WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.070 greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back 00:00:33.070 --> 00:00:39.590 home again incredibly safe and felt at home Welcome 00:00:39.590 --> 00:00:41.590 welcome to round trip death everybody and i'd 00:00:41.590 --> 00:00:44.390 like to welcome our really special guest today 00:00:44.390 --> 00:00:48.350 claudia edge who's coming to us from the salt 00:00:48.350 --> 00:00:51.469 lake city area how are you today claudia i'm 00:00:51.469 --> 00:00:54.189 good i'm really excited about the opportunity 00:00:54.189 --> 00:00:57.289 to share and be on your program thanks for the 00:00:57.289 --> 00:01:00.240 invite Well, I've had a couple of people refer 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:02.899 you to me, and so I can't wait to hear your story, 00:01:03.140 --> 00:01:07.319 too. I only know a little bit about it. And I 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.260 think the title of your book that just barely 00:01:10.260 --> 00:01:12.879 came out. Thank you for inviting me to the party, 00:01:12.900 --> 00:01:16.200 by the way, looks really, really fascinating. 00:01:16.299 --> 00:01:18.540 So after we talk about your NDE, we're going 00:01:18.540 --> 00:01:22.340 to talk about all these things that are learned 00:01:22.340 --> 00:01:26.159 through, quote, spirit school. So we'll get to 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:31.810 all that. plug. Shameless plug of the plug. And 00:01:31.810 --> 00:01:34.030 there'll be a link in the show notes if anybody 00:01:34.030 --> 00:01:37.609 wants to have a look at it. Before we jump in, 00:01:37.709 --> 00:01:39.870 tell us just a little bit about you. Who's Claudia? 00:01:40.730 --> 00:01:46.349 Who is Claudia? Well, I'm married with five children. 00:01:46.370 --> 00:01:50.349 I've got 10 grandchildren. I lost my dad when 00:01:50.349 --> 00:01:55.590 I was 16. So I have spent a lot of my life looking 00:01:55.590 --> 00:01:59.439 for Where is he? What is he doing? You know, 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:03.159 I wanted I've really been an explorer of the 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:07.500 death realm. Basically, I've been a hospice volunteer, 00:02:07.980 --> 00:02:12.800 an elder caregiver. When I was very young, I 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:16.419 experienced a lot of my mother came from nine 00:02:16.419 --> 00:02:20.060 siblings and she was the youngest. So I went 00:02:20.060 --> 00:02:22.639 to a lot of funerals before I was even five, 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:27.780 six, seven years old. And so death doesn't frighten 00:02:27.780 --> 00:02:32.379 me, I'm inquisitive about it. When I lost my 00:02:32.379 --> 00:02:38.740 dad, that was in 1969, I searched for reference 00:02:38.740 --> 00:02:41.780 materials and whatever I could find, and then 00:02:41.780 --> 00:02:46.479 Dr. Raymond Moody's work began to come out. So 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:49.680 I'm going into my story, so I'll pause for a 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:54.520 second. Okay. You warned me I was going to have 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:59.319 a hard time getting word in edgewise today. And 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:02.599 that is perfectly fine. The show is about the 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:05.319 guests, not about me. I just want to kind of 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:07.680 clarify something in case we have some new listeners 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:12.539 here today. Even though the word death is in 00:03:12.539 --> 00:03:14.939 the title of this show, this show is not about 00:03:14.939 --> 00:03:18.740 death. This show is about life and about hope 00:03:18.740 --> 00:03:23.099 that there is something beyond death. So that's 00:03:23.099 --> 00:03:25.479 hopefully something that we learn and are reminded 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:28.800 of all the time. All right, let's talk about 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:32.759 your story, your NDE. Take us back quite a few 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:37.460 years. This is a terrifying thing. You were pregnant 00:03:37.460 --> 00:03:42.039 with child number what? Five, my last baby. What 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:46.930 happened? Well, I was feeling quite lightheaded 00:03:46.930 --> 00:03:49.169 and I was waiting for my husband to get home 00:03:49.169 --> 00:03:51.729 from work to go to the hospital just to be checked 00:03:51.729 --> 00:03:55.729 out. Because I wasn't in active labor, you know, 00:03:55.750 --> 00:03:58.990 they encouraged me to wait it out or walk around 00:03:58.990 --> 00:04:03.009 the hospital and check back. But intuition is 00:04:03.009 --> 00:04:07.840 a very powerful entity. When you get these whisperings, 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.939 it's like, go back to the desk, go back and insist 00:04:10.939 --> 00:04:14.500 on being seen. And I did, and it wasn't just 00:04:14.500 --> 00:04:18.079 a couple of minutes later, that what happened 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:22.480 was my placenta, that's an organ between mother 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.600 and child and within the womb that regulates 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:29.620 everything, it was accepting the flow of blood 00:04:29.620 --> 00:04:32.259 in, but it was not, for whatever reason, it was 00:04:32.259 --> 00:04:36.660 not exiting. so it came to a point where it could 00:04:36.660 --> 00:04:41.040 hold no more and in front of the the nurses that 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:45.779 were dismissing my symptoms kind of went oh my 00:04:45.779 --> 00:04:49.620 goodness because it was an explosion of blood 00:04:49.620 --> 00:04:53.519 so the situation was very dire I was bleeding 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.420 out very quickly They had called my doctor and 00:04:57.420 --> 00:05:00.339 said, Claudia is here, but don't worry about 00:05:00.339 --> 00:05:02.720 it. She's not in active labor or anything like 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.199 that. Roll over, go back to sleep kind of thing. 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:08.579 So there was really, and it was about 1030 at 00:05:08.579 --> 00:05:11.759 night. And so there wasn't a whole lot of activity 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.220 happening on that floor of the hospital. So it 00:05:15.220 --> 00:05:18.740 took a bit to get an intern from another area 00:05:18.740 --> 00:05:22.759 to run in who had never assisted in childbirth, 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:27.439 let alone an emergency seat. section, but he 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.079 came in and said, this woman's got like two minutes 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:33.480 left to live. And they were trying to find a 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:38.240 heartbeat on my child and could not. And in hearing 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:42.420 that death was imminent, I said, please save 00:05:42.420 --> 00:05:46.439 my baby, focus on saving the baby, which meant 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:52.639 I okayed being held down, arms, legs. no anesthesia, 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:56.920 no comfort at all. This was surgery in the raw 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.660 and they were grabbing, even the lady that was 00:06:00.660 --> 00:06:03.319 trying to mop so that the doctors could get close 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:06.560 enough to me to perform