From the time that they pronounced me that was
a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then
they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I
could see people screaming and crying But I didn't
realize that was actually my physical body because
I was somewhere else The only thing that I could
feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace
there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was
greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back
home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.
Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.
And please give a warm welcome to Scarlett, our
guest today. How are you, Scarlett? I'm fine,
Eric. How are you? I'm great. Well, I'm getting
there. My voice is coming back and I was about
to pronounce your last name, but I'm just going
to mess it up. Would you please pronounce your
last name for us? It's Heimbuch. Sounds German.
It is. Good I like it. Do you know what it means?
We've been told several things that means one
person told me book of the dead because book
is book in English and German and Others have
said it's like a grove of trees. I prefer the
book of the dead because it seems more fitting
I Like it. They're both good. Okay. Well, congratulations
on that. Hey I'm going to let our listeners know
this is going to be super interesting today because
we're not only talking about NDEs we're going
to talk about SNDEs and if you're not sure what
that is hang on you'll find out and frankly a
beautiful love story and who doesn't love a good
love story but before we jump in Scarlett would
you tell us just a little bit about you so we
can get to know you? You know, I always wonder
what to say, but here's what I will say. I am
recently retired from the financial services
industry. I have always felt like I've walked
in two worlds my entire life, one very mainstream
and one esoteric based on my experiences that
we will get into. I feel like I've worked very
hard to be grounded. I have been a researcher
for financial services in that field that requires
extreme attention to detail, accuracy, all of
these things are very important. And I try to
apply those research skills and accuracy skills
to how I try to relay these very unusual experiences
that we in our world do not have words for. So
that's a bridge I try to to walk across for people.
And it's taken me a lifetime to even understand
how to get here today to be able to explain some
of these things. The most important thing to
me is for people to understand that sharing my
story because of how unusual it is. came at great
personal risk, but I did it because I believe
the message is far more important than myself.
And that's why I'm here today to share a message
of hope and love and healing for people because
we need it so much now today. That is what this
podcast is all about. It's all about hope. It's
all about the love. It's all about the things
that we can learn from this and And, you know,
good job being brave and coming out and talking
about these things. I know it's not easy. And
especially years ago, when you had some of these
experiences, it was even harder. Things are much
more accepting now. And so I'm glad the world
is a little bit safer place for people that are
sharing these stories. But, you know, let's go
ahead and jump into it. Four years old when this
first thing happened. Go ahead and tell us what
was going on Well, I think jumping in is the
perfect thing because when I was four years old
I was in this jumped into a swimming pool. I
was in the shallow end and I'm very candid about
things Eric I'm candid about my age. This was
1964 So I was four years old and this was back
in the day when you had kids had to wear these
very Plastic swim caps and they were very hard
on the hair. They pulled your hair. They were
you know uncomfortable, but you had to wear them.
It was requirement in public pools. And so my
mother had taken us there. I had a sister who
was 13 months older than I and my brother was
in the kiddie pool. He was 18 months old. My
mother was keeping an eye on both of the pools
where my sister and I were and my brother. It
was a lifeguard there. It was the middle of summer.
It's crowded hot summer day and my sister and
I were told to stay in the shallow end and that
would be fine. What happened though was I was
bobbing on the floor of the pool and I didn't
realize that each time I bounced I went backwards
and so I continued to go backwards until I bounced
and my feet didn't hit the bottom of the pool.
Well, I panicked and started to gulp water and
I couldn't catch my breath and I was failing
around and then I continued to gulp water and
then I lost consciousness. I was at the bottom
of the pool. What happened was that my consciousness
was also out of the pool at the edge of the pool
and I could see my body with the pink cap on
the bottom of it now four years old you don't
have any filters about what you're observing
or experiencing there's nothing in your mind
to tell you that this is. You don't know anything,
you don't have a frame of reference before or
after. So all I knew was that there was a physical
body that was me on the bottom of that pool now
and that there was me and my consciousness hovering
on the edge of it and in that space was a place
of love and absolute security. Just a sense of
peace, safety, bliss. Love I mean but love is
not even the word to describe have the magnitude
of these feelings and I say that because it was
so compelling to be in that space that I wanted
to stay there. Can I just ask are you seeing
anything or is it still spiritual you looking
at the pool at physical you. It's spiritual me
but here's the thing it says i call the shift
in consciousness it's my spirit self i guess
because i have these multiple awareness is happening
simultaneously i'm aware that that is fully me
observing the physical me on the bottom of the
pool i don't even know how to process this is
just happening. But what was interesting was
that I could begin to, as the longer I was down
there, which wasn't a long time, technically,
because I wouldn't have been able to come back,
but I did. The thing was, is that I could feel
in this consciousness, not only myself, I could
feel the people's feelings around me. I began
to feel my mother's sense of panic because she...
was the one who realized she didn't see my little
pink cat bobbing in the pool and being a trained
nurse, she came over, she saw me in the bottom
of the pool and she went in and got me out. But
I remember not wanting to come back. being aware
that I did have a choice and being aware of my
mother's feelings of panic and fear and love.
