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and prosperous new year, and now enjoy our conversation
with today's guest. Welcome welcome to round
trip death everybody and this is gonna be so
fun. We're going over to Scotland today We're
gonna be meeting with Jane Dawson and oh there.
She is Jane. Say hello. Hey Lovely to see Eric
and Hello to everyone that's watching Lovely
to see you and we have a lot of people that listen
to the audio podcast and a lot of people that
are watching the video so you're reaching both
and for those that are watching the video you
have got to explain the paintings behind you
quickly before we start okay well i'll just quickly
explain this one eric this was done by i don't
know if you can see picasso he signed it up here
but from the spirit world not picasso when he
was alive here and i believe that picasso painted
this of me for me i have some evidence for that
So it was painted through a wonderful trance
medium called Jose or Jose Madrado who you can
find on YouTube and he goes into a deep trance
and these famous painters paint through him,
use his physical faculties to cause these amazing
paintings to come into being. This one only took
11 minutes. and Josie is just there with his
eyes closed dabbing paints onto a canvas and
he does a bit of this with his fingers minutes
later this amazing thing comes out there are
also lots of I do have four or five other ones
here as well So the reason why Josie does this
is because these famous artists in spirit agreed
with him that he could use their talents to raise
money for his orphanage in Brazil for the poorest,
poorest babies. So how I came across this was
that I was attending a spiritual event in Aberdeen,
that's also Scotland, and Josie was given a demonstration.
and I had agreed to go up a night before with
some friends and we went into an Airbnb and on
the wall was the Dove by Picasso the Dove of
Peace by Picasso so I said out loud to my friends
I think Picasso's going to paint something for
me tomorrow that wasn't being big headed that
was just setting an intention I'm a big believer
in that This painting happened and we had to
all bid for the paintings and I had already bid
for two previously so I only had limited funds
and I was outbid by another lady so I sadly said
goodbye to this lovely painting but about a year
and a half later this lady called me and said
that she had bought this painting for her daughter
but her daughter didn't want it Was I still interested?
Of course, the answer was yes, as you can see
here. I haven't showed you the bottom but Picasso...
Picasso, I did believe, liked to ladies. I do
feel with this painting that this is about over
giving to people. trying to breastfeed the world,
if you understand. So I know it's very possible
for the spirit world to connect with us in this
way and give us messages. And it doesn't matter
when you receive the physical painting or the
message, even if it's not at the same time. And
sometimes it takes you a little while to work
out what the message is too. For those that are
not watching the video version of this, we're
not going to explain what happens when you lean
your head to the right a few inches. I should
have briefly said it is a painting that Picasso
from Spirit did of a lady's head and her shoulder
and one bosom that she has on show, one bare
bosom. That's like growing out of the side of
her face. Okay, we really need to move on. We're
going to be talking today about your near -death
experience, discussing some interesting kind
of philosophies about heaven and is it a specific
place or is it a state of being or what is it
we're going to get into that topic. But as long
as we're talking paintings, hey take one more
minute and tell us a little bit about you Jane
so we get to know you a little bit. Okay, well
I love a Picasso painting and I want her to have
one. So I am a mom, a gran, a grandmom, an entrepreneur,
a spiritually impressed person I guess. A spiritual
medium would be one way of describing it or a
conscious channel I've heard it described as
this. This is my passion in life, one of my passions
in life, but really the main one I would say
at this juncture. And I knew nothing about spirituality,
I knew nothing about anything beyond this physical
life until I had that near -death experience
during the birth of my child that we are going
to go ahead and speak about now. Let's jump right
into that. Tell me what your life was like leading
up to this childbirth because I'm sure it's changed
since. Massively, absolutely massively. Before
my NDE, I was a woman who was not happy in life.
I have been, I'm going to use the words cursed
because I was cursed with lack of self -love
or self -loathing and I've only discovered recently
it really is a curse. Of course it's a generational
thing and my family have discovered that too.