the miracles that they 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:10.560 were about to perform were all holding onto me. 00:06:11.060 --> 00:06:15.720 And it was quite an exchange of a life for a 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:22.480 life in my mind. The pain was I can't even, I 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:26.160 can't find words to describe the pain. And so 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:30.060 I was trying my best to hold my own self still 00:06:30.060 --> 00:06:33.879 and accept that what I was doing was saving my 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.720 baby's life. So it was quite a juxtaposition 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:40.939 of thought there of I want to jump off this table 00:06:40.939 --> 00:06:44.389 running and screaming from the pain. and the 00:06:44.389 --> 00:06:47.709 other as a mother's love, wanting to save her 00:06:47.709 --> 00:06:51.149 child. So that was quite a little argument in 00:06:51.149 --> 00:06:55.850 my own head at the time too. But I did, I noticed 00:06:55.850 --> 00:06:59.069 that the room was getting, the walls of the room 00:06:59.069 --> 00:07:02.629 had popped off. The roof popped off and the walls 00:07:02.629 --> 00:07:06.589 were kind of becoming fluid and coming into me. 00:07:06.610 --> 00:07:10.759 And I, after so much... study of a near -death 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:13.660 experience, I went, oh, I know what this is. 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:17.560 This is gonna form a tunnel. There was a lot 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.939 of, it's amazing, the human mind, how we can 00:07:20.939 --> 00:07:24.620 go from one subject to the other all at the same 00:07:24.620 --> 00:07:28.759 time. But I noticed that I was kind of going 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:31.939 blind. I couldn't see very well. I knew that 00:07:31.939 --> 00:07:35.920 this was the end and my hearing became very acute. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:38.910 I could hear even out in the parking lot. car 00:07:38.910 --> 00:07:42.329 doors slamming individual conversations throughout 00:07:42.329 --> 00:07:46.310 the hospital if I just focused. So I was entering 00:07:46.310 --> 00:07:50.649 into I guess that in between where our senses 00:07:50.649 --> 00:07:54.370 are heightened and whatnot. When I saw them pull 00:07:54.370 --> 00:07:57.889 a lifeless little body from me, sorry that one's 00:07:57.889 --> 00:08:02.509 always hard to say, I'd had enough. There had 00:08:02.509 --> 00:08:04.410 always been this kind of tugging at the back 00:08:04.410 --> 00:08:08.629 of my head and I relaxed into that and popped 00:08:08.629 --> 00:08:13.810 out of the top of my head and witnessed the actions 00:08:13.810 --> 00:08:19.550 of trying to save me. I just, I had lost interest, 00:08:19.550 --> 00:08:24.810 you know? I wanted to explore this feeling of 00:08:24.810 --> 00:08:29.519 perfection and not feeling pain. I wandered through 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:31.939 the hospital. I wandered through the first wall, 00:08:32.259 --> 00:08:35.100 saw my husband sitting on a chair filling out 00:08:35.100 --> 00:08:38.600 the hospital paperwork. He had his driver's license 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:42.379 out. I had this wave of, oh my goodness, life 00:08:42.379 --> 00:08:45.279 is going to be so hard. I still have four little 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:49.679 ones at home. But there was a feeling of it's 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:52.620 all going to be okay. It was like I was being 00:08:52.620 --> 00:08:56.750 released from that earthly worry. that I was 00:08:56.750 --> 00:09:00.009 free to just, I floated about the hospital. Lots 00:09:00.009 --> 00:09:03.769 of details that I don't want to fixate on, but 00:09:03.769 --> 00:09:07.429 spent some time there. And then I went to a, 00:09:07.710 --> 00:09:10.990 I was following some music. It happened to be 00:09:10.990 --> 00:09:15.049 MASH, the television program MASH, would run 00:09:15.049 --> 00:09:19.110 nightly at 10 .30 after the news. So I even had 00:09:19.110 --> 00:09:23.639 a thought of, oh my goodness, it's 10 .30. And 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:26.899 I'm dead. I know exactly what time I died kind 00:09:26.899 --> 00:09:31.559 of thing. So I kept my comical personality, I 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.059 guess, of just noticing those type of details. 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.480 But it was the realization that, yes, I really 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:44.220 was dead. And once that kind of seeped in, I 00:09:44.220 --> 00:09:48.539 found myself in this amazing place. I was no 00:09:48.539 --> 00:09:53.139 longer in the hospital. I was in a place of perfection 00:09:53.139 --> 00:09:58.779 of, oh, the entirety of it was beyond, it was 00:09:58.779 --> 00:10:02.879 infinity. And it was complete black. I couldn't 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:07.120 see anything. Everything in this place of perfection 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:14.399 was feeling. I was, I was loved. I was swaddled 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:20.230 and cuddled and it knew this intelligence of 00:10:20.230 --> 00:10:24.309 this vastness people have tried to tell me it 00:10:24.309 --> 00:10:27.889 was the void and I'm like it wasn't void of anything 00:10:27.889 --> 00:10:32.070 it was absolute perfection and it was enormous 00:10:32.070 --> 00:10:36.149 so vastness works for me better than void I was 00:10:36.149 --> 00:10:39.970 so happy to be there I could have stayed there 00:10:39.970 --> 00:10:45.440 forever but a voice chimed in and it was one 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.779 of the nurses that was calling me by name and 00:10:48.779 --> 00:10:51.539 telling me, you've got a baby girl. You need 00:10:51.539 --> 00:10:55.159 to come back to us. I was poopooing at going, 00:10:55.580 --> 00:11:00.080 I saw my baby girl. I know that she was not with 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.980 us. I saw that limp little body. No amount of 00:11:03.980 --> 00:11:07.639 encouraging me to come back was working. And 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:11.740 it was so irritating to be in this beautiful 00:11:11.740 --> 00:11:15.279 place and then have this scratchy voice coming 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:19.480 into my ear and messing up the perfection there. 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.100 And so I looked for, well, I kept thinking, just 00:11:24.100 --> 00:11:28.019 leave me alone, I'm fine. But it wasn't coming 00:11:28.019 --> 00:11:31.059 through, she was still talking to me. And so 00:11:31.059 --> 00:11:36.500 I looked for a way to use my voice. And in that 00:11:36.500 --> 00:11:39.460 thinking of being human again and looking for 00:11:39.460 --> 00:11:43.799 a voice, I was back in my body. So I'll tell 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.600 you now that my little baby girl did live. She's 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:49.960 perfect. Two miracles that night because they 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:54.519 brought me back as well. But it was really confusing 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:57.960 because I had never read about an experience 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:01.299 that was in complete darkness. If anyone else 00:12:01.299 --> 00:12:03.720 had had an experience like that, they weren't 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.879 talking about it because I found that the couple 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:11.740 