WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.049 greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back 00:00:33.049 --> 00:00:36.950 home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. 00:00:39.469 --> 00:00:41.450 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. 00:00:41.969 --> 00:00:44.509 We're going to have a great time today. We're 00:00:44.509 --> 00:00:47.049 going all the way over to Derbyshire, England. 00:00:47.509 --> 00:00:50.070 Please tell me I said Derbyshire, right? Yes, 00:00:50.070 --> 00:00:54.070 you did. To meet with Jane Osborne and Jane, 00:00:54.570 --> 00:00:57.030 thank you for your patience. Thank you for being 00:00:57.030 --> 00:00:59.890 with us, even though it's a super hot day where 00:00:59.890 --> 00:01:02.979 you are. It's extremely hot. Thank you very much 00:01:02.979 --> 00:01:06.079 for inviting me on I'm looking forward to it 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.379 before we hit the record button we were just 00:01:08.379 --> 00:01:11.799 talking about how hot it is there and Translated 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:14.540 that into Fahrenheit. It's about a hundred degrees 00:01:14.540 --> 00:01:18.219 without air conditioning. What did you say 38? 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:22.579 Centigrade 38, but it did go up to 40 yesterday. 00:01:22.579 --> 00:01:26.180 It was just unbearable It's the humidity with 00:01:26.180 --> 00:01:28.599 it as well. You know, it's everything sticks 00:01:29.299 --> 00:01:32.560 Well, I hope you've got lots of water going on 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:36.340 and you're keeping safe because that can be life 00:01:36.340 --> 00:01:40.560 -threatening Okay before we jump into your experience, 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.500 which I think people are gonna enjoy I Don't 00:01:44.500 --> 00:01:47.299 think we've had anyone on the show before that's 00:01:47.299 --> 00:01:50.840 had an NDE from base jumping So there's a little 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:54.400 tease of what's coming in this episode But tell 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:57.120 us just a little bit about who's Jane so we can 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:01.849 get to know you Jane, at that time, I was an 00:02:01.849 --> 00:02:04.469 outdoor pursuit instructor. I used to work for 00:02:04.469 --> 00:02:08.830 Derbyshire Education. So I was used to rock climbing, 00:02:09.150 --> 00:02:13.210 caving, abseiling, skiing, anything with a lot 00:02:13.210 --> 00:02:17.030 of adrenaline, whatever. I'd been parachuting 00:02:17.030 --> 00:02:21.669 since I was 17. I trained with the RAF Lincoln 00:02:21.669 --> 00:02:24.930 Parachute Regiment. This particular day, this 00:02:24.930 --> 00:02:27.909 August bank holiday, I was on my own I've got 00:02:27.909 --> 00:02:29.650 three children but they were with the father 00:02:29.650 --> 00:02:31.689 so I was on my own and I thought it's a lovely 00:02:31.689 --> 00:02:34.530 day I'm going to take my camera drive up to the 00:02:34.530 --> 00:02:37.330 Peak District which is a national park about 00:02:37.330 --> 00:02:40.009 half an hour away from me put my camera in the 00:02:40.009 --> 00:02:43.250 car I thought I'm I'm going off to Kat's tour 00:02:43.250 --> 00:02:46.189 where I was going to be base jumping and just 00:02:46.189 --> 00:02:49.689 taking beautiful aerial shots and things which 00:02:49.689 --> 00:02:54.960 is where I started so I managed to run off the 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:58.580 Edge of Cats tour and I was up in the thermals 00:02:58.580 --> 00:03:02.900 looking at my watch on the meter it was one of 00:03:02.900 --> 00:03:05.539 around one and a half thousand foot when I had 00:03:05.539 --> 00:03:10.219 a massive pull back at that height I didn't know 00:03:10.219 --> 00:03:14.020 what the heck had hit me I thought I'd run into 00:03:14.020 --> 00:03:16.599 something or something and I was pulled back 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.889 with such force and I was only a skinny dippy, 00:03:19.909 --> 00:03:22.889 like some stone -wet -through girl at the time 00:03:22.889 --> 00:03:26.849 and so it's immediately it like cracked my ribs 00:03:26.849 --> 00:03:30.189 so I was having difficulty breathing and as I 00:03:30.189 --> 00:03:32.330 turned to look and see what was happening as 00:03:32.330 --> 00:03:35.050 I was trying to look around me I noticed that 00:03:35.050 --> 00:03:38.430 my emergency parachute had deployed as I was 00:03:38.430 --> 00:03:40.849 looking at that parachute which was over here 00:03:40.849 --> 00:03:45.409 and obviously I was on this parachute here. All 00:03:45.409 --> 00:03:47.770 of a sudden, you see it in movies, don't you, 00:03:47.849 --> 00:03:50.569 when you see pictures that go vroom, vroom, vroom, 00:03:50.590 --> 00:03:53.669 and it all comes together at once. Truly, that's 00:03:53.669 --> 00:03:57.469 how it happens. I had this download of information, 00:03:57.770 --> 00:04:01.370 and my brain was in overdrive, and I just knew 00:04:01.370 --> 00:04:05.490 that parachute there was coming for me. I didn't 00:04:05.490 --> 00:04:08.930 know whether to use the B lines on the main parachute. 00:04:09.099 --> 00:04:12.520 or the emergency chute was all so confusing and 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:16.139 obviously I was in a V with my little legs hanging 00:04:16.139 --> 00:04:19.100 down because I was on two parachutes so I didn't 00:04:19.100 --> 00:04:23.639 have much support and as I got that message that 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:26.220 that parachute is coming for you I looked at 00:04:26.220 --> 00:04:29.639 my watch and I was already I'd already dropped 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:33.579 500 foot I was down I was a thousand foot because 00:04:33.579 --> 00:04:36.879 I saw the emergency chute dropping like this 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:39.350 coming down and I thought oh it's getting close 00:04:39.350 --> 00:04:41.689 it's getting close and then it sort of dipped 00:04:41.689 --> 00:04:44.189 in the thermal and I thought oh I think I'm going 00:04:44.189 --> 00:04:46.509 to be all right you know I can cope with the 00:04:46.509 --> 00:04:49.769 drag emergency shoot but then it kind of went 00:04:49.769 --> 00:04:51.949 straight up and it went straight into the main 00:04:51.949 --> 00:04:54.129 parachute and at that I looked at my watch and 00:04:54.129 --> 00:04:57.589 it was a thousand foot and of course it just 00:04:57.589 --> 00:05:00.209 just deploded the main parachute and I dropped 00:05:00.209 --> 00:05:03.870 down like a bullet really fast I had a lot of 00:05:03.870 --> 00:05:08.439 PTSD with wind even now with a car I can't have 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:10.779 the air conditioning on because of the wind on 00:05:10.779 --> 00:05:13.079 my face because when you're dropping at that 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:16.379 speed your cheeks are going You know what I mean? 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:20.839 So I did I smashed on Kat's tour, but I was still 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:25.160 attached to two parachutes and I'm still quite 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:28.319 high up So those those parachutes then filled 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.779 up again and thank goodness I was kitted up and 00:05:31.779 --> 00:05:34.680 I've got my helmet on and everything like a rag 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:38.410 doll as they going off with the wind I was getting 00:05:38.410 --> 00:05:41.610 dragged behind like a doll bouncing across the 00:05:41.610 --> 00:05:44.250 rocks and at Kat's tour there's about this much 00:05:44.250 --> 00:05:48.129 moss and the rest is rock. I was pretty beaten 00:05:48.129 --> 00:05:51.670 up and damaged. I eventually got to hospital 00:05:51.670 --> 00:05:56.550 where they spent several days x -ray scans and 00:05:56.550 --> 00:06:00.610 MRIs and all sorts because I'd fallen at such 00:06:00.610 --> 00:06:04.149 a height they didn't quite know what was broken. 