WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.070 greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back 00:00:33.070 --> 00:00:36.689 home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. 00:00:39.210 --> 00:00:42.229 I'd like to welcome our very special guest today, 00:00:42.490 --> 00:00:45.210 Michael Floorman, coming to us from Colorado. 00:00:45.310 --> 00:00:49.009 How are you, Michael? Very good. Glad to be here. 00:00:49.710 --> 00:00:53.329 Good. I tell you what, I love your shirt. I have 00:00:53.329 --> 00:00:57.829 one that's sort of similar to that. I love aloha 00:00:57.829 --> 00:01:01.060 shirts. Although today I'm dressed for something 00:01:01.060 --> 00:01:02.880 else because Will and I are going to be throwing 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:07.359 three racks of ribs on the smoker here as soon 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:09.900 as we're done with this interview. So. Wow. Is 00:01:09.900 --> 00:01:13.780 it a holiday? Is it a reason today? Friday? His 00:01:13.780 --> 00:01:16.519 wife's birthday is tomorrow and that's what she 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:18.859 requested for dinner tonight for her birthday 00:01:18.859 --> 00:01:21.799 dinner. I'm just going back to work so I don't 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:25.040 have anything that fun. I'm so sorry. Anyway. 00:01:25.340 --> 00:01:28.120 We'll be chasing the smoke much of the day today, 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:32.120 but this is not about me and it's not about clothing 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:36.459 It's about you Michael and your near -death experiences 00:01:36.459 --> 00:01:39.579 before we jump into them Would you let us get 00:01:39.579 --> 00:01:41.659 to know you just a little bit give give us a 00:01:41.659 --> 00:01:44.859 one minute on who's Michael? I'm 60 years old 00:01:44.859 --> 00:01:48.579 now. I work for a magazine publisher as a graphic 00:01:48.579 --> 00:01:53.620 designer I've been kind of sensitive to the other 00:01:53.620 --> 00:01:56.790 side In a weird way, I just knew there was something 00:01:56.790 --> 00:02:00.170 more than what you know or what you're being 00:02:00.170 --> 00:02:02.209 told. And I didn't really think that anybody 00:02:02.209 --> 00:02:04.870 else knew it. I was a musician. Well, I guess 00:02:04.870 --> 00:02:07.129 you still are, but I played in bands when I was 00:02:07.129 --> 00:02:09.669 younger. Yeah, that's about it. I mean, I'm a 00:02:09.669 --> 00:02:11.949 graphic designer right now and a magazine publisher, 00:02:12.210 --> 00:02:15.629 so. What kind of music are you famous for? It 00:02:15.629 --> 00:02:18.530 was all original, pretty much. I wrote most of 00:02:18.530 --> 00:02:22.150 them and it was kind of Def Leppard Van Halen 00:02:22.150 --> 00:02:25.419 -y, kind of that realm. You know, it was that 00:02:25.419 --> 00:02:28.960 level of rock. It wasn't like the metal hard 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:30.819 or it wasn't soft. It was like right in the, 00:02:30.819 --> 00:02:34.719 you know, it was in the late 80s, 90s. So, you 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:37.680 know, we matched everybody else. We had the huge 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:41.979 hair and all that stuff. I know the genre before, 00:02:41.979 --> 00:02:46.139 quote, New Wave came in and ruined it. And you 00:02:46.139 --> 00:02:48.620 were fighting disco and all that kind of crazy 00:02:48.620 --> 00:02:51.060 stuff then. Yeah. In my first band, because we 00:02:51.060 --> 00:02:53.379 did an album when I was in high school. And my 00:02:53.379 --> 00:02:57.180 first band, um, that was, that came out in 83. 00:02:57.819 --> 00:03:00.300 And that was, yeah, you were fighting just all 00:03:00.300 --> 00:03:02.419 kinds of weird stuff back then. You know, it 00:03:02.419 --> 00:03:04.639 was, it was kind of different. And nowadays I 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:07.120 think the era is completely different. It's self 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.199 promotion, do your own thing. I mean, you can 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:12.419 own your own studio. The world has changed as 00:03:12.419 --> 00:03:16.340 far as that goes. Yeah, it has, but rock and 00:03:16.340 --> 00:03:19.759 roll never dies, right? No, it does not. It just 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:23.389 kind of altered and creates new genres. I'm not 00:03:23.389 --> 00:03:25.930 quite sure where to start because we chatted 00:03:25.930 --> 00:03:29.349 the other day and we talked about that you've 00:03:29.349 --> 00:03:34.150 actually died eight times and come back and three 00:03:34.150 --> 00:03:36.909 of those are considered NDEs. In other words 00:03:36.909 --> 00:03:41.229 you remember some kind of experience being out 00:03:41.229 --> 00:03:44.469 of body. You know I often wonder and I'm curious 00:03:44.469 --> 00:03:46.810 about your opinion on this before we jump into 00:03:46.810 --> 00:03:52.370 your experiences and that is I wonder if everybody 00:03:52.539 --> 00:03:56.539 who has a death type experience has some sort 00:03:56.539 --> 00:03:59.080 of heavenly experience. The majority just don't 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:02.800 remember it because statistically it's roughly 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:07.580 15 percent of people who have had a cardiac arrest 00:04:07.580 --> 00:04:11.960 can remember or have what we call an NDE. So 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.139 what do you think about the other experiences 00:04:15.139 --> 00:04:18.589 that you don't remember in any part of? That 00:04:18.589 --> 00:04:20.709 was a part of my story that I struggled with 00:04:20.709 --> 00:04:22.509 because it didn't dawn on me. I didn't really 00:04:22.509 --> 00:04:26.110 look into this until It's about two years ago. 00:04:26.189 --> 00:04:29.149 I saw my first NDE video and then I just kind 00:04:29.149 --> 00:04:34.189 of Got completely addicted on the NDE video. 00:04:34.310 --> 00:04:36.529 I'm sorry. See I forgot the question. I'm sorry. 00:04:36.750 --> 00:04:40.269 Can you give it one more time? The question is 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:43.839 do you have some kind of opinion on those that 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.660 have had a cardiac arrest but don't remember 00:04:46.660 --> 00:04:49.779 anything, any kind of heavenly experience? Yeah, 00:04:49.939 --> 00:04:52.100 I don't know if there's a reason for that because 00:04:52.100 --> 00:04:55.360 I know that I know they told me that I had died 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.220 eight times but I only remember three and that's 00:04:58.220 --> 00:05:01.360 when I was watching other ND videos And they, 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:03.680 you know, had it all kind of in a sequence and 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:05.500 mine was just bouncing all over the place. It's 00:05:05.500 --> 00:05:07.699 like I got out of body came back out of I had 00:05:07.699 --> 00:05:09.259 out of body in two different places or three 00:05:09.259 --> 00:05:11.779 different places and I couldn't I couldn't put 00:05:11.779 --> 00:05:13.959 that together. I mean, I just kept looking at 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:18.019 it and I kept I meditated. I got a hypnotist 00:05:18.019 --> 00:05:20.240 to try to take me back and try to remember more. 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:22.439 And that didn't work. I just can't get taken 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:27.319 under. Yeah, that's that's pretty much, you know, 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:31.350 what I did. Well, and one other thing I just 00:05:31.350 --> 00:05:34.889 wanted to alert our listeners of, that you let 00:05:34.889 --> 00:05:36.949 me know when we were speaking the other day, 00:05:36.949 --> 00:05:39.050 so I hope you don't mind me bringing it up. I 00:05:39.050 --> 00:05:42.250 don't know. It's obvious sometimes. Michael may 00:05:42.250 --> 00:05:45.829 lose his train of thought now and then, and that's 00:05:45.829 --> 00:05:48.930 something that is a symptomatic of... It's a 00:05:48.930 --> 00:05:55.750 holdover. It's a holdover of what he went through. 00:05:55.790 --> 00:05:58.839 So let's just give him some grace. And Michael, 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:00.759 it's not going to bother us. Don't worry about 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:04.319 it. But let's go back about a dozen years and 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:06.540 let's talk about what was going on medically 00:06:06.540 --> 00:06:09.759 with you that led to these experiences. That 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:12.420 day was just kind of another typical day. It 00:06:12.420 --> 00:06:15.160 was Friday. And I think we were going to go. 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:16.740 My boss is going to take us out to lunch that 00:06:16.740 --> 00:06:19.540 day. So, you know, we had to put, you know, long 00:06:19.540 --> 00:06:22.600 pants or whatever it was. And so, yeah, I was 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:24.620 headed to work that morning and I kept feeling 00:06:24.620 --> 00:06:27.370 like my ears and my jaw were like really It just 00:06:27.370 --> 00:06:30.170 felt tight and my jaw was almost locking. And 00:06:30.170 --> 00:06:32.889 so I couldn't figure that out. And then I was 00:06:32.889 --> 00:06:35.569 driving to work and I started feeling like lightheaded, 00:06:35.769 --> 00:06:39.209 like I'm going down. I looked around and decided 00:06:39.209 --> 00:06:42.410 I should get off the road before I take somebody 00:06:42.410 --> 00:06:45.470 out. And so I pulled over, called 911, which 00:06:45.470 --> 00:06:47.610 is so weird for me because I never go to the 00:06:47.610 --> 00:06:51.370 doctor, but I called 911. An ambulance was like 00:06:51.370 --> 00:06:54.389 a quarter of a mile behind us, or behind me. 