From the time that they pronounced me that was
a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then
they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I
could see people screaming and crying But I didn't
realize that was actually my physical body because
I was somewhere else The only thing that I could
feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace
there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was
greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back
home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.
Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody.
This is going to be so fun today because we're
going all the way over to France to talk with
Kara. Good morning or evening for you Kara, how
are you? Good morning, good evening Eric. I'm
great, how are you? I'm fantastic. We've gotten
over our technical glitches for the day. Just
so everybody knows we've had our share of frustration
including and you didn't hear about this yet
Kara, but our Internet where I live has been
out for about 12 hours and luckily I have a starlink
that I use when we're camping and stuff and so
I rigged that up and and Then you had problems
with Riverside and anyway, but here we are. It
was meant to be we just had to work through it
It was meant to be it's still amazing to me that
we can connect from Utah to France like this
Yeah, and and there's no pause or delay really
either. It just works Yeah, so cool. Would you
pronounce your last name? sure long Dare boved
Kara von der Boved, but you can say longer or
vander it's my my husband's last name which he's
french and the name is dutch so it takes it takes
some time to say i'm gonna stick with cara if
you don't mind no that's good cara is good just
so we can get to know you a little bit before
we jump into your near -death experience what
got you to france because you grew up where north
carolina Yeah, I grew up in the mountains of
North Carolina and my husband actually was an
exchange student in the mountains from France.
He came to the mountains of North Carolina to
play soccer and we connected then and then I
moved to Colorado. He lived in France and we
were both revisiting North Carolina at the same
time and fell in love. A short way of saying
that's how I got to France was because of him.
And then very quickly I became pregnant with
my first daughter and now I have two daughters.
So I've been here for 10 years. So what part
of France? Just outside of Paris. So I'm in a
small town outside of Paris, but definitely with
that same energy. Yeah. Yeah well there's a lot
of energy in Paris but it's an interesting place
because there's just, to me it was kind of polarizing
because there's all these beautiful museums and
then there's crazy traffic and politics and all
that kind of stuff but I loved it but it would
be weird to live there I think. Yeah, it is and
I'm out of the city enough like I'm in another
small city just outside of the city where when
I come back From the center of the city. I feel
really calm and grounded, but you're exactly
right It's there's a lot of extremes going on
in that city, but it's it's magic too. It is
But I can tell you're a person that's not the
frenetic energy type And no, it's taken my nervous
system a long time to adjust, like years, but
it's adjusting, so. Well, one of the things that's
going to be fun today, and maybe I should warn
our listeners up front, 5 % of the time do a
pre -interview with people and know the whole,
a little bit about the whole story. So I'm not
too surprised as we're going through it, but
we didn't have that opportunity this time. So
I'm going to be very surprised by some things.
I know your experience happened when you were
16 years old. So, but I want you to just jump
into it and tell me what was going on with your
life and what led up to what happened. Okay,
where should I start? So I will start at the
experience itself. I was a soccer player growing
up. I played from like age seven until 16 with
the same group of girls. And we were on our way
to state playoffs. It was right before halftime.
There was raining, like very dramatic scenery.
And then our best kicker kick the ball straight
into my left temple and it instantly stopped
my heart and my heart was stopped for seven minutes
and my dad said that the blow to the head was
so extreme that it went up and over the stadium
lights and she, I don't know if you know about
soccer, but she was a sweeper and I was a left
fullback and she was meaning to kick it like
to the other side of the field but it kind of
spun off and just directly directly hit me in
the head and I had a teammate run to me saying,
are you okay, Kara? Are you okay? Are you okay?
And that was the last thing that I remember.
I just instantly went out of my body and I was
up and over everyone. So. Okay. Before we get
deeper into that, I'm just curious about the
thing. Cause I mean, I've played a little soccer.
I've seen a lot of soccer and soccer players
are hitting the ball with their head all the
time. Did this hit you in a different spot like
the temple or something? It did. It was in my
left temple. Yeah. And me too, I played for a
long time. So the whole, when I came back to
my body, I was really fascinated of exactly like
how that could happen. But it was the left temple
that instantly stopped my heart. And medically
how did they bring you back? With a defibrillator.
Thank goodness those are all over the place now.
Yeah yeah it was in an ambulance so it took a
little time from the soccer field to get into
the ambulance but for me it was an amazing experience.
All right let's get back into it. So you get
hit in the head with a ball you remember your
friend saying something then what do you see?
