WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.070 greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back 00:00:33.070 --> 00:00:36.909 home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. 00:00:39.170 --> 00:00:41.149 Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody 00:00:41.149 --> 00:00:44.429 and a warm welcome to our special guest today, 00:00:44.570 --> 00:00:47.049 Gary Wimmer. And you're down in Texas, right 00:00:47.049 --> 00:00:51.390 Gary? Correct, Austin, Texas. Well, it's good 00:00:51.390 --> 00:00:53.710 to have you here. I appreciate you reaching out 00:00:53.710 --> 00:00:57.210 to me. Can't wait to hear your story. Before 00:00:57.210 --> 00:01:00.439 we jump into it and hear about your NDE, Give 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:02.460 us an idea of who's Gary. Tell us a little bit 00:01:02.460 --> 00:01:05.680 about you. Well, I'm the third of seven sons, 00:01:06.019 --> 00:01:09.000 Catholic parents. I was raised Catholic, altar 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:12.719 boy. I had a lot of interest in God and Christ, 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:15.299 but when I went through puberty, I left the Catholic 00:01:15.299 --> 00:01:18.780 Church. But I never left my search for God and 00:01:18.780 --> 00:01:22.040 Christ and truth, you know. I had six brothers, 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:25.500 and I was overwhelmed with interest in things 00:01:25.500 --> 00:01:28.120 like that. They were all sports guys or business 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:32.010 guys and still are. good guys, but I was the 00:01:32.010 --> 00:01:34.870 curious one. I always wanted to seek the truth. 00:01:34.890 --> 00:01:38.450 I wanted to know the truth. And in 1977, I had 00:01:38.450 --> 00:01:41.450 a near -death experience that revealed it to 00:01:41.450 --> 00:01:45.349 me. I had no idea anybody could go to Infinite 00:01:45.349 --> 00:01:48.269 Mind or God or whatever you want to call it and 00:01:48.269 --> 00:01:51.150 come back and talk about it. And this was before 00:01:51.150 --> 00:01:54.109 I knew People were having near -death experiences. 00:01:54.129 --> 00:01:56.290 I didn't know how to put it into context with 00:01:56.290 --> 00:02:01.430 anything. I was 29 1977 I knew what I saw I knew 00:02:01.430 --> 00:02:04.430 what happened But and I feel like the luckiest 00:02:04.430 --> 00:02:06.349 person on the planet because I got a trip there 00:02:06.349 --> 00:02:09.250 and back And that's what this show is all about. 00:02:09.610 --> 00:02:13.270 That's why round trip is in our title. Well in 00:02:13.270 --> 00:02:18.069 1977 that was about within a couple of years 00:02:18.069 --> 00:02:21.969 of the time that the phrase near -death experience 00:02:21.969 --> 00:02:26.409 was coined by Dr. Moody, as you know. So I'm 00:02:26.409 --> 00:02:29.030 guessing you had no idea what happened to you. 00:02:29.310 --> 00:02:33.030 So how did you process it? Well, it was challenging. 00:02:34.689 --> 00:02:38.129 I went through a week of escalating psychic ability 00:02:38.129 --> 00:02:42.370 that I could not turn off or understand. I felt 00:02:42.370 --> 00:02:45.310 these protective monitors, guardian angels, something 00:02:45.310 --> 00:02:48.310 watching me, something aware. Didn't see them, 00:02:48.590 --> 00:02:52.030 could feel them. After a week of this insane 00:02:52.030 --> 00:02:54.729 escalating psychic ability that just literally 00:02:54.729 --> 00:02:56.610 scared the hell out of me. I've never been so 00:02:56.610 --> 00:03:00.349 scared in my life. At the same time, I never 00:03:00.349 --> 00:03:04.560 felt so enlightened, so protected. spiritually 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:07.000 guided in some way. I knew I was going somewhere, 00:03:07.099 --> 00:03:09.580 I didn't know what, but the things I just mentioned 00:03:09.580 --> 00:03:13.879 were not normal life as a musician. That changed 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:16.300 overnight. Because all of a sudden, I'm picking 00:03:16.300 --> 00:03:19.240 up everything about people around me. Someone 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:21.080 said, I'll be over at your place in a while. 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:24.219 I'd look at the clock and jump to 228. I know 00:03:24.219 --> 00:03:25.699 that they're going to be walked through that 00:03:25.699 --> 00:03:30.020 door at 228. This went on for a solid week. I 00:03:30.020 --> 00:03:32.219 could not cut off. The whole book I wrote of 00:03:32.219 --> 00:03:35.900 Second Eternity covers a lot of these episodes. 00:03:36.780 --> 00:03:40.939 And finally, after the end of a week, I was terrified. 00:03:40.979 --> 00:03:44.360 I couldn't take it anymore. I was racing down 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.080 Guadalupe Street here in Austin, Texas, crying, 00:03:47.180 --> 00:03:51.819 scared, terrified, but still mind blown over 00:03:51.819 --> 00:03:53.800 what I could feel because everybody walked by 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.039 to pick up everything in their life. What I couldn't 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.939 do is turn it off or know why it was happening. 00:03:59.659 --> 00:04:02.500 And all of a sudden, in the middle of this incredible 00:04:02.500 --> 00:04:05.919 panic and fear, I closed my eyes and started 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:09.060 praying, and, God, I can't take this help. I 00:04:09.060 --> 00:04:11.759 know you're there. All of a sudden, I felt this 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.139 incredible warmth immediately. It's mid -February. 00:04:15.659 --> 00:04:18.040 And I look up, and there's this huge light shining 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.120 down on me. And I look around, and none of these 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:24.259 people who were witnessing me, because I kind 00:04:24.259 --> 00:04:26.699 of had a circle around me, I was acting rather 00:04:26.699 --> 00:04:30.000 strange, you know, crying and praying. And they 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.959 didn't see the light? No, and it was amazing 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:37.319 to me, and I didn't care. You guys may see it 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:41.139 or not. So I looked back up, and I turned to 00:04:41.139 --> 00:04:44.600 do a crystal table about this thick, and the 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:49.939 palms of seven grayish, white -robed beings were 00:04:49.939 --> 00:04:52.680 sitting around the table without any chairs, 00:04:52.860 --> 00:04:56.720 and their hands were shining this light down 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:00.720 on me. And they said, do you trust us? And I 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.560 said, man, I don't know what's been going on. 