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.459 I pulled in, got out, they pulled up, got out. 00:06:57.579 --> 00:06:59.819 I walked over to the ambulance and they took 00:06:59.819 --> 00:07:02.240 me inside and I sat down. They started putting 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.300 the stickers on you, you know, checking all your 00:07:04.300 --> 00:07:07.360 vitals. I heard the one paramedic say to the 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.959 other paramedic that the back flow, I think it 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.699 was back flow, is blocked. And right at that 00:07:13.699 --> 00:07:16.620 moment, I stopped breathing at that second. I 00:07:16.620 --> 00:07:19.959 heard back flows blocked, I stopped breathing, 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:21.879 and then it was just like a blink of an eye. 00:07:21.899 --> 00:07:25.319 I was opposite the scene. So I was like I was 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.819 probably about four or five feet from me and 00:07:28.819 --> 00:07:31.519 I could see they're you know moving a little 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:33.500 quicker because the patient just said I felt 00:07:33.500 --> 00:07:35.500 weird just died on them but they were moving 00:07:35.500 --> 00:07:38.480 a little quicker. So what I remember at that 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.379 point was that everything looked different. For 00:07:41.379 --> 00:07:43.740 some reason it didn't seem weird to see myself 00:07:43.740 --> 00:07:46.500 at that angle. I don't know why. But I remember 00:07:46.500 --> 00:07:49.339 looking at my body and I could see that I was 00:07:49.339 --> 00:07:51.540 kind of sitting in the chair and I was like my 00:07:51.540 --> 00:07:53.180 head was tilted because they hadn't laid me down. 00:07:53.259 --> 00:07:54.720 I was kind of sitting in a chair. My head was 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:57.980 tilted and my eyes were fixed. And so I kind 00:07:57.980 --> 00:07:59.600 of I don't know why I took it upon myself to 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.519 look into my eyes because my dad had died years 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:05.899 before that and it was at hospice at home and 00:08:05.899 --> 00:08:07.399 we were waiting for the hospice people to come 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:10.069 and get him. And I remember seeing him and his 00:08:10.069 --> 00:08:13.930 eyes were open after he died. And there was nothing 00:08:13.930 --> 00:08:16.449 in, no spark, no life. There's a certain kind 00:08:16.449 --> 00:08:18.709 of light that you can just see in an eye. And 00:08:18.709 --> 00:08:20.769 there was nothing there. And so I actually got 00:08:20.769 --> 00:08:24.269 to get close to myself. and look into my eyes 00:08:24.269 --> 00:08:26.709 and yeah, it was just dead. I didn't think that 00:08:26.709 --> 00:08:29.230 would affect me as bad as it has. Coming back, 00:08:29.470 --> 00:08:32.429 I mean, seeing a person, you know, a body dead 00:08:32.429 --> 00:08:34.710 is one thing, but seeing yourself, you know, 00:08:34.710 --> 00:08:36.610 when you look in the mirror, I can still remember 00:08:36.610 --> 00:08:41.330 what they look like without it. Wow. That is 00:08:41.330 --> 00:08:43.690 so freaky. I've never had anyone tell me that, 00:08:43.690 --> 00:08:47.549 that they looked in their own eyes. Whoa. What 00:08:47.549 --> 00:08:50.330 did that feel like? For some reason, I felt it 00:08:50.330 --> 00:08:53.690 was necessary. I just looked. I looked at it 00:08:53.690 --> 00:08:55.789 and I don't even know that I knew I was dead 00:08:55.789 --> 00:08:58.269 or what was going on. It was just this thing 00:08:58.269 --> 00:09:00.970 was happening to me and I was just kind of accepting 00:09:00.970 --> 00:09:03.529 it, you know, for what it was. I didn't know. 00:09:03.830 --> 00:09:06.330 I had no idea. Is this death? Is this? Is that? 00:09:06.649 --> 00:09:09.570 I had no idea what it was, but for some reason 00:09:09.570 --> 00:09:12.250 I just played along and yeah, I did take the 00:09:12.250 --> 00:09:15.350 time to look into my own eyes and I was probably 00:09:15.350 --> 00:09:17.970 about five feet away from it, but I did get within 00:09:17.970 --> 00:09:22.330 a foot just to kind of see. And then the next 00:09:22.330 --> 00:09:26.509 thing I remember is leaving that scene. And again, 00:09:26.529 --> 00:09:30.049 everything is like a blink because I think people 00:09:30.049 --> 00:09:33.710 think that there's a black void or there's like 00:09:33.710 --> 00:09:35.509 a blackness or you go to blackness, then you 00:09:35.509 --> 00:09:38.549 come in. I mean, it's as fast as blink and then 00:09:38.549 --> 00:09:41.230 you're out. Not a, you know, a period where you 00:09:41.230 --> 00:09:44.750 feel it building up. And so from there, it was 00:09:44.750 --> 00:09:48.049 a blink. And I was going through this field and 00:09:48.049 --> 00:09:49.549 it was like a stream down the middle of the road 00:09:49.549 --> 00:09:52.940 or the field. and there were stones and trees 00:09:52.940 --> 00:09:54.759 and I mean it looked just like a valley with 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:57.600 mountains in the end and we started going down 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:00.019 and you could tell I was going like really fast 00:10:00.019 --> 00:10:02.940 but there was no wind I was no there was no like 00:10:02.940 --> 00:10:05.659 like pushing against you and there was no jarring 00:10:05.659 --> 00:10:10.299 of movement it was just amazingly quick that 00:10:10.299 --> 00:10:12.419 you could just go down there and I remember stopping 00:10:12.419 --> 00:10:15.299 at one point of the stream there was a tree and 00:10:15.299 --> 00:10:17.179 a plant like a flower I don't even know if it 00:10:17.179 --> 00:10:19.240 might have been a weed but I was standing next 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:22.759 to it And I asked, there was somebody was with 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:25.639 me. I could tell somebody was with me. And I 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:28.299 asked whoever this was, how do I know if I'm 00:10:28.299 --> 00:10:31.960 real? And the voice said, if you can touch it. 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:34.740 I remember hearing if you can touch it. And so 00:10:34.740 --> 00:10:37.679 I did try to touch it and my hand went right 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:40.840 through it. That was kind of weird. And then 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:43.559 we started moving again, came close to the mountains 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:46.320 and then went straight up. It was just like a 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:49.210 projectory. to go straight up and I didn't I 00:10:49.210 --> 00:10:50.909 don't remember there being a tunnel or any of 00:10:50.909 --> 00:10:53.470 that kind of stuff but I do remember ending up 00:10:53.470 --> 00:10:58.070 in just a total dark place I mean it was just 00:10:58.070 --> 00:11:00.009 it was dark I've heard people call it the void 00:11:00.009 --> 00:11:02.029 I call it the void because there's nothing else 00:11:02.029 --> 00:11:04.990 really to call it it seems scary to you know 00:11:04.990 --> 00:11:08.690 be whisked away to a dark area but it was anything 00:11:08.690 --> 00:11:12.210 but and I think that to me and I know everybody 00:11:12.210 --> 00:11:14.730 else has opinions on what the void is but to 00:11:14.730 --> 00:11:19.000 me the void is Kind of an unpacking zone when 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.600 you leave this is my own opinion, but when I 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:25.139 think when when you leave your body You're a 00:11:25.139 --> 00:11:27.620 little disoriented and I think the void to me 00:11:27.620 --> 00:11:29.840 This is my opinion the void seems to be that 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:32.139 unpack area that period because it was in the 00:11:32.139 --> 00:11:34.580 void that I could feel a lot of You know the 00:11:34.580 --> 00:11:36.620 love I mean the love I'm sure you've heard is 00:11:36.620 --> 00:11:39.600 I made the acceptance is wild too. I mean the 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.320 feeling of acceptance I don't even know how you 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:46.059 get a feeling of acceptance, but you get it It's 00:11:46.059 --> 00:11:49.139 just amazing the feeling that that the other 00:11:49.139 --> 00:11:51.080 side has I mean It's nothing that you could ever 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:55.000 replicate and I've had OCD and all kinds of anxiety 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.379 disorders and you know, you name it I've had 00:11:57.379 --> 00:12:00.639 it and I the voice also said to me within the 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.919 void said try to have Try to have OCD try to 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:06.519 have any anxiety none of it and I actually tried 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:09.820 but I couldn't you couldn't do it and When he 00:12:09.820 --> 00:12:13.440 said that you, you know try to have anxiety When 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:15.960 I tried, it was at that point I realized how 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:20.059 much we leave in our body. I mean, our body holds 00:12:20.059 --> 00:12:24.080 so much weight in, you know, literal terms, but 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.620 everything that goes with it, I mean, your anxiety, 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:29.080 everything is packed within your body. You know, 00:12:29.220 --> 00:12:32.019 all of the issues that you have, or the I'm a 00:12:32.019 --> 00:12:34.000 little this way, I'm a little that way, all is 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:36.960 packed in your body. So when you leave, it's 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:41.460 a weird feeling of just release. And that was 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:45.259 Probably one of the coolest things was that feeling 00:12:45.259 --> 00:12:48.460 of not having these issues that I've had for 00:12:48.460 --> 00:12:52.539 60 years or 48 at the time. And I've heard the 00:12:52.539 --> 00:12:56.980 void called velvety soft, but I didn't get a 00:12:56.980 --> 00:13:00.059 feel from it. But I definitely got an expansion. 