WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.049 greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back 00:00:33.049 --> 00:00:36.829 home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. 00:00:39.030 --> 00:00:41.049 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody. 00:00:41.530 --> 00:00:43.990 This is going to be so fun today because we're 00:00:43.990 --> 00:00:47.049 going all the way over to France to talk with 00:00:47.049 --> 00:00:49.909 Kara. Good morning or evening for you Kara, how 00:00:49.909 --> 00:00:54.250 are you? Good morning, good evening Eric. I'm 00:00:54.250 --> 00:00:57.810 great, how are you? I'm fantastic. We've gotten 00:00:57.810 --> 00:01:00.820 over our technical glitches for the day. Just 00:01:00.820 --> 00:01:03.539 so everybody knows we've had our share of frustration 00:01:03.539 --> 00:01:05.659 including and you didn't hear about this yet 00:01:05.659 --> 00:01:10.239 Kara, but our Internet where I live has been 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:16.079 out for about 12 hours and luckily I have a starlink 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:18.840 that I use when we're camping and stuff and so 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:22.719 I rigged that up and and Then you had problems 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:25.579 with Riverside and anyway, but here we are. It 00:01:25.579 --> 00:01:27.760 was meant to be we just had to work through it 00:01:27.849 --> 00:01:30.290 It was meant to be it's still amazing to me that 00:01:30.290 --> 00:01:34.730 we can connect from Utah to France like this 00:01:34.730 --> 00:01:37.870 Yeah, and and there's no pause or delay really 00:01:37.870 --> 00:01:42.430 either. It just works Yeah, so cool. Would you 00:01:42.430 --> 00:01:48.170 pronounce your last name? sure long Dare boved 00:01:48.170 --> 00:01:52.519 Kara von der Boved, but you can say longer or 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.700 vander it's my my husband's last name which he's 00:01:55.700 --> 00:01:58.200 french and the name is dutch so it takes it takes 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:01.760 some time to say i'm gonna stick with cara if 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:05.680 you don't mind no that's good cara is good just 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:07.439 so we can get to know you a little bit before 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:11.719 we jump into your near -death experience what 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:14.439 got you to france because you grew up where north 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.780 carolina Yeah, I grew up in the mountains of 00:02:17.780 --> 00:02:22.300 North Carolina and my husband actually was an 00:02:22.300 --> 00:02:25.199 exchange student in the mountains from France. 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:27.139 He came to the mountains of North Carolina to 00:02:27.139 --> 00:02:32.419 play soccer and we connected then and then I 00:02:32.419 --> 00:02:34.900 moved to Colorado. He lived in France and we 00:02:34.900 --> 00:02:37.020 were both revisiting North Carolina at the same 00:02:37.020 --> 00:02:40.479 time and fell in love. A short way of saying 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:42.979 that's how I got to France was because of him. 00:02:43.060 --> 00:02:45.800 And then very quickly I became pregnant with 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.560 my first daughter and now I have two daughters. 00:02:48.620 --> 00:02:52.180 So I've been here for 10 years. So what part 00:02:52.180 --> 00:02:55.780 of France? Just outside of Paris. So I'm in a 00:02:55.780 --> 00:02:59.500 small town outside of Paris, but definitely with 00:02:59.500 --> 00:03:03.979 that same energy. Yeah. Yeah well there's a lot 00:03:03.979 --> 00:03:08.139 of energy in Paris but it's an interesting place 00:03:08.139 --> 00:03:12.240 because there's just, to me it was kind of polarizing 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:15.400 because there's all these beautiful museums and 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:19.539 then there's crazy traffic and politics and all 00:03:19.539 --> 00:03:22.219 that kind of stuff but I loved it but it would 00:03:22.219 --> 00:03:25.360 be weird to live there I think. Yeah, it is and 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:27.740 I'm out of the city enough like I'm in another 00:03:27.740 --> 00:03:30.479 small city just outside of the city where when 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:33.180 I come back From the center of the city. I feel 00:03:33.180 --> 00:03:35.539 really calm and grounded, but you're exactly 00:03:35.539 --> 00:03:38.599 right It's there's a lot of extremes going on 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:43.020 in that city, but it's it's magic too. It is 00:03:43.020 --> 00:03:45.659 But I can tell you're a person that's not the 00:03:45.659 --> 00:03:49.889 frenetic energy type And no, it's taken my nervous 00:03:49.889 --> 00:03:55.069 system a long time to adjust, like years, but 00:03:55.069 --> 00:03:58.750 it's adjusting, so. Well, one of the things that's 00:03:58.750 --> 00:04:00.689 going to be fun today, and maybe I should warn 00:04:00.689 --> 00:04:06.270 our listeners up front, 5 % of the time do a 00:04:06.270 --> 00:04:08.810 pre -interview with people and know the whole, 00:04:09.289 --> 00:04:11.689 a little bit about the whole story. So I'm not 00:04:11.689 --> 00:04:13.509 too surprised as we're going through it, but 00:04:13.509 --> 00:04:16.689 we didn't have that opportunity this time. So 00:04:16.689 --> 00:04:19.310 I'm going to be very surprised by some things. 00:04:19.970 --> 00:04:22.769 I know your experience happened when you were 00:04:22.769 --> 00:04:26.350 16 years old. So, but I want you to just jump 00:04:26.350 --> 00:04:29.009 into it and tell me what was going on with your 00:04:29.009 --> 00:04:32.480 life and what led up to what happened. Okay, 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:36.019 where should I start? So I will start at the 00:04:36.019 --> 00:04:42.139 experience itself. I was a soccer player growing 00:04:42.139 --> 00:04:47.560 up. I played from like age seven until 16 with 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:51.399 the same group of girls. And we were on our way 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:54.879 to state playoffs. It was right before halftime. 00:04:55.139 --> 00:04:57.620 There was raining, like very dramatic scenery. 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:01.610 And then our best kicker kick the ball straight 00:05:01.610 --> 00:05:05.870 into my left temple and it instantly stopped 00:05:05.870 --> 00:05:09.290 my heart and my heart was stopped for seven minutes 00:05:09.290 --> 00:05:12.110 and my dad said that the blow to the head was 00:05:12.110 --> 00:05:15.230 so extreme that it went up and over the stadium 00:05:15.230 --> 00:05:17.550 lights and she, I don't know if you know about 00:05:17.550 --> 00:05:20.829 soccer, but she was a sweeper and I was a left 00:05:20.829 --> 00:05:22.850 fullback and she was meaning to kick it like 00:05:22.850 --> 00:05:26.870 to the other side of the field but it kind of 00:05:26.870 --> 00:05:30.500 spun off and just directly directly hit me in 00:05:30.500 --> 00:05:32.920 the head and I had a teammate run to me saying, 00:05:33.180 --> 00:05:34.540 are you okay, Kara? Are you okay? Are you okay? 00:05:34.699 --> 00:05:37.040 And that was the last thing that I remember. 