WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:06.669 From the time that they pronounced me that was 00:00:06.669 --> 00:00:10.250 a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then 00:00:10.250 --> 00:00:13.609 they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I 00:00:13.609 --> 00:00:17.129 could see people screaming and crying But I didn't 00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:19.510 realize that was actually my physical body because 00:00:19.510 --> 00:00:22.890 I was somewhere else The only thing that I could 00:00:22.890 --> 00:00:26.809 feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace 00:00:26.809 --> 00:00:29.829 there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.070 greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back 00:00:33.070 --> 00:00:36.890 home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. 00:00:39.570 --> 00:00:41.469 Welcome, welcome everybody to Round Trip Death 00:00:41.469 --> 00:00:44.149 and I'd like to welcome Marilyn Hughes who's 00:00:44.149 --> 00:00:46.429 with us for the first time today. Good morning 00:00:46.429 --> 00:00:50.770 Marilyn. Good morning Eric. I'm so glad you reached 00:00:50.770 --> 00:00:54.030 out and we've chatted before about what happened 00:00:54.030 --> 00:00:57.140 to you and people are going to find this Absolutely 00:00:57.140 --> 00:01:00.560 fascinating. Before we jump into it, I want everybody 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:04.019 to get to know you. Who's Marilyn? I'm just an 00:01:04.019 --> 00:01:07.799 old grandma with you. I have three adult children. 00:01:07.859 --> 00:01:11.120 I have two grandchildren. You know, I was raised 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:14.819 in mostly Ohio, although I was born in California. 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:19.099 I migrated to Colorado and I raised my kids there 00:01:19.099 --> 00:01:23.219 for 25 years. I live now in Arizona. I've been 00:01:23.219 --> 00:01:26.409 a writer. most of my life because in the beginning 00:01:26.409 --> 00:01:30.150 of my early 20s I started having out of body 00:01:30.150 --> 00:01:34.329 experiences which I began to journal. Loved the 00:01:34.329 --> 00:01:37.450 outdoors, loved the mountains of Colorado and 00:01:37.450 --> 00:01:40.590 now we have the deserts where I'm at now. I am 00:01:40.590 --> 00:01:44.390 now Catholic but I wasn't Catholic. before these 00:01:44.390 --> 00:01:47.290 things happened to me, the experiences that I've 00:01:47.290 --> 00:01:51.689 had have led me to become Catholic about 25 years 00:01:51.689 --> 00:01:55.819 ago in the Jubilee year of 2000. That's good. 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.420 You know what, let's do this. Let's start with 00:01:58.420 --> 00:02:01.000 the near -death experience and if we have time 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.299 maybe we'll get into some of the other out -of 00:02:03.299 --> 00:02:06.439 -body type experiences. I know that's a passion 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:08.759 of yours right now and you have a foundation 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.300 and we'll stick all that in the show notes for 00:02:11.300 --> 00:02:14.860 people that want to find it and find you. But 00:02:14.860 --> 00:02:18.120 let's go back a few years. Well this happened 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:23.530 in 2003 but what led up to it earlier on? Well, 00:02:23.689 --> 00:02:27.169 shortly after my youngest child was born, I was 00:02:27.169 --> 00:02:30.330 diagnosed with peripartum cardiomyopathy, which 00:02:30.330 --> 00:02:34.210 is a pretty kind of rare complication of pregnancy, 00:02:34.610 --> 00:02:38.169 but I was diagnosed a little bit late. So I was 00:02:38.169 --> 00:02:41.469 in heart failure. And what that means with peripartum 00:02:41.469 --> 00:02:44.090 cardiomyopathy with associated heart failure 00:02:44.090 --> 00:02:46.949 is your heart's enlarged and it's not pumping 00:02:46.949 --> 00:02:50.729 right. It is one of the most cardiomyopathy. 00:02:50.939 --> 00:02:54.020 any form of it, not necessarily peripartum is 00:02:54.020 --> 00:02:56.379 one of the most common reasons people will get 00:02:56.379 --> 00:03:00.180 heart transplants. By the time 2003 rolled around, 00:03:00.419 --> 00:03:03.810 my heart was not doing very well. My doctors 00:03:03.810 --> 00:03:06.629 had suggested, based on some of the testing they 00:03:06.629 --> 00:03:10.830 had done and my symptomology, that they should 00:03:10.830 --> 00:03:13.710 do a cardiac catheterization. They were gonna 00:03:13.710 --> 00:03:15.930 have a chopper standing by, because I lived in 00:03:15.930 --> 00:03:18.289 the mountains of Colorado, and they were gonna 00:03:18.289 --> 00:03:23.129 send me up to the University of Colorado in Denver. 