WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.049 greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back 00:00:33.049 --> 00:00:36.869 home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. 00:00:39.090 --> 00:00:41.030 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody 00:00:41.030 --> 00:00:43.649 and a couple of great guests. This is going to 00:00:43.649 --> 00:00:47.030 be really fun today. We've got Baba and Makai 00:00:47.030 --> 00:00:49.590 coming to us. How are you guys? Doing great. 00:00:49.689 --> 00:00:52.409 Thank you for having us. And listeners, you don't 00:00:52.409 --> 00:00:56.049 normally get two for the price of one. Since 00:00:56.049 --> 00:00:58.329 you're not paying for this, it's an extra good 00:00:58.329 --> 00:01:02.549 deal today having two guests on. So Makai is 00:01:02.549 --> 00:01:05.150 the, let's see, were you director as well as 00:01:05.150 --> 00:01:06.989 being the host of this film we're going to talk 00:01:06.989 --> 00:01:10.590 about? I wouldn't take that much credit. I would 00:01:10.590 --> 00:01:14.290 say host and writer. I wrote the script and to 00:01:14.290 --> 00:01:17.310 help produce parts of it. But I was more of the, 00:01:17.310 --> 00:01:19.349 you know, the person guiding the audience through 00:01:19.349 --> 00:01:22.239 the storyline. So it's a great new film about 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:25.200 NDEs called Final Hours. It's put out by Epic 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.799 Times. We'll have all the info down in the show 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:30.219 notes. But we're going to be talking to Makai 00:01:30.219 --> 00:01:34.719 and also to Bubba who's in the doc to hear a 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:38.200 whole bunch about his experience because it's 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:40.579 really an interesting one that most people haven't 00:01:40.579 --> 00:01:44.359 heard before. But before we jump into that, let's 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:46.900 do this. And I didn't warn you guys ahead of 00:01:46.900 --> 00:01:49.450 time. We want to make sure that our listeners 00:01:49.450 --> 00:01:52.769 know you're real people. So you each get one 00:01:52.769 --> 00:01:55.629 minute to tell us a little bit about you. And 00:01:55.629 --> 00:01:57.510 that can be anything about where you live or 00:01:57.510 --> 00:02:00.349 family or work or anything you want, just so 00:02:00.349 --> 00:02:02.349 we can get to know you a little bit. So Bubba, 00:02:02.489 --> 00:02:05.930 let's start with you. Yeah. So my name is Bubba 00:02:05.930 --> 00:02:08.550 Herrick. I live just outside of Tampa, Florida. 00:02:08.969 --> 00:02:12.629 I am 26 years old. Born in New Jersey, raised 00:02:12.629 --> 00:02:15.289 in Florida, grew up playing baseball my whole 00:02:15.289 --> 00:02:18.289 life. In fact, part of my story, my near death 00:02:18.289 --> 00:02:21.909 experiences, I went in for a routine elbow surgery 00:02:21.909 --> 00:02:25.409 because I got injured as a pitcher. And that's 00:02:25.409 --> 00:02:27.009 a little bit about my story. I'm sure we'll get 00:02:27.009 --> 00:02:30.750 into it, but I'm a real person. I promise. All 00:02:30.750 --> 00:02:34.330 right, Makai. Yeah, I'm Makai and I work as a 00:02:34.330 --> 00:02:36.370 journalist, but just more recently I started 00:02:36.370 --> 00:02:39.050 to get into video. And like we mentioned, we're 00:02:39.050 --> 00:02:40.789 here to talk about Final Hours, a movie that 00:02:40.789 --> 00:02:44.090 I just helped produce. And it all started back 00:02:44.090 --> 00:02:46.150 when I was very young. I actually had my own 00:02:46.150 --> 00:02:48.870 near -death experience. I was living in Mexico 00:02:48.870 --> 00:02:52.050 at the time, and I was stung by a venomous scorpion. 00:02:52.289 --> 00:02:54.490 And I had a very, I don't want to say allergic, 00:02:54.590 --> 00:02:57.050 but very powerful reaction. And I actually left 00:02:57.050 --> 00:03:00.270 my body, and I saw myself outside of my own body. 00:03:00.629 --> 00:03:02.409 But I didn't know what it meant back then. And 00:03:02.409 --> 00:03:05.270 it wasn't until years after, after college, after 00:03:05.270 --> 00:03:07.590 grad school. Started writing as a journalist 00:03:07.590 --> 00:03:10.129 and I came across the term near -death experience 00:03:10.129 --> 00:03:12.210 and then I started reading all these articles 00:03:12.210 --> 00:03:15.830 and case studies and then watching videos Like 00:03:15.830 --> 00:03:17.949 a video that I came across on YouTube of Baba 00:03:17.949 --> 00:03:20.849 sharing his story and then yeah, we decided let's 00:03:20.849 --> 00:03:23.389 make a movie Let's go talk to this people get 00:03:23.389 --> 00:03:26.069 their stories and also I really wanted to talk 00:03:26.069 --> 00:03:28.789 to them in person because you watch all these 00:03:28.789 --> 00:03:30.650 things online Maybe people watching this video 00:03:30.650 --> 00:03:32.909 now, but when you talk to someone like Baba in 00:03:32.909 --> 00:03:35.229 person, they just have like a light about them. 00:03:35.349 --> 00:03:38.310 They have just so much to tell. And when they 00:03:38.310 --> 00:03:39.870 tell their stories, it's just fascinating. They're 00:03:39.870 --> 00:03:41.610 always saying, and then this happened, and then 00:03:41.610 --> 00:03:44.129 that happened. And that's why every single NDE, 00:03:44.250 --> 00:03:46.669 near -death experience, it's so unique and always 00:03:46.669 --> 00:03:50.750 just so thrilling to listen. I like the whole 00:03:50.750 --> 00:03:54.189 in -person idea you're talking about. So what 00:03:54.189 --> 00:03:57.590 we need is for every listener to send me like 00:03:57.590 --> 00:04:01.189 a thousand dollars, and we'll fly everybody in 00:04:01.189 --> 00:04:04.340 to my studio here in Utah. And we'll have fun 00:04:04.340 --> 00:04:06.520 doing it that way. In the meantime, we have to 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:09.439 make do. But it is good to be able to see you 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:11.939 guys face to face. That's at least something 00:04:11.939 --> 00:04:14.580 in that direction. Makai, are there any more 