00:06:04.430 --> 00:06:08.589 But the prognosis was that, and I was conscious 00:06:08.589 --> 00:06:10.670 throughout all of this by the way, it was very, 00:06:10.670 --> 00:06:13.810 very painful. The prognosis from the consultant 00:06:13.810 --> 00:06:16.829 was that we've checked you over for the past 00:06:16.829 --> 00:06:20.709 few days. The bottom line is you've broken most 00:06:20.709 --> 00:06:22.910 bones in your body, you've crushed your spine, 00:06:23.269 --> 00:06:26.350 you've broken your neck in two places. We're 00:06:26.350 --> 00:06:28.850 going to do our best for you, but you need to 00:06:28.850 --> 00:06:31.290 understand that it's likely that you'll never 00:06:31.290 --> 00:06:33.089 walk again. You're going to be paralysed for 00:06:33.089 --> 00:06:35.779 life. And he just walked out and left me with 00:06:35.779 --> 00:06:38.259 that. Can you imagine that? I'm flat packed, 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:41.279 my head in a box, having to cope with that, it 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:44.660 was enormous. I can't even imagine at all. And 00:06:44.660 --> 00:06:47.399 before we move more forward, because I want to 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:49.899 get tons of detail here, I want to ask you a 00:06:49.899 --> 00:06:52.180 couple of technical things about the base jumping. 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:56.399 So when your emergency chute deployed, which 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:58.819 obviously that's not supposed to happen first. 00:06:59.339 --> 00:07:02.420 Major error. Is it because you pulled the main 00:07:02.420 --> 00:07:05.500 chute? Or were you not supposed to have a shoot 00:07:05.500 --> 00:07:08.639 yet? Were you still free -falling? Get fill in 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:10.980 a little bit of that blank. I don't totally get 00:07:10.980 --> 00:07:14.160 it. What I was doing, I was base jumping. I was 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.579 up in the thermals. I've got my camera. There 00:07:16.579 --> 00:07:19.620 were lots of birds below me with the wings open. 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.500 And no parachute yet, right? I was on a parachute 00:07:23.500 --> 00:07:27.379 then. Oh, okay. Okay. I was gliding on the thermals. 00:07:27.660 --> 00:07:30.240 You just get into a pocket of wind, basically. 00:07:30.509 --> 00:07:33.430 If it's, I don't know, if it's up there at 10, 00:07:33.430 --> 00:07:37.209 15 miles an hour, you're probably gliding along 00:07:37.209 --> 00:07:40.889 at like 30 to 40 miles an hour. So you can get 00:07:40.889 --> 00:07:44.490 a lot of shots. And as I was doing that and obviously 00:07:44.490 --> 00:07:47.529 focusing, taking lots of pictures on my camera 00:07:47.529 --> 00:07:51.589 and then jerked back, it completely took the 00:07:51.589 --> 00:07:53.769 wind out. Well, literally took the wind out of 00:07:53.769 --> 00:07:56.939 my sails. What a pun. Okay, that was the part 00:07:56.939 --> 00:08:00.000 I just wasn't quite clear on so you had your 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:03.560 regular shootout already then the emergency shoot 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.620 malfunctioned and came out and That and you're 00:08:06.620 --> 00:08:08.660 not supposed to have both at the same time that 00:08:08.660 --> 00:08:11.639 messes everything definitely not yeah, it's not 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:15.100 good news So then crazy things are happening 00:08:15.100 --> 00:08:20.629 you fall over a thousand feet and you hit rocks 00:08:20.629 --> 00:08:22.949 and you're being drug over rocks, is that what 00:08:22.949 --> 00:08:25.569 you were saying? That have just a thin layer 00:08:25.569 --> 00:08:28.850 on them? Because I was trying to gauge, because 00:08:28.850 --> 00:08:32.070 I was coming down so fast, I was trying to gauge 00:08:32.070 --> 00:08:36.129 the ground, ready to do a PLF landing. Basically, 00:08:36.570 --> 00:08:38.750 you scrunch yourself up in a roll so that when 00:08:38.750 --> 00:08:40.789 you hit the ground, you roll so you don't break 00:08:40.789 --> 00:08:43.950 bones. But I was going so fast and I was like, 00:08:44.090 --> 00:08:48.659 is it 300, 200, 100? Bang! and I actually hit 00:08:48.659 --> 00:08:52.720 the base of my spine on Kat's tour I screamed 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:55.960 with all my might because I could feel the pain 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:59.940 coming up my spine but also I had this horrendous 00:08:59.940 --> 00:09:03.179 noise coming out of my ears and it was where 00:09:03.179 --> 00:09:05.820 every vertebra because obviously it smashed at 00:09:05.820 --> 00:09:09.440 the base and every vertebra was hitting the next 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.440 vertebra up and I could feel this force coming 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.950 up my spine, up my neck you know like If you 00:09:16.950 --> 00:09:20.669 hold a shell to your ears, that big sea wave, 00:09:20.830 --> 00:09:24.029 it was like a thunder coming out of my ears. 00:09:24.590 --> 00:09:27.809 That was obviously the sound of all my bones 00:09:27.809 --> 00:09:30.570 ricocheting up together and it just came out 00:09:30.570 --> 00:09:33.049 of my ears and I was just screaming in agony. 00:09:33.370 --> 00:09:36.950 Yeah, it was horrendous. Just talk about cringe. 00:09:37.029 --> 00:09:40.029 I just can't even imagine. Okay, if you would 00:09:40.029 --> 00:09:42.269 fill in now, you told us a little bit about the 00:09:42.269 --> 00:09:45.870 injuries and being in the hospital. Give us a 00:09:45.870 --> 00:09:49.490 little more detail on what all was broken and 00:09:49.490 --> 00:09:52.929 then when you had an experience leaving your 00:09:52.929 --> 00:09:54.750 body in the middle of that because it didn't 00:09:54.750 --> 00:09:57.269 happen Right when you hit the ground it happened 00:09:57.269 --> 00:10:01.110 a little later, right? No, I decided that's amazing 00:10:01.110 --> 00:10:03.830 that you can have that much will absolutely amazing 00:10:03.830 --> 00:10:06.190 I would never have dreamt of doing it, but I 00:10:06.190 --> 00:10:09.779 was ready to bail out Well, I broke my arm in 00:10:09.779 --> 00:10:12.419 a couple of places. I broke my foot in four places. 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:14.539 Obviously, I crushed all my spine and my neck 00:10:14.539 --> 00:10:18.700 and lots of other many injuries. So I was flat 00:10:18.700 --> 00:10:22.240 packed, if you like, on the hospital bed. My 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.799 head was in a box. I was drips all over me. I 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.039 was going in and out of sleep, obviously, because 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:32.320 they were trying to keep me steady. So they were 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:35.149 giving me lots and lots of medication. But I 00:10:35.149 --> 00:10:37.289 was waking up thinking, phew, I don't know what 00:10:37.289 --> 00:10:39.909 it is that they put me on here. I know there 00:10:39.909 --> 00:10:42.090 was morphine in it, but I don't know what they 00:10:42.090 --> 00:10:44.169 put me on here, but it's taking me up with the 00:10:44.169 --> 00:10:46.409 fairies. Because, you know, when you wake up 00:10:46.409 --> 00:10:49.649 and you think, am I in a dream or whatever? But 00:10:49.649 --> 00:10:52.090 when the consultant left me in that room after 00:10:52.090 --> 00:10:54.929 saying, he was very quick at it, this is what's 00:10:54.929 --> 00:10:57.090 going to happen to you. You've got this, this, 00:10:57.129 --> 00:10:58.990 this, and you're probably never going to walk 00:10:58.990 --> 00:11:01.789 again. And he just walked off out. All I had 00:11:01.789 --> 00:11:04.850 was my eyes and my ears and my voice, although 00:11:04.850 --> 00:11:07.070 my head was in a box and I couldn't move my chin. 00:11:07.549 --> 00:11:09.570 And all I could do was look at the ceiling. I 00:11:09.570 --> 00:11:13.110 was super fit. I was super active. I never sat 00:11:13.110 --> 00:11:15.309 still. I thought this can't be happening to me. 00:11:15.429 --> 00:11:18.309 I'll never walk again. I am not going to stay 00:11:18.309 --> 00:11:22.789 in this vehicle, in this meat suit and just look 00:11:22.789 --> 00:11:27.129 out. I felt like I was trapped in a body coffin. 