00:03:23.530 --> 00:03:27.270 where I'd been a few times and they would take 00:03:27.270 --> 00:03:29.550 it from there. That's where they did the transplanting. 00:03:29.550 --> 00:03:31.610 They had a transplant hospital up there and I'd 00:03:31.610 --> 00:03:34.550 been up there and been typed out before. And 00:03:34.550 --> 00:03:36.509 this is what they were going to do. That was 00:03:36.509 --> 00:03:40.169 the plan. And so the night before I was supposed 00:03:40.169 --> 00:03:43.990 to go in for the procedure, I had some kind of 00:03:43.990 --> 00:03:47.169 an arrhythmia or something went wrong. And all 00:03:47.169 --> 00:03:49.990 of a sudden I was out of my body and I was standing 00:03:49.990 --> 00:03:54.659 before the dark tunnel. with the light at the 00:03:54.659 --> 00:03:58.699 end. I was very excited because I saw sitting 00:03:58.699 --> 00:04:01.740 in the light, my little dog, my little dog Joy, 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:05.800 who was my terrier that I had for like 25 years, 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.960 most of my childhood. And so I was so excited 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.099 to see her because she was my little dog and 00:04:12.099 --> 00:04:14.819 hadn't seen her in a long time. And she was just 00:04:14.819 --> 00:04:18.439 very happy to see me, wanted to see me. So I 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:23.129 was thrilled about that. went towards this light 00:04:23.129 --> 00:04:26.709 going down the tunnel. As I went down the tunnel, 00:04:27.470 --> 00:04:29.449 there were a few different things going on all 00:04:29.449 --> 00:04:34.250 around. There was the world was off in the distance. 00:04:34.250 --> 00:04:37.709 I could see it and hear it in the distance. And 00:04:37.709 --> 00:04:40.629 so I was up in space and I knew that because 00:04:40.629 --> 00:04:42.949 I could see the whole earth was like a round 00:04:42.949 --> 00:04:48.329 globe over there. And we were up here and the 00:04:48.329 --> 00:04:51.779 Lord Jesus had appeared. and he had come and 00:04:51.779 --> 00:04:54.100 he was wearing the robes of the Sacred Heart. 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.939 It was beautiful. It was the white and the red, 00:04:57.220 --> 00:05:00.319 and he had the beautiful heart that he shows 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.560 in all the images that you see, and it was much 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:06.279 more brilliant, of course, than what we would 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:09.660 see on Earth in our paintings and things like 00:05:09.660 --> 00:05:14.199 that. Off in the distance, you could see, you 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:16.800 could not... I could not fathom them yet, but 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.920 you could see off in the distance like these 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.680 overlapping worlds. They were all, there were 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.899 like many of them. I wouldn't say I could see 00:05:26.899 --> 00:05:29.379 infinities of them yet, but I knew that there 00:05:29.379 --> 00:05:32.420 were many of them from there. So now I'm walking 00:05:32.420 --> 00:05:35.259 down the tunnel. I get to the end of the tunnel 00:05:35.259 --> 00:05:40.519 and there's this pale light flowing barrier at 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:44.519 the end where the light is. And I know I have 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:46.779 had these out of body experiences throughout 00:05:46.779 --> 00:05:49.779 my life. I know that if I touch that light or 00:05:49.779 --> 00:05:52.259 try to go through it, that I will not be able 00:05:52.259 --> 00:05:54.720 to return. This is like a point of no return. 