And I knew that if I did not come back that she
would never recover from this. And my love for
her was so great that I chose to come back. And
I say that that was a huge choice for me because
it's important. And I do share this openly. I
was growing up at that point in an alcoholic
home, which was very frightening to me and very,
very difficult for me to be in. So being in this
loving environment where it was blissfully safe
was very compelling to want to stay there. Knowing
that I had a choice to do that, but the love
I felt for my mother was so great and my care
and concern for her life after if I didn't come
back. It was just a choice that my spirit knew
I needed to make, even if it was going to be
a difficult journey. It's almost like our spirits
are all grown up and not four years old. For
you to be able to process all of that and make
that kind of decision? You know, a regular four
-year -old couldn't do that. No, you're not four
years old. And the spiritual... There's just
an awareness of everything and I call it just
a consciousness When you experience that type
of love and awareness it is ageless. It's timeless
It's just sheer knowing it's sheer truth and
it's it's sheer love There's no way that my four
-year -old mind could process it all or articulate
it now I can but I remember it vividly. I've
never forgotten it I just did not even understand
at the time as the years rolled by that this
was a near -death experience because remember
back in 1964 that term had not even been coined
and there wasn't much talk about these sorts
of things. Mother being a trained nurse knew
how to revive me and when I regained consciousness
spewing water up at the side of the pool, mom
years later when we talked about said, you know,
you were blue, you were not breathing and for
a while you weren't with us. So I understood
that. I understood I wasn't with us for a while.
Plus the time on the bottom of the pool was very
likely a few minutes. Yes. All together. Yes.
And I think that that's the divine intervention
because I think if I'd been down there any longer,
I might not have been able to come back. But
mom caught me in time. So that was my near death
experience. What I didn't understand is that
when that doorway or portal or whatever term
you want to use, To the other side was open for
me to have that consciousness out of my body.
It stayed open and that was something that i
never knew could could happen so after that shared
near death or that near death experience that
open the door for these other things like the
shared near death experience it will talk about
later but it open the door to influences of other
spiritual experiences some frightening some not
but things that a four year old. such as myself
did not have any way to understand how to to
shut it down or how to protect myself from energies
being in the near -death experience and an encounter
i think is full of that loving bliss but the
other side or other elements and different dimensions
are not all loving bliss because now when we're
out of that particular compelling moment we're
in real life and in real life There are other
energies and other dimensions that when you become
sensitized, that you are now vulnerable to. So
these were things that as I grew from a child
to a teenager to a young adult, I didn't really
have any way of understanding, knowing things
that I had no way of possibly knowing, precognitive
dreams, all types of psychic experiences that
were happening in my young life. And again, trying
to navigate growing up in the home environment
in which I found myself. There were a few saving
graces, and I do want to acknowledge my grandparents,
my maternal grandparents predominantly. We spent
a lot of time there in my childhood. My maternal
grandmother was a Pennsylvania Dutch woman, and
she was tough as nails, and you knew she loved
you. But they came from a lineage where unusual
things weren't that. Unusual because in Pennsylvania
Dutch and the folk medicine that took all powwowing
which my great -grandmother was These sorts of
things weren't that unusual and my grandfather
was from North Carolina and claimed Cherokee
descent And so he also was not so unused to unusual
things But still growing up in this environment.
I was grateful that I had my grandparents And
I remember even as a little child just floating
around out of my body at their house, out the
back door. And there was one incident, and this
is important to share, when I was taking a nap
in the afternoon and my grandfather and my cousin
were there, and this was told at a family reunion
years later. My grandfather saw me and my cousin
saw me standing at the kitchen door and grandpa
said, you're supposed to be in bed and clapped
his hands, like, get back there. And they said
that I disappeared right in front of their eyes.
Well, grandpa and my cousin were so unnerved
that they ran to the room where I was sound asleep
napping. And I was up on a higher bed that I
would have had to climb some little steps to
get up to. And I didn't have a deceitful bone
in my body. So I wasn't. playing with them, no
pranking at all. I was sound asleep in the bed
and my grandfather was very upset by that. All
right. I got to take a breath here. We're going
fast. First of all, did you talk to your grandparents
about some of the things that you were experiencing?
