From the time that they pronounced me that was
a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then
they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I
could see people screaming and crying But I didn't
realize that was actually my physical body because
I was somewhere else The only thing that I could
feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace
there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was
greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back
home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.
Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody
and a very special warm welcome today to our
guest Kohila Sivas. I hope I pronounced that
right. Beautiful, perfect. Thank you. Kohila,
how are you doing today? I am always blessed
and I always live a blissful life. Well, and
we feel blessed to have you on. We've been trying
to coordinate this for a while, and I'm really
glad that it finally came together. There was
some kind of hand in that, I believe. Before
we jump in and talk about your near -death experience
and the many things that you've learned from
it, and how it's guided your life, would you
just give our listeners a little insight? Who's
Kohila? Kohila is someone who didn't stop. Creating
a path that works. I never settle. I've never
settled There were so many moments in my life.
I could have settled and said, you know what?
This is what life is Just give up just take it
for what it is. But no There's always another
path you can create and I've always created that
and it's been hard, but I don't give up She would
never give up. Kohila does not give up. You know,
it's funny that term settle because It can have
kind of negative connotations like oh he's settling
for that But also the old term of, you know,
settle down and do this and have this kind of
life has sort of a positive tone to it. How is
it for you? Yeah, I've settled in some areas.
I've settled with the husband. I settled to have
kids. I settled in many areas, but there are
things that you cannot settle. For example, I
was a teacher. I saw the system. I walked in
and I quickly walked out because I wasn't going
to settle. Right. There are things you can't
settle. Yeah. So when you say that, you mean
sort of settling for something lower than should
be where you're at or, or what you're worthy
of. That makes sense. How many children do you
have? I have one, one of my own and four, four
step kids. That's awesome. All right. Well, Without
further ado, I want to jump into it because I
have not heard your story yet. So I'm as excited
as anybody, but I know it was kind of a rough
one, too. So would you take us back to a younger
point in life and kind of lead up to, you know,
what was going on in your life that led to this?
Yeah, I was born in Sri Lanka. It's a small town,
small island underneath India. It's a separate
country. We had a war. The year I was born, my
dad lost everything. So we had a war that was
threatening everything in our life. So I grew
up very scared, always looking out for danger.
So eventually my dad left us, and then I was
growing up with my grandfather. So from my grandfather,
I learned that not always people will understand
you. You always have to be very graceful. and
give them space to learn about you. So I've got
that from him. He was always a person who did
that for me. And I learned that from him. And
then finally, one day my dad was able to bring
us to Canada. So I said goodbye to my grandparents,
but I was so young. I was six. I didn't even
hug them properly when I left. I just like, I'm
just going on a plane. I'll be back. So, but
that was my last time I was going to see them.
So I've never seen them after that. They died
in the war. So I came to Canada and it was...
It was a big difference from Sri Lanka. It's
not an easy move. You know, when I was not too
much older than that, I moved from a tropical
climate place to Utah with snow and all that
kind of stuff. Was that part of the adjustment?
Yeah, the cold was one. Culture, weather, everything?
Yes, I was just different. I was so different
from everybody else. So that's where I use what
my grandfather always taught me, right? Like
if people don't know you, give them space to
learn about you, right? So I said one day they
will, you know, people will know about me and
Kohila and her background, but right now they
don't. I'm the one who's visiting a new place,
so let's just learn to live in a new place. Unfortunately,
I didn't know the language. So there was a language
barrier. So at home, my parents also didn't speak
much English, but my dad losing everything. He
was very well off in Sri Lanka. He lost everything.
So he also became alcoholic. So our household
was not always a pleasant place to be. So I didn't
have anywhere to be safe as a young person. That
is way rough. I can't imagine that. So what did
that lead to? That led to me becoming very smart.
Talking to my brain and my brain and I became
so friendly that it would tell me things to do
and I listened to it very closely Because that's
the only partner I had because I can't talk to
my parents. I can't talk at school So first thing
you told me that you should mute yourself Because
if you mute yourself, nobody will know you don't
know English. I Said yeah, that sounds like a
great plan. You're absolutely right. So that's
exactly what I did at school as I muted myself
I don't talk to anybody. I was the shy girl who
doesn't you know, the quiet one who doesn't,
we don't need to bother her. She's fine. But
she wasn't fine. How often at this point in your
life do you look back and go, wow, I've come
so far? Every single day. Yeah. That's why I
said I live a blissful life. To be blissful,
you have to look that and say, wow, you made
it. All right. Well, keep going on this journey.
