WEBVTT 00:00:01.380 --> 00:00:06.700 Since the dawn of time, man's deepest questions 00:00:06.700 --> 00:00:11.359 have revolved around the reality of an afterlife. 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:16.199 Of course, there's never been a way to know until 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:21.739 now. Witnesses of the world beyond, hope in a 00:00:21.739 --> 00:00:26.079 better existence, overwhelming, unconditional 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:32.130 love, real people, real experiences and a glimpse 00:00:32.130 --> 00:00:38.130 into the eternities. This is Round Trip Death. 00:00:42.350 --> 00:00:44.329 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody 00:00:44.329 --> 00:00:47.590 and we have a fun guest coming to us today. All 00:00:47.590 --> 00:00:50.090 the way from Northern California, Trent John 00:00:50.090 --> 00:00:52.189 Miller. How are you Trent? Good morning Noah, 00:00:52.289 --> 00:00:54.939 I'm doing great, thank you. I appreciate you 00:00:54.939 --> 00:00:57.820 being on the show. You've had an amazing experience 00:00:57.820 --> 00:00:59.799 that people are going to love hearing about. 00:01:00.659 --> 00:01:03.880 Before we jump into it, let's let people get 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:06.879 to know who you are. So give us a couple of minutes 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.540 on your background. Okay, awesome. Kind of a 00:01:09.540 --> 00:01:13.239 mid -rostering transplant. I enjoyed being outdoors, 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:15.900 hanging out with my friends. I was very athletic, 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.400 involved in swimming, lifeguard, all that. A 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:22.459 swimming instructor. I at one point in my life 00:01:22.459 --> 00:01:24.799 got involved in the film industry and that's 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:26.739 an interesting story in itself and I'll be sure 00:01:26.739 --> 00:01:30.400 to bring that up. But all in all, I'm just a 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.319 fun -loving guy and now California good and that's 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:39.060 about it. You're being very modest. 30 plus years 00:01:39.060 --> 00:01:41.060 in the film industry you've been in front of 00:01:41.060 --> 00:01:45.000 the camera a lot. Your IMDB looks pretty cool 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:48.159 and that's another time for a whole other podcast 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.969 though. Give me an idea, how long ago was it 00:01:51.969 --> 00:01:54.689 that your NDE happened and what led up to it? 00:01:55.469 --> 00:01:58.590 It was about 20 years ago, almost exactly really, 00:01:58.689 --> 00:02:03.689 2000. I had some interesting premonitions right 00:02:03.689 --> 00:02:07.549 prior to the accident itself. One thing was waking 00:02:07.549 --> 00:02:11.210 up from a dream, a very clear dream of running 00:02:11.210 --> 00:02:14.909 into a white wall. And I remember waking up and 00:02:14.909 --> 00:02:17.310 saying, I'm going to live. And I knew I was going 00:02:17.310 --> 00:02:20.939 to live. but I realized that my DNA was scrambled 00:02:20.939 --> 00:02:24.539 and that I was going to be somewhat of a different 00:02:24.539 --> 00:02:28.539 person. That later came into fruition and there 00:02:28.539 --> 00:02:30.819 are other things, premonitions that I had when 00:02:30.819 --> 00:02:33.419 I was younger and things that as I led up to 00:02:33.419 --> 00:02:37.780 the actual accident, they now make sense. Why 00:02:37.780 --> 00:02:40.539 do you think you had a premonition? Did it somehow 00:02:40.539 --> 00:02:44.770 help you through the experience? Yeah, in a way 00:02:44.770 --> 00:02:49.330 it kind of in reverse it helped explain what 00:02:49.330 --> 00:02:53.870 I was experiencing and why I was going through 00:02:53.870 --> 00:02:57.490 some of the unusual steps in the process after 00:02:57.490 --> 00:03:00.030 a near -death experience. There were even times 00:03:00.030 --> 00:03:03.469 where I was living my life in reverse where I 00:03:03.469 --> 00:03:07.569 had already been provided insight into my future 00:03:07.569 --> 00:03:11.129 with clarity and then being able to relive it 00:03:11.129 --> 00:03:14.990 in the physical world. that people distinguish 00:03:14.990 --> 00:03:18.770 as maybe daydreaming or dreams, premonitions. 00:03:19.550 --> 00:03:22.389 In a lot of cases, sometimes there's more behind 00:03:22.389 --> 00:03:25.050 those than just a possibility. Sometimes they 00:03:25.050 --> 00:03:28.509 become a reality. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry that 00:03:28.509 --> 00:03:32.009 yours did, I guess, because it sounded pretty 00:03:32.009 --> 00:03:34.330 horrific. Tell us what happened with the truck. 00:03:35.150 --> 00:03:37.509 Well, the day started off great. We had been 00:03:37.509 --> 00:03:40.289 filming out in the desert. This is at Stu Siegel 00:03:40.289 --> 00:03:43.169 Productions on Ruffin Road. And it was a career 00:03:43.169 --> 00:03:47.069 choice to be there because I really enjoyed working 00:03:47.069 --> 00:03:50.810 as a body double, stand in actor and stuntman. 00:03:51.370 --> 00:03:53.590 And every day was different. You never know what 00:03:53.590 --> 00:03:55.830 to expect, especially even when you know on the 00:03:55.830 --> 00:03:59.449 call sheet what you're going to be doing. Actors 00:03:59.449 --> 00:04:02.090 sometimes wouldn't show up or stuntmen wouldn't 00:04:02.090 --> 00:04:05.689 show up. And I was always the go to guy for for 00:04:05.689 --> 00:04:08.210 the show. And I never know when I was going to 00:04:08.210 --> 00:04:12.360 either be shot at or shoot at somebody or crash 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:16.360 a car or jump in, roll a wig and jump off a roof 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:19.319 and fight somebody. You know, always in an adrenaline 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.000 rush and that I was able to do it for 30 years 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.180 really made it exciting that every day was always 00:04:25.180 --> 00:04:28.259 a gift and something to be truly appreciated. 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:32.639 It really wasn't to have happened being in Ohio 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:35.199 because there was just no filming there. And 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:37.720 I was given the opportunity from another Eric, 00:04:37.740 --> 00:04:41.879 Eric Chabot. who was going to school in San Diego, 00:04:42.459 --> 00:04:46.500 and he allowed me the opportunity to go out to 00:04:46.500 --> 00:04:49.759 California. He invited me to stay with him to 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:52.759 get my footing. I had always wanted to be out 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.379 there by the ocean, out by the beach, and enjoying 00:04:55.379 --> 00:04:58.040 the beautiful weather that California's known 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.000 for, and also the excitement of being in the 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:05.089 film industry. As not to jump... too far back, 00:05:05.149 --> 00:05:07.509 but I would have never gotten into the film industry 00:05:07.509 --> 00:05:10.410 if it wasn't for a really kind down in Kim that 00:05:10.410 --> 00:05:13.850 I was dating at the time who wanted to be a model. 00:05:14.170 --> 00:05:16.589 And she had set up an appointment with Betty 00:05:16.589 --> 00:05:20.350 McCormick and it was a creative talent management 00:05:20.350 --> 00:05:23.509 in Columbus, Ohio. So I said, I'll drive you. 00:05:23.970 --> 00:05:27.389 And I had a trans am at the time, a fibered formula 00:05:27.389 --> 00:05:31.009 and drove to drove her to the to this audition. 00:05:31.009 --> 00:05:33.860 And when I got there, Betty says, is this the 00:05:33.860 --> 00:05:37.100 young man? And I said, oh, no, no, no. This is 00:05:37.100 --> 00:05:39.819 for Kim. And Kim said, well, I kind of pulled 00:05:39.819 --> 00:05:42.540 a fast one on you, John. This is for you. I think 00:05:42.540 --> 00:05:46.120 you should be modeling and acting. And I told 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:48.579 her, absolutely not. That's not a career choice 00:05:48.579 --> 00:05:51.600 for me. And Betty immediately said, well, how 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:55.420 does $1 ,500 a day sound, John? And my jaw kind 00:05:55.420 --> 00:05:58.500 of opened up and I went, well. that I could get 00:05:58.500 --> 00:06:01.120 the new headers on my Firebird and I had all 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:03.560 these ideas and plans. And I'm like, yeah, I 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:05.500 could do this. So she said, well, we'll just 00:06:05.500 --> 00:06:07.500 get a headshot and I'll send you to auditions. 