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:40.560 I just instantly went out of my body and I was 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.459 up and over everyone. So. Okay. Before we get 00:05:44.459 --> 00:05:47.680 deeper into that, I'm just curious about the 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.350 thing. Cause I mean, I've played a little soccer. 00:05:50.490 --> 00:05:52.949 I've seen a lot of soccer and soccer players 00:05:52.949 --> 00:05:54.949 are hitting the ball with their head all the 00:05:54.949 --> 00:05:57.529 time. Did this hit you in a different spot like 00:05:57.529 --> 00:06:01.170 the temple or something? It did. It was in my 00:06:01.170 --> 00:06:04.790 left temple. Yeah. And me too, I played for a 00:06:04.790 --> 00:06:07.550 long time. So the whole, when I came back to 00:06:07.550 --> 00:06:10.949 my body, I was really fascinated of exactly like 00:06:10.949 --> 00:06:14.629 how that could happen. But it was the left temple 00:06:14.629 --> 00:06:18.519 that instantly stopped my heart. And medically 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:21.480 how did they bring you back? With a defibrillator. 00:06:22.379 --> 00:06:24.500 Thank goodness those are all over the place now. 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:28.259 Yeah yeah it was in an ambulance so it took a 00:06:28.259 --> 00:06:30.439 little time from the soccer field to get into 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:34.019 the ambulance but for me it was an amazing experience. 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:38.120 All right let's get back into it. So you get 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.100 hit in the head with a ball you remember your 00:06:40.100 --> 00:06:43.480 friend saying something then what do you see? 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:47.170 You've said you left your body. Yeah, so instantly 00:06:47.170 --> 00:06:51.709 I was above everyone and I was watching like 00:06:51.709 --> 00:06:54.490 looking down at at my teammates which were kind 00:06:54.490 --> 00:06:56.629 of which were hovered all around me I could see 00:06:56.629 --> 00:07:02.089 them and I saw them like as a candle flame actually 00:07:02.089 --> 00:07:03.949 like I'm looking at a candle flame right now 00:07:03.949 --> 00:07:07.649 I saw them as this light so this this beautiful 00:07:07.649 --> 00:07:11.350 amazing lights around me actually I draw this 00:07:11.350 --> 00:07:15.379 often and then my body in the middle was like 00:07:15.379 --> 00:07:18.839 a wick like no light so i saw everyone around 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:21.019 me with this light like each person had this 00:07:21.019 --> 00:07:23.600 light that went up and over them like as high 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:28.639 as the trees and then the trees they had this 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:32.600 light that just went over i mean so so high i 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:36.660 would say as high as the mountains and it just 00:07:36.660 --> 00:07:41.139 moved and swayed and i was i was just in awe 00:07:41.139 --> 00:07:44.910 i could not Stop watching them. It was so beautiful. 00:07:44.910 --> 00:07:49.850 It was it was pure bliss. It was pure love and 00:07:49.850 --> 00:07:53.029 Then I focused in on my parents Because actually 00:07:53.029 --> 00:07:55.649 inside of my body, which I'll get to later. I 00:07:55.649 --> 00:07:59.949 was very Upset. I was a 16 year old very very 00:07:59.949 --> 00:08:04.230 very angry 16 year old at this point and I was 00:08:04.230 --> 00:08:08.980 very angry my parents so inside my body I was 00:08:08.980 --> 00:08:12.560 very angry at them outside of my body oh my god 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:18.180 they were just so extremely beautiful I mean 00:08:18.180 --> 00:08:23.560 like I can kind of show you like the flame of 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:26.519 a light I mean just swaying and swaying and swaying 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:30.579 with so much you know the time I think it was 00:08:30.579 --> 00:08:33.279 around seven minutes but for me it felt like 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:36.919 it felt like whole lifetime I was there just 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:39.279 watching them and watching their beauty and seeing 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.840 all this not not their bodies I didn't see their 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:46.440 faces or their Colors, but I saw this light around 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.720 them. That was just so beautiful and they swayed 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:53.039 together and I didn't have any thoughts my only 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:57.240 thought I can remember was like oh my gosh, they 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:59.919 love me because I was watching, you know my teammates 00:08:59.919 --> 00:09:04.440 and my parents just how they and I felt how much 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.600 they loved me. Yeah, so that's really what I 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:12.000 saw. The next thing I remember is I came back 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:15.480 to my body and I was in the ambulance and it 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:19.740 was it was the opposite of those warm feelings. 00:09:20.220 --> 00:09:22.460 Outside of my body I felt like I was held by 00:09:22.460 --> 00:09:26.399 the whole universe like I was bathing and like 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.419 when you're outside and it's really cold on a 00:09:28.419 --> 00:09:31.179 winter day coming back inside to a warm bath. 00:09:31.389 --> 00:09:34.909 It felt so safe and warm and then in the ambulance 00:09:34.909 --> 00:09:38.190 it was the opposite. There was fluorescent lights. 00:09:38.309 --> 00:09:41.970 It was cold. It was frigid and I wanted to go 00:09:41.970 --> 00:09:44.649 back to that place. Like I was like my body was, 00:09:44.750 --> 00:09:47.429 you know, I mean I guess I had just been defibrillated. 00:09:47.450 --> 00:09:49.830 My body was going through a lot and I wanted 00:09:49.830 --> 00:09:53.289 to go back. The next thing I remember I did go 00:09:53.289 --> 00:09:57.350 back and I was in the hospital and I had another 00:09:58.100 --> 00:10:00.580 experience this time. My brother was like beside 00:10:00.580 --> 00:10:04.159 me in the hospital room. He was probably eight 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:07.720 and he was bent down and I heard him say, um, 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:10.580 sissy, sissy, please come back. And I don't, 00:10:10.779 --> 00:10:13.220 I have no like logically in my brain now. I have 00:10:13.220 --> 00:10:15.539 no idea how I heard him that if he said it loudly 00:10:15.539 --> 00:10:19.220 or if I was able to hear his thoughts. But in 00:10:19.220 --> 00:10:22.000 that moment I came back to my body and I haven't 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.559 left since then. So that's an overview. I am 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:30.620 I'm writing a book about this where I have found 00:10:30.620 --> 00:10:34.080 like seven main truths that I discovered during 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:38.419 