of times that I did, The reaction was more negative 00:12:11.740 --> 00:12:14.720 than, Oh my goodness, tell me more. It was kind 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:18.159 of like, you know, you were in blackness and 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:21.899 the connotation seemed to be a negative. Like, 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:25.500 did I go to someplace bad? Well, again, that 00:12:25.500 --> 00:12:27.980 mind arguing with itself, because it's like, 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.519 that was not a place that was where bad people 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.360 go or whatever. That was amazing and I could 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:38.460 have stayed there forever and been completely 00:12:38.460 --> 00:12:42.840 in joy. So I didn't talk about it. Let's jump 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:46.799 into a few details. Okay. First of all you were 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:49.240 expecting to see some kind of a tunnel. Were 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.779 you surprised that you didn't? You know I've 00:12:51.779 --> 00:12:54.320 thought about it and as it because I knew that 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.639 it was coming because the walls were forming 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:00.190 one and I don't know if I beat it by popping 00:13:00.190 --> 00:13:04.730 out of my head early. You know, it's one of those, 00:13:04.750 --> 00:13:07.269 I don't remember being in a tunnel because I 00:13:07.269 --> 00:13:10.750 was immediately able to go through walls in the 00:13:10.750 --> 00:13:13.990 hospital. So I might have missed the boat in 00:13:13.990 --> 00:13:18.009 the tunnel. Well, and that's actually more typical 00:13:18.009 --> 00:13:22.429 than you probably realize. The tunnel is this 00:13:22.429 --> 00:13:24.610 kind of cliche thing, and some people go through 00:13:24.610 --> 00:13:28.279 this tunnel toward the light. It's not even that 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:31.500 common, frankly. So many people have an experience 00:13:31.500 --> 00:13:34.320 more like yours, where they either go up through 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:38.059 the roof, you know, of the hospital, or you kind 00:13:38.059 --> 00:13:40.659 of wandered around a little bit to see what was 00:13:40.659 --> 00:13:43.399 going on. Anyone that's not very familiar with 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.320 this kind of a medical situation, I've had a 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:48.460 couple of people, other people on the show that 00:13:48.460 --> 00:13:51.759 have been through something not, I will never 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:53.919 say the same, but something kind of similar. 00:13:54.509 --> 00:13:57.950 And basically you lose all of the blood in your 00:13:57.950 --> 00:14:01.950 body. Most women don't come back from it. So 00:14:01.950 --> 00:14:04.669 that's amazing that an intern was able to do 00:14:04.669 --> 00:14:09.350 what needed to be done and a nurse that was intuitive 00:14:09.350 --> 00:14:14.549 enough to call to you to bring you back. What 00:14:14.549 --> 00:14:17.289 kind of feelings did you have for that nurse 00:14:17.289 --> 00:14:20.149 after and did you have a chance to have a conversation 00:14:20.149 --> 00:14:23.139 with her? You know, I didn't with the nurse. 00:14:23.659 --> 00:14:26.299 And honestly, as you just said that, I thought, 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:30.139 because I, I wrote a letter of thank you to this 00:14:30.139 --> 00:14:33.919 intern because he walked into the room with a 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:38.500 kind of a folder of information of how to deliver 00:14:38.500 --> 00:14:41.799 a C -section because this had been his first. 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.440 He seemed very, very young. So I thanked him 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:48.820 and, and I turned. In the midst of all of it, 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:53.080 I turned myself over to him and just said, in 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:58.019 my mind, just said, he's either gonna help or 00:14:58.019 --> 00:15:00.919 hurt or whatever, but there's nothing I can do, 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:03.700 and I turned everything over to him. So I did 00:15:03.700 --> 00:15:07.500 write him a nice letter of thanks for everything 00:15:07.500 --> 00:15:10.259 that he did, but I'm sorry now that I didn't 00:15:10.259 --> 00:15:13.299 think of the nurse, because she was really... 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:17.320 instigator and bringing me back yeah she played 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:20.899 a role in it so ironic that you heard the mash 00:15:20.899 --> 00:15:24.379 music because how similar is mash to that kind 00:15:24.379 --> 00:15:28.120 of a situation is that crazy or not I think it 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:33.080 was because my hearing was so I mean, I could 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.600 just hear everything that it was, it just became 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.039 a forefront thing. Yeah, I followed it into a 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:42.600 gentleman's room. It was, it was on TV. It was 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.320 one of those where I, I was, you know, noticed 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:49.679 that he, he didn't see me. So I, I guess I experimented 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:52.399 in the, in the ghostly realm or something until 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.860 I even got down in his face and he didn't see 00:15:56.860 --> 00:15:59.759 me. And so it was like, well, I'm done here. 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:02.980 I popped into the vastness. Yeah. Let's talk 00:16:02.980 --> 00:16:06.500 about this dark place where you were. And I can 00:16:06.500 --> 00:16:11.340 see why some people might think, oh, wow, what 00:16:11.340 --> 00:16:13.600 kind of a place was that if it was dark? Because 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:18.620 we expect it to be light. Exactly. How confusing. 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:23.440 But that's OK. That was your experience. And 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:26.240 the feelings are more important than what people 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:29.120 see anyway. So would you go into a little bit 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:33.649 more detail about what you felt? Well, it's funny 00:16:33.649 --> 00:16:37.350 as the afterword comes in and it's like, did 00:16:37.350 --> 00:16:39.730 you see that? Oh, you missed the pinprick of 00:16:39.730 --> 00:16:41.870 light and if you'd have noticed it, it would 00:16:41.870 --> 00:16:44.169 have grown and gotten closer and you would have 00:16:44.169 --> 00:16:47.250 gone into the light and all of those opinions 00:16:47.250 --> 00:16:52.690 and suggestions. For me, as I healed, I tried 00:16:52.690 --> 00:16:57.629 really hard to recreate that dark space. I crawled 00:16:57.629 --> 00:17:01.690 into a corner of my room. This was months after 00:17:01.690 --> 00:17:04.349 when I finally got to go home. It took me a few 00:17:04.349 --> 00:17:08.029 weeks to be able to even get home and put blankets 00:17:08.029 --> 00:17:12.730 over my head and close my eyes real tight. And 00:17:12.730 --> 00:17:18.640 there was no recreating that space. degree of 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:21.619 darkness. You