00:13:00.299 --> 00:13:03.000 You can feel when you leave your body, it's like 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.399 your body runs a 220 volt or whatever house. 00:13:07.179 --> 00:13:09.000 voltages, I'm sure they're gonna nail me that 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:11.700 one. But once you leave your body, you become 00:13:11.700 --> 00:13:14.899 a part of the grid. And so when you leave, you 00:13:14.899 --> 00:13:17.519 go from, you know, this you're only using so 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.159 much part of yourself that when you leave, the 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.340 expansion is amazing. I mean, you really feel 00:13:22.340 --> 00:13:24.600 like you're a part and you I think you are a 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.899 part of everything. I just felt one with everything 00:13:28.899 --> 00:13:31.059 that was it was there. I mean, I've never felt 00:13:31.059 --> 00:13:34.840 that comfortable at home. And it seems so it's 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:38.429 like I remembered it. in a weird way. It seemed 00:13:38.429 --> 00:13:41.110 familiar to me. Even a few of the entities, which 00:13:41.110 --> 00:13:44.090 I didn't get names, you couldn't really see them. 00:13:45.370 --> 00:13:49.990 Yeah, you could definitely tell who was who and 00:13:49.990 --> 00:13:53.730 what was what. The void was definitely one of 00:13:53.730 --> 00:13:55.789 the darkest, but that's where you get all the 00:13:55.789 --> 00:13:58.269 feelings. To me, that's where I got all the feelings 00:13:58.269 --> 00:14:01.490 of that immense love and that stuff that everybody 00:14:01.490 --> 00:14:05.029 talks about. Okay, I want to bookmark this spot 00:14:05.029 --> 00:14:08.570 right here and before we move on I I want a little 00:14:08.570 --> 00:14:11.129 bit more detail on some of the things that happened 00:14:11.129 --> 00:14:14.309 earlier on that you Mentioned just so casually 00:14:14.309 --> 00:14:18.029 and passed over I I'd love to hear more detail 00:14:18.029 --> 00:14:21.950 if you have any About the stream and you mentioned 00:14:21.950 --> 00:14:26.649 going up a mountain paint a picture for us Okay, 00:14:26.690 --> 00:14:28.889 if I go into detail I had one of these podcasts 00:14:28.889 --> 00:14:30.429 we looked up and I had been on there for three 00:14:30.429 --> 00:14:32.690 hours. I'm like, okay, that's Oh, we're not going 00:14:32.690 --> 00:14:36.990 that long. Sorry. Yeah. I mean, do you want me 00:14:36.990 --> 00:14:39.809 to just start it over? I mean, no, no, just fill 00:14:39.809 --> 00:14:43.370 in some blanks. You mentioned like your first 00:14:43.370 --> 00:14:45.870 stop, you saw a stream and what else did you 00:14:45.870 --> 00:14:49.070 see there? Well, at the first stop, yeah, it 00:14:49.070 --> 00:14:51.389 was going we were going down. I always say we 00:14:51.389 --> 00:14:53.750 because I never feel like I'm alone. I've always 00:14:53.750 --> 00:14:57.070 said we for some reason. And that's another issue 00:14:57.070 --> 00:14:59.409 with mine. But because I always have this feeling 00:14:59.409 --> 00:15:02.519 of somebody around me. always. But yeah, we're 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:05.519 just going down, I was going down this valley 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.220 and what was strange about it is that's when 00:15:08.220 --> 00:15:11.639 I noticed the difference in how your eyes perceive. 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:15.679 It's completely different. It's hard to describe. 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:20.019 I mean, your eyes are seeing, your human eyes 00:15:20.019 --> 00:15:21.970 are very limited. You know, they can only see 00:15:21.970 --> 00:15:23.929 this much and they can only see this level of 00:15:23.929 --> 00:15:26.389 light and this level of hearing. And I mean, 00:15:26.490 --> 00:15:28.169 everything that the body can handle. But when 00:15:28.169 --> 00:15:31.250 you leave there, I mean, your eyesight is just 00:15:31.250 --> 00:15:33.409 amazing. I mean, the things that you can see, 00:15:33.529 --> 00:15:37.070 you can feel the things around you. I remember 00:15:37.070 --> 00:15:40.950 being next to that stream after I touched that 00:15:40.950 --> 00:15:43.129 that tried to touch that plant or that flower. 00:15:43.470 --> 00:15:46.710 You could just see that all of the grass, it 00:15:46.710 --> 00:15:49.070 almost like it looked like it was lit within. 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.159 And it wasn't, it was still light out, but you 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:53.779 could see, at least in the scene, you could see 00:15:53.779 --> 00:15:55.600 that everything kind of had a pulse. You could 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.100 almost see the pulse of the things that were 00:15:58.100 --> 00:16:00.500 there. I mean, the water looked like water, but 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:04.240 it had a different, it was bluer. I don't know, 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:06.580 it's hard to describe, but it was a lot bluer. 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:09.299 It's just everything, even, I even, there was 00:16:09.299 --> 00:16:13.100 a few animals within that scene that I saw that 00:16:13.100 --> 00:16:16.240 actually instead of running, you know away or 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:18.519 being scared they kind of tended to it seemed 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.000 like they were like they could see me you know 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.019 which i thought was just weird i mean because 00:16:23.019 --> 00:16:24.740 usually if an animal can see you they take off 00:16:24.740 --> 00:16:27.580 but these i it looked like they could see me 00:16:27.580 --> 00:16:29.240 but they weren't taking off they were almost 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.840 getting closer i've heard that animals can connect 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:35.139 or can see things that humans cancel it could 00:16:35.139 --> 00:16:38.860 be what that was but the going up from from that 00:16:38.860 --> 00:16:41.740 area and going straight up it was like it was 00:16:41.740 --> 00:16:43.820 like i was going toward the mountains then it 00:16:43.820 --> 00:16:46.139 just pivoted and I just went straight up and 00:16:46.139 --> 00:16:48.259 I could see all I could see was like the blue 00:16:48.259 --> 00:16:49.779 sky because I wasn't looking around I didn't 00:16:49.779 --> 00:16:52.539 get the tunnel but I saw the blue sky turn dark 00:16:52.539 --> 00:16:59.299 and that's when I was in the void and it's just 00:16:59.299 --> 00:17:02.039 I mean it is it is a very it's it's the most 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:05.700 calming thing that I've ever witnessed yeah it's 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:07.140 so hard to describe because I've heard other 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:08.980 people try to describe the feeling that you have 00:17:08.980 --> 00:17:11.420 over there and it's impossible Like when I wrote 00:17:11.420 --> 00:17:14.480 my book, I had to come up with terms that made 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:16.920 sense because, you know, heaven didn't work for 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:20.259 me anymore. I needed something different. So 00:17:20.259 --> 00:17:21.900 source is what I call that. The void is what 00:17:21.900 --> 00:17:25.019 I call this. But after the void, I remember being 00:17:25.019 --> 00:17:27.740 in the void and you could see just on the outskirts, 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.779 there was just little hints of light that came 00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:34.660 up closer. As they got closer, you could see 00:17:34.660 --> 00:17:37.319 like, I wouldn't call it a screen. And it was 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:40.609 weird that I saw like a viewing area. But I didn't 00:17:40.609 --> 00:17:43.369 use the viewing area. I mean, I saw the viewing 00:17:43.369 --> 00:17:46.269 area. And then the next thing I know is they 00:17:46.269 --> 00:17:49.349 were it's heard it called the life lesson. And 00:17:49.349 --> 00:17:52.490 so that's when basically go over everything, 00:17:52.630 --> 00:17:55.069 you know, the way that you were with people and 00:17:55.069 --> 00:17:57.410 the way they reacted to you, you kind of get 00:17:57.410 --> 00:18:01.650 to see both sides of that. We usually call that 00:18:01.650 --> 00:18:04.089 a life review. Did you feel like you were reviewing 00:18:04.089 --> 00:18:06.789 back over things that happened? Yeah, I was reviewing. 00:18:06.990 --> 00:18:09.450 It was weird because I was what the review was. 00:18:09.690 --> 00:18:11.690 It wasn't that I was watching it. It was more 00:18:11.690 --> 00:18:14.769 like I was like an extra on a set because I mean, 00:18:14.849 --> 00:18:17.069 the one person's here. One's here. I'm here and 00:18:17.069 --> 00:18:19.170 I'm just watching it like I'm the third person 00:18:19.170 --> 00:18:21.849 in the room. It wasn't it. It wasn't like a playback. 00:18:22.029 --> 00:18:25.329 It was like a real time. I didn't get to see 00:18:25.329 --> 00:18:27.809 my side of the lesson review, but I got to see 00:18:27.809 --> 00:18:30.849 theirs. I just heard it, but I got to see their 00:18:30.849 --> 00:18:33.549 reaction and you get to feel their reaction. 