It's interesting. Muting myself gave me protection,
for sure, at school. Nobody bothered me. Everybody
left me alone. At home, it was very rough, and
my dad was very strict, and he wanted best for
all of us. But he just didn't know how to parent.
He just did it the way he knew. So it was always
rough and scary. So I started not enjoying being
at home. And my mom was always very scared of
my dad and very... respectful to him, even though
he didn't know how to parent us. So there was
a lot of gap between our relationship, right?
So it was just me growing up in a very empty,
empty inside, empty outside. Everything was empty.
There's nothing to be filled. So that's when
I, about 12 years, when I became 12, then my
brain and I were planning so many things. And
one of the things I planned with my brain's help
was to end my life because it was too hard. There's
no answers in my life. There was nothing living
for I didn't see into anything and then my household
was getting more and more Hostile for me to live
in so I decided that of course with the help
of my brain Giving me all the facts why I should
not live further. I decided to end my life at
the age of 12 Probably a good point to throw
out the crisis hotline if anybody is feeling
this Nearly every country around the world just
pick up your phone dial 9 -8 -8. There's somebody
there you can talk to Absolutely. So I keep saying
I was talking to my brain, right? That brain
we have is a very powerful machine It can bring
us so many so many information and present to
us as such a fact is so fact They look at it.
You should end you like because of this reason
this reason so the next day I'm in the hospital
I wake up Obviously, I ended my life. I survived.
I wake up and my brain's talking to me again,
but not in the same way it talked to me the day
before. It's telling me, why did you do this?
Well, how can you do this? Look at your parents.
Look at this. I mean, look at your life. You
could have done this and that. I'm like, excuse
me, who are you? Yesterday, you were validating
why I shouldn't be here. today you're telling
me all these reasons why I what I did is wrong
like who is this person like it betrayed me my
brain betrayed me that's the worst it can ever
happen to somebody right I mean only friend I
had was my brain it's telling me right opposite
to everything you told me the day before that
was the first time I felt the power of how the
brain can manipulate and manipulate us and make
it believe that it controls us. I mean, at that
12 years old, I didn't really have all the puzzles.
Now, how I use my methodology to coach others
and help others, I know our brain doesn't own
us. We own it. As long as we own it, we can get
it to do whatever we want. And that's what I
did afterwards. I'm like, oh, hold on a second.
You actually can talk whichever way you want
to talk. You're really not that powerful. I am
powerful. I can manipulate you just like you
manipulated me right now. I like it. So I started
playing games with my brain. I'm like, okay,
you tell me that I'm going to ask you more questions.
Tell me more, right? Tell me more. All right,
we're going to circle back to this whole brain
thing. First, I want to hear more about the near
-death experience itself. Did you have some kind
of a spiritual awakening or out -of -body experience
or anything like that? At the time when I did
meet somebody in my hotel hospital, somebody
came and talked to me. I didn't see that person
afterwards. Like, I don't know who it was. The
person came to me, felt Almost looked like a
doctor, but I was searching for that doctor later
on I couldn't see that same doctor ever again
Right. I don't say this to people because people
might think I'm crazy But what I what they told
me was you need to rest and you have a purpose
You need to rest and you have a purpose and I
was looking Afterwards for this doctor that told
me this and they were dressed in the doctor outfit,
but the doctor came after would never looked
like that person What do you make of that? Was
that a real person? Was that a vision of something?
What was that? That was because I believe in
God. That's the visit from God telling me you
do have a purpose. And I think I execute that
purpose to this day. I do believe the purpose
was given to me on that day. And even though
I didn't know exactly what it was, because until
32, I really was struggling. continue to struggle
because, you know, maybe working through my brain,
I was doing things. As I said, I always create
a path and move forward. I was doing it, but
until I was 32, I didn't get my rebirth. I had
a rebirth at 32 where I knew this is my purpose
and nothing will stop me kind of. Right. But
I know that day was given to me, but I didn't
own it until I was 32. Okay. When we refer to
near -death experiences, a lot of people that
I've talked to have had one of those, you know,
clinically dead, gone to the light kind of thing,
saw heaven kind of thing. Did you have anything
like that happen at all or was it just this experience
with the doctor? But the doctor, when he came
in, it was very different. The world was different,
like the environment was different, right? Like
I was out of it, so I can't really tell what
was happening, but all I know is that that person
who said all those words was never to be found.