00:11:27.370 --> 00:11:30.009 I just said to myself, I don't think I signed 00:11:30.009 --> 00:11:33.429 up for this. This can't be happening to me. And 00:11:33.429 --> 00:11:38.850 I just said with all my might, God help me. I 00:11:38.850 --> 00:11:41.230 didn't sign up for this. God help me. Get me 00:11:41.230 --> 00:11:46.309 out of here. And bang, I was viewing myself from 00:11:46.309 --> 00:11:48.940 the corner of the hospital room. and as I was 00:11:48.940 --> 00:11:51.440 looking down at myself I knew that I was connected 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:53.820 to the person but I looked completely different 00:11:53.820 --> 00:11:56.379 to what I normally look because obviously I was 00:11:56.379 --> 00:11:58.559 black and blue I looked like something off a 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:02.299 butcher's block as I was looking down I heard 00:12:02.299 --> 00:12:06.220 a voice and it seemed to come from inside my 00:12:06.220 --> 00:12:08.799 head like a speaker inside my head and it said 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:11.700 what are you doing here you need to go back and 00:12:11.700 --> 00:12:13.720 I was really really confused with that because 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.789 I wasn't into the things that I'm into now at 00:12:16.789 --> 00:12:19.210 that time. They said, you need to go back and 00:12:19.210 --> 00:12:21.929 start healing people through various things, 00:12:22.149 --> 00:12:24.649 which we'll talk about later. And I thought, 00:12:25.090 --> 00:12:28.009 I must be going mad because I've just been told 00:12:28.009 --> 00:12:31.129 I'm going to be paralysed for life. I literally, 00:12:31.129 --> 00:12:34.929 I can move my eyelashes and my lips and that 00:12:34.929 --> 00:12:38.110 was it. Everything else was sort of out of action. 00:12:38.330 --> 00:12:40.970 I just couldn't get my head around it, you know, 00:12:40.970 --> 00:12:45.700 and in my mind, all I said to myself was, If 00:12:45.700 --> 00:12:48.620 you think that I'm going back there then you've 00:12:48.620 --> 00:12:50.500 got another thing coming because I looked at 00:12:50.500 --> 00:12:52.980 myself and I was a complete mess. I was purple. 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.679 Purple and swollen blob in this bed. And all 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:00.860 I heard was you will and woof. Just this force. 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.799 It was like flicking a switch. I was back in 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:07.620 the body and back in all the pain. It was horrendous. 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:10.080 But as I was trying to manage the pain I got 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:12.879 a message that said we're showing you how to 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:16.080 work in your dreams. Then, all of a sudden, since 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:19.480 I had that out -of -body experience, I was in 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:23.000 a room on my own, but the door was open. I could 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:25.059 hear the nurses in the corridor, you know, by 00:13:25.059 --> 00:13:27.919 the reception and everything. I only said in 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.840 my mind, wouldn't it be lovely to get out and 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:34.279 walk and chat? And there I was. I was sat on 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:37.340 the desk. It was just like a cartoon. I was like, 00:13:37.460 --> 00:13:39.879 hey, what's going on here? So I listened to all 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.960 the conversations. So when they came in, I was 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.960 able to talk to them and they said, what? I said, 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.960 did your daughter like a birthday present? Or 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:51.659 where did you hear that? I was on the desk. They're 00:13:51.659 --> 00:13:54.139 saying, what? We've heard about these things. 00:13:54.620 --> 00:13:57.659 If I thought that I wonder what happens to my 00:13:57.659 --> 00:13:59.879 dog because I left my dog out, I'd got quite 00:13:59.879 --> 00:14:03.039 a bit of land and he got a lot of room to roam 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.220 around in. And boom, I was hovering right over. 00:14:06.659 --> 00:14:10.440 I'd got an aerial view of my property. with the 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:13.519 dog in the allotment, or if I wanted to see my 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.279 children, I could just move with Thor. It was 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:20.480 amazing. So although a lot of my functions shut 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.080 down, this superpower, all of a sudden, transporting 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:27.580 myself here and there, it was just on top form. 00:14:27.779 --> 00:14:31.120 That began to settle down the more I began to 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:34.120 get movement, but I really struggled. It took 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:37.120 me nearly five years to learn to walk. I would 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:40.659 be taken to a hydro pool, flat -packed, and I 00:14:40.659 --> 00:14:44.259 would be winced into the water. And literally 00:14:44.259 --> 00:14:47.679 I would do that. That was the entire energy in 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.840 my body. And then they'd bring me out and they'd 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:54.659 hairdry me, because by that time I'd lost all 00:14:54.659 --> 00:14:56.720 feelings in my legs and everything. I had no 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.220 feelings at all from the waist down. But the 00:14:59.220 --> 00:15:02.600 nerves were beginning to knit. And so I couldn't 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:04.840 actually have anything on me, so they had to 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:09.279 hairdry me down. pull me out with the winch then 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:12.039 just hair dry me down because I mean I couldn't 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:16.259 have even had this on it was so painful so I 00:15:16.259 --> 00:15:18.940 had a lot of things to work through but when 00:15:18.940 --> 00:15:22.639 I was just waking up you know that just before 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.879 just after you sleep and before you're compus 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:28.899 mentis you get some thoughts sometimes and I 00:15:28.899 --> 00:15:31.720 would get messages like one of them was do what 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:34.379 you can with what you've got today and I'd had 00:15:34.379 --> 00:15:36.980 to have a couple of operations on my feet, they 00:15:36.980 --> 00:15:39.659 had to screw all my bones together. That was 00:15:39.659 --> 00:15:43.000 really painful and one morning I woke up with 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.740 the image of a tuning fork because I'd asked, 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:47.720 hopefully I'll be able to find something for 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:50.379 this pain and I thought well that was a bit crazy 00:15:50.379 --> 00:15:53.379 so anyway I bought a tuning fork and it worked 00:15:53.379 --> 00:15:56.360 because it dispersed the frequency, dispersed 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.220 the pain in my foot and that's how I got into 00:15:59.220 --> 00:16:01.519 sort of alternative therapies if you like and 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:04.990 I remember even though I couldn't feel my feet 00:16:04.990 --> 00:16:08.610 at all. No feeling from the waist down at one 00:16:08.610 --> 00:16:12.490 stage. My legs were sort of this thin but in 00:16:12.490 --> 00:16:16.269 my mind I knew I was going to be on my feet. 00:16:16.309 --> 00:16:19.110 I was determined I was going to walk. So I got 00:16:19.110 --> 00:16:22.389 some of those exercise pads and I would put them 00:16:22.389 --> 00:16:25.590 on my legs and I'd watch all my muscles twitch. 