From the time that they pronounced me that was
a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then
they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I
could see people screaming and crying But I didn't
realize that was actually my physical body because
I was somewhere else The only thing that I could
feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace
there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was
greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back
home again incredibly safe and felt at home Welcome
welcome to round trip death everybody and i'd
like to welcome our really special guest today
claudia edge who's coming to us from the salt
lake city area how are you today claudia i'm
good i'm really excited about the opportunity
to share and be on your program thanks for the
invite Well, I've had a couple of people refer
you to me, and so I can't wait to hear your story,
too. I only know a little bit about it. And I
think the title of your book that just barely
came out. Thank you for inviting me to the party,
by the way, looks really, really fascinating.
So after we talk about your NDE, we're going
to talk about all these things that are learned
through, quote, spirit school. So we'll get to
all that. plug. Shameless plug of the plug. And
there'll be a link in the show notes if anybody
wants to have a look at it. Before we jump in,
tell us just a little bit about you. Who's Claudia?
Who is Claudia? Well, I'm married with five children.
I've got 10 grandchildren. I lost my dad when
I was 16. So I have spent a lot of my life looking
for Where is he? What is he doing? You know,
I wanted I've really been an explorer of the
death realm. Basically, I've been a hospice volunteer,
an elder caregiver. When I was very young, I
experienced a lot of my mother came from nine
siblings and she was the youngest. So I went
to a lot of funerals before I was even five,
six, seven years old. And so death doesn't frighten
me, I'm inquisitive about it. When I lost my
dad, that was in 1969, I searched for reference
materials and whatever I could find, and then
Dr. Raymond Moody's work began to come out. So
I'm going into my story, so I'll pause for a
second. Okay. You warned me I was going to have
a hard time getting word in edgewise today. And
that is perfectly fine. The show is about the
guests, not about me. I just want to kind of
clarify something in case we have some new listeners
here today. Even though the word death is in
the title of this show, this show is not about
death. This show is about life and about hope
that there is something beyond death. So that's
hopefully something that we learn and are reminded
of all the time. All right, let's talk about
your story, your NDE. Take us back quite a few
years. This is a terrifying thing. You were pregnant
with child number what? Five, my last baby. What
happened? Well, I was feeling quite lightheaded
and I was waiting for my husband to get home
from work to go to the hospital just to be checked
out. Because I wasn't in active labor, you know,
they encouraged me to wait it out or walk around
the hospital and check back. But intuition is
a very powerful entity. When you get these whisperings,
it's like, go back to the desk, go back and insist
on being seen. And I did, and it wasn't just
a couple of minutes later, that what happened
was my placenta, that's an organ between mother
and child and within the womb that regulates
everything, it was accepting the flow of blood
in, but it was not, for whatever reason, it was
not exiting. so it came to a point where it could
hold no more and in front of the the nurses that
were dismissing my symptoms kind of went oh my
goodness because it was an explosion of blood
so the situation was very dire I was bleeding
out very quickly They had called my doctor and
said, Claudia is here, but don't worry about
it. She's not in active labor or anything like
that. Roll over, go back to sleep kind of thing.
So there was really, and it was about 1030 at
night. And so there wasn't a whole lot of activity
happening on that floor of the hospital. So it
took a bit to get an intern from another area
to run in who had never assisted in childbirth,
let alone an emergency seat. section, but he
came in and said, this woman's got like two minutes
left to live. And they were trying to find a
heartbeat on my child and could not. And in hearing
that death was imminent, I said, please save
my baby, focus on saving the baby, which meant
I okayed being held down, arms, legs. no anesthesia,
no comfort at all. This was surgery in the raw
and they were grabbing, even the lady that was
trying to mop so that the doctors could get close
enough to me to perform the miracles that they
were about to perform were all holding onto me.