It's also very much about the way we speak to
each other and the genetics we have and the I
guess the sensitivity in our nature all comes
together and it can cause us to really not appreciate
ourselves in fact to loathe ourselves and unfortunately
that's where I I was from, I remember being initially
from very young. So this caused me to make a
lot of let's call them errors or mistakes in
life, although we know that really it's only
just another path. But anyhow, it caused me not
to continue with my education. It caused me to
get into the wrong careers. It caused me to get
into disastrous relationships because I just
grabbed at the first thing that came along. And
then I had, I've got three beautiful children,
but even when they come along, perhaps it wasn't
in the best of circumstances. So yeah, a lot
of mental and physical ill health was going along
with that. And directly before this happened,
I was a civil servant. I was in a new relationship,
pregnant. I was 39 and the relationship was already
going downhill. My father had had cancer and
just died. My mom lived next door to me. Of course,
she was deeply depressed. And I had two daughters
who were just hitting their teens. So, yes, it
was quite a mixture of stress, depression and
ill health. And how did your labor and childbirth
go? Well, my son was my third child, so it was
a completely different pregnancy. I thought I
was going to lose. him and then the doctors thought
that he may have a chromosome abnormality so
we had that decision to make as well just before
halfway through the pregnancy so it was very
worrisome and that was not good given my current
state of mind however we got through that we
got to the day in question and i was laboring
away in a national health service hospital. This
is where in the UK you have so -called free medicine
although everyone contributes to it. So the choices
were limited particularly in those days and because
I was an experienced mother I was certain I was
going to have this baby right away. So when the
anaesthetist came round I told him that it was
too late for a spinal block and sent him on his
way. Three hours later I was screaming for him
to come back And in those days, that wasn't an
option. There was one anaesthetist for all the
women that were in labour that night. So I basically
had to get on with it without really any major
pain relief. So I got to the stage where I just
felt that I couldn't do this anymore. I was just
so utterly exhausted in the mind, body and the
spirit. And I just thought to myself, I can't
do this. It wasn't even a conscious thought.
It was just like a knowingness. I really can't
do this anymore. And that's where some interesting
things really started to happen. You know, it's
been said that a woman in childbirth is the closest
you can get to death without dying. Sounds like
you were right on that door right there. And
then you gave into it. I guess I did. Yeah, just
I was finished with life. I didn't actually realize
that at that exact moment, but about a year and
a half later I couldn't eat I couldn't eat anything
at all and I think it was actually a way of trying
to starve myself to death because I lost about
four stones in about the same number of weeks
I subsequently heard a doctor saying that people
at the end of their life don't want to eat and
we shouldn't force them and something just a
bell just rang with me that said you had given
up you were essentially feeling like you're at
the end of your life. So although incredible
things happened during the birth, it took me
a while to heal from all the physical and emotional
pain, suffering that had been going through.
All right, well, let's go back to what happened
next. So you're in childbirth. You can't you
can't do any more. What happened? I just can't.
The pain was excruciating. I just sort of felt
my spirit. leave my body, and it was just bliss.
The pain was gone. I was just like... And it
was like total velvety darkness. I went, oh,
this is lovely. Not consciously thinking those
thoughts, but, you know, it was annoyingness.
And just at that very moment, I encountered my
father's soul, his spirit, that I thought was
no more. Although I'd asked my father on his
deathbed to always look after my son because
I hadn't spoken to him about the fact that I
was having a boy because back in those days I
didn't know there was anything more than this
life. I just didn't have that awareness. Or maybe
I did somewhere because I did ask my father to
always look after him so I must have had that
awareness deep down. So, yeah, we just had this
beautiful soul -to -soul meeting. I'm like, my
dad's here. I don't know if I actually said those
words out loud or just thought them in my mind,
but it was like, it was just a wonderful miracle
and just the feeling of love and contentment
and knowing that I wasn't alone. you know that
my daddy was there for me well if you think about
it at the time i requested him just before my
son's birth the most dangerous journey a human
being will ever take through the birth canal
if you think about it the four inch birth canal
where your head anyway we don't need to go into
too much detail but there we go my father was
there basically to fulfill my request to him
when he was already in a coma. What did he look
like when you saw him? Do you know what, Eric?