that experience. But that's just a big, big overview 00:10:38.419 --> 00:10:41.379 of what it was like. Okay. Well, I want to hear 00:10:41.379 --> 00:10:44.220 a little bit more detail and description. Tell 00:10:44.220 --> 00:10:47.399 me more about your feelings. You mentioned love, 00:10:47.659 --> 00:10:51.279 you mentioned safety and warmth. What else? Yeah, 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:57.000 I felt, I felt free. I felt free so I was myself 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:05.240 100 % like I was as a child like I am now talking 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.740 to you but even more myself like because I'm 00:11:07.740 --> 00:11:12.059 nervous right now but I was me like 100 % me 00:11:12.059 --> 00:11:15.720 and I think something that was fascinating now 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:17.960 is looking down and realizing that everyone was 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:21.720 looking at my body but I wasn't there and I was 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:25.019 above I was because I was watching them I just 00:11:25.019 --> 00:11:30.059 felt so much love and everything was love like 00:11:30.059 --> 00:11:33.059 every single piece of it there was zero fear 00:11:33.059 --> 00:11:36.919 or zero worry or zero anger and I'll get this 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:40.159 to this later but I was very angry in my body 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:42.940 I wanted to die that was a big piece of it is 00:11:42.940 --> 00:11:49.879 I wanted to die I asked to die I prayed or But 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:54.539 not right before, like a week before, but I vividly 00:11:54.539 --> 00:11:57.759 had this moment in my bed as a teenager. I don't 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:01.200 know why. I mean, I can't really... Now, in my 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.620 mom, 38 -year -old brain, it doesn't make a lot 00:12:03.620 --> 00:12:06.080 of sense why, but in that moment at 16 -year 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:10.840 -old, just maybe a week before this event, I 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:15.940 wanted to die. And I remember laying... on my 00:12:15.940 --> 00:12:17.779 bed and looking up to the sky and looking up 00:12:17.779 --> 00:12:20.059 to God to the universe and saying like take me 00:12:20.059 --> 00:12:22.279 out like this is not what I signed up for I don't 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.759 want to be in this life anymore and I was so 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:27.059 angry and I was so vivid and there was just so 00:12:27.059 --> 00:12:29.200 many pieces of my life I felt like we're falling 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.879 apart and just these like intense intense emotions 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:36.620 I would say I don't think I actually meant it 00:12:36.620 --> 00:12:40.179 but when it happened when the accident happened 00:12:40.179 --> 00:12:44.509 and I came back to my body The first thought 00:12:44.509 --> 00:12:47.909 I had was, how did I do this? I'm from a very 00:12:47.909 --> 00:12:51.250 small town. My entire community coddled me because 00:12:51.250 --> 00:12:54.389 of this terrible accident that I had. But inside 00:12:54.389 --> 00:12:57.850 of me, I thought, how did I do this? That was 00:12:57.850 --> 00:13:01.330 the main thought I had because I was like, I 00:13:01.330 --> 00:13:06.110 wanted to die and then I died. There was just 00:13:06.110 --> 00:13:10.230 an instant connection. I then became obsessed 00:13:10.230 --> 00:13:13.549 with The mind and the brain and I didn't feel 00:13:13.549 --> 00:13:17.970 like I could ever tell anyone this because You 00:13:17.970 --> 00:13:20.629 know, it's where I grew up like it's a sin to 00:13:20.629 --> 00:13:23.409 want to die and plus I was popular I was homecoming 00:13:23.409 --> 00:13:26.990 Queen I was on the outside I put a really good 00:13:26.990 --> 00:13:30.389 mask every day like I smiled brighter than anyone 00:13:30.389 --> 00:13:32.950 I was voted best smile and like on the inside 00:13:32.950 --> 00:13:37.980 I just was lost and angry and and even more after 00:13:37.980 --> 00:13:40.220 the accident because I was diagnosed with brain 00:13:40.220 --> 00:13:44.899 damage, but it kind of sent me on this path inside 00:13:44.899 --> 00:13:47.659 of me. I didn't tell really anyone except my 00:13:47.659 --> 00:13:50.879 very, very closest friends, my experience of 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:53.179 pure love and seeing that the world is perfect 00:13:53.179 --> 00:13:57.419 and seeing that we are here right now in this 00:13:57.419 --> 00:14:00.779 paradise from above. I mean, the world was just 00:14:00.779 --> 00:14:08.549 so, is just so perfect and so beautiful and so 00:14:08.549 --> 00:14:12.809 held and I saw, you know, everything has a purpose 00:14:12.809 --> 00:14:17.990 and everything has a reason and just 100 % love. 00:14:18.029 --> 00:14:20.029 So when I came back to my body, I was really 00:14:20.029 --> 00:14:23.809 fascinated in discovering the difference. Why 00:14:23.809 --> 00:14:25.730 did I have that outside of my body? And then 00:14:25.730 --> 00:14:28.250 inside of my body, I'm back to all this anger 00:14:28.250 --> 00:14:30.830 and these thoughts that are really heavy and 00:14:30.830 --> 00:14:34.429 these thoughts that are really icky. So I began 00:14:34.429 --> 00:14:37.669 first studying with my neurologist because I 00:14:37.669 --> 00:14:40.250 was seeing the neurologist a lot to try to understand 00:14:40.250 --> 00:14:44.769 like what went on in my brain and then I was 00:14:44.769 --> 00:14:47.789 just obsessed with anything about the mind and 00:14:47.789 --> 00:14:51.009 the power of the mind and the mind -body I studied 00:14:51.009 --> 00:14:54.769 psychology for a while and then I was led to 00:14:54.769 --> 00:14:59.549 yoga which really was a huge huge healing space 00:14:59.549 --> 00:15:03.679 for me because in yoga it's It reconnected me 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:09.080 to those same feelings of peace and bliss and 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.320 pure love that I had in my near -death experience. 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.919 I mean, it was being in death that it was just 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.580 100 % love, like all of the fears and worries 00:15:20.580 --> 00:15:23.279 and things that... I mean, now, you know, we 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:25.419 can look back. I don't know if you remember yourself, 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.019 Eric, at 16 or, you know, a time in your life 00:15:28.019 --> 00:15:31.159 when you feel like the world is so awful and 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:34.629 that everything's so awful and now i can kind 00:15:34.629 --> 00:15:37.389 of look back at myself at 16 and be like honey 00:15:37.389 --> 00:15:39.509 like i have two daughters like it's not that 00:15:39.509 --> 00:15:40.850 big of a deal you're gonna get through it but 00:15:40.850 --> 00:15:44.889 at the time it was so extreme but the second 00:15:44.889 --> 00:15:48.370 i was out of my body none of that exists like 00:15:48.370 --> 00:15:53.049 zero yeah those teenage years that i think just 00:15:53.049 --> 00:15:56.049 the hormones running crazy make the emotions 