WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.070 greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back 00:00:33.070 --> 00:00:36.829 home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. 00:00:39.210 --> 00:00:41.289 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody. 00:00:41.609 --> 00:00:43.770 And we have a very special guest today that we're 00:00:43.770 --> 00:00:47.369 going to learn a ton from. And that's Sally Reed. 00:00:47.469 --> 00:00:50.509 Good morning, Sally. Good morning. Thanks for 00:00:50.509 --> 00:00:53.570 having me. You're so welcome. I'm glad to have 00:00:53.570 --> 00:00:56.689 you on. We've worked a while to get this set 00:00:56.689 --> 00:01:00.210 up and today's finally the day. So here we go. 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:05.959 And I know we had some issues with different 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:08.900 different time zones. And that's OK. We've got 00:01:08.900 --> 00:01:11.620 it figured out now. So we're we're really grateful 00:01:11.620 --> 00:01:16.640 to have you. And before we jump into your two 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:19.780 near death experiences, will you take just a 00:01:19.780 --> 00:01:22.040 minute and tell us a little bit about Sally? 00:01:22.099 --> 00:01:24.340 We don't need a full life history, but just so 00:01:24.340 --> 00:01:27.519 people can get to know you a little bit. Sure 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:30.420 enough. I'm Sally. I am a woman of a certain 00:01:30.420 --> 00:01:34.640 age and I've been alive since the decade was 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:39.680 five. And so I've been alive for a little bit. 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:44.200 I've always felt like I didn't quite fit. There 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:47.780 was something apart and separate. And so it was 00:01:47.780 --> 00:01:50.099 one of those picky or pick a career kind of people. 00:01:50.500 --> 00:01:53.799 So I have been everything from chief dog catcher 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:59.129 of a metro Atlanta county. to exercise horse, 00:01:59.569 --> 00:02:02.870 race horse rider. I've been a swamp tech where 00:02:02.870 --> 00:02:07.390 I had to avoid copperheads and cotton mouths. 00:02:08.090 --> 00:02:12.590 I worked in factories. I've been phone worked 00:02:12.590 --> 00:02:15.590 on the phone, like being a secretary and stuff 00:02:15.590 --> 00:02:18.849 on the phone, calling and setting up stuff. I've 00:02:18.849 --> 00:02:23.349 even done voiceovers, but I didn't settle until 00:02:23.349 --> 00:02:27.300 I really, really embraced everything that I learned 00:02:27.300 --> 00:02:32.280 during my second NDE. It took me, I mean, it's 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:35.620 like I kept getting knocked from career to career, 00:02:35.979 --> 00:02:38.699 wrote for the newspaper, you name it, I've done 00:02:38.699 --> 00:02:40.699 it. That's a good tease right there of things 00:02:40.699 --> 00:02:43.840 to come. I'm just curious, of all those different 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.080 jobs, are there any that you would say, hey, 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:50.460 I recommend someone try this or oh, do not do 00:02:50.460 --> 00:02:53.509 the swamp thing? The swamp was actually really 00:02:53.509 --> 00:02:56.210 fun. I mean, imagine this, you're rolling out 00:02:56.210 --> 00:02:58.830 of bed, it's summertime in Georgia, and you know, 00:02:58.930 --> 00:03:02.129 the cicadas are screaming and all. And the first 00:03:02.129 --> 00:03:06.569 thing you do is back a Boston whaler into the 00:03:06.569 --> 00:03:09.669 Savannah River and roll down the river to your 00:03:09.669 --> 00:03:13.009 test plot. The sun is just rising, there's steam 00:03:13.009 --> 00:03:15.830 coming off the river. It's gorgeous. It was beautiful. 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.259 Yeah, every once in a while you step in the wrong 00:03:18.259 --> 00:03:20.620 place and you're like this deep in water, but 00:03:20.620 --> 00:03:23.080 the rest of it's okay. You know, except for the 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:27.419 radioactive part. I was at this river plant and 00:03:27.419 --> 00:03:32.159 we were testing for radioactive changes in the 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.800 plants and animals of the area. That's literally 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.979 what the job was. The good and the bad about 00:03:37.979 --> 00:03:40.620 the job. Yeah, really. And you glow in the dark 00:03:40.620 --> 00:03:42.659 now and that's the good side of it. You're your 00:03:42.659 --> 00:03:45.560 own nightlight. I really did get lit up a few 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:49.340 times. I did. Let's jump back in history. Back 00:03:49.340 --> 00:03:51.699 to those early early years. You were telling 00:03:51.699 --> 00:03:54.219 me something earlier that I find fascinating 00:03:54.219 --> 00:03:57.199 and I'm not sure what to do with this. And that 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:00.159 is that you can remember things from when you 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:04.020 were very very young. Give us a little explanation 00:04:04.020 --> 00:04:06.780 because that background matters on your first 00:04:06.780 --> 00:04:11.300 NDE. It does. And silly me you know like if you 00:04:11.300 --> 00:04:12.740 don't know any different you think everybody 00:04:12.740 --> 00:04:16.519 else is the same. What i do remember the moment 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:21.899 in time. When language went from you know just 00:04:21.899 --> 00:04:24.939 let me know charlie brown type noises to actual 00:04:24.939 --> 00:04:28.560 words it's like almost a click and that happens 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:31.180 around seven months i don't hold i was at the 00:04:31.180 --> 00:04:33.360 time cuz you know i couldn't do chronological 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:37.740 time but. It was very odd to be able to understand 00:04:37.740 --> 00:04:40.660 language and then struggled to be able to speak. 00:04:41.540 --> 00:04:43.459 And that's what that talking is that babies are 00:04:43.459 --> 00:04:46.100 doing. They're trying to talk. So when you talk 00:04:46.100 --> 00:04:48.060 back to them and show them the sounds that they're 00:04:48.060 --> 00:04:50.800 making, it actually helps for them to learn. 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:54.680 Another thing I remember is figuring out how 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:57.680 to, to cruise, they call it, you know, to how 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:02.360 to stand up enough to grab onto the couch. And 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.259 it was a 1950s pink couch. I do remember that. 00:05:05.699 --> 00:05:08.660 So that stage of going from crawling to standing 00:05:08.660 --> 00:05:13.060 up and eventually to walking. I do. And that 00:05:13.060 --> 00:05:15.540 moment of letting go and then going to the chair, 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:19.160 I remember this. It is so bizarre. Because I 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:21.480 wanted to avoid sitting down hard or falling 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:24.579 over and hitting my head. Because we learned 00:05:24.579 --> 00:05:28.980 through pain, right? It was a lot to understand 00:05:28.980 --> 00:05:30.839 that most people can't remember that kind of 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:35.100 thing. No, I know that I can't It's funny you 00:05:35.100 --> 00:05:37.879 bring that up because this afternoon I'm gonna 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:40.600 be watching my granddaughter who happens to be 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:44.560 exactly in that phase right now so what is she 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.339 gonna be thinking when she's standing up and 00:05:47.339 --> 00:05:51.459 she's going oh, I can't get over there yet, but 00:05:51.459 --> 00:05:54.259 Am I scared am I excited what's going through 00:05:54.259 --> 00:05:58.480 her brain? She's in discovery mode and for me 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:02.180 personally I had a running commentary in my head 00:06:02.180 --> 00:06:05.079 with, what if I did this? What if I did that? 