It wasn't so much seeing or hearing. It was more
feeling. And it was a knowingness. So if my father
was sat right next to me in the physical plane,
I would know him this much. But I knew him beyond
time and space. I'm putting my arms right out
to either side of the room here. It was a knowingness
for eons and that was what was so beautifully
comforting about it because that taught me so
much not particularly even at that moment but
subsequently at that moment I was just overwhelmed
by the comfort and the love and then knowing
this that that I was supported obviously my father
from his perspective in the spirit world had
thought to himself My daughter is in trouble.
My grandson's about to be born. My daughter has
many paths ahead of her. She doesn't need to
stay in the one she's on. And I'm going to assist
her with this. Because you understand when we're
in spirit, non -physical. Heaven, if you want
to call it, all these words are sort of interchangeable
to me. We know everything. We know all the potential
past, we know lives, so -called past lives, future
lives we've had together. We know your deepest
desires and thoughts of the people who are still
here. That stuff is just all known to us because
we're all one energy. We're all one beautiful
energy. Down here we think we're all separate
entities wandering about, completely disconnected.
So the other thing I did come to discover shortly
after my son was born and when he could start
just when he started walking and talking part
of my father is reincarnated in my son and I
know this because my father at the beginning
of his working life was a Glasgow policeman and
as soon as my son was up on his feet and could
utter a few words he asked for handcuffs and
he asked for a baton and his father purchased
these items for him which he then used in his
father So that was some pretty good evidence.
More than that, he looks like my father. He has
the same eyes as my father and my son is now
pursuing a professional legal career, which my
father would have loved to have done. So that
was part of everything that happened at that
time and subsequently. What kind of communication
was there between you and your father? I would
say it was knowingness. It was a knowingness.
Was it like a conversation between the two of
you? No. It wasn't like a conversation that we're
having just now. It definitely wasn't that. As
I'm talking to you just now, actually I am receiving
further information and I've found this is something
that happens. My father's telling me it was an
infusion of love. So that's wonderful, isn't
it? An infusion of love enough to make me...
come back down to planet earth and continue what
did you learn about heaven one of the main reasons
that i i was having great difficulties with accepting
that there could be a heaven or an afterlife
is because i literally thought how can everybody
fit in above the clouds and i'm not sure i'm
not the only person who's had that thought think
of all the millions of souls who have died and
all the millions of souls to come. I'm like how
can they all fit in above the clouds? Anyhow
of course I was thinking with a physical brain
about physical things. Now I'm aware that heaven
is an energetic state of being rather than a
place. Although in your perception you can make
it a place if that's what you want. Heaven has
no boundaries. In a way neither does planet Earth,
other than the fact that we have a human body,
we've got to work within those boundaries. So
I guess the question shouldn't really be where
is heaven, but what is heaven? Yes, it's a frequency,
an energetic state, and as again I'm thinking
about it here, they're showing me all different,
I'll say steps and stairs, but that's not the
exact correct words, it's increments of it. So
I do believe that my father probably came down
quite a lot in vibration, increments, frequency
to join with me. Maybe I came up a bit, he came
down a bit and that was the space that we had
our love. But for those who go to heaven, to
the non -physical and stay there, I do believe
it's just blissful and loving and absolutely
everything that you would want it to be. I think
those are key points, everything that you would
want it to be. Perhaps some souls just want to
be absorbed into all that is, just be part of
that. Perhaps some souls want to be reincarnated,
you know, partially reincarnated. Perhaps some
souls want to be angels, guides, you know, keepers