00:15:56.049 --> 00:16:01.920 go crazy i mean from super happy to super sad, 00:16:01.920 --> 00:16:07.639 frustrated, mad, whatever. I remember mostly 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:11.620 just taking it out on my poor car, you know, 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:14.519 driving away from high school every day, just 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:16.960 like as fast as I could. I don't know, for some 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:19.179 reason, that was kind of a release of everything 00:16:19.179 --> 00:16:22.639 pent up in the day. But other than that, I don't 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.360 know, those years were fun too. But yeah, there's 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.799 emotions all over the place. So before we move 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.169 on, How else can you describe this feeling of 00:16:33.169 --> 00:16:36.570 love you called a hundred percent love and How 00:16:36.570 --> 00:16:39.490 does it relate to the love that you feel in this 00:16:39.490 --> 00:16:45.649 life? husband children Etc I Think I can access 00:16:45.649 --> 00:16:48.789 that love when I'm really calm The love that 00:16:48.789 --> 00:16:52.330 I have for my daughter's Yes, I would say the 00:16:52.330 --> 00:16:54.350 same love the love that I have for my husband 00:16:54.350 --> 00:16:58.429 like yes, that's 100 % that love moreover, I 00:16:58.429 --> 00:17:01.059 would feel like It's like you're bathing in that 00:17:01.059 --> 00:17:08.039 love. It's constant. And I love the ocean. That's 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:10.319 another thing I really love. And I grew up on 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:12.660 the coasts of North Carolina, South Carolina 00:17:12.660 --> 00:17:16.279 in the summers. And we have these waves that 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:19.640 can sometimes be super dangerous. But I've always 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:22.539 played in the ocean. And then a feeling that 00:17:22.539 --> 00:17:25.200 I feel like, for me, that's similar is once I 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:28.720 get past those waves. And then there's just this 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:31.819 peace like floating on my back, looking up at 00:17:31.819 --> 00:17:37.099 the sun and just feeling held, like this feeling 00:17:37.099 --> 00:17:40.059 of just being held. And I think we can access 00:17:40.059 --> 00:17:44.119 it. That's been my life goal is to have to reaccess 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:47.279 it and to help others access it. Sometimes in 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:50.000 Shavasana at the end of yoga practice, we can 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:55.480 really get into that same place of just all of 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:58.500 the air. If you just close your eyes and imagine 00:17:58.500 --> 00:18:01.079 that all the air is just love, I think that's 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:04.599 a similar feeling. Alright, quick break for a 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.039 bit of a little truth session here, shall we 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:09.559 say. I have to admit, one of the fun things about 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:13.000 this podcast growing as big as it is, is that 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:15.460 companies send me their products to try out from 00:18:15.460 --> 00:18:18.740 time to time. Recently, I received a package 00:18:18.740 --> 00:18:21.839 from OneSkin, and I have to admit, my first thought 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:25.359 was, I am not doing a testimonial for a women's 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:28.579 anti -wrinkle skin cream. No, no, real men don't 00:18:28.579 --> 00:18:32.019 even use products like that. 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And as soon as 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:23.259 I was out of, you know, as soon as my heart was 00:20:23.259 --> 00:20:27.200 stopped, I was like, I don't know. Into the heart 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:32.299 like completely 100 100 percent Love, you know, 00:20:32.299 --> 00:20:35.920 I've I've also studied the brain a lot and I 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:40.059 our brains are just are amazing Einstein, you 00:20:40.059 --> 00:20:42.500 know tells us they're the most powerful satellite 00:20:42.500 --> 00:20:45.799 in the world and at the same time when I was 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:49.779 outside of my brain and feelings I didn't have 00:20:49.779 --> 00:20:56.079 any Worry or or fear so that love I think is 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:01.099 100 % accessible to us now in life if we can 00:21:01.099 --> 00:21:05.539 just take ourselves out of the fear and worry 00:21:05.539 --> 00:21:09.339 and stress. Sometimes it helps to get there and 00:21:09.339 --> 00:21:13.039 to understand it if we realize what the opposite 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:16.240 emotions are. And you've just mentioned fear. 00:21:16.299 --> 00:21:18.480 What are some of the other opposite emotions 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:24.990 to this love? Anger, worry, stress. Anxiety, 00:21:25.210 --> 00:21:29.309 guilt. Yes, guilt. And when I came back into 00:21:29.309 --> 00:21:31.990 my body, I had instant guilt, but outside there 00:21:31.990 --> 00:21:37.450 was zero. Zero guilt. Any jealousy, I would say 00:21:37.450 --> 00:21:42.029 none of that exists. Envy, not even. Did I do 00:21:42.029 --> 00:21:46.769 something wrong? I think in my brain, the way 00:21:46.769 --> 00:21:49.029 I grew up, I was always wondering if I was doing 00:21:49.029 --> 00:21:54.390 the right thing or if I was good enough. I think 00:21:54.390 --> 00:21:57.529 that is one thing that kind of led me to this 00:21:57.529 --> 00:22:02.049 point of wanting to leave life is I just wanted 00:22:02.049 --> 00:22:05.730 to be perfect all the time. And then outside 00:22:05.730 --> 00:22:11.769 of my body, the pure love, it's just... It's 00:22:11.769 --> 00:22:14.049 hard to explain. Is there anything else you remember 00:22:14.049 --> 00:22:18.029 seeing? You described the candles. Anything else 00:22:18.029 --> 00:22:25.930 you saw? I saw the earth. So I... I saw my teammates 00:22:25.930 --> 00:22:29.869 with this light, this vibrant, vibrant light, 00:22:29.930 --> 00:22:32.930 which I now believe is our essence, is our soul, 00:22:33.089 --> 00:22:36.690 is who we truly are, because my light was gone, 00:22:37.289 --> 00:22:40.029 but I was somewhere else. I don't know exactly 00:22:40.029 --> 00:22:46.150 where. And I saw the lights. I spent a lot of 00:22:46.150 --> 00:22:50.059 time focused on that. People have asked me if 00:22:50.059 --> 00:22:52.079 I saw a light somewhere else, but the light that 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:56.720 I saw was the earth. So I saw lights around the 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.079 plants, the trees, the trees they had, like the 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:04.160 people have amazing lights, but the trees, I 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:08.420 mean, I was just fascinated. I could, their