From the time that they pronounced me that was
a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then
they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I
could see people screaming and crying But I didn't
realize that was actually my physical body because
I was somewhere else The only thing that I could
feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace
there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was
greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back
home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.
Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
We have a fun guest today. I'm so excited to
hear from Steven Weber. How are you, Steven?
Oh, I'm doing great. It's such a pleasure to
be on today. I'm looking forward to our conversation.
I'm a big fan of the channel. So let's go. Well
I appreciate you reaching out telling me a little
bit about your story and I think we're just going
to jump right into it after we spend a few seconds.
Stephen, tell us just a little bit about you
and then I'll get you going on the story. Sure
thing. I'm retired now. I've been in IT all my
life. I'm an engineer and, you know, I was very
much into it, but now I live in the beautiful
state of Florida. It's great. I live in paradise.
I come from New York, so it's pretty cold there.
Good deal of the year. So I just love it here.
I live in a great community. Everybody's my friend.
If I don't come out of my house for two days,
the neighbors come by with a big bowl of food
wondering if everything's okay. And it's just
a wonderful place to live. I have a little dog.
which I call Stitch after the Lido and Stitch
movie and she's a doll. Just enjoying life in
a lot of ways like many people. At this point
in my life I deserve a rest. You're allowed to
pick her up and show her to everybody. Is she
handy? Bitch, where are you young lady? I think
she's hiding. It's thundering here. So when it's
thundering she kind of like goes underneath the
couch. If she comes around later you can show
her off to the whole world, okay? I will. Okay.
Sounds great. Alright, I want to jump into it.
We're going to go back just to 2015. You've been
a Harley rider for a long, long time. What was
going on that particular day? I was heading out
to the Hamptons on Long Island. That's like where
all the movie stars hang out. There's a little
barbecue place that I would drive out to and
have some barbecue and go home. It was a spring
day, so at the time, there weren't a lot of people
around. And so on my way back, the road was packed.
There must have been an accident or perhaps emergency
road work. And so after sitting there for a while,
people were going on the shoulder to make a right
hand turn to get out of. the traffic. So that's
what I did. And as soon as I got to the intersection,
somebody came in the other direction, made a
left -hand turn, someone had let them in, and
they t -boned me right on the side of my motorcycle.
For me, that's when the lights went out. I didn't
know what happened. Next thing is, I knew I was
laying on the roadway and I was looking up. And
some time must have passed because all I saw
was emergency workers all around me. It was surreal.
And I remember looking around and thinking to
myself, This day is gonna be like nothing like
any other day I've ever had in my life. And then
next things I knew, as I was flying through the
clouds, I was going higher and higher, and I
felt like this was gonna be it. Like I was dying.
And next things I knew, I was looking down and
I saw, I started coming out of the clouds. And
then I looked down and I saw a big H with a circle
on it. And I realized I was being airlifted.
into one of the premier trauma centers in the
world stony brook hospital university hospital
and that was the last thing i remember on being
on this earth in the real sense for what seemed
like a lifetime but really it was about a month
that i was in a coma. So the very first memory
here you're talking about wasn't really you lifting
out of your body this is you taking the chopper
ride okay. So you're in the hospital for quite
some time. Just very briefly, I don't need a
full medical history, but how badly were you
hurt? Well, my whole left side was crushed. My
left leg was all... It wasn't connected just
by the skin. It was a compound fracture at my
hip. The lower part of my leg was fractured,
my shoulder, my spine. I had a traumatic brain
injury and I had internal bleeding. Believe it
or not, that was the most dangerous thing. They
had to do several surgeries to stabilize me from
that. And I've lots of metal in me. And that's
the way it was for a while. It was touch and
go. I was in a coma for about three weeks, almost
a month. That was when I experienced. So was
there one medical event that kind of set you
gone where you felt like you left your body?
Well, it was more like it was the coma. I was
in the coma for a long time. Like some people
like they'll have a heart attack and all of a
sudden they'll have this experience. But when
I was in the coma, I didn't know I was anywhere
else. It wasn't like there was an event. It was
like all of a sudden, I was just going on with
my life. I didn't know anything else was going
on, like anything was different, although things
appeared to get pretty strange very quickly.