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:10.680 I wonder what this is? Does it taste good? It's 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:15.060 all questions of what and just full discovery 00:06:15.060 --> 00:06:18.100 like this, like almost as vacuum cleaner of a 00:06:18.100 --> 00:06:20.959 brain. Like, what is that thing? What is this 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:25.509 thing? It's so curiosity driven and you'll notice 00:06:25.509 --> 00:06:28.189 that her attention will go From new thing to 00:06:28.189 --> 00:06:30.810 new thing if you make something new appear to 00:06:30.810 --> 00:06:34.250 her. She can't help it. She has to go to it It's 00:06:34.250 --> 00:06:37.889 really fun. And I do remember that just driving 00:06:37.889 --> 00:06:41.290 curiosity Yeah, I took her with me to Costco 00:06:41.290 --> 00:06:44.529 last week and I thought she was gonna get whiplash 00:06:44.529 --> 00:06:47.889 just Looking at everything. Anyway, we are so 00:06:47.889 --> 00:06:51.509 far off topic. I apologize listeners Let's get 00:06:51.509 --> 00:06:55.449 to this you were about three years old when the 00:06:55.449 --> 00:06:57.910 first experience happened Tell us what was going 00:06:57.910 --> 00:07:02.069 on what led up to it well, I was to have surgery 00:07:02.069 --> 00:07:06.509 as a three -year -old in the early 1960s and 00:07:06.509 --> 00:07:09.790 At the time they used ether on children they 00:07:09.790 --> 00:07:12.629 didn't have the intubation that they do now and 00:07:12.629 --> 00:07:14.170 evidently they must have given me too much and 00:07:14.170 --> 00:07:17.310 I I stop breathing. The first thing I remember 00:07:17.310 --> 00:07:20.569 in this, very classic to your listeners, is being 00:07:20.569 --> 00:07:25.889 above the scene and looking down. Like all very 00:07:25.889 --> 00:07:27.689 curious children, I was like, what are they doing 00:07:27.689 --> 00:07:33.149 to that little girl? I was looking at them. Other 00:07:33.149 --> 00:07:35.050 listeners may have said the same thing, I don't 00:07:35.050 --> 00:07:37.930 know. Then the next thing you know is the pull 00:07:37.930 --> 00:07:40.970 to the light. It's almost a physical pull to 00:07:40.970 --> 00:07:44.230 the light. And I do remember that going into 00:07:44.230 --> 00:07:48.029 the light and I remember the feeling of being 00:07:48.029 --> 00:07:52.949 safe and warm and protected and loved, you know, 00:07:52.990 --> 00:07:55.829 that feeling of belonging. It just felt so great. 00:07:56.550 --> 00:07:59.350 And then I remember being in the room, you know, 00:07:59.410 --> 00:08:03.310 with my grandmother who had passed away probably 00:08:03.310 --> 00:08:08.350 20 years before. That grandmother was there and 00:08:08.350 --> 00:08:12.180 she was telling me how happy she was to meet 00:08:12.180 --> 00:08:14.920 me and was telling me about the place and how 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:20.639 it wasn't my time. And I do remember going, no, 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:23.259 I want to stay. And she said, no, no, you have 00:08:23.259 --> 00:08:25.980 to go. Your mommy needs you. And I'm like, no, 00:08:26.139 --> 00:08:29.319 she doesn't. I do remember arguing with her. 00:08:29.540 --> 00:08:31.439 And then of course, the next thing I know is 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:34.379 I've woken up from the anesthesia and I'm in 00:08:34.379 --> 00:08:36.500 the hospital bed and I told telling the nurse 00:08:36.500 --> 00:08:40.120 about it. And she was, yeah, sure. That happens. 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:44.940 You know, it's funny because back then, 1950s, 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:48.700 60s, whenever this was, this wasn't a topic that 00:08:48.700 --> 00:08:52.259 was talked about much. Most adults didn't dare 00:08:52.259 --> 00:08:55.580 tell the nurse or doctor, or if they did, they 00:08:55.580 --> 00:08:59.019 were told, don't talk about it. You're going 00:08:59.019 --> 00:09:02.190 to end up upstairs in the psych ward. With a 00:09:02.190 --> 00:09:04.909 three year old, I wonder if she totally believed 00:09:04.909 --> 00:09:08.590 it or just thought it was, Oh, what a cute imagination 00:09:08.590 --> 00:09:12.129 or I don't know, but I'm glad that she didn't 00:09:12.129 --> 00:09:16.149 try to squash those memories or, or what you 00:09:16.149 --> 00:09:18.450 were telling her. No, she totally believed me. 00:09:18.590 --> 00:09:21.850 Now, my mother, no, my mother did not. She stopped 00:09:21.850 --> 00:09:26.129 that thing cold, but this nurse is she, she talked 00:09:26.129 --> 00:09:28.090 to me like, well, of course that's what happened. 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.519 That's really cool. We had a few months back 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:36.259 we had on the show Dr. Melvin Morse who's a pediatrician 00:09:36.259 --> 00:09:40.639 in Seattle and has studied NDEs in children. 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:44.860 What he does in addition to having them explain 00:09:44.860 --> 00:09:48.120 what happened to them is he gives them paper 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:51.259 and crayons and lets them color. Did you have 00:09:51.259 --> 00:09:54.320 a chance to do any of that? I do remember having 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:58.850 paper and crayons and coloring but I didn't really 00:09:58.850 --> 00:10:01.850 color about, oh boy, you have no idea how much 00:10:01.850 --> 00:10:03.889 it got shut down whenever I talk about grandma, 00:10:04.110 --> 00:10:06.009 because it was my mother's mom and she had passed 00:10:06.009 --> 00:10:09.149 away, right? So I did get shut down. Cause I 00:10:09.149 --> 00:10:12.029 do remember later on, I think I was like five, 00:10:12.429 --> 00:10:14.590 having a conversation with her while I was outside 00:10:14.590 --> 00:10:16.750 playing in the sandbox. And I came in and told 00:10:16.750 --> 00:10:19.750 my mother about it and that did not go over well. 00:10:20.469 --> 00:10:22.850 So you probably didn't feel like you could color 00:10:22.850 --> 00:10:25.110 it either or you were gonna kind of be in trouble 00:10:25.110 --> 00:10:27.009 It was like don't talk about it. Don't think 00:10:27.009 --> 00:10:30.009 about isn't not good This you get in trouble. 00:10:30.029 --> 00:10:31.850 Don't you know every kid knows this you tend 00:10:31.850 --> 00:10:33.690 not to do the things that get you in trouble. 00:10:35.309 --> 00:10:37.909 Yeah Were there any other details that you remember 00:10:37.909 --> 00:10:42.789 from that? I Remember we were sitting in Kind 00:10:42.789 --> 00:10:46.110 of a sunroom like I was not allowed to go fully 00:10:46.110 --> 00:10:49.690 into the garden I couldn't go actually in there. 