You've said you left your body. Yeah, so instantly
I was above everyone and I was watching like
looking down at at my teammates which were kind
of which were hovered all around me I could see
them and I saw them like as a candle flame actually
like I'm looking at a candle flame right now
I saw them as this light so this this beautiful
amazing lights around me actually I draw this
often and then my body in the middle was like
a wick like no light so i saw everyone around
me with this light like each person had this
light that went up and over them like as high
as the trees and then the trees they had this
light that just went over i mean so so high i
would say as high as the mountains and it just
moved and swayed and i was i was just in awe
i could not Stop watching them. It was so beautiful.
It was it was pure bliss. It was pure love and
Then I focused in on my parents Because actually
inside of my body, which I'll get to later. I
was very Upset. I was a 16 year old very very
very angry 16 year old at this point and I was
very angry my parents so inside my body I was
very angry at them outside of my body oh my god
they were just so extremely beautiful I mean
like I can kind of show you like the flame of
a light I mean just swaying and swaying and swaying
with so much you know the time I think it was
around seven minutes but for me it felt like
it felt like whole lifetime I was there just
watching them and watching their beauty and seeing
all this not not their bodies I didn't see their
faces or their Colors, but I saw this light around
them. That was just so beautiful and they swayed
together and I didn't have any thoughts my only
thought I can remember was like oh my gosh, they
love me because I was watching, you know my teammates
and my parents just how they and I felt how much
they loved me. Yeah, so that's really what I
saw. The next thing I remember is I came back
to my body and I was in the ambulance and it
was it was the opposite of those warm feelings.
Outside of my body I felt like I was held by
the whole universe like I was bathing and like
when you're outside and it's really cold on a
winter day coming back inside to a warm bath.
It felt so safe and warm and then in the ambulance
it was the opposite. There was fluorescent lights.
It was cold. It was frigid and I wanted to go
back to that place. Like I was like my body was,
you know, I mean I guess I had just been defibrillated.
My body was going through a lot and I wanted
to go back. The next thing I remember I did go
back and I was in the hospital and I had another
experience this time. My brother was like beside
me in the hospital room. He was probably eight
and he was bent down and I heard him say, um,
sissy, sissy, please come back. And I don't,
I have no like logically in my brain now. I have
no idea how I heard him that if he said it loudly
or if I was able to hear his thoughts. But in
that moment I came back to my body and I haven't
left since then. So that's an overview. I am
I'm writing a book about this where I have found
like seven main truths that I discovered during
that experience. But that's just a big, big overview
of what it was like. Okay. Well, I want to hear
a little bit more detail and description. Tell
me more about your feelings. You mentioned love,
you mentioned safety and warmth. What else? Yeah,
I felt, I felt free. I felt free so I was myself
100 % like I was as a child like I am now talking
to you but even more myself like because I'm
nervous right now but I was me like 100 % me
and I think something that was fascinating now
is looking down and realizing that everyone was
looking at my body but I wasn't there and I was
above I was because I was watching them I just
felt so much love and everything was love like
every single piece of it there was zero fear
or zero worry or zero anger and I'll get this
to this later but I was very angry in my body
I wanted to die that was a big piece of it is
I wanted to die I asked to die I prayed or But
not right before, like a week before, but I vividly
had this moment in my bed as a teenager. I don't
know why. I mean, I can't really... Now, in my
mom, 38 -year -old brain, it doesn't make a lot
of sense why, but in that moment at 16 -year
-old, just maybe a week before this event, I
wanted to die. And I remember laying... on my
bed and looking up to the sky and looking up
to God to the universe and saying like take me
out like this is not what I signed up for I don't
want to be in this life anymore and I was so
angry and I was so vivid and there was just so
many pieces of my life I felt like we're falling
apart and just these like intense intense emotions
I would say I don't think I actually meant it
but when it happened when the accident happened
and I came back to my body The first thought
I had was, how did I do this? I'm from a very
small town. My entire community coddled me because
of this terrible accident that I had. But inside
of me, I thought, how did I do this? That was
the main thought I had because I was like, I
wanted to die and then I died. There was just
an instant connection. I then became obsessed
with The mind and the brain and I didn't feel
like I could ever tell anyone this because You
know, it's where I grew up like it's a sin to
want to die and plus I was popular I was homecoming
Queen I was on the outside I put a really good
mask every day like I smiled brighter than anyone
I was voted best smile and like on the inside
I just was lost and angry and and even more after
the accident because I was diagnosed with brain
damage, but it kind of sent me on this path inside
of me. I didn't tell really anyone except my
very, very closest friends, my experience of
pure love and seeing that the world is perfect
and seeing that we are here right now in this
paradise from above. I mean, the world was just
so, is just so perfect and so beautiful and so
held and I saw, you know, everything has a purpose
and everything has a reason and just 100 % love.