00:16:26.009 --> 00:16:28.759 I couldn't feel a thing. My mum came in one day 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:31.840 in despair. She came to look after me for a while. 00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:33.779 And she said, Jane, Jane, what on earth are you 00:16:33.779 --> 00:16:36.379 doing? I said, my legs aren't fit enough to carry 00:16:36.379 --> 00:16:39.899 me. I'm preparing my legs ready to walk. And 00:16:39.899 --> 00:16:42.700 she'd be like, oh my God. You know, we're going 00:16:42.700 --> 00:16:44.919 to have a struggle with her. She doesn't understand. 00:16:45.100 --> 00:16:47.320 And I said, no, mum, I'm going to walk. She's 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:51.840 in denial. Yeah. And so she would go out in despair 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:53.659 thinking, you know, what am I going to do with 00:16:53.659 --> 00:16:57.669 her? So I was preparing my legs to get them strong 00:16:57.669 --> 00:17:00.970 before I could walk and eventually when I was 00:17:00.970 --> 00:17:03.629 in a wheelchair and then crutches and all of 00:17:03.629 --> 00:17:06.730 that, I actually went to see a reflexologist. 00:17:06.970 --> 00:17:09.390 I didn't have much feeling in my legs, but I 00:17:09.390 --> 00:17:12.710 knew I'd got the message that I need to move 00:17:12.710 --> 00:17:15.369 my body, I need to move the energy. It's like 00:17:15.369 --> 00:17:17.789 move the source, I think it was that they said. 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:20.619 So I thought, well, I'll try this reflexology 00:17:20.619 --> 00:17:22.740 malarkey. You know, I didn't really know what 00:17:22.740 --> 00:17:26.660 it was. I had a treatment with reflexology. And 00:17:26.660 --> 00:17:29.140 when I got home, I got a telephone call from 00:17:29.140 --> 00:17:31.319 the lady. Because, I mean, bearing in mind, I 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:34.599 was in a cast from my hips to under my arms. 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:38.519 My neck was in a box. I walked in sort of like 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:41.180 a Michelin man. She was just ringing me up to 00:17:41.180 --> 00:17:45.069 make sure that I'd got home OK. And I was distraught. 00:17:45.410 --> 00:17:47.630 I said to her, I said, yeah, I'm OK. I said, 00:17:47.630 --> 00:17:50.309 I've got home, but I'm not OK. I'm not OK. I 00:17:50.309 --> 00:17:53.849 said, I got in the car to come home. I would 00:17:53.849 --> 00:17:56.609 be driving at 10 miles an hour because every 00:17:56.609 --> 00:18:00.609 bump, every little bump you could feel. As I 00:18:00.609 --> 00:18:03.029 was driving home, I started to cry and I haven't 00:18:03.029 --> 00:18:04.730 stopped crying. I don't know what you've done 00:18:04.730 --> 00:18:08.630 to me. And she said, Jane, she says, it's the 00:18:08.630 --> 00:18:11.849 trauma coming out of your body. I didn't understand. 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.259 how those therapies worked and I thought oh well 00:18:15.259 --> 00:18:18.440 now I understand that obviously it's healing. 00:18:18.900 --> 00:18:23.180 One day I was hobbling in my crutches going into 00:18:23.180 --> 00:18:26.400 my kitchen and my mum was by the sink preparing 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:29.160 something whatever she was doing. I just went 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:33.039 into a blind panic through my crutches dropped 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:35.900 to the floor and I was screaming and I was in 00:18:35.900 --> 00:18:39.660 I was so irrational my mum was going crazy you 00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:42.430 know she rang the doctor and came out with this 00:18:42.430 --> 00:18:45.089 injection I felt like I was a horse with a vet 00:18:45.089 --> 00:18:48.269 down I went. 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And so I went to see a hypnotherapist 00:20:38.349 --> 00:20:42.150 and I was regressed back and we put it in black 00:20:42.150 --> 00:20:44.430 and white, we put it in slow motion and everything 00:20:44.430 --> 00:20:47.029 else because I wanted to know the core issue 00:20:47.029 --> 00:20:52.849 of what happened to me because I was scared because 00:20:52.849 --> 00:20:55.130 I didn't know what I was scared of, if you know 00:20:55.130 --> 00:20:58.650 what I mean. The core of it was Mum was in my 00:20:58.650 --> 00:21:02.130 kitchen and she got the patio doors open and 00:21:02.130 --> 00:21:05.369 the breeze was coming in and it just touched 00:21:05.369 --> 00:21:09.390 my face like that. Well, when you're dropping 00:21:09.390 --> 00:21:11.190 one and a half thousand foot, you know, it's 00:21:11.190 --> 00:21:15.130 like... It took me straight back, straight back 00:21:15.130 --> 00:21:18.130 to that trauma and I just collapsed in bits on 00:21:18.130 --> 00:21:21.630 the floor. So I found that through hypnotherapy 00:21:21.630 --> 00:21:23.890 and I used a lot of other different therapies 00:21:23.890 --> 00:21:28.069 as well to get over things. But I got a lot of 00:21:28.069 --> 00:21:33.130 healing messages and I became super aware. My 00:21:33.130 --> 00:21:36.369 hearing was, I don't know, I felt like I was 00:21:36.369 --> 00:21:39.190 a dog. I could hear for miles because all my 00:21:39.190 --> 00:21:42.670 other functions had shut down. My hearing and 00:21:42.670 --> 00:21:45.869 my smell, I could actually smell somebody on 00:21:45.869 --> 00:21:49.369 my drive that was coming into the house. But 00:21:49.369 --> 00:21:52.990 as my physical self got a little bit better each 00:21:52.990 --> 00:21:57.410 month, those senses slowed down a little, but 00:21:57.410 --> 00:22:01.789 it was a horrendous roller coaster. I mean, that's 00:22:01.789 --> 00:22:04.630 when my journey began. I began on that healing 00:22:04.630 --> 00:22:07.950 journey. Okay, let's do this. I want to hear 00:22:07.950 --> 00:22:10.309 just a little bit more about this part, and I've 00:22:10.309 --> 00:22:13.009 got a couple of questions for you. And then for 00:22:13.009 --> 00:22:15.009 those that are interested, we're going to move 00:22:15.009 --> 00:22:17.069 on and talk a little bit about some of these 00:22:17.069 --> 00:22:20.089 alternative healing things that you've picked 00:22:20.089 --> 00:22:23.819 up in practice now. Yeah. But to go back with, 00:22:24.140 --> 00:22:27.400 when you first left your body, it was because 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:30.200 of something that you said. Do you remember what 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.059 you told me? I just said, I said to the universe, 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:35.819 no, I didn't sign up for this. Yeah. You know, 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:38.980 I bailed out. God helped me get me out of here. 00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:42.019 Yeah. God helped me get me out of here. And it 00:22:42.019 --> 00:22:45.460 was like I just changed channels and I was looking 00:22:45.460 --> 00:22:48.720 at myself from a different view. Yeah. And at 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:50.839 some point you were told that you needed to go 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:54.450 back. Yeah. And I knew that that was an authoritative. 