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:59.300 And so I'm just thinking and stuff and I'm like, 00:05:59.339 --> 00:06:01.339 I don't know what to do. I really wanna touch 00:06:01.339 --> 00:06:03.560 it. I really wanna touch it. I wanna go through, 00:06:04.019 --> 00:06:07.639 but I'm afraid that if I do that, I have to leave 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:11.500 permanently. And then I make the decision, no, 00:06:11.500 --> 00:06:14.370 I'm not gonna touch it. and I start turning back. 00:06:14.829 --> 00:06:17.110 And you had young children at the time, right? 00:06:17.370 --> 00:06:21.670 I did. My children were very small, so my youngest 00:06:21.670 --> 00:06:25.509 was probably about two. My kids were a little 00:06:25.509 --> 00:06:28.870 further apart in age just because of the way 00:06:28.870 --> 00:06:32.410 things turned out, so I had probably about 12, 00:06:32.449 --> 00:06:36.629 five, and two. And so I had younger kids. They 00:06:36.629 --> 00:06:40.629 all needed me. I'm walking back, and Jesus takes 00:06:40.629 --> 00:06:45.199 my hand and We whoosh up into the sky. He takes 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:48.660 me beyond another barrier that I know I'm not 00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:52.160 really allowed to go past, you know, unless I'm 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:55.860 not going back. But there's this sense that's 00:06:55.860 --> 00:06:58.560 given me immediately not to worry about it. It's 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:03.259 all okay. Jesus is giving me some kind of permission 00:07:03.259 --> 00:07:07.399 for this. So now I am taken into these worlds 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:10.860 that I saw just the outskirts of from before. 00:07:11.230 --> 00:07:14.089 I'm like literally traveling like with him at 00:07:14.089 --> 00:07:16.709 the speed of light, you know, through these worlds. 00:07:17.009 --> 00:07:19.410 And so all of these are like different spheres, 00:07:19.750 --> 00:07:23.050 realms, and each one of them has their own colors 00:07:23.050 --> 00:07:27.250 and their own energy and vibration and pulse. 00:07:27.350 --> 00:07:31.589 And they're all extremely beautiful. But I'm 00:07:31.589 --> 00:07:34.250 only, you know, whisping through them very, very 00:07:34.250 --> 00:07:39.129 fast with the lore. And then he brings me back 00:07:39.129 --> 00:07:42.980 to the front end. of where the tunnel was. And 00:07:42.980 --> 00:07:47.620 at the side of the tunnel is this, it's like 00:07:47.620 --> 00:07:51.639 an old fashioned stick thing. It's like a way 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:54.480 to judge something, a way to meter something, 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:58.420 but it's with sticks. So you know how we would, 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.600 we still do when our children are young, we try 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:04.920 to put up little things on the wall to gauge 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:08.399 how tall they are, right? It was something like 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:12.250 this, but there were sticks. And this was different. 00:08:12.329 --> 00:08:16.490 This was how do we gauge the development of different 00:08:16.490 --> 00:08:21.009 souls in relation to their selflessness versus 00:08:21.009 --> 00:08:25.329 selfishness. When the stick was at the ground, 00:08:25.470 --> 00:08:28.490 that meant that they were totally engrossed in 00:08:28.490 --> 00:08:32.370 selfishness. And as it moved up, the soul was 00:08:32.370 --> 00:08:36.169 cultivating selflessness and more selflessness. 00:08:36.490 --> 00:08:39.309 And there was a level that was about waist high, 00:08:39.450 --> 00:08:41.750 which is what we needed to achieve in the earthly 00:08:41.750 --> 00:08:45.370 sphere in order to kind of complete our lessons 00:08:45.370 --> 00:08:49.809 here and move on to the next level. And so the 00:08:49.809 --> 00:08:52.269 Lord showed me different things about people 00:08:52.269 --> 00:08:55.690 in my life and how some of them did struggle 00:08:55.690 --> 00:08:59.250 a lot with this selfishness, but he showed me 00:08:59.250 --> 00:09:02.559 that my... My stick was in a good place that 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:07.100 allowed me, if I wished, to leave at this time. 