00:04:14.580 --> 00:04:17.399 details about your experience that you want to 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.100 fill in before we move on? How old did you say 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:23.379 you were? I was about seven or eight years old. 00:04:23.420 --> 00:04:25.639 So I was quite young. I was a child. And I didn't 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.579 know what was going on, but I did know it wasn't 00:04:28.579 --> 00:04:31.959 a dream. because I could very clearly feel myself 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.920 and I was very aware and I could see myself on 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:37.800 the bed and I could see all the details of the 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:40.740 room like there was a painting there was a nightstand 00:04:40.740 --> 00:04:43.519 and the only thing I remember it wasn't a very 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:47.019 visual NDE but I just remember thinking oh I 00:04:47.019 --> 00:04:49.439 don't think that's this is no good maybe I should 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:51.500 go back so I kind of like made this choice to 00:04:51.500 --> 00:04:53.740 go back but I didn't know it at the time it wasn't 00:04:53.740 --> 00:04:56.420 until much much later that I kind of connected 00:04:56.420 --> 00:04:59.480 the dots and I realized wow Well, I'm really 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:03.060 glad I made the choice to come back. And as I've 00:05:03.060 --> 00:05:06.459 talked to a lot of experiencers that had their 00:05:06.459 --> 00:05:08.660 episode, their experience when they were very 00:05:08.660 --> 00:05:12.480 young like that, most of them felt like they 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.459 didn't realize this is something unusual. Okay. 00:05:15.819 --> 00:05:18.319 Like, doesn't this just happen to everybody? 00:05:18.939 --> 00:05:21.920 So as you were seven, and I know it's not easy 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:23.819 to go back to your memories then, but do you 00:05:23.819 --> 00:05:26.220 think that was sort of how you processed it? 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:28.220 Like, this was no big deal. It just happens. 00:05:28.659 --> 00:05:30.279 I think so. I mean, I would say I was raised 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.800 in a very, you know, open -minded family, a lot 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.180 of meditation and yoga and stuff like this. So 00:05:35.180 --> 00:05:38.199 it wasn't a new kind of concept, the whole idea 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.439 of maybe leaving your body. I wasn't too shocked. 00:05:41.500 --> 00:05:43.819 It felt very natural. Later on, when I started 00:05:43.819 --> 00:05:46.079 to get more into meditation, I realized that 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.180 you don't have to have an NDE to have an out 00:05:48.180 --> 00:05:50.519 -of -body experience. A lot of people have out 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:52.959 -of -body experiences without having to, you 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.079 know, die. But no, for me back then, it felt 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:56.959 very natural. You know, it felt almost like a 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.329 dream, but I knew it wasn't a dream. Alright, 00:05:59.589 --> 00:06:01.930 let's shift to you bubba. Let's take it from 00:06:01.930 --> 00:06:05.389 the beginning. How old were you? I know you hurt 00:06:05.389 --> 00:06:08.250 your elbow Playing baseball tell us what was 00:06:08.250 --> 00:06:13.529 going on Yeah, so I was 19 at the time. I was 00:06:13.529 --> 00:06:15.509 playing baseball for Jacksonville University 00:06:15.509 --> 00:06:18.110 It was my freshman year of college and I was 00:06:18.110 --> 00:06:20.449 going in for just like a routine elbow surgery 00:06:20.449 --> 00:06:22.790 It's a very very common procedure. It's called 00:06:22.790 --> 00:06:24.629 Tommy John surgery for those who are interested 00:06:24.629 --> 00:06:28.310 in baseball I was expecting it to be pretty successful. 00:06:28.649 --> 00:06:32.189 The day before my surgery, I had this pre -operation 00:06:32.189 --> 00:06:34.949 meeting with this nurse and she asked me all 00:06:34.949 --> 00:06:36.649 these questions to ensure that I was able to 00:06:36.649 --> 00:06:39.290 be operated on. And one of the questions was, 00:06:39.370 --> 00:06:41.750 are you allergic to anything that might complicate 00:06:41.750 --> 00:06:44.110 the surgery? From that point on, I just kind 00:06:44.110 --> 00:06:46.430 of knew deep in my gut that there was something 00:06:46.430 --> 00:06:49.850 off about this surgery. So day of my surgery 00:06:49.850 --> 00:06:53.009 comes and I go in for it. The doctor puts the 00:06:53.009 --> 00:06:56.350 anesthesia in my IV. and assures me that when 00:06:56.350 --> 00:06:58.209 we get to the operating room, I'm going to be 00:06:58.209 --> 00:07:00.470 unconscious. And we had gotten to the operating 00:07:00.470 --> 00:07:04.310 room and I was still awake, but I was just kind 00:07:04.310 --> 00:07:07.389 of like closing my eyes, dozing off, expecting 00:07:07.389 --> 00:07:10.889 to wake up with this surgery done. But that's 00:07:10.889 --> 00:07:13.829 not what happened. This team of surgeons and 00:07:13.829 --> 00:07:16.490 doctors, they got me ready to be operated on. 00:07:16.769 --> 00:07:18.689 I got onto the operating table. As soon as they 00:07:18.689 --> 00:07:21.230 were about to cut into me, I just started kind 00:07:21.230 --> 00:07:23.709 of floating above my body. It was almost as if 00:07:23.709 --> 00:07:27.610 I was on like the second story of a house looking 00:07:27.610 --> 00:07:31.529 down through a thick glass panel at the first 00:07:31.529 --> 00:07:34.750 story of the house as I watched myself die on 00:07:34.750 --> 00:07:37.089 the operating table from an allergic reaction 00:07:37.089 --> 00:07:39.750 to the to the anesthesia. You know, immediately 00:07:39.750 --> 00:07:43.069 without transition, Eric, I was shuttled into 00:07:43.069 --> 00:07:46.170 a life review. Like I was just surrounded by 00:07:46.170 --> 00:07:50.350 this review of my life. It was like a 360 degree 00:07:50.350 --> 00:07:53.879 kind of panoramic movie of my life. It was interesting. 