00:06:07.579 --> 00:06:09.860 It's that simple. Well, I did that. And pretty 00:06:09.860 --> 00:06:12.279 soon I'm doing Burger King commercials and I'm 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:15.379 doing commercials for Shell Oil and Lazarus, 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.100 which was a local department store. And every 00:06:18.100 --> 00:06:20.639 time I'd show up at the audition, I would get 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:24.500 the job. And so doors were opening, unconventionally 00:06:24.500 --> 00:06:26.949 were opening for me. left and right. And I found 00:06:26.949 --> 00:06:28.970 that kind of interesting where you're always 00:06:28.970 --> 00:06:31.649 battling it out in an audition. And it seemed 00:06:31.649 --> 00:06:34.509 like every time if I just showed up, I got the 00:06:34.509 --> 00:06:37.209 job. Getting back to Eric and him inviting me 00:06:37.209 --> 00:06:40.069 out to California, I didn't really have a lot 00:06:40.069 --> 00:06:43.910 of money to make this move to California, but 00:06:43.910 --> 00:06:47.129 I kind of sold everything and I had a bug convertible 00:06:47.129 --> 00:06:50.189 at the time. And I put together a meager amount, 00:06:50.290 --> 00:06:56.720 $452, $51 in my pocket. and prepared to make 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:59.199 the drive. Most people were laughing at me. My 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.279 friends were making fun of me and my family. 00:07:01.980 --> 00:07:03.720 And you're not even going to make it, let alone 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.540 survive in California. But I was really determined 00:07:06.540 --> 00:07:10.319 to make this happen. So I drove out. I was working 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:14.180 at a record store at the time as a manager. And 00:07:14.180 --> 00:07:18.920 I had to let the owner know that I was going 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:22.120 to walk away. I started the journey. I knew that 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:25.300 time was not in my favor. So I needed to get 00:07:25.300 --> 00:07:28.379 to California as soon as possible and start working 00:07:28.379 --> 00:07:31.279 as soon as possible. I drove out. It kind of 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:33.060 went pretty good. There was a problem in the 00:07:33.060 --> 00:07:35.279 desert. My bug overheated and I had to pull over 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:38.160 by a cactus and hide and shade until it cooled 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.439 down that night. But I did make it the following 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:44.100 day into San Diego and met up with Eric. And 00:07:44.100 --> 00:07:47.519 I mean, they went to a mall bullocks men's store 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.500 in San Diego. There's a. department store and 00:07:51.500 --> 00:07:55.459 got a job as a men's clothing salesman. So at 00:07:55.459 --> 00:07:59.180 least I had a job there to get started. And the 00:07:59.180 --> 00:08:02.500 following day I drove out to Stu Siegel Productions 00:08:02.500 --> 00:08:06.379 on Ruffin Road and they had a casting and I told 00:08:06.379 --> 00:08:09.040 them that I'd like to be in film. And in most 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:10.800 cases they would just laugh at you because I 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.860 had no resume other than some of the commercials 00:08:12.860 --> 00:08:16.660 I did in Ohio. The casting agent there I said, 00:08:16.740 --> 00:08:19.540 hey, you look a lot like Anthony Perkins. He's 00:08:19.540 --> 00:08:23.139 the gentleman from Psycho. He needs a body double 00:08:23.139 --> 00:08:26.060 for Monday and I need you to be there if you 00:08:26.060 --> 00:08:29.220 can start and be his body double. And I thought, 00:08:29.259 --> 00:08:31.079 oh my gosh, I'll leg up. And I didn't even know 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.139 what a body double was, but I said, yeah, I will 00:08:33.139 --> 00:08:35.259 be there and I'll do it. So I showed up early 00:08:35.259 --> 00:08:39.279 that day and we filmed at the same bar that Top 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.740 Gun was filmed at, all the bar scenes. And it 00:08:42.740 --> 00:08:44.620 was so interesting to be there around the camera 00:08:44.620 --> 00:08:46.860 and all the equipment and the people and the 00:08:46.860 --> 00:08:50.000 actors. I was so excited. I was hooked. And I 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.399 knew that, you know, this was going to be like 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:55.879 a short term, month long opportunity. And I wanted 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:57.840 to make as many friends as possible. So I always 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.480 showed up early. I was willing to help everybody 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:05.139 and did so. I'd help pull cable. I'd help with 00:09:05.139 --> 00:09:07.799 the camera crew and haul the big lens packages, 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:12.169 whatever it took. Made my friends. And long story 00:09:12.169 --> 00:09:14.909 short, I ended up parlaying that opportunity 00:09:14.909 --> 00:09:19.110 into a 30 -year career. I'm very lucky to have 00:09:19.110 --> 00:09:21.750 enjoyed an extended career working with some 00:09:21.750 --> 00:09:24.429 of the biggest names like Burt Reynolds and Chuck 00:09:24.429 --> 00:09:27.490 Norris. I got to fight with him in a movie called 00:09:27.490 --> 00:09:31.070 Top Dog. Burt Reynolds, Jerry Lewis, Rick Springfield. 00:09:31.070 --> 00:09:34.950 I was his body double. Rob Estes on Silk Stockings. 00:09:35.090 --> 00:09:37.309 That was a great group of individuals to work 00:09:37.309 --> 00:09:41.220 with. Pensacola, High Tide. All these shows were 00:09:41.220 --> 00:09:44.600 shows that were filmed at the studio. And so 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:46.820 we were filming on this show called Manhattan 00:09:46.820 --> 00:09:49.379 Maze. And we had spent the week in the desert. 00:09:49.460 --> 00:09:52.000 We were back at the studio this day. And we had 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.559 a whole bunch of animals that were being filmed 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:57.200 inside the studio, including a large elephant, 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:00.019 which was never that's the largest pachyderm 00:10:00.019 --> 00:10:02.399 largest animal living soul that had ever gone 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:04.600 in the studio. And I happened to catch a photo 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:08.470 of the elephant exiting. through the extras or 00:10:08.470 --> 00:10:11.929 the stage front and took a photograph which ended 00:10:11.929 --> 00:10:15.730 up being used for the studios advertising. And 00:10:15.730 --> 00:10:19.450 I was awful proud of that. So we get about a 00:10:19.450 --> 00:10:22.509 45 minute, for me 45 minute break, the whole 00:10:22.509 --> 00:10:26.649 crew gets an hour, but I need to be back a couple 00:10:26.649 --> 00:10:28.269 of minutes early to work with the camera crew 00:10:28.269 --> 00:10:30.929 to set up for the next shot, for the next scene. 00:10:31.309 --> 00:10:33.809 And this was a Friday right before 4th of July 00:10:33.809 --> 00:10:36.889 weekend. So I went out for a jog. I had my check 00:10:36.889 --> 00:10:39.870 in my pocket. I took off my shirt and I was a 00:10:39.870 --> 00:10:43.769 bodybuilder, so I wasn't bashful. And I did think 00:10:43.769 --> 00:10:46.149 it was just wearing my shorts and my tennis shoes. 