WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.070 greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back 00:00:33.070 --> 00:00:36.710 home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. 00:00:38.810 --> 00:00:41.810 I'd like to welcome today our really special 00:00:41.810 --> 00:00:45.090 guest, Lynn Arches Rapaport. How are you, Lynn? 00:00:45.509 --> 00:00:49.109 Good. Thank you for having me. We've been threatening 00:00:49.109 --> 00:00:51.390 to get together for a long time. I'm glad we 00:00:51.390 --> 00:00:55.289 can finally do it today. Today's good. A good 00:00:55.289 --> 00:00:58.130 day to do it. People are going to love to hear 00:00:58.130 --> 00:01:01.049 your story. I'll just tease it a little bit. 00:01:01.049 --> 00:01:04.870 It has something to do with surfing and the ocean. 00:01:05.310 --> 00:01:07.629 And that all sounds wonderful. Before we jump 00:01:07.629 --> 00:01:10.469 into it, let's just get to know you a little 00:01:10.469 --> 00:01:13.909 bit. If you don't mind, tell us about Lynn. Okay. 00:01:14.329 --> 00:01:17.430 Well, I live in Massachusetts. I'm a mother of 00:01:17.430 --> 00:01:21.870 three and a grandmother of two. So my three children 00:01:21.870 --> 00:01:26.170 are adults and they're mid, early, mid thirties, 00:01:26.409 --> 00:01:30.560 soon to be 40. And my grandchildren, Seven and 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:33.519 two and I'm also a teacher. I've been teaching 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:37.500 and mentoring teachers I teach chemistry and 00:01:37.500 --> 00:01:41.219 math and I've also Mentored teachers over the 00:01:41.219 --> 00:01:44.579 years and phenomenology and I believe it was 00:01:44.579 --> 00:01:48.760 Bridget cook birch that Referred you to us and 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:53.040 we appreciate her for that She was great. She 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:56.219 was on the show about a month or so ago and and 00:01:56.219 --> 00:02:00.290 really Beautiful she has an amazing story beautiful 00:02:00.290 --> 00:02:02.370 work that she's doing just a beautiful human 00:02:02.370 --> 00:02:06.790 being. Yeah Well, that's why you work with her, 00:02:06.790 --> 00:02:10.229 right? That's right. I Can't imagine working 00:02:10.229 --> 00:02:12.250 with anybody else unless they're beautiful human 00:02:12.250 --> 00:02:15.590 beings All right. Well, I think we ought to jump 00:02:15.590 --> 00:02:19.169 right into it. Take us back a few years Tell 00:02:19.169 --> 00:02:22.509 us where you were and what led up to that faithful 00:02:22.509 --> 00:02:27.430 day. Yeah a few years boy. That was probably 00:02:27.430 --> 00:02:32.009 almost 50 years ago, 48 years ago. I was trying 00:02:32.009 --> 00:02:35.810 not to expose that side of you. Thank you. I 00:02:35.810 --> 00:02:39.090 appreciate that. But the truth is the truth. 00:02:40.310 --> 00:02:43.009 And I was surfing with my boyfriend. We were 00:02:43.009 --> 00:02:46.629 in Puerto Rico. He had already gone out. He was 00:02:46.629 --> 00:02:49.590 surfing and I was kind of new at surfing at that 00:02:49.590 --> 00:02:53.330 time. So I took my time watching the waves, kind 00:02:53.330 --> 00:02:55.849 of snorkeling around to see what was on the bottom. 00:02:56.060 --> 00:03:00.439 of the ocean where we were staying. So when I 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.680 went out, I misjudged the waves, and I got caught 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:08.139 on an inside set of waves, which means that, 00:03:08.139 --> 00:03:10.939 you know, waves break in sets. They might come 00:03:10.939 --> 00:03:15.159 in four, six, or eight. There might be a kind 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:18.319 of a lull in between the waves, making it seem 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:21.039 like maybe there's only four waves to a set. 00:03:21.289 --> 00:03:23.909 and which is kind of what I had misjudged, thinking 00:03:23.909 --> 00:03:26.629 that there were four to six waves to a set, and 00:03:26.629 --> 00:03:29.430 there were actually about eight to 12 waves a 00:03:29.430 --> 00:03:31.729 set, and they were pretty big. I thought they 00:03:31.729 --> 00:03:35.509 were about four to six feet, about shoulder height, 00:03:35.590 --> 00:03:38.069 which is about what I could surf, but they were 00:03:38.069 --> 00:03:40.550 much bigger, and they were very, very powerful, 00:03:40.870 --> 00:03:43.669 and they call Puerto Rico Little Hawaii because 00:03:43.669 --> 00:03:48.139 it's very similar. reef bottom and the, you know, 00:03:48.259 --> 00:03:50.479 the thickness of the waves. So when those waves 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:52.939 really hit you, feels like a ton of bricks are 00:03:52.939 --> 00:03:56.639 falling on me. I got pushed under the water and 00:03:56.639 --> 00:04:00.139 basically I had a, it was a drowning experience 00:04:00.139 --> 00:04:03.520 that I had had. And I was pulled up out of my 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:06.620 body. And when I was pulled up out of my body, 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:13.599 I... could see what was going on below me and 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:17.800 I could also see in front of me my father that 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:21.660 I grew up with. I could see a tunnel with a shadowy 00:04:21.660 --> 00:04:24.560 being and I could see Jesus on the other side 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:27.980 of the tunnel and then there was this white very 00:04:27.980 --> 00:04:32.319 white light that was it kind of reminded me of 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:35.360 lightning but in that moment when I was experiencing 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:39.980 it I felt like this is God this is the all -powerful 00:04:39.980 --> 00:04:43.120 and I was put on this bench that I was kind of 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:48.360 hovering over an old old rickety kind of a bench 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:53.439 and I was put in front of a old -fashioned white 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:57.639 screen with a projector that was in back of me 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:00.600 that was showing me my life review from that 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:06.319 moment all the way to I was told by this voice 00:05:06.649 --> 00:05:09.689 That it was my time to be born and I didn't want 00:05:09.689 --> 00:05:12.569 to be born and they had said but you had asked 00:05:12.569 --> 00:05:15.629 for these parents for the lessons that you needed 00:05:15.629 --> 00:05:20.230 to learn and then At that time I was thinking 00:05:20.230 --> 00:05:23.850 well, maybe it might not be too bad to go through 00:05:23.850 --> 00:05:28.149 that tunnel and Then I was told that it wasn't 00:05:28.149 --> 00:05:31.449 my time And then I was shot back down into my 00:05:31.449 --> 00:05:34.629 body where I was told to go back and tell everybody 00:05:34.939 --> 00:05:38.000 to share the story that I had experienced and 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:43.800 to also tell people that I am that I am. So that, 00:05:43.899 --> 00:05:46.199 I mean, that's a little bit of a short version 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:50.319 of the experience. There was a lot of, I would 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.560 say phenomena that, I mean, looking back, I can 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:55.860 say that it was kind of a phenomena that I was 00:05:55.860 --> 00:05:58.660 experienced, just the warmth and the love that 00:05:58.660 --> 00:06:01.560 was so overwhelming because I grew up, you know, 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:03.980 with my father thinking that he never loved me. 00:06:04.139 --> 00:06:07.519 When I was in front of Him and I was experiencing 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:13.040 His beingness, I just felt this immense love 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:15.579 coming from Him. And it was really very confusing 00:06:15.579 --> 00:06:18.220 for me because I thought that He never loved 00:06:18.220 --> 00:06:20.720 me. And then, of course, there was love coming 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:24.160 from Jesus, and I always felt that I was loved 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:30.279 by Jesus. And then there were these entities 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:33.040 or beings that were down at the end of the tunnel. 