00:18:33.769 --> 00:18:35.789 And I didn't have anything that was negative 00:18:35.789 --> 00:18:39.230 to me, but I did have it when I was probably 00:18:39.230 --> 00:18:42.410 about, how old was I, like nine? I was at school 00:18:42.410 --> 00:18:44.609 and I went into the bathroom and somebody had, 00:18:44.730 --> 00:18:48.390 some kids had taken this kid's clothes and taken 00:18:48.390 --> 00:18:50.569 off with his clothes. So there's this kid screaming, 00:18:50.970 --> 00:18:53.869 crying, naked in the bathroom. I went in there 00:18:53.869 --> 00:18:55.670 and that was the first thing I saw. It was just, 00:18:55.730 --> 00:18:57.710 wow, you know, so I went and got a teacher, brought 00:18:57.710 --> 00:19:01.009 them in. But what was significant, and I don't 00:19:01.009 --> 00:19:04.109 even know why this came to me on my life lesson, 00:19:04.569 --> 00:19:09.009 but it showed me how long it took for him to 00:19:09.009 --> 00:19:12.009 just get over that. I got to see the embarrassment 00:19:12.009 --> 00:19:15.170 with his family and having to face people in 00:19:15.170 --> 00:19:17.349 all the days of school. And I mean, I got to 00:19:17.349 --> 00:19:21.180 see how deeply that affected his, you know, I 00:19:21.180 --> 00:19:24.059 kind of followed his path a little bit and got 00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:27.160 to see what that did to him. And I mean, I've 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.660 always been way against bullying, but I mean, 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.880 that has killed it. And what's weird is that 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.240 when that life lesson happened, I do remember 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.500 that vividly. And it was just strange that that 00:19:38.500 --> 00:19:40.559 is the one thing that seemed to stuck out the 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.099 most was something that I wasn't really even 00:19:42.099 --> 00:19:46.849 a part of. Oh, thank goodness. Yeah, I do believe 00:19:46.849 --> 00:19:48.470 life lessons, and this is the thing about the 00:19:48.470 --> 00:19:50.329 life lessons, and this is what I always think 00:19:50.329 --> 00:19:53.430 I want to tell people, because how you treat 00:19:53.430 --> 00:19:57.430 people is so important, and their reaction, how 00:19:57.430 --> 00:20:00.930 you make people feel is so important. And I think 00:20:00.930 --> 00:20:04.069 that a lot of people, you know, really, if they 00:20:04.069 --> 00:20:07.089 knew, and it's not what, you wouldn't call it 00:20:07.089 --> 00:20:09.210 judgment. I mean, everybody else calls it judgment, 00:20:09.289 --> 00:20:11.289 and you're not being judged, you're the judge. 00:20:11.630 --> 00:20:14.430 The thing that I think is weird is that I'm watching 00:20:14.430 --> 00:20:17.349 that from the purest self of me. I'm not ego. 00:20:17.609 --> 00:20:21.670 I'm nothing. I am just energy. So I'm witnessing 00:20:21.670 --> 00:20:24.049 that from an energy standpoint. So when you're 00:20:24.049 --> 00:20:26.690 hearing life lessons and you say, okay, this 00:20:26.690 --> 00:20:28.509 is what was done and this is their reaction. 00:20:29.169 --> 00:20:31.069 A lot of people and I've heard people tell me 00:20:31.069 --> 00:20:32.609 it's like, well, yeah, when I get there though, 00:20:32.609 --> 00:20:34.869 there's a reason I'm not going to flinch because 00:20:34.869 --> 00:20:36.950 of that because they were this way to me. And 00:20:36.950 --> 00:20:39.470 so I was that way to them. But when you go to 00:20:39.470 --> 00:20:41.309 the life review, you're in the purest sense. 00:20:41.329 --> 00:20:43.950 You don't have that ego. You don't have that. 00:20:44.190 --> 00:20:46.930 You don't have the reason. You just get to witness 00:20:46.930 --> 00:20:50.309 the outcome. And so to me, if you were a bad 00:20:50.309 --> 00:20:53.869 person on earth and then you died and you had 00:20:53.869 --> 00:20:58.750 to witness everything that you did from an egoless 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:02.680 pure standpoint and not knowing, not being able 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:05.700 to feel the feelings and irritation and everything 00:21:05.700 --> 00:21:09.019 that made you say what you said. That seeing, 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:12.099 you know, the way that maybe people have pulled 00:21:12.099 --> 00:21:15.700 away from you the way you are, it's, it's amazingly 00:21:15.700 --> 00:21:19.400 eye opening. I mean, I just, I had always heard 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:21.380 that, you know, you're gonna have your life flash 00:21:21.380 --> 00:21:23.460 before your eyes, but I had no idea it would 00:21:23.460 --> 00:21:25.640 be like that. What's weird is when it happened, 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:28.240 it didn't even feel like I was learning anything. 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:30.759 It didn't feel like I was meant to learn anything. 00:21:30.980 --> 00:21:32.980 I mean, it was just, I think it was just a review 00:21:32.980 --> 00:21:37.480 and I was to do with it, whatever I felt. That's 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:42.180 the take I got. So in that void, you mentioned 00:21:42.180 --> 00:21:45.819 feeling acceptance and love. Can you explain 00:21:45.819 --> 00:21:48.319 that any further? What all you were feeling? 00:21:49.660 --> 00:21:53.099 It's, it's kind of like, I remember I have a, 00:21:53.099 --> 00:21:54.880 there's this weight thing. I mean, I think of 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:58.740 the body as being so weighed down. So much of 00:21:58.740 --> 00:22:01.420 your emotions is weighed within your body that 00:22:01.420 --> 00:22:06.079 it's the amount of just freedom that you feel 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:09.259 when you're out of this. That was just the amazing 00:22:09.259 --> 00:22:11.720 part. And then just the knowledge. I mean, you 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:14.440 just, everything was coming at me at once. I 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:17.240 mean, I could see the answers to any questions. 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:21.119 And I remember talking telepathically. with who 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:24.420 i was with and it seemed like such a real normal 00:22:24.420 --> 00:22:26.779 language i mean because i i remember hearing 00:22:26.779 --> 00:22:30.000 things but i was hearing it in my head in a voice 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.240 that i had heard before well i didn't have a 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:34.339 head but i mean it was you're hearing it in your 00:22:34.339 --> 00:22:37.240 in your conscious as you know as you've heard 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:41.619 other things before and who was with you I don't 00:22:41.619 --> 00:22:43.440 know who was with me. I know there was at least 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:45.460 one. Since I've been growing up, I've always 00:22:45.460 --> 00:22:48.700 had the feeling that I've had some, like a guardian 00:22:48.700 --> 00:22:51.619 angel with me. And I've always felt like I have 00:22:51.619 --> 00:22:54.359 people around me, like spirits around me. I think 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:58.180 that it was actually my guardian angel, which 00:22:58.180 --> 00:23:00.119 again, I'm still trying to figure out if it's 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.160 me or not. It could have been me, the higher 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:08.640 self of me doing it, or I don't really know for 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.869 sure. I mean, that's, that's a thing that's always 00:23:10.869 --> 00:23:14.430 kind of weird. Yeah. All right. What do you remember 00:23:14.430 --> 00:23:17.670 that happened next after the void and the life 00:23:17.670 --> 00:23:20.210 lessons? I love that term, by the way, because 00:23:20.210 --> 00:23:22.650 we are supposed to learn from that life review. 00:23:23.430 --> 00:23:25.789 Okay. What happened next? But I remember next 00:23:25.789 --> 00:23:28.789 after the life review, I remember it was weird 00:23:28.789 --> 00:23:31.710 because like a floor almost appeared kind of, 00:23:31.730 --> 00:23:34.890 it just kind of came into focus and then a wall, 00:23:35.049 --> 00:23:37.690 a white wall came. up and over as far as you 00:23:37.690 --> 00:23:39.549 could see and there were just books like white 00:23:39.549 --> 00:23:41.089 with gold writing and they all kind of looked 00:23:41.089 --> 00:23:44.390 the same and I remember a book coming down to 00:23:44.390 --> 00:23:47.730 me and just as we were starting to look at it 00:23:47.730 --> 00:23:50.089 and I had no idea what this was I mean I'm just 00:23:50.089 --> 00:23:52.650 step number whatever's next and as soon as they 00:23:52.650 --> 00:23:56.549 opened that book I heard the word clear and boom 00:23:56.549 --> 00:24:00.609 I had that defibrillator shock that it was weird 00:24:00.609 --> 00:24:03.049 that I heard the word clear and I felt every 00:24:03.049 --> 00:24:06.440 volt of that shock. It felt like I was slammed 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:09.000 so hard that if you grab somebody and you slam 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:11.000 them against the metal door, like a warehouse 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:14.700 door, that sound of that's what it just sounded 00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:18.299 so abrupt. I mean, that's as far as I got. I 00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:20.799 remember seeing the book came down and they opened 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:24.440 it and clear everything clear and then boom. 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:29.480 And it was, it was, it was bad. So you were experiencing. 00:24:30.059 --> 00:24:32.559 Things from the other side from being out of 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:35.279 your body and then all of a sudden heard something 00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:39.640 from the physical side, correct? Okay, and I 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.279 think it's I think it's hilarious that you use 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:46.079 the term slammed because that is the one That 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.839 I hear the very most about people coming back 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.180 into their bodies It is not a soft gentle kind 00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:56.119 of thing. Usually it's a BAM harsh and it happened 00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:59.079 to me a couple times that way. What's weird is 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:01.859 that I don't know why I felt the shock. If I'm 00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:05.119 truly still out, when they said clear, boom, 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:09.099 I felt that. And through my eight deaths, I never 00:25:09.099 --> 00:25:12.359 woke up once. So all of these deaths are intertwined. 