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:04.120 I've been going through these extremes. I'm thinking, 00:05:04.379 --> 00:05:07.600 shh, do you trust us? They asked that a time 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:11.139 or two. And finally I said, yeah, because I felt 00:05:11.139 --> 00:05:14.360 protected and warm. The fear had vanished immediately. 00:05:15.100 --> 00:05:16.879 I didn't know what I was trusting them for, but 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:19.040 it was better than what I had been going through, 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:23.180 you know, the panic button. And so I said, yeah, 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.470 long story short, within... Second or two, I 00:05:26.470 --> 00:05:30.110 was hit head on by a speeding car. I saw my body 00:05:30.110 --> 00:05:32.709 from above the car get tumbled over by the car, 00:05:32.769 --> 00:05:35.790 hit the damn bumper and the windshield. And then 00:05:35.790 --> 00:05:39.350 all of a sudden I'm outside my body and I'm expanding 00:05:39.350 --> 00:05:44.009 like a balloon. The surface going out in all 00:05:44.009 --> 00:05:47.430 directions, not like an arrow, just like a balloon. 00:05:48.050 --> 00:05:52.790 I instantly realized, instantly, that's the way 00:05:52.790 --> 00:05:57.689 souls leave the body. they go out like a balloon 00:05:57.689 --> 00:06:01.449 in all directions. Gary, I'm so sorry to interrupt. 00:06:01.490 --> 00:06:04.170 I just want to clarify something that I think 00:06:04.170 --> 00:06:06.829 I've missed. Sure. I thought you were talking 00:06:06.829 --> 00:06:10.189 about the week after your NDE. Was this prior 00:06:10.189 --> 00:06:13.610 to your NDE? This is leading up to it. Leading 00:06:13.610 --> 00:06:16.769 up to it. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Keep 00:06:16.769 --> 00:06:19.910 going. Yeah, it was in the end of January 77, 00:06:20.329 --> 00:06:23.290 things started happening strange. And by February 00:06:23.290 --> 00:06:28.230 7, 1977, when I actually had the experience and 00:06:28.230 --> 00:06:31.470 went through ultimate terror and then ultimate 00:06:31.470 --> 00:06:34.290 joy and thrill and light and seeing these monitors 00:06:34.290 --> 00:06:37.790 and they're talking to me and I'm freaking out 00:06:37.790 --> 00:06:40.250 and they finally say do you trust us and I said 00:06:40.250 --> 00:06:44.069 yeah and like I said I was hit head on by a speeding 00:06:44.069 --> 00:06:47.670 car and spanning outward and instantly realized 00:06:47.670 --> 00:06:51.629 that's how souls come in too. So I had no idea 00:06:51.629 --> 00:06:54.560 pretty soon thereafter who I was. It was pure 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:58.240 sensation, and it was pure beauty. It was fearless. 00:06:59.100 --> 00:07:01.740 I felt protected, had no idea where I was going, 00:07:01.740 --> 00:07:06.160 but the ride there was fun. And I wasn't in time 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:09.500 and space, and it was hard to tell the difference 00:07:09.500 --> 00:07:14.879 between sequentiality and simultaneousness, because 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:18.279 that's what we see in time and space. Things 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:21.279 are separated by time and space. But out there, 00:07:21.529 --> 00:07:24.870 It's a whole different ballgame. Well, you mentioned 00:07:24.870 --> 00:07:28.649 something about the ride there. What was that 00:07:28.649 --> 00:07:32.170 all about? Don't leave anything out. Tell me, 00:07:32.170 --> 00:07:34.589 tell me step by step and fill in the details. 00:07:35.569 --> 00:07:38.029 That's this expansion I'm going through. As I 00:07:38.029 --> 00:07:40.670 expanded, I started seeing planets, the Earth, 00:07:41.350 --> 00:07:44.110 the whole solar system, galaxies going within 00:07:44.110 --> 00:07:47.350 me. Now my body's down there on Guadalupe Street 00:07:47.350 --> 00:07:50.370 in Austin, Texas, but my psyche, my soul, whatever. 00:07:50.750 --> 00:07:54.350 It's expanding. Then it went through the edge 00:07:54.350 --> 00:07:57.470 of the universe. I know that tickles physicist 00:07:57.470 --> 00:08:00.870 minds, but that's what it felt like. And when 00:08:00.870 --> 00:08:04.750 I went through this edge of this universe, I 00:08:04.750 --> 00:08:07.069 went through a level of consciousness that seemed 00:08:07.069 --> 00:08:10.990 to define itself as the colors, because it was 00:08:10.990 --> 00:08:14.529 a level of consciousness that I perceived that 00:08:14.529 --> 00:08:19.050 we come through and it gives us the ability through 00:08:19.050 --> 00:08:23.389 our senses our hearing, our thought, our brains, 00:08:23.529 --> 00:08:26.470 our consciousness to understand who we are and 00:08:26.470 --> 00:08:30.009 where we came from. We go through that before 00:08:30.009 --> 00:08:33.629 we enter into the physical universe, and again, 00:08:33.629 --> 00:08:35.970 collapsing down to the mother at birth. Well, 00:08:35.970 --> 00:08:39.129 I was going the other way. I broke through the 00:08:39.129 --> 00:08:41.549 universe, broke through the colors, had no idea 00:08:41.549 --> 00:08:45.169 who I was. Pure sensation. And then I saw, wow, 00:08:45.230 --> 00:08:48.950 that's the universe I came out of, and there's 00:08:48.950 --> 00:08:52.250 billions of them. There's infinite universes 00:08:52.250 --> 00:08:55.750 and they seem to roll up into a big Tunnel of 00:08:55.750 --> 00:08:58.730 light that's the best explanation very common 00:08:58.730 --> 00:09:01.710 term and it felt like that I'm going through 00:09:01.710 --> 00:09:06.190 this big circling silverish white clouds like 00:09:06.190 --> 00:09:09.470 a clown in a balloon not aware of who I am pure 00:09:09.470 --> 00:09:13.629 sensation no fear no doubt and then all of a 00:09:13.629 --> 00:09:15.690 sudden I come out the other side of this tunnel 00:09:15.690 --> 00:09:20.820 and I'm in this infinite blue void that I instantly 00:09:20.820 --> 00:09:26.220 realized as the infinite mind of God. Completely 00:09:26.220 --> 00:09:30.220 unbiased. Either it was here and everything's 00:09:30.220 --> 00:09:33.679 possible, which is the case, or it wouldn't be 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:36.580 here and nothing would exist. There's no in between. 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.840 And the thing that astonished me is the unbiased. 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.320 It's not good or bad. It's infinite creativity. 