00:10:50.149 --> 00:10:53.629 Grandma had me in this room, and I was like all 00:10:53.629 --> 00:10:55.490 toddlers do, wandering around the room, picking 00:10:55.490 --> 00:10:57.889 up things and looking at things. Then she called 00:10:57.889 --> 00:11:00.330 me in and had me sit on her lap, and that's when 00:11:00.330 --> 00:11:02.870 she told me I had to go. That is something I 00:11:02.870 --> 00:11:07.009 do remember. She pulled me in, and I barely got 00:11:07.009 --> 00:11:10.129 my, you know, the temper tantrum was going to 00:11:10.129 --> 00:11:14.429 start. Boom, I was gone. It was so instantaneous. 00:11:14.710 --> 00:11:19.210 Boom, boom. Just like arrival was, it was, I 00:11:19.210 --> 00:11:22.590 couldn't have avoided arriving. It was almost 00:11:22.590 --> 00:11:26.129 like suctioned up. And I don't know if other 00:11:26.129 --> 00:11:28.929 people have talked about that. There was no choice 00:11:28.929 --> 00:11:32.850 about it at the time you were going. Well, most 00:11:32.850 --> 00:11:36.029 people are actually given a choice. I was on 00:11:36.029 --> 00:11:38.490 the second one. Yes. Although some people have 00:11:38.490 --> 00:11:41.429 to be talked into it. Now you being a child that 00:11:41.429 --> 00:11:44.269 might make it kind of a different sort of situation. 00:11:44.590 --> 00:11:47.909 And a lot of people remember being put back into 00:11:47.909 --> 00:11:50.649 their bodies and can describe that feeling very 00:11:50.649 --> 00:11:54.029 clearly. My second one was very, very different. 00:11:54.750 --> 00:11:56.409 All right, we'll be there in just a minute. I 00:11:56.409 --> 00:11:58.610 have one more question before we move on to that. 00:11:58.669 --> 00:12:03.029 And that is, this set you apart from other children. 00:12:03.850 --> 00:12:06.429 Most children have not had an experience like 00:12:06.429 --> 00:12:10.110 this. So as a four -year -old, six -year -old, 00:12:10.190 --> 00:12:13.779 ten -year -old teenager, In what ways do you 00:12:13.779 --> 00:12:15.480 think you were different than the other kids? 00:12:16.419 --> 00:12:19.039 Well, one of the things that I noticed is I had 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:24.179 a very keen sense of discernment that other people 00:12:24.179 --> 00:12:26.440 didn't seem to have. The bullshit meter was off. 00:12:27.460 --> 00:12:32.080 I could almost see the waves in people's speech. 00:12:33.179 --> 00:12:38.139 Another thing that was really different is, you 00:12:38.139 --> 00:12:39.519 know, like when the phone would ring, I would 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:41.600 know who would be on it. Like the phone would 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:43.580 be ringing like, mommy, so -and -so was calling. 00:12:44.700 --> 00:12:49.019 And she said, well, answer the phone. No. I'm 00:12:49.019 --> 00:12:51.899 like, why are you not answering the phone? Kind 00:12:51.899 --> 00:12:58.279 of a thing. That was different. My sisters, they 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:03.860 would tease me about a lot of stuff. And so I 00:13:03.860 --> 00:13:07.159 would spend a lot of time like outside. because 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:08.860 you know the veil where you can jump in and out. 00:13:08.899 --> 00:13:12.299 I could step out of my body. And so I guess people 00:13:12.299 --> 00:13:15.620 call that astral projection. But I was very good 00:13:15.620 --> 00:13:19.080 at escaping. I since stopped doing that because 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.259 evidently that's not good for you. Don't do that. 00:13:22.779 --> 00:13:26.220 But I think those are some of the effects of 00:13:26.220 --> 00:13:30.299 having passed away so young that the psychic 00:13:30.299 --> 00:13:33.340 ability was off the chain, but it was also not 00:13:33.340 --> 00:13:38.399 discussed or accepted. where I was so I sort 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.799 of you know spent a lot of time masking as if 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:43.120 I were like autistic or something you know had 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.659 to do a lot of masking. That's the main thing 00:13:45.659 --> 00:13:50.159 that that felt very different. So with your mother 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:53.279 who didn't want you to talk about this is that 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.519 because of some kind of religious background 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:57.919 that she had or did she just think you were making 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:02.129 it up? What was her deal? I don't know. And that's 00:14:02.129 --> 00:14:03.769 the true story. I have no clue. Okay. My mother 00:14:03.769 --> 00:14:05.690 was raised Catholic and my father was raised 00:14:05.690 --> 00:14:08.830 Jewish. And so we of course were Protestant. 00:14:08.929 --> 00:14:12.570 I have no clue how that happened. But they, I 00:14:12.570 --> 00:14:15.809 mean, we went to church every week. Mother sang 00:14:15.809 --> 00:14:17.990 in the choir. Dad was one of the deacons. You 00:14:17.990 --> 00:14:21.169 know, he was really super involved, but he was 00:14:21.169 --> 00:14:25.029 Presbyterian. And that's not usually a very vociferous. 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:28.320 religion. I don't know her motivation. I don't 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:30.940 know, but I do think it had something to do with 00:14:30.940 --> 00:14:35.559 the fact that I spoke about her mother in such 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:38.299 a way as if I had known her. And I think that 00:14:38.299 --> 00:14:42.679 was very emotionally uncomfortable for her because 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:46.919 she lost her mother when she was 14 and was forced 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:50.340 to become the mother of her younger siblings. 00:14:51.620 --> 00:14:54.850 I can see how that could be difficult. Could 00:14:54.850 --> 00:14:58.590 also be comforting for some people To know that 00:14:58.590 --> 00:15:02.110 mother's okay and is there but but we're all 00:15:02.110 --> 00:15:04.529 different and have emotions all over the place 00:15:04.529 --> 00:15:06.509 All right. We're gonna fast forward to about 00:15:06.509 --> 00:15:10.309 1999. Tell me what's going on then One of those 00:15:10.309 --> 00:15:13.049 jobs that I used to have was a horse trainer, 00:15:13.090 --> 00:15:15.429 right? I used to gallop race horses But I also 00:15:15.429 --> 00:15:18.690 started horses and rode horses that were bad 00:15:18.690 --> 00:15:22.529 for Bronx, you know I was working with a horse 00:15:22.529 --> 00:15:26.399 that I mean, technical term was he was a shit. 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:29.659 And he was a very smart one. And so while I was 00:15:29.659 --> 00:15:31.679 dismounting, he scooted out from underneath me 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.200 and I flipped over backwards and landed in such 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.700 a way that I broke three vertebrae in my neck. 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:41.059 I mean, crack, crack, crack. And it was C3, four 00:15:41.059 --> 00:15:44.259 and five. And if you know your anatomy, if those 00:15:44.259 --> 00:15:48.480 vertebrae are disrupted, you have pressure on 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:51.259 the nerves that help you have your diaphragm 00:15:51.259 --> 00:15:54.299 moving. So if you're unconscious and your diaphragm's 00:15:54.299 --> 00:15:56.919 not moving, technically you die. It's just guaranteed, 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.279 you know, check. And so that's what happened. 