From the time that they pronounced me that was
a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then
they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I
could see people screaming and crying But I didn't
realize that was actually my physical body because
I was somewhere else The only thing that I could
feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace
there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was
greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back
home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.
Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody.
We have a fun guest today, Renee Martin coming
to us from Texas. How are you Renee? Great, great.
Thank you very much for having me. Well, you've
got an interesting story and I think it's a good
time to remind people that every NDE is different.
Oh, I don't need to remind people. I say that
all the time. But yours happened at a young age.
So memories are, you know, are limited. The most
important part is the trajectory that it set
you on your life from there. So we'll be going
through all that. But if you don't mind, if you
could just take one minute and just tell us a
little bit about Renee. And that can be anything
from where you live or your family or anything
so we can get to know you a little bit. Yeah,
sure. So I just moved from Montana to Texas to
be closest to one of my daughters I had two girls
and my youngest is you just recently married
And so I came here to be a little bit closer
and she's in her 30s early 30s My oldest daughter
is in Northern California where I have she's
giving me two beautiful granddaughters So she's
uh her late 30s So just the two girls and me
it's just meet solo, you know I've been going
through so many changes and have been doing a
lot of creative things that I never thought I
would ever do. So the last, I'd say, at least
15 years, I've been doing art. I've been doing
a lot of art and it kind of came out of a death,
my brother's death. So I've been doing that.
It's been going great. Right now I'm in 10th
place for the Johnny Depp competition that's
going on. So I have to be in top 10 to make it
to the next round. So kind of fingers crossed.
We'll see how that goes. And I've also been right.
I've been writing my whole life. I'd love to
write photography. I do a lot of photography.
I stay busy doing a lot of created stuff. Is
that one of your paintings behind you there?
Yeah, that's a it's acrylic core in the background
and then it's the trees are made with glue, hot
glue. So they have a nice texture to them. So
everything goes behind it and then the tree goes
over top. So yeah, that's a really fun piece.
Well, the big question that I have for you is
this. How do you like your new son -in -law?
He's great. But both my girls, this is their
round two. So they definitely did it right the
second time around for both of them. They're
in love with each other. And that's really where
it should be. You know, but when you're young
and I did that because I'm very young and divorce
was a blessing for me. But yeah, he's great both
both of them are well I want to go ahead and
jump right into it Take us back to when you were
just a little girl Wow, you had kind of a rough
upbringing family -wise I don't know how much
of that you want to tell us about but if you
feel like it go ahead and let's lead up to the
fateful day Yeah, so I'll try to nutshell it.
I'm gonna do a little bit before that what actually
happened And so I recently turned 60 in January
and I just needed to write a story. I just needed
to get my life out on paper and I didn't know
why. I wasn't compelled to do it, but I just
felt like I needed to. I was in January. And
I started with age five, but as I started writing
the story, I started remembering things that
my uncle told me. Uncle by friendship, he was
my dad's best friend. He started telling me stories.
My brother used to tell me stories about things.