And it was quite an exchange of a life for a
life in my mind. The pain was I can't even, I
can't find words to describe the pain. And so
I was trying my best to hold my own self still
and accept that what I was doing was saving my
baby's life. So it was quite a juxtaposition
of thought there of I want to jump off this table
running and screaming from the pain. and the
other as a mother's love, wanting to save her
child. So that was quite a little argument in
my own head at the time too. But I did, I noticed
that the room was getting, the walls of the room
had popped off. The roof popped off and the walls
were kind of becoming fluid and coming into me.
And I, after so much... study of a near -death
experience, I went, oh, I know what this is.
This is gonna form a tunnel. There was a lot
of, it's amazing, the human mind, how we can
go from one subject to the other all at the same
time. But I noticed that I was kind of going
blind. I couldn't see very well. I knew that
this was the end and my hearing became very acute.
I could hear even out in the parking lot. car
doors slamming individual conversations throughout
the hospital if I just focused. So I was entering
into I guess that in between where our senses
are heightened and whatnot. When I saw them pull
a lifeless little body from me, sorry that one's
always hard to say, I'd had enough. There had
always been this kind of tugging at the back
of my head and I relaxed into that and popped
out of the top of my head and witnessed the actions
of trying to save me. I just, I had lost interest,
you know? I wanted to explore this feeling of
perfection and not feeling pain. I wandered through
the hospital. I wandered through the first wall,
saw my husband sitting on a chair filling out
the hospital paperwork. He had his driver's license
out. I had this wave of, oh my goodness, life
is going to be so hard. I still have four little
ones at home. But there was a feeling of it's
all going to be okay. It was like I was being
released from that earthly worry. that I was
free to just, I floated about the hospital. Lots
of details that I don't want to fixate on, but
spent some time there. And then I went to a,
I was following some music. It happened to be
MASH, the television program MASH, would run
nightly at 10 .30 after the news. So I even had
a thought of, oh my goodness, it's 10 .30. And
I'm dead. I know exactly what time I died kind
of thing. So I kept my comical personality, I
guess, of just noticing those type of details.
But it was the realization that, yes, I really
was dead. And once that kind of seeped in, I
found myself in this amazing place. I was no
longer in the hospital. I was in a place of perfection
of, oh, the entirety of it was beyond, it was
infinity. And it was complete black. I couldn't
see anything. Everything in this place of perfection
was feeling. I was, I was loved. I was swaddled
and cuddled and it knew this intelligence of
this vastness people have tried to tell me it
was the void and I'm like it wasn't void of anything
it was absolute perfection and it was enormous
so vastness works for me better than void I was
so happy to be there I could have stayed there
forever but a voice chimed in and it was one
of the nurses that was calling me by name and
telling me, you've got a baby girl. You need
to come back to us. I was poopooing at going,
I saw my baby girl. I know that she was not with
us. I saw that limp little body. No amount of
encouraging me to come back was working. And
it was so irritating to be in this beautiful
place and then have this scratchy voice coming
into my ear and messing up the perfection there.
And so I looked for, well, I kept thinking, just
leave me alone, I'm fine. But it wasn't coming
through, she was still talking to me. And so
I looked for a way to use my voice. And in that
thinking of being human again and looking for
a voice, I was back in my body. So I'll tell
you now that my little baby girl did live. She's
perfect. Two miracles that night because they
brought me back as well. But it was really confusing
because I had never read about an experience
that was in complete darkness. If anyone else
had had an experience like that, they weren't
talking about it because I found that the couple
of times that I did, The reaction was more negative
than, Oh my goodness, tell me more. It was kind
of like, you know, you were in blackness and
the connotation seemed to be a negative. Like,
did I go to someplace bad? Well, again, that
mind arguing with itself, because it's like,
that was not a place that was where bad people
go or whatever. That was amazing and I could
have stayed there forever and been completely
in joy. So I didn't talk about it. Let's jump
into a few details. Okay. First of all you were
expecting to see some kind of a tunnel. Were
you surprised that you didn't? You know I've
thought about it and as it because I knew that
it was coming because the walls were forming
one and I don't know if I beat it by popping
out of my head early. You know, it's one of those,
I don't remember being in a tunnel because I
was immediately able to go through walls in the
hospital. So I might have missed the boat in
the tunnel. Well, and that's actually more typical
than you probably realize. The tunnel is this
kind of cliche thing, and some people go through
this tunnel toward the light. It's not even that
common, frankly. So many people have an experience
more like yours, where they either go up through
the roof, you know, of the hospital, or you kind
of wandered around a little bit to see what was
going on. Anyone that's not very familiar with
this kind of a medical situation, I've had a
couple of people, other people on the show that
have been through something not, I will never
say the same, but something kind of similar.