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:57.240 I was able to not just play my own character 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:00.399 in this review of my life, this movie of my life, 00:08:00.420 --> 00:08:04.360 but I was also able to experience these memories 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:07.279 that were flashing before my eyes through the 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.759 lens of other people as well. The theme of my 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:12.420 life review, Eric, it just wasn't positive. It 00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:15.220 was because I saw all the moments of my life 00:08:15.220 --> 00:08:17.980 that I wish I had back. And for the sake of time, 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.519 I won't get into those details of those stories 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.980 right now, but At the end of my life review, 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.100 I just didn't grow up with any belief in God 00:08:26.100 --> 00:08:29.160 or anything like that. But after my life review 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.019 and what I had seen, I just found myself calling 00:08:32.019 --> 00:08:35.480 out for God, begging God for a second chance 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:38.200 to do this right based on what I had just seen. 00:08:38.500 --> 00:08:41.840 It wasn't until I mouthed the words and completely 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.740 embodied surrender, I said, God, I don't know 00:08:44.740 --> 00:08:47.720 what's next, but I surrender to it. And I trust 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:50.080 that whatever's going to happen next, I have 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.279 no control over. And it wasn't until that, that 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:55.759 I was shuttled into, you know, without transition, 00:08:56.460 --> 00:08:59.779 into the most beautiful place I had ever seen 00:08:59.779 --> 00:09:03.720 or experienced. As if I was looking at the outside 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:06.480 world from the perspective of the inside of the 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.340 purest diamond in the universe. There were these 00:09:09.340 --> 00:09:12.220 refracted combinations of light that just formed 00:09:12.220 --> 00:09:15.960 this one universal color. Time didn't exist in 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:19.320 this place. I didn't have a body, but I felt 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:22.080 And I couldn't think thoughts, but I just felt 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.659 more alive in this place than I had ever felt 00:09:24.659 --> 00:09:28.799 in my life. All of a sudden, this strange figure 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.740 appears and this figure without transition passes 00:09:33.740 --> 00:09:37.019 me a basketball. The figure, it turns out, was 00:09:37.019 --> 00:09:41.019 my stepdad who had passed away in 2018, which 00:09:41.019 --> 00:09:43.659 was just about a year before my surgery scare. 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:46.580 The basketball game that we created on the other 00:09:46.580 --> 00:09:50.179 side was actually a recreation of a real moment 00:09:50.179 --> 00:09:52.960 that we shared on earth when I was 12 years old. 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.299 And the only difference between the 12 year old 00:09:55.299 --> 00:09:57.919 basketball game and this basketball game was 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:00.320 that this was happening in real time. I was 19 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:02.500 years old. This was happening right here, right 00:10:02.500 --> 00:10:05.919 now. The game was full of fun, loving, kind of 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:08.539 competitive energy. And then towards the end 00:10:08.539 --> 00:10:11.639 of the game, though, Mike, his name was my stepdad, 00:10:11.899 --> 00:10:15.600 his energy shifted and he became more fatherly, 00:10:15.620 --> 00:10:18.240 if you will. All of our communication and the 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:20.519 basketball game itself was telepathic. We didn't 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:24.559 have bodies. There was no need for words. But 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:26.799 if there were, he would have communicated something 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:29.419 like this. He said, let's cut the crap, Bubba. 00:10:29.659 --> 00:10:34.980 I know after your life review how badly you wanted 00:10:34.980 --> 00:10:38.200 that second chance to do this right, to right 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:40.620 these wrongs. And he says, I'm here to offer 00:10:40.620 --> 00:10:44.279 you that second chance. But if I give you this 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:47.960 second chance, He says, you have an obligation 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:50.940 and a responsibility to serve your great purpose. 00:10:51.340 --> 00:10:53.700 And the next time you die, you need to be ready 00:10:53.700 --> 00:10:57.639 for it. Reluctantly, I accepted his offer, although 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:59.919 I did not want to leave that place because that 00:10:59.919 --> 00:11:02.679 place just felt like my home. He disappeared 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:05.340 as soon as I accepted his offer. And I was back 00:11:05.340 --> 00:11:08.360 on that second story of that proverbial house 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:10.759 I watched as the doctors brought me back to life. 00:11:11.149 --> 00:11:13.409 Alright, I want to dig deep in a couple of places 00:11:13.409 --> 00:11:15.129 here. Let's start with the life review where 00:11:15.129 --> 00:11:18.049 you started I love hearing about life reviews. 