of Akashic Records, I've heard all that sort
of stuff talked about as well. I must admit when
I hear about records and contracts that's all
very earthly stuff so I feel this must all be
very much in a subtle frequency level rather
than written out into paper books. Was there
a time that you felt like you went back into
your body after this? The baby actually was delivered
and I was still in the non -physical realms and
the thing was I wasn't being monitored, other
than they were down at the business end, if I
can put it that way, checking what was happening
with the baby's delivery. So I don't know what
physical signs I had, if any, that this was going
on. But once my son was born, the nurses were
urging me to wake him up, pay attention, sit
up, your child's here. And I was just still in
this blissful state of bliss. Although I had
a beautiful child and I love him very much and
I was overjoyed to meet him, I think there must
have been a reticence for me to come back out
of this beautiful loving state where I was with
my dad. My dad's energy by that time had just
gently, you know, moved on again. So eventually
I sort of came to and interacted with my darling
son. Kind of beautiful, isn't it? I think you
know it's very beautiful and I can feel it as
I'm talking to you just now I can feel my dad
and so many spirit people round about us encouraging
encouraging the love to come through with us
this story and I find this is what happens very
much around me now when Particularly when I'm
speaking to lovely people like you, to interviews
and to people who are trying to spread the love
and spread the true knowledge, that there's an
extremely strong spiritual healing come through
with my words and people sense it. I can sense
it. Hopefully the viewers will be able to sense
it as well, whether they're just listening or
whether they're viewing. It was so perfect. More
incredible stuff happened once I got home with
the baby. Okay. Well, let's move on to that.
Let's talk about what happened after. So, if
my father hadn't showed up at my birth, I would
never be doing spiritual work now. I honestly
believe I wouldn't still be in planet Earth if
this all hadn't happened to me. I think I would
be on the other side. I come from a family that
is quite negative and quite depressive. One of
my siblings has already passed before he was
60. One of my siblings can't live on her own
because she has horrible mental health problems.
Another sibling is nearly crippled with back
pain and his body's all distorted. And here I
am, fairly, fairly healthy, expecting to live
a long and healthy life because I have this knowingness,
this understanding, this vibration so that was
part of what my father did but when we come home
from hospital he started backing this up causing
physical things to happen in our home. Now do
you know the medium John Edwards? No. Okay, so
he's actually a very famous medium. He's a US
medium. He was the only medium who was on TV
24 years ago. In those days, there was no New
Age, there was no talk of angels, there was no
talk of crystals, there was no talk of medium
on terrestrial TV. or in the media very much
either. So I had a satellite TV and this medium
John Edwards was on. Now I was sitting feeding
my child for at least half the day and I was
watching John Edwards and then what he would
say about his loved ones, your loved ones wanting
to reconnect would then happen to me. He would
say they will give you signs and he would say
what the sign would be and then it would happen
in my house to me. from my father. To give you
an example of that, one night we were all sitting
in my home, I had the baby, my mum, my dad's
widow was there, my husband at the time and my
two daughters and the baby, even the dog, we
were all there in different parts of the house
and all of a sudden this beautiful smell of flowers
filled the sitting room where myself, my mum,
my husband and the baby were. And I said to mum,
can you smell that? She goes, it's flowers. So
I shouted down to my daughters, what can you
smell girls? And they said, flowers. So the entire
family acknowledged that there was a beautiful
smell of flowers in the entire home. As soon
as we acknowledged that, disappeared as immediately
and as suddenly as it had come. I know that's
a thing because I work with the spirit world
and those on this side of life now. I know that's
a common thing that the spirit world will do.