But there wasn't one event. The most medical
thing was my internal bleeding because they couldn't
find it. And that's what caused a lot of the
trouble. But what I believe was happening to
me is I was going through a death process where
perhaps you transition from your physical life
into a spiritual life. And you're making sense
of your physical life in order to understand
what's happening to you. And that's what I think
was going on. It's not about the brain being
dead or not about the heart stopping. It was
my overall state. I remember showing my medical
report to my primary physician and he looked
at it and he threw it down. He dropped it down
on the table and said, Steve, this is an autopsy
report. And that's the way it was. I'm sorry.
This is not funny, but an autopsy report. Holy
cow. I tell you, when I received the best medical
care possible, it was. Stony Brook University
is a university hospital. I graduated from there.
My mother graduated from there. My daughter graduated
from there. I was very familiar with what's going
on. In fact, the surgeon who did the operation
on my leg told me if this accident would have
happened six months earlier, that the outcome
would have been very different. And I also I
was in pretty good shape. I wasn't a teenager,
but I have exercised all my life and I was fairly
muscular. So my body really took a big hit, but
with the right medical care, I was able to survive.
All right. Let's dive deeper in. You used the
word transition. I want to hear a little bit
about what that was like and where you ended
up. Well, my first experience in that place was
what I call learning the language of the universe.
And what I mean by that is that I was a zero
on the spirituality scale prior to this experience.
So I think what had to happen is I had to become
aware of spirituality and that we were more than
just flesh and blood. And so the very first thing
I was taught was about the spirit inside each
of us. And the way that I was taught about it
is I was presented with a work situation. And
I was dealing with this fellow I knew from work.
But something was very odd about him is that
he didn't age a bit. And I said hello to him.
We were doing some computer stuff. I'm a computer
guy at the time. I took care of him. That was
it. But then I saw him again and he looked like
he aged 20 years. And then it took me a while
to recognize him again. And I said, are you so
-and -so? And he said, yeah. And he smiled. And
that was odd. And then I saw him again. And he
was a kid. And then I realized, like, the game
was on. Is that I had to guess who this person
was, no matter what shape or form they took.
I had to guess. Sometimes he approached me as
a man, other times as a woman, sometimes as an
Asian person, sometimes an African person. He
kept on trying to trick me to not guess who he
was. And so at first it was like, I would see
a mannerism or he would use a word and I would
say, oh, you're so -and -so. And he would say,
oh, yeah, you got me. But what happened is that
after a while, I started to sense him a little
bit at a time, like an energy, some sort of energy.
And as time went on, we played this game so many
times, eventually I didn't even need to speak
with him. I could just sense him being around.
And I think what I was being taught at that time
is how to sense spirit, how to see the spirit
in people that were more than just flesh and
blood, that we are energy. Then what happened
is All of a sudden I looked at the world around
me, that place, with a new set of eyes. I could
sense spirit in everybody and everything from
the planets to animals. Everything had a spirit.
Everything had a unique spirit, but there was
a commonness and I felt like all of us together,
all of our energy. make up the spirit, the energy
of the creation. And that was the very first
lesson that I was taught. I called spirituality
101, but that was going to be critical for the
next experiences I was to have in that place.
First, I had to understand what spirit was, and
then I had to take that next step. What's the
next step? Well, what happened is I had a life
review. And it's very common. I knew nothing
about this at the time. But since then, I've
begun to notice as a life review. And what happened
is I reviewed my life over and over again. And
what happens is is that I viewed my whole life
up until that point, and then my awareness was
raised. And I would review my life again through
the eyes of an increased awareness. And each
time I learned more and more from my life experiences.
And that's why being able to sense spirit in
everybody and everything was essential in order
to have my life review. Because now every situation
took on a different meaning, because I could
also sense my energy, but the energy of all the
people around me. And so I could see what was
going on in their minds and the reasons why they
were present there. And it just completely changed
everything. And one thing is I learned is that
the most difficult experiences in my life, not
that I led a bad life, but everyone has trials
and traumas in their life. those were the things
that brought me the most bliss. The most difficult
things brought me the most bliss in my life review
because as I resolved them, all of a sudden I
felt better. Like some people see Jesus or religious
figures when they experience a near -death experience.