00:22:54.589 --> 00:22:58.230 It wasn't, it wasn't harsh, but it was firm. 00:22:58.369 --> 00:23:01.589 It was comforting, but firm and authoritative. 00:23:01.670 --> 00:23:04.190 And when they said you had to go back and obviously 00:23:04.190 --> 00:23:07.950 I'm protesting, I knew that it was pointless. 00:23:08.190 --> 00:23:10.609 I knew that I'd be going back. Was this a voice 00:23:10.609 --> 00:23:14.690 or a feeling? No, it was a, it was a voice, you 00:23:14.690 --> 00:23:18.190 know, like it was like an echo in my head as 00:23:18.190 --> 00:23:21.450 if I heard it from the inside, as if it was coming. 00:23:21.740 --> 00:23:25.480 From inside of me you need to go back and I thought 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:29.619 no chance and then you will bang I was straight 00:23:29.619 --> 00:23:32.259 in back in the body thought well, that's what 00:23:32.259 --> 00:23:35.180 hell of a parent Yeah, while you were out of 00:23:35.180 --> 00:23:38.160 body was there anything else that you felt or 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:42.640 saw or heard? Yeah, when I first had the impact 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:45.700 on Kat's tour, it was almost like, you know, 00:23:45.700 --> 00:23:48.920 you're a thorough body around you. It was almost 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:53.240 like I smashed to the ground and I just exploded. 00:23:53.940 --> 00:23:56.759 So when the nurses would try to come into the 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:59.859 hospital room, I would be shouting, obviously 00:23:59.859 --> 00:24:02.500 flat -packed, but I could sense when they were 00:24:02.500 --> 00:24:05.299 coming in and I would say, stop, stop, stop, 00:24:05.339 --> 00:24:07.640 you're treading on me. And they'd only be by 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.000 the door. And they're saying, what are you talking 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:11.900 about, Jane? We need to come. We need to change 00:24:11.900 --> 00:24:14.500 this medication. I'd got drips everywhere, in 00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:16.859 my legs, in my arms, everywhere. And I said, 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.140 no, no, no. You're hurting me. You're treading 00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:22.160 on me. And they didn't understand it. And the 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.900 consultant came in by the door because the nurses, 00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:27.700 you know, I banned them all. I said, you can't 00:24:27.700 --> 00:24:30.710 come in. So he came to the door. tried to reason 00:24:30.710 --> 00:24:33.150 with me. And I said, no, they're treading on 00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:35.529 me. I can feel them. It's almost like they're 00:24:35.529 --> 00:24:38.630 treading on my soul. So we worked out a mechanism 00:24:38.630 --> 00:24:41.529 that I would count to 10. I would tell them when 00:24:41.529 --> 00:24:44.970 I'm counting to 10, and they would rush in, chase 00:24:44.970 --> 00:24:48.990 a drip and be out by nine, because I could feel 00:24:48.990 --> 00:24:52.250 their energy coming towards me. And it was really 00:24:52.250 --> 00:24:57.549 pressing on me. I was so fragile, so fragile, 00:24:57.809 --> 00:25:01.500 emotionally, mentally, physically. Fragile. Totally 00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:04.920 amazing that you were alive at all. I can't believe 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:07.460 it. Yeah, you basically broke everything. You 00:25:07.460 --> 00:25:10.480 were a broken person in all those different ways 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:13.480 that you just mentioned. And I think that because 00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:16.500 there was a lot of things going on, I just finished 00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:19.099 my law degree. That's one thing I said when they 00:25:19.099 --> 00:25:21.019 said you need to go back and start helping people. 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.200 I thought I haven't studied law all these years 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.599 to go lala. What are they talking about? You 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.799 know, that's not my bag. That ended my career. 00:25:28.940 --> 00:25:32.380 I just got a contract with Sir Nicholas Wilson 00:25:32.380 --> 00:25:35.640 after law school to work at the High Courts of 00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:38.420 Justice and I thought, well, you know, I'm on 00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:42.579 my way. But that all stopped. I do know that 00:25:42.579 --> 00:25:45.420 I was on my own, I was single, I'd got three 00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:47.759 jobs, three part -time jobs, taking the children 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.400 to school and everything else, looking after 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:52.680 my allotments and blah blah blah, you know, self 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:55.700 -sufficient. I don't need anybody, nobody can 00:25:55.700 --> 00:25:58.119 touch me, I'm gonna be strong. And obviously 00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:00.039 my soul's saying, Jane, it doesn't work like 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.559 that. So I wasn't listening to myself. My mother 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:06.109 would call me a willful mare. I don't know whether 00:26:06.109 --> 00:26:08.630 that's familiar to you over there. Well, contrary 00:26:08.630 --> 00:26:11.690 mare, she would call me. But that will actually 00:26:11.690 --> 00:26:16.490 was the strength that I used to get myself better 00:26:16.490 --> 00:26:20.529 again. She said, I never realised your willfulness 00:26:20.529 --> 00:26:23.190 until now. You're preparing yourself for this 00:26:23.190 --> 00:26:27.869 step. I had to flatline and start all over again 00:26:27.869 --> 00:26:31.230 because I was so busy doing, doing, doing. I 00:26:31.230 --> 00:26:34.609 was... deliberately blinding myself from situations 00:26:34.609 --> 00:26:38.630 where I needed to change my lifestyle. One job 00:26:38.630 --> 00:26:43.150 would be fine. I didn't need two and three and 00:26:43.150 --> 00:26:46.009 whatever. I didn't need to be doing everything 00:26:46.009 --> 00:26:48.470 that I thought I'd need to do because I need 00:26:48.470 --> 00:26:50.410 to be self -sufficient. You know, you can ask 00:26:50.410 --> 00:26:53.730 people to do things. I was just burning out, 00:26:54.069 --> 00:26:56.869 totally burning out. And I know your subconscious 00:26:56.869 --> 00:26:59.410 mind is there to look after you and it will look 00:26:59.410 --> 00:27:03.319 after you. If your body isn't coping, let's say 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:05.680 it thinks she needs a rest, we're gonna give 00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:08.400 her the flu. And you don't listen, they'll think, 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.200 right, that's it, we're gonna give her pneumonia 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.880 and knock her off her feet for a week. Because 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.660 your body knows, your body is actually telling 00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:18.000 you, but I wasn't listening. I could cope, I 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.940 didn't need anybody, I could do everything, I 00:27:19.940 --> 00:27:22.559 could manage everything. I'm financially fine, 00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:26.519 I'm okay. I was very defiant. I'm a lot softer 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.349 now. You changed a lot. Overall, what were the 00:27:30.349 --> 00:27:32.869 biggest things that you learned from this experience? 