00:06:33.310 --> 00:06:36.389 And they were kind of chanting and saying, you 00:06:36.389 --> 00:06:39.750 know, through telepathic, asking the question, 00:06:39.870 --> 00:06:43.370 is she coming? Is she coming? And this shadowy 00:06:43.370 --> 00:06:46.829 being that kept walking up and down the tunnel 00:06:46.829 --> 00:06:50.730 that I saw where these beings were at the end 00:06:50.730 --> 00:06:54.490 of it would come up and ask my father, is she 00:06:54.490 --> 00:06:57.290 coming? And then he would look over at Jesus 00:06:57.290 --> 00:07:01.110 and Jesus would say, patience. And then he would 00:07:01.110 --> 00:07:05.129 tell the shadowy being, not now, and then he 00:07:05.129 --> 00:07:08.329 would go down and tell this group of beings that 00:07:08.329 --> 00:07:11.370 were waiting for me at the end, asking, is she 00:07:11.370 --> 00:07:15.550 coming? Is she coming? That experience, observing 00:07:15.550 --> 00:07:18.129 that happening, I would say probably happened 00:07:18.129 --> 00:07:21.649 three or four times. As I'm viewing my life review 00:07:21.649 --> 00:07:25.769 also in front of me, as I'm also seeing people 00:07:25.769 --> 00:07:29.310 gather below trying to rescue me, somebody had 00:07:29.310 --> 00:07:32.660 yelled. Hey, there's a woman over there drowning. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.699 Let's go save her. So there's about four people, 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:39.160 four to five people that had lined up, risking 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.519 their lives to go out into the ocean to save 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:47.439 me. When I was brought back down into my body 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:50.720 and then I popped back up out of the water, there 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:52.879 was a young gentleman who said, you know, give 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:56.420 me your hand and had passed me down, down the 00:07:56.420 --> 00:07:59.420 chain of people that had formed. and laid me 00:07:59.420 --> 00:08:03.180 on the ground and somebody had called my boyfriend 00:08:03.180 --> 00:08:06.860 out of the water at that time and he had come 00:08:06.860 --> 00:08:11.439 up to the beach and I was trying to talk to him 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.399 about what it was that I was experiencing and 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.540 he had gotten his head kind of close to my face 00:08:17.540 --> 00:08:19.959 and said, don't ever tell anybody that because 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:22.240 they'll think you're crazy and lock you up in 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:26.769 a mental institution. Ah, the 70s and 80s, where 00:08:26.769 --> 00:08:29.990 everyone thought you were crazy if you said something 00:08:29.990 --> 00:08:33.230 about your near -death experience. I appreciate 00:08:33.230 --> 00:08:36.929 the short version, but I want as much more detail 00:08:36.929 --> 00:08:40.149 as you can also give us, if you don't mind. Sure. 00:08:40.690 --> 00:08:43.330 And then we'll come back to what happened in 00:08:43.330 --> 00:08:46.809 the saving portion. Does that sound good? Sure, 00:08:47.149 --> 00:08:52.920 yeah. I can relate to these waves, okay? When 00:08:52.920 --> 00:08:55.840 I was a kid, I lived in Hawaii. I got pounded 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:59.659 by plenty of waves. And there are times where 00:08:59.659 --> 00:09:02.820 you're being held down. There are times where 00:09:02.820 --> 00:09:05.399 you're trying to swim towards shore and you're 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.620 actually going backwards out. And it's really 00:09:08.620 --> 00:09:11.700 easy to panic. It's really easy to get afraid. 00:09:13.019 --> 00:09:16.179 In the sort of act of drowning, how were you 00:09:16.179 --> 00:09:20.340 feeling? Was it fear? Oh, for sure. There was 00:09:20.340 --> 00:09:23.740 a moment where I realized that, oh my gosh, I'm 00:09:23.740 --> 00:09:27.419 drowning. And if I get pushed under and I go 00:09:27.419 --> 00:09:30.220 in one of those caves, I'm never gonna be able 00:09:30.220 --> 00:09:33.820 to come back up. And I remember praying, please 00:09:33.820 --> 00:09:36.700 God, don't let me drown. Please let me get out 00:09:36.700 --> 00:09:39.919 of this. I felt like, I mean, I just couldn't 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:41.860 breathe. I couldn't catch a breath. Every time 00:09:41.860 --> 00:09:46.299 I would pop back up, I was gasping for air. And 00:09:46.299 --> 00:09:50.320 there was this kind of rocky cliff that I was 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.279 thinking that if I could just get over to this 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.620 rocky cliff and climb up it, then I'll be okay. 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:00.220 And finally there was a wave that did come. and 00:10:00.220 --> 00:10:02.659 push me up against the cliff. And I was climbing 00:10:02.659 --> 00:10:05.399 up it. And at the time as I was climbing, there 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:08.559 were sea urchins. It was just loaded with sea 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:11.399 urchins and shells and all these. I could hear 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:15.179 the sea urchins cracking off into my body and 00:10:15.179 --> 00:10:17.960 the wave. And I was praying, please, God, don't 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:21.000 take me. I'm not worthy to go. I haven't done 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:24.240 enough in your name. Please don't take me. And 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:26.759 it was at that moment that I was pulled up out 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:34.179 of my body and I Was I remember Observing that 00:10:34.179 --> 00:10:37.659 I was three. I was like these three entities. 