That's why I know, because I was searching for
that person. I wanted them to tell me more stuff
because what they said resonated so much to me
at that time. I was looking with them and they
never came back. And that's why I know it was
different. That was the, that's how I felt. I
didn't feel any lights. I just feel like where
did that person go? That was my question And
when you use the term environment, what do you
mean by that? Did the room seem different or
yeah? It shifted explain So the room may come
very cloudy. It was very cloudy And uh, I couldn't
see beyond the person that was talking to the
doctor. I couldn't see anything beyond him It
was just me and him and that's it In this in
this it's almost like a smoke but not over him
or anything, just behind him and everything.
I couldn't see anything further than him. It
was just the one image of that person and me,
and that person's telling me. Was anything else
said? Did you ask him anything? At that time,
at 12, I never spoke to people. I was very quiet.
I muted for myself most of the time, so I was
just receiving it. I'm like, okay. All right,
I promised we would circle back you were talking
about the conversation with your brain Let's
get back into that. Where did that go? Where
did it take you? Oh, it took me so far ahead
in life, right? So first time I started speaking
back to my brain I never listened anything after
that betrayal from my brain. I never listened
to it anytime. It says something I'm like, okay,
tell me more. Tell me the facts What else you
got to say to me and I always override it. I'm
like, no, I don't think I'm gonna do that I'm
gonna do it this way And then it'll jump and
say, oh, so many things. I'm like, yeah, shut
up. I don't care. But you've got to say, I'm
doing it this way. So I always started overriding
it, because I was almost mad, because that was
the only friendship I had. So I'm not going to
do what you say. The first time I started really
implementing my brain and my power and all of
that was in math. I went really into math and
used math as a therapy during my coming back
into life. That's what I used as a therapy to
really build my confidence because in life I
couldn't solve any problems. But in math, I would
always get answers if I spend time and if I solve
something, I can solve it. So that's how I became
really excited about, OK, I can actually get
something done in life. I can accomplish something.
So talking to my brain and with the help of math
as a therapy. I became really good at that. And
that's what I wanted to share with others. You
know, when I left school, I'm like, let's become
a teacher and share this with others. And that's
why I went into teaching because I wanted to
help students like me who were quiet, who go
unnoticed in the classrooms, right? I can really
connect with them because I have that happen
to me. So I'm like, okay, I can do, and I can
also share the math, which becomes the therapy.
So it kind of have to edge to it. So I was excited,
but in the school system, I couldn't really get
to the people I wanted to get to. So where did
this lead you in life? Yeah, after that I started
my own business. As I said, I created my path.
They said, you know what, the school's not working.
Let's start a tutoring business. There I also
got stuff with people coming to buy marks, like
they wanted me to work for their marks. that
didn't sit with me well. I wanted to create really
motivated, intrinsic, hungry people to learn,
right? I wanted them to be curious about math
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for details. So that's how I started changing
it. You know what? You don't need math help.
You actually need how to learn and how the biological
system work and how to unblock yourself. And
that's how I created my methodology and started
coaching kids. So when I coach them, They don't
need math help people came to me for math help.
They don't need math help They needed help on
blocking themselves first like I was when I was
young, right? I was blocked. Everybody said learn
English learn math I couldn't learn anything
until I was In flow because the state has to
be in flow in order for you to learn anything,
right? That sounds easy I'm being sarcastic and
we're off in this direction. I'm happy to follow
it How do people do that? How do people get that
flow? You can't chase it. It's not something
you chase. You really need to come home to yourself
first. Come home in here first. Your soul, right?
I call it soul print biology. We have systems
working for us and working against us. We need
to know what those systems are. You have to become
in tune with your body. And most of us are not
in tune. We're not home. We're all out here.
right? Majority of us these days, we're all out
there. We're always looking for external things
to help us, but those don't land if you're not
home yet. So how do we do it? That's understanding
yourself. Talking to your brain is one way, because
if your brain is telling everything is out there,
you're not going to look inward. It's looking
inward, talking to your brain, looking at, OK,
what's happening to me? What have I done? And
also sometimes a lot of us get into the trap
of blaming, right? We always say this is happening.