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.240 So from there, I died, I came back, but I never 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.319 woke up. And then the next thing I remember, 00:25:18.500 --> 00:25:22.019 boom, once again, I'm out. But this time instead 00:25:22.019 --> 00:25:24.920 of looking at myself head -on It was like my 00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:27.279 head I was facing the other direction and I was 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:30.920 behind my body and I was above the ambulance 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:32.660 But when you're when you're like that, I mean 00:25:32.660 --> 00:25:34.759 your eyesight you can see through metal It doesn't 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:36.960 it's like it's not there So I'm like 20 feet 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:38.940 above the ambulance just watching them work on 00:25:38.940 --> 00:25:40.839 me and I've seen that another ambulance drove 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:43.039 up in a fire truck So I was two ambulances a 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:45.839 fire truck and there's like five people inside 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.019 The ambulance trying to work on me and there 00:25:48.019 --> 00:25:50.480 were a couple standing in the parking lot And 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:52.799 I heard one of the people say this is turning 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.000 into a clown car, you know, because of the bumping 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:58.039 into each other. And I was just watching the 00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:00.940 rustling and all this stuff. The next thing I 00:26:00.940 --> 00:26:03.339 know, I blinked. This time it was weird because 00:26:03.339 --> 00:26:07.619 this time I looked down instead of up when I 00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:11.160 when I left. So what I saw was the shrinking. 00:26:11.619 --> 00:26:13.799 It was like, you know, if you were seeing like 00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:15.599 a rocket ship from the rocket's point of view, 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:18.440 how they show those views. But it was like I 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:20.819 could see back and I could see like silver it 00:26:20.819 --> 00:26:23.079 looked like silver sparks twirling a little bit 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:25.319 for some reason it almost looked like a Like 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:28.299 I was leaving a wake Going through and so I look 00:26:28.299 --> 00:26:30.779 back and I could see the ambulance the state 00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:32.680 the country the world and you could see the curve 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:35.059 of the earth that's why I put that curve on the 00:26:35.059 --> 00:26:37.640 cover of the book that was the vision that I 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.279 remember seeing is that curve of the earth and 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.579 That one didn't last very long I basically got 00:26:44.579 --> 00:26:46.880 up to the void and got up there and then I heard 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:51.920 clear again and I was slammed back in. At that 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:54.920 time it seemed even more harsh. That one it didn't 00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:57.000 feel, I don't know, it didn't feel like I made 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.099 it in, if that makes sense. Although still I 00:27:00.099 --> 00:27:02.759 am unconscious, so this is all still happening 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:07.180 within one big long dream sequence. But after 00:27:07.180 --> 00:27:09.619 I was back in my body that time, and I didn't 00:27:09.619 --> 00:27:11.559 really get that far, it seemed like I got out 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:13.980 and kind of went back in. Then the next time 00:27:13.980 --> 00:27:16.720 was in the emergency room. I remember just like 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.339 raising up. I couldn't even tell where I raised 00:27:18.339 --> 00:27:21.160 from, but I raised up and you could see the delivery 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.279 room and it was a three corners and a round wall, 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:26.579 which I don't know why that stuck in my head 00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:29.480 and that I could see my doctor working on me, 00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:33.440 the body. He had a bald head and so I kind of 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.369 saw that and I remember pulling out of that scene 00:27:36.369 --> 00:27:39.549 and these are just memories and I hope to get 00:27:39.549 --> 00:27:41.410 more of this through hypnosis or whatever because 00:27:41.410 --> 00:27:43.589 I know there's more to this I just I think I 00:27:43.589 --> 00:27:45.289 came back with a little bit of damage because 00:27:45.289 --> 00:27:47.529 of the 20 minutes without oxygen they said I 00:27:47.529 --> 00:27:50.410 would I just think that with that much trauma 00:27:50.410 --> 00:27:53.369 and the damage I've had a hard time piecing everything 00:27:53.369 --> 00:27:56.210 together and getting the full story but I do 00:27:56.210 --> 00:27:59.710 remember getting out in the hospital I went down 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:03.779 a few halls, and I did see people in my similar 00:28:03.779 --> 00:28:05.880 situation, so you could see people like there 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:09.400 were spirits in the hospital, and you would get 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.799 their eye contact, but you could tell them from 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.299 the regular people through your eyes, they just 00:28:15.299 --> 00:28:17.579 looked different. I don't know, that's weird, 00:28:17.779 --> 00:28:20.619 but they look different when you are out of your 00:28:20.619 --> 00:28:22.619 body, and then they look different when you're 00:28:22.619 --> 00:28:25.339 in your body when you see them. In what way? 00:28:25.710 --> 00:28:28.210 When you're out of body everything looks weird. 00:28:28.210 --> 00:28:32.230 I mean everything is so Clear and so vibrant 00:28:32.230 --> 00:28:34.809 and so bright and so it almost seems like it's 00:28:34.809 --> 00:28:39.730 for you only you That was kind of the feeling 00:28:39.730 --> 00:28:43.849 of some of that. I'm sorry. I got lost again 00:28:43.849 --> 00:28:47.630 I had asked you in what way did these spirits 00:28:47.630 --> 00:28:50.990 look different when you were in that form? Yeah, 00:28:50.990 --> 00:28:53.789 I would say that they looked they looked pulsing 00:28:54.029 --> 00:28:56.990 I guess probably yet. They looked more lit and 00:28:56.990 --> 00:29:01.609 pulsing when I was in their same situation as 00:29:01.609 --> 00:29:05.230 they did when I saw the same thing outside of 00:29:05.230 --> 00:29:08.029 death. What happened was I went through the hallways 00:29:08.029 --> 00:29:09.569 and I remember seeing a couple different people. 00:29:09.569 --> 00:29:12.349 I went into the waiting room where my family 00:29:12.349 --> 00:29:14.869 was, my kids and my mom. They were all in there 00:29:14.869 --> 00:29:19.009 really upset. And that is really pretty much 00:29:19.009 --> 00:29:22.059 the only thing that I can remember so far. From 00:29:22.059 --> 00:29:25.359 the actual death part itself. I want to get more 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.079 of it because I know there's got to be more they 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:31.039 they estimated me at 20 20 minutes without oxygen 00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.220 which is Quite a bit, but I think it was if you 00:29:34.220 --> 00:29:36.319 look I put it in the book I put kind of a breakdown 00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.559 of what happened There was a couple times where 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:40.119 I was gone longer and I don't even know if that 00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:41.700 matters because when you're on the other side 00:29:41.700 --> 00:29:43.660 There's no time. I mean you can tell there's 00:29:43.660 --> 00:29:47.279 no time. It's just everything is there I remember 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.569 being on the other side at one point And I think 00:29:49.569 --> 00:29:51.589 it might have been the second time when I went 00:29:51.589 --> 00:29:55.869 up that, you know, being musical in my history 00:29:55.869 --> 00:29:59.609 is when I got out of the void and things were 00:29:59.609 --> 00:30:01.990 starting to fill in as far as color wise goes. 00:30:02.329 --> 00:30:05.789 I remember seeing a D, like a large D, like popped 00:30:05.789 --> 00:30:07.690 out and was coming toward me. And it was the 00:30:07.690 --> 00:30:09.769 note D because it had the little music thing 00:30:09.769 --> 00:30:11.250 on there. I mean, I guess they were trying to 00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:14.230 sell me on the note. But when it came closer, 00:30:14.269 --> 00:30:17.430 it started to break apart. And then I broke apart. 