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.159 And again, this one was funny. I got out of the 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:06.539 body, you know, it was like, oh man. And then 00:16:06.539 --> 00:16:09.500 I looked, ah, shit, not again. It was like the 00:16:09.500 --> 00:16:13.580 first thing I said. It was like, oh man, I did 00:16:13.580 --> 00:16:16.519 it again. I thought you were going to be excited 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:21.169 to go back. I had the time I had two kids in 00:16:21.169 --> 00:16:23.450 elementary school. One was in kindergarten, one 00:16:23.450 --> 00:16:25.409 was in first grade. So they were babies. They 00:16:25.409 --> 00:16:26.950 needed their mommy. I had a six -year -old and 00:16:26.950 --> 00:16:29.490 a seven -year -old. The funny thing about it 00:16:29.490 --> 00:16:34.950 is when I looked down at my body, I was able 00:16:34.950 --> 00:16:39.389 to just say, oh, man, and begin to move in the 00:16:39.389 --> 00:16:41.610 direction I knew I was supposed to move in, right? 00:16:42.330 --> 00:16:45.429 And as I was walking through the barn, because 00:16:46.199 --> 00:16:48.220 That was where the light was at the end of the 00:16:48.220 --> 00:16:50.220 barn as I was walking through the barn I told 00:16:50.220 --> 00:16:53.220 you that I looked at the clock. It's hilarious. 00:16:53.220 --> 00:16:56.539 I did look up at the clocks and it's like 147 00:16:56.539 --> 00:17:01.820 and When I got to the end of the the light and 00:17:01.820 --> 00:17:03.879 I stepped into the light That's when all the 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:05.680 choices started coming. You know, you have this 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:10.380 choice you you can stay here or you can move 00:17:10.380 --> 00:17:13.339 forward and and it's sort of like the bargaining 00:17:13.339 --> 00:17:16.650 started having it was like if If you want to 00:17:16.650 --> 00:17:19.769 go back, then you have to do what you agreed 00:17:19.769 --> 00:17:22.390 to do." And I'm like, I agreed to do something? 00:17:23.329 --> 00:17:26.230 That's news to me. You know, I'm arguing with 00:17:26.230 --> 00:17:29.630 them. Them, right? And they're saying, well, 00:17:29.690 --> 00:17:32.329 yes, you have to go back and you have to teach 00:17:32.329 --> 00:17:35.829 the people and you have to let the people know 00:17:35.829 --> 00:17:38.250 the truth. And I'm like, the truth about what? 00:17:38.650 --> 00:17:43.859 And I just argued with them until finally, As 00:17:43.859 --> 00:17:46.700 I was going to say, well, forget the whole business. 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:52.500 Then I remembered how painful it would be for 00:17:52.500 --> 00:17:55.759 my children. I knew that the children needed 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:58.779 me, but I really didn't want to do that thing 00:17:58.779 --> 00:18:01.079 that they wanted me to do. Like, which is worse? 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:03.039 The pain it will be for the children or the pain 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:04.859 it will be for me? And what did a mother choose? 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.259 I'll take the pain. I got to go back to the kids. 00:18:10.349 --> 00:18:17.130 As I was moving into my body, I could feel dread 00:18:17.130 --> 00:18:20.549 almost. There's like, oh god, this is going to 00:18:20.549 --> 00:18:24.049 be a hard life. 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Okay, so I got up. 00:20:10.569 --> 00:20:13.049 I had broken my arm and I had broken my neck 00:20:13.049 --> 00:20:17.190 in three places. C4 was actually broken through 00:20:17.190 --> 00:20:21.890 the foramen, like in half broken, right? But 00:20:21.890 --> 00:20:25.890 I got up and I went and got that horse and I 00:20:25.890 --> 00:20:27.730 took his saddle and bridle off and I put him 00:20:27.730 --> 00:20:30.690 in his stall with a broken arm. Then I went and 00:20:30.690 --> 00:20:32.890 I wrapped the broken arm with a wooden spoon 00:20:32.890 --> 00:20:36.769 and an ace bandage. So it was snapped at the 00:20:36.769 --> 00:20:41.049 ulna and radius at my wrist. And then I waited 00:20:41.049 --> 00:20:43.250 for the children to come home and I gave them 00:20:43.250 --> 00:20:46.630 their snacks. Yes, I had a ferocious headache. 00:20:47.309 --> 00:20:50.430 Yes, I was having like, ooh, I'm not really here 00:20:50.430 --> 00:20:52.609 moments, you know, like after a body is really, 00:20:52.730 --> 00:20:54.549 the inflammation was really hitting and there 00:20:54.549 --> 00:20:57.849 was a lot of pressure in my skull. And then I 00:20:57.849 --> 00:21:00.890 drove myself to the hospital after my husband 00:21:00.890 --> 00:21:04.650 came home. And let's jump to the serious miracle. 00:21:04.769 --> 00:21:08.250 The fact that It felt like somebody was holding 00:21:08.250 --> 00:21:11.430 my neck together, literally. Then the serious 00:21:11.430 --> 00:21:13.910 miracle is a year and a half later I got another 00:21:13.910 --> 00:21:15.869 x -ray on my neck just to check to see how it's 00:21:15.869 --> 00:21:20.029 healing and there was literally no evidence had 00:21:20.029 --> 00:21:23.410 it ever been broken. It was like none. It was 00:21:23.410 --> 00:21:26.309 healed completely. And they had done nothing 00:21:26.309 --> 00:21:29.069 but stick a neck brace on me and put cast material 00:21:29.069 --> 00:21:32.049 around it. Because at the time the doctor was 00:21:32.049 --> 00:21:35.069 too freaked out. You know that movie Death Becomes 00:21:35.069 --> 00:21:38.369 Her? He was having one of those moments in his 00:21:38.369 --> 00:21:46.890 office, but he'd be like looking at the MRI of 00:21:46.890 --> 00:21:49.069 my neck and then looking at me and going, how 00:21:49.069 --> 00:21:52.349 are you still breathing? And he did get quite 00:21:52.349 --> 00:21:55.670 upset there for a minute. Upset at you because 00:21:55.670 --> 00:21:57.769 you didn't come in sooner in an ambulance or 00:21:57.769 --> 00:22:00.450 what was he upset about? He was upset because 00:22:00.450 --> 00:22:02.690 I was still breathing and he was frightened. 00:22:03.470 --> 00:22:06.500 Okay. He couldn't figure out how I was still 00:22:06.500 --> 00:22:10.200 alive, presented to him in this office. So it 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:12.640 just didn't make sense to him. So as a doctor, 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:16.039 it's like, I don't get it. And I'm supposed to 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:19.180 understand everything therefore. Yeah, that's 00:22:19.180 --> 00:22:21.839 it. Exactly. He kept yelling like, how are you 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:23.839 still breathing? I'm like, I'm clearly breathing. 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:26.700 I have a headache. Please don't yell at me anymore. 00:22:27.619 --> 00:22:32.920 It was. Frightening and then because of that 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:35.140 and the weight of you have to do what we asked 00:22:35.140 --> 00:22:39.140 you to do and Every time I tried to not do it 00:22:39.140 --> 00:22:41.559 Our lives did not go my husband our lives did 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:45.019 not go well at all Because I did try to avoid 00:22:45.019 --> 00:22:47.980 it for the longest time because it's been 26 00:22:47.980 --> 00:22:51.740 years 27 let's get a little bit more detail on 00:22:51.740 --> 00:22:55.119 this one Okay, you brought you brushed over the 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:59.430 NDE pretty quickly itself Are you seeing grandma 00:22:59.430 --> 00:23:03.349 again? What are you feeling this time? I did 00:23:03.349 --> 00:23:06.509 not see any I saw the people with the clipboards. 