lights 00:23:08.420 --> 00:23:13.740 were so big and so extreme, kind of hovering 00:23:13.740 --> 00:23:16.740 over us, I guess. what science now can prove 00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:19.599 as you know the way that they take in oxygen 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:23.799 and and protect us in this way. I saw the energy 00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:28.339 of the trees and I saw that the earth is is a 00:23:28.339 --> 00:23:31.680 paradise like this earth it's so beautiful I 00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:36.559 was I was just overtaken by the love and the 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:41.079 beauty of this planet. I think since since then 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:43.440 now I live I can show you outside of my window 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:47.089 I see people walking around every day through 00:23:47.089 --> 00:23:50.269 the city and I haven't shared this experience 00:23:50.269 --> 00:23:52.529 very much but one reason I really want to share 00:23:52.529 --> 00:23:54.950 it now is because I just want to scream out my 00:23:54.950 --> 00:23:58.109 window because I can still see the lights around 00:23:58.109 --> 00:24:02.309 people and how they they have this energy above 00:24:02.309 --> 00:24:04.869 them not just one person or not just a good person 00:24:04.869 --> 00:24:08.190 but every single person and I just want to scream 00:24:08.190 --> 00:24:11.950 to them like yours you have no idea how amazing 00:24:11.950 --> 00:24:15.970 you are. And it's a shame that we all can't see 00:24:15.970 --> 00:24:21.069 how vibrant we are. We get stuck on like, I get 00:24:21.069 --> 00:24:24.009 stuck on stupid stuff all the time. I was so 00:24:24.009 --> 00:24:27.170 nervous about talking about this. I haven't talked 00:24:27.170 --> 00:24:29.230 about this because I've been nervous about it. 00:24:29.230 --> 00:24:32.069 What will other people think? But at the end 00:24:32.069 --> 00:24:36.089 of the day, I think we're so lucky to be here. 00:24:36.569 --> 00:24:39.710 A big piece of this to me is that the people 00:24:39.710 --> 00:24:42.859 that I saw, they had no idea I was there. I was 00:24:42.859 --> 00:24:45.299 around them. I was watching them. I was loving 00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:49.000 them so deeply and they had no idea that I was, 00:24:49.099 --> 00:24:52.019 you know, they were really, really, really fixated 00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:57.160 on my body. So now that I have daughters and 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.500 I just want to let them know all the time, like 00:25:00.500 --> 00:25:03.079 we can't see, you know, all the stuff that's 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:05.960 going around us. And if I was right there and 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:08.759 nobody knew, you know, who is around us, what 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.940 is around us. all the pure love that is surrounding 00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:16.519 us all the time. I think we just, we're super 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:20.240 lucky to be here too. Another piece of this is 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:23.680 one reason I haven't shared for so long is because 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:28.940 yes, death is pure love, but also on the other 00:25:28.940 --> 00:25:32.039 side, it was very clear that life, the ones of 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:35.920 us that are here, we are so lucky to be here 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:40.240 and nothing is by chance. you just as you are, 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.160 are that way. And just where you are is perfect 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:46.920 like that. Like you don't need, we don't need 00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:49.279 to change anything. We don't need to do anything, 00:25:49.299 --> 00:25:53.180 but just the more aware we can become of how 00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:56.819 good it is right here and now, because it's all 00:25:56.819 --> 00:26:00.900 going to change. And to let go of everything 00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:03.779 else, you know, like life is so beautiful. Have 00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:07.539 you seen recently the astronauts? that went out 00:26:07.539 --> 00:26:09.859 and circled around the moon? Have you followed 00:26:09.859 --> 00:26:17.160 any of that? I haven't. Okay. But I do know of 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:20.079 the overview effect and I feel like it's quite 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:23.099 similar. Is that, sorry to interrupt you, is 00:26:23.099 --> 00:26:25.279 that what you're thinking? Well, I was wondering 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.599 about a couple of things. If you've seen any 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:31.900 of the video or stills that they shot from space 00:26:31.900 --> 00:26:34.960 looking back at the earth and how incredibly 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:39.329 beautiful it is, I'm just wondering how your 00:26:39.329 --> 00:26:43.190 viewpoint related to that, but also about the 00:26:43.190 --> 00:26:47.049 oneness that comes through that. I had a discussion 00:26:47.049 --> 00:26:51.430 a few years back with a politician that had the 00:26:51.430 --> 00:26:54.890 opportunity to go up on the space shuttle and 00:26:54.890 --> 00:26:58.170 see the Earth orbiting the Earth. He was saying 00:26:58.170 --> 00:27:00.769 how it just completely changed him. There's no 00:27:00.769 --> 00:27:03.970 borders. There's no politics. We're all just 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.980 part of this family on this beautiful, beautiful 00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:10.359 planet. I don't know, just kind of fit in with 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.180 what you were saying. So I was wondering if you 00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:16.859 had any feelings on it. Maybe go onto NASA .com 00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:19.799 or their YouTube page or whatever and catch some 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.079 of it and get back to me. Let me know what you 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.700 think. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Actually, in my 00:27:25.700 --> 00:27:28.240 book, in my first chapter, I talk about the overview 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:32.180 effect because the God, the Godmother, Godfather 00:27:32.180 --> 00:27:35.420 of my daughter. is a pilot and his best friend 00:27:35.420 --> 00:27:38.900 is a French astronaut that was in space and so 00:27:38.900 --> 00:27:42.660 I asked him a lot of questions too because I 00:27:42.660 --> 00:27:44.599 have heard of the overview effect and I was like 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.220 yes that's it that's that's it that is exactly 00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:51.279 that is so similar to what I saw and when I do 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.240 see the photos of of the earth and all these 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:59.349 lights I saw that that was what I saw But the 00:27:59.349 --> 00:28:01.609 lights were not the lights of the city, the lights 00:28:01.609 --> 00:28:05.789 were the people. So I saw, I saw your light, 00:28:05.910 --> 00:28:09.869 I saw all these lights. And absolutely, there's 00:28:09.869 --> 00:28:12.609 no war, there's no worry, there's no, there's 00:28:12.609 --> 00:28:16.069 nothing like all of the heaviness that we carry 00:28:16.069 --> 00:28:20.869 around with us all the time. I think that goes 00:28:20.869 --> 00:28:24.250 into the ground with our bodies. I became really 00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:27.549 Like I said, really interested in the body too. 00:28:27.769 --> 00:28:31.589 And I studied anatomy and physiology and went 00:28:31.589 --> 00:28:34.869 into a lab and saw, some people think this is 00:28:34.869 --> 00:28:37.690 really creepy, but saw the dead bodies and held 00:28:37.690 --> 00:28:41.250 them and dissected them. But it was so clear 00:28:41.250 --> 00:28:45.650 for me coming back that I wasn't my body. I love 00:28:45.650 --> 00:28:48.990 this body and what a gift that we have to have 00:28:48.990 --> 00:28:53.670 these bodies, but we are. Something else what 00:28:53.670 --> 00:28:57.369 I don't know the connection with the astronauts 00:28:57.369 --> 00:29:02.130 is 100 % True and even on a plane. I don't know 00:29:02.130 --> 00:29:06.089 if you fly very much Eric, but I love to fly 00:29:06.089 --> 00:29:11.250 and look at the clouds like from above and Out 00:29:11.250 --> 00:29:14.230 the window and just seeing the world like that, 00:29:14.230 --> 00:29:17.829 you know, we fly over Paris and you don't see 00:29:17.829 --> 00:29:21.029 like all the horns or you don't hear the traffic 00:29:21.029 --> 00:29:23.230 you can put your headphones on and you can really 00:29:23.230 --> 00:29:28.049 get into a place sometimes I see us like ants 00:29:28.049 --> 00:29:30.490 in a way like that you know like we get so stuck 00:29:30.490 --> 00:29:34.230 in our in our worries and fears while we just 00:29:34.230 --> 00:29:37.390 have this like amazing opportunity to be on this 00:29:37.390 --> 00:29:41.109 planet with all this beauty and all this light 00:29:41.109 --> 00:29:45.319 and all this magic all right Let's talk about 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.339 some of the things that you learned you mentioned 00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:50.700 seven things Are you gonna be able to tell me 00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:53.819 the seven? Or just tell me a few doesn't matter 00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:56.259 how many or what order no, I don't I don't mind 00:29:56.259 --> 00:29:59.279 to tell you well I'll start the first one I've 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.359 already told you is That this really links into 00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:03.900 what we were just talking about is that the earth 00:30:03.900 --> 00:30:08.180 is a paradise like I saw Sorry, the bells are 00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:11.500 going off here. I love hearing the bells. I know 00:30:11.500 --> 00:30:13.380 our listeners are not going to be able to hear 00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:17.660 them, but the bells just sound like Europe. Yeah. 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:20.140 And they've been off and on the whole time we've 00:30:20.140 --> 00:30:23.819 been talking. Yeah, every 15 minutes they come. 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:27.019 So the first thing I notice is that the earth 00:30:27.019 --> 00:30:29.880 is a paradise. I can go deeper in that, but I 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.299 won't. The second is, you know, there's nothing 00:30:33.299 --> 00:30:37.980 to fear in the dark. was light, complete light, 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.819 like there was zero fear in death. The third 00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:46.519 major thing is the lightness piece that I believe 00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:50.640 we are light, we are this light and my mission 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.619 in life since then has really been to help others 00:30:54.619 --> 00:30:57.240 connect to that light through yoga, through meditation, 00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:01.279 through just sharing and like I said I want to 00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:05.480 now just scream to everyone and be like you don't 00:31:05.210 --> 00:31:07.829 Don't worry, don't look down at your phone all 00:31:07.829 --> 00:31:10.190 day. You are so much more than you think you 00:31:10.190 --> 00:31:12.809 are. You are this beautiful light. And to follow 00:31:12.809 --> 00:31:17.349 the light and to be light, the next one is, and 00:31:17.349 --> 00:31:19.390 it actually goes through the chakra system to 00:31:19.390 --> 00:31:22.809 really create a transformative process for the 00:31:22.809 --> 00:31:26.210 reader, for the person to experience. My goal 00:31:26.210 --> 00:31:28.569 has been for them writing this. I've worked on 00:31:28.569 --> 00:31:30.650 it for seven years, is to help them really... 00:31:30.730 --> 00:31:35.529 not just me tell what happened, but to also help 00:31:35.529 --> 00:31:38.250 the reader experience it for themselves. Because 00:31:38.250 --> 00:31:40.750 one of the biggest things that I learned is that 00:31:40.750 --> 00:31:44.390 death is amazing, but if we can take what we 00:31:44.390 --> 00:31:49.150 can see in death and live that in life and exploring 00:31:49.150 --> 00:31:51.250 death and talking about it, like you do, Eric, 00:31:51.269 --> 00:31:55.769 so good, helping people bring death to the surface, 00:31:56.190 --> 00:31:58.950 not as something taboo or dark or scary, because 00:31:58.950 --> 00:32:02.230 that is nothing like I saw when I was there, 00:32:02.630 --> 00:32:06.309 but just to talk about it and to bring it into 00:32:06.309 --> 00:32:09.650 our lives more. The unknown is always scary. 00:32:10.349 --> 00:32:13.490 And that's one of the reasons it's so awesome 00:32:13.490 --> 00:32:16.490 to talk to people that have died and come back, 00:32:16.829 --> 00:32:19.069 because it takes some of the fear out of it. 00:32:19.509 --> 00:32:21.329 And the people that I talk to, they're always 00:32:21.329 --> 00:32:23.009 telling me, Oh, I don't have any fear of death 00:32:23.009 --> 00:32:27.109 anymore. Okay. But that's because it's not so 00:32:27.109 --> 00:32:30.710 unknown for you as it is for most people, right? 00:32:31.650 --> 00:32:35.069 I'm curious. This is a profound thing to happen 00:32:35.069 --> 00:32:38.950 to somebody and you were only 16 years old. When 00:32:38.950 --> 00:32:41.109 you, I don't know how long it took you to get 00:32:41.109 --> 00:32:43.369 out of the hospital and get back to school and 00:32:43.369 --> 00:32:47.710 stuff, but how was Kara different? Because you 00:32:47.710 --> 00:32:50.410 weren't a regular 16 year old anymore after having 00:32:50.410 --> 00:32:54.670 an experience like this. Yeah, thank you. Before, 00:32:54.670 --> 00:32:59.750 like I said, I was angry and I believe I was 00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:02.150 even struggling with the eating disorder. I was 00:33:02.150 --> 00:33:09.130 just really lost. Coming back to my body, I was 00:33:09.130 --> 00:33:12.329 diagnosed with brain damage, so it wasn't overnight. 