know, I've been asked, did you 00:17:21.619 --> 00:17:25.619 see your body or did you have a body? I have 00:17:25.619 --> 00:17:29.700 no idea. It was only consciousness. But that 00:17:29.700 --> 00:17:33.880 consciousness was completely me. I was the same 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:38.359 Claudia when I died as before I died. So I took 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:42.420 everything, every memory, my personality, my 00:17:42.420 --> 00:17:46.849 ironic humor, all of that. was with me in that 00:17:46.849 --> 00:17:52.349 place. That place was a consciousness. It was, 00:17:52.490 --> 00:17:56.390 I searched for earth words to explain something, 00:17:56.789 --> 00:18:01.109 to explain something of absolute perfection and 00:18:01.109 --> 00:18:05.750 intelligence and love. And I mean, I was, I was 00:18:05.750 --> 00:18:10.170 so loved. I was cherished in this place. So who 00:18:10.170 --> 00:18:12.089 wouldn't want, who would want to leave that? 00:18:12.190 --> 00:18:16.480 Yeah, absolutely. You also used a term that I 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.259 don't know that anybody else has used, and that 00:18:19.259 --> 00:18:23.980 is you felt swaddled. Explain that. It was a 00:18:23.980 --> 00:18:29.779 tangible feeling that I could gather and wrap 00:18:29.779 --> 00:18:33.420 around myself. As that voice was bothering me, 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:36.940 it was like I could, you know, sink into the 00:18:36.940 --> 00:18:40.460 darkness and wrap it around me and protect me. 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.019 And I try, I physically tried, you know, to get 00:18:44.019 --> 00:18:47.119 away from the voice in doing that. So swaddled 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:51.119 was just when you're holding this baby and it's, 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:54.380 you know, been fed and changed and it's warm 00:18:54.380 --> 00:18:56.880 and it's in its blankies and it's been burped 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.839 and then you're just showering love on this baby. 00:19:01.259 --> 00:19:04.599 That's exactly how I felt. I was in absolute 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.920 perfection. Beautiful description. I love that. 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.579 Thank you. Okay, what kinds of things did you 00:19:10.579 --> 00:19:14.319 learn from this? Oh my goodness. Well, I learned 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:17.500 first to be careful with my words. As I've heard 00:19:17.500 --> 00:19:20.599 on your program and other programs that, you 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:24.559 know, people insert an opinion and the kind of 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:28.619 opinion of you went to the darkness. wasn't one 00:19:28.619 --> 00:19:31.059 that I, it wasn't a handle I wanted to carry. 00:19:31.619 --> 00:19:35.259 You know, it was, I didn't talk about it. I expected 00:19:35.259 --> 00:19:37.960 I would see my dad. That's what I expected as 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.339 I lay there kind of counting down those two minutes. 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:44.880 Well, I guess I'm going to go see my dad. Well, 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:47.859 I didn't see anything. I didn't hear anything 00:19:47.859 --> 00:19:51.460 from the other side. It was just all feeling. 00:19:52.099 --> 00:19:55.230 So there was kind of a disappointment. You know, 00:19:55.269 --> 00:19:57.569 I'm glad I didn't die. I'm glad I got to come 00:19:57.569 --> 00:20:00.549 back and raise my family, but to have not seen 00:20:00.549 --> 00:20:02.890 him, there was quite a question. And even within 00:20:02.890 --> 00:20:06.170 my mother who said, did you see dad? And it was 00:20:06.170 --> 00:20:09.910 like, no, I saw only blackness. Well, you know, 00:20:09.990 --> 00:20:13.569 she was very religious and, you know, that wasn't 00:20:13.569 --> 00:20:16.180 a something that she wanted to hear either from 00:20:16.180 --> 00:20:19.019 her child that died and went into blackness. 00:20:19.099 --> 00:20:23.200 So it was something that I hid for a very long 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:27.440 time. It was about 20 years until I, and I kept 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.680 asking, please, I know there had to be something 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:34.599 more to my experience because I was getting flashes 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.819 of memory, but they were flashes, nothing that 00:20:37.819 --> 00:20:42.490 I could. grab onto and grow and remember just 00:20:42.490 --> 00:20:46.910 scenes and flashes and light and movement that 00:20:46.910 --> 00:20:50.329 I knew was from the other side. And so I prayed 00:20:50.329 --> 00:20:55.809 a lot. I asked for help in remembering. And it 00:20:55.809 --> 00:21:01.029 took a very long time until I was in a dream. 00:21:01.450 --> 00:21:04.670 This was about 20 years later. Just in a regular 00:21:04.670 --> 00:21:07.329 dream, you know, when you go to sleep and there 00:21:07.329 --> 00:21:10.309 was something, you know, I can only describe 00:21:10.309 --> 00:21:15.190 it as a screen and you're watching the dream 00:21:15.190 --> 00:21:18.190 that you're creating within your mind. But over 00:21:18.190 --> 00:21:21.349 in the corner of that screen was something moving, 00:21:21.410 --> 00:21:24.410 something that didn't belong within the entirety 00:21:24.410 --> 00:21:27.490 of the dream. It was trying to pull my focus. 00:21:27.990 --> 00:21:32.900 Well, as I finally was able to look over, It 00:21:32.900 --> 00:21:39.140 was this kind of a fairy, but it was a man had 00:21:39.140 --> 00:21:43.119 the three days worth of beard and hairy chest. 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:46.380 He was stuffed into a little tiny fairy with 00:21:46.380 --> 00:21:50.500 a tutu and a wand. I mean, the whole thing. I'm 00:21:50.500 --> 00:21:53.880 looking going, what is going on? He held up a 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:56.920 sign that said, pay attention to this. Well, 00:21:57.180 --> 00:22:01.029 yeah, I was paying attention to this. This is 00:22:01.029 --> 00:22:04.309 how he would come into my dreams almost on a 00:22:04.309 --> 00:22:08.349 nightly basis, teaching me how to stay asleep, 00:22:08.670 --> 00:22:12.769 but find my little fairy that would just take 00:22:12.769 --> 00:22:16.750 me out of that dream was teaching me to be lucid 00:22:16.750 --> 00:22:20.049 within in my sleep. So then he would hold up 00:22:20.049 --> 00:22:23.250 these signs, pay attention to this or talk to 00:22:23.250 --> 00:22:27.230 your family. The last one that he held up was 00:22:27.230 --> 00:22:31.420 come with me. and I ended up going with him. 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:34.960 He took me to a place that I have termed Spirit 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:40.240 School. I was invited to classes within a spiritual 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:45.039 realm, a spiritual college with the most patient, 00:22:45.779 --> 00:22:48.559 loving teachers. I was never a great student, 00:22:48.940 --> 00:22:53.049 didn't like school, but this school the learning 00:22:53.049 --> 00:22:57.089 and every step that I took, that I understood 00:22:57.089 --> 00:23:00.809 what they were conveying. I was pulsed with so 00:23:00.809 --> 00:23:04.029 much energy and excitement of every single thing. 00:23:04.490 --> 00:23:09.190 Man, I got it. I got it. And this spirit school 00:23:09.190 --> 00:23:12.650 was something that went on and on for years. 