> 00:39:33.800 the possibility to do so many things, travel 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.239 the world. I've been in 65 countries of the world, 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.039 be here and there, do extreme things, sports, 00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:43.320 anything, because I never had this incredible 00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:46.260 house to live alive. without the fear of that 00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:49.920 you're more daring. You're able to do just many 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.599 things because you know really you are an eternal 00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:57.659 being that doesn't really exist. So I always 00:39:57.659 --> 00:40:01.739 knew you can take this body but you cannot destroy 00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:05.239 who I am. Yeah I like that a lot. Do you have 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:09.260 any advice for parents out there who maybe have 00:40:09.260 --> 00:40:11.599 a child that has been through an experience like 00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:15.690 this? Your child is now different. Okay, parent, 00:40:15.769 --> 00:40:19.969 mom or dad, how do I not only deal with this, 00:40:20.010 --> 00:40:23.510 but best nurture this child after what they've 00:40:23.510 --> 00:40:26.710 been through? It's very important. And I have 00:40:26.710 --> 00:40:29.590 had the possibility to talk to parents and to 00:40:29.590 --> 00:40:32.909 talk to children. And incredibly, I met like 00:40:32.909 --> 00:40:35.849 in my experience, the children were nervous. 00:40:35.849 --> 00:40:38.369 They didn't want to talk. They were scared because 00:40:38.369 --> 00:40:42.050 what is that? You need validation. The most important 00:40:42.050 --> 00:40:45.449 thing, just listen. listen to what they have 00:40:45.449 --> 00:40:47.690 to say. I think for me, in my own experience, 00:40:47.929 --> 00:40:50.650 my mom became the greatest thing. My mom was 00:40:50.650 --> 00:40:54.010 the first person validating what I was seeing 00:40:54.010 --> 00:40:58.030 and I was experiencing was something she had 00:40:58.030 --> 00:41:00.570 to listen to. She had to connect with me there. 00:41:01.010 --> 00:41:03.989 And after that, my grandmother, she became my 00:41:03.989 --> 00:41:07.130 spiritual teacher. So I think the most important 00:41:07.130 --> 00:41:11.630 thing is to listen. to don't go on and just right 00:41:11.630 --> 00:41:14.170 off the bat denying what they're saying or you're 00:41:14.170 --> 00:41:16.889 seeing things or you're crazy or whatever, because 00:41:16.889 --> 00:41:20.630 that immediately is going to cause a sense of 00:41:20.630 --> 00:41:23.750 pain and suffering and is when things are going 00:41:23.750 --> 00:41:27.050 to go very, very wrong for the child. But the 00:41:27.050 --> 00:41:29.489 moment that you feel that you're being listened 00:41:29.489 --> 00:41:33.550 just by, you know, the power of listening has 00:41:33.550 --> 00:41:37.250 so much healing. in it so just listen with an 00:41:37.250 --> 00:41:40.190 open mind and an open heart that's already the 00:41:40.190 --> 00:41:43.190 route of healing. Last thing that I wanted to 00:41:43.190 --> 00:41:46.730 get into for a minute is as someone who grew 00:41:46.730 --> 00:41:50.590 up with these spiritual type experiences and 00:41:50.590 --> 00:41:53.949 then you became a scientist and we tend to think 00:41:53.949 --> 00:41:56.550 that those things are at odds with each other 00:41:56.550 --> 00:42:00.449 that there's no congruency. How did you balance 00:42:00.449 --> 00:42:03.590 all of that in your own mind? Well, you know, 00:42:03.889 --> 00:42:07.429 and right before going to that answer, just because 00:42:07.429 --> 00:42:11.389 we're going to talk about science, I would also 00:42:11.389 --> 00:42:15.449 tell the parents to be informed, to be informed, 00:42:15.590 --> 00:42:19.250 to study, to learn what is happening, not just 00:42:19.250 --> 00:42:21.829 be reactive and I don't understand what it is, 00:42:21.969 --> 00:42:25.530 just study, learn. Nowadays, there are many things 00:42:25.530 --> 00:42:28.590 that are available for everybody to be able to 00:42:28.590 --> 00:42:33.219 understand things deeper. And yeah, my path of 00:42:33.219 --> 00:42:36.579 science is that this is so interesting because, 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.739 you know, for me, I would just say that science 00:42:40.739 --> 00:42:44.300 and spirituality, people feel the sense that 00:42:44.300 --> 00:42:46.079 they are the world, that they are divided. And 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.239 I say the separation is in the mind. Because 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.000 the most important thing is also to refrain the 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.199 idea of what is to be spiritual. To be spiritual 00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:00.440 is to remember. your authentic self to go back 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.639 to the root of who you are and to be able to 00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.079 go back and explore and see and remember who 