And basically you lose all of the blood in your
body. Most women don't come back from it. So
that's amazing that an intern was able to do
what needed to be done and a nurse that was intuitive
enough to call to you to bring you back. What
kind of feelings did you have for that nurse
after and did you have a chance to have a conversation
with her? You know, I didn't with the nurse.
And honestly, as you just said that, I thought,
because I, I wrote a letter of thank you to this
intern because he walked into the room with a
kind of a folder of information of how to deliver
a C -section because this had been his first.
He seemed very, very young. So I thanked him
and, and I turned. In the midst of all of it,
I turned myself over to him and just said, in
my mind, just said, he's either gonna help or
hurt or whatever, but there's nothing I can do,
and I turned everything over to him. So I did
write him a nice letter of thanks for everything
that he did, but I'm sorry now that I didn't
think of the nurse, because she was really...
instigator and bringing me back yeah she played
a role in it so ironic that you heard the mash
music because how similar is mash to that kind
of a situation is that crazy or not I think it
was because my hearing was so I mean, I could
just hear everything that it was, it just became
a forefront thing. Yeah, I followed it into a
gentleman's room. It was, it was on TV. It was
one of those where I, I was, you know, noticed
that he, he didn't see me. So I, I guess I experimented
in the, in the ghostly realm or something until
I even got down in his face and he didn't see
me. And so it was like, well, I'm done here.
I popped into the vastness. Yeah. Let's talk
about this dark place where you were. And I can
see why some people might think, oh, wow, what
kind of a place was that if it was dark? Because
we expect it to be light. Exactly. How confusing.
But that's OK. That was your experience. And
the feelings are more important than what people
see anyway. So would you go into a little bit
more detail about what you felt? Well, it's funny
as the afterword comes in and it's like, did
you see that? Oh, you missed the pinprick of
light and if you'd have noticed it, it would
have grown and gotten closer and you would have
gone into the light and all of those opinions
and suggestions. For me, as I healed, I tried
really hard to recreate that dark space. I crawled
into a corner of my room. This was months after
when I finally got to go home. It took me a few
weeks to be able to even get home and put blankets
over my head and close my eyes real tight. And
there was no recreating that space. degree of
darkness. You know, I've been asked, did you
see your body or did you have a body? I have
no idea. It was only consciousness. But that
consciousness was completely me. I was the same
Claudia when I died as before I died. So I took
everything, every memory, my personality, my
ironic humor, all of that. was with me in that
place. That place was a consciousness. It was,
I searched for earth words to explain something,
to explain something of absolute perfection and
intelligence and love. And I mean, I was, I was
so loved. I was cherished in this place. So who
wouldn't want, who would want to leave that?
Yeah, absolutely. You also used a term that I
don't know that anybody else has used, and that
is you felt swaddled. Explain that. It was a
tangible feeling that I could gather and wrap
around myself. As that voice was bothering me,
it was like I could, you know, sink into the
darkness and wrap it around me and protect me.
And I try, I physically tried, you know, to get
away from the voice in doing that. So swaddled
was just when you're holding this baby and it's,
you know, been fed and changed and it's warm
and it's in its blankies and it's been burped
and then you're just showering love on this baby.
That's exactly how I felt. I was in absolute
perfection. Beautiful description. I love that.