00:11:18.250 --> 00:11:21.450 They are so fascinating to me and there's always 00:11:21.450 --> 00:11:25.110 a visual aspect You mentioned I think the term 00:11:25.110 --> 00:11:28.909 360 degree view explain that a little bit more 00:11:28.909 --> 00:11:32.669 Yeah, what's hard to explain? I didn't say it'd 00:11:32.669 --> 00:11:38.470 be easy to explain I was just immersed in this 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:42.799 all -encompassing viewpoint. It's hard to say, 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.200 but I couldn't see. It's not like right now we 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:49.720 perceive things in our peripheral and what's 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.240 right in front of us, but I just could see in 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.019 all directions. I don't know how else to explain 00:11:54.019 --> 00:11:56.559 it, Eric. I'm sorry. That's a difficult question. 00:11:57.100 --> 00:12:00.899 That's okay. I love to hear about how are you 00:12:00.899 --> 00:12:03.299 feeling? It sounded like there was some disappointment 00:12:03.299 --> 00:12:05.740 and some things that you had to learn from that 00:12:05.740 --> 00:12:11.409 life review. Were you feeling guilt, shame, happiness. 00:12:11.669 --> 00:12:13.929 Tell me all the feelings that were going through 00:12:13.929 --> 00:12:17.750 you. Yeah. Well, all of those, I mean, you hit 00:12:17.750 --> 00:12:21.190 it perfectly. Definitely guilt and shame, I think 00:12:21.190 --> 00:12:23.389 were some of the biggest ones. And the reason 00:12:23.389 --> 00:12:26.169 for that was because there were just situations 00:12:26.169 --> 00:12:29.350 where maybe I should have acted in a different 00:12:29.350 --> 00:12:32.710 manner than I did at the time. And in my life 00:12:32.710 --> 00:12:34.629 review, that brought up a bunch of guilt and 00:12:34.629 --> 00:12:38.159 shame because obviously I didn't I didn't act 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:41.320 in the way that I wished I had. Another emotion 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:44.299 that I felt was anger, a lot of anger towards 00:12:44.299 --> 00:12:46.519 myself, almost in the way that's like, how could 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:50.600 you have done that? I had a higher standard for 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:53.279 who I was and my character that I didn't live 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.500 up to, and I was angry at myself about that. 00:12:56.019 --> 00:12:58.000 And so what did you learn from all that? How 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.250 did it change you? Oh, man. It changed me in 00:13:01.250 --> 00:13:03.450 just about every way possible. You never made 00:13:03.450 --> 00:13:06.230 those mistakes again. You treated everyone perfectly 00:13:06.230 --> 00:13:10.429 ever since. No, no. And I won't. I will never 00:13:10.429 --> 00:13:13.909 get to that point. But I think the biggest change 00:13:13.909 --> 00:13:19.129 after my life review is I now am aware of myself 00:13:19.129 --> 00:13:22.029 dying full of that regret. So in every decision, 00:13:22.230 --> 00:13:25.070 in every conversation that I have now, I do my 00:13:25.070 --> 00:13:28.139 best to remain as intentional and aware of that 00:13:28.139 --> 00:13:30.240 as possible and just show up the best that I 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.080 can in every, every little moment. I don't know 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.919 if you know, but it is unusual for people to 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:38.519 have some of those feelings that you did. A lot 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:41.960 of people in their life review, they realize, 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:45.539 Oh man, I did something wrong. And they're feeling 00:13:45.539 --> 00:13:48.759 extreme empathy, you know, from the other person's 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:51.000 point of view, but they're also feeling love 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:56.279 instead of shame. The only thing I can say is 00:13:56.819 --> 00:13:59.320 Maybe that was the best way for you to learn. 00:13:59.980 --> 00:14:03.360 That's the way Bubba learns is from being kind 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.899 of angry with himself and then doing better and 00:14:05.899 --> 00:14:08.559 moving on, right? I mean, you don't need to harbor 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:12.000 any of those feelings long term. Yeah. No, I 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.039 agree with you. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:16.259 that's the best way that I learned or not, but 00:14:16.259 --> 00:14:19.139 I think I experienced exactly what I was supposed 00:14:19.139 --> 00:14:22.539 to experience. Absolutely. I love that you said 00:14:22.539 --> 00:14:26.519 you felt more alive. Tell me exactly what you 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:29.179 meant by feeling more alive Especially since 00:14:29.179 --> 00:14:32.419 you weren't alive right physically anyway, right? 00:14:32.580 --> 00:14:37.659 I felt like that place was my true home and The 00:14:37.659 --> 00:14:40.940 feeling of aliveness just felt more real there 00:14:40.940 --> 00:14:43.360 than it than it did on earth You know, I just 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:47.139 felt like the feeling of aliveness itself was 00:14:47.139 --> 00:14:50.259 It was perfect. It's storming pretty hard out 00:14:50.259 --> 00:14:51.879 here, by the way. It's If you're picking that 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:53.879 up. I was going to say, if anybody can hear the 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.299 background noise, there's real life thunder coming 00:14:56.299 --> 00:14:59.720 through. You're down in Florida today. So good 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:04.320 luck. Thanks. All right. A couple more questions. 