00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.019 you are. You have to be an observer. You have 00:43:12.019 --> 00:43:15.159 to be curious. You have to ask questions. You 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:19.659 have to have curiosity. You have to go look for 00:43:19.659 --> 00:43:21.980 answers. And that's the path of science too. 00:43:22.349 --> 00:43:26.570 So I just say that in reality, spirituality is 00:43:26.570 --> 00:43:29.010 science. If I come to you, Eric, and I said, 00:43:29.010 --> 00:43:33.429 look, and there's a sky, all this is full of 00:43:33.429 --> 00:43:35.809 clouds. And I said, Eric, beyond those clouds, 00:43:35.829 --> 00:43:38.949 there's a blue sky. If you choose to believe 00:43:38.949 --> 00:43:43.050 me, just to believe me, that is dogma without 00:43:43.050 --> 00:43:47.250 any other way of proving that, that's dogma. 00:43:47.289 --> 00:43:50.510 But in the moment that you say, you start by, 00:43:50.710 --> 00:43:55.050 yeah, I believe, but... Let's go on and let's 00:43:55.050 --> 00:43:58.989 ask the real, is there really a blue sky there? 00:43:59.030 --> 00:44:02.610 I want to go see it. So you start with your hypothesis, 00:44:02.969 --> 00:44:06.050 is there is a blue sky or not? And after that 00:44:06.050 --> 00:44:09.190 you get your airplane, however you get it, you 00:44:09.190 --> 00:44:11.869 build it, you get it, and you cross those clouds 00:44:11.869 --> 00:44:15.139 and you see there's really a blue sky here. then 00:44:15.139 --> 00:44:19.920 now you get your results. You're able to compare. 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.380 You come back here and you share all these results 00:44:23.380 --> 00:44:26.079 and your conclusions and everything with the 00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.960 people. So look at the end of the day, you need 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.980 to do the work. You need to have curiosity. You 00:44:32.980 --> 00:44:35.719 need to have observation. You need to have results. 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.800 So I said, I could offer you the best meditation 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.340 in the world, but if you never practice it, you 00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:44.730 will never know what it does for you. See? So 00:44:44.730 --> 00:44:48.469 at the end of the day, you have to go through 00:44:48.469 --> 00:44:51.809 all the experience. At the end of the day, you 00:44:51.809 --> 00:44:54.489 have to become the observer of yourself. There 00:44:54.489 --> 00:44:57.030 was a moment that I asked the universe, how can 00:44:57.030 --> 00:45:00.170 I do to understand and unravel the mysteries 00:45:00.170 --> 00:45:03.829 of the universe? I asked for nothing. And the 00:45:03.829 --> 00:45:07.389 answer was to understand and unravel the mysteries 00:45:07.389 --> 00:45:11.900 of the universe. Know thyself. And we can be 00:45:11.900 --> 00:45:15.719 very curious without being skeptical. Exactly. 00:45:16.059 --> 00:45:18.760 And everything, yeah, of course, because everything 00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.800 starts with that, like that question. And there 00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.480 is choice in our belief. How does that relate 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.179 to somebody who might be saying today, I don't 00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:32.300 know if there's an afterlife. I don't know if 00:45:32.300 --> 00:45:35.619 there is a God. Does it fit the same formula? 00:45:36.619 --> 00:45:41.469 I just say that everyone is having. their own 00:45:41.469 --> 00:45:44.670 experience and we have to go through everything. 00:45:45.590 --> 00:45:50.150 Sometimes we have to go through the path of like 00:45:50.150 --> 00:45:54.750 peeling layers of what we are not until we discover 00:45:54.750 --> 00:45:57.750 what we are. The only way to know what you are 00:45:57.750 --> 00:46:00.730 is by knowing what you are not. So you peel all 00:46:00.730 --> 00:46:02.969 these layers, all these layers until you just 00:46:02.969 --> 00:46:05.409 get to the core of what you are and sometimes 00:46:05.409 --> 00:46:07.710 we have to go through doubt and sometimes we 00:46:07.710 --> 00:46:10.469 have to go through disbelief and sometimes we 00:46:10.469 --> 00:46:13.690 have to go through all these things and life, 00:46:13.849 --> 00:46:16.730 only life and your own experience because I can 00:46:16.730 --> 00:46:20.750 tell you and I can try to convince you all I 00:46:20.750 --> 00:46:24.030 want and that's not going to work. The only thing 00:46:24.030 --> 00:46:27.110 I could do is share my experience and everybody 00:46:27.110 --> 00:46:29.940 else will do. their own experience. How many 00:46:29.940 --> 00:46:34.019 near -their -experiencers were atheists and say, 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.699 I didn't believe in anything. I've talked to 00:46:36.699 --> 00:46:40.119 many. I will shake you hard. And you're like, 00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:42.480 oh, people that it doesn't even have to be a 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.420 near -their -experience, an experience of such 00:46:45.420 --> 00:46:48.659 extreme moment that people that never believe 