00:10:38.100 --> 00:10:41.779 I Was the space that I could clearly see I mean 00:10:41.779 --> 00:10:44.419 I was like an observer observing all three of 00:10:44.419 --> 00:10:47.799 these entities I was this kind of face I could 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:51.059 see my body below drowning trying to get out 00:10:51.059 --> 00:10:54.360 of the waves and trying to climb up this this 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.220 reef with all the coral or sea urchins and then 00:10:58.220 --> 00:11:02.480 I saw This kind of like a cloudy version of me 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:07.840 immediately go over to the divine to this light 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:12.200 that reminded me of like a a sharp lightning 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:16.820 bolt and and sit right away on this or at least 00:11:16.820 --> 00:11:20.399 hover not really said but hover over this bench 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.399 and I just remember it kind of Experiencing that 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:28.379 for a split second and then my face entity joined 00:11:28.379 --> 00:11:32.879 this cloudy version that I call the spirit. I 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:36.580 mean, I feel like that was my spirit self joining 00:11:36.580 --> 00:11:39.659 the divine right away. And then there was my 00:11:39.659 --> 00:11:43.460 soul and my personality that had left my body 00:11:43.460 --> 00:11:46.820 and separated from my spirit and then joined 00:11:46.820 --> 00:11:51.080 it again because I wasn't dead or I was hovering 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:53.500 on whether I was going to die or not, I guess, 00:11:53.740 --> 00:11:57.519 and then seeing my physical body. Also at the 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:01.759 same time, I mean I was seeing in my life review 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:06.820 Just little things I might have said or did that 00:12:06.820 --> 00:12:09.340 Might have made people uncomfortable and what 00:12:09.340 --> 00:12:13.559 I could I just remember feeling this icky feeling 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.919 in my in my stomach even though I didn't have 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.100 a stomach but Because my physical body was on 00:12:20.100 --> 00:12:23.720 the ground that I just remember feeling kind 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:26.240 of icky about some of the things that I might 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.279 have said to somebody to hurt their feelings 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:32.159 or to do. And then I just felt like I had this 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:36.799 whole vision of what was happening at the same 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:38.860 time. All this stuff is going on at the same 00:12:38.860 --> 00:12:41.580 time that I'm aware of it. And then I was aware 00:12:41.580 --> 00:12:45.659 that there were like animals from Africa, like 00:12:45.659 --> 00:12:50.159 giraffes and lions and tigers and they just all 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.559 were running. and they were running away from 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.659 a fire. And then I remember seeing women and 00:12:56.659 --> 00:12:58.399 children, they look like they might have been 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.960 from India, and that they were dying because 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:05.500 they didn't have clean, safe water to drink or 00:13:05.500 --> 00:13:09.120 to cleanse themselves with. And so when I came 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:12.080 back into my body, of course, I'm just overwhelmed. 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:16.320 And I just remember the first thing that I said 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.460 to my boyfriend was that I saw God in Jesus. 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:23.120 And what was his initial reaction? Was that the 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:27.179 crazy or did something else hit him first? I 00:13:27.179 --> 00:13:30.639 think the fact that he said that I saw God in 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:34.580 Jesus, I think that was his initial reaction. 00:13:35.220 --> 00:13:37.879 And then trying to mumble other things that I 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.860 had experienced, his initial reaction was, people 00:13:41.860 --> 00:13:44.019 are going to think you're crazy. Don't tell them 00:13:44.019 --> 00:13:46.639 that. They'll lock you up. I mean, back then 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:49.659 people would have Obviously, I thought I was, 00:13:49.659 --> 00:13:54.419 you know, crazy. Tell me more detail about seeing 00:13:54.419 --> 00:14:01.360 God in Jesus. So Jesus was, I mean, all of these 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.700 entities that I experienced, except for God, 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:08.299 who was this light, lightning, white light. Jesus 00:14:08.299 --> 00:14:11.700 was kind of in a cloudy formation, kind of floating 00:14:11.700 --> 00:14:15.820 next on my right hand side, next to the tunnel. 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:21.700 And he wasn't the Christ. I remember him as Jesus. 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:27.139 Jesus as the young man that I had learned about 00:14:27.139 --> 00:14:31.279 in my catechism classes. And then there was my 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.679 father. And so Jesus was dressed in these cloudy 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:39.039 type of colors that were all kind of coming together 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:45.490 and gold and blue and pink. And my father had 00:14:45.490 --> 00:14:50.370 more of earth tones of brown, light brown and 00:14:50.370 --> 00:14:53.649 tan. And then there was that shadowy being that 00:14:53.649 --> 00:14:59.210 had a real clear Elvis type of hairstyle. And 00:14:59.210 --> 00:15:02.470 he seemed to know my father, actually, the two 00:15:02.470 --> 00:15:05.570 of them. Energetically, I could feel like they 00:15:05.570 --> 00:15:08.049 knew each other. There was something there that 00:15:08.049 --> 00:15:10.929 connected with the two of them. And who was that? 00:15:11.129 --> 00:15:13.669 I write about that in my book, actually. I don't 00:15:13.669 --> 00:15:16.409 discover that for years and years and years until 00:15:16.409 --> 00:15:20.429 afterwards. But I go into great detail in my 00:15:20.429 --> 00:15:23.250 book about who that shadowy being is. But I mean, 00:15:23.889 --> 00:15:26.470 I was kind of afraid. I didn't know what I was 00:15:26.470 --> 00:15:29.889 going through. I was like, you know, I'm scared. 00:15:30.210 --> 00:15:33.230 Jesus was like, I was getting the message from 00:15:33.230 --> 00:15:38.600 him. Everything's OK. It's OK. It's okay, and 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:42.580 it was just such a warmth of love That I was 00:15:42.580 --> 00:15:44.799 feeling I just felt like I was totally surrounded 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:47.740 by warmth and love and that I could just kind 00:15:47.740 --> 00:15:52.019 of let go and not Be afraid not you know to be 00:15:52.019 --> 00:15:55.820 okay with whatever was going to happen which 00:15:55.820 --> 00:15:58.840 In that short amount of time towards the end. 