00:23:06.630 --> 00:23:08.730 I don't know how to explain it, but the figures 00:23:08.730 --> 00:23:10.730 with the clipboards I don't know if anybody has 00:23:10.730 --> 00:23:13.190 ever talked to them about them. There are the 00:23:13.190 --> 00:23:15.009 people who are there for your moment of choosing 00:23:15.009 --> 00:23:18.250 You know that the time when you to see I'll take 00:23:18.250 --> 00:23:20.569 that life Yeah, you know that moment of choosing 00:23:20.569 --> 00:23:23.990 that I swear to goodness. There were three men 00:23:23.990 --> 00:23:28.180 in clipboards You know, like tall figures. The 00:23:28.180 --> 00:23:30.420 reason I call it the clipboards is like, they 00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:33.180 feel like the deciders. They feel like the people 00:23:33.180 --> 00:23:37.380 who are guiding. I don't know. They came back 00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:43.119 years later and said that, you know, you are 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:48.559 to whatever. You are to do this thing and you 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.240 forgot we're making you do it. They did come 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:54.410 back and they still come back and advise. which 00:23:54.410 --> 00:23:57.910 is interesting to help me. Yeah, it's a little 00:23:57.910 --> 00:24:03.109 unusual. Do they have names? No, they're just 00:24:03.109 --> 00:24:05.930 the council. Yeah, they're just the council. 00:24:06.670 --> 00:24:08.990 Other people I've talked to know who I'm talking 00:24:08.990 --> 00:24:12.170 to, what I'm talking about. It's like people 00:24:12.170 --> 00:24:15.009 would have called them angels, but to me they 00:24:15.009 --> 00:24:19.450 were just figures in sort of this dark atmospheric 00:24:19.450 --> 00:24:23.519 thing. And the speaking wasn't, the voice was 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.940 inside. I mean, I didn't hear it with my ears. 00:24:26.980 --> 00:24:30.259 I felt it. It was like, you have a choice. And 00:24:30.259 --> 00:24:32.059 then they went through what I was supposed to 00:24:32.059 --> 00:24:35.279 do. I'm still frightened. I can't speak about 00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:37.680 it without crying because it's too intense. Like, 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.240 it still frightens me. I'm still avoiding it 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:44.279 at what they wanted me to do. But they did give 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.279 me quite a few things they wanted me to do back 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:52.680 in 2000. And I avoided it and ignored it. Is 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:54.819 there some of it you'd like to get off your chest 00:24:54.819 --> 00:25:02.019 and talk about now? Well, 2004, you know, I told 00:25:02.019 --> 00:25:03.400 you they came back to me more than once. They 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:05.759 have come back to me more than once. In 2004, 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.579 they came back to me and told me that I was to 00:25:09.579 --> 00:25:13.500 warn about the war that was going to be happening 00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:18.380 in 25 years. Everybody can do the math. That 00:25:18.380 --> 00:25:22.440 means we're three years away, right? Yeah. And 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.599 I was supposed to warn about that war. I don't 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:29.980 know what to say to warn about it because I shut 00:25:29.980 --> 00:25:31.819 it down. I'm like, who am I? What am I supposed 00:25:31.819 --> 00:25:36.759 to do? This is not my area type of thing. And 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:42.220 so we agreed upon that I would teach what real 00:25:42.220 --> 00:25:46.039 spirituality is instead. Because I have an understanding 00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:50.000 of what Is it's not necessarily the truth, but 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:52.180 what is in alignment? Because it's a lot closer 00:25:52.180 --> 00:25:54.940 to physics than it is religion. I'm just going 00:25:54.940 --> 00:26:00.000 to say that right now. And so they they meaning 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.460 the council. I've never asked them their names 00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:06.180 other than the council. You see how nervous I 00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:10.940 am talking about this, right? They. They guide 00:26:10.940 --> 00:26:17.170 me and they help me teach in a way like I. have 00:26:17.170 --> 00:26:24.089 been given such profound truths by them that 00:26:24.089 --> 00:26:27.549 have been echoed by other teachers like Buddha 00:26:27.549 --> 00:26:33.250 and Jesus and other people. I've been given a 00:26:33.250 --> 00:26:36.829 lot of truths like that. That's what I've allowed 00:26:36.829 --> 00:26:41.230 myself to teach. I just wrote a book that is 00:26:41.230 --> 00:26:44.460 with my editor. And we are not talking about 00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:48.259 the truths, we're talking about a system that 00:26:48.259 --> 00:26:51.380 helps people find their own truth. Because everybody 00:26:51.380 --> 00:26:54.119 has to decide what their own truth is, because 00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:56.619 that's essentially what spirituality is, is you 00:26:56.619 --> 00:26:59.839 in relation to with your spirit and with the 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:04.380 rest of energy in general. A lot of people talk 00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:07.400 to me about physics. And about frequency and 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.359 vibration and those kinds of things. Is there 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:13.140 any way that you can condense that into a good 00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:17.279 little lesson for us? Certainly. When you combine 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:21.420 Newtonian physics with quantum mechanics, you 00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:24.119 get this space in between. And that's the place 00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:29.660 that all humans live. Meaning we understand gravity 00:27:29.660 --> 00:27:32.299 in a physical understanding. We drop things, 00:27:32.299 --> 00:27:35.990 they go down. But gravity... This force of gravity 00:27:35.990 --> 00:27:40.130 in quantum mechanics is totally different. It 00:27:40.130 --> 00:27:43.890 has an effect on how things flow, because gravity 00:27:43.890 --> 00:27:48.849 is time -space. Gravity changes no matter where 00:27:48.849 --> 00:27:51.789 you are in the world, where in our quote -unquote 00:27:51.789 --> 00:27:55.309 human experience gravity is Newtonian. You drop 00:27:55.309 --> 00:27:57.950 the apple, it hits the ground. And if you can 00:27:57.950 --> 00:28:02.349 find that space in between time -space and what 00:28:02.349 --> 00:28:05.759 we are truly Feeling physically that's where 00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:10.259 spirituality lives Okay I'm not quite sure exactly 00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:12.180 what to do with that, but I'm gonna let that 00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:15.779 settle for a little bit for a minute Are there 00:28:15.779 --> 00:28:18.500 any other details from that second experience 00:28:18.500 --> 00:28:21.019 that you can remember that you want to talk about? 