And I never put the two together really until
I wrote it all out on paper. And it was the most
amazing thing I couldn't gift I could have given
myself was to write all the trauma out rather
than just remember it here and there. I never
talked about it. You know, nobody wants to know
about it. It's kind of. So anyway, my father,
a born and raised Catholic, was apparently, I
found out later that he was he was hand selected
by a Nixon mafia leader. To be a soldier fighter
his his dad. My grandpa was a Mexican boxer in
Mexico They are all born. They're all from Mexico
US scout scouted him and said hey come and fight
for the United States So that's how they got
to the United States I guess the Apple didn't
fall far from the tree because he was a good
fighter and I used to hear that all the time
from his brother I just never thought anything
of it. You know, I just it's just kind of like
people talking, you know Until I started putting
all pieces together and a good fighter can be
a positive thing, you know an Olympic boxer that
kind of thing great Yeah, I mean my grandpa was
really good boxer. He won a lot of champions
in Mexico I don't know how many he did here,
but he he boxed I don't know how long he boxed
in the United States, but he was a professional
boxer He wasn't a street fighter where my dad
was a street fighter He used to get picked on
apparently a lot and he was the last man standing
and so I think that's what caught the leaders
eye on him Was hey, we need to they call them
mascots. So so we were like we got to go get
that guy again on our side So that's what they
did age 13. So his life changed Traumatically,
you know for himself because I don't think he's
a bad person or anything like that You know,
I I think that he had a very traumatic upbringing
I I found out after doing some research that
he was you know I didn't believe it when I when
he told me that and then I started writing this
story and Then and then I called him again, and
I was like I need to get a little more validation
You know I need to understand this a little bit
more He gave me some more, but I felt like he
was resistant. I can't really share like oh She
she's going somewhere with this, and I don't
know if I want to share all of that my dad's
past getting past my father, he went from Catholicism
to Jehovah's Witness. And I honestly believe
that because the reason why he did that was when
you are part of this particular mafia, it was
the white fence gang was the name of this mafia,
Mexican mafia. And I guess that's called blood
in, blood out, you know, like a mafia where you
don't leave the gang. You don't just decide one
day, hey, I'm going to go, you know, peace out.
You know, it's been fun. We call it tenure. Yeah.
No, not the good, not the good kind of tenure.
I know you don't, you know, but yeah, you definitely,
you know, if you guess you're in, blood in, blood
out, that's, that's, that's a pretty serious
tenure. I'm trying to shorten this and not go
down the whole path, but. That's okay. You're
leading up to the day that you were injured.
Yeah. Yeah. And, and so I think all of the things
he, he had a family in tokes, there was three
of us and I was newborn. I believe in so from
1950 to 1966 when I was born In 66 is when he's
like, okay, we're gonna go so then he became
a JW I I believe he hid behind This religion
to hide from them cuz you know, he took us off
grid and we've traveled all over the place, but
I don't think this I don't think the anger ever
left him. You know, I know that because I grew
up in this house and me and my brother kind of
got the worst of it. He really lashed out. He
was very physical, violent. He was emotional.
You know, he was also mentally violent, you know,
and he very manipulative kind of thing. Anyway,
the day it happened, I guess he was having one
of those days and came home early. I was five
and There was a little boy who lived next door
and we lived on a farm where there was nobody
around. So we didn't have neighbors. We had like
a mile away. You could see a house, you know,
like down in the distance somewhere. One of the
little boys came home with my sister and two
years older and just wait until his dad got home.
We were in the tent. My sister went to get snacks.
My dad came home, found out that I was in the
tent with a seven -year -old little boy. And
I guess he just I guess he lost it. So the tap
went flying. All I remember is we're playing
duck duck goose. And and I heard heard these
heavy footprints. And I know that kind of energy
from him because he's done it. I could tell when
he's, you know, in that place, the tent just
kind of went flying. And and then I blacked out
when I opened my eyes. I was laying on the ground,
not in the tent, looking up at the sky. I don't.
I don't remember dying or anything like that.
I remember when I woke up, I felt like my body
was inside of a bell, you know, like I was kind
of vibrating. Maybe the voices sounded like they
were very muted, maybe even under like when someone's
trying to talk underwater or something. And I
remember just staring at the sky and the sky
seemed to be the focus for me when I was laying
there. And I do remember bits and pieces of that
because it's most like flashes of little things.
I remember the sky, I was moving, all of a sudden
I saw these floating heads come in. One was my
mother, but the other one I thought was my grandmother.
What I found out later, there was nobody else
there except for my father and my mother. So
whoever that mystery lady was, there was two
ladies heads and they're all freaking out. But
I remember moving past them, going up into the
sky. But I wasn't just like, I was moving up.