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.729 Humans are biased. Humans are good or bad. not 00:09:48.729 --> 00:09:52.210 nature. And so as I'm observing this, I feel 00:09:52.210 --> 00:09:54.970 like I was there for eternity. That's why I wrote 00:09:54.970 --> 00:09:58.169 the book, A Second in Eternity, because it went 00:09:58.169 --> 00:10:00.529 on and on. I felt like I was getting the whole 00:10:00.529 --> 00:10:02.990 tour through Infinite Mind and all these possibilities 00:10:02.990 --> 00:10:06.190 over time and space. And then all of a sudden, 00:10:06.190 --> 00:10:10.210 I felt like I was witnessing it instead of being 00:10:10.210 --> 00:10:11.970 on the merry -go -round. I'm all of a sudden 00:10:11.970 --> 00:10:15.710 off of it, witnessing it, and I'm being pulled 00:10:15.710 --> 00:10:19.269 back to somewhere. And I go back through this 00:10:19.269 --> 00:10:22.409 tunnel of light and come out the other side and 00:10:22.409 --> 00:10:25.830 come through these colors and enter this universe 00:10:25.830 --> 00:10:29.210 still with no idea who I am, but I felt like, 00:10:29.389 --> 00:10:32.370 wow, I must have a connection here. Something's 00:10:32.370 --> 00:10:35.570 pulling me somewhere. And the closer I got to 00:10:35.570 --> 00:10:39.730 this galaxy, this solar system, this planet, 00:10:40.409 --> 00:10:43.750 the more I felt like I had some connection. And 00:10:43.750 --> 00:10:48.309 right before I came back into my body, I saw 00:10:48.309 --> 00:10:51.230 three series of pictures. One was about everything 00:10:51.230 --> 00:10:54.710 we're going through now. All the chaos, extremes, 00:10:55.169 --> 00:10:58.809 political. The other was the other side of this 00:10:58.809 --> 00:11:01.889 chaos as we get into the age of Aquarius. Because 00:11:01.889 --> 00:11:03.730 what we're seeing now is all the holes in the 00:11:03.730 --> 00:11:06.669 boat so we can fix them. Hopefully now we're 00:11:06.669 --> 00:11:09.639 getting the duct tape to fix it. And that's the 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:11.820 second series of pictures where a beautiful life 00:11:11.820 --> 00:11:13.820 in the future, you know, high -tech, beautiful, 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.720 mankind's cooled out, no war. I don't know if 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.220 that's a dream, but I really think that's where 00:11:19.220 --> 00:11:21.539 we're headed. And I don't know if there's a million 00:11:21.539 --> 00:11:25.220 people on the planet or 25 billion at that time, 00:11:25.500 --> 00:11:28.220 because every day breaking news affects something. 00:11:29.299 --> 00:11:31.720 And people ask me, so what did you see? Look 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:34.759 at breaking news every day. But the universe 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:37.500 is showing us our flaws so we can fix them period 00:11:37.500 --> 00:11:41.259 period period So we should be grateful that we're 00:11:41.259 --> 00:11:44.580 seeing the holes in the boat Then I saw my body 00:11:44.580 --> 00:11:48.700 and jump back into my body leap to my feet The 00:11:48.700 --> 00:11:52.259 driver was hovering over me terrified. He just 00:11:52.259 --> 00:11:56.159 ran into me The car is all banged up people are 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:58.299 screaming hard and I jumped to my feet. I didn't 00:11:58.299 --> 00:12:02.019 feel it Not even scratch didn't get hurt You 00:12:02.019 --> 00:12:04.940 looked at the car and I looked at the people's 00:12:04.940 --> 00:12:07.240 harness. I just wanted to go home. I wasn't hurt. 00:12:07.299 --> 00:12:09.879 Couldn't deal with it. This is too heavy. What 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:11.779 I just went through was heaven and back. And 00:12:11.779 --> 00:12:14.159 now I got to deal with all this crap. Wait a 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.700 minute. So as soon as I started to walk home, 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.080 people said, no, stay, man. The cops, the ambulance, 00:12:19.259 --> 00:12:20.879 the police, they'll be here in a minute. They 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.759 need to clear it up. And I thought, yeah, I don't 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:26.379 want them chasing me through alleys, running 00:12:26.379 --> 00:12:28.700 through the city. Like you did something wrong. 00:12:28.940 --> 00:12:31.440 Yeah, right, you know, so, okay, I'll wait. I'll 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.259 explain it and I'll go home. Good luck. When 00:12:35.259 --> 00:12:37.740 they came, they're looking for a bud -spattered 00:12:37.740 --> 00:12:40.879 body and there's not one and everybody's pointing 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:42.700 to me because I'm over there talking to all these 00:12:42.700 --> 00:12:45.600 people, asking if they saw these monitors and 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.840 they just think, man, this guy's completely crazy 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:51.039 because what they saw was someone walking down 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:52.659 the street, running down the street, crying, 00:12:52.899 --> 00:12:56.080 screaming, praying, stopping, talking to something 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.679 that ain't there. A second later getting hit 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:01.679 by a car and then just jumping up like nothing 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:04.320 happened because that's basically what they saw 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:06.820 and that's basically what happened except for 00:13:06.820 --> 00:13:10.940 where I went. They couldn't see that. I've got 00:13:10.940 --> 00:13:13.080 a bunch of questions before we move on. Sure, 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.059 man. Thank you. That was a good explanation. 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.059 Where to start? You talked about this infinite 00:13:20.059 --> 00:13:23.240 blue void that you felt like was God or being 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:27.649 with God. What did it feel like? What did it 00:13:27.649 --> 00:13:31.789 look like? It looked like infinite blue sky. 00:13:32.690 --> 00:13:36.110 In other words, one color, one tone, one infinity, 00:13:36.330 --> 00:13:40.669 one infinite mind. But every molecule in that 00:13:40.669 --> 00:13:45.029 blue sky was a different possibility. A planet, 00:13:45.289 --> 00:13:48.669 a galaxy, a person, a cricket. I didn't know 00:13:48.669 --> 00:13:50.549 how to break it all up, but I could see that 00:13:50.549 --> 00:13:55.379 there was infinite possibilities. 