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.120 That I could go if I wanted, but I could also, 00:09:10.779 --> 00:09:13.899 I could go, you know, leave the planet, or I 00:09:13.899 --> 00:09:18.080 could stay. It was kind of up to me. And then 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.879 he directed my attention to the world, which 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:25.299 was back here. So the world, the big blue -white 00:09:25.299 --> 00:09:29.179 planet over here. And as he directed my attention 00:09:29.179 --> 00:09:34.720 to the planet, I heard these shrieks, screams 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:39.980 and people just yelling at each other and complaining 00:09:39.980 --> 00:09:45.519 and just, it was this horrible sound. It was 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.539 terrible. It was this sound of like, I guess 00:09:48.539 --> 00:09:52.120 you could call it cacophony. It was the sound 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:56.500 of souls that were in such inner discord that 00:09:57.330 --> 00:10:01.769 They were there. Because this was what this realm 00:10:01.769 --> 00:10:07.049 served. It was kind of like a bathtub for selfishness. 00:10:08.210 --> 00:10:10.129 They're trying to work it out of their souls, 00:10:10.149 --> 00:10:13.970 right? It's a mortal realm. And we had to work 00:10:13.970 --> 00:10:16.509 out that good and evil, that light and darkness 00:10:16.509 --> 00:10:19.690 within each of ourselves in this realm. So I 00:10:19.690 --> 00:10:22.830 could hear this cacophony. And the Lord said 00:10:22.830 --> 00:10:26.389 to me, as he walked me over, standing in front 00:10:26.389 --> 00:10:31.519 of that tunnel of light again. He said, if you 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:36.639 go back, that will not change. You cannot change 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:40.299 that. That world serves its purpose to perfection. 00:10:40.940 --> 00:10:44.620 You can't fix it, but it's still your choice. 00:10:45.179 --> 00:10:49.059 And I said to him, well, as long as I have a 00:10:49.059 --> 00:10:51.539 choice, I have to go back because I have three 00:10:51.539 --> 00:10:55.399 young children. And so I will go back Lord. and 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:59.340 he nodded in agreement. And he said to me, he 00:10:59.340 --> 00:11:02.639 said, then I want you to go back and pray to 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:06.340 receive a heart transplant. And at that moment, 00:11:06.340 --> 00:11:09.659 I got very kind of pensive and uncomfortable 00:11:09.659 --> 00:11:12.860 and I thought for a few moments. And then I just 00:11:12.860 --> 00:11:15.519 said to him, I said, I'm sorry, Lord, I cannot 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:20.879 do that. But what I will do is I will go back 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.820 and I will do the best that I can. with my heart, 00:11:24.940 --> 00:11:27.159 the one that I've got, the one that you gave 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:31.299 me, and I will pray that the person who's perfectly 00:11:31.299 --> 00:11:33.919 healthy, who would have to die to give me a new 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:39.179 heart, is spared." And all got silent. It was 00:11:39.179 --> 00:11:42.759 all a rush of silence. It's like, you know, when 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.120 you hear that word, like in scripture or something, 00:11:46.179 --> 00:11:50.799 you know, it was like... Everything was silent 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:55.789 for just a minute. And then he said, I grant 00:11:55.789 --> 00:12:00.549 that. Very quietly, he said, I grant that. And 00:12:00.549 --> 00:12:04.490 then he quietly took my hand. And I was so honored 00:12:04.490 --> 00:12:08.070 when he took my hand again. And then he lifted 00:12:08.070 --> 00:12:11.210 me up like in a whoosh, you can't believe. And 00:12:11.210 --> 00:12:14.629 we started flying me through space towards the 00:12:14.629 --> 00:12:18.210 earth. We headed towards what was like a way 00:12:18.210 --> 00:12:22.500 station. But in this way station, was similar 00:12:22.500 --> 00:12:27.919 to like a coffee shop bookstore type thing. We 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:31.240 got there so fast, it was almost like and we're 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.259 sitting at a table and he's talking to me and 00:12:35.259 --> 00:12:38.100 he's very intense. There's all these books around 00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:40.320 us, all these bookshelves of people who have 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.379 written books. They're all spiritual books, right? 