Yes, I did. And my mother too. Yes. And how did
they react? Pretty accepting, although both attending
a Southern Baptist Church so they had a lot of
Concerns about things to even as open as they
were to things they were still you know, just
Worry that these weren't evil influences or things
like that, which of course scared me as a child
But here's what's my way of dealing with that
was I always felt like Any place that was dedicated
to the house of worship i wanted to be there
because of the experience i had of a feeling
that the love from our creator which is the best
way i can describe this it was not a religious
experience it was a spiritual one and so. i would
go to any church it did not matter any synagogue
temple it did not matter what the religion was
as long as i could be somewhere where i felt
safe in a house that was dedicated to our creator
even at a young child's age i would go to church
with my grandparents i would walk to church Even
if it was a Lutheran church that was nearby our
home where we were living, I would walk myself
to vacation Bible school at eight years old.
This was just what I wanted to do because that
sense of safety and being in that spiritual environment
made me feel better. It was the closest I could
come where I could have some dedicated time to
that closest sense of love and care around this
earth. All right. So after this four -year -old
experience, you had these, I'm going to call
them spiritual gifts, for lack of a better term,
okay? And you've mentioned a few of them, but
can we just kind of list them off, kind of bullet
points here? What were some of them? Precognitive
dreams, precognitive in knowing I could hear
things. In other words, seeing the future a little
bit? Yes. I knew when people were Somewhere else
i could visually see them with my mind's eye
now we call that remote viewing things like that
where. You know i just couldn't. It didn't matter.
I didn't have to go into any, just like I'm talking
to you of an image would flash in my mind's eye.
And I could see something like, for example,
my uncle Howard was coming to visit us at our
house in Maryland. We were not at home. He was
not expected, but we're driving, I'm riding in
the car with my parents and I'm saying, Oh, uncle
Howard is at our house now. And we need to go
back and, and my father said, no, he's not here.
He's not coming over. And I was pretty insistent
that he was there and they didn't believe me.
And so we get home and there's a note that uncle
Howard stopped by things like that. I, there's
no way I can explain how I knew that, but I knew
it when my grandfather was getting ready to pass
on. I woke up that morning and I told my mother
that he was going to pass at 11 17 that night.
I, in my mind's eye had seen the clock. And that
time and him taking his last breath. Well, he
did things like that. Just that kind of knowing
what that kind of specificity of seeing a time
or a person or location. So those sorts of things
happen all the time. I could see people like
adults wanted to sit next to me because they
would ask me questions about things. And I remember
my friend when I was about. nine years old, her
parents were getting ready to move out of state.
And I was really sad about that. And I said something
to her about, well, do you think when they get
a divorce, you might come back? And she looked
at me with shock and she said, what do you mean
them getting a divorce? She said, my parents
aren't getting a divorce, but I knew that I knew
it. I could feel it. I could feel the fracture
and the relationship like an energy split. And
these were, again, I'm using words that there
were no way that I had back then, but I just
could see them together and could see that they
were not together in their spirits. And I don't
know how to describe it any better, but of course
that's what happened. They moved out of state
years later. I heard that they had been barely
there for not much time and their marriage ended.
So just that kind of knowing. How did you deal
with all that? Well, this is what set me on the
course of research, because as I got older, my
way of coping was to learn what's happening here.
Am I a freak? Am I a weirdo? Because I certainly
felt that way. And as a younger child, when I
realized that not everybody had these sorts of
experiences, I had to learn to not speak about
them because I didn't realize that not everyone
was this way. So I just became very quiet. I
worked hard. I worked two jobs in high school.
I just learned about things in 1976, I think,
or 77. Dr. Ian Stevenson at the University of
Virginia, who was doing reincarnation research,
came out with his book, Some Cases. suggestive
reincarnation. And I thought, well, that was
interesting. I wasn't really interested so much
in reincarnation, but it opened the door to the
paranormal understanding that people on an academic
level were really looking into these things.
And then Dr. J .B. Rine at Duke University was
starting with the psi research and the zener
cards. And I actually wrote to Dr. Rine and said,
you know, here's here are these things happening.
I would like to learn more about them and perhaps
this might be a career path for me. And he wrote
me back. It was amazing. And so I just tried
to learn more about what these experiences were.