They will give an order or whatever. but strangely
enough as I'm talking to you I'm hearing my father
saying of course I gave you flowers you just
had a baby and my wife was there and he's never
made me aware of this before so thank you that
was the start of it and then of course things
would go missing and then reappear once she had
hunted the house looking high and low for them
and one of the most dramatic things he did when
I was in the house on my own with the baby I
put the baby on his little chair on the dining
table he was fast asleep and I went through and
made a quick cup of tea I came back through and
the baby in his seat had been moved round to
the side like someone had came and looked at
him but moved him to get a better view I knew
that was my dad I could virtually see my dad
and his physical self doing that action So yeah,
so now he had convinced me that something, some
form of existence, continues after physical death.
And now he was telling me, look what we can do
with energy on planet Earth. So there too, mighty
big lessons. Yeah. How about other things in
your life? You mentioned things were pretty rough
leading up to that before the childbirth. After
there, you said they're a lot better. What's
been going on since? Well, I had to go on a journey
of self -love along with my spiritual journey
and that has been so healing. It took a while
because I was self -loathing all my life and
interestingly my mom just before she passed told
me she never liked herself and my sister told
me she hates herself so that's how deep it goes.
in our family, particularly with the women in
our family. It's heartbreaking and it's an epidemic
now. It really is an epidemic and social media
I think is making it so much worse. Of course
social media is not all bad. So I do believe
that half of my raison d 'etre, if you want to
describe it as that, is to teach about spiritual
truth but also to teach about the truth of self
-love. So it took me a while to become healed.
I mean, you know, if you have self -loathing
in your nature, it's like everything else in
your nature, it lingers. It never is entirely
extinguished, but you can do your best to overcome
it with the tools and the spiritual beliefs that
I had. So it took me a few years, but the relationship
with my child's father, we stayed together until
he was a bit older, but it wasn't a good relationship
and we had lots of issues. He wasn't used to
other children or... strong women or anything.
So that relationship dissolved. I was working
with the civil service. I nearly got pushed out
the door. So I left that after some years and
I became quite entrepreneurial. I wanted to support
myself and my family, but also to start working
really purposefully with the spiritual world.
So now I am an incredibly different person. So
and woman than I would have been when I was age
39. People don't believe when I say that I couldn't
even, like if you wanted to interview me, I'd
have probably rather died than agreed. You know,
I couldn't even speak to my colleagues at work.
I couldn't voice any thoughts and opinions because
I thought they were always rubbish. So it was
miserable. It was so miserable. But I feel a
little bit sorry for my younger self, but also
I can send love to her and I can see how far
I've come and other people can see that as well.
Did you have a lot of fear of death before your
experience? Yes, I did. I really did. I was terrified
and a fear of going blind and a fear of being
in dark places. I remember, I remember when I
was about 18, I had made the big mistake of getting
married, can you believe that, 18, to basically
get away from my mom because I thought she hated
me I didn't know of course she hated herself
so she was going to feel some kind of way about
me So I remember when I was in a house with my
new husband another disastrous relationship bless
them all and I was just standing in the middle
of the kitchen I thought if this is it this is
life and then you just die and this horrible
feeling came over me I suppose it would be grief
and deep depression and fear all all mixed in
one so yeah I was terrified of dying I was terrified
of going blind and I was terrified of rooms where
I couldn't see and I'll tell you another story
about a gift my father gave me at a dark seance
in a minute or two but what I learned the three
things I learned about my fears one there's no
need to be scared of death I believe being in
non -physical heaven is a wonderful, wonderful,
beautiful thing. As people often say, including
my old dad, this is your hell down here. You
know, your brain, your brain can either be your
best friend or your worst enemy and your life
will follow your thoughts and your words and
actions. Regards the fear of going blind. That's
a thing that's in my genetics I discovered later
in life. but I worried about it so much I ended
up having a stroke in this eye and I thought
I was going to go completely blind and when I
was at the hospital in the middle of a crisis
over this they told me I could I could possibly
go completely blind that had me praying to God
and asking him to give me cancer instead and
I'm laughing at myself now but that is the fear
I had of going blind and how that fear affected
me. Because you can draw things to you, you know?