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:03.220 I felt like okay All right, I can do this can 00:16:03.220 --> 00:16:05.879 walk down that that tunnel and that's when I 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:09.200 was told that It's not my time and I have to 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:12.399 go back and share my story with everybody and 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.840 tell everyone that I am that I am What does that 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.039 mean? I am that I am exactly. What does that 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.639 mean? I mean that took Pondering on that for 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.340 years and years I mean you grow I grew up the 00:16:24.340 --> 00:16:27.120 bush the burning bush right talking to Moses 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.960 But I think for me what that means is I am that 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:36.610 I am is that God is everything, is all one. We're 00:16:36.610 --> 00:16:40.330 a part of God. We're a part of each other. We're 00:16:40.330 --> 00:16:44.950 all related. We're all connected. We're all one. 00:16:45.429 --> 00:16:49.870 Whether it's spiritually, physically, physics, 00:16:50.309 --> 00:16:52.850 you know, if you look at physics, chemistry, 00:16:53.690 --> 00:16:59.309 biologically, but all sentient beings, all are 00:16:59.309 --> 00:17:02.740 connected. It's kind of like a big spidery web 00:17:02.740 --> 00:17:06.180 and we can feel what's going on energetically 00:17:06.180 --> 00:17:10.539 from one side to the other. We all know vibrationally 00:17:10.539 --> 00:17:13.359 and energetically that there's something else 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:18.240 there besides just us. So for me, I am means 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:23.099 that I am God. I am connected to God. I am just 00:17:23.099 --> 00:17:26.240 a drop in the ocean and that God's the ocean 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:29.799 and I'm a drop along with many other beings. 00:17:30.250 --> 00:17:35.329 Hmm. That's really cool. You mentioned that there 00:17:35.329 --> 00:17:38.269 were beings at the end of the tunnel that were 00:17:38.269 --> 00:17:41.750 chanting. What's your insight on that? Who do 00:17:41.750 --> 00:17:45.170 you think they were and what did they want? I 00:17:45.170 --> 00:17:48.170 think they were a welcoming committee, kind of 00:17:48.170 --> 00:17:55.420 welcoming me there. If so, they were relatives, 00:17:55.420 --> 00:17:59.559 ancestors, or friends that I had known from somewhere 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:02.839 in my past before that had all come together 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:06.339 to welcome me to wherever it was I was going 00:18:06.339 --> 00:18:09.660 to be going. Were they disappointed that you 00:18:09.660 --> 00:18:12.799 weren't able to go at that time? I don't know 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.559 to be honest. I don't think so. As soon as I 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:18.460 thought about joining them, I was gone. There 00:18:18.460 --> 00:18:22.799 wasn't any other time for me to pick up. what 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:25.039 else what's going on what my father might have 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:28.799 thought what Jesus or The shadowy being or the 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:32.000 entities at the end of the tunnel I'm wondering 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.039 about a couple of things in your life review 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:37.660 also. I've had these explained to me so many 00:18:37.660 --> 00:18:42.200 different ways But the whole idea of a screen 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:45.440 where you're seeing things is kind of universal 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:47.240 and the screen may look different to different 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:52.299 people but what You don't need to get into any 00:18:52.299 --> 00:18:54.380 things that maybe you feel bad about, but what 00:18:54.380 --> 00:18:57.819 kinds of things were you seeing and what kinds 00:18:57.819 --> 00:19:01.259 of feelings were you experiencing guilt? You 00:19:01.259 --> 00:19:03.380 mentioned you were feeling kind of sick to your 00:19:03.380 --> 00:19:07.779 stomach. What else? Well, I just, I remember 00:19:07.779 --> 00:19:10.960 feeling like I wasn't such a great older sister. 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:13.640 I was a bitch and I was kind of mean towards 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:17.380 my four brothers that basically I was in charge 00:19:17.380 --> 00:19:21.099 of. 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Upgrade your entire sleep experience 00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:24.079 at birchliving .com slash round trip. Because 00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:27.319 I was young, I didn't have a lot of experience 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:31.700 to experience. But a couple of significant ones 00:21:31.700 --> 00:21:35.660 were this one young girl in high school. I just 00:21:35.660 --> 00:21:38.640 remember sitting at the back of in the back of 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:43.519 the class and seeing where I had called out and 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:47.559 made fun of her last name and just kind of seeing 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:51.920 her shoulders slump and just how ridiculed and 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:55.640 shameful she felt that I was feeling. There was 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:59.480 a young neighbor, didn't have much money, needed 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:03.019 to go to a wedding. She had a child. And we went 00:22:03.019 --> 00:22:05.759 looking for a dress for her to go to a wedding 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:08.400 at the mall at the time. She couldn't afford 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:10.380 to buy it. And I said, well, why not? Let's just 00:22:10.380 --> 00:22:13.059 go ahead. I'll take it. And so I took the dress 00:22:13.059 --> 00:22:16.599 off the rack and stole it and put it in the the 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:20.799 baby carriage, well, we got caught. And because 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:26.440 she was Hispanic and I was white, she was found 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:30.960 guilty and I was found innocent. And just how 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.660 that slowed up her life and made it difficult 00:22:34.660 --> 00:22:37.440 for her. But yeah, those are, I mean, those are 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:40.920 probably the three big, big ones. And then the 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:44.880 other thing was, I think for me, was this, I, 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:47.259 because I was so angry at my parents. It was 00:22:47.259 --> 00:22:49.940 a very dysfunctional family. My mother was an 00:22:49.940 --> 00:22:54.220 incest victim, you know, never, never really 00:22:54.220 --> 00:22:59.000 recovered from that. And my father I grew up 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:02.519 with was an alcoholic. And, you know, they were 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:05.480 two traumatized people trying to raise children 00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:08.700 together without having worked through any of 00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:11.769 their trauma. And there was a lot of anger, there 00:23:11.769 --> 00:23:13.750 was a lot of hitting, there was a lot of yelling. 