I will say that the one thing that was the overriding
theme though was whatever choice I made, I tried
to be helpful to people. For example, I volunteered
at an afterschool program for at -risk kids in
the city I was living in. to do tutoring for
kids. I was a peer counselor where you would
go to elementary schools and try to help kids
think about the choices they were making. I did
an early training for crisis intervention counseling
to kind of help people. And at the same center,
there was a man who was a retired physicist and
he was very interested in remote viewing. And
that was the time when I learned that term and
learned that Stanford University was doing research
with those sorts of phenomena. And so he felt
like he could help me with that and trying to
understand how I could see things in my mind's
eye. He said, well, that's remote viewing. So
we would try to do some experiences. experiments
with that. I am not an artist, so I didn't know
how to see my mind's eye and draw what he might
be seeing, and I found that that's not how my
experiences work. There has to be a real feeling,
a real connection or someone in need. If it's
just theoretical, it doesn't work. I can't do
anything with it. I have to have that human connection.
So there were some kids who had run away. And,
and at the crisis center, he said, well, can
you kind of locate these children in your mind's
eye? And I said, well, I can't exactly tell you
where they are, but what I can do is feel them
and I can feel them and. In my, my spirit. And
so I would suggest to these children to call,
come home and to make contact. And so things
began to happen. And with that, and he noticed
and, and he was one of the first. adults that
I felt I could really talk to about what I was
experiencing in my life helped me to make sense
of it, helped me to identify what it is I was
having the ability to do and to apply it in a
way that was actually useful and helpful to people.
And that was something that was extremely meaningful
to me because it was like, what is the point
of this if I can't help people with it? To me,
that's the bottom line, right? What is the point
of it because these things aren't just for entertainment
value? No Not at all. And when you talked about
the theoretical part of it, it's almost like
well, that's what it would have been Like prove
to me that you can do this Kind of thing and
you don't need to do that With that background
now, let's move on to an S and D E and for those
that haven't heard that term Go ahead, Scarlett.
Well, that's a shared near -death experience.
That's a term that I didn't know originally when
I had this happen, and I thought I had coined
it, but I was humbled to find out I had not,
that Raymond Moody actually had years and years
and years ago. It just hadn't been popularized
because people had not actually had many of the
experiences, even though he thought that they
would. So fast forward. 41 years after the drowning
incident growing up. At this point, I'm in graduate
school. I'm in a PhD program in public policy
and administration focused on trying to help
children with disabilities because at that point
I found myself being as I was a single mom of
two sons with disabilities. My oldest son had
severe ADHD and learning disabilities. My younger
son had epilepsy, so both of the boys had neurological
conditions and the treatments and protocols that
we were following to try to help them really
weren't. So that's when I became interested in
essential fatty acids and things like that. And
I ended up getting a master's in public health
and then got the stipend to go on for the doctorate
in public policy to see if we could, again, help
children address these issues in a more, not
only a more holistic and. practical way but also
from their school experiences and parental experiences.
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I had taken, left my job as a Human Resources
Compensation Analyst because that was the requirement
to go to the PhD program full time. And I barely
had any money to rub together. But anyway, when
I mentioned growing up in an alcoholic home,
one of the things that I experienced also was
my own concern as an adult that I felt I was
drinking too much and knowing that there's the
genetic component, the habit component and the
worry and feeling the stress and pressures I
was dealing with in that. I went through a period
where I was feeling very depressed and overwhelmed
with everything, with my sons and life and just
trying to manage through. And I became concerned
about drinking too much wine. I took myself to
a 12 step meeting. In that meeting, I met some
really lovely people, but I stopped going and
got busy still with. school and everything. However,
what happened was I kept in contact with folks
and I began to hear about this man who had come
in from the West Coast, was a truly good person,
was in recovery and had taken a serious illness
that had gone extremely, extremely drastically
wrong and that the man was now in the hospital.
In an intensive care unit and had been an unresponsive
coma with all systems shut down for two and a
half going on three weeks. And that when they
figured out that he had a very rare form of vasculitis
at that time, it was called Wegener's granulomatosis,
where little nodules and scarring occurs on the
lungs, kidneys, any kind of organ system, and
even the veins, all sorts. It's devastating to
the body. And many people die from it or they
are permanently damaged. Back in the seventies,
most people did not survive it, but it had taken
them such a long time to figure out what it was
because it's rare that by the time they did,
this man was not responding to the treatment
protocol. In addition to having respiratory failure,
kidney failure and scarring on the kidneys. He
had a chest tube. He had sepsis. He had double
pneumonia. He had blood clots. He had atrial
fibrillation. He was in an unresponsive paralytic
coma. And then he had brain injury beginning
from the lack of oxygen due to the ongoing respirator
experience. And did I mention the chest tube?