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:07.120 I find this whole basketball game thing really 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.659 cool. And part of why it's so cool is because 00:15:11.659 --> 00:15:15.340 fathers and sons, and I don't want to make any 00:15:15.340 --> 00:15:18.960 gender stereotypes here, but guys in general 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:23.399 often communicate instead of words. They communicate 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:28.299 through playing games or sports or tackling each 00:15:28.299 --> 00:15:30.419 other, whatever, you know, whatever in the world 00:15:30.419 --> 00:15:33.320 it happens to be. So I think that's really cool 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.960 that you and Mike had this experience and you 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:39.740 didn't need to talk. No, you're exactly right. 00:15:40.100 --> 00:15:42.279 The communication was just, it was just known. 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.480 It was like, we both just knew everything. Okay. 00:15:45.580 --> 00:15:50.149 Last thing. And that is you use the term reluctantly 00:15:50.149 --> 00:15:53.250 accepted the offer to come back. So why were 00:15:53.250 --> 00:15:55.230 you so reluctant? I mean, you said you wanted 00:15:55.230 --> 00:15:57.750 to stay, but why did you feel like you needed 00:15:57.750 --> 00:16:00.549 to come back? It's a good question. I still think 00:16:00.549 --> 00:16:03.690 about that a lot because that place really and 00:16:03.690 --> 00:16:06.509 truly, you know, it did feel like my home, but 00:16:06.509 --> 00:16:09.429 I trusted Mike in that moment that he said I 00:16:09.429 --> 00:16:11.990 had a great purpose that I needed to serve. I 00:16:11.990 --> 00:16:14.779 think reluctantly, I I chose to come back because 00:16:14.779 --> 00:16:17.139 it just felt like it was the right decision and 00:16:17.139 --> 00:16:19.679 it just, it also felt like I didn't really have 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:22.690 much of a choice. 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I think reluctantly I 00:17:52.220 --> 00:17:54.420 chose to come back because it just felt like 00:17:54.420 --> 00:17:57.319 it was the right decision and it just it also 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:59.579 felt like I didn't really have much of a choice. 00:17:59.980 --> 00:18:02.319 It kind of in in some kind of paradoxical way 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:03.980 it felt like the choice was already made for 00:18:03.980 --> 00:18:06.400 me but I didn't want to leave that place because 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.740 it you know Mike was there and that place was 00:18:08.740 --> 00:18:11.640 much it just felt realer it just felt like like 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:14.839 a truer truer to where I was supposed to be at 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.240 the time. All right, Makai, back to you. You've 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:21.200 had a break now. In the doc, it's short enough 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.519 that you don't have near enough time like we 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:28.059 do here today to ask every single question. I'm 00:18:28.059 --> 00:18:30.180 guessing you asked a whole bunch of questions 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:33.380 that ended up on the cutting room floor. Can 00:18:33.380 --> 00:18:36.559 you tell us maybe one or two that got left out 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:39.000 or something you wish you would have asked? Well, 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:41.269 I mean, Something I was really curious about 00:18:41.269 --> 00:18:44.029 was this whole idea of the great purpose because 00:18:44.029 --> 00:18:48.289 he had his NDE. He came back and he could remember 00:18:48.289 --> 00:18:51.829 that he was given this chance to redo his life 00:18:51.829 --> 00:18:54.650 in a sense. I asked him a lot about this, like, 00:18:54.670 --> 00:18:57.490 so how did you change? Because what's so interesting 00:18:57.490 --> 00:18:59.710 is that pretty much everyone that has an NDE, 00:18:59.910 --> 00:19:02.089 I think Dr. Jeffrey Long, he did a study and 00:19:02.089 --> 00:19:04.750 there's 88 % of people that come back. They have 00:19:04.750 --> 00:19:08.539 profound after effects after the NDE. And that 00:19:08.539 --> 00:19:11.279 means, you know, increased spirituality or increased 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.079 belief in God, religion. What's interesting to 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:15.500 me is that, you know, you would think if someone 00:19:15.500 --> 00:19:18.359 goes to the other side, sees this amazing place 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:21.619 like Yubaba or they see God, maybe they come 00:19:21.619 --> 00:19:23.480 back and you maybe would assume, oh, maybe they'll 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:25.500 be super happy. But actually, that's not what 00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:27.359 happens at all. A lot of people that come back, 00:19:27.740 --> 00:19:29.640 they report being very depressed because they 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.940 almost have like a very deep cognitive dissociation 00:19:32.940 --> 00:19:35.440 or they don't know how to integrate or they feel 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:37.579 like Like you were saying, Baba, reluctantly, 00:19:37.980 --> 00:19:39.559 you didn't want to leave, but now you're back 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:41.799 here and I have senses and I'm so limited, I 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:43.900 can only see this. And that's something I really 00:19:43.900 --> 00:19:46.640 wanted to get Baba's perspective on. Coming back, 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.339 being a young guy, being 19 years old, and now 00:19:49.339 --> 00:19:52.059 having to deal with these strong feelings. Back 00:19:52.059 --> 00:19:54.380 to you, Baba, I'm really curious again, how did 00:19:54.380 --> 00:19:56.480 you feel when you came back and how did you integrate 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.220 the experience the years after that? It was a 00:20:00.220 --> 00:20:02.539 really tough thing for me, to your point, Makai. 