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Thanks Rilla. 00:15:14.370 --> 00:15:16.470 I mean we really are part of infinite mind seeing 00:15:16.470 --> 00:15:21.009 itself and that's why there's a physical place. 00:15:21.149 --> 00:15:24.110 Infinite mind thought well let's go stir up some 00:15:24.110 --> 00:15:28.129 stuff. I mean I'm over simplifying it. Chicken, 00:15:28.370 --> 00:15:31.049 eggs, what preceded what first, well that's the 00:15:31.049 --> 00:15:33.350 sequential. Infinite mind has always been here, 00:15:33.350 --> 00:15:37.409 always was. Maybe this universe is only 13 billion 00:15:37.409 --> 00:15:40.899 years old but souls aren't. Consciousness, it 00:15:40.899 --> 00:15:44.919 always existed. It's just now we're in this galaxy, 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.179 in this planet, in this universe. At that point, 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.480 what makes you feel like you were with God? Everything. 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.899 Were there emotions attached? Fear, happiness, 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:00.919 joy, anything? Oh, ecstasy beyond comprehension. 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:04.460 Beyond what the body and brain can absorb. That's 00:16:04.460 --> 00:16:06.840 why people who have NDEs leave their body and 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:10.120 their brain back on the planet. Because it can't 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:13.019 handle that it can't process it your soul can 00:16:13.019 --> 00:16:16.340 your higher consciousness can and when you come 00:16:16.340 --> 00:16:18.600 back each kind of can put it together as most 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:22.059 people do with any Intense experience in their 00:16:22.059 --> 00:16:25.740 life good bad or ugly But yeah, it was a beautiful 00:16:25.740 --> 00:16:28.620 beautiful beautiful You said that you learned 00:16:28.620 --> 00:16:31.059 about who we are and where we came from. Can 00:16:31.059 --> 00:16:34.980 you expound on that? Yeah, it's like every creation 00:16:34.980 --> 00:16:37.580 is again nothing more than infinite mind seeing 00:16:37.580 --> 00:16:41.659 itself. An infinite mind created all these souls, 00:16:42.259 --> 00:16:44.740 created this universe. In fact, our souls, your 00:16:44.740 --> 00:16:47.559 soul, my soul, all these souls that come here 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:52.139 helped co -create this universe. We're not just 00:16:52.139 --> 00:16:55.139 participants after it got formed. Our consciousness 00:16:55.139 --> 00:16:58.279 helped make this planet be where it is. Probably 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:01.100 several other planets throughout the galaxies 00:17:01.549 --> 00:17:04.210 I believe there's life in a lot of places. They 00:17:04.210 --> 00:17:07.910 ain't like ours. Who says it couldn't be mercury 00:17:07.910 --> 00:17:10.349 based instead of carbon based? I mean, it may 00:17:10.349 --> 00:17:12.390 sound strange, but maybe they're pressure and 00:17:12.390 --> 00:17:16.150 chemistry. Who knows? There's so many possibilities, 00:17:16.950 --> 00:17:20.009 but they all manifest by infinite mind seeing 00:17:20.009 --> 00:17:23.410 itself, you, me, and so forth. We also get to 00:17:23.410 --> 00:17:27.869 experience individuality and choice. So we don't... 00:17:27.579 --> 00:17:30.420 feel imprisoned by infinite mind, we're not a 00:17:30.420 --> 00:17:32.839 puppet where we're given free will, the most 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:37.759 beautiful gift souls come here with, because 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.680 we get to decide how we see everything and interpret 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:44.519 everything, including our situation at all times. 00:17:44.859 --> 00:17:47.299 Let's talk about free will for a minute. This 00:17:47.299 --> 00:17:50.660 is something that personally I feel like is just 00:17:50.660 --> 00:17:55.380 one of those eternal laws of the universe, okay? 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.650 It just like gravity or like God or like whatever 00:17:59.650 --> 00:18:03.869 terms we want to use. Free will is at the center 00:18:03.869 --> 00:18:07.069 of so much of what happens. A lot of people just 00:18:07.069 --> 00:18:10.509 don't understand this. Tell me a little bit more 00:18:10.509 --> 00:18:13.430 about what you learned about free will. Why did 00:18:13.430 --> 00:18:17.369 you just bring that up? I think free will really 00:18:17.369 --> 00:18:21.630 occurred to me in its empowerment after my near 00:18:21.630 --> 00:18:25.819 -death experience. I was a musician. I started 00:18:25.819 --> 00:18:29.319 playing guitar way before The Beatles came out 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:33.240 in 1963. Never thought I'd be a professional 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:36.819 musician. Conscience objector in college after 00:18:36.819 --> 00:18:40.079 Vietnam War. I didn't want to serve. I served 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:41.980 as a conscience objector and then started playing 00:18:41.980 --> 00:18:43.940 music. It was all defense work. I didn't want 00:18:43.940 --> 00:18:46.980 to work in the defense industry. Can you refresh 00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:50.720 me on your question? It's about free will. Oh, 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:54.250 free will, yeah. Yeah. I realized at that time 00:18:54.250 --> 00:18:58.009 when I saw Infinite Mind, and especially when 00:18:58.009 --> 00:19:01.589 I came back as a limited package dual human being, 00:19:01.690 --> 00:19:04.769 we all have limitations, that's a big separation 00:19:04.769 --> 00:19:09.549 between being part of Infinite Mind, seeing it, 00:19:09.670 --> 00:19:11.769 witnessing it, however you want to define it, 00:19:11.849 --> 00:19:14.990 however I choose to define it, the essence of 00:19:14.990 --> 00:19:17.650 it, with no separation and infinite creativity, 00:19:17.849 --> 00:19:20.390 and then being back as human. but pimples and 00:19:20.390 --> 00:19:25.750 BOs and limited. So free will to me is the beautiful 00:19:25.750 --> 00:19:29.890 gift of the universe to us because we may not 00:19:29.890 --> 00:19:33.150 be able to change our situation, our genes, history, 00:19:33.630 --> 00:19:36.990 blah, blah, blah, billions of things. But free 00:19:36.990 --> 00:19:40.549 will always allows us to change the way we look 00:19:40.549 --> 00:19:45.289 at ourselves or the situation or anything because 00:19:45.289 --> 00:19:48.299 we get to choose how we look at it. And if you 00:19:48.299 --> 00:19:50.420 don't know that, eventually you discover it some 00:19:50.420 --> 00:19:53.000 time or another through some lifetime. It's inevitable. 