You can co -create or you can call it law of
attraction. If you think, think, think, worry,
worry, worry, enough about things they will come
to you. It doesn't matter whether they're wanted
or unwanted, you know? Yeah, positive or negative.
Exactly that. The universe has got the same.
You're thinking about that all the time. Let
me give you some of that. You mentioned in a
minute you were going to tell us something else,
some other story. Do you remember what that was?
Uh, was it about the seance? When I was in a
pitch black room, sorry, a pitch black room?
And my father gave me a gift? Yes. Okay. This
was with another, that we were with, like a trans
medium, who's also a physical medium for your
listeners who maybe don't know that terminology.
It's a medium who works in the dark, which is
always an issue to me, but anyhow, they work,
and this particular man worked an absolute pitch
black, and they're able to cause physical things
to happen, like my father's energy had proved
to me. But sometimes they're able to cause voices
of our loved ones to come through, sometimes
they can cause objects to move around, sometimes
they can cause a ports. A port is basically where
the spirit world takes an item from one place,
place A, and deposits it at place B. So I was
in this seance and it was pitch black and the
medium who was running the seance says, is everyone
alright? And I was holding down this rising fear
and panic and she said, you have to speak now
if you're not alright because once the medium
goes into trance, this deep state of altered
state you cannot disturb them so I had to say
I'm not all right I have to leave so I had to
leave the seance room and stand outside and after
I did that I heard the spirit that this man's
spirit guide who was talking through him say
we're so sorry that lady had to leave the room
because her father's here and he has a gift for
her so of course I'm outside crying and going
why why why did I let this affect me so much
the spirit guide says we will deposit the gift
at the end please give it to her so after the
seance was over the leader came out and she handed
me this old coin which had Winston Churchill
on the back who incidentally I have connected
with in the spirit world and I'm like this oh
an old coin well the night before the leader
of that seance had done had been doing mediumship
from like the platform what you would call gallery
mediumship in the US and she had told me you're
going no your father's talking about an old coin
that must be in your possession and I said I
don't have any old coins next night this thing
comes so i call my husband and i say guess what
i got a present from my dad and spirit and my
husband was was an unbeliever i said but the
thing is it's an old coin and we don't have any
old coins in the house yes we do he says i brought
old coins from my father's house and put them
up in our attic so i didn't know this So what
had happened, my father had taken this from our
attic and delivered it to me in Aberdeen, a distance
of 250 miles. And there's me standing outside
the room crying because I couldn't bear the dark.
So that's quite an amazing story, isn't it? I
still have that coin to this day. Yeah, but what
do you make of that? What did that mean? What
was the lesson there? Well, it was a lesson about
the what's how the spirit world can affect energy
on planet earth to me that's what it is it was
a gift but it was a lesson because you see when
i'm working with people given healing or when
you're doing your thing you know broadcasting
the love the spirit world is working with our
vibration our energy to uplift us think about
it this way is there a real difference between
a coin being, what would be the word that I would
use, disappeared and reappeared, a bit like Star
Trek, what they used to do in Star Trek. And
our human bodies and our minds and our brains
being uplifted by energy, being healed by energy.
So I definitely feel that was part of the lesson.
Same as this painting, they used spiritual energy,
blended with physical energy to cause these things
to happen as well. and that is an extreme. Things
moving physically and appearing physically somewhere
else is an extreme way of being made aware of
the power of spirit. Have you experienced something
like that yourself? I don't think so. Many people
have. Many people find things like feathers in
unusual places, perhaps find lights going on
and off, that all sorts of physical things are
caused. I definitely believe in the spirit world
and that there are spirits or souls around us.
I don't really get into things that don't seem
to have a purpose. Like something moving around
to me doesn't have a purpose. There isn't a lesson
for my life in that. I don't need that to believe
something. So I think it just isn't a deal for
me. Well, I understand that, but of course I've
dived deep into mediumship. Yeah, I need your
shirt is about providing evidence evidence to
people that their loved ones are still around.