00:30:17.990 --> 00:30:19.890 It was strange because I broke apart, it broke 00:30:19.890 --> 00:30:22.490 apart, and I actually got to become the note. 00:30:22.650 --> 00:30:24.730 It was like you could feel it, you were a part 00:30:24.730 --> 00:30:26.529 of it. And I think that's the thing that is hard 00:30:26.529 --> 00:30:28.289 to describe about the other side. It's not you're 00:30:28.289 --> 00:30:31.089 not watching it, you're part of it. People will 00:30:31.089 --> 00:30:33.809 always say, what was it like? Did it look this 00:30:33.809 --> 00:30:37.630 way? You're just, that's the only way to describe 00:30:37.630 --> 00:30:40.839 it, really. All right. In a minute, we're going 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.319 to be talking about the long emotional, what 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:46.700 would we call it, journey back from this because 00:30:46.700 --> 00:30:49.539 it was pretty tough. But physically, what was 00:30:49.539 --> 00:30:52.579 it like? What was your diagnosis and what did 00:30:52.579 --> 00:30:55.900 it take to get better? Physically, the diagnosis, 00:30:55.980 --> 00:30:57.720 I don't remember. And it's weird because everybody 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.180 else who has died, I've watched these NDEs, they 00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:02.920 all can rattle off what they died. You know, 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.140 big long words you've never heard of. I don't 00:31:05.140 --> 00:31:08.500 know. It's in the book and I know what happened. 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.460 I guess there's a back valve and it's not the 00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:13.339 worst of the worst. It's not like what they call 00:31:13.339 --> 00:31:16.099 a widow maker and you know, it's another valve 00:31:16.099 --> 00:31:18.119 and they said it was kind of through hypertension. 00:31:18.859 --> 00:31:21.900 That's why it happened. But when I woke up, I 00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:24.079 remember waking up in the ICU and that was a 00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.519 weird thing because when I woke up, they had 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:28.759 the tube down your throat that they put in, you 00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:32.000 know, and that felt like a garden hose. I'm claustrophobic 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.000 and that really fed into that claustrophobia 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.279 feeling for some reason. And I remember waking 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:38.339 up and I just felt like I couldn't breathe. And 00:31:38.339 --> 00:31:41.599 I reached for the hose and a nurse grabbed my 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:43.779 hand and then some other nurse grabbed my other 00:31:43.779 --> 00:31:47.019 arm so they tied me down. And so I was tied down. 00:31:47.180 --> 00:31:49.380 That's not good for a weirdo like me. So I'm 00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:51.779 just kind of freaking out. I can't breathe. My 00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:53.460 wife at the time was telling me, just, you know, 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.460 calm down. I mean, yeah, calm down. Yeah, calm 00:31:56.460 --> 00:31:59.019 down. If you're dying in front of everybody drowning 00:31:59.019 --> 00:32:01.579 in an inch of water, it felt like. And what was 00:32:01.579 --> 00:32:03.720 weird about the ICU is that it didn't look like 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.460 a room. It looked like a cave. it was like the 00:32:06.460 --> 00:32:10.119 walls were the walls appeared like like rock 00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.359 walls and the the lighting was kind of like if 00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.420 there were like torches in there and i i can 00:32:15.420 --> 00:32:17.880 never figure out and it seemed like i was laying 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:22.259 in a bed and people were walking by but i know 00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:24.319 that we i only had visitors that came in you 00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:25.960 know you're an icu so they don't have that many 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.299 people in but they would come in and i remember 00:32:28.299 --> 00:32:31.359 seeing people there but always around them was 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:35.890 this scene of This weird cave thing and I've 00:32:35.890 --> 00:32:37.289 never been able to figure out nobody's really 00:32:37.289 --> 00:32:41.069 had any Opinion about why I mean, I'm not gone 00:32:41.069 --> 00:32:44.049 anymore. I'm back Well, I guess you could say 00:32:44.049 --> 00:32:46.549 half back, you know, because I think when you're 00:32:46.549 --> 00:32:48.950 first back you're not back I mean you're back, 00:32:48.970 --> 00:32:51.410 but you're a little in a little out and that 00:32:51.410 --> 00:32:53.849 could be a reason for it But I just don't know 00:32:53.849 --> 00:32:55.630 what the cave because I mean that's when I was 00:32:55.630 --> 00:32:57.809 back in my body My own eyes are open. I'm looking 00:32:57.809 --> 00:33:01.660 at things and it still looked that way So that 00:33:01.660 --> 00:33:03.279 seemed weird to me and then of course, you know 00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:04.859 when that when you're an ICU and you're waking 00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:06.940 up you're in you're out people coming by you 00:33:06.940 --> 00:33:09.480 don't really You're not paying attention and 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:11.779 then the next thing I knew I woke up in the actual 00:33:11.779 --> 00:33:14.019 like recovery room They put me in a different 00:33:14.019 --> 00:33:16.420 room, you know I was supposed to be in the hospital 00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:18.420 for they said three weeks and I think I was in 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:21.200 there for four days Because I couldn't take it. 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.579 I was just like I can't I gotta get out and I 00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:26.640 had just gotten a job I'd got laid off two years 00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:29.160 prior and it was in that bad economy and I was 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:30.500 having a hard time. Finally, I've been looking 00:33:30.500 --> 00:33:32.759 for all this time. Finally found a job. Three 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:35.420 months later, I died. And all I'm thinking of 00:33:35.420 --> 00:33:38.539 is I just got this job and I needed to get back. 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.579 So I didn't allow myself any recovery time. So 00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:45.559 yeah, it was 10 days. I went home. I had two 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.660 cracked ribs, I think, and burn marks on my chest. 00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:50.759 I mean, like real good burn marks. Some of those, 00:33:50.859 --> 00:33:52.619 some were like the perfect square of the paddle. 00:33:53.259 --> 00:33:56.920 You know and then I had bit my tongue Every time 00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:59.339 they shocked me and I think they if right they 00:33:59.339 --> 00:34:02.059 shocked me like 13 times or something So my tongue 00:34:02.059 --> 00:34:05.740 was like that thick so I couldn't talk I almost 00:34:05.740 --> 00:34:09.099 like a get out was like I You couldn't even understand 00:34:09.099 --> 00:34:11.380 it. So if the first couple days I was kind of 00:34:11.380 --> 00:34:14.119 like Yeah, you just nobody could hear what I 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:15.679 was saying I was just having to write things 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.960 down and it was due to the Chomping on my tongue. 00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:21.840 I mean that hurt And the ribs, the ribs were 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.159 intense. I mean, I get it. I'm happy that they 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.239 did that. But man, they beat me up to get me 00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:29.500 back. But I mean, you you felt all of that in 00:34:29.500 --> 00:34:33.340 that room. Well, and and when people do CPR with 00:34:33.340 --> 00:34:35.920 chest compression, same thing. It can break ribs 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.699 and and things that can be rough. All right. 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:41.039 Thank you. Thank you for sharing all of that. 00:34:41.619 --> 00:34:44.000 I want to move on to the next thing that we're 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:45.780 going to talk about, because it doesn't get talked 00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:49.789 about enough. And that is that for a lot of people 00:34:49.789 --> 00:34:52.769 after an experience like this, they come back 00:34:52.769 --> 00:34:55.630 and it's very difficult integrating back into 00:34:55.630 --> 00:35:00.489 regular life. Being back in your body after having 00:35:00.489 --> 00:35:04.030 such an amazing experience. And you have to go 00:35:04.030 --> 00:35:07.590 back to reality, basically. What was that like 00:35:07.590 --> 00:35:10.449 for you? How hard was that? It's weird because 00:35:10.449 --> 00:35:13.510 when they put me in my own room, everybody knew 00:35:13.510 --> 00:35:15.150 that I did. They kind of knew my story at the 00:35:15.150 --> 00:35:17.809 hospital. they were calling me, you know, miracle, 00:35:18.050 --> 00:35:20.929 the miracle. I mean, I don't, I guess it's because 00:35:20.929 --> 00:35:22.909 of the, you know, how many, how close I came, 00:35:23.289 --> 00:35:25.449 but in the fact that I didn't, I basically came 00:35:25.449 --> 00:35:28.329 out unscathed. I mean, I have memory problems. 00:35:28.570 --> 00:35:31.170 That's fine. I, my eyesight, as soon as I came 00:35:31.170 --> 00:35:34.070 back, my eyesight was screwed. I mean, I had 00:35:34.070 --> 00:35:37.630 2020 and when I came back, my, I can't read close 00:35:37.630 --> 00:35:39.889 up anymore. And I've heard different versions 00:35:39.889 --> 00:35:43.340 of that. Maybe it's the deaf. you know, your 00:35:43.340 --> 00:35:47.159 eyes kind of rebooted weird or that the shock, 00:35:47.300 --> 00:35:49.340 I guess, can have something, you know, can have 00:35:49.340 --> 00:35:51.019 an effect on your eyes being shocked like that. 