00:28:21.380 --> 00:28:25.319 Things that you saw things that you felt Besides 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:28.460 the three. What did you call them council? They 00:28:28.460 --> 00:28:30.799 were the council. Yeah. Yeah. What else did you 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:36.039 see and feel? I felt a lot of fear, which is 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.700 okay. First, there's the 1001, 1002, congratulations, 00:28:39.859 --> 00:28:41.799 you're enlightened, you're dead. There's that, 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.599 I felt that. All the physical pain goes away, 00:28:46.059 --> 00:28:48.180 all the emotion goes away, all the struggle goes 00:28:48.180 --> 00:28:53.000 away, I felt that. But I felt so much fear and 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.160 resistance when they were explaining to me what 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:01.339 my task was to be. I don't ever remember agreeing 00:29:01.339 --> 00:29:05.220 to this. It was that level of the arguing. I 00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:08.200 remember that feeling of, how dare you put this 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:12.559 on me? But not really in a how dare you feeling, 00:29:12.579 --> 00:29:16.160 because I didn't have the physical body for the 00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:19.640 being indignant. But my soul was like, this is 00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.920 such a burden. Do you not know what a burden 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:27.480 this is? You know, kind of a thing. So the task 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.140 you're talking about is spreading the word on 00:29:30.140 --> 00:29:33.579 that war or something else? It was something 00:29:33.579 --> 00:29:37.619 else entirely. They wanted me to stand up and 00:29:37.619 --> 00:29:39.599 heal the people and tell the truth. Those were 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:41.619 their words. Heal the people and tell the truth. 00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:49.480 And I told them, nope. And here's an interesting 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:55.819 thing. In 2006, I think it was. When the swine 00:29:55.819 --> 00:29:58.359 flu was going around, do you remember that? Yeah. 00:29:58.900 --> 00:30:01.740 I think that was six. Wasn't it six? I don't 00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:04.960 know the year, but I remember the whole, yeah, 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.259 we were all worried about swine flu. We had never 00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:11.059 heard of COVID -19 at that point. Yeah, it's 00:30:11.059 --> 00:30:16.099 true. But I did catch the swine flu and I was 00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:19.460 actively in pneumonia in my bed. The council 00:30:19.460 --> 00:30:21.779 came to me and said, get up and go to the hospital. 00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:25.549 You're dying. And I said, good. Back to them. 00:30:26.029 --> 00:30:27.869 I was like, good, now I don't have to do what 00:30:27.869 --> 00:30:31.829 you asked me to do. Because it had been ongoing. 00:30:32.650 --> 00:30:35.130 They kept urging me to do what they wanted me 00:30:35.130 --> 00:30:38.930 to do. And you are allowed to refuse. Many are 00:30:38.930 --> 00:30:40.750 called, but not everybody answers. And I wasn't 00:30:40.750 --> 00:30:43.529 going to answer, thank you very much. And I was 00:30:43.529 --> 00:30:45.930 like, no, I'd rather die than do what you said. 00:30:46.589 --> 00:30:47.990 And I said, I'm not going to do it. And they 00:30:47.990 --> 00:30:52.809 said, OK, you don't have to. And I said, good. 00:30:53.019 --> 00:30:56.920 And then they said, we'll take care of it. Evidently, 00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.000 they're going to ask somebody else. That part, 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.259 I didn't matter. But probably two to three minutes 00:31:03.259 --> 00:31:06.539 later, my daughter walked in. They sent help. 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.440 My daughter walked in the room. At the time, 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.839 she had a newly licensed driver. And she freaks 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:14.420 out, oh, mom, you're blue. You're not breathing. 00:31:14.619 --> 00:31:17.420 And she threw me in the car and took me to the 00:31:17.420 --> 00:31:20.339 hospital where they did all the things to help 00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:24.190 me live. But I was ready that conversation in 00:31:24.190 --> 00:31:27.509 my head with them is like good I Will go ahead 00:31:27.509 --> 00:31:31.450 and step out for the third time just to avoid 00:31:31.450 --> 00:31:35.730 What I felt was going to be the persecution the 00:31:35.730 --> 00:31:38.130 ridicule that I would have gotten and I don't 00:31:38.130 --> 00:31:40.509 know whether it was because of my early Experience 00:31:40.509 --> 00:31:43.450 with my mother coming down on me so hard Whenever 00:31:43.450 --> 00:31:45.569 I would speak what was really going on inside 00:31:45.569 --> 00:31:49.109 of me or not. I don't know, but I did know that 00:31:49.109 --> 00:31:54.180 I flat was not going to talk about the guys with 00:31:54.180 --> 00:31:57.759 the clipboard. And here I am doing it, which 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.920 is really hilarious. It's okay. Only about a 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:02.859 hundred thousand people are going to hear you. 00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.500 Okay, cool. Yeah. I mean, I still have access 00:32:06.500 --> 00:32:10.160 to them and they still talk to me. Do you see 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:12.819 them, hear them, or get impressions from them? 00:32:13.059 --> 00:32:17.539 All three. All three. Will you next time ask 00:32:17.539 --> 00:32:20.259 them their names? Tell them I want to know. Okay, 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.339 cool. There was a time when we were watching 00:32:23.339 --> 00:32:26.539 we my son and I were watching Michio Kaku on 00:32:26.539 --> 00:32:29.099 the TV You know watching a TV show. This was 00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:32.079 way back When they were still constantly in my 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.000 head arguing with me We were watching he was 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:36.940 talking about the the different strings He was 00:32:36.940 --> 00:32:38.339 talking about string theory and he was talking 00:32:38.339 --> 00:32:41.960 about 11 strings and how their strings and these 00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:45.200 they were in my head Literally rolling around 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.799 on the floor laughing because he had gotten it 00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:51.230 so wrong they were explaining to me in my head, 00:32:51.230 --> 00:32:54.470 you know, like how there are nine strings and 00:32:54.470 --> 00:32:56.430 what they were. And I wish I had written it all 00:32:56.430 --> 00:33:00.009 down, but I do know that, okay, there's the first 00:33:00.009 --> 00:33:01.569 dimension, the second dimension, third dimension. 