00:20:02.779 --> 00:20:05.480 It just that felt like that felt like my home 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:07.680 and then you you come back and you re -enter 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.500 your body and you're no longer in this home and 00:20:11.500 --> 00:20:15.240 then on the other side the the the egoic voice 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.539 in in your head that you know is has this constant 00:20:18.539 --> 00:20:21.640 mental chatter all the time and that re -enters 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:24.059 your body and that's that doesn't exist on the 00:20:24.059 --> 00:20:27.000 other side and it's like this thing that wasn't 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.559 present for this experience is now trying to 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:32.299 make sense. of this experience that it wasn't 00:20:32.299 --> 00:20:35.759 even there for. And on top of that, to your point, 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:38.839 Makai, you've got these questions of mortality 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.700 for myself that I experienced at such a young 00:20:41.700 --> 00:20:44.299 age. Growing up, I didn't think about death at 00:20:44.299 --> 00:20:47.940 all, at all. And then the surgeon before my surgery 00:20:47.940 --> 00:20:50.640 reassured me, in an hour, you're going to be 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:53.220 headed back home. And then 15 minutes later, 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:57.039 I was dead. And it's like, how do you make sense 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:01.160 of that? that simple fact of mortality being 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:03.960 real and the fact that I had no control over 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:06.460 any of it. And then on the other side of that, 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:09.079 it's like, well, all of that in mind, what am 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:12.140 I supposed to do with this? Do I share this? 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:15.279 Do I keep it inside for the rest of my life? 00:21:15.660 --> 00:21:18.180 So I mean, it was very, very, very, very difficult. 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:20.900 But now seven years out from that experience, 00:21:21.539 --> 00:21:26.049 I do feel called to share it and kind of Lean 00:21:26.049 --> 00:21:28.109 into it and embrace it a little bit more because 00:21:28.109 --> 00:21:30.750 although it has been difficult coming back from 00:21:30.750 --> 00:21:33.470 it like to your point I do feel profoundly changed 00:21:33.470 --> 00:21:35.650 from it It's amazing all the ways that people 00:21:35.650 --> 00:21:38.890 change after they come back and I want to interject 00:21:38.890 --> 00:21:41.650 something with what you said and that is that 00:21:41.650 --> 00:21:45.230 When you feel that all of those wonderful feelings 00:21:45.230 --> 00:21:48.589 that you had there Feeling more alive than alive 00:21:48.589 --> 00:21:51.799 all of those kinds of things And for a lot of 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.819 people, it's feeling this intense love. When 00:21:54.819 --> 00:21:58.579 they come back, that stuff's gone all of a sudden. 00:21:59.059 --> 00:22:02.019 And that is part of why people get depressed. 00:22:02.660 --> 00:22:05.900 It's sort of like if you really love someone 00:22:05.900 --> 00:22:08.160 and then something happens to them, they move 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.900 away or they pass away or something, you're going 00:22:10.900 --> 00:22:13.619 to feel this big loss for a while, right? And 00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:15.339 you're going to have to go through stages of 00:22:15.339 --> 00:22:18.859 grief. And after an NDE, you have to do some 00:22:18.859 --> 00:22:22.089 of that same thing. You have something to grieve 00:22:22.089 --> 00:22:25.809 over because you realize how awesome it is there 00:22:25.809 --> 00:22:27.930 and you're back here Even though you're only 00:22:27.930 --> 00:22:30.069 temporarily back here and you know, you're gonna 00:22:30.069 --> 00:22:33.349 be going back there someday That's not an easy 00:22:33.349 --> 00:22:36.309 thing to adjust to another thing that I hear 00:22:36.309 --> 00:22:38.789 a lot and I'm curious if some of this happened 00:22:38.789 --> 00:22:42.269 to you a Lot of people are changed enough that 00:22:42.269 --> 00:22:45.410 their priorities in life really change So for 00:22:45.410 --> 00:22:49.289 example, a lot of people change careers within 00:22:49.289 --> 00:22:52.650 a year after an NDE. Some people, unfortunately, 00:22:53.349 --> 00:22:56.250 change partners. Divorce rates are really high. 00:22:56.789 --> 00:22:59.410 Any of that kind of stuff happen to you? I know 00:22:59.410 --> 00:23:01.009 you were a little young for the divorce rate 00:23:01.009 --> 00:23:04.990 thing, but. Yeah. Well, I tried to come back 00:23:04.990 --> 00:23:07.930 to play baseball. I eventually did get my surgery 00:23:07.930 --> 00:23:12.390 and I tried to return to baseball, but, you know, 00:23:12.410 --> 00:23:15.609 I just, I didn't have the same love for it as 00:23:15.609 --> 00:23:19.740 I once did because You're totally right. My priorities 00:23:19.740 --> 00:23:23.059 changed. I became more interested in helping 00:23:23.059 --> 00:23:26.440 people rather than serving myself. I think that 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:29.119 was one of the biggest changes. There was no 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:31.259 need for baseball in my life anymore because 00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:34.559 before my NDE, it was driven by a fear. That 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:38.460 was my fuel. After my