Me, the beauty was not having any anxiety, not
having any hatred or towards anybody else or
myself. I didn't have any shame or regret. I
didn't have any ill wishes towards anybody or
anything because each time through my life review
I resolved these things and it was like a burden
being lifted from me and that brought me true
bliss in that place. And if it wasn't for me
being able to understand energy and the spirit
inside everybody, I would never have had that
experience. And it wasn't like I had control
over what was going on, but I had free will to
think what I wanted to think. The real challenge
of it was is that there was no sense of time
there. And so at first I wasn't getting what
this life experience was about, what I was supposed
to do. And I went through my life experience
over and over and over again until I started
to get it. It was the same thing when I was learning
spirit is that I didn't understand the guy kept
on changing forms. I didn't understand what I
was supposed to be learning. But you have all
the time in the universe to work this through.
And when I say all the time is that up until
that time in my life, maybe I was a 45 year old
man. But in that other place, I lived a lot longer.
It really was because I had experienced so much
and that life review was critical. But when that
life review was done, I had another experience.
I couldn't control what was going to happen for
that next experience. But what it seemed to me
is that once I stopped learning in any experience,
I was put on to the next. Once I got the game
with guessing who this fellow was each time and
felt energy then I had my life experience after
my life experience and I stopped learning I wasn't
able to get anything more out of my life experience
then I had my next step. Okay before we jump
into the next step I have a couple of questions
and comments one is this this game with this
person from work I've interviewed hundreds of
people experiencers that's a new one on me and
I'm trying to process that What do you think?
I mean, you've mentioned some things you were
supposed to learn about spirit from that. Anything
else? Why do you think it was taught to you in
that way? Well, because I believe, in my own
interpretation, is my experience was what I was
going to learn from. And I believe everyone else's
experience in that place, in that place of transition,
kind of like purgatory, but not a place of punishment,
but a place of knowledge. And that I believe
everyone's experience is different, but they're
taught in a way that they would learn. Like somebody
from Tanzania or China with different experiences
would have experienced things differently. What
I had to learn first was how to see spirit and
sense spirit in everything in order to get the
most out of my life review. So that's the way
it was taught to me. And that's why I thought
it was approaching that way, because I knew this
guy in life, he was a character. You know, he
was from Haiti, and he kind of like spoke this
creole that was part French, part English, and
part something else. So he had to act things
out when he talked. And so that's what made it
very easy for me to guess who he was at first.
And I think that's why it was put together in
that way to me. Then my life review, if it wasn't
for that experience, I wouldn't have understood
how valuable... the difficult experiences in
life are. Your experiences are everything. If
I didn't have these difficult experiences in
life, I wouldn't have learned those essential
lessons in my life review that was going to prepare
me for the next steps, but also in life in general.
If I can't look back now and think, what a jerk
I was six months ago, it means I'm not growing.
And that's really the key is that that's what
that life review taught me in the here and now
is that you always have to evaluate your life
at every point in your life to see what you've
learned, to see where you are. If you're not
making progress, you have to do things differently.
I like it. You keep referring to the place. That's
not a name. Do you have a name for it? Is it
what people call heaven? Is it is it a tunnel
to heaven? What is this place you're talking
about? What I think it is, I think, I've heard
people since then talk about it like as a way
station. I think it's kind of like purgatory,
but without the punishment. It's when you've
now passed or you are passing, you're going through
the death process and you are being prepared
to go to heaven, to go to the next spiritual
place. It's not a light switch, all of a sudden
you're alive and then boom, you're in this other
place. At least that's what I've been able to
figure out. And so it's a place where you have
experiences, where you learn and make sense of
your life in order to pass into spirit and make
sense of what's going on. And I believe that's
a time when you notice after people pass, people
receive messages from them. And I think that's
all part of that process, coming to terms with
where you are. and what's going on in what is
your next step and separating yourself from your
physical existence, but in a positive way. And
so that's why I refer to it as the place. I really
don't have a name for it. It was never given
a name. I never found a name, but that's why
I call it the place between here and there. It's
not heaven or the afterlife. And it's not here.