I'm not sure if I did, but one lung had also
collapsed. Yeah. So he was in bottom line, really,
really bad shape. Probably wasn't going to make
it. No, he wasn't. So what happened? Was a friend
of mine called me about a meeting that I used
to go to months before and she thought that I
had met this man because He went to that meeting
but I had not because I'd stopped going anyway
I went to the meeting that night and learned
that This man's mother had been called that day
from Cal to come from San Francisco, California
to come to Richmond, Virginia She'd gotten the
call that morning to come say goodbye because
he had taken a turn for the worse He had not
come out of the coma. He was not going to survive.
So I went to the meeting that night and his mother
came into the meeting and something about her
just touched my heart. I guess moms and children,
you know, there's never, never a time to lose
your child at any age. But she was facing that
and she had come and she told everyone she had
signed the funeral directives and wanted to thank
everybody for the, you know, the fellowship that
They had given her son because people would go
and read to him and just show up in the ICU and
she had given her permission for that. And it
was just really a touching moment. Now I was
on a prayer team at a church I was attending
at the time. I had also learned Reiki and just
finished a certification after seven years of
training. And I had done that to help my sons
to kind of calm them down. And I knew the power
of just loving intention and energy. So At the
end of the meeting, I went up to her to tell
her how sorry I was, but what came out of my
mouth was, I don't think you should give up hope
yet. Now, I don't know where those words came
from to this day. I'm still stunned that I said
that because it wasn't me speaking. It was a
spiritual moment speaking. And then I laughed
at a moment after that. I said, I mean, I obviously
can't promise anything, but if you would like
me to go visit your son, I would be happy to
hold his hand. I'm not afraid of people passing
on and to pray with him if you'd like. And she
said, well, he's Jewish. And I said, well, that's
fine. You know, it's completely respectful, reiki
and energy work. It does not matter what. someone's
religion or no religion. It's just pure energy.
But of course she would have to give me permission
to see him. And the big question mark, would
he even be alive the next morning? Because it
didn't seem like he would be. She said that she
would give me permission where he's still there
and we would go from there. And I drove home
just wondering why I had done this, why I had
even said that to her. I didn't know this man.
I didn't... I didn't even barely have enough
gas to even get to the hospital between that.
And I'm teaching a class in addition to taking
my own classes, but I'd said my prayers and I
was just saying to my creator why I'm going to
take it as a sign. If he's still here tomorrow,
I'll keep my commitment and I'll go. I don't
know what I can possibly do, but I'll show up.
Well, that's what happened, Eric. I went the
next morning. Or midday. I just finished teaching
my morning class and I went to the hospital.
He was still alive and They let me back. Well,
I had never seen anyone in acute kidney failure
So I didn't realize that the body is swollen
and he was and he had the ventilator machine
going and and he had the feeding tube he had
the bone dry catheter bag he had I central line
in his neck he had IV lines he had They had given
him blood transfusions previously, but he he'd
had every intervention possible, but he just
had not Recovered he was still unconscious and
the only thing keeping him going were the machines
I was shocked that he was still alive But he
was so my mother had always told me when someone
is unconscious or in a coma speak to them like
they're awake So that's what I did. I went up
to his his bedside and introduced myself. I told
him my name, why I was there. I told him I'd
met his mother the night before and that I was
here to do some prayer and healing work with
him if he would like and I would need his permission.
Well obviously he was unconscious but I told
him if you will let me know I'll just wait here.
And I felt a whoosh of air and I took that as
permission to work with him. So I very gently
took his hand to establish physical contact because
that's important. And again, he had like the
pulse oximeter and the IV line. So I'm trying
to be very careful. He had no grip and no response.
And I said in a prayer out loud, an affirmative
prayer and giving thanks for this time with him
and just giving thanks for our creators. plan
for his life and knowing that this was his choice.
This is his life, his journey. And I was there
to support him on the next steps and what he
wanted. I felt a connection with him and I did
feel a sense of sorrow and love and care. And,
and I told him out loud, I said, you know, it
doesn't matter what you've done in this life
that The God of my understanding is a miracle
working God, and you are loved. And if you are
ready to go, just go in love, go in peace. Know
that no matter what has happened in your life,
you are loved. But if you feel you have some
unfinished business and you feel like you want
to come back, then then I will work with you.
And so I. Did some reiki and some energy work
with him for about 15 minutes. I didn't feel
much energy from him. If you've experienced people
in a longer term coma state, you can often sense
that they're not in their body, that they're
often hovering around it. And that's how he felt
to me that he was hovering and he was getting
ready to go. Except that at the end of the session,
I took his hand again to say a closing prayer.