NDE, I wasn't afraid of 00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:41.200 death anymore. I wasn't afraid of hardly anything 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:44.700 in that regard. I wanted to just love and serve 00:23:44.700 --> 00:23:48.529 people. Very well said. Way to go. You came back 00:23:48.529 --> 00:23:51.069 changed in a very good way. Let's talk about 00:23:51.069 --> 00:23:54.710 physically your recovery. So you're just into 00:23:54.710 --> 00:23:57.769 this surgery. They're not able to finish the 00:23:57.769 --> 00:24:01.250 surgery. Tell me what did they do to revive you? 00:24:01.289 --> 00:24:03.049 How long did it take you to get better? How long 00:24:03.049 --> 00:24:06.089 were you in the hospital? Yeah. So in terms of 00:24:06.089 --> 00:24:09.009 them reviving me, they used adrenaline to revive 00:24:09.009 --> 00:24:11.210 me and that seemed to be pretty effective. And 00:24:11.210 --> 00:24:14.130 then in terms of my recovery, when I got back 00:24:14.130 --> 00:24:17.339 to Tampa, I had to go through all of this allergy 00:24:17.339 --> 00:24:20.359 testing to see what it was that caused me to 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:23.059 react in such a way. And we found out that the 00:24:23.059 --> 00:24:24.859 ingredient that caused me to react was called 00:24:24.859 --> 00:24:27.960 ANSEF. That's short for a really, really long 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:29.680 title that I don't really know how to pronounce. 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.000 But yeah, and then I eventually did get a successful 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:35.720 surgery after that. Without the effects you had 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:39.440 the first time. Right, right. Yeah, because you 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:42.470 knew what it was this time. Hey, Mackay, in the 00:24:42.470 --> 00:24:45.230 doc, you interviewed some other people, some 00:24:45.230 --> 00:24:48.029 of which are very famous in the NDE community. 00:24:48.650 --> 00:24:50.690 Do you want to just drop a couple of names for 00:24:50.690 --> 00:24:53.349 us and what you learned from them? Yeah, I mean, 00:24:54.349 --> 00:24:56.869 the arguably the most famous is Dr. Robin Alexander, 00:24:57.250 --> 00:25:01.109 the Harvard trained neurosurgeon. He was a neurosurgeon 00:25:01.109 --> 00:25:04.009 for many, many years and he was a self -described 00:25:04.009 --> 00:25:06.609 materialist, you know, a very scientific mind. 00:25:06.940 --> 00:25:09.880 Everything is a material process. Consciousness 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:13.259 must be a product of the brain, chemicals and 00:25:13.259 --> 00:25:16.339 electrical influx, stuff like this. But then 00:25:16.339 --> 00:25:19.319 he had a very serious case of bacterial meningitis, 00:25:19.579 --> 00:25:22.099 a bacterial infection in the brain. And it really 00:25:22.099 --> 00:25:24.220 is wild. When you read the medical records, if 00:25:24.220 --> 00:25:26.960 you have any medical training, you just think, 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:29.779 wow, this guy should not be alive. He had a 2 00:25:29.779 --> 00:25:33.200 % chance of recovery. And he has this seven -day 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:36.240 coma. And the thing is, his neocortex, the part 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.279 of the brain that is the one responsible for 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:42.039 memory, perception, thoughts, language, he was 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.859 completely offline. He was completely, you can 00:25:44.859 --> 00:25:47.940 say, eaten off by the bacteria. And somehow, 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:50.119 while he was in a coma, he was having a very 00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:53.160 lucid experience on the other side, wherever 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:55.539 that was. But what's so interesting about his 00:25:55.539 --> 00:25:58.259 NDE is that he couldn't remember who he was. 00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:04.140 He just was. And he writes in his book, amazing 00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:07.079 details about going to a valley, looking at the 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.480 angels and all these things. And then on the 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:11.920 seventh day of his coma, he actually came back. 00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:14.940 And once he came back, his life dramatically 00:26:14.940 --> 00:26:17.279 changed. He became, I don't want to say a believer 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:20.500 of anything, but he just, his whole concept of 00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:23.019 consciousness coming out of the brain completely 00:26:23.019 --> 00:26:26.500 broken apart, all those notions dismantled. And 00:26:26.500 --> 00:26:28.359 now he's dedicated his whole life to, you know, 00:26:28.539 --> 00:26:29.960 telling people about the experience. He also 00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:32.690 had very dramatic life changes, like you were 00:26:32.690 --> 00:26:34.829 saying, divorce rate is pretty high. He was, 00:26:34.829 --> 00:26:37.069 you know, very open to share that it was not 00:26:37.069 --> 00:26:39.609 very easy coming back and dealing with the family. 