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:56.420 It's inevitable. So yeah, free will gives us 00:19:56.420 --> 00:20:00.940 the ability, should we choose to use it, to realize, 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:03.099 okay, I can't change anything up to this second, 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:05.700 so don't drive myself crazy. Number one. Number 00:20:05.700 --> 00:20:08.839 two. I'm going to use free will to see how to 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:12.000 get the most mileage out of this particular situation 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:15.460 right here, right now. And worrying and doubting 00:20:15.460 --> 00:20:18.160 and being frustrated and looking for a complaint 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.859 department and topping out, they ain't going 00:20:20.859 --> 00:20:23.859 to solve that problem. The only way to really 00:20:23.859 --> 00:20:26.220 solve that problem is free will. Yeah, I'll tackle 00:20:26.220 --> 00:20:29.099 it. And part of that is free will to make your 00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:33.519 own choices, your own behavior, as well as how 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.640 you feel like you were just talking about. How 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.619 does that apply to as you put it the universe? 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:43.359 Because I have a lot of people on the show that 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:46.220 well from all walks of life from all religions 00:20:46.220 --> 00:20:49.339 and no religions This doesn't come up all that 00:20:49.339 --> 00:20:51.920 often, but I think it's such an interesting topic 00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:56.140 It's not talked about for example a lot in scripture 00:20:56.140 --> 00:20:58.920 And so a lot of people just don't know what to 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:02.339 make of it. You've been out of the body to this 00:21:02.339 --> 00:21:06.059 other sphere Give us an idea of how does it apply 00:21:06.059 --> 00:21:09.220 there? What do we have choices about? The most 00:21:09.220 --> 00:21:12.900 important thing how we see ourselves life this 00:21:12.900 --> 00:21:16.140 moment That's the most important thing and that's 00:21:16.140 --> 00:21:18.079 the best use of free will because everything 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:20.440 we can't change Everything up to this second 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:22.940 and we're not sure what's happening in five minutes. 00:21:22.940 --> 00:21:26.799 We may have the best of plans But we only live 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:29.920 in the here and now so if we start exercising 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:34.089 free will to be empowered here and now Just like 00:21:34.089 --> 00:21:36.769 if you practice golf enough, you become a good 00:21:36.769 --> 00:21:40.269 golfer. Now if you want to be a golfer and never 00:21:40.269 --> 00:21:43.630 go practice, you just have a fantasy, a hope, 00:21:43.690 --> 00:21:47.109 and that's fine and dandy, but there's a difference 00:21:47.109 --> 00:21:49.930 between wishing you were a golfer and learning 00:21:49.930 --> 00:21:54.769 how to swing the club. Free will allows us to 00:21:54.769 --> 00:21:57.329 re -adapt, to continue to grow, to learn, to 00:21:57.329 --> 00:22:00.029 put everything in a winning learning scenario, 00:22:00.210 --> 00:22:03.119 the good, the bad, and the ugly. We can learn 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.579 off the home runs. We can learn off the strikeouts. 00:22:05.579 --> 00:22:07.720 We can learn off our mistakes. We can learn off 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:10.940 hitting the target. And we can learn from missing 00:22:10.940 --> 00:22:14.079 the target how to recalibrate. And I learned, 00:22:14.660 --> 00:22:17.660 because I went through so much depression. I'm 00:22:17.660 --> 00:22:21.740 bipolar. I've felt that since I was a young teenager. 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.160 Finally was clarified in psychiatric hospitals. 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:29.200 But from 1977 forward, I started learning to 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:32.019 be the happiest person on the planet. Because 00:22:32.019 --> 00:22:34.720 I recognize free will. Well, I get to look at 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:37.200 things anyway, and why shouldn't I? I just saw 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:39.400 infinite mind. It can look at everything any 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:42.640 way it wants to. Why shouldn't I tap into that 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:45.140 freedom and creativity? Why should I carry this 00:22:45.140 --> 00:22:48.440 burden of guilt and shame and iniquity? Why should 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:51.940 anybody? And we do it because we don't think 00:22:51.940 --> 00:22:56.539 about letting go, turning on, meditating, asking 00:22:56.539 --> 00:22:58.839 the universe to help us. You have to ask the 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:02.220 universe. to help you. You have to ask your guides. 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:05.640 They know the rule. They do not have the right 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:08.619 to come in and just trample all over your free 00:23:08.619 --> 00:23:12.599 will. Who are our guides? Or what are our guides? 