00:10:46.169 --> 00:10:48.210 And I started to go for my run down to Claremont 00:10:48.210 --> 00:10:50.870 Mesa Boulevard and Ruffin Road. And at this time, 00:10:50.970 --> 00:10:52.750 there was no stoplights. Well, there was stoplights, 00:10:52.789 --> 00:10:55.450 but there was no traffic lights to allow you 00:10:55.450 --> 00:10:57.809 to cross at a safe point. You just pretty much 00:10:57.809 --> 00:11:01.210 made a beeline and hopefully nothing hits you. 00:11:01.389 --> 00:11:03.960 The weekend before 4th of July was I'm awful 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:08.299 busy. So I'm going to make the move and I stopped 00:11:08.299 --> 00:11:10.299 and I went back and I'm, okay, hold on a minute. 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.340 And I'm looking at the light and this Honda Accord 00:11:13.340 --> 00:11:15.039 pulls up with a bunch of young kids having a 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.059 blast inside and they put their food all over 00:11:17.059 --> 00:11:20.220 the dash. I could see glasses and cups and straws. 00:11:20.740 --> 00:11:22.200 And I'm thinking these people aren't even looking 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:25.419 over to see I'm gonna go behind them just outside 00:11:25.419 --> 00:11:29.159 the crosswalk and continue my walk. And as I 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:31.860 did that, I noticed a flash out of the corner 00:11:31.860 --> 00:11:35.909 of my left eye. and a white Ford pickup truck 00:11:35.909 --> 00:11:39.490 struck me going about 40 miles an hour and my 00:11:39.490 --> 00:11:43.629 body went through the windshield, my face lacerating. 00:11:44.110 --> 00:11:47.730 I had never been hit so hard and that is where 00:11:47.730 --> 00:11:51.009 I understand where the premonition of being hit 00:11:51.009 --> 00:11:53.610 by a white wall came into play because it was 00:11:53.610 --> 00:11:57.730 a white truck. It was a wall of energy and It 00:11:57.730 --> 00:12:00.129 did scramble me. It scrambled me so much. I went 00:12:00.129 --> 00:12:01.929 flying through the air, through the intersection. 00:12:02.230 --> 00:12:05.490 People that were there, the witnesses and the 00:12:05.490 --> 00:12:08.269 police reports said that I went flying about 00:12:08.269 --> 00:12:11.289 20 feet in the air. And as I was flying through 00:12:11.289 --> 00:12:14.870 the air, I was just above the middle of the intersection. 00:12:15.769 --> 00:12:20.529 I saw my perspective change from my eyes to an 00:12:20.529 --> 00:12:23.950 overview of me flying through the air. I could 00:12:23.950 --> 00:12:27.379 see myself upside down. with my head facing the 00:12:27.379 --> 00:12:30.519 pavement, about 20 feet up in the air, looking 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:34.539 down at the gentleman and his windshield knocked 00:12:34.539 --> 00:12:38.539 out on his phone. So you're looking down on the 00:12:38.539 --> 00:12:42.019 scene of what's happening to you? Yes, sir. Yes, 00:12:42.100 --> 00:12:44.840 sir. Looking down at the actual scene and out 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:48.899 of body perspective. When that happens, does 00:12:48.899 --> 00:12:51.379 the pain and the shock automatically go away? 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:55.700 I never had pain. I never took any medications. 00:12:56.179 --> 00:12:58.919 I was prescribed all these pain relievers. I 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.759 think it was something immaculate. I definitely 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:07.220 had some angelic or God's hand in on my accident 00:13:07.220 --> 00:13:12.059 because there was a immaculate healing that occurred. 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:15.039 My bones were mending at an incredible rate. 00:13:15.259 --> 00:13:18.240 The doctors wanted to interview me after I was 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.809 run over. was quite embarrassed being a body 00:13:20.809 --> 00:13:22.909 double and stuff. I didn't really, I was embarrassed 00:13:22.909 --> 00:13:25.590 about the whole incident that occurred. Little 00:13:25.590 --> 00:13:28.110 did I know how much it would change my life and 00:13:28.110 --> 00:13:31.370 my perspective on life itself. But at the time 00:13:31.370 --> 00:13:34.950 you had to have felt that truck, right? And that 00:13:34.950 --> 00:13:38.850 impact. So there should be immediate pain from 00:13:38.850 --> 00:13:41.509 that, you would think. And then as you're looking 00:13:41.509 --> 00:13:44.450 down, is that all gone? That was what I was referring 00:13:44.450 --> 00:13:49.279 to. It was calming. It was as if I had entered 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:53.419 a meditative state, yet I was completely aware 00:13:53.419 --> 00:13:58.100 of what was going on around me at a broader sense, 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:02.419 not just through my human vision, but from a 00:14:02.419 --> 00:14:05.139 perspective outside of my body of everything 00:14:05.139 --> 00:14:07.639 around that it was all of a sudden I went from 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:12.039 my point of view to a worldly point of view of 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:15.320 everything that was going around and I was no 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.440 longer directly connected to my physical body, 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:23.940 I was a free soul. I was outside my body, having 00:14:23.940 --> 00:14:27.240 an outer body experience. And as I was looking 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:31.820 down, I just went up higher and higher until 00:14:31.820 --> 00:14:35.700 my perspective went to this white, mid white 00:14:35.700 --> 00:14:38.059 cloud. It was like a white room, white cloud 00:14:38.059 --> 00:14:41.740 that I was moving towards. As I was doing that, 00:14:41.740 --> 00:14:45.200 I could feel and see the darkness behind me. 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.059 And darkness not as in like shaded darkness, 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:53.399 but black, like void of love, void of all energy, 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:58.620 the exact yin and yang, yin and yang of light 00:14:58.620 --> 00:15:01.940 versus darkness. And I could feel the presence 00:15:01.940 --> 00:15:05.220 behind me, though I was moving towards the light. 00:15:05.259 --> 00:15:07.600 And that was my primary focus, though I had no 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.019 choice of the direction I was going. I was moving 00:15:11.019 --> 00:15:14.529 towards the light. without any control or condition. 00:15:14.570 --> 00:15:18.649 It was just inevitable. And as I entered inside 00:15:18.649 --> 00:15:22.230 this white room, kind of felt like I was in a 00:15:22.230 --> 00:15:24.490 cloud because there was no floor, there was no 00:15:24.490 --> 00:15:27.669 ceiling. I could not see any definition beyond 00:15:27.669 --> 00:15:32.049 this wonderful, warm, loving light that was surrounding 00:15:32.049 --> 00:15:36.049 me. And then I noticed an angel standing directly 00:15:36.049 --> 00:15:40.210 to my right who was no further than six feet, 00:15:40.590 --> 00:15:44.429 like the most eight feet. from me and she was 00:15:44.429 --> 00:15:47.409 looking at me and she was somewhat transparent, 00:15:47.690 --> 00:15:50.590 yet she was glowing with light and I could see 00:15:50.590 --> 00:15:55.250 all of her features. She was pretty and she was 00:15:55.250 --> 00:16:01.029 about maybe five feet tall and I could not see 00:16:01.029 --> 00:16:05.809 her feet. She was floating and cloaked with like 00:16:05.809 --> 00:16:10.559 a transparent veil. and yet I could see her hair. 