00:23:12.990 --> 00:23:16.849 At least twice a week, I was taken to a place 00:23:16.849 --> 00:23:20.309 and it was clearly marked before I would enter 00:23:20.309 --> 00:23:23.470 the room, you know, like in college where you 00:23:23.470 --> 00:23:27.269 open that hallway and the chairs are going down 00:23:27.269 --> 00:23:30.869 to the professor in the front or whatnot. But 00:23:30.869 --> 00:23:34.230 above the door it would say the name of the class 00:23:34.230 --> 00:23:38.910 and that metaphors are being used here, like 00:23:38.910 --> 00:23:42.410 those classes so that I, as a storyteller, as 00:23:42.410 --> 00:23:47.220 you can tell, can talk talk talk but that a metaphor 00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:51.299 was going to be used to help to aid in my understanding 00:23:51.299 --> 00:23:54.619 of what they were trying to convey and that I 00:23:54.619 --> 00:23:58.299 could turn that into the story or record the 00:23:58.299 --> 00:24:01.339 story in my journals. This went on for a really 00:24:01.339 --> 00:24:04.559 long time. Let me make sure I totally get this. 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:08.339 Okay. So this is different than your NDE and 00:24:08.339 --> 00:24:10.200 it also sounds like it's different than just 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:13.839 a regular dream. What would you call these experiences 00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:16.039 of going to Spirit School? Do you have a term 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:19.200 for it? A really good question because I ask 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:23.180 that of my fairy turned into my guide. He would 00:24:23.180 --> 00:24:26.680 change costumes as it was time for him to come 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:31.119 and get me. He'd come in as a Texaco man or Mrs. 00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:34.980 Doubtfire or just something funny. He would come 00:24:34.980 --> 00:24:39.500 in to keep the mood light. Spirit School was 00:24:39.500 --> 00:24:44.009 taught in a humorous type mood, nothing fire 00:24:44.009 --> 00:24:47.349 and brimstone, and you need to learn this. And 00:24:47.349 --> 00:24:49.650 I've got it off a cliff. I can't remember the 00:24:49.650 --> 00:24:51.869 question that you asked. I wanted to answer. 00:24:52.450 --> 00:24:56.009 Well, I just I'm not quite sure how to classify 00:24:56.009 --> 00:25:00.680 this. It wasn't during an NDE. It wasn't a regular 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:05.019 dream. What was it? I asked that question myself. 00:25:05.299 --> 00:25:08.079 I said is this from my near -death experience 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:11.400 as I was getting flashes of memory, right? But 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.259 I'm in a dream state and I'm being pulled into 00:25:14.259 --> 00:25:18.500 lucidity to be lucid within a dream so my body's 00:25:18.500 --> 00:25:22.680 asleep but my mind was very active and I didn't 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:26.880 know how to categorize it. either. And I asked, 00:25:27.140 --> 00:25:30.240 I said, is this new or is this happening right 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:34.220 now? And there was, as there is, it's not making 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:37.079 fun of, but there was a joyous kind of giggling 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.759 and went, does it matter? Does it matter if it's 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.079 new? Does it matter that this is something that's 00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:45.960 been withheld from you until the time is right? 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.079 I wish I could answer that question. I have no 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:53.180 category for how I got to that place and why 00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:56.730 I was one that was being taken there, probably 00:25:56.730 --> 00:25:59.569 because I have the gift of gab. And if you're 00:25:59.569 --> 00:26:03.170 someone that studies scripture, there are accounts 00:26:03.170 --> 00:26:07.470 in scripture of people receiving things in dreams. 00:26:07.829 --> 00:26:11.130 We may call them revelations or inspiration, 00:26:11.130 --> 00:26:15.849 but sometimes it happens in dreams. For example, 00:26:16.089 --> 00:26:20.170 Joseph, the father of Jesus, had a dream and 00:26:20.170 --> 00:26:23.170 knew that he needed to take his family away to 00:26:23.170 --> 00:26:26.710 Egypt. So his son would be saved. And there are 00:26:26.710 --> 00:26:30.190 other examples. So I don't want to classify this 00:26:30.190 --> 00:26:33.329 as, oh, you're only having a dream. We all have 00:26:33.329 --> 00:26:36.529 dreams. It sounds to me like it was something 00:26:36.529 --> 00:26:39.869 more than just that. All right. Let's talk about 00:26:39.869 --> 00:26:42.289 some of the principles that you learned in this 00:26:42.289 --> 00:26:45.890 Spirit School. Okay. We went through a series 00:26:45.890 --> 00:26:50.960 of, for one thing, defining Claudia. Why is Claudia 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.980 here? And one of them, and the stories are presented 00:26:54.980 --> 00:26:58.339 in a very fun, again, joyous way. One of the 00:26:58.339 --> 00:27:01.799 very first lessons I remembered was the check 00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:06.519 -in of Claudia. I was shown, again in metaphor, 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.500 people in a kind of a carnival type situation, 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.380 everyday people and their children and whatnot, 00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:17.660 and above their heads was a cluster of balloons, 00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:20.740 colorful, beautiful balloons. And I was looking 00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:24.599 down at this and going, this is beautiful. This 00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.420 is wonderful. These people are, you know, so 00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:30.019 joyful. And it was just such a playful scene. 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:32.480 And then there was kind of like, you know, the 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.779 nudge. Hey, you want to see what your balloons 00:27:34.779 --> 00:27:38.539 look like? Sure. Yeah, I want to see my balloons. 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:43.519 And I was shown these, you know, lackluster floating 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:47.079 hanging off the string, only three left of my 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.420 cluster. One was laying on the ground, one was 00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:51.500 just about there, and one was about the size 00:27:51.500 --> 00:27:55.799 of a shrunken apple. I started to cry. I'd seen 00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.700 these beautiful balloons of other people. Well, 00:27:58.900 --> 00:28:02.319 mine were awful. So as I started to cry, I was 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:06.319 comforted. Again, this was in a playful, joyful 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.779 type things, because they're not mean and weren't 00:28:09.779 --> 00:28:13.200 picking on me. But they do things to get the 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.839 point across so that I could remember them and 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.559 come when I woke up to record it. But the reason 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:22.700 my balloons looked so awful is they said, don't 00:28:22.700 --> 00:28:26.400 cry little one. This is a good thing. When we 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.460 come into this world, we have come in with all 00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:33.099 kinds of intentions and things that we want to 00:28:33.099 --> 00:28:36.799 do in this life. Lessons is not a great word, 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.619 but I'll use it because it's expressive, but 00:28:39.619 --> 00:28:44.859 we're here to learn and experience. So I had, 00:28:44.980 --> 00:28:47.980 I was just about complete with my balloons. I 00:28:47.980 --> 00:28:51.539 was just about ready to go home. This is how 00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:55.220 they brought me into showing how they were going 00:28:55.220 --> 00:28:58.519 to teach the metaphors that they would use. Don't 00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:01.299 get it twisted, sister. This isn't exactly, nobody 00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:03.619 is walking around with balloons on top of their 00:29:03.619 --> 00:29:06.700 head, right? but this is the visual we are going 00:29:06.700 --> 00:29:10.579 to use. So that was one of the first ones. They 00:29:10.579 --> 00:29:14.660 went through and were teaching about dimensions. 