00:27:33.549 --> 00:27:36.890 Living in the moment is very important because 00:27:36.890 --> 00:27:39.990 we can think about, let's say, oh, it looks like 00:27:39.990 --> 00:27:42.490 cloudy day. I think it's going to rain. We might 00:27:42.490 --> 00:27:44.170 take a brolly, blah, blah, blah. We've got all 00:27:44.170 --> 00:27:46.170 these think, think, think, think, think. And 00:27:46.170 --> 00:27:49.109 we're thinking about things that don't even exist 00:27:49.109 --> 00:27:52.109 half the time that we forget to look and think 00:27:52.109 --> 00:27:54.910 the honeysuckles out. That blossom looks lovely. 00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:58.779 We're blind to a lot of things. Just like when 00:27:58.779 --> 00:28:01.380 you drive with your car, you're driving so fast 00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:03.500 you don't see anything. Whereas if you walk, 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:06.779 you see the trees, you smell the fragrance. Just 00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:10.900 living in the moment is very important. All right. 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:13.220 We've been through all that. Some of the other 00:28:13.220 --> 00:28:15.700 things that you and I wanted to talk about were 00:28:15.700 --> 00:28:18.480 these alternative healing things. One thing that 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.559 I hear about often I don't have personal experience 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.019 with is past life regressions. Would you explain 00:28:26.019 --> 00:28:30.299 what that is and how it helps people? Okay, past 00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:33.140 life regression. Actually now we know through 00:28:33.140 --> 00:28:37.900 quantum physics time is not linear, but basically 00:28:37.900 --> 00:28:42.559 you regress a person to a point in time, whether 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.200 it's this life or a previous life, because our 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:49.180 soul is one soul and These bodies are suits, 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.200 just like we change our vehicle. We can drive 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.920 a truck, we can drive a bus, we can drive a car. 00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:58.859 And so our soul will have several lives to contract 00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:02.579 on challenges, experiences and challenges. That 00:29:02.579 --> 00:29:06.519 is the theory. So I got into that purely because 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.160 it helped me. Because you can go to the root 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.880 cause of things that are issues that happen today. 00:29:11.980 --> 00:29:15.119 And we know now through quantum physics that 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.269 we know through DNA. ADHD, mental health issues, 00:29:19.549 --> 00:29:23.009 cancer. We know that we can transfer those, but 00:29:23.009 --> 00:29:26.349 we also know now that we can transfer thought. 00:29:26.710 --> 00:29:29.809 There was an experiment with rats, and I don't 00:29:29.809 --> 00:29:33.150 know whether you know about the thin red deer 00:29:33.150 --> 00:29:37.750 in Germany. The thin red deer, when the Berlin 00:29:37.750 --> 00:29:40.549 Wall went up, there was a massive wall around, 00:29:40.710 --> 00:29:44.069 separated East and West Germany. Obviously, in 00:29:44.069 --> 00:29:47.039 the countryside, lots and lots of woodland, They 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:50.660 had Harris fencing, etc. The animals in the woodlands, 00:29:50.980 --> 00:29:53.980 there's lots of deer in there, they soon got 00:29:53.980 --> 00:29:55.839 to know that if you got a little bit close to 00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:58.640 the fence, you're liable to stand on a mine or 00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:00.559 something. If you got really close, you know, 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.299 you'd fry. I can't remember how long the Berlin 00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:06.539 Wall was up. I think it came down in 1989, but 00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:10.259 reindeer only lived till they're about 15. So 00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:13.880 there was like two generations of reindeer. But 00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.680 even to this day, The reindeer knew from that 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.019 side of the woodland to that side and to this 00:30:20.019 --> 00:30:22.680 day they do not cross that line. They'll get 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.619 up close to where the Harris fencing used to 00:30:25.619 --> 00:30:28.099 be, they'd chew some cod and then they'd walk 00:30:28.099 --> 00:30:31.700 off but you know they just know that it's a survival 00:30:31.700 --> 00:30:35.119 technique that they've got. So is that genetic 00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.160 or how does that happen? Some people think that 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.900 it's conditioning. Obviously, every animal's 00:30:40.900 --> 00:30:42.759 got their own language, they talk to each other, 00:30:42.940 --> 00:30:45.819 but it's transferred thought. It's like there 00:30:45.819 --> 00:30:49.039 was an experiment with some pregnant rats, which 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.480 they impregnated with a blossom. Let's call it 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.039 apple blossom. And obviously, that was a shock 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.880 to their system. And the minute that they had 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.099 their babies, they'd got a little tray, little 00:31:01.099 --> 00:31:03.700 box, and they'd put the babies in there so that 00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:07.039 they had no... nurturing from the mother rats, 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:10.160 they put them in this little tray, this box, 00:31:10.660 --> 00:31:12.940 and they were sort of trying to crawl around 00:31:12.940 --> 00:31:16.940 and then what they did was they put some apple 00:31:16.940 --> 00:31:21.720 blossom in a corner of the box and the minute 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.619 that the baby rats started to get towards that 00:31:24.619 --> 00:31:27.759 corner they went into fight or flight mode. It's 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:30.819 almost like it changes their code, their survival 00:31:30.819 --> 00:31:34.240 code. So, and there's a lot that we don't understand 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.180 about our memory, isn't there? Yeah, and with 00:31:37.180 --> 00:31:40.160 animals, we call a lot of that instinct. Yeah. 00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.460 So whether it's in their DNA, whether it's social. 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.140 I mean, to me, instinct is more than just social. 00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:49.079 It's something innate that's going to happen. 