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:17.799 I saw a group in 1977 that called themselves 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:21.559 the Monitors as I explained, do you trust us, 00:23:21.660 --> 00:23:23.579 protect me, took me to heaven and back, brought 00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:27.380 me back unscathed, and nine months later explained 00:23:27.380 --> 00:23:30.920 to me why. because I was curious now 10 years 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:34.359 ago 12 years ago I started thinking okay because 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:36.359 I talked to those guys a lot but they're not 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:40.779 around they had a specific duty just like everything 00:23:40.779 --> 00:23:43.839 in this planet goes from amoeba to to us and 00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:47.359 different duties and responsibilities and characteristics 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.619 there's just that much on the other side too 00:23:49.619 --> 00:23:53.140 if not more it's just not separated and defined 00:23:53.140 --> 00:23:57.200 as clearly as it is in time and space But the 00:23:57.200 --> 00:23:59.680 essence of everything's on that side, too. So 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:03.000 yeah, free will allows you to readapt, relearn, 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:05.480 change your structure, change the way you look 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:09.180 at the situation, because that's always where 00:24:09.180 --> 00:24:11.440 power is. It ain't the situation. It's how you 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.299 look at it. And I learned going through so much 00:24:14.299 --> 00:24:18.299 depression, and it was intense, to love myself 00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:21.140 and to make the best deal out of myself I can. 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:24.700 As a musician, I had a crappy voice. I knew I'd 00:24:24.700 --> 00:24:27.740 never get a record deal. I just didn't want to 00:24:27.740 --> 00:24:31.279 be an expendable sideman. And I asked my guide 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:35.240 to help me. And long story short, in 1980, I 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:37.480 started teaching myself piano. I was off the 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.940 road. Spent four or five years banging on the 00:24:40.940 --> 00:24:44.160 piano 12 hours a day. Talked my way into some 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:49.200 piano bars about 84, 85. Not that good of a singer, 00:24:49.259 --> 00:24:52.500 not that good of a player. But as you can tell, 00:24:52.700 --> 00:24:57.150 Eric, I can talk. I became a good entertainer. 00:24:57.329 --> 00:24:59.829 And for the rest of my life, I played solo. It's 00:24:59.829 --> 00:25:02.069 what you can do. That's my point. It's what you 00:25:02.069 --> 00:25:05.250 can do. That's free will. Cool. All right. I 00:25:05.250 --> 00:25:07.349 want to talk more about the accident itself. 00:25:08.430 --> 00:25:11.789 Okay. Were you in the street? Were you in a crosswalk? 00:25:11.930 --> 00:25:17.849 Where did you get hit? I was pacing down a sidewalk 00:25:17.849 --> 00:25:21.369 and there were some cars there and some empty 00:25:21.369 --> 00:25:26.190 parking spots. And to be honest with you, I raced 00:25:26.190 --> 00:25:30.250 into the street for reasons that would be too 00:25:30.250 --> 00:25:32.569 complicated to understand and the car was there 00:25:32.569 --> 00:25:37.009 and it hit me. Okay. And I felt from the second 00:25:37.009 --> 00:25:41.190 it hit me, I felt outside my body so I never 00:25:41.190 --> 00:25:43.710 felt the impact, never felt pain and never even 00:25:43.710 --> 00:25:45.990 got a scratch. They couldn't even keep me at 00:25:45.990 --> 00:25:48.170 the hospital, emergency room, couldn't keep me 00:25:48.170 --> 00:25:51.009 there. I've had other people talk about that 00:25:51.009 --> 00:25:54.079 even if they did get hurt. Some people that were 00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:58.579 in horrible car accidents, for example, car flew 00:25:58.579 --> 00:26:01.079 off a cliff, someone's telling me about this, 00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:05.220 and they felt like they left their body prior 00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:09.140 to the car smashing into what was below the cliff, 00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:13.119 right? Then their body hit, physically died, 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:15.480 were brought back, you know, through doctors 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.400 and everything else. So it kind of sounds like 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.059 your situation was the same way. Only you were 00:26:22.059 --> 00:26:25.079 also spared the pain of all the physical hurt. 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:29.819 None. Didn't feel a thing. It's amazing. Oh, 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.980 they couldn't. Doctors, medics, my family, police, 00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:36.740 ambulance. They're all wondering, how the hell 00:26:36.740 --> 00:26:40.160 are you standing up, man? That car smashed it. 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:42.599 Shit, you know, excuse my French, but it was. 00:26:43.619 --> 00:26:47.680 And that was not an issue to me. Not at all. 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.259 and they couldn't understand every time they'd 00:26:50.259 --> 00:26:54.160 ask me, what happened? And I tried to explain 00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:57.980 where I just went, and the week prior, they didn't 00:26:57.980 --> 00:27:01.099 want to hear it. Made no sense, and I could understand. 00:27:01.900 --> 00:27:05.380 No, and even worse back then. They knew less 00:27:05.380 --> 00:27:07.920 about it back then than they know now. How did 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.259 this whole thing change your life? You went from 00:27:11.259 --> 00:27:15.609 20 -year -old Gary that was doing who knows what 00:27:15.609 --> 00:27:17.710 what you do the next day how did this affect 00:27:17.710 --> 00:27:22.190 you well i was uh in jail the next day actually 00:27:22.190 --> 00:27:25.450 they uh took the emergency room they couldn't 00:27:25.450 --> 00:27:29.150 keep me i wasn't hurt they sent a guy in who 00:27:29.150 --> 00:27:31.690 was a psychiatrist knew all about him i said 00:27:31.690 --> 00:27:35.490 man can i go home nope we can't let you go they 00:27:35.490 --> 00:27:37.450 had to get an order of protective custody it 00:27:37.450 --> 00:27:39.690 took two days for my brother to sign meanwhile 00:27:39.690 --> 00:27:42.579 they took me to jail They stuck me in jail and 00:27:42.579 --> 00:27:44.920 all the other prisoners in different cells. I 00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:47.880 couldn't quite see them. Asking me how I got 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.960 here, what I did. And I said, man, I just jumped 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.619 past time and space into infinite mind and came 00:27:53.619 --> 00:27:55.859 back and I was hit by a speeding car. I didn't 00:27:55.859 --> 00:28:00.019 feel it. What? What law were you accused of breaking? 