I felt like I was moving. I could see the ground
below me. I could see the farm and all of our
animals. And then I just blacked out. And when
I woke up again, I was being rushed on the gurney
down the hallway into this kind of a sterile
green room. This black mask goes on and then
lights out. So that was the gist, I believe,
of what happened. And I call it an NDE because
I've never been told you died. I've never been
told that. My family, in fact, denied or not
denied, but made up a story that didn't make
any sense. But I think that because my dad was
hiding from this mafia, if they tell him the
truth, I don't know if they had CPS back then.
But from what I understand, I don't know if you
can see the scar on my face. Scar kind of goes
all the way up and around here. And that's where
a pole hit me in the face, which is the only
was the pole in the tent. There is apparently
some arteries, some pretty significant arteries
that run through here. And I had 31 stitches.
So I just kind of started putting all the pieces
together that way. So I can never really honest,
I can't say I have a piece of paper that says
that I died. But with all the things, when I
came back, when I came back, it was just so different.
I started having a lot of experiences, supernatural
experiences. Yeah, we'll get to those in a second.
Some people might ask me, why are you having
somebody on the show that just was unconscious
for a little while? And the reason why is I think
there's more to it than that. And one of the
reasons I think there's more to it than that
is because of what happened in your life afterwards.
But also when people are just knocked out, for
those of us that have had that kind of experience,
you remember something before you eventually
remember waking up. You don't remember going
up in the sky and looking down on the farm But
you don't remember those kinds of things. You
don't remember Seeing a woman who wasn't there
and you didn't actually say you felt like you
left your body But the fact that you were going
up to the sky and looking down Sounds very much
like an NDE to me if you say that's what it was.
I'm just fine with that definition Okay, so you
don't need to make excuses or anything else and
guess what? I don't need to either I feel like
having you on here because I think it's a very
interesting, very interesting story. And these
kinds of things early in life can change the
trajectory of our entire life. So is there anything
else that you want to add to that part before
we move on and talk about things that happened
after? Well, the other things that I do remember
before getting to the hospital was being on my
dad's lap or on his knee. Like I was laying,
my head was laying. And to get to any hospital
from our house was probably 45 minutes if he
was really, really going, really speeding through.
And there was nobody else that I can remember
in a car. So I can only imagine how much blood
came out of a five year old. Also, the Jehovah's
Witnesses don't believe in blood transfusions,
but I would have to say that I think he kind
of broke the rule because I can't imagine all
of that happening and it's, you know. everything
coming out of a five -year -old that way in such
a long period of time. So I just wanted to add
that little piece too. So I do remember that.
I remember staring at that steering wheel because
those big steering wheels back in the 70s, you
know, in the station wagon. That was the only
thing, the last bit that I remember before getting
to the hospital. Ah, the big steering wheels
back in those days. No child seats. Nobody wore
seat belts. No, they were just lap belts only.
I know we used to often be standing in the car.
Yeah, right Yeah back in the 60s. It was normal
for a two or three year old To stand on the front
seat and hold the dashboard So Renee, if you
could tell us just briefly, I don't know if you
remember anything about the physical recovery
And if so give us just a little bit of that,
but then you can go ahead and hop into how things
changed You had mentioned as we talked before
some paranormal ability kinds of things. So go
ahead and hop into that whenever you're comfortable
Okay, so after so I was in the hospital for a
few days. I don't know how many days I do remember
being there and the nurses really hated me because
I didn't like needles and they wrapped them unattended
They were in the wall, but I remember being in
this this huge it looked like a giant crib You
know to keep the five -year -old inside But I
was there for a few days and then when I came
home was the first time I saw the floating head
lady. She was in my room and I wasn't afraid
of her. You know, I didn't know who she was,
but I didn't. My mom walked in right when that
happened and she said, who are you talking to?
And I said, the lady. And I pointed to the corner
where I saw her and she said, there's nobody
there. I'm like, oh, well, maybe I was asleep.