00:33:12.490 --> 00:33:15.390 It wasn't like the next day I felt like I do 00:33:15.390 --> 00:33:19.309 today. It was a long road of healing for years, 00:33:19.529 --> 00:33:23.740 but in quiet moments, like in my bath at night, 00:33:23.819 --> 00:33:28.480 I would remember what I saw and it changed everything. 00:33:28.539 --> 00:33:33.059 I was obsessed with learning more about the mind 00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:37.039 -body spirit. I was obsessed with learning about 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.839 the brain and the body and other cultures, like 00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.480 what do they say about... I wasn't really interested 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.559 in hearing what other people say about death 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.609 because I had... It was such a huge, profound 00:33:49.609 --> 00:33:54.509 thing for me. I didn't need more explanation 00:33:54.509 --> 00:33:56.970 about that, but I did want to know more about 00:33:56.970 --> 00:34:00.609 the mind and the body. When I discovered yoga 00:34:00.609 --> 00:34:07.069 at 21 in university, in my early 20s, I couldn't. 00:34:07.170 --> 00:34:09.530 I took classes for probably a year, and then 00:34:09.530 --> 00:34:12.219 when I got hooked, when I started coming... back 00:34:12.219 --> 00:34:14.320 to those same feelings that I experienced in 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:18.000 death. I quickly became a teacher and I could 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.280 not stop teaching anyone that would listen. I 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:25.980 didn't want to spill my experience on death on 00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:28.639 everyone because it's something that I love to 00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:30.699 talk about, so I'm really thankful for you to 00:34:30.699 --> 00:34:33.659 talk about it, but it's also something that I 00:34:33.659 --> 00:34:36.420 don't talk about because it's a triggering subject. 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:41.079 I test the waters sometimes. In France, I feel 00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:44.219 like it's even more difficult to talk about than 00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:48.199 in the U .S., but people are very uncomfortable 00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.880 talking about death, so I don't share this unless 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.260 I really feel in a safe space because it was 00:34:54.260 --> 00:35:02.420 so personal and so beautiful. I think I was probably 00:35:02.420 --> 00:35:05.900 always a child that saw the beauty in life, but 00:35:05.900 --> 00:35:11.780 at 16 I had lost that. 16, I was completely, 00:35:12.340 --> 00:35:15.360 completely disconnected from that. It reconnected 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.780 me even though it took years to the beauty of 00:35:17.780 --> 00:35:22.260 life, to the beauty of being alive. As you and 00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:25.599 I were chatting earlier, you mentioned that near 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.800 -death experiences are something that you didn't 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:33.940 even really research much until recently. And 00:35:33.940 --> 00:35:37.139 then you found us, this is the first time you've 00:35:37.139 --> 00:35:39.739 really talked in a in a big public forum like 00:35:39.739 --> 00:35:42.619 this. Tell me about that journey. Yeah, thank 00:35:42.619 --> 00:35:47.380 you. So when I became a mom, nine years ago, 00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:52.659 living in France, I began writing a lot. And 00:35:52.659 --> 00:35:56.519 I've realized I had taught yoga now for 15 years, 00:35:56.539 --> 00:35:59.380 but I realized like, there's something deeper, 00:35:59.539 --> 00:36:02.199 something more that I need to do. I think life 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:05.159 became super precious to me. And I started thinking 00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.579 again about death. And what would happen if I 00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:11.760 was to die? What would I want to leave my daughters? 00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:16.719 So I began writing. I didn't also moving to France 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.840 10 years ago. I didn't speak French and I don't 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:23.880 live exactly inside of Paris, the town city that 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.019 I live in. No one speaks English, so. It was 00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:31.679 a long road. Now I speak French, but for years, 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.900 you know, every conversation was difficult. So 00:36:33.900 --> 00:36:35.480 I went straight to my journal, I went straight 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.320 to writing, and I realized there was a very clear 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:43.940 book coming out of me, a very clear message of 00:36:43.940 --> 00:36:47.659 share because I realized there are people that 00:36:47.659 --> 00:36:51.659 are scared of death. For a long time, I saw that 00:36:51.949 --> 00:36:54.670 My experience was a curse because I was no longer 00:36:54.670 --> 00:36:57.090 allowed to play sports again. I was no longer 00:36:57.090 --> 00:37:00.630 You know, there was so much that felt difficult 00:37:00.630 --> 00:37:04.429 about it at the time and now I realize what a 00:37:04.429 --> 00:37:08.650 gift it was especially since I got to come back 00:37:08.650 --> 00:37:14.309 and I think on the other side the one the ones 00:37:14.309 --> 00:37:16.909 of us that have passed our parents our grandparents 00:37:16.909 --> 00:37:20.369 are ancestors, you know, I think they're always 00:37:20.369 --> 00:37:23.570 kind of whispering in my ear saying, share, share, 00:37:23.730 --> 00:37:27.130 share. People need to know how lucky they are 00:37:27.130 --> 00:37:30.269 before their, I don't want to say before your 00:37:30.269 --> 00:37:34.949 time is up, but if we could have the opportunity 00:37:34.949 --> 00:37:37.929 to wake up to the beauty of life while we're 00:37:37.929 --> 00:37:42.510 still here, I truly believe, I mean, Eric, I 00:37:42.510 --> 00:37:44.489 don't know any other near -death experiences. 00:37:44.530 --> 00:37:48.670 I really haven't. I only know one person that 00:37:48.670 --> 00:37:52.090 came to me and shared in a yoga class that she 00:37:52.090 --> 00:37:54.670 had had a similar experience. But I know you 00:37:54.670 --> 00:37:59.250 know so many, so I may be off on this. But I 00:37:59.250 --> 00:38:01.650 think we all will have, you know, when we leave 00:38:01.650 --> 00:38:03.670 our body, it will be something similar, you know, 00:38:03.809 --> 00:38:06.829 going straight into pure love and seeing how 00:38:06.829 --> 00:38:10.590 beautiful everything is right now. But my question 00:38:10.590 --> 00:38:13.150 has been like, what if we can have that while 00:38:13.150 --> 00:38:16.099 we're alive? And so that's why I came out to 00:38:16.099 --> 00:38:18.079 share. That's why I'm writing my book. I have 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.420 a lot of art. Just talking about death and bringing 00:38:21.420 --> 00:38:25.679 death to the table because for me I kind of feel 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.039 like if we're not talking about death then we're 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.639 not truly living because it is a big piece of 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.639 life. And it's easier not to talk about. It makes 00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.420 everyone uncomfortable it seems around me and 00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:38.659 it makes me uncomfortable sometimes too and I 00:38:38.659 --> 00:38:41.800 get it. Like I'm terrified of losing my daughter 00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:45.019 and my husband. I have very vivid dreams and 00:38:45.019 --> 00:38:47.519 I dream about them dying and I am crippled the 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.880 next day so I get why it's hard to talk about. 