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:15.259 And again, she calmed me down immediately from 00:16:15.259 --> 00:16:18.620 the anxiousness that occurs when you're hit by 00:16:18.620 --> 00:16:22.059 a truck. She calmed me down and I immediately 00:16:22.059 --> 00:16:25.100 was comfortable in my surroundings and was able 00:16:25.100 --> 00:16:27.700 to start taking note of everything around me. 00:16:27.779 --> 00:16:30.980 And being that I was not unconscious and I was 00:16:30.980 --> 00:16:33.320 not on any medication of any type, I wasn't in 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:36.860 the hospital, I was completely aware of everything 00:16:36.860 --> 00:16:40.830 around me. I was thinking, oh my goodness, I 00:16:40.830 --> 00:16:45.830 can hear her talking to me, her words. And I 00:16:45.830 --> 00:16:49.210 realized we were talking telepathically. And 00:16:49.210 --> 00:16:52.009 then I immediately thought, well, how am I doing 00:16:52.009 --> 00:16:56.070 this? No one taught me how to speak or how to 00:16:56.070 --> 00:16:59.029 hear telepathically. It just happened naturally 00:16:59.029 --> 00:17:04.130 once I was in heaven. She asked me to look and 00:17:04.130 --> 00:17:08.279 to watch this, and she turned. So I looked the 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:12.559 same direction as she and I started to see visions 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:16.920 from the right side of my life. And it started 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:20.619 with a vision of me at Christmas time with my 00:17:20.619 --> 00:17:24.480 family. And I was a young boy, eight years old, 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:27.400 maybe younger, with my brother and sister and 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:29.420 mom and dad opening Christmas gifts around the 00:17:29.420 --> 00:17:32.140 Christmas tree. I could hear the wrapping opening 00:17:32.140 --> 00:17:35.599 up and I could smell the Christmas tree and the 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:39.099 pine and even if you had bacon that morning, 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:41.140 bacon and eggs, so you could smell the bacon. 00:17:41.460 --> 00:17:47.240 And it was surreal to see myself and be a spectator 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:50.960 on this dimensional level of my experience, being 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:53.819 so vivid and being exactly as I remembered it, 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:56.880 yet not being a dream, but literally re -experiencing 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.500 it, feelings and the memories, all very, very 00:18:00.500 --> 00:18:03.339 sharp and accurate to the way I remember it to 00:18:03.339 --> 00:18:07.319 be. And these visions continued on. It would 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:10.880 fade into another vision in memory, all pleasant, 00:18:11.460 --> 00:18:15.220 all very positive. And I was always in attendance. 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.960 I could see myself there in these visions and 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:21.180 all the fun experiences in school, the girls 00:18:21.180 --> 00:18:24.480 I dated, the friendships I had, the exciting 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:29.359 experiences and adventures. And each one had 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:34.279 no time, had no limitations other than I was 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:38.359 completely absorbed into the moments, both with 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:41.660 emotion and all my senses. And the interesting 00:18:41.660 --> 00:18:44.819 thing was when she kind of faded, the angel faded 00:18:44.819 --> 00:18:47.480 to the background as I was watching these because 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:51.039 it was so enthralling to see these memories coming 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:53.599 forward and feeling them and experiencing them 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:57.240 once again. 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And right now, they're 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:07.599 offering round trip death listeners a free trial. 00:20:07.769 --> 00:20:11.069 Plus with promo code roundtrip, you'll save 10 00:20:11.069 --> 00:20:14.130 % off your first purchase of a website or domain. 00:20:14.730 --> 00:20:16.809 I'll put a link and the code down in the show 00:20:16.809 --> 00:20:19.670 notes to make it easy. So take a minute right 00:20:19.670 --> 00:20:23.450 now, go to squarespace .com forward slash roundtrip 00:20:23.450 --> 00:20:27.009 and get started on your own website for free. 00:20:28.230 --> 00:20:30.609 There's a misnomer in regards to you go to heaven 00:20:30.609 --> 00:20:32.690 and all of a sudden there's a disconnection to 00:20:32.690 --> 00:20:35.190 your worldly life that you just experienced in 00:20:35.190 --> 00:20:38.269 your physical body. All these things were vivid 00:20:38.269 --> 00:20:42.289 and accurate in my mind though I was in heaven 00:20:42.289 --> 00:20:46.230 and I was experiencing this new experience which 00:20:46.230 --> 00:20:50.670 was with this angel and having telepathy and 00:20:50.670 --> 00:20:54.069 having a conversation where there's no confusion 00:20:54.069 --> 00:20:58.750 or misunderstandings where your words have expression 00:20:58.750 --> 00:21:02.990 behind them. What you say and what you're experiencing 00:21:02.990 --> 00:21:06.819 and you're conveying with telepathy cannot be 00:21:06.819 --> 00:21:11.420 misunderstood. And it's always encapsulated with 00:21:11.420 --> 00:21:15.339 love. Up in heaven, you're surrounded by love 00:21:15.339 --> 00:21:19.200 and warmth and kindness. It felt like a comfortable, 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:22.559 like you were wrapped in a warm blanket and everything 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:26.480 is fine and there's no anxiety. If I could just 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:29.539 interject a couple of questions, because I don't 00:21:29.539 --> 00:21:32.880 want to miss any of this detail. But I don't 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:34.700 want to get so far down the road that we forget 00:21:34.700 --> 00:21:37.099 about some of these things that I'm really curious 00:21:37.099 --> 00:21:41.099 about. This going back and living some of these 00:21:41.099 --> 00:21:44.079 experiences, a lot of people have what we call 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:47.559 a life review. And during the life review, there's 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:50.019 usually a lot of these different circumstances 00:21:50.019 --> 00:21:54.720 and something to be learned from it. Yours, I 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:56.740 don't know if you would classify it as that. 00:21:56.740 --> 00:21:59.759 I'm asking you. or if it's more like you are 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.380 just reminiscing on all these wonderful happy 00:22:02.380 --> 00:22:05.579 memories, or if those things are even different, 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:07.960 and they can be different. What do you think? 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:10.779 That's a very good question, Eric. To me, it 00:22:10.779 --> 00:22:14.220 appeared to be somewhat of a life review, but 00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:17.940 that I didn't experience any negative or anything 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:20.460 that I was ashamed of or anything that I saw 00:22:20.460 --> 00:22:23.880 that I felt as if I had made a mistake in my 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:27.059 choices. They were all positive experiences. 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:29.359 And one thing I can tell you this much, Eric, 00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:33.759 is that at no point did she interject or was 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:37.000 there any form of judgment. It was me judging 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:41.519 my experience on Earth and what all the different 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:44.779 chapters that I had gone through and experienced. 00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:47.160 And at no point did I feel like there was any 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:50.180 judgment other than my perception of what I was 00:22:50.180 --> 00:22:53.460 seeing. And at no point did I ever feel ashamed 00:22:53.460 --> 00:22:58.220 or negative or felt as if I had failed or made 00:22:58.220 --> 00:23:02.599 a mistake. It was all love and light and kindness 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:06.799 and merely an encapsulation of the bright spots 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:08.960 of like if you were to look at a diamond and 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:12.740 see the beautiful shimmers and glimmering colors, 00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:15.819 that's kind of how it was. It was all beautiful. 