I had to do that a lot. I had to kind of like
make things up, especially with my dad. He'd
be reading a book to me, pushing me down on the
ground for no apparent reason, just kind of like,
he just, a light switched, kind of flicked. So
I kind of, you know, try to cover up. And I remember
one time he did that and I was on the ground
waiting for it. And I looked up cause it was
real quiet. And he was just standing there staring
at me like, what are you doing on the ground?
Oh, I think I fell asleep. and fall off your
lap. So I had to do a lot of that with him throughout
my life. Not just me, but my older brother. I
had two other sisters, but they really didn't
get messed with. My brother and I were the stronger
out of the four. So I think that's why, I don't
know, my grandmother told me, well, the reason
why it picks on you is because you're strong.
So it started with her and then it kind of started
snowballing into other things where I would know
things before they would happen. You know, I
was spied, so I couldn't say that those things
were happening before or after, but I definitely
remember them after. I don't remember that so
much before. It got to a point where it started
kind of freaking them out and I had to really
be careful about what I was saying in the conversation
around my parents because I felt like they were
going to send me somewhere, not, you know, away.
I would tell them. these experiences and they
would just hand me the Bible. And it's like,
where do I turn to figure out how to make these
things go away? You know, like the Bible's not
going to help me. So I didn't have a great relationship
with God because my dad used religion as his
kind of a, when you call it, when somebody is
going to testify that it's a relocation thing,
there's a war for it. I felt like he was using
it for that because he was hiding from the mafia.
But was it also kind of an excuse for his behavior?
Well, possibly because he hid a lot of things,
you know, he physically abused us, you know,
me and my brother, especially. And we wouldn't
go to church that day. We could really get to
stay home. Or if people, the elders in the congregation
there would see marks on us and they started
asking questions, you know, how did this happen
kind of thing? Yeah, I'm so sorry. Yeah, thank
you. You mentioned this talking head lady, as
you called her. I'm not even sure what to ask.
How often did you see her? I saw her the one
time when I came back. So I saw her floating
head. And then when I came back home, I saw her.
I saw her again. But this time she was in the
room, not just hovering above me. But she didn't
really even say anything. So she was just there.
Fast forwarding these experiences. They would
come and go. Sometimes they would be strong and
sometimes they would kind of chill out. But there
was a guy when I was 16. I was playing out and
outside, you know, playing street ball with the
neighborhood kids. And I'm so tired, I had to
hurry up and get ready for dinner. And I started
to undress, but the window was open and it was
getting dark outside. So I panicked like, oh,
they could see, you know, and I turned around
to go pull the blind. And there is this floating
guy out my window. And he came around a lot after
I saw him. And he was dressed kind of look like
he was in like one of those pea coats. I know
he was floating. He was, he was just called what
it is. He was a ghost. So he was floating outside
my window from the waist up because if, if not,
then he would have had to been like 10 foot tall
to be able to see him from the waist up. And
I could see what he's dressed. I could see the
hat that he had on. It was real pale looking,
you know, but he didn't say anything either.
He just kind of looked. That's all he did. He
kind of just looked at me and it scared, it scared
me. because my parents put a fear labor on it.
And on top of that, it started calling them demons,
which really changes the trajectory of things
like this, because you hear of these things happening
all the time. Of course, I can't prove any of
this to you guys. I'm just telling you the story.