00:28:00.980 --> 00:28:04.680 Assault. Because when I pushed the driver back, 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.309 he kept trying to hold me. you're hurt man you're 00:28:08.309 --> 00:28:10.410 in shock and just get away you don't know what 00:28:10.410 --> 00:28:14.170 i just went through so i tried to push him away 00:28:14.170 --> 00:28:17.950 a little bit and he stumbled down and fell down 00:28:17.950 --> 00:28:20.950 and then i tried to help him back up i planned 00:28:20.950 --> 00:28:23.289 to kind of hug him and kiss him and i think i 00:28:23.289 --> 00:28:28.109 did like jesus that blew his mind and he's the 00:28:28.109 --> 00:28:30.950 driver of the car and he hit me so he filed charges 00:28:30.950 --> 00:28:34.589 to cover his But I didn't even know about these 00:28:34.589 --> 00:28:36.609 charges until I was at the hospital and cops 00:28:36.609 --> 00:28:39.490 came in. They told me about this. He's filing 00:28:39.490 --> 00:28:42.230 charges against you. And when they released me 00:28:42.230 --> 00:28:45.930 from the hospital, they took me to jail. Assault 00:28:45.930 --> 00:28:50.829 and public lunacy. They can actually arrest people 00:28:50.829 --> 00:28:53.329 on public lunacy charges, I guess. I didn't give 00:28:53.329 --> 00:28:56.779 a damn. I didn't care. I've been to heaven whatever 00:28:56.779 --> 00:28:59.079 you guys got to do, you know call my friend my 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.019 brother put me in Just put me in a cell by myself, 00:29:02.019 --> 00:29:04.880 please. I don't want to deal with anybody And 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:06.680 like I said when I was in jail, I was talking 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.940 to jailers about their cases and their law. They 00:29:09.940 --> 00:29:13.059 how do you know that? I knew everything right 00:29:13.059 --> 00:29:16.160 then and then another Policeman from the jail 00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.779 came up and looked in myself said you are not 00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:21.480 a lawyer You cannot give these people legal advice. 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:24.059 You either shut up or we're gonna put you in 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.900 Solitary confinement and that didn't sound like 00:29:26.900 --> 00:29:31.359 fun. So I shut up which was kind of relief Really 00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:33.660 because I'd have talked all night. I can talk 00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:36.740 as you can tell Okay, so you got out of jail 00:29:36.740 --> 00:29:40.220 Then what you had had a lot of depression before? 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.140 Well, they took me from jail to a psychiatric 00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:46.619 hospital and you were there for a while About 00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:51.200 ten days. Yeah. Okay, then what then I got released 00:29:52.059 --> 00:29:54.799 And after 10 days, they take you before a board 00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.200 of psychiatrists and nurses that worked on your 00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.779 floor and see if you're okay and whether they 00:29:59.779 --> 00:30:02.220 should seek another 10 -day mandatory commitment, 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.700 because that's what the court ruled, or let me 00:30:04.700 --> 00:30:07.539 go. And I told all the psychiatrists, I ain't 00:30:07.539 --> 00:30:09.599 changed my story. This is what happened. You 00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:11.980 people, psychiatrists, you're doctors. You ought 00:30:11.980 --> 00:30:15.500 to be studying this. Look at your name, psychiatrist, 00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:19.160 you know. I had a psychic experience. And they 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:23.990 do now. But I don't need those details. I'm curious, 00:30:24.049 --> 00:30:27.329 how did your life change over the next few months 00:30:27.329 --> 00:30:29.990 and years? What was different about Gary than 00:30:29.990 --> 00:30:33.410 before? It took me a while to get back on my 00:30:33.410 --> 00:30:37.150 feet. I didn't discuss this with anybody other 00:30:37.150 --> 00:30:40.789 than the few people who knew, family, roommates. 00:30:41.170 --> 00:30:46.309 It was too overwhelming. And over time, I started 00:30:46.309 --> 00:30:48.609 understanding more, and I think I mentioned a 00:30:48.609 --> 00:30:51.789 while ago, this happened in February of 1977. 00:30:51.990 --> 00:30:55.710 In the fall of 77, the monitors reappeared. I 00:30:55.710 --> 00:30:59.990 didn't see them. I felt them. They told me that 00:30:59.990 --> 00:31:02.710 I had this experience because of curiosity. So 00:31:02.710 --> 00:31:05.930 it started changing from then. I had this feeling 00:31:05.930 --> 00:31:08.069 of being the luckiest person on the planet, because 00:31:08.069 --> 00:31:11.890 I know these folks exist. I know HireMind exists. 00:31:11.970 --> 00:31:14.980 I know we have a connection to it. And that to 00:31:14.980 --> 00:31:16.859 me is the most important thing in life because 00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:20.480 that's where all our power is. You know, it's 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.779 in our mind, our heart, our intentions, our spirit. 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.279 So it changed my life in terms of confidence, 00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:29.720 in terms of flexibility, creativity. I've conquered 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.299 depression. You know, I'm the happiest person 00:31:32.299 --> 00:31:35.359 on the planet and I went through hell and I was 00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.240 bipolar. Still am. But it just doesn't bother 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.859 me anymore. I just look at everything from how 00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:43.740 much I can learn and benefit rather than how 00:31:43.740 --> 00:31:47.880 much it can freak me out. Why go there? That's 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:52.579 free will. You also mentioned to me earlier that 00:31:52.579 --> 00:31:55.279 you gained some insight into what's going on 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.460 in the world and the future of the world. Would 00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:02.339 you like to expound on that for a minute? Yeah, 00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:05.200 I just wrote a short paragraph about it in my 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.740 book because, as I was telling you, these series 00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:12.450 of pictures I saw, When I came back into my body, 00:32:12.549 --> 00:32:15.529 I think I mentioned that, correct? Yeah. The 00:32:15.529 --> 00:32:17.549 first series of pictures was what's going on 00:32:17.549 --> 00:32:21.710 now. I saw 9 -11 and COVID -19, these fractured 00:32:21.710 --> 00:32:24.230 societies and people screaming in revolution. 