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.800 For me, I know I have to share. I have to let 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.239 people who are interested know kind of what it 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.860 was like and sharing in a way of we travel a 00:39:01.860 --> 00:39:05.079 lot, we're getting ready to go to Japan on Sundays, 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.739 sharing it in a way as I would someone who's 00:39:08.739 --> 00:39:11.619 interested in a different country. It was very 00:39:11.619 --> 00:39:15.860 vivid and it lives with me every single day and 00:39:15.860 --> 00:39:18.900 I feel like until I fully get it out and share 00:39:18.900 --> 00:39:23.099 it I'm not quite complete. Yeah it's funny something 00:39:23.099 --> 00:39:26.539 that you mentioned a minute ago because I don't 00:39:26.539 --> 00:39:29.179 feel like this podcast is about death isn't that 00:39:29.179 --> 00:39:32.400 weird it's even in the title and I don't feel 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:36.099 like it's about death because well for the people 00:39:36.099 --> 00:39:39.199 that come on this podcast it was a very temporary 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.400 thing it was a quick death get a glimpse of the 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.340 other side, learn something, come back. Okay, 00:39:46.340 --> 00:39:50.280 let's talk about it. As someone just a couple 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.639 of days ago explained to me, their dying felt 00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.920 like just walking into another room. It was so 00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:01.760 simple and so easy. And we talk about life in 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:04.679 the fact that we have hope. Death is not an end. 00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:08.519 And so it doesn't need to be as scary of a thing 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:12.519 as we think. Sure, we're going to miss people 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:16.559 that have died. It's funny the old phrase, oh, 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.179 they're in a better place. You know, it just 00:40:19.179 --> 00:40:25.039 seems so trite. But it's so darn true. It just, 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:28.420 it just is. And those that we have loved and 00:40:28.420 --> 00:40:31.579 lost, we haven't, well, first of all, we haven't 00:40:31.579 --> 00:40:36.280 really lost. They really are in a great, great 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:39.599 place. and we really will be able to see them 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:45.019 again. And that's a beautiful thing. So, I don't 00:40:45.019 --> 00:40:47.679 know, maybe we should take death out of the whole 00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:52.340 terminology out of the equation here, but I digress. 00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.400 Why did you all of a sudden want to reach out 00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:00.920 and do this? And how'd you find us? I, the book 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.460 I was telling you, I'm almost finished writing 00:41:03.460 --> 00:41:06.900 it and I thought, okay, if I'm going to put this 00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:09.820 book out into the world. I should start talking 00:41:09.820 --> 00:41:12.400 about it. The book is about talking about death. 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:20.239 And so I just honestly did a little, like a two 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:23.940 minute research and your podcast came up and 00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:27.400 I had a good feeling. And so I sent you a message 00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.539 and you instantly responded. And I was like, 00:41:30.699 --> 00:41:36.820 okay, here we go. So it was people saying, Things 00:41:36.820 --> 00:41:39.679 that are aligned are simple. It was that simple. 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:48.179 It was really a heart -felt movement of reaching 00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:51.739 out. Well, I'm glad you did. It's been great 00:41:51.739 --> 00:41:54.219 getting to know you. Would you leave us with 00:41:54.219 --> 00:41:58.239 some kind of a message of hope today? Yeah, of 00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:05.329 course. To anyone listening, you are so... You're 00:42:05.329 --> 00:42:09.989 so powerful. You're so brilliant. You're so vibrant. 00:42:10.230 --> 00:42:13.670 You're so much more than you think you are. I 00:42:13.670 --> 00:42:17.610 think this morning I was with my three -year 00:42:17.610 --> 00:42:20.570 -old. They start school here in France at three, 00:42:20.869 --> 00:42:23.289 with all these kids from all around the world. 00:42:23.670 --> 00:42:26.409 And each of us, we have, you know, this beautiful 00:42:26.409 --> 00:42:30.090 gift of love and light and beauty. And we can 00:42:30.090 --> 00:42:34.840 get so stuck on what we're lacking. and we can 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.440 watch the news and get stuck in how terrible 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.639 the world is. Yes, there are a lot of things 00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:44.179 to make better, but I think as soon as we leave 00:42:44.179 --> 00:42:47.880 our bodies, we're going to see how amazing every 00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:51.500 little piece of life was. So the hope is that 00:42:51.500 --> 00:42:55.420 you are perfect just as you are and keep spreading 00:42:55.420 --> 00:42:57.739 your light and enjoy your time on earth because 00:42:57.739 --> 00:43:01.500 we are so truly lucky to be here. Like it is 00:43:01.500 --> 00:43:04.920 a paradise. Things happen, everything happens 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:09.539 for a reason, I believe. And all is love. All 00:43:09.539 --> 00:43:12.320 is love. It's the bottom line. All right, Kara, 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:17.510 thanks a lot. Thank you. Thanks again for listening 00:43:17.510 --> 00:43:19.949 and sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit 00:43:19.949 --> 00:43:22.769 the follow or subscribe button and sign up for 00:43:22.769 --> 00:43:25.650 our newsletter at roundtripdeath .com. 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