So I had to just deal with it. I had to deal
with even attacks. I feel like as I got older,
I got tired of being free. So I started teaming
up with mediums. and paranormal groups just to
kind of meet things head on and try to understand
what I was experiencing, why I was experiencing
it, you know, and how to deal with it. Besides
fear, because that's what my family were fearing
it. They didn't understand. And I've been asked
like, well, are you guys seeing dead people in
your bedroom? You know, like, how come I'm the
only one seeing them? So this went on my whole
life until I started working with the paranormal
groups. I worked with them for a couple of years,
but it helped me not be afraid. And it helped
me help other people like me, which became my
goal. So I didn't do a lot of paranormal work
after that because the paranormal people, they
just want EDU keys that they can, you know, I
have a whole load of the EPs. I was on my ghost
story because they thought my story, I had an
EDU key and evidence of spirit activity. And
every time I would did the paranormal group thing,
they always wanted me to go because I always
got the EVPs. I guess because I can communicate
or they can mutate with me. You mentioned that
you had learned a lot about the why. Tell me
what you've learned. Why is this sort of thing
happening to you and at such a young age? Well,
I started going into NDE circles because I was
very attracted to that. I started learning about
near -death experiences, but I never really,
I hadn't really chopped up what happened to me
until later. That this has got to be part of
the NDE. And you hear this a lot too. I worked
really closely with Terry Daniels, the Afterlife
Awareness Conference. She's a good friend of
mine. We would talk about this, you know, and
she would recant some of the things that others
would be talking about that had NDE's. And going...
Going across the veil is the only thing that
really sums it up. We've stepped out of this
reality and into another one. Some people come
back with very very vivid stories and accounts
and others, you know, I think everybody's a little
bit different and I know their stories are always
different, but but always miracles to me. I'm
going to call miracles because these things that
are happening are not the norm. I experience
it all the time. I'll tell you about To me, this
is a miracle. This is the kind of thing that
happens to me all the time. It blows my mind.
I wrote my memoir, A Walk Back to God, because
I left God in the dust. I was really, I was an
atheist. And even during all those times where
I was doing paranormal work and trying to figure
myself out, I never went to the dark side. I
always kept myself right on the line. You know,
I never stepped over into one or the other. 60
in January turned 60. I wrote 60 ,000 words of
my memoir in 60 days at the age 60. So really
unusual because I just knocked this stuff out,
right? And I just once I started I was hard to
stop. It's all I did every day. I just knocked
it out. Okay, so I typed the end and this is
again the title of the book, A Walk Back to God
because I don't... do scripture. I don't memorize
scripture. I don't go to church. I have gone
to church, but I don't don't do the whole church
thing. So I go outside the day after I finished
writing, I go outside to leave my place to go
run an errand. And this note falls from the crack
of my door. It was just a handwritten note. Actually,
I have it handwritten note. And I opened and
it said John one one. And it was a scripture
because I'm not a scripture. person I saw, I
thought, yeah, you know, whenever some church
person put that on everybody's door, right? And
so I almost threw it away. And but something
stopped me. I put it in my pocket and ran my
errand and I came back and I reached into my
pocket and I was like, oh, that's right. This
is here. So I opened it up and I read it and
it said John one one. So I don't know. Are you
a scripture person? A little bit, but I don't
know that I have that one memorized. So tell
me what it is. So John one one says, In the beginning,
the word was with God, and the word was God.
Okay, and I just finished 60 ,000 words about
a walk back to God. I should have known that
one, by the way, because now that you say it,
yeah, I know it now. Oh, it gives me chills.
It's like, how? But it's this kind of thing that
happens a lot. I could tell you a whole lot of
stories. Where did this, where does this come
from? And what should I be doing with it? And
so I'm with the scripture. all the time now.
I'm reading scripture every day. I'm journaling
scripture. I'm asking questions about my life
and then I'm, you know, allowing the book, the
Bible, to just help me navigate through whatever
I'm going through. So I've been very, very close
to God and the Bible ever since I wrote that
story. So I had asked you a while ago about the
why. And maybe that's part of that why, but also
I'm curious more about why do you think that
those paranormal things were happening? Did you
have something to gain from it, something to
learn from it, in other words? I think that the
paranormal things that were just happening, not
the things that I was seeking out, right? Is
that what you're asking? Yes, starting when you
were five years old after this accident. Well,
that's a really good question. I haven't really
sat and... thought about that well when you turn
61 maybe that'll be the thing to do well i what
i feel like right now is i obviously have something
that i'm supposed to be doing here i was saved
i think i'm gonna call it saved okay bleeding
out for a 45 minute drive after after being smacked
in the face and 31 stitches later i can't imagine
how i didn't die i mean really die you know like
i don't know how i could have been saved from
that Doing research about it was like all the
I went to all the AIs, you know What could this
you know, could I possibly say been saved from
this to me? You know, they all kind of said well,
it was kind of miracle. So I'll go I'm not going
off of the eye. I'm just gonna chalk it up this
I'm supposed to be in there I'm supposed to be
doing something Maybe I just found out that that's
what I'm supposed to be doing at 60 because ever
since I hit 60 Everything's changed. My whole
demeanor has changed not just about God just
about life feel like I've got something to do.