It's someplace in the middle where it's a transition
period for you to learn and grow and and prepare
yourself. So by the way in your experience did
you make it all the way to heaven or were you
in this preparatory place the whole time and
then came back? I was in the preparatory place
the whole time because I lived and I think that
if it wasn't for technology I would have passed
and I think that's what your body does in physical
and in spiritual. When you're going through the
death process, it's preparing you for that place.
And I survived. In this place. Sorry, that place.
Tell us what else you were going to jump later
into a list of some of the things you learned.
So you don't need to go through all that. But
tell me some of the other things that you saw
or felt or experienced there. People are curious
about that. The very next experience I had was
I was put in charge of a group of young adults
who I refer to as kids. And I had to teach them
a task. And no matter what task I tried to teach
them, they would look at me and they'd be like,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But as soon as I would
leave, they would scatter and they wouldn't do
anything. And then I'd see them later and they
would look at me like nothing's wrong. And I'd
be like, come on, guys, what's going on? And
I start to feel like I just couldn't figure out
what was going on. No matter what I tried, you
know, red team, blue team, because they never
understood that like they did anything wrong.
And so when I was at my wit's end is I stood
before eventually what I understood to be my
higher self. And it wasn't that I talked to my
higher self. It was that just standing in the
energy and the grace is that all of a sudden
I looked at everything around me with a new set
of eyes and I understood things in a different
way. And what I understood was that I wasn't
there to teach these kids this task i was there
to help prepare them for their first human incarnation
and i was failing at that because all i saw was
dopey kids i didn't i went through all these
experiences very long life review and guessing
understanding spirit and everything and i didn't
use any of that i was very ignorant to that and
once i understood that And that taught me so
much. We'll go into it later, but at the very
least, it taught me that perhaps your spirit
grows through many different types of incarnations.
And once I got it, then the experience stopped.
And then I was presented with my final experience
in that place. Let's hear that one. Well, what
happened was, is that all of a sudden I was sitting
at this place, which In my hometown where i grew
up we call the bluff we overlook the long island
sounds and everyone gather at the end of every
day and we talk about all the town gossip like
who's doing who and you know and some people
would drink coffee other people drink from red
solo cups and just talk about the day and i would
sit there with these two friends of mine and
i look at the sunset everyday but after going
through this i don't know thousands of times
with them. I realize that both of them. my dear
friends had passed earlier that year. And up
until this point, for some reason, it didn't
occur to me that I was anywhere else. I don't
know. The thought didn't come to me or maybe
I just don't know. I don't know why I felt this.
But as I sit there with my two friends is that
I thought to myself, I want to ask them why they
are here. But I don't know. I just didn't want
to ask them. And it went time and time. We went
over that and each time it got more intense that
i want to ask them each sunset i want to ask
them what they were doing here and then finally
i got the feeling that if i didn't ask them this
time i would never get the opportunity again.
What they told me is that they were here to make
sure i was okay. And i really i didn't know this
i didn't have any memory of an accident or anything
i didn't know just go to my mind you know like.
I'm fine. And what are you doing here? You've
passed. And then as we watched the sun, the sun
got brighter and brighter, as opposed to getting
dimmer with the sunset. And I closed my eyes.
And then when I opened my eyes, I was in my hospital
room. And my mother was holding my hand telling
me I was in a terrible accident, but I would
be okay. And that was My experience in that place
is a very intense experience of learning and
understanding things. Like I had mentioned, I
was a zero on the spirituality scale. And when
I came out of this, I don't know, I was shell
shocked and I didn't believe it was a real experience
for the longest time. I just thought it was the
drugs, you know, they gave me and have an active
imagination. But as time went went on and I explained
that more in the book about coming to the realization.
that yes, it was an intense experience and I
learned so much of it that was going to prepare
me for what it was yet to come. That was my trip
to that place, but there was a long recovery.
I learned so many things about the recovery.
You get more of it in the book, but it's something
that completely changed my life in such a positive
way. It really was. I wouldn't be enough to face
what it was yet to come without having had that
experience. Let me ask you to speculate just
a little bit. Other people that have had near
-death experiences, some really feel like they
went to heaven. Maybe that's because of what
they saw, very heavenly things for people, very
heavenly people they met and ancestors and things
like that. Do you think, because your experience
was a little different than that, everybody having
a near -death experience is just going to this
preparatory place, that place, that you did?