That's why I'm like this. This person did this.
That's why I'm like this. Right. So that's another
part to look at is where are we spending our
time, diverting our attention to? And am I looking
at this? Person as a biological system. I could
be blocked and where am I blocked? So the understanding
of yourself is so important, right? All right.
I'm just letting it sink in for a minute No problem.
I've always felt like any kind of You can calm
spiritual experiences, whatever you want to like
nd ease They have a purpose. They're here to
teach us something, maybe point us in a direction,
maybe give us some kind of a mission in life.
They're not just here for our entertainment purposes.
What do you feel like you got from that as far
as direction for your life? Patience with yourself.
As I said, coming home to yourself, loving yourself.
We're always looking for other people or other
other places to be loved but first step is to
love yourself and respect yourself You know,
we always say others don't respect me, but not
true. Do you respect yourself? So now my conversation
since then is all about What am I doing? Not
what others are doing So when I have what am
I doing and what could I do? The control always
lies in me like right now. There's so many chaos
in the world None of that bothers me because
what am I going to do? In this world, right?
It's always the question is what am I doing?
Instead of what other people can do, right? Uh
the old blame game can't be my fault must be
somebody else's fault Yeah, we need to get past
that So this set you down a path in life. Did
you feel like it gave you some kind of a? Mission
or purpose. I mean you talked about math Let's
go back a little bit. This happened when you
were 12. How did it change you at the age of
13, 14, 15? Confidence. I had a confidence that
I need to be here. After that, the question was,
and I'm not going to be here. It was question
of, how am I going to figure out to live in this
world? Because all of the other, before the 12
year old incident, I was always planning how
to get out. After that, how am I going to be
here? Is the planning and what am I going to
do? to live here, right? That planning changed.
And then the gifts that were given to me, when
I call it purpose, the gift was mastering the
mind, was what I learned that day, was how to
master the mind. The mind doesn't own you, you
own it. You can maneuver the mind any way you
want. And it's all in your hands. No one else
is going to come and save you. If you are able
to save yourself and move yourself forward, it's
in your hand. Others are there to support you,
but they're not going to save you. You need to
save yourself. Like that internal core confidence
gave me that I need to share this with others.
I have to share this with others. I have to help
students who think they're stuck in math to know
that you're not stuck in math. Math is a skill.
It's a skill anybody can learn it anybody can
teach it to you and you can learn it But why
you're not good at math and why you're not learning
the skills and you're being blocked That's an
internal state that I can help you unblock and
get you into flow that I can teach you When I
do that, they became intrinsically motivated
and responsible and accountable to their own
learning and they loved math They would say I
hate math too. I love math Right, it's it's different
now if you love something you're gonna do beautiful
rest of your life with it So that's how I helped
my students to move and then they would always
come back My students would come back to me and
say, you know, whatever you helped me in math
it transcended in all parts of my life I feel
capable in all parts of my life is I didn't help
them with math. I'll help them with their inner
core to have that confidence that anything I
put my mind to it and I control my mind to it,
I can achieve it. And it's in my hand. I don't
have to look outside and say, because of that,
because of this, because of this, I'm this way.
It's amazing how much one, oh, I hate to even
call it a little experience, but the little experience
that you had there in the hospital. Wow. Talk
about changes and at such a young age. This whole
thing about teaching confidence and flow and
this kind of stuff and we're not going to spend
too much more time on it. But do you have an
example? I know you can't give us a whole crash
course right now, but do you have an example
of maybe one person that you've worked with?
I will give you our latest, latest, greatest
story. So we had a coach started working with
the family. They had a son who'd been kicked
out of school. He was 10 years old, on five different
medications, and he is not accepted in a lot
of different schools. They put him in a private
school. Holes in the walls, daily, you know,
different things can happen, unpredictable behaviors.