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:20.410 I love that. That is really beautiful. In a life 00:23:20.410 --> 00:23:23.130 review, there's always something to be learned. 00:23:23.609 --> 00:23:26.670 Did you feel like, and I appreciate you saying 00:23:26.670 --> 00:23:30.210 there wasn't shame and guilt and judgment. Everybody 00:23:30.210 --> 00:23:33.369 tells me that same thing. And that is a relief 00:23:33.369 --> 00:23:36.789 because we're all going to take some baggage 00:23:36.789 --> 00:23:40.349 with us that we could feel some of those feelings. 00:23:40.809 --> 00:23:44.009 But when you're feeling pure love, those kinds 00:23:44.009 --> 00:23:47.420 of negative feelings tend to go away. So I'm 00:23:47.420 --> 00:23:51.140 glad you got to experience that. At the same 00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:53.500 time, you can also learn from those things. Do 00:23:53.500 --> 00:23:55.680 you feel like you learned little lessons as you 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:58.720 were going through those reviews? Most definitely. 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:02.380 There was a certain level of... Well, let's just 00:24:02.380 --> 00:24:05.019 say that if positive energies can get into your 00:24:05.019 --> 00:24:09.339 mind and show you and you can experience love 00:24:09.339 --> 00:24:12.220 and kindness and generosity and connections, 00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:14.519 there's also negative energies that can come 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:16.759 into your mind and... I don't know if they have 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:20.799 a name for those, but like demonic energies that 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:23.039 can come in. I think it's important that humans 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:26.599 can discern on earth when you're hearing voices 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:28.380 and things that are not of a healthy nature. 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:32.119 In heaven, there were no dark voices that was 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:36.500 all very positive, very loving, and full of bright 00:24:36.500 --> 00:24:40.859 light. But on earth, you can hear voices that 00:24:40.859 --> 00:24:42.619 will say, well, go for it. No one's watching. 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:44.640 Take that piece of candy. No one's going to notice. 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.079 In heaven, it is all noticed. And it's when you 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:50.799 don't think that you're being noticed, as I took 00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:54.680 a collection of, is when you're noticed the most, 00:24:54.740 --> 00:24:56.660 is when you don't think you're being watched. 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:59.700 That's when God and angels are monitoring you 00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:03.880 closer, because your mind is functioning in an 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:07.099 undeterred state. It's just you. So I highly 00:25:07.099 --> 00:25:09.799 recommend that you do your best to listen to 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:12.779 the voices that, because there is no getting 00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:15.289 away with anything in life. And I think that 00:25:15.289 --> 00:25:18.210 I always had a healthy angel and a healthy, positive 00:25:18.210 --> 00:25:21.529 outlook in my voices, in my mind that I would 00:25:21.529 --> 00:25:24.549 always defer from going and doing anything negative. 00:25:24.609 --> 00:25:28.730 And I was lucky enough to follow that rules and 00:25:28.730 --> 00:25:32.690 that law of life in my mind growing up. So I 00:25:32.690 --> 00:25:35.950 did not have anything to regret. And any moments 00:25:35.950 --> 00:25:39.910 in my life or in my life review as you speak 00:25:39.910 --> 00:25:44.170 that I was ashamed of. Okay, let's jump back 00:25:44.170 --> 00:25:46.809 to where we were before I so rudely interrupted 00:25:46.809 --> 00:25:52.630 you. You were talking about this beautiful angel 00:25:52.630 --> 00:25:55.849 and the pure communication and the love that 00:25:55.849 --> 00:25:57.890 you were feeling. Why don't you continue there? 00:25:58.529 --> 00:26:02.549 So as I look at her and we're having these conversations, 00:26:02.950 --> 00:26:07.450 I was thinking in my mind, if I hear her, she's 00:26:07.450 --> 00:26:10.380 hearing me. And so I was very cognizant of what 00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:13.460 I was thinking when I was speaking with her as 00:26:13.460 --> 00:26:16.539 to the incredible, magnificent moment that I 00:26:16.539 --> 00:26:19.819 was sharing and communicating with the angel. 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:23.079 She again is guiding me. And I was thinking in 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:27.420 my mind that just 10 seconds ago, it seemed like 00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:31.440 it was hours ago, though in heaven, there is 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:35.619 no time. We perceive time here on Earth as our 00:26:35.619 --> 00:26:42.259 linear way to to justify these experiences. But 00:26:42.259 --> 00:26:45.460 in heaven, it's all happening simultaneously, 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:50.039 the past, the future, the present. And there's 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:54.700 nothing more important or anything more significant 00:26:54.700 --> 00:26:57.700 than living in the present moment. That's the 00:26:57.700 --> 00:27:01.039 closest thing you'll get to heaven is when you 00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:04.900 are here on earth. And if it's during a conversation 00:27:04.900 --> 00:27:08.670 or sharing a moment with an animal or a person 00:27:08.670 --> 00:27:12.430 that you love and touching them and sharing this 00:27:12.430 --> 00:27:17.309 energy, that the present moment is the significant 00:27:17.309 --> 00:27:21.009 component that allows you to make these differences, 00:27:21.450 --> 00:27:25.509 to make movements on this physical plane that 00:27:25.509 --> 00:27:28.210 you're experiencing in the earthly realm with 00:27:28.210 --> 00:27:31.390 your physical body. So I can never stress enough 00:27:31.390 --> 00:27:35.140 to anyone that I speak to or speak with. that 00:27:35.140 --> 00:27:38.640 you need to be completely present to put the 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:42.200 phone down, not to be distracted by anything 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.619 other than the gift of love and the gift of that 00:27:45.619 --> 00:27:48.339 moment that you're sharing with others. And it 00:27:48.339 --> 00:27:51.640 could be with a cat or a dog or anyone it is, 00:27:51.779 --> 00:27:55.799 but that I really find that to be a significant 00:27:55.799 --> 00:28:02.440 component of extending your moments into a history 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:07.109 of love, kindness and positive experience that 00:28:07.109 --> 00:28:09.250 you can look back on and it can only be done 00:28:09.250 --> 00:28:12.490 in the present moment when you are here and aware. 