Thank you. Okay, what kinds of things did you
learn from this? Oh my goodness. Well, I learned
first to be careful with my words. As I've heard
on your program and other programs that, you
know, people insert an opinion and the kind of
opinion of you went to the darkness. wasn't one
that I, it wasn't a handle I wanted to carry.
You know, it was, I didn't talk about it. I expected
I would see my dad. That's what I expected as
I lay there kind of counting down those two minutes.
Well, I guess I'm going to go see my dad. Well,
I didn't see anything. I didn't hear anything
from the other side. It was just all feeling.
So there was kind of a disappointment. You know,
I'm glad I didn't die. I'm glad I got to come
back and raise my family, but to have not seen
him, there was quite a question. And even within
my mother who said, did you see dad? And it was
like, no, I saw only blackness. Well, you know,
she was very religious and, you know, that wasn't
a something that she wanted to hear either from
her child that died and went into blackness.
So it was something that I hid for a very long
time. It was about 20 years until I, and I kept
asking, please, I know there had to be something
more to my experience because I was getting flashes
of memory, but they were flashes, nothing that
I could. grab onto and grow and remember just
scenes and flashes and light and movement that
I knew was from the other side. And so I prayed
a lot. I asked for help in remembering. And it
took a very long time until I was in a dream.
This was about 20 years later. Just in a regular
dream, you know, when you go to sleep and there
was something, you know, I can only describe
it as a screen and you're watching the dream
that you're creating within your mind. But over
in the corner of that screen was something moving,
something that didn't belong within the entirety
of the dream. It was trying to pull my focus.
Well, as I finally was able to look over, It
was this kind of a fairy, but it was a man had
the three days worth of beard and hairy chest.
He was stuffed into a little tiny fairy with
a tutu and a wand. I mean, the whole thing. I'm
looking going, what is going on? He held up a
sign that said, pay attention to this. Well,
yeah, I was paying attention to this. This is
how he would come into my dreams almost on a
nightly basis, teaching me how to stay asleep,
but find my little fairy that would just take
me out of that dream was teaching me to be lucid
within in my sleep. So then he would hold up
these signs, pay attention to this or talk to
your family. The last one that he held up was
come with me. and I ended up going with him.
He took me to a place that I have termed Spirit
School. I was invited to classes within a spiritual
realm, a spiritual college with the most patient,
loving teachers. I was never a great student,
didn't like school, but this school the learning
and every step that I took, that I understood
what they were conveying. I was pulsed with so
much energy and excitement of every single thing.
Man, I got it. I got it. And this spirit school
was something that went on and on for years.
At least twice a week, I was taken to a place
and it was clearly marked before I would enter
the room, you know, like in college where you
open that hallway and the chairs are going down
to the professor in the front or whatnot. But
above the door it would say the name of the class
and that metaphors are being used here, like
those classes so that I, as a storyteller, as
you can tell, can talk talk talk but that a metaphor
was going to be used to help to aid in my understanding
of what they were trying to convey and that I
could turn that into the story or record the
story in my journals. This went on for a really
long time. Let me make sure I totally get this.
Okay. So this is different than your NDE and
it also sounds like it's different than just
a regular dream. What would you call these experiences
of going to Spirit School? Do you have a term
for it? A really good question because I ask
that of my fairy turned into my guide. He would
change costumes as it was time for him to come
and get me. He'd come in as a Texaco man or Mrs.
Doubtfire or just something funny. He would come
in to keep the mood light. Spirit School was
taught in a humorous type mood, nothing fire
and brimstone, and you need to learn this. And
I've got it off a cliff. I can't remember the
question that you asked. I wanted to answer.
Well, I just I'm not quite sure how to classify
this. It wasn't during an NDE. It wasn't a regular
dream. What was it? I asked that question myself.
I said is this from my near -death experience
as I was getting flashes of memory, right? But
I'm in a dream state and I'm being pulled into
lucidity to be lucid within a dream so my body's
asleep but my mind was very active and I didn't
know how to categorize it. either. And I asked,
I said, is this new or is this happening right
now? And there was, as there is, it's not making
fun of, but there was a joyous kind of giggling
and went, does it matter? Does it matter if it's
new? Does it matter that this is something that's
been withheld from you until the time is right?