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.980 But the only thing I felt the effect wise from 00:35:53.980 --> 00:35:58.579 all of it was those two things. But the first 00:35:58.579 --> 00:36:01.000 night that I was in the recovery room in my own 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.719 room, my daughter had stayed. She decided she 00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:06.179 was going to stay in the room. So she got there 00:36:06.179 --> 00:36:09.480 was a cot in the room. So she laid in the cot 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.019 for the first night when I was out of ICU. I 00:36:12.019 --> 00:36:15.320 just remember laying there watching TV and seeing 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.480 a guy come in and he was in a like a hospital 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.400 gown walked over and I could tell this is when 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.340 I was seeing but remember when I mentioned that 00:36:24.340 --> 00:36:27.760 they look different? This person still looked 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:29.840 a little different, but I was looking at him 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.460 through my eyes, not the other eye, the lack 00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:34.800 of eyes that I was using before. So what I was 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:36.880 noticing in this time was that when he walked 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.159 over to me, it was almost like a slow gate, and 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:41.360 he was standing over me like really trying to 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.900 get a point across. And I mean, I'm seeing him 00:36:43.900 --> 00:36:45.820 just like he's standing there. I mean, it looked 00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:47.480 like a guy walked in and was trying to talk to 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:50.019 me. His hair was kind of moved weird. And he 00:36:50.019 --> 00:36:52.480 looked like Kenny Loggins, the guy who sang Footloose. 00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:55.119 He looked like him, like back the way he used 00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.139 to look. He kept trying to get my attention. 00:36:57.380 --> 00:36:59.159 And I said, I, you know, finally I said, I can't, 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.420 I can't understand you. And he kind of just looked 00:37:01.420 --> 00:37:03.860 disappointed, walked out. And it was like an 00:37:03.860 --> 00:37:07.099 hour later, another woman shows up and she walks 00:37:07.099 --> 00:37:09.340 into the room. Same thing, but she had like a 00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:11.260 white, it was like one of those white cotton. 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.320 You know those dress things that like in the 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.460 old country western movies that they wear, you 00:37:16.460 --> 00:37:18.599 know, like half pint goes to bed in her little 00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:20.679 whatever it is. That's what she looked like she 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.340 was she was wearing and she came over to me and 00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:25.039 she was like leaning over and she was trying 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.119 to say something and she had long black hair 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:28.840 and it was kind of flowy it almost looked a little 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.400 underwater and I finally had to tell her I don't 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:34.880 I can't I can't understand you and then she kind 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:36.639 of just looked disappointed and she walked out 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.639 and That was when I was starting to think you 00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.289 know are these like real people? Are they dead 00:37:42.289 --> 00:37:45.130 people? It was like two days later, it was a 00:37:45.130 --> 00:37:47.949 Sunday and the Broncos were playing. So my family, 00:37:48.130 --> 00:37:49.969 the kids and everybody came over and kind of 00:37:49.969 --> 00:37:51.889 hung out in the room to watch the game. And as 00:37:51.889 --> 00:37:54.789 the game's going, these two kids walked in. One 00:37:54.789 --> 00:37:57.329 was like, I'd say about eight, eight and six. 00:37:57.550 --> 00:37:59.670 Boy was eight and girl was six, both blonde hair. 00:37:59.710 --> 00:38:02.710 Boy had a red robe. Girl had a blue robe. Kind 00:38:02.710 --> 00:38:04.449 of weave their way around. The people that were 00:38:04.449 --> 00:38:07.050 in the room came right up next to my bed. And 00:38:07.050 --> 00:38:09.650 my hand was laying on the bed watching the TV. 00:38:09.869 --> 00:38:12.809 And I saw the girl grab my arm and pulled it. 00:38:12.969 --> 00:38:15.349 And when she pulled it, my arm went up and went 00:38:15.349 --> 00:38:18.230 down. So my daughter was sitting over here. She 00:38:18.230 --> 00:38:20.530 goes, what are you doing? And I'm like, who are 00:38:20.530 --> 00:38:23.510 these kids? And she goes, what kids? And as soon 00:38:23.510 --> 00:38:25.869 as she said what kids, they both turned around 00:38:25.869 --> 00:38:28.030 and walked away. What was weird is when they 00:38:28.030 --> 00:38:31.170 walked away, they both were looking back at me 00:38:31.170 --> 00:38:32.670 the whole way until they disappeared through 00:38:32.670 --> 00:38:34.929 the doorway. It was just kind of weird the way 00:38:34.929 --> 00:38:37.369 that happened. From that, I thought things were 00:38:37.369 --> 00:38:39.139 going to be a little different. you know, because 00:38:39.139 --> 00:38:42.320 I could sense, I could always sense people and 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.579 sense energies around me and pick up on people's 00:38:45.579 --> 00:38:48.300 attitudes. And I was very empathetic as far as 00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:52.519 just being able to feel other people's stuff, 00:38:52.699 --> 00:38:56.679 pain, anguish, things like that. But after this, 00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:59.539 that empathy thing just cranked it up to 10. 00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:04.000 I mean, now it's I have a hard time with the 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.179 empathy part of it. And it's a part of the integration, 00:39:06.460 --> 00:39:09.610 too. I mean, just trying to Integrate all of 00:39:09.610 --> 00:39:12.710 these things and have a point and purpose has 00:39:12.710 --> 00:39:15.409 been probably the hardest part So the problem 00:39:15.409 --> 00:39:19.329 is too much empathy Yeah overload. I mean I've 00:39:19.329 --> 00:39:22.190 always had kind of like, you know, I can feel 00:39:22.190 --> 00:39:25.230 for somebody or I can like if I'm When I was 00:39:25.230 --> 00:39:27.670 when I was growing up before this happened I 00:39:27.670 --> 00:39:30.170 I always had anxiety and I would have just had 00:39:30.170 --> 00:39:33.289 a nowhere anxiety Like just being in a store 00:39:33.289 --> 00:39:36.070 being anywhere anywhere where there were people 00:39:36.070 --> 00:39:38.429 sometimes I would just get this I would just 00:39:38.429 --> 00:39:41.190 take on. I don't know why it was. I always thought 00:39:41.190 --> 00:39:43.389 it was just my own disorder, you know, is that 00:39:43.389 --> 00:39:44.829 I have it goes along with all the other things 00:39:44.829 --> 00:39:47.449 I have like OCD and I think I have a little bit 00:39:47.449 --> 00:39:50.909 of everything. OCD, anxiety, intrusive thoughts, 00:39:51.550 --> 00:39:53.929 bipolar. I mean, all these things kind of add 00:39:53.929 --> 00:39:56.090 up. And what's funny is, on a side note, I've 00:39:56.090 --> 00:39:59.170 been told from a medium girl that I know that 00:39:59.170 --> 00:40:01.570 I chose this because they say you can choose 00:40:01.570 --> 00:40:05.030 your lives. And apparently I chose to have a 00:40:05.030 --> 00:40:09.190 difficult mind. life this time. And so that's 00:40:09.190 --> 00:40:11.949 why I have all these little, I don't have anything 00:40:11.949 --> 00:40:14.349 that's full blown. It's just little bits of a 00:40:14.349 --> 00:40:17.809 bunch of little things. So I know the integration 00:40:17.809 --> 00:40:20.030 can be very difficult. And you had mentioned 00:40:20.030 --> 00:40:22.449 to me previously how it was, it came with some 00:40:22.449 --> 00:40:26.550 depression and some other things. And I want 00:40:26.550 --> 00:40:29.869 you to give us an idea before we wrap up. How 00:40:29.869 --> 00:40:33.150 much fear of death did this leave you with? And 00:40:33.150 --> 00:40:35.610 how did it change your life and your personality, 00:40:35.630 --> 00:40:39.250 if at all? Well, there's no fear of death. It's 00:40:39.250 --> 00:40:42.070 it's weird is that I fear pain, but I don't fear 00:40:42.070 --> 00:40:46.510 death I don't I don't have any any lingering 00:40:46.510 --> 00:40:49.909 ideas about You know, I know I know now that 00:40:49.909 --> 00:40:52.449 we don't finish I mean we just and I had a I 00:40:52.449 --> 00:40:54.230 had a thing with my dad one time in here like 00:40:54.230 --> 00:40:57.110 because he's deceased but I connected to him 00:40:57.110 --> 00:40:59.449 one time and was kind of doing a channeling just 00:40:59.449 --> 00:41:03.590 me just with him on my own and He had referred 00:41:03.590 --> 00:41:07.869 to it as sliding out Because you kind of do slide 00:41:07.869 --> 00:41:11.349 out of your body and when I slid back in it just 00:41:11.349 --> 00:41:13.489 didn't seem like I fit very well it seemed like 00:41:13.489 --> 00:41:16.090 I was like I had a bit of an aura around me that 00:41:16.090 --> 00:41:20.130 didn't go in and Everything seemed odd like my 00:41:20.130 --> 00:41:22.730 legs felt different. My arms felt different to 00:41:22.730 --> 00:41:24.469 me. My hands look different I mean everything 00:41:24.469 --> 00:41:27.550 was kind of weird in that way and and then another 00:41:27.550 --> 00:41:29.610 thing the one of the harder parts of that is 00:41:29.610 --> 00:41:32.280 that Now that you know you move on, it takes 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:34.280 away the importance of this life. And I didn't 00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:35.739 want to lose the importance of this life, but 00:41:35.739 --> 00:41:37.360 I was starting to lose it. I was just thinking, 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.219 if I don't get it right this time, I'll get it 00:41:39.219 --> 00:41:41.380 right next time. And that's not a good way to 00:41:41.380 --> 00:41:43.860 think. One, you're not going to be in this situation 00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:46.079 next time. So who knows what you're going to 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.539 do. And so the reason that I wrote my book and 00:41:48.539 --> 00:41:53.079 called it what it is, is it's my own. think is 00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:55.280 that I have to look at that and think I am this 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:56.719 world because my book is called I Am This World. 