Some people need it and bucket loads. One last
thing before I let you go. So we're going to
do two things. I'm going to give you just a minute
to wrap up and give us we like to finish giving
a message of hope for everybody out there. It's
a rough world out there. And so if you would
think for a second and leave us with a message
of hope. And then for those that want to stick
around after that, I want to learn more about
the paintings. And so we'll chat about, we'll
chat about that. We'll leave things recording,
but people don't have to listen to that if they're
not interested in that. So leave us, leave us
with a wrap up message. Okay. So as you say,
this life is a tough gig. I believe that you
can either choose to make it a comedy or a drama.
So I have learned to definitely stay on the dra
- I'm so sorry, on the comedy side, my life was
drama earlier. If you laugh frequently, if you
hold a high vibration, your life will improve
so much, everything will flow and it will become
much easier than you ever thought it could. In
the words of my old dad, Your hell was on planet
Earth, not anywhere else. Can't we make it something
better than that? Yes. This life can be heaven.
This life can be heaven. If you stick with the
comedy side, if you laugh and you have fun and
you stay high vibration and refuse to ruminate
over your worries, over the past, over the future,
stay in the present moment. know that we are
surrounded and part of the spirit world and more.
We are the same energy as the angels so how can
we hate ourselves and how can we not realize
that we are truly powerful beings. Thank you.
I wanted to make sure that was clear because
this life doesn't have to be hell it can be heaven
right here. Your brain's your best friend or
your worst enemy we get to choose. That is so
true. All right, Jane. Thank you so very much
Thank you. All right I want to talk about the
paintings for one more minute because I'll tell
you what the one over your left shoulder it just
Reeks give me attention. Give me attention. So
I've had a hard time taking my eyes off of it
and I figured out what it is Tell me it could
be a portrait of you or it could be a portrait
of You and Mick Jagger's love child. It does
look like Mick Jagger. Yeah, a little bit. Maybe
Mick Jagger and I were together in a previous
incarnation. I don't know. Who knows? This was
signed by Picasso. He doesn't allow José Madrado
to sign. I have one by Van Gogh over here. That's
so typically Van Gogh as you can see. They were
done. They were done at the same session, they're
completely different, and Van Gogh allows Madrado
to also sign his signature. So that one was done
in about 10 minutes, that one was done in about
10 or 11 minutes too. Now does he paint with
his finger or with brushes? You mentioned him
touching the paint. Yeah, he just kind of, he
just think from it... From the viewer's perspective,
we're all seated and he's stood up over the canvases
and his assistants put one canvas in front of
him, a blank one, and he does his thing. Sometimes
he gets the brushes out. But remember, he's in
deep trance. His eyes are completely sealed closed.
His eyes are closed the whole time he does that?
Yes, the whole time. Get out of here! No! That,
again, is part of how the spirit world uses energy
to affect things on planet Earth. I can feel
Picasso so close when I'm even talking about
him. And this is something that I'd like to say.
If you think about someone who's passed over,
they will get your thought and they will come
close. Picasso's here. He's talking to me about
a little girl. connected with this painting so
maybe maybe neither of us are bang on but if
you could see it outside where i live currently
i have black railings exactly it's actually black
balcony exactly this design up here and also
the colors here the red and the yellow are about
your chakras your sort of powerful chakras and
your creative chakras and then of course For
those who are interested, there is a bosom right
there. He's a character. Alright, alright. Jane,
I appreciate your time. Thank you. We'll talk
again in the future sometime, I'm sure. Love
to. If anyone's looking for me, erikjandawson
.co .uk or on all, basically all social media.
Yeah, we'll get that down in the show notes,
so anybody can just scroll down, click on a link
right over to you. Fantastic. Blessings to everyone.
That was a wonderful conversation. Thanks again
for listening and don't forget to send those
Christmas cards. All the best to you and your
family in this life and the next.