I wish I could answer that question. I have no
category for how I got to that place and why
I was one that was being taken there, probably
because I have the gift of gab. And if you're
someone that studies scripture, there are accounts
in scripture of people receiving things in dreams.
We may call them revelations or inspiration,
but sometimes it happens in dreams. For example,
Joseph, the father of Jesus, had a dream and
knew that he needed to take his family away to
Egypt. So his son would be saved. And there are
other examples. So I don't want to classify this
as, oh, you're only having a dream. We all have
dreams. It sounds to me like it was something
more than just that. All right. Let's talk about
some of the principles that you learned in this
Spirit School. Okay. We went through a series
of, for one thing, defining Claudia. Why is Claudia
here? And one of them, and the stories are presented
in a very fun, again, joyous way. One of the
very first lessons I remembered was the check
-in of Claudia. I was shown, again in metaphor,
people in a kind of a carnival type situation,
everyday people and their children and whatnot,
and above their heads was a cluster of balloons,
colorful, beautiful balloons. And I was looking
down at this and going, this is beautiful. This
is wonderful. These people are, you know, so
joyful. And it was just such a playful scene.
And then there was kind of like, you know, the
nudge. Hey, you want to see what your balloons
look like? Sure. Yeah, I want to see my balloons.
And I was shown these, you know, lackluster floating
hanging off the string, only three left of my
cluster. One was laying on the ground, one was
just about there, and one was about the size
of a shrunken apple. I started to cry. I'd seen
these beautiful balloons of other people. Well,
mine were awful. So as I started to cry, I was
comforted. Again, this was in a playful, joyful
type things, because they're not mean and weren't
picking on me. But they do things to get the
point across so that I could remember them and
come when I woke up to record it. But the reason
my balloons looked so awful is they said, don't
cry little one. This is a good thing. When we
come into this world, we have come in with all
kinds of intentions and things that we want to
do in this life. Lessons is not a great word,
but I'll use it because it's expressive, but
we're here to learn and experience. So I had,
I was just about complete with my balloons. I
was just about ready to go home. This is how
they brought me into showing how they were going
to teach the metaphors that they would use. Don't
get it twisted, sister. This isn't exactly, nobody
is walking around with balloons on top of their
head, right? but this is the visual we are going
to use. So that was one of the first ones. They
went through and were teaching about dimensions.
I was sitting on a stage and knowing that it
was in school because there was the audience.
I don't remember any faces or anything, but I
knew there were other students there. And for
whatever reason, I had volunteered or whatever
to sit up on the stage. And there were these
spheres of I called them bubbles in the beginning
that were just rotating around me. There were
12 of them. I was encouraged to make a face or,
you know, do something funny. And when that sphere
came, I don't know, across from my face, it would
take on me doing that silly thing, poking my
tongue out or flipping my hair or giving a big
grin or something. It would be captured within
that bubble. and then it would go out of rotation
and float off. And another bubble would take
its place, and it just continued to slowly, fair
as will, rotate. I was just encouraged to keep
doing that, and it would show me that when we...
This was another thing that I had to include
in the book to show the points of how hard they
tried to... cement an idea like this because
I would have four or five to 10 classes in a
different way to go over the dimensions and how
many there are and the fact that when we are
at a crossroads in this life. say divorce, that
there's a part of you that will continue on in
that marriage and the other one that will go
off to experience different things. Those are
included in our life review, not as a centerpiece
of the life review, but those are shown, those
different choices. Okay, let's do this. I have
sort of a cheat sheet here of a list of some
of the topics that you learned about, and I want
to do kind of a lightning round, where I'm going
to throw out a topic and you tell me one or two
primary points that you learned about this topic.