Our coach enters the scene, because now I certified
coaches under this methodology for the past.
past five years, I have over 300 people under
this methodology working with different families
and adults. So when my coach entered the scene,
he was telling her, like when he met with her,
he couldn't even sit, he was all over the place
and showing her the middle finger and all that
stuff, right? Beyond that, we looked, that's
one thing we look is beyond, everyone will see
that as a behavior and shut down, but we don't
see that as a behavior. We see as a system, a
living system in distress. That's the different
compassion lens that we put on as coaches, our
coaches, right? My coaches, that's what we put
on. So whenever he shows middle finger, it's
not a big deal. He can do whatever he want. It's
not going to make me want to do anything else
other than know you even more. We get closer
to him, right? So he is now, after her working
with him for less than nine months, he is now
an example for his whole class. He's off of all
his medication. Not because we told him to, the
doctor he saw saw a difference in him and he
no longer is on any medication. There's no holes
in their walls, in their house. The parents are
so relaxed before they were always on guard,
something. So when the coach met him, she asked
him what's going on. He said, I am a cuckoo.
I am a cuckoo. Right? That's what his identity
was. I'm cuckoo. Everybody thinks I'm a cuckoo
and I am a cuckoo. He owned it. So I behave like
a cuckoo. These are his words, right? So then
she later asked, who are you to this boy? He
said his name and he said, you know, is there
anything that you feel like, you know, you're
like, you know, you're struggling or anything
that you said? I think I'm struggling a little
bit with math before he would say I'm cuckoo.
Obviously I'm a cuckoo, right? But now he said
I'm struggling with math. Now he has turned his
identity into some skill that he can pick up.
versus I am, rest of my life, a cuckoo person.
It is a different spectrum of confidence in him.
So he's now flourishing in his classroom, and
every teacher loves to have him as a role model
in his classroom. And we got teachers writing
us some emails back saying, thank you for making
him an example of our class now. And that's less
than nine months into it. That just happened,
so that's why I'm sharing it. And these are the
changes we make we we don't make great change.
We don't get the grades to change We get the
person to transform and then transcend all of
that into every parts of their life, right? So
the grades become a byproduct of it Okay All
right. And if people want to learn more about
this, we'll get a website down on the show notes
so they can find it This show is all about hope
and leaving people with a message of hope What
you've already done, and I appreciate, for people
that have had a near -death experience that may
not seem like this big grandiose thing like some
people hear about, going off to the light and
seeing heaven and all this really awesome stuff,
lots of them aren't that way. And the ones that
are more simple, Like what happened to you probably
don't get talked about near enough, but they're
obviously just as life changing because your
life really changed. Can you give us a little
bit more? Just dig a little bit deeper on either
what happened to you or how you changed or something
along those lines that's going to lead us back
to this message of hope for people. Yeah. Hope
was lost. Days leading up to it. I lost all hope
because We do things like that because we don't
see a way out right? Anyone who's kind to get
to that point of level of you know exiting your
own life is when we don't feel any doors opening
for us anymore. It's all closed, all closed,
all closed. And that's where your brain comes
in to tell you, yeah, it's closed. Yeah, well,
of course that's also closed. Of course, this
one's also closed. Your brain just validates
everything you think about at that time. And
that's how crazy it is, right? One of the hope
I want to leave today is how you own the brain.
Don't allow your brain to tell you crap. Like
all day long before I did it, it was telling
me so much crap that That's what pushed me. That's
what pushed me to the edge the crap that I listened
to and then the next day I wake up and it has
the All this thing to tell me the opposite. I'm
like, would you even come up with this stuff?
I was so destroyed so destroyed and then Sitting
with those tears and going through that emotion
of how can you lie to me like that? You're telling
me all of this. Why didn't you tell me yesterday?
Why didn't you tell me yesterday if you had all
these ideas I could try I had all these stores
extra doors that I could have opened It's telling
me the next day telling me how wonderful life
could be you couldn't have told me that yesterday
this is what I want the anybody listening to
me to understand about your brain is if you don't
question it if I had the you know, knowledge
to question a day before, I wouldn't have done
it. I wouldn't have done it. But I didn't. I
completely listened to all this crap. It's telling
me how little I am, how stupid I am, how everybody
thinks I'm stupid, how everything is going to
go wrong. You're not capable for life. All of
this. And the next day, it's telling me the right
opposite. So why couldn't I have that conversation
the day before? And I didn't have to go through
any of this, right? Well, that's just about what
I was going to ask is how do people know when
we're being lied to by that self -talk? It's
so on the it's a lie when it's all matching Like
it's like you think and they bring some supporting
you Constant support it is no there's no friction
in your in your conversation with that brain.