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.980 I was sitting on a stage and knowing that it 00:29:18.980 --> 00:29:21.279 was in school because there was the audience. 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:24.480 I don't remember any faces or anything, but I 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:26.720 knew there were other students there. And for 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.319 whatever reason, I had volunteered or whatever 00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.640 to sit up on the stage. And there were these 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:36.480 spheres of I called them bubbles in the beginning 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.619 that were just rotating around me. There were 00:29:39.619 --> 00:29:44.160 12 of them. I was encouraged to make a face or, 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:48.059 you know, do something funny. And when that sphere 00:29:48.059 --> 00:29:51.319 came, I don't know, across from my face, it would 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:55.119 take on me doing that silly thing, poking my 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:59.059 tongue out or flipping my hair or giving a big 00:29:59.059 --> 00:30:02.039 grin or something. It would be captured within 00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:06.559 that bubble. and then it would go out of rotation 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.960 and float off. And another bubble would take 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:13.539 its place, and it just continued to slowly, fair 00:30:13.539 --> 00:30:17.019 as will, rotate. I was just encouraged to keep 00:30:17.019 --> 00:30:20.819 doing that, and it would show me that when we... 00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:23.160 This was another thing that I had to include 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:27.400 in the book to show the points of how hard they 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:31.519 tried to... cement an idea like this because 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.880 I would have four or five to 10 classes in a 00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.279 different way to go over the dimensions and how 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:43.660 many there are and the fact that when we are 00:30:43.660 --> 00:30:47.960 at a crossroads in this life. say divorce, that 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:51.720 there's a part of you that will continue on in 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.900 that marriage and the other one that will go 00:30:53.900 --> 00:30:57.900 off to experience different things. Those are 00:30:57.900 --> 00:31:01.559 included in our life review, not as a centerpiece 00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:05.799 of the life review, but those are shown, those 00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.099 different choices. Okay, let's do this. I have 00:31:09.099 --> 00:31:11.900 sort of a cheat sheet here of a list of some 00:31:11.900 --> 00:31:14.380 of the topics that you learned about, and I want 00:31:14.380 --> 00:31:17.019 to do kind of a lightning round, where I'm going 00:31:17.019 --> 00:31:19.900 to throw out a topic and you tell me one or two 00:31:19.900 --> 00:31:22.380 primary points that you learned about this topic. 00:31:22.779 --> 00:31:26.400 Okay, ready? Here we go. Free will. Free will 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.920 is our greatest gift from God. It's our greatest 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.829 gift. Spirit guides. Spirit guides, we all have 00:31:33.829 --> 00:31:37.609 at least one. Some have many more. I got to know 00:31:37.609 --> 00:31:41.410 mine very well through my lucid lucid dreaming. 00:31:42.849 --> 00:31:45.309 Extraterrestrial life. Oh my goodness, he jumped 00:31:45.309 --> 00:31:48.569 into the deep end of the pool. Did I ever? I'm 00:31:48.569 --> 00:31:52.369 going into the woo woo section. E .T. Yes, the 00:31:52.369 --> 00:31:56.329 woo section is in my book. It's something I never 00:31:56.329 --> 00:31:59.859 talked about. But I have had some experiences. 00:32:00.259 --> 00:32:02.339 My husband hasn't read my book yet, so he doesn't 00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:05.720 even know this. Well, hopefully he won't listen 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:09.079 to this podcast. Yeah, yeah, because it's back 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.859 to that fear of what will people think? And I've 00:32:12.859 --> 00:32:15.059 written other books, but I didn't include this 00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:19.079 because the spiritual message to me was the most 00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.759 important. But what kept coming through is The 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:26.519 alien is spiritual, too. There are brothers and 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:30.000 sisters. It's important to share. It's important 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.980 right now to not fear, not enter that because 00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:37.900 there's going to be a lot of red flags and silly 00:32:37.900 --> 00:32:40.720 things coming across. And though there were going 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:44.140 to be invaded and all that, they are sorry. It 00:32:44.140 --> 00:32:48.079 makes me want to cry because they were so kind. 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.359 The things that they showed me were amazing. 00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:56.319 And I have nothing but love for those that I've 00:32:56.319 --> 00:33:00.420 been gifted to meet. So ETs are real and we don't 00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:04.619 need to be afraid. Don't be afraid, yeah. Afterlife 00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:08.880 communication. Oh I love it. Does that mean communicating 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.920 with people who have already died? Yes. Okay, 00:33:12.019 --> 00:33:15.089 tell me about that. Well, it started with my 00:33:15.089 --> 00:33:18.430 youngest sister. She died of a brain aneurysm 00:33:18.430 --> 00:33:21.750 at 56. One minute she's here and the next she's 00:33:21.750 --> 00:33:26.430 not. I had an expectation that my little sister 00:33:26.430 --> 00:33:29.210 would talk to me. You know, it's like, why wouldn't 00:33:29.210 --> 00:33:32.650 she look for a way to say goodbye to her family? 