Okay, ready? Here we go. Free will. Free will
is our greatest gift from God. It's our greatest
gift. Spirit guides. Spirit guides, we all have
at least one. Some have many more. I got to know
mine very well through my lucid lucid dreaming.
Extraterrestrial life. Oh my goodness, he jumped
into the deep end of the pool. Did I ever? I'm
going into the woo woo section. E .T. Yes, the
woo section is in my book. It's something I never
talked about. But I have had some experiences.
My husband hasn't read my book yet, so he doesn't
even know this. Well, hopefully he won't listen
to this podcast. Yeah, yeah, because it's back
to that fear of what will people think? And I've
written other books, but I didn't include this
because the spiritual message to me was the most
important. But what kept coming through is The
alien is spiritual, too. There are brothers and
sisters. It's important to share. It's important
right now to not fear, not enter that because
there's going to be a lot of red flags and silly
things coming across. And though there were going
to be invaded and all that, they are sorry. It
makes me want to cry because they were so kind.
The things that they showed me were amazing.
And I have nothing but love for those that I've
been gifted to meet. So ETs are real and we don't
need to be afraid. Don't be afraid, yeah. Afterlife
communication. Oh I love it. Does that mean communicating
with people who have already died? Yes. Okay,
tell me about that. Well, it started with my
youngest sister. She died of a brain aneurysm
at 56. One minute she's here and the next she's
not. I had an expectation that my little sister
would talk to me. You know, it's like, why wouldn't
she look for a way to say goodbye to her family?
Let us know she was okay because it was so instantaneous.
And knowing my sister, it was like, she's going
to... search every nook and cranny to be able
to send a message. And I expected to get one.
As I started, it was not audible. out here, but
it's an internal hearing. And, I'll add, those
type of experiences really happen when you're
doing something so nonchalant, like folding the
laundry, doing the dishes, and your mind is free.
You're not focused on a task, it's just free.
Believe when you hear something and go, huh?
Did I just hear? Acknowledge. Say that again,
or... I was blow drying my hair, I was visiting
my mom and it was hot in there so the bathroom
door was open and the hallway had pictures, a
memorial basically to my little sister. And I
was looking at the pictures and I was thinking,
you know, I said, oh, okay, you're so beautiful.
I heard her say, I'm prettier now in this joyful.
And it surprised me and yet it didn't because
I had been waiting for it. And when I tried to
share that with my mother, finished up with my
hair and said, I just heard from Kay Lynn. The
reaction was, where are you getting this? That
same opposition that can hold us back. But if
we... Enjoy what we're getting and acknowledge
what we're getting. We'll get more of it. Kind
of like if someone keeps dialing the phone and
it keeps going to voicemail and you can never
talk to your friend because they never answer
the phone. Well, you kind of stop dialing because
they never answer, right? He's kind of... stop
calling them. And this I have found in through
research and other people's experiences that
when, you know, someone isn't listening, is it
ready to listen, isn't in a place, their grief
is so strong that they're blocking out that communication.
But if you expect it and want it, they're happy
to talk to you. And my little sister and my mother
were two of my greatest teachers in afterlife
communication. How do you recognize it and know
that it's not just your own thoughts in your
own head? Well, my little sister is really good
at throwing out a term, a word, or something
that I'm not entirely familiar with that I'll
end up having to go to a Google, well, I was
going to say dictionary, but nobody uses those
anymore. I googled, you know, and says, oh, that's
what she meant. And it tied in with whatever.
I mean, as I was accepting Hearing from her,
I got all kinds of information from her, but
she'd always throw in some weird little word
or something, evidence, to prove it was real.
And you can tell those aren't your words. It's
a different vocabulary or choice of a word or
a way to say it. Even an inflection on it, isn't
it? Exactly. Just a couple more before we wrap
up. Some people with some religious backgrounds
are gonna have a little bit of a hard time with
these. It's okay pre -life planning. Oh Yes,
yes, I was gifted. This is a little bit of a
story So hang on but I have five children here
I was in the hallway before entering the course
that was choosing a body This is a big concept
here. So I was with And you haven't asked this
question yet, but I was with a member of my soul
group. Soul groups are about 12 individuals who
are in a pretty even playing field because we
help each other through our studies and lessons
and experiences. And we grow kind of like a group
in school. You know, these are your classmates.