00:23:14.529 --> 00:23:19.309 So I just remember when I had been told that 00:23:19.309 --> 00:23:23.410 I had chosen these parents, that was huge for 00:23:23.410 --> 00:23:26.410 me. That I had actually chosen these parents 00:23:26.410 --> 00:23:30.309 because I needed to incarnate through them in 00:23:30.309 --> 00:23:33.009 order to learn the lessons I needed to learn, 00:23:33.049 --> 00:23:37.470 which were resilience and perseverance for me 00:23:37.470 --> 00:23:42.259 in this lifetime. So I looked at them totally 00:23:42.259 --> 00:23:46.680 different, more compassionate, and I understood 00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:49.619 that they were trying to do the best that they 00:23:49.619 --> 00:23:52.559 could with the tools that they had. Not that 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:56.460 that excused some of their behavior towards me, 00:23:57.099 --> 00:24:01.940 but it made me understand that I could have compassion 00:24:01.940 --> 00:24:06.259 for them because I understood that they had limited 00:24:06.259 --> 00:24:09.079 resources. They were doing, I mean, the fact 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:11.519 that I had, you know, eight children had a roof 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:13.460 over their head and food in their stomach, that 00:24:13.460 --> 00:24:16.720 was huge. You know, my mom growing up used to 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:18.759 always say, be lucky you have a roof over your 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.000 head and food in your stomach. And it was right. 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.599 That's all they could really do, you know, is 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:28.279 really be able to do that. Tell me how you came 00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:31.660 to this realization. Was this something that 00:24:31.660 --> 00:24:36.019 Jesus told you or? How did you come to know this 00:24:36.019 --> 00:24:38.680 thing about your parents and how you chose them? 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.460 That was part of my life review. That was the 00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:45.259 end of my life review where I was told by this 00:24:45.259 --> 00:24:49.460 voice, I don't know if it was God, I don't know 00:24:49.460 --> 00:24:54.099 if it was an angel or Jesus. I don't think it 00:24:54.099 --> 00:24:57.319 was Jesus because when I was experiencing Jesus 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.920 in my near death, this was Jesus the teacher, 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:04.970 it wasn't Jesus the Christ. I just was told in 00:25:04.970 --> 00:25:08.930 my life review that it was time for me to be 00:25:08.930 --> 00:25:11.849 born and I had asked for these parents. That's 00:25:11.849 --> 00:25:15.049 when, and it took me, I'm not saying I came to 00:25:15.049 --> 00:25:17.210 it overnight that all of a sudden, I mean it 00:25:17.210 --> 00:25:19.609 was very confusing. It took years and years and 00:25:19.609 --> 00:25:23.250 especially during those times of the 70s and 00:25:23.250 --> 00:25:25.950 80s where, I mean I didn't even know, you couldn't 00:25:25.950 --> 00:25:28.799 even get a book that you could. Find out that 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:31.539 it was a near -death experience because that 00:25:31.539 --> 00:25:34.059 word had not even been coined by Raymond Moody 00:25:34.059 --> 00:25:37.700 yet It wasn't until the 70s mid 70s. I think 00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:42.680 that Raymond Moody coined a near -death experience 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:47.940 Yeah That's true. It was mid 70s. So did you 00:25:47.940 --> 00:25:51.180 grow up? Catholic you mentioned Catholic school 00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:56.089 I did My mom converted to being a Catholic and 00:25:56.089 --> 00:26:01.190 we went to catechism. I went to catechism. I 00:26:01.190 --> 00:26:03.849 went to a Catholic school until fifth grade and 00:26:03.849 --> 00:26:07.470 then public school, but then had to go to a catechism 00:26:07.470 --> 00:26:11.289 class every Friday. So I'm just curious of the 00:26:11.289 --> 00:26:15.430 things that you experienced, especially being 00:26:15.430 --> 00:26:18.509 out of body and the things that you saw and experienced. 00:26:18.970 --> 00:26:22.210 Were they in line with what you had learned in 00:26:22.210 --> 00:26:26.009 catechism? Were they different? Is this part 00:26:26.009 --> 00:26:28.670 of why it's taken you so long to process all 00:26:28.670 --> 00:26:31.630 of this? Yeah, that's a really good question 00:26:31.630 --> 00:26:35.390 because one of the concepts that I had struggled 00:26:35.390 --> 00:26:40.230 with for years was, is this a memory? Is your 00:26:40.230 --> 00:26:44.609 brain trying to remember their last memories 00:26:44.609 --> 00:26:50.190 before you die that's imprinted? as you're going 00:26:50.190 --> 00:26:53.490 through this experience, is that just some memory 00:26:53.490 --> 00:27:01.089 that's still living? And I don't remember, I 00:27:01.089 --> 00:27:04.349 mean, it might've been, I don't know, to tell 00:27:04.349 --> 00:27:07.049 you the truth. I mean, the only thing I knew 00:27:07.049 --> 00:27:12.069 about the I am that I am was I had vaguely heard 00:27:12.069 --> 00:27:15.569 that that's what the Bush told Moses, and that 00:27:15.569 --> 00:27:20.779 Moses, the Bush, The burning bush was God. I 00:27:20.779 --> 00:27:23.200 mean, even to this day, you know, is this really 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.579 what I am that I am means? I mean, a lot of people 00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:29.880 have different ideas about what it means to them. 00:27:29.900 --> 00:27:32.319 And I think as an individual, it's different 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:36.380 for everybody. But I think that I was able to 00:27:36.380 --> 00:27:40.319 embrace that it was something that really happened 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:44.299 to me because of my upbringing as a Catholic. 00:27:44.509 --> 00:27:48.349 because of my belief and because I believe that 00:27:48.349 --> 00:27:51.789 Jesus was always with me. I knew that I was always 00:27:51.789 --> 00:27:55.089 going to be loved no matter what. I feel that 00:27:55.089 --> 00:27:58.809 that helped me make it real, that experience 00:27:58.809 --> 00:28:02.730 real to me. But it took a long time for me to 00:28:02.730 --> 00:28:06.230 be comfortable, to be able to talk about it because 00:28:06.230 --> 00:28:08.930 honestly, I didn't know if I was going crazy, 00:28:08.990 --> 00:28:13.440 if I was making things up or if I just was imagining 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:19.700 all this as part of, you know, drowning or, but 00:28:19.700 --> 00:28:23.599 then after I did, you know, my research and I 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:25.539 mean, over the years, I've done a lot of research 00:28:25.539 --> 00:28:28.640 and I became a member of IONS, the International 00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.400 Association of Near Death Conference. I've had 00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:36.400 three PhDs. Students do studies on near death 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:40.039 experiences. Anyways, it's worked out to where 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.809 I've It's like you said, I've kind of ticked 00:28:42.809 --> 00:28:47.269 off all the little spots that make this known 00:28:47.269 --> 00:28:50.730 that this is what other people have shared with 00:28:50.730 --> 00:28:53.849 similarities that this is a near -death experience. 