00:33:01.589 --> 00:33:03.029 We live in the third dimension. Then there's 00:33:03.029 --> 00:33:05.190 the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension is 00:33:05.190 --> 00:33:12.589 the space in between the space time and the continuation 00:33:12.589 --> 00:33:15.349 of all that is, right? Those are the words that 00:33:15.349 --> 00:33:17.799 I had for it as a kid. So I'm sorry. The fourth 00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:19.500 dimension is where people see and hear and talk 00:33:19.500 --> 00:33:21.940 to ghosts, right? And then there's the fifth 00:33:21.940 --> 00:33:24.079 dimension, the sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth. 00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:28.440 And ninth, at that ninth level, that's the God 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.599 particle. That is the space where all intersect 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:35.299 and become one. And that's what they were explaining 00:33:35.299 --> 00:33:37.299 to me. And this is the kind of information they 00:33:37.299 --> 00:33:40.000 had all the time. And they still do if I sit 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.420 and connect with them again. They know stuff. 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.859 It's amazing what they know. Oh, they should. 00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:49.579 Yeah, they should know everything pretty much. 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.140 I wanted to touch on just a couple of sort of 00:33:53.140 --> 00:33:56.319 interesting things before we finish up here. 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.539 One is you mentioned feeling a lot of fear during 00:33:59.539 --> 00:34:04.000 your NDE. That's a very unusual thing. Did you 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:08.679 also feel other emotions like love or guilt or 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:12.619 anything else? The fear was for my physical body 00:34:12.619 --> 00:34:16.059 in the future. It wasn't in the space of moment, 00:34:16.420 --> 00:34:19.079 you know, it was like it was anticipatory fear. 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.739 You know, like when somebody asks you to do something 00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:24.679 that you know isn't going to be fun or pleasant, 00:34:24.820 --> 00:34:29.239 it's that anticipatory dread fear. Did I feel 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.480 love? I felt relief. That was the first thing 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.019 I felt was, ah, thank you. Struggle over, thank 00:34:36.019 --> 00:34:40.699 you, check. And, you know, off we go. And then 00:34:40.699 --> 00:34:46.690 the next emotion I felt Was the piece it's that 00:34:46.690 --> 00:34:50.449 What I call neutral and it's what I teach. It's 00:34:50.449 --> 00:34:53.949 that it's that bliss of Not having enough not 00:34:53.949 --> 00:34:57.110 having a down but being at zero point It's that 00:34:57.110 --> 00:34:59.250 and a lot of people talk about the piece But 00:34:59.250 --> 00:35:01.389 there is a way to achieve it in your physical 00:35:01.389 --> 00:35:04.510 body if you get into neutral and we do achieve 00:35:04.510 --> 00:35:07.949 it Whenever we fall in love. There's moments 00:35:07.949 --> 00:35:10.949 of neutrality When we when we hold our child 00:35:10.949 --> 00:35:13.300 for the first time That's a moment of neutrality. 00:35:13.820 --> 00:35:17.300 You know, there are ways to achieve that. And 00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:21.239 that's the zero point. It's where we have no 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.880 upper limit and we have no lower limit. We are 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:28.219 existing out of space and time. Make sense? Yeah, 00:35:28.219 --> 00:35:30.480 because most people can't describe it that well. 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.019 And that's an interesting description. One of 00:35:33.019 --> 00:35:35.659 the other things that I wanted to touch on is 00:35:36.490 --> 00:35:41.210 I'm, I'm a huge believer in freedom of choice 00:35:41.210 --> 00:35:45.050 or agency or whatever we want to call it. And 00:35:45.050 --> 00:35:48.730 it's interesting how you used yours. You know, 00:35:48.829 --> 00:35:50.710 sort of like we've got this mission for you. 00:35:50.869 --> 00:35:52.650 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going 00:35:52.650 --> 00:35:56.230 to do that. Most people seem in their NDEs only 00:35:56.230 --> 00:35:59.550 experience it with a choice of coming back here 00:35:59.550 --> 00:36:05.070 or not. And nearly everybody. except for you 00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:08.309 as a child and a few others, are given a choice. 00:36:08.750 --> 00:36:11.650 They sometimes say no at first, but then they're 00:36:11.650 --> 00:36:14.510 talked into it, but it still becomes their choice 00:36:14.510 --> 00:36:18.369 at some point. How do you feel about this whole 00:36:18.369 --> 00:36:22.590 concept of agency? Oh, I believe in the agency 00:36:22.590 --> 00:36:26.389 completely. You can remember that because of 00:36:26.389 --> 00:36:30.050 the first NDE, I believe that I had a bleeding 00:36:30.050 --> 00:36:32.590 of memories from previous lifetimes, deaths and 00:36:32.590 --> 00:36:35.590 lives. According to my parents, I was very confused 00:36:35.590 --> 00:36:37.610 about whether or not I was a boy or a girl, because 00:36:37.610 --> 00:36:40.489 all my memories are of being a little boy, because 00:36:40.489 --> 00:36:44.449 that's what I had been. I'm wondering in this 00:36:44.449 --> 00:36:47.030 new day and age, would somebody have forced me 00:36:47.030 --> 00:36:49.769 to live as a boy, because I'm a married woman 00:36:49.769 --> 00:36:55.289 and I'm completely female now. But my early memories 00:36:55.289 --> 00:36:58.030 were of being a little boy, and so I was identifying 00:36:58.030 --> 00:37:01.349 as a little boy for some reason. I mean, my previous 00:37:01.349 --> 00:37:04.260 lifetime. Was of a little boy and so there was 00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:06.780 a lot of I wanted to play with the little boys, 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:09.760 you know I wanted to play army men with them. 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.500 I wanted to do little boy stuff and Then later 00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:16.380 on they sort of forced me into becoming a girl 00:37:16.380 --> 00:37:18.519 This is back in the days when girls had to wear 00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.760 dresses to school and all those Other things 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.619 it wasn't you weren't allowed to wear pants. 