And the words I chose. just that came out of
my mouth again were, you know, giving thanks
for this time together, giving thanks to our
Creator for the most sacred and holy outcome
for Him, the healing energies of our Creator,
only the highest and best in this dimension or
any other. And I don't to this day still know
why I said that, but that was significant as
well. And I told him again that if he decided
he wanted to stick around, I would make him a
promise and I would come back. But whatever he
chose, he was loved. And I was getting ready
to take my hand away and leave when I realized
my hand felt like it was almost fused to his.
He wasn't gripping it because he had not responded,
but I could feel it. And I recognized that his
spirit was reaching back. And that's when...
I realized we've made some contact. So I remember
standing there so startled at that experience
that I laughed out loud and I said, okay, you're
there. I said, okay, I promise you this. If you
decide to stick around, I mean it, I will come
back and I'll see you through this. Well, I went
home that night and I didn't even know what to
make of this or what to do or what I could possibly
do to help this very critically ill man or even
if he would. make it later. I can't remember
if it was that night or the next night. I felt
his eyes in my room. I felt his spirit in my
room hovering. And I thought he was coming to
say goodbye, but he was still in the hospital
still hanging on. And I kept my word. I went
back and I worked with him for 12 days. And in
that 12 day period, that's when we had three
incredibly unusual things. One was On the day
I started my opening prayer with him, one of
the things that's important to say is that I
would synchronize my breathing to the ventilator
with him. And so that would get my heart rate
in sync with him, my breathing in sync with him
before I began any kind of healing or even prayer.
I just went into that state. About the third
or fourth day I'm there, I've said... i've said
the prayer i'm breathing with him before i start
anything and that's when i had that shift in
consciousness just like being out of my body
when i drowned at four only this time. My body
is standing there at his bedside and my consciousness
is is somewhere else my consciousness is in this
place of love like it was before when i was four
but this is even different this was even greater
than that and i had the perception of being.
Surrounded by billions of dots of tiny white
light liquid love i call it even though it wasn't
wet but it was just just light. Beautiful incredible
light and love and and there his spirit was hovering
We were there together in this light in this
love where he was having a decision whether he
was going to leave or whether he was going to
stay and And that's when I had this incredible
experience of knowing I was like, I know this
man. I know his spirit. I love him I've always
loved this spirit this person. I didn't know
him in this life, but I my spirit recognized
him his soul and he recognized me the love was
so huge i call it the every type of love there's
no way to describe again how that was and there's
nothing selfish about it nothing being exposed
to that kind of love of course i would love to
have a relationship like that but the love was
so huge that if he needed to go because his body
was too unable to come back to My love was so
great that I wanted what was best for him, even
if that meant we weren't going to have any kind
of experience in this life other than this love,
and that would have to be enough. Then I'm plunked
back in my body, standing at his bedside. He's
still unresponsive, and I am absolutely stunned
at what has happened here because I don't know
this man. I can't even see what he looks like.
He's never opened his eyes. He's bloated. He's
got tape holding his ventilator tube. everything.
It's just, there's no way I even know who he
is. And so I'm totally shocked because this is
the stuff of soulmates, the things you hear about.
I can't even fathom how this could possibly be
my soulmate. And later when I thought about it,
I just felt a sense of anger and puzzlement.
It was like, why would I? be shown this incredible
love only to have it snatched away what how cruel
it felt cruel to me and on one hand and on the
other i realized i was being selfish because
love still wants what's best and and perhaps
that was the gift and later yeah i realized it
was the gift that when you have even that glimpse
of love that is such a gift and And sometimes
that's all we get. But what happened was I continued
to work with him. He continued to hang on. We
had another very unusual, and I call it a shared
near -death experience. I do want to say that
because I shared in his near -death experience.
He's hovering near -death. He's ready to go.
All systems are shut down. And I was there with
him. I didn't have a word for this and that's
where I came up with shared near death and why
this is so important now that this term gets
out there more because more people are having
it is we need terms for things that happen to
us. But it's also critically important for verifying
things. One of the things, the criticisms you
hear a lot about near death experience, even
shared death experience, is that only one person
is reporting it. So it's easy to say well maybe
they had their brain shutting down or or maybe
someone had a hallucinated this or maybe somebody
is maybe misinterpreting what they experienced
in a shared experience such as this you got two
people. who had something happen. And you can't
just dismiss that. It shows that there's something
going on in consciousness that even a person
who's not dying can share in with someone who
is. So in this case, the man and his name is
David made that return. He did come back to his
body. Now his body was still extremely weak and
also extremely damaged. Well, what happened next?