So when I came back to my body, I was really
fascinated in discovering the difference. Why
did I have that outside of my body? And then
inside of my body, I'm back to all this anger
and these thoughts that are really heavy and
these thoughts that are really icky. So I began
first studying with my neurologist because I
was seeing the neurologist a lot to try to understand
like what went on in my brain and then I was
just obsessed with anything about the mind and
the power of the mind and the mind -body I studied
psychology for a while and then I was led to
yoga which really was a huge huge healing space
for me because in yoga it's It reconnected me
to those same feelings of peace and bliss and
pure love that I had in my near -death experience.
I mean, it was being in death that it was just
100 % love, like all of the fears and worries
and things that... I mean, now, you know, we
can look back. I don't know if you remember yourself,
Eric, at 16 or, you know, a time in your life
when you feel like the world is so awful and
that everything's so awful and now i can kind
of look back at myself at 16 and be like honey
like i have two daughters like it's not that
big of a deal you're gonna get through it but
at the time it was so extreme but the second
i was out of my body none of that exists like
zero yeah those teenage years that i think just
the hormones running crazy make the emotions
go crazy i mean from super happy to super sad,
frustrated, mad, whatever. I remember mostly
just taking it out on my poor car, you know,
driving away from high school every day, just
like as fast as I could. I don't know, for some
reason, that was kind of a release of everything
pent up in the day. But other than that, I don't
know, those years were fun too. But yeah, there's
emotions all over the place. So before we move
on, How else can you describe this feeling of
love you called a hundred percent love and How
does it relate to the love that you feel in this
life? husband children Etc I Think I can access
that love when I'm really calm The love that
I have for my daughter's Yes, I would say the
same love the love that I have for my husband
like yes, that's 100 % that love moreover, I
would feel like It's like you're bathing in that
love. It's constant. And I love the ocean. That's
another thing I really love. And I grew up on
the coasts of North Carolina, South Carolina
in the summers. And we have these waves that
can sometimes be super dangerous. But I've always
played in the ocean. And then a feeling that
I feel like, for me, that's similar is once I
get past those waves. And then there's just this
peace like floating on my back, looking up at
the sun and just feeling held, like this feeling
of just being held. And I think we can access
it. That's been my life goal is to have to reaccess
it and to help others access it. Sometimes in
Shavasana at the end of yoga practice, we can
really get into that same place of just all of
the air. If you just close your eyes and imagine
that all the air is just love, I think that's
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that we sent you. Something that was also interesting
to me is that my heart stopped. And as soon as
I was out of, you know, as soon as my heart was
stopped, I was like, I don't know. Into the heart
like completely 100 100 percent Love, you know,
I've I've also studied the brain a lot and I
our brains are just are amazing Einstein, you
know tells us they're the most powerful satellite
in the world and at the same time when I was
outside of my brain and feelings I didn't have
any Worry or or fear so that love I think is
100 % accessible to us now in life if we can
just take ourselves out of the fear and worry
and stress. Sometimes it helps to get there and
to understand it if we realize what the opposite
emotions are. And you've just mentioned fear.