00:28:13.130 --> 00:28:15.450 So getting back to that wonderful angel and sharing 00:28:15.450 --> 00:28:18.569 that moment with her, I thought that the experience, 00:28:18.869 --> 00:28:22.569 this life experience, had completed itself because 00:28:22.569 --> 00:28:24.470 the last thing I remember is flying through the 00:28:24.470 --> 00:28:28.250 air and that's where I turned to look at her 00:28:28.250 --> 00:28:33.460 and wait for the next guidance from her. And 00:28:33.460 --> 00:28:35.359 she said, hold on, there's something else I need 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:39.259 to show you. So I went back, I looked where I 00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:42.940 was watching my life experience, and I saw this 00:28:42.940 --> 00:28:46.799 green, beautiful grassy knoll, a woman standing 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.759 there with her back to me playing baseball with 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.359 this little boy. And the boy's about eight years 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:55.619 old. And I knew who they were, though I had not 00:28:55.619 --> 00:29:00.160 experienced this yet. This was something in the 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.700 physical world to be my future. But I was not 00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:06.839 there, and I was very aware of that, that I was 00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:09.200 not present, yet I'm watching this beautiful 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:12.259 woman and this boy play baseball. I turned to 00:29:12.259 --> 00:29:15.559 her, and I knew who they were, that it was my 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.920 future wife and my future son. And I turned to 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:22.880 her, and I asked her, where am I? And she told 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:27.640 me that I no longer exist, and that it's usually 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:34.769 difficult to think of this moment. Yeah. She 00:29:34.769 --> 00:29:38.609 said, you no longer exist and that I wanted to 00:29:38.609 --> 00:29:41.150 be there so much. This was the most significant 00:29:41.150 --> 00:29:44.730 point of the whole black experience. And I asked 00:29:44.730 --> 00:29:48.450 her, well, I need to be there. And you gave me 00:29:48.450 --> 00:29:51.789 the opportunity to see this possibility. And 00:29:51.789 --> 00:29:53.869 I always wanted to be married and I always wanted 00:29:53.869 --> 00:29:58.049 a child. She turned and looked right in my eyes 00:29:58.049 --> 00:30:01.329 and asked me if this was my choice. And I said, 00:30:01.410 --> 00:30:03.990 yes, this is my choice. And the next thing I 00:30:03.990 --> 00:30:07.210 know, I'm back in my physical body on earth. 00:30:08.390 --> 00:30:12.490 And I realized that you have free choice in life 00:30:12.490 --> 00:30:16.869 and in heaven, that you're not just taken and 00:30:16.869 --> 00:30:21.029 placed places and moved about like a figure on 00:30:21.029 --> 00:30:24.690 a chessboard, that you honestly can, you have 00:30:24.690 --> 00:30:27.309 choices that you can make yourself and that you 00:30:27.309 --> 00:30:30.970 are in control of your destiny. So choose wisely 00:30:30.970 --> 00:30:35.430 on how you interact with others and especially 00:30:35.430 --> 00:30:38.210 during the present moment. And again, the next 00:30:38.210 --> 00:30:41.190 thing I know, I'm back in my physical body exactly 00:30:41.190 --> 00:30:45.569 where I left it and gone into heaven and realizing 00:30:45.569 --> 00:30:48.430 that I was upside down and that my head was facing 00:30:48.430 --> 00:30:51.170 the pavement and that I'd better be very careful 00:30:51.170 --> 00:30:54.950 in the next split second to get my hands behind 00:30:54.950 --> 00:30:56.750 me or I'm going to crack my head open on the 00:30:56.750 --> 00:31:01.369 pavement. And I did so and I ended up fracturing 00:31:01.369 --> 00:31:05.869 both my wrists on impact and whipping a lot of 00:31:05.869 --> 00:31:09.009 the flesh from my palms of my hand on impact. 00:31:09.549 --> 00:31:12.869 But I immediately jumped up and was elated that 00:31:12.869 --> 00:31:16.049 I was alive and that I was back on earth. I had 00:31:16.049 --> 00:31:18.410 so much going through my mind and through my 00:31:18.410 --> 00:31:21.250 heart. Most of it was just an appreciation and 00:31:21.250 --> 00:31:26.430 an incredible love for life and for being here. 00:31:26.490 --> 00:31:29.210 being surrounded by all these souls. My perspective 00:31:29.210 --> 00:31:32.230 had completely changed from the moment before 00:31:32.230 --> 00:31:35.210 when I was in my physical body having my life 00:31:35.210 --> 00:31:38.210 experience with this angel and then coming back 00:31:38.210 --> 00:31:41.430 to earth. And it's kind of like the scenario 00:31:41.430 --> 00:31:43.410 where someone said, if you knew that you only 00:31:43.410 --> 00:31:47.150 had one day to live, how would you live that 00:31:47.150 --> 00:31:50.529 day? And I have been living my life ever since 00:31:50.529 --> 00:31:55.329 as if it is one day that I have to live. And 00:31:55.329 --> 00:31:58.529 I am so appreciative to have been back and allowed 00:31:58.529 --> 00:32:02.829 to come back to earth and to help others, guide 00:32:02.829 --> 00:32:06.269 others through the process, which is beautiful. 00:32:06.369 --> 00:32:10.049 The process of passing and moving on and that 00:32:10.049 --> 00:32:12.289 I was able to come back and be a voice for God 00:32:12.289 --> 00:32:16.029 and be a voice for heaven and for the angelic 00:32:16.029 --> 00:32:19.589 realm is an honor and a gift. And I'm very lucky. 00:32:20.309 --> 00:32:23.519 So every day I wake up as if it's my last. And 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:27.200 it's my first. And I will always do nothing but 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.980 lead with love and kindness and appreciation 00:32:30.980 --> 00:32:35.160 and also the humility of we are all here doing 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:39.119 our best as spirits and human bodies to have 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.460 a wonderful and having positive experience. And 00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:45.500 it's up to us. We have a responsibility to each 00:32:45.500 --> 00:32:48.420 other, to all the animals on this planet and 00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:51.420 to the planet itself to treat it with respect 00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:55.440 and love. and kindness. Anything outside of that, 00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:58.299 politics and religion, none of those were there 00:32:58.299 --> 00:33:01.160 in heaven. I didn't experience any of that materialism. 00:33:01.180 --> 00:33:04.000 None of that existed. None of that was even shown 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.680 to me during my life experience. It was only 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:09.380 the moments shared with other living souls that 00:33:09.380 --> 00:33:12.400 had any significance or any meaning. In high 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.380 regard, I really want people to understand that 00:33:15.380 --> 00:33:18.519 that is why we're here and that that is the purpose 00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:22.000 is to love each other. and to treat each other 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:26.180 with understanding and kindness. Thank you. What 00:33:26.180 --> 00:33:28.920 a beautiful philosophy. I have a few more questions 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.160 for you, but before I move on to those, were 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.559 there any other details of this experience out 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:38.819 of body that you remember that you'd like to 00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:42.599 share? It's important to understand that the 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:44.940 out -of -body experience and the experience of 00:33:44.940 --> 00:33:48.819 passing is not like you're thrown into this world 00:33:48.819 --> 00:33:52.740 of the unknown. You have no control in what's 00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:55.400 happening. You have complete control of what 00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:00.299 is happening in the spirit realm. The distractions 00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:04.900 of materialism, the distractions of ego and the 00:34:04.900 --> 00:34:07.680 distractions of things that have absolutely no 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.199 value or any meaning, which are presented here 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:12.440 on earth, you realize none of those have any 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.280 value. and that when you have the outer body 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:19.480 experience, it's almost a clarity of what truly 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.500 matters and what truly is a reason for being 00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:26.760 here. And it's so simple. It's a single focus 00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:31.639 of love, which encapsulates compassion and understanding. 