And these were the words in this dimension or
any other that I couldn't explain what had happened,
but his kidneys were were destroyed or very,
very damaged from the scar tissue and the kidneys
do not regenerate. And this is a medical fact.
They might return some tiny bit of function,
but they were we were told while he was still
unconscious that he would need to be on dialysis
for the rest of his life. If he survived this
and he would also have brain injury because of
the lack of oxygen. Well, one night over this
12 day period after this shared near death experience
with this man, I am really. Still just stunned
about everything. I don't know whether what's
going to happen here. I don't know I just know
that I have to keep showing up that I made a
promise and he's still hanging on and I kept
coming back and one night I'm in my room getting
me to go to sleep and As we talked about remote
viewing where you can see something somewhere
else I have a sense of being in his hospital
room my consciousness like the proverbial fly
on the wall in the corner and I see what I have
called They look like a blue medical team. They
look like beings that were solid blue to me and
they look like doctors and I saw them on each
end of his bed and on each side and what I perceived
is for a set of blue holographic kidneys descending
into his body with these beings. And I thought
maybe I might be dreaming or having that fall
asleep moment where your mind just has kind of
a hallucinatory effect, except that what I call
the lead doctor looked up and nodded their head
at me so they could sense my presence there in
the room. or at least my observation. And so
this wasn't that different than remote viewing.
And I realized later that that's what was happening,
except that I had never heard about any blue
beings or this sort of thing. So I didn't know
what in the world was going on. The next morning
I got to the hospital and I went super early
because I was really surprised at this. And I
had brought other things and then. tuning forks.
I brought essential oils to rub on his feet and
certain acupressure points there. I had brought
the aromatherapy. I brought music to help keep
the brain stimulated. His kidneys began to regain
function. And over the following days, the nephrologist
came in and they said, something's going on here.
His kidneys are regaining. function exponentially,
and this is not possible. So he was in a Catholic
hospital here in Richmond, Virginia called St.
Mary's, and the doctors and nurses from that
day on started calling a miracle boy. You know,
they would pray with him and over him, and then
his kidneys continued to regain function until
they regained 100%. And this was after documented
evidence that the kidneys were scarred, that
they could not ever regenerate, and that's why
they were calling a miracle boy. And that's important,
too, as well. Credibility matters. As I said,
I'm a researcher. We have all the medical documentation
that have been reviewed by many medical professionals
at this point for veracity and accuracy. I'm
not a medical doctor, so I want to make sure
that I'm relaying things correctly. This is correct.
So this has been validated by multiple sources.
David had an unexplained medical recovery. I
called a miracle. He woke up. And then we met
in real life. And it was awkward because we were
strangers to each other in this life. So we had
to introduce ourselves, meet each other. And
in the interest of time, our spirits recognized
he knew when he woke up, he knew everything about
me. He knew he was going to marry me. He knew
all of these things that I wasn't sure of, because
we still didn't know if he was going to make
it. But he did. And he had another relapse and
almost died again. But he survived that too.
And all this happened in September of 2005 through
December of 2005. During the time I worked with
him, he did make that stunning recovery. He still
had a long road ahead of him, but our spirits
knew we were brought together for this. And in
June of 2006, we were married and we have been
married since. ever since. We've been together
over 20 years. This experience will be 21 years
this fall. He has defied every prognosis, even
when people survive what he had. Even if they
do, it's usually maybe eight years. He's going
on 21 years. His kidneys are still perfect. He
didn't have the brain damage that they expected.
That is so amazing. It is a true healing miracle.
And I say it's all in our creator's hands. And
it was his decision, his creator's decision.
But I came along to be a facilitator and to offer
that healing hand to help. And so I don't call
myself a great healer. I call myself someone
who cared enough to show up, facilitate. And
I feel like his spirit called me and I listened.