00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:52.359 So that'd be interesting. Like, it'd be interesting 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.519 to find out. Was there ever a time when they 00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.359 took some of those deer near the Berlin Wall 00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:04.079 who maybe had lost their mother Were raised at 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.400 a place where we know this mother could not have 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:11.700 communicated Hey, don't go in this area And did 00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:14.819 they still avoid that area? The thing is that 00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:17.640 there's there's so many Questions that we can 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.099 ask. I just think now where I was a very closed 00:32:21.099 --> 00:32:24.779 off. I was very factual where I wanted case studies, 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.279 evidence, facts, fact, fact, fact. I began to 00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.140 have an open mind. That's all you need to do. 00:32:30.259 --> 00:32:32.660 You don't have to believe everything. If it doesn't 00:32:32.660 --> 00:32:35.599 sit with you, don't go with it. You know if something 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.440 is comfortable with you, but it's a bit like 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.319 you've heard of somebody having too much on the 00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.460 shoulders, having a heavy heart. I help a lot 00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:48.460 of people with what they think is IBS, when actually 00:32:48.460 --> 00:32:52.619 they regress, when I take them to the root cause, 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.440 they regress to a time, let's say that they were 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:59.319 in a coercive relationship, because our soul 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.960 holds receipts, we hold memories in our muscles, 00:33:03.339 --> 00:33:06.680 in our organs, so they regress to that time. 00:33:06.890 --> 00:33:09.970 because it's IBS here, because it's where they've 00:33:09.970 --> 00:33:13.049 got a memory of a time in their life when they 00:33:13.049 --> 00:33:16.210 couldn't stomach life. It's very symbolic. Do 00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:18.329 you see what I mean? I'm just open to everything. 00:33:18.569 --> 00:33:21.170 I don't say, it's like we've just had a retreat. 00:33:21.589 --> 00:33:24.150 We have log cabin that we do healing retreats. 00:33:24.150 --> 00:33:27.170 So we hire a big log cabin and we're drumming. 00:33:27.250 --> 00:33:30.970 We have a fire pit. We have high vibrational 00:33:30.970 --> 00:33:33.930 food. We only have a high vibrational food for 00:33:33.930 --> 00:33:37.549 that weekend. And we do loads and loads of different 00:33:37.549 --> 00:33:41.269 techniques. People love when we do the elevation. 00:33:41.970 --> 00:33:44.130 When somebody's on a chair and with your hands, 00:33:44.170 --> 00:33:46.750 you can just do this and you can actually lift 00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:49.109 them off the chair. But it needs a group of you 00:33:49.109 --> 00:33:52.430 to do it at the time to see it's amazing. That's 00:33:52.430 --> 00:33:55.589 pure energy. We can't see it. We can't smell 00:33:55.589 --> 00:33:58.710 it, but it's there. I just have to say, yeah, 00:33:58.809 --> 00:34:01.789 well, obviously it is there. I don't have to 00:34:01.789 --> 00:34:04.819 understand it all. Cool. All right. What do people 00:34:04.819 --> 00:34:07.160 do with this information? Somebody listening 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:10.579 today, for example, that's never had any of this 00:34:10.579 --> 00:34:16.159 kind of work done. Okay, I had a lady. I've got 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.519 a YouTube channel with about, I don't know, 600 00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.940 videos on how I work. I'm a dinosaur with technology, 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.809 so I just put them out as they are. A lady came 00:34:24.809 --> 00:34:28.130 to me, she was going through a bit of a challenging 00:34:28.130 --> 00:34:31.909 relationship. When she was meditating, she saw 00:34:31.909 --> 00:34:35.909 this particular flag. She'd got a bit of affiliation 00:34:35.909 --> 00:34:39.909 with the Air Force. She'd always had a fascination 00:34:39.909 --> 00:34:43.170 with Paris. It's in, I think that's in my second 00:34:43.170 --> 00:34:45.789 book. I've got a few books out. And I did a book 00:34:45.789 --> 00:34:48.730 of case studies, of my own case studies. Well, 00:34:48.889 --> 00:34:52.739 this woman... I find name, date, time, place. 00:34:53.139 --> 00:34:54.920 You know, if you're on a boat, I want to know 00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.840 the name of the ship. I want to know the country 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:02.619 that you're in and the time line so that I can 00:35:02.619 --> 00:35:06.179 research it on Google and find it. Well, this 00:35:06.179 --> 00:35:09.300 woman, she went back to her life. She says, I'm 00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:12.219 training in Paris. She says, I'm English but 00:35:12.219 --> 00:35:15.000 I'm training in Paris. She told me her name and 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.920 she said she was training in Paris and she was 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.800 one of the first RAF women pilots. Although the 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.980 men actually did the frontline stuff, she said 00:35:24.980 --> 00:35:28.179 we would go and collect people from war -torn 00:35:28.179 --> 00:35:30.780 countries or, you know, we would be the ones 00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:33.579 going on missions like taxiing because I asked 00:35:33.579 --> 00:35:36.659 her, you know, what's the significance of this 00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:40.199 flag that she sees and she drew it. and she said 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.619 it's what we know as Libya today. I used to travel 00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:45.900 there to get people out of the country and she 00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:48.239 told me her name and actually that was the name 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:52.019 of the first English woman pilot with the RAF 00:35:52.019 --> 00:35:55.420 in that year and they actually trained in Paris 00:35:55.420 --> 00:35:58.380 at that place and it's like I don't know how 00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:00.719 they know all this but I've got to leave the 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.300 door open. I get so much detail it's unbelievable. 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.000 And so with your research you're able to prove 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.860 some of these things. Yeah, it really is what 00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:13.739 they're saying. I had a woman that came to me. 00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:18.539 She was petrified. She had to speak at work. 00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.780 She was petrified. So that was just a plain, 00:36:22.059 --> 00:36:24.059 simple hypnosis. But I asked her to go to the 00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:26.619 root cause. And she told me she was a young lad 00:36:26.619 --> 00:36:30.280 in Ireland, standing on a box on a crate with 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.059 a lot of other men fighting and shouting for 00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:36.869 a decent men's pay, you know, wages. She said, 00:36:37.090 --> 00:36:39.030 they all ended up in the tavern at night, but 00:36:39.030 --> 00:36:41.010 the gentry weren't happy about this. She told 00:36:41.010 --> 00:36:43.289 me the year and everything. And they gathered 00:36:43.289 --> 00:36:46.690 them up and they hung them. But the blockage 00:36:46.690 --> 00:36:49.769 was in her throat because, and I said, what's 00:36:49.769 --> 00:36:53.829 the significance? And she says her mind remembers 00:36:53.829 --> 00:36:57.969 these flash memories. And if she's in danger, 00:36:58.389 --> 00:37:01.440 it tries to keep her away from danger. Every 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.639 time somebody asks her to speak, she's still 00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.179 got that memory with her because we can transfer 00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:09.159 memories and we know that. When somebody asks 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.320 her to speak, her mind says, hey girl, remember 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.639 what happened last time? Are you really sure 00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:17.739 you want to speak up? But it's out of date news, 00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:20.480 it's an out of date memory and we just haven't 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.739 filed it in the right place. This mind is massive. 