00:34:31.860 --> 00:34:36.440 And all of that is clearly presented and clearly 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:41.000 defined the moment that you leave your physical 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.260 body and the earthly realm all the distractions 00:34:44.260 --> 00:34:49.300 dissipate and go away. Yeah. So I'm really curious. 00:34:49.780 --> 00:34:53.380 You saw while you were there, your future wife 00:34:53.380 --> 00:34:57.460 and child. When you finally met your wife, did 00:34:57.460 --> 00:35:01.380 you recognize her? Yes, I did. I knew who she 00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:04.920 was. I was working out at the at the club at 00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.920 the. For fitness at the time, I used to work 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.869 hard every day because that was my job. She was 00:35:10.869 --> 00:35:14.429 there working out and she had a complete purple 00:35:14.429 --> 00:35:19.329 hue around her. It was like an unbelievable purple 00:35:19.329 --> 00:35:23.610 like glow around her and something inside my 00:35:23.610 --> 00:35:26.809 mind said approach her and I don't even know 00:35:26.809 --> 00:35:29.010 why or the reasoning behind it other than I was 00:35:29.010 --> 00:35:32.010 overwhelmed and I just got up and walked right 00:35:32.010 --> 00:35:37.420 over to her and Said hello. My name is John And 00:35:37.420 --> 00:35:39.159 I said, you need to hold it down, because you're 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:41.659 making us guys look bad over here. Because she 00:35:41.659 --> 00:35:45.300 was exercising, and she was so focused. And she 00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:47.460 started laughing. And I thought to myself, oh 00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:49.519 my gosh, that has got to be the dumbest thing 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.320 I've ever said. And I was almost somewhat embarrassed. 00:35:53.300 --> 00:35:56.179 In the moment, it was that I was to approach 00:35:56.179 --> 00:35:59.260 her. I was to acknowledge her. It's funny how 00:35:59.260 --> 00:36:03.599 the spirit world and the angels and God take 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:07.219 control of the important things. And all you 00:36:07.219 --> 00:36:09.920 need to do is trust that everything will work 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:13.460 out. And in that moment, I learned to trust in 00:36:13.460 --> 00:36:16.139 love. I just wondered if you had walked up and 00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:21.360 said, by the way, I had this experience and you're 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.900 going to be my future wife. Yeah, probably better 00:36:23.900 --> 00:36:26.280 to hold off on that for a bit. That one was going 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.619 to hold off on a little bit. It all came together 00:36:29.619 --> 00:36:31.840 in a way. But can you imagine Eric having this 00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:36.510 experience knowing the significance of of you 00:36:36.510 --> 00:36:39.829 marrying this woman. And all of these thoughts 00:36:39.829 --> 00:36:42.789 are going through my mind and it was so overwhelming 00:36:42.789 --> 00:36:46.150 that everything in that moment was tied to me 00:36:46.150 --> 00:36:49.750 being able to have a child, having my son, Dylan, 00:36:50.230 --> 00:36:54.150 who is a gift in my life. Her name was Gina Geese 00:36:54.150 --> 00:36:57.050 at the time, was a gift in my life and a chapter 00:36:57.050 --> 00:37:00.739 that I am so blessed to have experienced. that 00:37:00.739 --> 00:37:03.940 love and the opportunity to have a child with 00:37:03.940 --> 00:37:06.659 her. We ended up living up on that ranch and 00:37:06.659 --> 00:37:09.840 I ended up playing baseball with my son and this 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.019 woman that I married up on that ranch. And everything 00:37:13.019 --> 00:37:16.699 came through exactly as I had dreamt or as I 00:37:16.699 --> 00:37:20.400 had experienced in heaven. But I had to live 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:24.440 for a year or so knowing the future and living 00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.300 it backwards. And I was so concerned that I would 00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:30.090 do the wrong thing or say the wrong thing. that 00:37:30.090 --> 00:37:32.809 she would not want to marry me and that all this 00:37:32.809 --> 00:37:35.789 opportunity would have never come into fruition. 00:37:36.429 --> 00:37:39.710 And that was the hardest year of my life because 00:37:39.710 --> 00:37:43.969 I realized the significance of my actions, though 00:37:43.969 --> 00:37:47.769 everything worked out very smoothly and that 00:37:47.769 --> 00:37:51.130 there was no need for me to have concerns as 00:37:51.130 --> 00:37:54.969 if the angels and God had taken care of this 00:37:54.969 --> 00:37:56.969 and that it was all going to work out the way 00:37:56.969 --> 00:38:00.769 I had been shown. within a year, we were engaged 00:38:00.769 --> 00:38:04.130 and married. Though, you know, we have my son 00:38:04.130 --> 00:38:07.289 now who's older and he is the gift in my life, 00:38:07.789 --> 00:38:10.110 we did not remain married, though we are best 00:38:10.110 --> 00:38:13.030 friends and we are, to this day, we talk often 00:38:13.030 --> 00:38:17.210 and our primary concerns and relationship is 00:38:17.210 --> 00:38:20.110 based on making sure that we provide for our 00:38:20.110 --> 00:38:22.449 son, right, still bounce things off of her whenever 00:38:22.449 --> 00:38:25.320 there's life changes and things in her. her opinion 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.480 in her life means much to me, and I really wish 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.900 her the very best, though I think God has kind 00:38:31.900 --> 00:38:35.440 of put me on a different path at this time, a 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:40.659 very powerful spiritual path that is still, let's 00:38:40.659 --> 00:38:46.000 say, unwinding and opening as I do my best to 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:49.739 follow in what I experienced in Heaven. We're 00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:52.519 all on that. But you had that couple of years, 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.420 it was like, just don't blow it, just don't blow 00:38:54.420 --> 00:38:57.880 it. Exactly. I know what's coming if I just don't 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:02.000 mess it up. How old is your son now? He's 22. 00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.659 Shout out to Dylan. Hello, Dylan. He'll greatly 00:39:06.659 --> 00:39:08.920 appreciate that. He and I have a friendship. 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.059 I've never seen myself as a father. He never 00:39:12.059 --> 00:39:17.039 needed a dad. He just needed love. And he has 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:20.829 exceeded expectations in regards to our relationship 00:39:20.829 --> 00:39:24.289 and we just have a close friendship as if he's 00:39:24.289 --> 00:39:27.309 my best buddy and that everything that we do 00:39:27.309 --> 00:39:30.929 and share together, we're always laughing and 00:39:30.929 --> 00:39:34.269 having a good time. I am so blessed with every 00:39:34.269 --> 00:39:37.570 day that I get to share with him. I'm aware of 00:39:37.570 --> 00:39:41.449 that and I never hesitate to tell him from my 00:39:41.449 --> 00:39:44.550 heart that I love him and that I appreciate him 00:39:44.550 --> 00:39:47.670 and that there was so much that I learned from 00:39:47.670 --> 00:39:51.949 him. not just as an adult bringing up a younger 00:39:51.949 --> 00:39:56.150 son, but as a friend who I've learned as much 00:39:56.150 --> 00:39:58.889 from him as I have been able to instruct from 00:39:58.889 --> 00:40:01.929 my perspective. I can so relate to all that. 00:40:02.510 --> 00:40:05.789 I mentioned to you about Will, my son, early 00:40:05.789 --> 00:40:08.809 on. He's just a little bit older than that. And 00:40:08.809 --> 00:40:11.489 here's what you have to look forward to. Dylan, 00:40:12.289 --> 00:40:16.829 his wife, partner, whatever, may have a child 00:40:16.829 --> 00:40:20.960 someday. Like wills did last summer and that's 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.539 softly special too. So you've got that to look 00:40:23.539 --> 