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:25.880 It's hard to believe folks, but that was the 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:30.380 truth and There was a railroading of me becoming 00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:34.099 a girl And me, you know, subconsciously fighting 00:37:34.099 --> 00:37:37.719 again, I'm not a girl. But then later when puberty 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:41.199 hit, oh, of course I'm a girl. No problem. Sure. 00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:43.820 I'll be a girl. I mean, painted fingernails and 00:37:43.820 --> 00:37:48.420 all. I'm a girl. Yeah. Okay. Let's move on to 00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:51.480 the next stage. And that is you learn so much 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.699 from all of this. How has it affected your life 00:37:54.699 --> 00:37:57.000 since then you mentioned early on you'd been 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.340 through all these different careers now You're 00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:02.920 finally settled on something Tell me how it's 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.880 all coming together for you well since 2010 I 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.719 have been helping first individually and Then 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.480 now in groups. I've been helping people sort 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.820 of make sense of their own journeys is the best 00:38:18.820 --> 00:38:22.179 way to explain it everybody Guess a certain point 00:38:22.179 --> 00:38:24.739 in their lives where they stop being a victim 00:38:24.739 --> 00:38:26.579 of their life and they want to try to understand 00:38:26.579 --> 00:38:30.300 some sort of agency over their lives. And there 00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:32.179 are a million people out there teaching that 00:38:32.179 --> 00:38:34.619 and some of them more successfully than others 00:38:34.619 --> 00:38:37.099 you know like that i will say right now that 00:38:37.099 --> 00:38:40.199 for many people that idea of taking it to make 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:45.340 it. Does backfire to me it is like trying to 00:38:45.340 --> 00:38:48.079 paint over grease stains it will be through eventually. 00:38:48.720 --> 00:38:52.400 And so what I do is I help people align with 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:56.139 who they are so they don't have to fake it till 00:38:56.139 --> 00:39:00.639 they make it through a series of things that 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.079 the council taught me. And their whole thing 00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:05.960 is they want people to make friends with themselves 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:10.079 so the world can be a friendlier place. In the 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.119 council's teachings, they're saying that 100 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:18.369 % of the problem with this world's War like behavior 00:39:18.369 --> 00:39:23.429 and cruelty is that people don't feel Comfortable 00:39:23.429 --> 00:39:26.869 or happy inside so they want to share how uncomfortable 00:39:26.869 --> 00:39:30.630 and dissatisfied they are and Fearful they are 00:39:30.630 --> 00:39:33.449 by hurting other people and so they're trying 00:39:33.449 --> 00:39:37.170 to change it this way Sounds like you're at peace 00:39:37.170 --> 00:39:41.050 with all that now. Oh, yeah, I can I can teach 00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.519 But I did not want to be a prophet They literally 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.900 said the words you were to be like Ezekiel and 00:39:46.900 --> 00:39:50.780 I know thank you I will not be Ezekiel if you 00:39:50.780 --> 00:39:53.039 don't mind Do you ever think about the other 00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.280 person that they gave all this responsibility 00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.900 to since you turned it down? I Haven't heard 00:39:58.900 --> 00:40:02.940 have you heard of them? No, but somebody somewhere 00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:06.179 is probably in that situation going I don't know 00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:08.159 what to do with this burden. We'll figure this 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:11.650 out Kind of a kind of a Moses type of person 00:40:11.650 --> 00:40:15.050 here Yeah, I want to tell you something real 00:40:15.050 --> 00:40:20.349 quick. I did try I went to go speak I went to 00:40:20.349 --> 00:40:23.829 Jimmy Carter's 80th birthday party and I spoke 00:40:23.829 --> 00:40:28.489 with Jimmy Carter's preacher from his church 00:40:28.489 --> 00:40:31.349 and we had like a two -hour conversation on this 00:40:31.349 --> 00:40:36.269 and I shared my information with him and So I 00:40:36.269 --> 00:40:41.719 felt like job done I did it. He didn't curse 00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:44.940 me, you know, Beelzebub or any of that. He didn't. 00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:47.519 He just, you know, like I have a message and 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:49.980 here it is. And I sat and spoke with him for 00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:53.159 like two hours. I didn't tell Mr. Carter I came 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:56.480 this close, but I thought since the preacher 00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.099 and Mr. Carter were such very close friends that 00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:02.300 he would speak. Yeah. Let it go through him. 00:41:02.739 --> 00:41:05.820 Okay. How much fear of death do you have? Zero. 00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:10.389 Nada. Zip. And if anyone wants to get a hold 00:41:10.389 --> 00:41:13.510 of you, do you want to put something I put in 00:41:13.510 --> 00:41:15.989 the show notes or something? How do people reach 00:41:15.989 --> 00:41:20.010 out to you? Sure. I have a website. It's sallyreid 00:41:20.010 --> 00:41:27.670 .com. I also have a TikTok and Instagram and 00:41:27.670 --> 00:41:32.550 Facebook and they're all at blisslife underscore 00:41:32.550 --> 00:41:36.929 coach. Blisslife coach. Okay. All right, Miss 00:41:36.929 --> 00:41:39.969 Blisslife, I'm going to give you one minute to 00:41:39.969 --> 00:41:42.809 leave us with some kind of a beautiful message 00:41:42.809 --> 00:41:49.750 of hope today. Yeah, when I was helping my parents 00:41:49.750 --> 00:41:54.989 and my husband's father pass away, the one thing 00:41:54.989 --> 00:41:59.289 their soul was concerned about was the pain of 00:41:59.289 --> 00:42:03.690 judgment. All of them. They were so terrified 00:42:03.690 --> 00:42:08.429 of the pain of judgment. I can say number one, 00:42:08.449 --> 00:42:14.230 it doesn't hurt. And number two, it's not a test. 00:42:15.349 --> 00:42:20.250 It's more of a welcoming home and let us help 00:42:20.250 --> 00:42:26.090 you understand what's next. Because as I called 00:42:26.090 --> 00:42:28.489 it as a child, the next place, I did call the 00:42:28.489 --> 00:42:31.860 next place. The next place is the place where 00:42:31.860 --> 00:42:35.880 we get to understand. This place is where we 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.019 get to screw up. And the next place is the place 00:42:39.019 --> 00:42:42.000 where you get to understand what's actually going 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.500 on. So if you've been searching your whole life 00:42:44.500 --> 00:42:48.860 to figure out what's going on, you'll find out 00:42:48.860 --> 00:42:51.780 in the next place. Beautifully said. Thank you, 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:56.780 Sally. Until we meet in the next place. Thanks 00:42:56.780 --> 00:42:59.179 again for listening and sharing this podcast. 00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:01.840 Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:04.280 and sign up for our newsletter at roundtripdeath 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.760 .com. If you want to share your near -death experience 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.079 or if you have questions or comments about the 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.980 show, send an email to eric at roundtripdeath 00:43:12.980 --> 00:43:16.139 .com. Until then, I wish you everything good 00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:18.460 that you're looking for in this life and the 00:43:18.460 --> 00:43:18.820 next.