What are some of the other opposite emotions
to this love? Anger, worry, stress. Anxiety,
guilt. Yes, guilt. And when I came back into
my body, I had instant guilt, but outside there
was zero. Zero guilt. Any jealousy, I would say
none of that exists. Envy, not even. Did I do
something wrong? I think in my brain, the way
I grew up, I was always wondering if I was doing
the right thing or if I was good enough. I think
that is one thing that kind of led me to this
point of wanting to leave life is I just wanted
to be perfect all the time. And then outside
of my body, the pure love, it's just... It's
hard to explain. Is there anything else you remember
seeing? You described the candles. Anything else
you saw? I saw the earth. So I... I saw my teammates
with this light, this vibrant, vibrant light,
which I now believe is our essence, is our soul,
is who we truly are, because my light was gone,
but I was somewhere else. I don't know exactly
where. And I saw the lights. I spent a lot of
time focused on that. People have asked me if
I saw a light somewhere else, but the light that
I saw was the earth. So I saw lights around the
plants, the trees, the trees they had, like the
people have amazing lights, but the trees, I
mean, I was just fascinated. I could, their lights
were so big and so extreme, kind of hovering
over us, I guess. what science now can prove
as you know the way that they take in oxygen
and and protect us in this way. I saw the energy
of the trees and I saw that the earth is is a
paradise like this earth it's so beautiful I
was I was just overtaken by the love and the
beauty of this planet. I think since since then
now I live I can show you outside of my window
I see people walking around every day through
the city and I haven't shared this experience
very much but one reason I really want to share
it now is because I just want to scream out my
window because I can still see the lights around
people and how they they have this energy above
them not just one person or not just a good person
but every single person and I just want to scream
to them like yours you have no idea how amazing
you are. And it's a shame that we all can't see
how vibrant we are. We get stuck on like, I get
stuck on stupid stuff all the time. I was so
nervous about talking about this. I haven't talked
about this because I've been nervous about it.
What will other people think? But at the end
of the day, I think we're so lucky to be here.
A big piece of this to me is that the people
that I saw, they had no idea I was there. I was
around them. I was watching them. I was loving
them so deeply and they had no idea that I was,
you know, they were really, really, really fixated
on my body. So now that I have daughters and
I just want to let them know all the time, like
we can't see, you know, all the stuff that's
going around us. And if I was right there and
nobody knew, you know, who is around us, what
is around us. all the pure love that is surrounding
us all the time. I think we just, we're super
lucky to be here too. Another piece of this is
one reason I haven't shared for so long is because
yes, death is pure love, but also on the other
side, it was very clear that life, the ones of
us that are here, we are so lucky to be here
and nothing is by chance. you just as you are,
are that way. And just where you are is perfect
like that. Like you don't need, we don't need
to change anything. We don't need to do anything,
but just the more aware we can become of how
good it is right here and now, because it's all
going to change. And to let go of everything
else, you know, like life is so beautiful. Have
you seen recently the astronauts? that went out
and circled around the moon? Have you followed
any of that? I haven't. Okay. But I do know of
the overview effect and I feel like it's quite
similar. Is that, sorry to interrupt you, is
that what you're thinking? Well, I was wondering
about a couple of things. If you've seen any
of the video or stills that they shot from space
looking back at the earth and how incredibly
beautiful it is, I'm just wondering how your
viewpoint related to that, but also about the
oneness that comes through that. I had a discussion
a few years back with a politician that had the
opportunity to go up on the space shuttle and
see the Earth orbiting the Earth. He was saying
how it just completely changed him. There's no
borders. There's no politics. We're all just
part of this family on this beautiful, beautiful
planet. I don't know, just kind of fit in with
what you were saying. So I was wondering if you
had any feelings on it. Maybe go onto NASA .com
or their YouTube page or whatever and catch some
of it and get back to me. Let me know what you
think. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Actually, in my
book, in my first chapter, I talk about the overview
effect because the God, the Godmother, Godfather
of my daughter. is a pilot and his best friend
is a French astronaut that was in space and so
I asked him a lot of questions too because I
have heard of the overview effect and I was like
yes that's it that's that's it that is exactly
that is so similar to what I saw and when I do
see the photos of of the earth and all these
lights I saw that that was what I saw But the
lights were not the lights of the city, the lights
were the people. So I saw, I saw your light,
I saw all these lights. And absolutely, there's
no war, there's no worry, there's no, there's
nothing like all of the heaviness that we carry
around with us all the time. I think that goes
into the ground with our bodies. I became really
Like I said, really interested in the body too.
And I studied anatomy and physiology and went
into a lab and saw, some people think this is
really creepy, but saw the dead bodies and held
them and dissected them. But it was so clear
for me coming back that I wasn't my body. I love
this body and what a gift that we have to have
these bodies, but we are. Something else what
I don't know the connection with the astronauts
is 100 % True and even on a plane. I don't know
if you fly very much Eric, but I love to fly
and look at the clouds like from above and Out
the window and just seeing the world like that,
you know, we fly over Paris and you don't see
like all the horns or you don't hear the traffic
you can put your headphones on and you can really
get into a place sometimes I see us like ants
in a way like that you know like we get so stuck
in our in our worries and fears while we just
have this like amazing opportunity to be on this
planet with all this beauty and all this light
and all this magic all right Let's talk about
some of the things that you learned you mentioned
seven things Are you gonna be able to tell me
the seven? Or just tell me a few doesn't matter
how many or what order no, I don't I don't mind
to tell you well I'll start the first one I've
already told you is That this really links into
what we were just talking about is that the earth
is a paradise like I saw Sorry, the bells are
going off here. I love hearing the bells. I know
our listeners are not going to be able to hear
them, but the bells just sound like Europe. Yeah.