00:28:54.309 --> 00:28:56.390 I might not have died on the operating table 00:28:56.390 --> 00:28:59.750 and been out of it for 20 minutes or something, 00:29:00.009 --> 00:29:03.390 but my experience was definitely an out -of -body. 00:29:04.469 --> 00:29:07.369 Experience that I probably was taken out of my 00:29:07.369 --> 00:29:10.450 body before the actual drowning incident, but 00:29:10.450 --> 00:29:14.589 I definitely was drowning. Oh Yeah, and that 00:29:14.589 --> 00:29:16.970 happens a lot when there are things that are 00:29:16.970 --> 00:29:21.009 really traumatizing ways of dying Horrible traffic 00:29:21.009 --> 00:29:24.349 accidents things like that. I hear this all the 00:29:24.349 --> 00:29:28.190 time so that you don't necessarily have to experience 00:29:28.190 --> 00:29:31.369 all of it Alright, I want to get back to physically 00:29:31.369 --> 00:29:33.269 what happened with the people that saved you 00:29:33.269 --> 00:29:35.630 and stuff. But before I do, was there anything 00:29:35.630 --> 00:29:38.049 else from the experience you wanted to fill in 00:29:38.049 --> 00:29:41.730 that I didn't ask about? I think I pretty much 00:29:41.730 --> 00:29:45.269 got everything. Hey, you did great. Thank you. 00:29:45.529 --> 00:29:48.430 Okay, so these wonderful people decide we're 00:29:48.430 --> 00:29:51.970 gonna go out, we're gonna save her. How did that 00:29:51.970 --> 00:29:55.750 work? It was like it was in slow motion because 00:29:55.750 --> 00:29:59.470 I was observing. People coming down running down 00:29:59.470 --> 00:30:02.710 the beach coming together lining up creating 00:30:02.710 --> 00:30:07.069 a line because they had to go out up, you know 00:30:07.069 --> 00:30:10.609 on this rock that I Was getting banged up against 00:30:10.609 --> 00:30:14.009 that I had climbed up to a point and then was 00:30:14.009 --> 00:30:17.410 taken out of my body But when I was thrown back 00:30:17.410 --> 00:30:19.769 into my body and I was washing up against the 00:30:19.769 --> 00:30:25.049 rocks They had formed a line and this probably 00:30:25.049 --> 00:30:28.680 a surfer Said, you know hit give me your hand 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.420 when I pop back up out of the water and then 00:30:31.420 --> 00:30:35.779 they Just kind of toted me down the line and 00:30:35.779 --> 00:30:39.200 then the last person Which happened to be a woman 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:42.299 actually kind of carried me over to the sand 00:30:42.299 --> 00:30:45.980 and I just remember laying down on the sand and 00:30:45.980 --> 00:30:49.200 A woman with a white towel came up to me and 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.960 she was trying to give me this white towel And 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:53.880 I said, oh no, I don't want to get blood or anything 00:30:54.190 --> 00:30:56.470 all over it. I mean, I didn't know what I look 00:30:56.470 --> 00:30:58.950 like. So she goes, No, no, believe me, you need 00:30:58.950 --> 00:31:02.170 this more than I do. And then I just kind of 00:31:02.170 --> 00:31:06.109 fell on the sand. And then that's when my boyfriend 00:31:06.109 --> 00:31:08.970 came in. And I tried to tell him what was happening 00:31:08.970 --> 00:31:12.349 to me. And then I just passed out. I remember 00:31:12.349 --> 00:31:14.730 hearing somebody say, call the ambulance, call 00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:18.670 the ambulance. So an ambulance came. And then 00:31:18.670 --> 00:31:22.049 I was brought to the hospital, kind of unconscious 00:31:22.049 --> 00:31:24.990 eventually. I woke back up as the doctor and 00:31:24.990 --> 00:31:28.970 my boyfriend were kind of talking over me, thinking 00:31:28.970 --> 00:31:32.170 that I couldn't hear them and stuff. And I woke 00:31:32.170 --> 00:31:35.289 up, kind of stayed there for a few more hours 00:31:35.289 --> 00:31:38.130 to make sure that I was okay and that he had 00:31:38.130 --> 00:31:41.490 recommended that I go back to the States to get 00:31:41.490 --> 00:31:45.230 away from the moisture because I had some deep 00:31:45.230 --> 00:31:49.950 wounds that were on my body that would heal better 00:31:49.950 --> 00:31:55.240 in a dryer. climate, but we had been there for 00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.039 probably four weeks. We were going to be there 00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:00.799 probably for another couple of weeks. So it was 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.519 going back home a little early. So long trip. 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.980 Okay. This next question, this is really not 00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:11.059 important. I'm just curious. You mentioned sea 00:32:11.059 --> 00:32:13.440 urchins all over these rocks. Did you get the 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:18.319 quills stuck in your skin? I did. Yes. Okay. 00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.500 For people that haven't experienced that, how 00:32:20.500 --> 00:32:23.319 do you get rid of them? Well, you know, they 00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:26.339 they actually were broken up underneath my nails 00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:30.099 Type of thing they had broken off in my skin 00:32:30.099 --> 00:32:32.900 And when I of course when I was experiencing 00:32:32.900 --> 00:32:36.140 my life review, I mean there was no pain. I couldn't 00:32:36.140 --> 00:32:40.140 feel anything until That moment on the rock where 00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:42.500 I could hear the crunching and the breaking off 00:32:42.500 --> 00:32:46.119 and feel it but when I was put back in my body 00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:51.160 I Could feel where all these urchin Sea urchins 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.839 had broken off their spines had broken off into 00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.819 me and so in the hospital the doctor pulled out 00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:59.579 underneath my nails because he you know, they 00:32:59.579 --> 00:33:01.859 were wondering if my nails were always kind of 00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:04.099 pink and red like that or if that was due from 00:33:04.099 --> 00:33:07.640 the You know the puncture of the sea urchins 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:13.599 and stuff But you just pull them out Okay And 00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.740 maybe there's different kinds of sea urchins. 00:33:15.740 --> 00:33:18.539 I don't know but I know that quite often these 00:33:18.539 --> 00:33:22.279 quills They go in like let's say in your knees 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:26.359 or something that that hit them and They're often 00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:28.480 in far enough and they're kind of barbed that 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:32.380 they can't really be pulled out and They actually 00:33:32.380 --> 00:33:35.759 absorb and go away after a few weeks or months 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:40.059 Well, I had some in my back and those I know 00:33:40.059 --> 00:33:42.160 there's like a little kind of a hook I think 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.299 at the end of the quill Yeah, they're kind of 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.519 They're kind of barbed. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So 00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:50.519 I don't think they went in that deep. It was 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:55.279 just underneath where the fragment of the quill 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.960 was broken off and embedded in me and in my skin 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.779 and in my legs, my back and stuff. I don't remember 00:34:02.779 --> 00:34:06.660 that I actually a quill went all the way in to 00:34:06.660 --> 00:34:08.239 where it was going to make it difficult to pull 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:10.969 all the way out. Anyway, very often they do. 00:34:10.989 --> 00:34:13.809 They go in, they break off, and then the top 00:34:13.809 --> 00:34:17.269 is below the skin. It's not worth digging around 00:34:17.269 --> 00:34:19.510 to pull them out because they do actually go 00:34:19.510 --> 00:34:23.250 away on their own, but it is not pleasant. Yeah, 00:34:23.250 --> 00:34:24.829 I didn't know that. I didn't know they actually 00:34:24.829 --> 00:34:26.969 went away on their own. That's good to know. 00:34:27.869 --> 00:34:31.510 When we spoke previously, you used the term, 00:34:31.730 --> 00:34:35.070 if I remember right, this was more real than 00:34:35.070 --> 00:34:38.280 real. Do you still feel that way and what did 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.400 you mean by that? I think what I mean by that. 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:46.619 I mean after all these years It seems so vivid 00:34:46.619 --> 00:34:50.219 I can remember everything our memories start 00:34:50.219 --> 00:34:54.760 to fade But this particular or you know our experiences 00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.119 unless it was so traumatic though You know we 00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.679 remember and maybe that's why I remember because 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:03.760 this was pretty traumatic but it just felt like 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:12.570 that What I was experiencing was more of a reality 00:35:12.570 --> 00:35:17.530 of what I experienced here in my body on earth. 00:35:18.670 --> 00:35:23.489 It seemed to be more real. It was more real to 00:35:23.489 --> 00:35:26.989 what I could relate to than what oftentimes I 00:35:26.989 --> 00:35:30.650 can relate to here on earth. I mean, there was 00:35:30.650 --> 00:35:36.500 so much love and warmth. that I was, my whole 00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:40.579 being was in to be surrounded by that. And here 00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:43.440 on earth, it's almost like it's one of those 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.239 rare things you meet somebody that is sincerely 00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:49.679 filled with kindness and love and you want to 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.320 be around them. And you can't be around them 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.739 because they might live halfway across the world 00:35:54.739 --> 00:35:56.940 or something and you get to experience them for 00:35:56.940 --> 00:36:00.099 the moment. But this was a moment that felt like 00:36:00.099 --> 00:36:05.949 it always is like this. always like being in 00:36:05.949 --> 00:36:10.090 this pure love all the time that exists in one 00:36:10.090 --> 00:36:14.690 place. And here on earth, it feels like, you 00:36:14.690 --> 00:36:17.130 know, we're looking, you know, most of us are 00:36:17.130 --> 00:36:19.070 always looking for this. You know, we're looking 00:36:19.070 --> 00:36:21.550 for that love. We're looking for this person, 00:36:21.550 --> 00:36:24.929 you know, to kind of give us that love and to 00:36:24.929 --> 00:36:28.230 make us feel loved and to make us feel better 00:36:28.230 --> 00:36:32.280 as opposed to being in this environment. or this 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.579 experience that I was in, that it just felt like 00:36:35.579 --> 00:36:38.860 this is the way it is all the time. And why wouldn't 00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:42.920 I want to be in a place like this that is like 00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.579 that all the time? I think that really brings 00:36:45.579 --> 00:36:49.639 a lot of comfort to people. If we've lost a loved 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.980 one, people might say to us, oh, they're in a 00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:56.440 better place. And they mean well by that. It 00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:59.980 sounds so trite. but they mean well and I think 00:36:59.980 --> 00:37:03.380 what you just explained helps them realize it 00:37:03.380 --> 00:37:07.619 really is better in so many ways and it's okay 00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:11.099 if they're gone and that we're gone someday. 00:37:11.500 --> 00:37:14.639 How much fear of death do you have? I don't have 00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:21.659 a fear of death. I don't want to have pain. I 00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:24.159 think we all have kind of fear of pain, but I 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:30.119 don't fear death at all. I feel it's something 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:33.760 to look forward to and to work for because I 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:37.199 feel like that we are spiritual beings having 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.519 a human experience and that we've come here to 00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:44.460 learn our lessons. And because I believe in reincarnation, 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.980 I mean, I think it takes many lifetimes to get 00:37:47.980 --> 00:37:52.380 it right. And so I think that we have an opportunity 00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:54.940 to be able to learn as much as we possibly can 00:37:54.940 --> 00:37:58.440 about compassion, kindness, and love, and how 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.039 to treat each other, and not just humans, but 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.079 all sentient beings, Mother Earth, the birds, 00:38:04.219 --> 00:38:07.960 the ants, you know, of just being kind. From 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.440 those experiences, we're preparing this in -between 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.820 place between death and rebirth. So one other 00:38:16.820 --> 00:38:22.619 question. I hear from time to time about reincarnation 00:38:22.619 --> 00:38:26.099 from people that I talk to. I also talk to people 00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:29.039 that don't believe in it. I want you to explain 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.619 something for those that believe in it as they're 00:38:32.619 --> 00:38:35.960 talking to people that don't believe in it. Let's 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:41.519 kind of fill that gap and also the opposite of 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:45.300 that. Do you know what I mean? How do we make 00:38:45.300 --> 00:38:48.780 a bridge between these two beliefs? And that's 00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:52.800 a good question. And well, I think for me, and 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.119 I do know people, I have family members, I have 00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:59.699 friends. I mean, I have a son that doesn't believe 00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:02.119 in reincarnation. He'd like to believe in it. 00:39:02.940 --> 00:39:08.219 But I think just sharing our stories, we all 00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:11.280 have our own individual stories and experiences. 