00:32:25.069 --> 00:32:28.390 But somewhere in there, and especially due to 00:32:28.390 --> 00:32:31.069 the next series of pictures, which are showing 00:32:31.069 --> 00:32:34.230 where mankind can and hopefully will evolve toward, 00:32:34.549 --> 00:32:36.730 we're just going through the changing of the 00:32:36.730 --> 00:32:39.289 seasons, changing the guard. Our systems are 00:32:39.289 --> 00:32:41.759 breaking so we can fix them. personally, spiritually, 00:32:42.019 --> 00:32:45.759 mentally, physically, you know, globally, politically, 00:32:46.099 --> 00:32:48.319 financially, everything's in transition now. 00:32:48.500 --> 00:32:51.940 It's not that we're bad people, but we got to 00:32:51.940 --> 00:32:55.140 update. Life seems to have a way of kind of just 00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:58.000 slapping us into it one way or another. That's 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.039 why we're going through these extremes. It's 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.819 not in vain. There's a purpose to it. And yet 00:33:03.819 --> 00:33:06.079 whenever you go through some extremes, extremes 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.599 can be life and death, transformation, but also 00:33:10.190 --> 00:33:14.069 revolution, a 180. So I firmly believe that what 00:33:14.069 --> 00:33:17.430 we are seeing now is sort of the cleansing, the 00:33:17.430 --> 00:33:19.769 education, the showing us the holes in the boat. 00:33:20.150 --> 00:33:24.750 But we get to choose by free will, whether to 00:33:24.750 --> 00:33:27.170 pay attention and heed the call and benefit and 00:33:27.170 --> 00:33:30.569 grow and evolve and learn, or to do none of the 00:33:30.569 --> 00:33:33.730 above and look for a complaint department and 00:33:33.730 --> 00:33:36.190 feel like life's picking on you. There's not 00:33:36.190 --> 00:33:38.569 a whole lot of neutral. That's what I believe. 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.680 Interesting insights. Is there any more you can 00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:46.000 tell us about what you saw about the future of 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.440 mankind? It's hard for me to predict the specifics 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.799 because a lot of times I realize things I'd seen 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:56.500 when I see them on TV. Kind of a deja vu sort 00:33:56.500 --> 00:34:01.000 of thing. Yeah, but really I saw 9 -11 in 77 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:06.140 but in 2001 I was over in Europe again. I lived 00:34:06.140 --> 00:34:09.210 over in the 90s. I was on a boat cruise. and 00:34:09.210 --> 00:34:11.949 a guy from Sweden said, man, I was playing there. 00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:15.889 He said, I think the US towers just got hit. 00:34:15.949 --> 00:34:20.050 I ran down to the basement to the crew TV and 00:34:20.050 --> 00:34:23.409 looked in when a second plane went through. I 00:34:23.409 --> 00:34:25.090 looked around and these people in these blue 00:34:25.090 --> 00:34:28.949 uniforms on a Scandinavian SDFS cruise ship. 00:34:29.889 --> 00:34:32.849 I'd seen that exact same picture with those people. 00:34:33.150 --> 00:34:36.829 In 1977, I had no idea who it was and all of 00:34:36.829 --> 00:34:39.190 a sudden it's right before my eyes. I've seen 00:34:39.190 --> 00:34:42.750 several things like that, sort of verifying the 00:34:42.750 --> 00:34:46.889 lot of what I saw would come true. And even when 00:34:46.889 --> 00:34:50.510 the monitors came back to tell me why I had my 00:34:50.510 --> 00:34:54.389 experience and explained to me amount of my curiosity, 00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:58.289 they said, you will see a lot of what you've 00:34:58.289 --> 00:35:02.250 seen in this lifetime. In my life, I'm 78 now, 00:35:02.250 --> 00:35:04.369 so I don't know if I got another month or another 00:35:04.369 --> 00:35:09.349 decade. Another decade, I'm not sure about. Or 00:35:09.349 --> 00:35:11.750 a couple of decades, it can happen. A couple 00:35:11.750 --> 00:35:15.469 of decades. Who knows? I might be the only guy 00:35:15.469 --> 00:35:19.469 to live to be 138. Why not? I don't have any 00:35:19.469 --> 00:35:22.469 idea when I'm going to pass away. I don't care 00:35:22.469 --> 00:35:24.570 about it because on the other side, I know it's 00:35:24.570 --> 00:35:28.130 beautiful. And I have a theory if I'm... If it 00:35:28.130 --> 00:35:31.289 kills me, I'm in heaven, no problem. If I'm still 00:35:31.289 --> 00:35:35.210 here, regardless of the situation and my condition, 00:35:35.329 --> 00:35:38.789 I can still grow, evolve, and learn. Period. 00:35:39.590 --> 00:35:42.110 That's free will. That's empowerment. No matter 00:35:42.110 --> 00:35:44.909 what the situations are. And so I encourage people 00:35:44.909 --> 00:35:47.349 to think that way. Give yourself the benefit 00:35:47.349 --> 00:35:50.130 of being who you are in the situation of who 00:35:50.130 --> 00:35:53.190 you are. Not the detriment, not the fear, not 00:35:53.190 --> 00:35:56.159 the doubt. Give yourself a pat on the back. Love 00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:58.539 yourself, meditate, ask the universe to help 00:35:58.539 --> 00:36:01.539 you, and then don't be surprised if it does. 00:36:02.260 --> 00:36:05.239 That's a great wrap up and summary, Gary. Thank 00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.760 you. If anybody wants to reach out, I'll put 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.039 your website down on the show notes so that they 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.920 can find you. But Gary Wimmer, appreciate you 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.139 being with me today. My honor, thank you for 00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:18.360 your time and space. And to all you folks, stay 00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:20.860 empowered, believe, think outside the box, get 00:36:20.860 --> 00:36:24.880 a bunch of home runs. 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