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:26.440 I don't file everything in my house in the right 00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:30.260 place. How would I cope with all this? We do. 00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:33.360 associate things don't we and we don't file things 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.800 in the right place. Yeah and it helps and particularly 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.219 if somebody says got a mole or an injury it could 00:37:40.219 --> 00:37:43.440 be related to say where they were shot in a previous 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:47.139 life or whatever and it's surprising because 00:37:47.139 --> 00:37:50.639 as soon as they release that memory and they 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.079 have to do this then they feel a lot better. 00:37:54.739 --> 00:37:57.280 I had a lady that went down to the root cause 00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.400 of she couldn't see she got an eye patch and 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.869 a white stick. And I just said, I'm going to 00:38:01.869 --> 00:38:04.050 ask what's happening with your eyes because the 00:38:04.050 --> 00:38:06.969 NHS can't find anything wrong. And she went down 00:38:06.969 --> 00:38:09.230 to when she was three years old and she said, 00:38:09.230 --> 00:38:11.570 I'm in the kitchen and mummy and daddy are arguing. 00:38:11.650 --> 00:38:14.110 She was crying and she was saying they won't 00:38:14.110 --> 00:38:17.769 stop. So I was drawing at the kitchen table and 00:38:17.769 --> 00:38:19.849 I closed my eyes and screamed, stop it, stop 00:38:19.849 --> 00:38:23.909 it. And she was distraught. It was it was detachment 00:38:23.909 --> 00:38:27.510 from her parents. It was like an attachment issue. 00:38:28.099 --> 00:38:30.579 She says, and when I open my eyes, my daddy was 00:38:30.579 --> 00:38:33.360 gone. And I said, well, what's that got to do 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.659 with, you know, the conditions of her eyes now? 00:38:35.980 --> 00:38:38.739 And she said she made a decision at that time, 00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:40.940 because obviously she closed her eyes when she 00:38:40.940 --> 00:38:43.340 opened them, daddy was gone. She made a decision 00:38:43.340 --> 00:38:46.179 she didn't want to see anymore. And she was holding 00:38:46.179 --> 00:38:48.019 the memory at the back of her eyes. And I said, 00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.139 right, well, let's go there. And we do it all 00:38:51.139 --> 00:38:53.960 through thought. They have to be ready to let 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.500 it go because it's a bit like a piece of furniture. 00:38:56.539 --> 00:38:59.039 You've had it so long. almost don't want to let 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.320 go of it. And then when they let it go, it just 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.739 releases it. Do you know what? When she came 00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:08.920 off the couch, I was happy tears. She got hold 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:11.940 of my face and she went, oh, I can see your face. 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.300 I can see that light switch. And we both just 00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:19.659 sobbed. She said, I can see. That's not me doing 00:39:19.659 --> 00:39:23.760 miracles. That's me facilitating somebody finding 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.849 the root cause of their story. that trauma really. 00:39:29.449 --> 00:39:34.110 But it's an amazing gift. Very cool. If anybody 00:39:34.110 --> 00:39:36.849 wants to reach out to you, you have a website 00:39:36.849 --> 00:39:40.630 jane -osborne .com. I'll put it down in the snow 00:39:40.630 --> 00:39:43.409 notes. And I'm going to give you the last word 00:39:43.409 --> 00:39:47.690 here. Here's my question. I would like you to 00:39:47.690 --> 00:39:49.889 leave us with some kind of a message of hope. 00:39:50.170 --> 00:39:54.090 Why we shouldn't have fear of the future or an 00:39:54.090 --> 00:39:56.650 afterlife. If you can kind of put your thoughts 00:39:56.650 --> 00:40:00.730 into that, that'd be great. Well, the thing is, 00:40:01.010 --> 00:40:04.289 fear is just a thought, but we always, I mean, 00:40:04.389 --> 00:40:07.130 we're here, aren't we? We've survived so many 00:40:07.130 --> 00:40:10.230 things from when we were tiny to going through 00:40:10.230 --> 00:40:13.409 our teenage years, divorce, accidents, whatever. 00:40:14.110 --> 00:40:18.769 Naturally, we always survive. It's only our fear 00:40:18.769 --> 00:40:20.590 that says, this is going to happen, this is going 00:40:20.590 --> 00:40:24.010 to happen and it can kind of chew in your mind 00:40:24.010 --> 00:40:27.489 a lot so just don't listen to that monkey mind 00:40:27.489 --> 00:40:31.429 and don't believe in fear everything is a challenge 00:40:31.429 --> 00:40:35.630 and sometimes it's because your body and everything 00:40:35.630 --> 00:40:39.010 and your soul it needs a change in direction 00:40:39.010 --> 00:40:42.050 and it will make you uncomfortable in situations, 00:40:42.369 --> 00:40:45.329 in jobs or whatever because it's trying to steer 00:40:45.329 --> 00:40:47.889 you in the right way it's almost like an invisible 00:40:47.889 --> 00:40:51.519 parent and sometimes it is difficult but change 00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.900 is really important and when you're having those 00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:57.539 struggles like I thought I just lost the plot 00:40:57.539 --> 00:41:00.559 and I was never going to walk again but that 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.079 when I lost everything was when my journey began 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:10.159 so never ever lose hope or faith and never be 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:13.739 afraid because you don't actually die you just 00:41:13.739 --> 00:41:16.039 flick a switch and look at everything from a 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.099 different channel I like it Thanks a lot, Jane. 00:41:19.340 --> 00:41:21.840 Appreciate you being with me today. You're welcome. 00:41:22.019 --> 00:41:24.320 I've really enjoyed it. I've really enjoyed it, 00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:28.159 Eric. Thanks again for listening and sharing 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:30.480 this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.340 or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter 00:41:33.340 --> 00:41:36.170 at roundtripdeath .com. If you want to share 00:41:36.170 --> 00:41:38.929 your near -death experience, or if you have questions 00:41:38.929 --> 00:41:41.630 or comments about the show, send an email to 00:41:41.630 --> 00:41:45.110 eric at roundtripdeath .com. Until then, I wish 00:41:45.110 --> 00:41:47.010 you everything good that you're looking for in 00:41:47.010 --> 00:41:48.670 this life and the next.