I don't know what that is. I ask them all the
time, like, okay, what am I supposed to be doing?
So I'm going to make a recommendation for you
on that one. In my experience, how that works
is we need to figure it out ourselves and then
go to him and say, is this the right thing? Or
is this the wrong thing? I tend to get more answers
that way than just an open book like Give me
three paragraphs on what I'm supposed to be doing
now. Some of us aren't very good at receiving
that kind of inspiration. Well, you know, I think
that the story itself, it was hard to tell the
story because it's not a feel good story and
not by a lunch shot. It's a memoir, but I changed
a few things. I changed the timelines around
a little bit so it couldn't be like a memoir,
but 98 % of the things that I wrote about happened
to me. The story and the things that are shaping
in my life, if I was to say how close am I got
to my mission, I'd say I'm pretty close to what
I'm supposed to be doing. It just probably took
me a really long time to just get here, or 60
was the magic number. I don't know, but - Story's
still being written, sounds like. You've looked
and done a little studying about NDEs with other
people. Give me an idea of what you take away
from that. Because if there's not a lot that
you were able to get from yours, maybe you can
pick up some things from other people's NDE's
that apply to you. What do you think those might
be? I would say one of the main things is their
experiences that they have that are, I don't
know what the word is, but I don't want to say
irregular, sort of irregular. I don't want to
say extraordinary, but I think it can fall into
those areas. People come back with a, from what
I've seen, I don't know other people's, but it
seems that they come back with a clary that they
maybe didn't have before and understanding about
things and how things work here that they didn't
have before. Spiritual circles, I thought for
a long time didn't involve God, but they always
did. So my takeaway is these people now have,
they have an extraordinary chapter to their life
and how they use it is really up to them because
we're still all free will. I used my time, whatever
I did with my life, it took me a really long
time to find spirituality and try to use what
I had positively. There's a lot of people who
I think can go into the wrong direction, but
it seems like a common thread. It seems like
maybe you can tell me because you talk to a lot
of people. NDE people don't typically take what
they have now that they didn't have before and
go to a dark case with it. It seems like they
always seem to stay in the light. Do you think
that that is true? Yeah, for the most part, that
is really true. And I think part of why people
like to listen to these stories and why I like
to listen to them is because even if I don't
have an NDE, I can learn from some of the things
that you and other people learn from your NDE's.
I can learn about love. I can learn about what
people call the love of God. I can gain strength
in the fact that people who have had NDEs have
no fear of death anymore. Why is that? Why should
I fear death? If someone who has died and come
back has no fear of death, then I don't need
to have fear of death either. Right. You don't?
No. I'm ready. I'm ready whenever he's ready
to call me, you know, call me home, but I have
no fear of it. I don't go out and do things that
are reckless, but I don't have, I don't fear.
Not at all. Not even a little. What do you think
it's going to be like when it finally is your
turn in 30 years from now, when it's your turn
40 years from now? I can't, I have to say that
I think about this a lot. I think, I think about
it a lot. I hear Andy's, okay. Howard's, Howard
Storm. Can you, you know, hardly count that story
about Howard Storm? He's been on the show. Yeah.