00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.199 And that I find oftentimes by just listening 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:18.329 to each other, that there's a bridge. that we 00:39:18.329 --> 00:39:22.869 can come together and share. For those people 00:39:22.869 --> 00:39:26.250 that don't believe in reincarnation, basically 00:39:26.250 --> 00:39:28.170 they're, I think they're just saying, this is 00:39:28.170 --> 00:39:31.130 it. This is the end of it. You know, I don't 00:39:31.130 --> 00:39:33.769 know where I'm gonna go, but there's nothing 00:39:33.769 --> 00:39:37.389 after that, you know, whatsoever. I think for 00:39:37.389 --> 00:39:39.929 me and for people that believe in reincarnation, 00:39:40.789 --> 00:39:45.130 it gives us hope that our consciousness is going 00:39:45.130 --> 00:39:50.380 to continue. And that also too, that we're going 00:39:50.380 --> 00:39:52.659 to be available, that we're still going to be 00:39:52.659 --> 00:39:54.940 available, even though we might not be in the 00:39:54.940 --> 00:39:59.639 physical plane, but in the etheric plane or the 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.300 afterlife, that we can still be available and 00:40:02.300 --> 00:40:05.280 help those people that we, on earth, our loved 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.500 ones or our friends here on earth also too, to 00:40:08.500 --> 00:40:10.960 kind of help make the right choices and help 00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:14.179 them on their journey of learning. I mean for 00:40:14.179 --> 00:40:17.199 me I'd like to think that this is not just it 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:20.960 and what I experience kind of confirms it for 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:25.500 me that there's much more than this. It's not 00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:28.280 just this physical plane. I really do firmly 00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.699 believe that we are spiritual beings and a physical 00:40:31.699 --> 00:40:34.840 body learning our lesson. Whether you believe 00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.559 that you get a one -time shot and that's it, 00:40:37.940 --> 00:40:41.480 I just think that the lessons that we have to 00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:45.610 learn because of our 12 senses that we experience, 00:40:46.190 --> 00:40:51.170 it's hard to not experience all those senses 00:40:51.170 --> 00:40:53.070 or wanting to experience those senses and then 00:40:53.070 --> 00:40:55.329 have to learn that, oh, you know, it's not good 00:40:55.329 --> 00:40:57.789 to be drinking all the time and become an alcoholic. 00:40:58.150 --> 00:41:00.389 And maybe that might carry over into the next 00:41:00.389 --> 00:41:04.670 life that you have to learn that I need to clean 00:41:04.670 --> 00:41:07.789 that up. What do I need to learn to where I don't 00:41:07.789 --> 00:41:12.079 get swayed by that? Sense when I'm in my next 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.559 life. I think so many people believe what you 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:20.619 have just explained But they don't call it reincarnation. 00:41:20.619 --> 00:41:23.440 Does that make sense? What would it be called? 00:41:24.380 --> 00:41:27.199 An afterlife an eternal life a life that keeps 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.460 going on in some form or another that we don't 00:41:30.460 --> 00:41:33.840 really understand and there may be an afterlife 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.119 that Doesn't necessarily include coming back 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:41.429 to this earth to do it again, right? Right. So 00:41:41.429 --> 00:41:44.570 is that reincarnation or something else? I don't 00:41:44.570 --> 00:41:47.909 know. I don't really care. It's okay. Exactly. 00:41:48.489 --> 00:41:53.190 Yeah. Okay. I appreciate those insights. How's 00:41:53.190 --> 00:41:55.489 the writing of your book coming along? I actually 00:41:55.489 --> 00:41:57.909 have two books now that are finished. My book 00:41:57.909 --> 00:42:01.050 about my memoir and my near -death experience 00:42:01.050 --> 00:42:04.929 in DNA and Tangled is finished. It's with Steiner 00:42:04.929 --> 00:42:08.809 Books Publishing. And I just finished a children's 00:42:08.809 --> 00:42:14.289 book on discernment. I'm working on another book 00:42:14.289 --> 00:42:19.389 about the 12 virtues. You're busy. Try to be. 00:42:20.829 --> 00:42:22.530 Any last thoughts you want to leave us with? 00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:27.550 Yes. Please go to my website and sign up to be 00:42:27.550 --> 00:42:33.050 notified about Entangled at LynnArchesAuthor 00:42:33.050 --> 00:42:37.119 .com. And if you want to shoot me a message you 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:42.900 can email me at Lynn arches author at gmail .com 00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:46.039 Will stick your contact info in the show notes 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.139 so people can look it up in case they're driving 00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:51.559 right now We don't want to be responsible for 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:55.280 any crashes or any near -death experiences. Thanks 00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:59.039 to our Efforts today. Anyway, Lynn, I appreciate 00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.039 you being with me today. I think we've all learned 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:05.519 something. I hope so What have you learned Eric? 00:43:06.659 --> 00:43:10.940 Oh my You know, I don't want to say it's something 00:43:10.940 --> 00:43:13.320 I learned but something that I have been reminded 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:18.519 of today And that is the reality of an afterlife 00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.880 Okay, you said what you experienced was more 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.880 real than real. I really believe after we die 00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:30.880 and the permanent version of die It is a real 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.730 thing we don't need to worry about it because 00:43:34.730 --> 00:43:37.809 it is a real thing and it's going to be a great 00:43:37.809 --> 00:43:41.550 thing and We certainly don't want to end our 00:43:41.550 --> 00:43:44.269 lives here early because we're here to learn 00:43:44.269 --> 00:43:47.869 and experience things But it's also going to 00:43:47.869 --> 00:43:52.809 be wonderful when it's time to move on Yeah That's 00:43:52.809 --> 00:43:56.460 a good that's a good way of putting up Thanks 00:43:56.460 --> 00:43:58.860 again for listening and sharing this podcast. 00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.539 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button 00:44:01.539 --> 00:44:03.980 and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath 00:44:03.980 --> 00:44:07.460 .com. 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