And that's the part that is the miracle to me
is that I was healed too in this experience and
life was not easy for me and here I never expected
that this this would be how I'd meet my soulmate
that was never on my radar like this and yet
our seeming differences were so just that irrelevant
when you have a shared new death experience and
you meet somebody in that encounter which was
so unusual I'd never heard anything like it we
didn't talk about it for Ten years. How could
you? I mean, how do you explain all these things
that happened? But now we feel like we need to
explain more because it is unusual. But people
are having these experiences. They need a name
and they need to know that love is the most powerful
force in this universe. Love. And that's the
healing key all the time. And even when people
don't come back. Love is so great that I like
to say to people that, you know, we know consciousness
out of the body exists. We know our spirits live
on. We know they're in turn eternal. And so if
someone has gone on ahead of us, they're just
ahead of us. If they're on that other side ahead
of us in another dimension. their love is still
there. They're just not in our physical realm
and that's a loss and we experience that. But
if it brings any comfort to know that the spirit
and the love live on and are just waiting for
us when we go, I think that helps people to just
maybe find some comfort. But that's the ultimate
thing, Eric, is the most important thing is that
love finds people in the most unusual ways and
that if we just have some faith and trust that
things are working out in our lives, that there
is a creative divine hand guiding us, and if
we'll maybe listen to it and take that leap of
faith that that's where miracles happen. What
a beautiful message. A couple of quick questions,
and I don't mean to get off where you just left
it perfectly there. How was his mother doing
through all this? She thought she was there saying
goodbye to him. And here this weird person, Scarlett,
says he's going to be okay. And so anyway, you
said she flew back? She had flown back to California
after that, after signing the funeral directives,
thinking that was it. She had been out three
times, but she figured that was it. So when he
began to make this unexpected recovery, she didn't
know what to expect. And I talked to her. you
know, once or twice through because I'm still
a stranger. But the doctors were calling her
and letting her know, hey, something is going
on here. And then after David got better, and
then he went out to see his mom. And then that's
when he got back and was still ill. But then
when I finally got to go back out and meet her
later the following year, David and I were already
married at that point, we just knew and that
was it. So his mother We lost her in 2012. She
was one of the most amazing people I've ever
known. I feel totally blessed that I had her
as my mother -in -law. I just loved her so much.
So that bond that happened, I felt like I went
for her too. So I felt like I was really lucky
to just not only meet him, but her too. What
a gift. Yeah, that bond doesn't always take a
long time. when it's something so significant
like that. Yes. But it can happen just sort of
from a moment's thing. Tell me about these blue
beings that were kind of like doctors. Can you
explain any more what they look like, where they
were, what the heck they were doing? They look
like they would look blue in color to me. They
look very tall. They look like a medical team.
They looked like they were dressed in blue scrubs.
everything about them, but they weren't people,
although they were human -looking. Their movements
were incredibly fast. It's hard for me to describe
how they moved, but everything was energy. And
years have gone by, but when we spoke about this
in 2015 at an International Association of Near
-Death Studies conference, at the end of it,
I was scared to even talk about it because I
was like, I don't really know. We'll think you're
you know, it's already a crazy enough story add
in this and at the end of the conference That's
when one their researchers came up and said we've
been hearing about these blue beings all over
the world and that's when I began to research
that so I am working on a book about that right
now Eric because I'm with the focus specifically
on healing blue beings because they're There
appears to be a group of these beings known in
the Native American community, in the Jewish
community, and in the general community. And
we got to meet some people who have had encounters
with these blue beings and near death experiences.
And that's kind of where my focus is going to
be because I mean, I can't say that I know who
they are, and I don't know that anyone can. I
do not feel that they're planetary -based. I
feel that they're dimensional beings, and I'm
working on trying to understand that more. But
as I've done the research and hearing more and
more about them and the healing work that they're
doing, it seems to me these are healing helpers
from another side, and that's their entire focus.
the gift that they're bringing to humanity is
a beautiful thing. So I want to, as a researcher,
I want to understand it more, you know, and not
claim to know because I don't. And I don't think
anyone can really say, I can only say the byproduct
of this experience is David's kidneys are completely
healed and there's no medical explanation for
it. I like the term that you used, helpers, because
You know, we look at these things, any miracles,
as being through the power of God. Well, maybe,
just maybe, I don't know, you don't know, but
maybe he has helpers that help him do some of
these things that we call miracles and that we
don't understand. With that, yes. Oh, yes. And
that was when I said the prayer in this dimension
or any other. I felt like those words opened
up a portal to to God's creative hand. My puny
little human self can't even comprehend what
what is out there. When you think there's billions
and billions of universes and galaxies and we're
just one tiny little one. How could we possibly
say we know everything? We don't. Or that we're
alone in the universe. Obviously we're not that
would be logically Kind of wrong. Yeah doesn't
make any sense Scarlett I appreciate your time
so much and all of these insights and If people
want to hear more about the whole love story,
you have a book we met on the other side I'll
put a link down in the show notes and Wow, thanks
for sharing all this because it's all about hope
and love it is. Thank you, Eric Thanks again
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