These are your closest friends, your closest.
And so I'm standing there with one of the members
of my soul group. on absolutely equal footing
who had been slated to become my son in this
in this life and I was gifted to be able to go
into the room of choices with him to choose his
body because as his mother there had to be an
agreement of who the father could could we get
together and and make a DNA soup so that he would
be able to earn earn that body have that body
so it was a it was quite an interesting class
sorry i'm stumbling here because there are several
different lessons to kind of cement that that
experience but yeah we do get to choose we choose
our adversities when we think that it's like
life is just too hard well We picked it. We picked
it for a reason. There can always be an easing
off. There's a great, have you heard of Buddha
Betty? She has a podcast, and she picked a very
hard life. She was a prostitute and drug addict.
Is that Betty Guandano? Yes, yes. Yeah, she's
been on the show. She's awesome. I loved her
ex - explanation of making those choices of adversity
because she said, I felt like I had the shopping
cart and I was on one of those shows where you've
got a minute and a half to pick as put as many
in your shopping cart as you can get. And I went
that's some of us go to town and then we get
here because On the other side, we're all -knowing,
all -powerful, we're magnificent on the other
side, but we go through this veil of forgetfulness,
of separation, and then we're here in our thoughts
of being all alone, and now we're facing all
of these horrible things that we chose, and it's
like, why would I choose this? I got to witness
him making those choices. We all ask ourselves
those questions. And sometimes I think, OK, assuming
that really happened, but I really went through
this grocery store kind of place and chose these
really tough things that were going to happen
to me in life because of what I was going to
learn from them and everything I was going to
get from those experiences. In spite of that.
Did I really know how tough it was going to be?
I kind of don't think so. I think we were a little
bit ignorant to just how hard some of those things
were going to be. I mean, can you imagine holding
your... I'll be somebody who will starve to death.
I'm going to go to that third world country and
experience that I can't even imagine. But until
we know, I mean... You know the adversities and
that are kind of the spice of life, too You know
we go we get to go back and talk about it and
share that Experience and try to explain as I'm
trying to explain the darkness some people are
trying to explain the pain or whatnot of Starving
to death. All right, you have a whole bunch more.
I can't wait to read all about them the last
very last one I'm gonna ask you about Jesus.
What did you learn about Jesus? That's another
one that I wrestled with with talking about because
I worried about what impression it might leave
people with. I'm special enough I talk to Jesus
kind of thing. Well it's also gonna polarize
people for and against you so congratulations
on being brave enough. Yeah. Okay go ahead with
what you were saying. But the experiences, and
it's only been a few, three times, cherished
experiences, but he's our big brother. He doesn't
want to be worshipped. In fact, a story in my
book of how I thought if and when I ever met
Jesus on the other side, wasn't expecting to
hear, that I would kneel and touch the hem of
his garment. That was something that was taught
as far as respect and love for Jesus, the man,
the man that hangs on the wall at church. But
he's our brother. He's my big brother that I
can climb into his lap and feel the big brother.
Playfulness and love and watchfulness over me
as I play. He doesn't want to be worshipped.
He asked me to stand. He did not want me to worship
him. He asked me to stand and walk with him as
a fellow teacher and a friend. So this is how
I treat Jesus now. I don't worship him. I know
that I know him. I know him with my heart and
my soul. He's very real, but he's not the one
of the words that bother me is lord over us type
thing. He's our loving, loving big brother and
he loves every one of us. So yeah, I cry every
time. I can't help it. That's what I was left
with is the intensity of that love, that feeling.
My earth body can't handle that much of that
feeling. that I got from Jesus. Claudia, thank
you so much for sharing all this with us today.
Thank you for having me. It's been a fun conversation.
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