There's no friction It's always like yeah. Yeah,
it's validating. Yeah, sure. It tells you other
information to validate even further Do you see
what I mean? Whatever I'm saying to it. It's
gonna validate with more things that makes it
yeah, it's building a case With me and the case
is never it has any friction It's always validated
that but in that building the case we can be
a cross examiner and ask hold on a second Why
would you say that? Hold on a second. Will you
just told me that my mom hates me and I should
in my life Well, how do you know my mom hates
me? She doesn't love me like No, no, like never
in her life she loved me. Like, why does she
have me? Like I didn't ever cross -examined my
brain. I just said, okay, yep, that's valid.
Yep. That's also valid. That's great. Yeah. I
understand that too, right? So it's that conversation
if we can have with our brain. That's what I
do now is I never believe my brain. If it says
something, there's going to be a lot of cross
-examination like a lawyer would. So it has to
produce a case and we have to have an argument.
And then Then I can make a decision on it. It's
an argument That's cool. But doesn't your brain
ever tell you positive things too that you don't
need to argue with it can but not when you're
In a state like I was or someone was listening
if they're in a state of that right thinking
about you know what my life is, you know when
we're in a In a negative negative zone in our
life or something negative is happening to us.
Yeah, it doesn't have that effect. It's usually
is negative, pretty negative. And it comes up
with more negative. So at the hospital, when
I woke up, you know, it was very scary, right?
Because when you've done something like that,
and you were supposed to go and you haven't gone,
it is scary to face every single person in your
life again. And to see life again, and you're
going to try again, was hard. So that's why I
explained to you earlier, that one doctor who
came to visit me, All he needed to say to me
was a few words and two words that I still remember
to this day is, you need to rest. So I guess
two sentences, you need to rest and you have
a purpose. So these were the things given to
me. I hold this hand like this. It was almost
like I was given like this and I took it. I took
it. And that was coming home to myself again.
because I lost it previous to that, right? So
that was me bringing back that life to me. And
from that day on, I carried that I have a purpose,
but I didn't know what it is. So sometimes when
you come out of these things, it's not right
away, it's going to be clear and for the path
is like opened for you. You have to go through
life and trials to what that purpose is for you.
Right? It took me a long time to have this clarity.
Now I know, now I know it's to deliver this.
the message from my brain that I've learned,
as well as to serve to 1 .5 billion humans by
2035, ending the suffering because we don't need
to suffer. We are suffering because we created
education system on the assumption that we should
all be coming into that building ready to learn.
But we don't have a switch to turn on and go
and learn. We're a biological system bombarded
with so many variables. I don't just turn on
and say, I'm ready. Teach me now. It doesn't
work that way. So until we learn to respect the
human as a human We have built an education system
that has Caused all of our pain and suffering
including adults who are in the world right now
because they are all all product of the same
system We're all we all are We're the problem
children. I got you All of all of us it's not
just you it's me it's everybody because we had
the assumption that we should have a switch turn
on and learn and that's how you should live life.
Well it wasn't that easy and i remember some
teachers they knew how to get through to me and
some did not. Therefore the subject that that
teacher was teaching i must be bad at right.
History teacher doesn't know how to get through
to me. It's all boring. Therefore, I don't like
history. I love history now. I wish I would have
back then. A teacher can make a break. Yeah.
I had a very, very good teacher who actually
who broke my silence at school because I told
you earlier that I muted myself, right? One day
this teacher looked into my eyes and said, Kohila,
I know you can speak. Just speak. That's all
she needed to do. And I started speaking. That
was the first day I spoke at school. And then
ever since then, I started speaking again. So
there are teachers who are born to bring that
for others, right? And there are teachers who
bring things out of you and leave you empty too,
so. All right. Well, I appreciate all the wisdom
and advice and we have a lot to let just kind
of sink in, right? from a lot of the things that
you've said, so I appreciate it very much. And
it all started with a simple NDE. Kohila, I appreciate
it. Thank you for being with me today. Thank
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