Or do you think maybe some go beyond or... Go
ahead and guess. Well, it would be a guess. And
what I would say is that I think everyone has
to be prepared for going into Spirit. I do. But...
that's that's steven's opinion because without
that experience i wouldn't have known maybe if
you were in heaven or the other place where we're
going to spend eternity or whatever you believe
you know maybe they learn it there but that wasn't
like it for me is that i learned it in this free
place and i value that experience greatly if
it wasn't for that No, no, it was so essential
to me. And that could be why I experienced maybe
to somebody who lived a spiritual life, it wouldn't
have been necessary. It's kind of like a preparatory
school, you could think of it, you know, I had
to be prepared for what's coming. How did it
change you? Well, I already alluded to one thing
is that I now use a life review in my life all
the time, and that helps me to be a better person.
But what was very difficult afterwards is my
son passed away. And he passed away from a drug
overdose. And it was, you know, obviously it
was such a devastating thing. I was a full -time
dad. I really put all my effort into it. It came
so quickly. It wasn't like it was this long drawn
out thing. And I had to make sense of what had
gone on. And eventually I was able to make sense
of it. I had this dream that my son had come
to me and everything was all right. And then
when I woke up, all of a sudden, it wasn't like
the grief was totally gone, but all of a sudden,
Everything was okay then and I realized that
perhaps he was in that place and he was learning
and going through some of the same experiences
or similar experiences that I had and he was
feeling that bliss and everything would be okay.
And since I had been before my higher self, I
assume that that would be the same thing for
him. And perhaps when we met again, it would
be not as Stevie Weber, the IT guy, or Nick as
a son, it would be in our higher selves, everything
would make sense then. And that brought me a
lot of peace. And so that was one of those things
that just, if it wasn't for having that near
-death experience and gaining that wisdom, it
wasn't even the experience, it was the wisdom
that I gained that really helped me face that
and other things which were yet to come. It was
so critical. Well, I'm sorry about your loss.
I'm glad this helped you prepare. How old was
your son? He was 20 years old. He was a championship
wrestler on a D1 scholarship to an engineering
school. It just happened so fast. It really did.
But it also taught me a very valuable lesson.
And what I mean by that is years prior is I witnessed
this crazy accident where a little girl was killed
and a limo driver was killed. A gentleman was
driving the wrong way on the highway and I testified
in that trial and it was a very, very big event
because he was being charged with murder. He
was eventually convicted of it. And the parents
were heartbroken and they really had a lot of...
Obviously, they were heartbroken. They were very
angry at the defendant. And I saw that up close
and it made sense to me, obviously. But they
caught the gentleman who had sold my son the
drugs and I went to his trial and I was ready
with hatred in my heart and the anger. But I
couldn't have hatred. I couldn't have hatred.
All I saw was a drug addicted kid. And what this
had taught me, this whole journey, is that I'm
certain that had to have been in my life review.
And I learned all those lessons. When I was put
in the same situation, I could do nothing else
but forgive. And before I even met the fellow,
he didn't even have to be sorry. Forgiveness
was all that I could give. And that I hoped things
would be better for him. And so that's what this
thing taught me. It taught me the true meaning
of forgiveness and not as a virtual. I'm not
a virtuous person. I'm a pleasure maximizing
a Harley rider who dresses up in white clothing
and meditates now. But it really was the truth
is that it taught me the meaning of forgiveness
when there's nothing else you can do because
that's what makes sense. I don't know how to
explain it any more than that, but it's true.
Forgiveness is the key, not only for other people,
but for yourself. I'm going to explain it like
this. Your heart was changed. Does that sound
accurate? Very much. And I wasn't a bad person.
You know, for somebody to be hateful towards
somebody who helped contribute to your son's
death, you know, to be hateful of that, that's
a normal thing. Most people would feel that.
But no, it changed my heart. But it also opened
my eyes to what's real and what isn't real. And
that's the key, is that we're all here to experience
life, and to learn from it, and to grow from
it, and to exercise it in the here and now. Because
when I had my life experience, excuse me, my
life review, if I had no experiences to draw
upon, I wouldn't have learned anything. Like
some people can go on a mountain, go home all
day, and that'll be their fulfillment in life.