00:26:40.029 --> 00:26:43.309 We also had Anita Murjani, who had very serious 00:26:43.309 --> 00:26:46.390 cancer. And again, just miraculously, during 00:26:46.390 --> 00:26:49.269 her coma, she saw her father, she saw different 00:26:49.269 --> 00:26:52.369 beings somewhere. And they told her, you know, 00:26:52.470 --> 00:26:55.730 go back and live your life fearlessly. What's 00:26:55.730 --> 00:26:57.549 so interesting about her is that she kind of 00:26:57.549 --> 00:26:59.890 like realized everything in her life that caused 00:26:59.890 --> 00:27:02.599 the disease. In some magical way, she was able 00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:05.279 to know what caused it and it was fear for her. 00:27:05.900 --> 00:27:07.980 So then she realized if I come back, you know, 00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:10.660 I don't want to go back to a dying body. But 00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:12.700 because she knew what caused the disease, she 00:27:12.700 --> 00:27:15.099 was able to reverse it. And again, it's really 00:27:15.099 --> 00:27:18.180 a medical miracle. She came back and the lymphoma 00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:20.400 just completely disappeared. So we have Evan 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.359 Alexander Anita and also Trisha Barker. She was 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:25.799 an English, she's an English teacher now. And 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.059 she was a student about the same age as Baba 00:27:28.059 --> 00:27:30.809 when she had her experience. Yeah, leave that 00:27:30.809 --> 00:27:32.430 one for the if people want to watch they can 00:27:32.430 --> 00:27:34.369 go watch them in detail because they're very 00:27:34.369 --> 00:27:36.529 amazing And I think we did a pretty good job 00:27:36.529 --> 00:27:39.170 to you know, tell their story. Oh, absolutely 00:27:39.170 --> 00:27:44.069 Okay before I let you go our show really is all 00:27:44.069 --> 00:27:47.730 about hope It's not about death. It's about hope 00:27:47.730 --> 00:27:50.529 and the things that we can learn from these experiences 00:27:50.529 --> 00:27:54.250 Can give us hope whether we have lost a loved 00:27:54.250 --> 00:27:58.230 one recently Our life is just really tough these 00:27:58.230 --> 00:28:00.990 days in this world. I want to hear just a little 00:28:00.990 --> 00:28:05.150 bit from each of you about how NDEs can give 00:28:05.150 --> 00:28:08.650 us hope. Makai, you go first. Bubba, you can 00:28:08.650 --> 00:28:12.390 wrap it up. In a sense, I came into this investigation 00:28:12.390 --> 00:28:15.710 biased because I had my own NDE. And I would 00:28:15.710 --> 00:28:18.190 say since that moment, I kind of knew death was 00:28:18.190 --> 00:28:21.490 not the end. So I've always had like this kind 00:28:21.490 --> 00:28:24.460 of like lightheartedness with death. as in not 00:28:24.460 --> 00:28:26.599 having too much fear. But when I was reading 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:28.740 all these cases and then talking to people like 00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:30.700 Baba, at the end of the interviews, I would always 00:28:30.700 --> 00:28:33.519 ask them, are you afraid of death? And it was 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.519 just amazing to me how quickly they would react. 00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:39.680 But it wasn't like a reaction out of like, oh, 00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:41.940 I need to say the right thing. It was just a 00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:45.559 very profound confidence of absolutely not like, 00:28:45.579 --> 00:28:48.319 why would I be afraid? You know, they're so convinced 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:50.380 in their being that there's something else that 00:28:50.380 --> 00:28:52.460 is much greater than what we have here in this 00:28:52.460 --> 00:28:56.000 life. that is much more loving, more open, heightened 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.299 senses that we are so limited here and we're 00:28:59.299 --> 00:29:01.619 fearing something that is so much greater. So 00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:04.099 for me, during this investigation for the documentary, 00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:06.819 I just realized whatever these people saw on 00:29:06.819 --> 00:29:09.160 the other side, we should not fear it. What's 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:12.140 coming is pure love and joy and tranquility. 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:14.579 Wow. I don't know how I'm supposed to follow 00:29:14.579 --> 00:29:18.799 that one, Eric. That was really well said. I'll 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.799 say from my experience in terms of providing 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:24.690 hope, Based upon what I experienced on the other 00:29:24.690 --> 00:29:27.930 side Tim Akai's point there's nothing to be afraid 00:29:27.930 --> 00:29:30.670 of and The way that I try to approach it now 00:29:30.670 --> 00:29:33.210 on the other side of my experience is with that 00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:35.190 in mind You know the fact that there is nothing 00:29:35.190 --> 00:29:38.670 to be afraid of if we actually believe that then 00:29:38.670 --> 00:29:41.450 We're able to give ourselves permission to just 00:29:41.450 --> 00:29:44.750 live freely, you know and express ourselves and 00:29:44.750 --> 00:29:48.750 love deeply not be so afraid of whether it be 00:29:48.750 --> 00:29:52.180 death or or bills and All the things that we 00:29:52.180 --> 00:29:54.440 worry about that are so practical and so meaningful 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.920 in our day -to -day lives, they just don't matter 00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:59.940 as much as we think they do. All right. Nice 00:29:59.940 --> 00:30:02.079 job, guys. Bubba and Makai, appreciate you being 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.920 with me today. Thank you, Eric. Yeah. Thanks, 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.700 Eric. Thanks again for listening and sharing 00:30:08.700 --> 00:30:11.019 this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow 00:30:11.019 --> 00:30:13.880 or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter 00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.029 at roundtriptest .com. If you want to share your 00:30:17.029 --> 00:30:19.490 near -death experience, or if you have questions 00:30:19.490 --> 00:30:22.190 or comments about the show, send an email to 00:30:22.190 --> 00:30:25.670 eric at roundtripdeath .com. Until then, I wish 00:30:25.670 --> 00:30:27.549 you everything good that you're looking for in 00:30:27.549 --> 00:30:29.230 this life and the next.