Oh, he was one of the first NDE's and I was like,
wow. You know, I really, I really never forgot
his story. Obviously, you know, we, if everybody
knows who Howard Storm is, you can kind of, you
can kind of guess, you know, like, okay, well,
that's why it happened that way because his life,
the way his lifestyle is. Every single day I
have the opportunity to wake up and do something
and be the best person that I can be. But the
world around us will always come crashing down
going, no, you can't, no, you're not good enough.
So I always think about how great it'll be just
not happy to contend with the heaviness of the
reality of being here on this planet. And all
the and all the negativity that's here that we're
we're all daily kind of trying to get through
each day on our own Just staying positive, you
know, just staying a positive friend of mine.
It's not easy So, I don't know if that answers
your question, but I I look forward to not having
to do that anymore And of course, you know, honestly
seeing my family And you're right and it is not
easy It definitely isn't. We'll put a link in
the show notes if people want to check out your
books because you have the memoir that you mentioned
and also a novel which I think looks really interesting.
So people can look those up and I'll tell you
what, you get to have the last word. Leave us
with some kind of a message of hope in this troubled
world that's gonna help us not only have hope
but have a better day today. because they listened
to Renee. Oh man. That's a lot of pressure. That's
a ton of pressure. And I didn't warn you about
that. You didn't. I don't have a canned response
or nothing. What do I have to tell people today
to stay positive? I would say that's the, if
you can manage that on a daily basis, being kind
and positive is, that's very challenging. It
doesn't matter how nice you are. It doesn't matter
what kind of person you are. You say as you get
behind the wheel of a car, you could be the best
person leaving the house and you just get in
the car and it's game over. I'm speaking from
me specifically because there's a lot of negative
negativity around us all the time. Hang on to
something that you can snap back to to bring
yourself back around and not stay focused in
the negative. Especially when you feel it coming
out in yourself. Because we all have a little
road rage under the surface here someplace when
we're in the car You said that you recently started
reading scripture What is standing out to you?
What kinds of what kinds of things are really
like Wow? I hope this doesn't I'm gonna say this
is precursor I hope this isn't received negatively
because there's a lot of controversy that I've
read But when I ask God for help we can all say
prayers and we can say it out loud So what I
started doing, especially after finding that
scripture, which I've memorized, like I told
you before, I never memorized scripture. Well,
I memorized that one. I'll never forget that
one. John 1 -1, I'll never forget now. Yeah.
And so what I started doing right after that
happened was, so I used to do, like I was telling
you in paranormal stuff, I used to do throw and
I used to do divination and stuff like that.
I never did it for a futuristic result because
I feel like we're all free will and that's always
been my basis. It's like, it's more of a guidance
that I'm looking for and that's it. So I threw
all of that stuff away. I don't have any of those
things anymore. I will never buy any of those
things. So I had a Bible that I bought for myself
years ago that I just never picked up and it's
just been sitting on my nightstand and just never
being touched, just dusty. So I started asking
questions To God and even asked a question to
God like is it okay for me to use? This book
this way to get some some answers about some
of the directions that I'm I'm in and go and
I want to I want to navigate Everything has been
spot -on. I mean it is it's literally kind of
freaky how exact The scripture I happen just
open the book and look to the page and look to
the scripture and it It's explaining my question
perfectly. So it's been it's helping me get acquainted
with the stories because when I first started
reading the Bible I started at Genesis and I'm
like I'm asleep before I get you know past it.
The book is I don't think this book is this but
the Bible is designed to be a read book. There's
information in the book that we reflect on and
interpretate right. We are interpreting what
the scriptures are saying and I think that there's
a lot more to the Bible Than people think and
so i've been very excited every night i'm excited
to go and pick it up And be closer to god and
it and it has a whole different meaning now for
me I really appreciate you sharing all this renee
and we're all on this journey. We're all trying
to learn from each other Trying to learn from
scripture trying to learn from other sources
So, you know What we can be better people now.
We can be better prepared for the future Absolutely
That's all we can do. Wake up today, start again,
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