And that may be so for them. But really is to
live life is to make mistakes and be given the
freedom to make mistakes and to learn from them
And if you don't learn from them now You'll learn
from them in the other place and and that's beautiful
because that will bring you bliss if you can
do it here You'll find bliss in this world or
any other world that comes after I believe that
strongly and the wisdoms coming at us fast and
furious today everybody Hey, you wrote a couple
of books because of your experience. The first
one was called The Place Between Here and There,
and you have a new one out called The Lessons
Learned Between Here and There. You sent me a
list of these 12 lessons. We don't have time
to spend time on all of them, but I want to ask
you about a couple of them, okay? Very well.
May I just mention one other thing? Is that when
we reviewed my life experience and the trip to
the place between here and there. In the book,
I go into a lot more details because we only
have a certain amount of time, but I kind of
like breeze through some really critical points.
So if you're interested, it's something I recommend
because it'll really add additional life because
there's so many things I learned from that experience.
And so I just want to share that, but please
go ahead. Here's the first one, everything has
a spirit, and you kind of touched on this earlier,
but I think this is something that we need to
just think about a little bit more. When you
say everything, I assume you're talking people,
animals, trees, grass, the earth itself, planets
in the universe. Go ahead and expound a little
on that. Okay, first I'll make this statement
is, from my experience, I believe that the Creator
and the creation are one. Okay, that was the
next one I was going to get to. Okay. And I do
have questions about that. So we're going to
come back to that one. So absolutely. So if you
take a rock and you put it in outer space, and
you give it the proper circumstances, and you
wait four billion years and you come back to
that rock, there'll be life on that planet. And
I'm not talking about like pond scum. I'm talking
about intelligent life. They've had their Gandhi's
and their pole pots, and they're still waiting
20 years until fusion energy is going to come.
And science will say that that's evolution. And
what I'll say is that's the spirit everywhere.
And both things are true. There is spirit in
everything that's around us. How could that happen?
How did we happen? That's what I believe is that,
and from what I learned there is that evolution
is just the creation in slow motion in people's
time. We are all that energy and we're here to
learn and grow from that experience. And so no
matter where we are, given the right circumstances,
life will create. And that's what energy is.
That is what the Holy Spirit is, our souls. All
right, let's get to the one you mentioned. The
creator and the creation are one. A lot of people
are going to say, whoa, blasphemous statement
here, Stevie. So please explain. Well, first
off, what I say in the book is that this is a
free, free thought zone. And that's really important
is that you have to be able to make mistakes
and learn and grow from it. And so I really,
I exercise my free thought and so I don't. want
to tell anybody what they believe is wrong. I
bring up many, many instances throughout history,
throughout spiritual books and religious books
that we all read, the Creator and the Creation
are one. So the question is, are you saying that
everybody is God and created themself? No, no.
That's where people are going to freak out. I'm
trying to tiptoe around these things. Don't tiptoe
on this show. Just say it what you think. Great
okay i believe that god and we are one that all
of us together all of our energy together makes
up the creator is not any one person is the creator
someone jesus says he and god are one he's not
saying he's god at least in my opinion he's showing
that fact what i believe is that we all together
everything the planets all make up the creator.
If you talk about the big bang or let there be
light it both says the same thing from a single
source everything you see is created so if you
believe in the big bang which i do everything
came from a singularity and then everything you
see was from that. That's the creation and so
everything we see. Is from that singularity and
what i'm saying is that singularity is the creator
that is god and we. are all part of that and
perhaps as we learn and grow so does the creator
learn and grow and that's why we're here to learn
and grow and build our own wisdom as we learn
and grow and build wisdom the creator grows and
learns think of all the people here all the things
that happen i don't believe there's a hand there
that goes and disrupts things the stage is set
and we're here to learn and grow. And that's
why I believe that the Creator and the creation
are one. And I go into details about different
spiritual books from philosophers or everybody.