And they've been off and on the whole time we've
been talking. Yeah, every 15 minutes they come.
So the first thing I notice is that the earth
is a paradise. I can go deeper in that, but I
won't. The second is, you know, there's nothing
to fear in the dark. was light, complete light,
like there was zero fear in death. The third
major thing is the lightness piece that I believe
we are light, we are this light and my mission
in life since then has really been to help others
connect to that light through yoga, through meditation,
through just sharing and like I said I want to
now just scream to everyone and be like you don't
Don't worry, don't look down at your phone all
day. You are so much more than you think you
are. You are this beautiful light. And to follow
the light and to be light, the next one is, and
it actually goes through the chakra system to
really create a transformative process for the
reader, for the person to experience. My goal
has been for them writing this. I've worked on
it for seven years, is to help them really...
not just me tell what happened, but to also help
the reader experience it for themselves. Because
one of the biggest things that I learned is that
death is amazing, but if we can take what we
can see in death and live that in life and exploring
death and talking about it, like you do, Eric,
so good, helping people bring death to the surface,
not as something taboo or dark or scary, because
that is nothing like I saw when I was there,
but just to talk about it and to bring it into
our lives more. The unknown is always scary.
And that's one of the reasons it's so awesome
to talk to people that have died and come back,
because it takes some of the fear out of it.
And the people that I talk to, they're always
telling me, Oh, I don't have any fear of death
anymore. Okay. But that's because it's not so
unknown for you as it is for most people, right?
I'm curious. This is a profound thing to happen
to somebody and you were only 16 years old. When
you, I don't know how long it took you to get
out of the hospital and get back to school and
stuff, but how was Kara different? Because you
weren't a regular 16 year old anymore after having
an experience like this. Yeah, thank you. Before,
like I said, I was angry and I believe I was
even struggling with the eating disorder. I was
just really lost. Coming back to my body, I was
diagnosed with brain damage, so it wasn't overnight.
It wasn't like the next day I felt like I do
today. It was a long road of healing for years,
but in quiet moments, like in my bath at night,
I would remember what I saw and it changed everything.
I was obsessed with learning more about the mind
-body spirit. I was obsessed with learning about
the brain and the body and other cultures, like
what do they say about... I wasn't really interested
in hearing what other people say about death
because I had... It was such a huge, profound
thing for me. I didn't need more explanation
about that, but I did want to know more about
the mind and the body. When I discovered yoga
at 21 in university, in my early 20s, I couldn't.
I took classes for probably a year, and then
when I got hooked, when I started coming... back
to those same feelings that I experienced in
death. I quickly became a teacher and I could
not stop teaching anyone that would listen. I
didn't want to spill my experience on death on
everyone because it's something that I love to
talk about, so I'm really thankful for you to
talk about it, but it's also something that I
don't talk about because it's a triggering subject.
I test the waters sometimes. In France, I feel
like it's even more difficult to talk about than
in the U .S., but people are very uncomfortable
talking about death, so I don't share this unless
I really feel in a safe space because it was
so personal and so beautiful. I think I was probably
always a child that saw the beauty in life, but
at 16 I had lost that. 16, I was completely,
completely disconnected from that. It reconnected
me even though it took years to the beauty of
life, to the beauty of being alive. As you and
I were chatting earlier, you mentioned that near
-death experiences are something that you didn't
even really research much until recently. And
then you found us, this is the first time you've
really talked in a in a big public forum like
this. Tell me about that journey. Yeah, thank
you. So when I became a mom, nine years ago,
living in France, I began writing a lot. And
I've realized I had taught yoga now for 15 years,
but I realized like, there's something deeper,
something more that I need to do. I think life
became super precious to me. And I started thinking
again about death. And what would happen if I
was to die? What would I want to leave my daughters?