00:46:48.659 --> 00:46:51.300 in God would just go and say, please God help 00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:54.119 me. And it happens. It's the moment in which 00:46:54.119 --> 00:47:00.369 you open yourself to what was hidden. It is always 00:47:00.369 --> 00:47:03.750 that knowing inside ourselves there's more than 00:47:03.750 --> 00:47:08.550 this outer reality. Beautiful stuff Ingrid. And 00:47:08.550 --> 00:47:11.630 if people want to learn more about you, we've 00:47:11.630 --> 00:47:14.570 got ingridhankala .com. I'll put it down on the 00:47:14.570 --> 00:47:16.750 show notes and go ahead and mention your couple 00:47:16.750 --> 00:47:19.739 of books that you've written too. Yes, yes, yes. 00:47:20.019 --> 00:47:22.280 I've written a few books, two for adults, two 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.699 for children. My first book is an autobiography, 00:47:25.860 --> 00:47:28.900 A Brightly Guided Life, how a scientist learns 00:47:28.900 --> 00:47:32.300 to hear her inner wisdom. And my second book 00:47:32.300 --> 00:47:36.360 is Dying to See the Light, a guide to reawakening 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:40.360 without nearly dying. So it's more like a guide 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.030 to... bring people to realize you don't have 00:47:43.030 --> 00:47:45.530 to die because people ask me I would like to 00:47:45.530 --> 00:47:47.849 die and like no you don't want to die but you 00:47:47.849 --> 00:47:50.670 can do all these things instead so it's a guide 00:47:50.670 --> 00:47:53.469 and it's a guide for that for questioning for 00:47:53.469 --> 00:47:57.130 looking within for looking for answers for curiosity 00:47:57.130 --> 00:48:00.369 so that's that book and then I have two books 00:48:00.369 --> 00:48:04.769 just for children so children kind of start asking 00:48:04.769 --> 00:48:08.070 those questions yeah I think encouraging the 00:48:08.070 --> 00:48:10.670 questions is a good thing I'm going to give you 00:48:10.670 --> 00:48:15.030 the last word here. This show is not about death. 00:48:15.210 --> 00:48:18.130 It's about hope and it's about life and it's 00:48:18.130 --> 00:48:21.670 about love. Leave us some kind of a message of 00:48:21.670 --> 00:48:24.829 hope because we're living in a world right now 00:48:24.829 --> 00:48:27.730 that, wow, there's not a lot of it. There's just 00:48:27.730 --> 00:48:30.909 bad news everywhere. Leave us with some hope 00:48:30.909 --> 00:48:35.769 today. You know, this is a message I received 00:48:35.769 --> 00:48:39.300 from what I call being so light, and it's a really 00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:42.139 beautiful message they sent to me. Ingrid, you 00:48:42.139 --> 00:48:46.019 don't imagine how grateful everyone would be 00:48:46.019 --> 00:48:51.920 if you realize that for you to exist, trillions 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:55.900 and trillions and trillions of subatomic particles 00:48:55.900 --> 00:49:01.880 have to be in agreement. You are divine. You 00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:04.920 are a divine being. Look at these subatomic particles 00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:09.280 could have chosen be anything else and they decided 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.800 to be you and I see it with everything and nowadays 00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.920 I see wow these spend trillions and trillions 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:20.159 of subatomic particles keep it together to be 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:23.780 this pen so I can use it and at the same time 00:49:23.780 --> 00:49:27.139 it was created by the creative thinking of the 00:49:27.139 --> 00:49:30.079 universe someone that was connected with creativity 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.599 so I tried to see things with those eyes what 00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:38.420 can I do to be the peace I want to see in the 00:49:38.420 --> 00:49:41.400 world. What can I do to be the joy I want to 00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:43.860 see in the world, the love I want to see in the 00:49:43.860 --> 00:49:48.260 world? So I do not lose myself in what is happening 00:49:48.260 --> 00:49:51.039 out there. The beings of light also say to me, 00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:54.460 do not worry for what others do. Not because 00:49:54.460 --> 00:49:57.420 you don't care, but because you care so much 00:49:57.420 --> 00:50:02.079 that you correct yourself first. So be the light 00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:07.889 that you want to see in the world. Be that. Thanks 00:50:07.889 --> 00:50:10.289 again for listening and sharing this podcast. 00:50:10.630 --> 00:50:12.989 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button 00:50:12.989 --> 00:50:15.409 and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath 00:50:15.409 --> 00:50:18.889 .com. If you want to share your near -death experience 00:50:18.889 --> 00:50:21.210 or if you have questions or comments about the 00:50:21.210 --> 00:50:24.090 show, send an email to eric at roundtripdeath 00:50:24.090 --> 00:50:27.269 .com. 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