There are so many examples of how it alludes
to this. And it was when I began to sense the
energy in everybody and everything that I came
to understand this. All right, next up, The Spirit
Has Always Existed. well when we talk about the
creation what come before the creation you know
is that is that what was that the beginning of
time we don't know but just as time goes in ahead
of us as infinity and we're okay with that idea
that time will always exist time will go forward
it also goes backwards into infinity and so as
we take a look at our spirits in the universe
there was existence before that i believe and
so if your spirit If everything was created in
this go -round from the Big Bang or the creation,
your spirit has always been there. There was
never nothing. And that I believe that your spirit
grows through different experiences in life and
through many different incarnations. We'll get
into that later. But yes, it wasn't that your
spirit was born at any time like in 1920, you
weren't, you were nothing. No, no, you were all
part of the universe, but just in a different
form. Well you also said earlier there is no
time in that place. So let's try to erase time
from this equation. And our little human brains
have a really hard time doing that. And I had
a conversation with somebody recently, we have
very different religious backgrounds, and he
was explaining how no we did not exist at all
until we came here. That doesn't ring true with
me. The fact that we have existed before we came
here does in what form? Well, we don't know a
whole lot about that and that's okay. There is
also quantum physics that would make a good explanation
for that same kind of theory. I'm going to leave
it at that. We're not going to get everybody
to agree today. I would just like to add one
more thing to it is that I agree with the, you
know, parts of that with time and that Time didn't
move there. The only way that time moved there
was as you learned and grew because that you
could see the path way how you learn to come
to the current understanding and that gave you
that growth path gave you a sense of time. If
you weren't growing things move very slowly things
just didn't happen. It was that learning process
which gave you a sense of time. Just a couple
more is all we have time for. Number six you
can connect with those in spirit. I believe that.
But I don't know how to do it very well. How
do we do that? Well, there are many different
ways of connecting in spirit and sometimes it's
initiated by you or sometimes it's initiated
through spirit signs and synchronicities that
you experience. And I'll give you one example
is that one day myself and a friend of mine,
we were walking on the beach and she was a big
saints person. You know, she prayed to saints
and she was praying to Saint Germain, the violet
flame. It was during the health crisis. We were
all experienced. So she was praying that everyone
would make it through and be better. So if it
wasn't for her, things would be a lot worse.
But but what she wanted to do was find a piece
of violet beach glass as a sign that the saints.
Jermaine had heard her. No matter what she did,
she couldn't find it. And you were not going
to find violet beach glass on the shores of Long
Island. It's just not going to happen. And so
as we were walking back, you know, she had the
pouty face on. And then all of a sudden I was
thinking of what I should tell her to make her
feel better. All of a sudden this Dalmatian,
one of those white dogs with black spots, a little
puppy comes running from behind the sand dunes,
starts jumping all over us and I'm petting the
dog and we're wondering where the parent is and
the parent comes from behind the sand dunes and
she's running and she's saying, oh, we're sorry,
I'm sorry. And then we were okay because we love
dogs. And so my friend asked, what's a dog's
name? And she said the dog's name is Violet.
It just caused us to pause for a second. My friend
Cathy, she didn't get it at first. But I got
it right away. She was looking for violet beach
glass. She didn't see violet beach glass. She
got a violet, a dog named Violet, a dog that
looks nothing like a dog that should be named
Violet. So that was it. We said goodbye. And
I was talking to my friend. I said, that's not,
how does that happen? That is so strange. And
I said, we have to see that lady again. So we
go walking down the beach a few more times, about
a month later, and we see the lady again. And
we go running up to her and we said, why is that
dog named Violet? And she says, well, her and
her son, their favorite movie was Gone with the
Wind and Scarlett O 'Hara at one point wore a
violet dress and that was kind of like their
movie. So she named the dog Violet and spelled
it the way Scarlett spells her name. And then
she told me that her son had died. We became
very good friends and and we talked about our
sons. How does that happen? Does that happen
by accident or did her son and my son bring us
together? Because we still had to come into terms
with things and it was all because of a dog named
Violet. And that's the way, that's one of the
ways that spirit will speak to you is that it'll
set circumstances under which you'll learn things
and then you'll feel and sense the sign of spirit
helping you. And that would be one example. And
there are many other different ways, like you'll
see a sign. I know my mom told me after my father
died, all of a sudden all the lights in the house
were turning off by themselves. The computer
was turning off and she often mused that that's
what my father would do. He didn't want to waste
electricity, so he would turn everything off.