So I began writing. I didn't also moving to France
10 years ago. I didn't speak French and I don't
live exactly inside of Paris, the town city that
I live in. No one speaks English, so. It was
a long road. Now I speak French, but for years,
you know, every conversation was difficult. So
I went straight to my journal, I went straight
to writing, and I realized there was a very clear
book coming out of me, a very clear message of
share because I realized there are people that
are scared of death. For a long time, I saw that
My experience was a curse because I was no longer
allowed to play sports again. I was no longer
You know, there was so much that felt difficult
about it at the time and now I realize what a
gift it was especially since I got to come back
and I think on the other side the one the ones
of us that have passed our parents our grandparents
are ancestors, you know, I think they're always
kind of whispering in my ear saying, share, share,
share. People need to know how lucky they are
before their, I don't want to say before your
time is up, but if we could have the opportunity
to wake up to the beauty of life while we're
still here, I truly believe, I mean, Eric, I
don't know any other near -death experiences.
I really haven't. I only know one person that
came to me and shared in a yoga class that she
had had a similar experience. But I know you
know so many, so I may be off on this. But I
think we all will have, you know, when we leave
our body, it will be something similar, you know,
going straight into pure love and seeing how
beautiful everything is right now. But my question
has been like, what if we can have that while
we're alive? And so that's why I came out to
share. That's why I'm writing my book. I have
a lot of art. Just talking about death and bringing
death to the table because for me I kind of feel
like if we're not talking about death then we're
not truly living because it is a big piece of
life. And it's easier not to talk about. It makes
everyone uncomfortable it seems around me and
it makes me uncomfortable sometimes too and I
get it. Like I'm terrified of losing my daughter
and my husband. I have very vivid dreams and
I dream about them dying and I am crippled the
next day so I get why it's hard to talk about.
For me, I know I have to share. I have to let
people who are interested know kind of what it
was like and sharing in a way of we travel a
lot, we're getting ready to go to Japan on Sundays,
sharing it in a way as I would someone who's
interested in a different country. It was very
vivid and it lives with me every single day and
I feel like until I fully get it out and share
it I'm not quite complete. Yeah it's funny something
that you mentioned a minute ago because I don't
feel like this podcast is about death isn't that
weird it's even in the title and I don't feel
like it's about death because well for the people
that come on this podcast it was a very temporary
thing it was a quick death get a glimpse of the
other side, learn something, come back. Okay,
let's talk about it. As someone just a couple
of days ago explained to me, their dying felt
like just walking into another room. It was so
simple and so easy. And we talk about life in
the fact that we have hope. Death is not an end.
And so it doesn't need to be as scary of a thing
as we think. Sure, we're going to miss people
that have died. It's funny the old phrase, oh,
they're in a better place. You know, it just
seems so trite. But it's so darn true. It just,
it just is. And those that we have loved and
lost, we haven't, well, first of all, we haven't
really lost. They really are in a great, great
place. and we really will be able to see them
again. And that's a beautiful thing. So, I don't
know, maybe we should take death out of the whole
terminology out of the equation here, but I digress.
Why did you all of a sudden want to reach out
and do this? And how'd you find us? I, the book
I was telling you, I'm almost finished writing
it and I thought, okay, if I'm going to put this
book out into the world. I should start talking
about it. The book is about talking about death.
And so I just honestly did a little, like a two
minute research and your podcast came up and
I had a good feeling. And so I sent you a message
and you instantly responded. And I was like,
okay, here we go. So it was people saying, Things
that are aligned are simple. It was that simple.
It was really a heart -felt movement of reaching
out. Well, I'm glad you did. It's been great
getting to know you. Would you leave us with
some kind of a message of hope today? Yeah, of
course. To anyone listening, you are so... You're
so powerful. You're so brilliant. You're so vibrant.
You're so much more than you think you are. I
think this morning I was with my three -year
-old. They start school here in France at three,
with all these kids from all around the world.
And each of us, we have, you know, this beautiful
gift of love and light and beauty. And we can
get so stuck on what we're lacking. and we can
watch the news and get stuck in how terrible
the world is. Yes, there are a lot of things
to make better, but I think as soon as we leave
our bodies, we're going to see how amazing every
little piece of life was. So the hope is that
you are perfect just as you are and keep spreading
your light and enjoy your time on earth because
we are so truly lucky to be here. Like it is
a paradise. Things happen, everything happens
for a reason, I believe. And all is love. All
is love. It's the bottom line. All right, Kara,
thanks a lot. Thank you. Thanks again for listening
and sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit
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Until then, I wish you everything good that you're
looking for in this life and the next.