00:40:27.039 forward to as well Trust me. It's pretty cool. 00:40:27.300 --> 00:40:29.980 I I always say that like oh my gosh, I'm excited 00:40:29.980 --> 00:40:32.480 for the future but then I'm thinking well if 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:38.920 I say anything that may put a Outside a pressure 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:42.320 or premonition on on what he is to achieve because 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.079 sometimes I wonder about the egg or the chicken 00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:48.349 what came first because Again, I learned so much 00:40:48.349 --> 00:40:51.650 from my son that I'm always thinking I don't 00:40:51.650 --> 00:40:55.050 want to change his perspective because he has 00:40:55.050 --> 00:40:58.949 gifts that amaze me to this day. And I wonder 00:40:58.949 --> 00:41:02.429 was it he or I that was meant to come back and 00:41:02.429 --> 00:41:05.989 to make a difference and to express wholeheartedly 00:41:05.989 --> 00:41:09.969 the significance of being a soul in a human body 00:41:09.969 --> 00:41:13.489 and sharing in the gift of the human experience 00:41:13.489 --> 00:41:16.090 here on Earth. Good question. Okay, a couple 00:41:16.090 --> 00:41:19.070 more quick questions. I want to hear just a little 00:41:19.070 --> 00:41:21.750 bit more about this angel. You described a little 00:41:21.750 --> 00:41:24.369 bit that she was beautiful and what she was wearing. 00:41:25.250 --> 00:41:28.630 Did you ever get a feeling like she was some 00:41:28.630 --> 00:41:32.030 kind of relation to you? She was assigned to 00:41:32.030 --> 00:41:34.909 you as a guide. What else did you feel from her? 00:41:35.369 --> 00:41:41.230 I felt that she was the epitome of what I thought 00:41:41.230 --> 00:41:44.590 an angel would be. if I were to meet one. And 00:41:44.590 --> 00:41:47.769 so I don't know if I have a bias because what 00:41:47.769 --> 00:41:50.590 I feel comfortable and what I see or thought 00:41:50.590 --> 00:41:53.690 as a young boy going to a Lutheran church and 00:41:53.690 --> 00:41:57.409 seeing Jesus up on the cross and I always wondered 00:41:57.409 --> 00:42:01.050 what the experience would be like being crucified. 00:42:01.630 --> 00:42:04.849 I always was concerned about that and it ended 00:42:04.849 --> 00:42:08.230 up that I was, in a way, and being able to come 00:42:08.230 --> 00:42:11.559 back. and to relive and to come back from a near 00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.280 -death experience. That the angel was everything 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:18.300 that I thought that she would be loving, light, 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:24.019 and reassuring of my path, and she was everything 00:42:24.019 --> 00:42:28.719 that I envisioned her to be. And I felt so comfortable 00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.260 as if I had been here before, I had done this 00:42:32.260 --> 00:42:35.860 before in heaven, and that I remembered everything. 00:42:36.630 --> 00:42:39.489 that we try to experience, that we try to achieve 00:42:39.489 --> 00:42:43.289 here on Earth. Having the ability to speak with 00:42:43.289 --> 00:42:46.070 her telepathically, if we could do that here 00:42:46.070 --> 00:42:49.190 on Earth, how many things could be disregarded 00:42:49.190 --> 00:42:52.489 in the mistakes of thoughts and voices and words 00:42:52.489 --> 00:42:55.469 that people say that are misinterpreted between 00:42:55.469 --> 00:42:58.730 humans. There was no misinterpretation with the 00:42:58.730 --> 00:43:01.449 angel. She and I spoke with complete clarity, 00:43:01.730 --> 00:43:05.420 which made me feel so at ease and so loved. Well, 00:43:05.420 --> 00:43:08.460 in my understanding of that telepathic communication, 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.260 as you've explained it and as other people have 00:43:12.260 --> 00:43:16.179 explained it, it may not necessarily be in words 00:43:16.179 --> 00:43:19.519 but more of a transfer of meaning, which is why 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.820 there's no misinterpretation. I mean, in this 00:43:22.820 --> 00:43:25.079 life we often use the wrong words and a word 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.440 I say to you might mean something different to 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:32.400 somebody else. So when we can just lovingly transfer 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.860 some kind of meaning back and forth, Perfect 00:43:35.860 --> 00:43:38.639 communication. We would have perfect marriages. 00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.219 We would have perfect relationships with everybody 00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:44.420 here if we could just do that. How much fear 00:43:44.420 --> 00:43:47.940 of death do you have? Absolutely none. My wife 00:43:47.940 --> 00:43:49.739 used to get so mad at me. She'd say, you are 00:43:49.739 --> 00:43:53.480 walking right in the path of that vehicle. And 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:54.960 she grabbed me and pulled me out of the way. 00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:57.780 I have absolutely no fear of death at all. I 00:43:57.780 --> 00:44:01.019 would not ask it. because I realized the gift 00:44:01.019 --> 00:44:03.320 of me being here and that I'm making incremental 00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:06.840 changes in my life and in the life of others 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:10.039 by even speaking with you now and expressing 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.199 that the near -death experience and the death 00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.300 experience itself is a positive experience and 00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:18.539 in no way is it negative. Of course, it's difficult 00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:20.800 for those who are still existing when you lose 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.199 a loved one, and that's understandable. But from 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:28.110 the loved one's perspective, Be it heaven or 00:44:28.110 --> 00:44:31.349 hell you choose how you will live that be it 00:44:31.349 --> 00:44:33.969 in heaven or here on earth You can choose to 00:44:33.969 --> 00:44:38.510 live in heaven here on earth That that you know 00:44:38.510 --> 00:44:41.050 the significance of the present moment. I cannot 00:44:41.050 --> 00:44:45.670 express that enough that if you can take a couple 00:44:45.670 --> 00:44:48.869 deep breaths and When you get excited or you 00:44:48.869 --> 00:44:51.610 get angry or that you're ready to say something 00:44:51.610 --> 00:44:54.650 that you may regret To take a couple breaths 00:44:54.650 --> 00:45:00.440 breathe deep and allow your earthly mouth to 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:04.860 say the words that are almost cannot be mistaken 00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:08.519 by anything other than love and kindness and 00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.639 generosity and understanding because only in 00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.000 the present moment can you perform miracles and 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.780 that's what you're here to do is to experience 00:45:16.780 --> 00:45:21.300 miracles and to be a fulcrum, a pendulum of providing 00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:23.699 miracles to others but it's only done in the 00:45:23.699 --> 00:45:26.829 present moment. You can't do it in forethought 00:45:26.829 --> 00:45:30.409 or in reflection of the past. Those energies 00:45:30.409 --> 00:45:34.949 are no longer in the active realm of your ability 00:45:34.949 --> 00:45:38.010 to be in the present moment and to perform miracles. 00:45:38.710 --> 00:45:41.170 Trent John Miller, thank you for being with me 00:45:41.170 --> 00:45:43.869 today. Thank you for opening up and sharing some 00:45:43.869 --> 00:45:46.070 of these really deep things. I appreciate it. 00:45:46.489 --> 00:45:50.059 Thank you, Eric. Thanks again for listening and 00:45:50.059 --> 00:45:52.420 sharing this podcast. Don't forget to hit the 00:45:52.420 --> 00:45:55.219 follow or subscribe button and sign up for our 00:45:55.219 --> 00:45:58.039 newsletter at roundtripdeath .com. 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