Just small signs like that that give you an idea
that perhaps there are people are trying to reach
to you from Spirit, especially people who have
recently passed, who are still in that place
between here and there, and are coming to terms
with things, and they don't want you to suffer.
That's what I believe. And so, yes, yes, I think
Spirit does speak with you. Spirit does want
to help you, especially your loved ones who have
passed. That's that story. Yeah, that's good
stuff. I just wish it was easier. I tell you,
I enjoy every day. I really do. I just wish I
could say, hey, Mom, who passed a couple of years
ago, Let's have a chat today, a real chat. Don't
just send me a Dalmatian. I want to sit down
and have a chat, but that's okay. We can live
without some of that. Well, it's a tough thing
because like I've gone to mediums and I haven't
told them that my son had passed and I've only
been to a few, but no one ever brings that up.
Like, I don't know, maybe it's difficult to connecting
with me in that way, or maybe I just saw the
wrong mediums, but The real point of it is that
everyone has their own way of receiving messages
and that once you show that you're open to it
and that you will hear the messages, it seems
like they come more often because they know you're
going to hear it. And so if you start opening
up your eyes, you don't go woo woo woo like,
oh, there's a hummingbird from Grandma. If you
just try to look for why you're receiving this
message at this time, I think it's going to open
up the gates. That's just my opinion but there
are many different ways and it's all a wonderful
thing. All right, very last thing. Love is the
ultimate intelligence in life and I want you
to explain that and I want to leave on this topic
because this is what the show is all about but
I may rephrase it in a minute so go ahead and
explain. What i've come to learn is that love
can be enabling you can because you love somebody
or something you can enable them to do terrible
things are things that just unconstructive towards
themselves love is like being a steward to understanding
things to know all that's involved in these situations
and be able to care for somebody and express
it in a way that will be helpful and so when
you talk about even the. the growth of a spirit
over time. What makes a dog, a mother dog, care
for its puppies more than itself? Will fight,
kill, or die for them? Why? Well, that's love.
It's smart because it's taking care of its children.
And so when you take a look at love, it has to
be smart. It has to do the right things. And
so the more you understand the world and everything's
around and spirit and physical, you can express
your love in a positive way to those people around
you and even to those people you don't know.
Because even when I was confronted with that
young fellow who sold my son the drugs is that
I felt nothing but love for him because I wanted
things to be better for him. I knew that he couldn't
go on doing the things he's doing, and that was
the smart part of the love. And I knew he had
to perhaps receive the consequences of his actions.
Perhaps that's the smart part of the love. But
to hope and to perhaps help at some time, to
help them take that next step to make a better
life for them, that's what I mean. Love isn't
reactive. It's not the warm and fuzzy is our
important doorway to love. But love is the most
important part of why we existed. I see the wisdom
in it. I'm going to just add something to this,
if you don't mind. From love is the ultimate
intelligence in life, I want to say love is the
ultimate power of the universe. I think it's
what everything revolves around. It's the gravity
that holds it all together. Love is what makes
God, God. Love is why we do the majority of things
in this life. Those that we would say are off
track or are led by Satan or devil or whatever
you want to call it are acting more out of hatred
than out of love. Let's get back to love. Gee,
I can hear a Beatles song about to play right
now in the back of my head. And I'm sorry to
be so sound so trite. No, I mentioned that that
was that was an important time in our human existence.
For the first time, we were able to to communicate
around the globe. And what was the first thing
that came was John Glennon singing, you know,
you know, all you need is love. All you need
is love. And my friend Cathy, who I wrote the
book with, she tells a story about her mother
coming to her and Cathy wanted to know what she
had to do in order to be with her in the future,
like what religion should she do or how she should
behave. And her mother said to her in this dream
that it's all about love, it's all about learning.
why love is the way, why it's over hatred, over
revenge, over grief, over everything. If you
replace all those emotions with love, you'll
understand the true meaning of life and you'll
find peace in this world and any other world
that comes afterwards. And I believe that so.
Amen to all that. Stephen Weber, thank you for
being with me today. If people want to find you,
it's betweenhereandthere .org. Thanks a lot,
Stephen. Thank you very much. I wish everyone
peace and I hope you find your way and find peace
in this world and any other world that comes
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