00:33:32.990 --> 00:33:36.289 Let us know she was okay because it was so instantaneous. 00:33:36.710 --> 00:33:39.210 And knowing my sister, it was like, she's going 00:33:39.210 --> 00:33:42.440 to... search every nook and cranny to be able 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:46.119 to send a message. And I expected to get one. 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:51.519 As I started, it was not audible. out here, but 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:56.559 it's an internal hearing. And, I'll add, those 00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.960 type of experiences really happen when you're 00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:02.359 doing something so nonchalant, like folding the 00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.099 laundry, doing the dishes, and your mind is free. 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.360 You're not focused on a task, it's just free. 00:34:08.860 --> 00:34:11.940 Believe when you hear something and go, huh? 00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:15.679 Did I just hear? Acknowledge. Say that again, 00:34:15.820 --> 00:34:18.460 or... I was blow drying my hair, I was visiting 00:34:18.460 --> 00:34:21.360 my mom and it was hot in there so the bathroom 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.000 door was open and the hallway had pictures, a 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.159 memorial basically to my little sister. And I 00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.400 was looking at the pictures and I was thinking, 00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.980 you know, I said, oh, okay, you're so beautiful. 00:34:33.460 --> 00:34:39.079 I heard her say, I'm prettier now in this joyful. 00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.840 And it surprised me and yet it didn't because 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.920 I had been waiting for it. And when I tried to 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.199 share that with my mother, finished up with my 00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:50.599 hair and said, I just heard from Kay Lynn. The 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:54.199 reaction was, where are you getting this? That 00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.340 same opposition that can hold us back. But if 00:34:58.340 --> 00:35:02.500 we... Enjoy what we're getting and acknowledge 00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:05.039 what we're getting. We'll get more of it. Kind 00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.119 of like if someone keeps dialing the phone and 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:11.139 it keeps going to voicemail and you can never 00:35:11.139 --> 00:35:13.059 talk to your friend because they never answer 00:35:13.059 --> 00:35:16.699 the phone. Well, you kind of stop dialing because 00:35:16.699 --> 00:35:19.619 they never answer, right? He's kind of... stop 00:35:19.619 --> 00:35:22.699 calling them. And this I have found in through 00:35:22.699 --> 00:35:25.820 research and other people's experiences that 00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:28.800 when, you know, someone isn't listening, is it 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.739 ready to listen, isn't in a place, their grief 00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:35.320 is so strong that they're blocking out that communication. 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.380 But if you expect it and want it, they're happy 00:35:39.380 --> 00:35:42.699 to talk to you. And my little sister and my mother 00:35:42.699 --> 00:35:46.199 were two of my greatest teachers in afterlife 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:49.739 communication. How do you recognize it and know 00:35:49.739 --> 00:35:51.960 that it's not just your own thoughts in your 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.019 own head? Well, my little sister is really good 00:35:55.019 --> 00:35:58.420 at throwing out a term, a word, or something 00:35:58.420 --> 00:36:02.340 that I'm not entirely familiar with that I'll 00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:05.340 end up having to go to a Google, well, I was 00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:07.480 going to say dictionary, but nobody uses those 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.800 anymore. I googled, you know, and says, oh, that's 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.639 what she meant. And it tied in with whatever. 00:36:14.059 --> 00:36:17.840 I mean, as I was accepting Hearing from her, 00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:22.019 I got all kinds of information from her, but 00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:25.579 she'd always throw in some weird little word 00:36:25.579 --> 00:36:28.880 or something, evidence, to prove it was real. 00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:32.260 And you can tell those aren't your words. It's 00:36:32.260 --> 00:36:36.440 a different vocabulary or choice of a word or 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.900 a way to say it. Even an inflection on it, isn't 00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:43.119 it? Exactly. Just a couple more before we wrap 00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.460 up. Some people with some religious backgrounds 00:36:46.460 --> 00:36:48.159 are gonna have a little bit of a hard time with 00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:52.500 these. It's okay pre -life planning. Oh Yes, 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.039 yes, I was gifted. This is a little bit of a 00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.380 story So hang on but I have five children here 00:37:00.380 --> 00:37:04.039 I was in the hallway before entering the course 00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.800 that was choosing a body This is a big concept 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.050 here. So I was with And you haven't asked this 00:37:11.050 --> 00:37:13.369 question yet, but I was with a member of my soul 00:37:13.369 --> 00:37:17.110 group. Soul groups are about 12 individuals who 00:37:17.110 --> 00:37:20.750 are in a pretty even playing field because we 00:37:20.750 --> 00:37:23.670 help each other through our studies and lessons 00:37:23.670 --> 00:37:27.690 and experiences. And we grow kind of like a group 00:37:27.690 --> 00:37:30.289 in school. You know, these are your classmates. 00:37:30.489 --> 00:37:33.289 These are your closest friends, your closest. 00:37:33.630 --> 00:37:36.349 And so I'm standing there with one of the members 00:37:36.349 --> 00:37:39.789 of my soul group. on absolutely equal footing 00:37:39.789 --> 00:37:43.510 who had been slated to become my son in this 00:37:43.510 --> 00:37:46.510 in this life and I was gifted to be able to go 00:37:46.510 --> 00:37:50.210 into the room of choices with him to choose his 00:37:50.210 --> 00:37:53.969 body because as his mother there had to be an 00:37:53.969 --> 00:37:57.489 agreement of who the father could could we get 00:37:57.489 --> 00:38:01.269 together and and make a DNA soup so that he would 00:38:01.269 --> 00:38:04.840 be able to earn earn that body have that body 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:09.559 so it was a it was quite an interesting class 00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:13.480 sorry i'm stumbling here because there are several 00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.519 different lessons to kind of cement that that 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:21.539 experience but yeah we do get to choose we choose 00:38:21.539 --> 00:38:24.559 our adversities when we think that it's like 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:28.280 life is just too hard well We picked it. We picked 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.599 it for a reason. There can always be an easing 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:35.320 off. There's a great, have you heard of Buddha 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.920 Betty? She has a podcast, and she picked a very 00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:43.239 hard life. She was a prostitute and drug addict. 