00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.820 And it's to remind you that you are this world. 00:41:59.900 --> 00:42:02.619 Quit living in the afterlife, quit thinking about 00:42:02.619 --> 00:42:05.760 the afterlife, quit knowing so much and get back 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.940 on track. Because, you know, I have a lot of 00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:11.900 time left being this Michael person. I'm only 00:42:11.900 --> 00:42:15.219 60. If I have another fourth quarter of my existence, 00:42:15.219 --> 00:42:19.849 I need to be available for that life. And I could 00:42:19.849 --> 00:42:21.610 find myself afterwards, some of the depression 00:42:21.610 --> 00:42:24.289 was, you're just kind of cashing out. It's fake, 00:42:24.309 --> 00:42:27.449 I don't care. And you don't care. And that leads 00:42:27.449 --> 00:42:29.110 to depression, darkness. I mean, I went through 00:42:29.110 --> 00:42:31.269 a dark time afterward and then came back out 00:42:31.269 --> 00:42:32.929 of it. But yeah, there were some dark times after 00:42:32.929 --> 00:42:35.610 that. And I think it was due to knowing that 00:42:35.610 --> 00:42:37.690 feeling of knowing that knowing that we live 00:42:37.690 --> 00:42:39.550 on, knowing that there's more to this, knowing 00:42:39.550 --> 00:42:43.449 that this isn't it. That concept was depressive 00:42:43.449 --> 00:42:46.869 at first, and now I find it a blessing. But yeah, 00:42:46.909 --> 00:42:49.389 I was a depressed. It was probably about six 00:42:49.389 --> 00:42:52.289 years of really lowness after this that followed. 00:42:52.550 --> 00:42:54.929 So it was nice to come out of it. And I think 00:42:54.929 --> 00:42:58.449 now I'm starting to learn how to integrate back 00:42:58.449 --> 00:43:01.309 into what I was and figure out what I want to 00:43:01.309 --> 00:43:05.809 be. I mean, I've managed to lose like 80 pounds 00:43:05.809 --> 00:43:10.389 just by willing it. I was like 240 pounds. And 00:43:10.389 --> 00:43:12.250 one day I was just like, I want to get down to 00:43:12.250 --> 00:43:15.659 about 160, 170. And then the weight just started 00:43:15.659 --> 00:43:17.880 dropping off. I didn't do anything extra. I just 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.440 didn't feel that hungry. And then the weight 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:25.239 just dropped off. And now I'm at 165. So, I mean, 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:27.940 for some reason, I have no idea how I did it. 00:43:28.099 --> 00:43:30.659 I reached my target weight without trying. If 00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:32.559 you could figure out how, that's what you should 00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:36.260 put into a book. That's where you'd make the 00:43:36.260 --> 00:43:39.280 big bucks. Well, I want to do a book next called 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.079 The Theory of Knowing that kind of explains some 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.340 theories of that I have that come from the knowing. 00:43:45.340 --> 00:43:48.219 You can take what you know about life and then 00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:50.599 simple things that I see in life that kind of 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.019 coincide with what I know is real. You know, 00:43:54.139 --> 00:43:57.119 I mean you see sparkles of things in life and 00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:59.559 it's just that that's kind of another aspect 00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.239 that I'm trying to look at is, you know, trying 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:04.579 to make sense of the knowing of it and how to 00:44:04.579 --> 00:44:07.739 use that knowing. Yeah, Michael, I want to thank 00:44:07.739 --> 00:44:11.039 you for coming on with me today and and say hi 00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.440 to your daughter who's originally who reached 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.900 out to me about this and said you've got to hear 00:44:16.900 --> 00:44:19.880 my dad's story before I let you go. Would you 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.900 just leave us with I know you have no fear of 00:44:23.900 --> 00:44:27.440 death and you have this great hope in the future 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.500 and know that there's an afterlife for someone 00:44:30.500 --> 00:44:34.000 who's maybe wondering and doubting. You've got 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.340 the last word. Leave them with a message of hope. 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:39.719 I don't know what I mean. There's so many. The 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.840 problem with death is that it's marred with all 00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:44.760 kinds of thoughts. There's religion. There's 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:46.260 everything that goes with it. There's people 00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:49.219 can feel like I have to earn it. Or the main 00:44:49.219 --> 00:44:52.159 thing is it is and this is what a lot of people 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.019 had a problem with. And I have a problem with 00:44:54.019 --> 00:44:56.960 still when I came back is that what is my point? 00:44:57.099 --> 00:45:01.110 What is my purpose? I just know that, and I've 00:45:01.110 --> 00:45:02.630 even heard people say that when there's a car 00:45:02.630 --> 00:45:05.369 accident, that you're pulled out before that. 00:45:05.710 --> 00:45:08.110 You're not your body. I mean, that's the one 00:45:08.110 --> 00:45:10.710 thing that is hard to describe. It's hard to 00:45:10.710 --> 00:45:13.010 get people to understand. You are the energy 00:45:13.010 --> 00:45:14.869 that drives the body. You're like the battery 00:45:14.869 --> 00:45:17.550 in the toy. When the battery is pulled, the toy 00:45:17.550 --> 00:45:20.469 dies. And that's the way I look at it, as I am 00:45:20.469 --> 00:45:24.849 a battery of energy that just... does something 00:45:24.849 --> 00:45:26.909 else. I mean, when I was pulled from that toy, 00:45:26.989 --> 00:45:29.349 I looked in his eyes and saw that there was nothing. 00:45:30.010 --> 00:45:32.550 I mean, that toy had no energy at all. That person 00:45:32.550 --> 00:45:34.750 had no energy at all. I think people get most 00:45:34.750 --> 00:45:36.829 afraid because they think that they are their 00:45:36.829 --> 00:45:39.369 body. And you know the body is going to die. 00:45:40.110 --> 00:45:42.429 So that is what people fear death for is because 00:45:42.429 --> 00:45:43.889 there's a permanence, there's a death there, 00:45:43.889 --> 00:45:46.369 but there's not a death there. You still see 00:45:46.369 --> 00:45:50.849 everything as it is, but better. You can do anything, 00:45:51.190 --> 00:45:55.960 but better. It's It's hard to, I know it's hard 00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:57.840 for me sometimes to figure out why we're here. 00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.059 And that's, I think, some of the main problem. 00:46:00.420 --> 00:46:02.599 I don't know how you get somebody to not fear 00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:05.900 death if they really do fear it. But I know a 00:46:05.900 --> 00:46:07.920 lot of people just think that, oh, what is my 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:09.519 purpose? What is my point? What am I supposed 00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:13.840 to be doing in this life? And it's really, it's 00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:17.000 the communication between others. Just pay attention 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.500 to that. That's the most important thing and 00:46:19.500 --> 00:46:22.199 there's really nothing to fear because once once 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.380 you leave Actually, I didn't even notice at first 00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:28.780 So that's as painful and traumatic as it seemed 00:46:28.780 --> 00:46:31.460 is that it was such a peaceful thing That it 00:46:31.460 --> 00:46:33.480 just seems so natural and I just went with it 00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.599 and it was not scary at all Seems like the summary 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.539 from what you've just said is your body might 00:46:40.539 --> 00:46:43.760 die, but you don't die That's why you don't need 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.659 to worry about it No, yeah, you everybody thinks 00:46:46.659 --> 00:46:49.639 what happens to me nothing you're fine. Your 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:53.940 body's not Perfect. Thank you, Michael. 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