00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:47.960 Is that Betty Guandano? Yes, yes. Yeah, she's 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:50.619 been on the show. She's awesome. I loved her 00:38:50.619 --> 00:38:54.449 ex - explanation of making those choices of adversity 00:38:54.449 --> 00:38:57.090 because she said, I felt like I had the shopping 00:38:57.090 --> 00:38:59.989 cart and I was on one of those shows where you've 00:38:59.989 --> 00:39:02.650 got a minute and a half to pick as put as many 00:39:02.650 --> 00:39:05.809 in your shopping cart as you can get. And I went 00:39:05.809 --> 00:39:09.369 that's some of us go to town and then we get 00:39:09.369 --> 00:39:12.519 here because On the other side, we're all -knowing, 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.719 all -powerful, we're magnificent on the other 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.460 side, but we go through this veil of forgetfulness, 00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:23.400 of separation, and then we're here in our thoughts 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.579 of being all alone, and now we're facing all 00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:29.139 of these horrible things that we chose, and it's 00:39:29.139 --> 00:39:33.300 like, why would I choose this? I got to witness 00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:37.800 him making those choices. We all ask ourselves 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.980 those questions. And sometimes I think, OK, assuming 00:39:42.980 --> 00:39:45.719 that really happened, but I really went through 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.719 this grocery store kind of place and chose these 00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:51.360 really tough things that were going to happen 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.139 to me in life because of what I was going to 00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:56.800 learn from them and everything I was going to 00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:00.460 get from those experiences. In spite of that. 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.320 Did I really know how tough it was going to be? 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.260 I kind of don't think so. I think we were a little 00:40:06.260 --> 00:40:09.940 bit ignorant to just how hard some of those things 00:40:09.940 --> 00:40:12.420 were going to be. I mean, can you imagine holding 00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:15.340 your... I'll be somebody who will starve to death. 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:18.440 I'm going to go to that third world country and 00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:22.420 experience that I can't even imagine. But until 00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:25.909 we know, I mean... You know the adversities and 00:40:25.909 --> 00:40:30.429 that are kind of the spice of life, too You know 00:40:30.429 --> 00:40:33.369 we go we get to go back and talk about it and 00:40:33.369 --> 00:40:36.630 share that Experience and try to explain as I'm 00:40:36.630 --> 00:40:39.010 trying to explain the darkness some people are 00:40:39.010 --> 00:40:42.989 trying to explain the pain or whatnot of Starving 00:40:42.989 --> 00:40:46.150 to death. All right, you have a whole bunch more. 00:40:46.150 --> 00:40:48.929 I can't wait to read all about them the last 00:40:48.929 --> 00:40:52.389 very last one I'm gonna ask you about Jesus. 00:40:52.489 --> 00:40:55.829 What did you learn about Jesus? That's another 00:40:55.829 --> 00:40:59.610 one that I wrestled with with talking about because 00:40:59.610 --> 00:41:03.530 I worried about what impression it might leave 00:41:03.530 --> 00:41:06.750 people with. I'm special enough I talk to Jesus 00:41:06.750 --> 00:41:09.469 kind of thing. Well it's also gonna polarize 00:41:09.469 --> 00:41:13.349 people for and against you so congratulations 00:41:13.349 --> 00:41:16.429 on being brave enough. Yeah. Okay go ahead with 00:41:16.429 --> 00:41:19.289 what you were saying. But the experiences, and 00:41:19.289 --> 00:41:23.090 it's only been a few, three times, cherished 00:41:23.090 --> 00:41:30.250 experiences, but he's our big brother. He doesn't 00:41:30.250 --> 00:41:33.469 want to be worshipped. In fact, a story in my 00:41:33.469 --> 00:41:38.690 book of how I thought if and when I ever met 00:41:38.690 --> 00:41:41.429 Jesus on the other side, wasn't expecting to 00:41:41.429 --> 00:41:44.469 hear, that I would kneel and touch the hem of 00:41:44.469 --> 00:41:47.760 his garment. That was something that was taught 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:53.239 as far as respect and love for Jesus, the man, 00:41:53.300 --> 00:41:56.119 the man that hangs on the wall at church. But 00:41:56.119 --> 00:42:01.300 he's our brother. He's my big brother that I 00:42:01.300 --> 00:42:06.840 can climb into his lap and feel the big brother. 00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:11.639 Playfulness and love and watchfulness over me 00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.900 as I play. He doesn't want to be worshipped. 00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:18.320 He asked me to stand. He did not want me to worship 00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:22.500 him. He asked me to stand and walk with him as 00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:26.639 a fellow teacher and a friend. So this is how 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:30.960 I treat Jesus now. I don't worship him. I know 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.500 that I know him. I know him with my heart and 00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:38.880 my soul. He's very real, but he's not the one 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:42.980 of the words that bother me is lord over us type 00:42:42.980 --> 00:42:47.539 thing. He's our loving, loving big brother and 00:42:47.539 --> 00:42:51.559 he loves every one of us. So yeah, I cry every 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.820 time. I can't help it. That's what I was left 00:42:54.820 --> 00:42:58.659 with is the intensity of that love, that feeling. 00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:04.099 My earth body can't handle that much of that 00:43:04.099 --> 00:43:07.750 feeling. that I got from Jesus. Claudia, thank 00:43:07.750 --> 00:43:09.789 you so much for sharing all this with us today. 00:43:10.289 --> 00:43:13.389 Thank you for having me. It's been a fun conversation. 00:43:15.110 --> 00:43:17.750 Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast. 00:43:18.010 --> 00:43:20.429 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button 00:43:20.429 --> 00:43:22.909 and sign up for our newsletter at RoundTripDest 00:43:22.909 --> 00:43:26.380 .com. If you want to share your near -death experience, 00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:28.639 or if you have questions or comments about the 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.539 show, send an email to eric at roundtripdeath 00:43:31.539 --> 00:43:34.719 .com. Until then, I wish you everything good 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.039 that you're looking for in this life and the 00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:37.420 next.