00:12:43.620 --> 00:12:47.840 And he looks at me and he says, I'm not going 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:51.980 to heal you. I'm going to help you. and I'm gonna 00:12:51.980 --> 00:12:55.679 make good use of you for the time that you have 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:59.500 left." And then he raises his hands like this 00:12:59.500 --> 00:13:03.320 to direct me to look up at this bookshelf that's 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:06.659 in front of us. So I turn my head up to look 00:13:06.659 --> 00:13:09.899 up there and there's a whole bunch of books. 00:13:10.259 --> 00:13:13.179 And then he's trying to indicate, look closer, 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:18.419 look closer. And I notice that on the binding, 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:22.879 that my name is there as the author. And there's 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:26.320 a whole bunch of them. And I'm a little bit confused 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:28.500 by that because at that time I had written two 00:13:28.500 --> 00:13:31.740 books. At this point, it's more like it's becoming 00:13:31.740 --> 00:13:35.039 now more telepathic. So I'm looking at him and 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:38.759 I'm thinking to Jesus, are you telling me I'm 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.440 gonna write all those? How is that gonna happen? 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:44.559 What are you talking about? What does this mean? 00:13:44.779 --> 00:13:46.919 You know, that's kind of what I'm doing, right? 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:51.509 He just says, This he looks he points and he 00:13:51.509 --> 00:13:55.330 looks at me like this with this intensive gaze 00:13:55.330 --> 00:13:59.690 and Points at the books and I look at them again. 00:13:59.690 --> 00:14:05.169 I just say okay and Then we both go back But 00:14:05.169 --> 00:14:08.610 then he's no longer holding my hand. I'm shooting 00:14:08.610 --> 00:14:12.230 through space He's disappeared and I'm awaking 00:14:12.230 --> 00:14:16.309 in my body Alright, let's take a breath Okay, 00:14:16.370 --> 00:14:20.169 that was a lot I had 20 questions along the way, 00:14:20.210 --> 00:14:24.350 but I did not want to interrupt. Wow, let's break 00:14:24.350 --> 00:14:26.809 this down. Where do you want to start? What part 00:14:26.809 --> 00:14:29.669 do you want to talk more about first? It might 00:14:29.669 --> 00:14:33.409 be good to give the final part and then break 00:14:33.409 --> 00:14:37.309 it down, which was when I went into the catheterization 00:14:37.309 --> 00:14:42.289 and came out. Go for it. Okay, so then I had 00:14:42.289 --> 00:14:44.610 to hurry up and go to the hospital, right? We 00:14:44.610 --> 00:14:46.870 got the chopper on the hospital. We've got the 00:14:46.870 --> 00:14:49.990 doctor waiting to do the catheterization. And 00:14:49.990 --> 00:14:52.950 to make a very long story short, I go in for 00:14:52.950 --> 00:14:55.929 the catheterization. The plan is I'm going to 00:14:55.929 --> 00:14:58.509 wake up in Denver. They're gonna chopper me up 00:14:58.509 --> 00:15:02.490 there, right? But I wake up in the mountain town 00:15:02.490 --> 00:15:06.730 that I'm living in and I ask my doctor, what's 00:15:06.730 --> 00:15:09.490 going on? Why am I here? I don't understand. 00:15:09.820 --> 00:15:13.679 And he says, well, we don't really know what 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:17.139 happened or how to explain this, but you know, 00:15:17.179 --> 00:15:20.919 your heart, it's not cured or anything, but it's 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:26.620 significantly better than it was last week. And 00:15:26.620 --> 00:15:29.700 it's better enough that we don't need to send 00:15:29.700 --> 00:15:32.700 you up there. And so you're good. We're going 00:15:32.700 --> 00:15:34.960 to send you home and we're going to add this 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:38.000 medication and we're just going to go from here. 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:43.100 I knew immediately Jesus said I'm not gonna cure 00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:46.379 you but I'm gonna help you I knew he had helped 00:15:46.379 --> 00:15:51.179 me and that's Where it ended has that been the 00:15:51.179 --> 00:15:53.740 case ever since did you ever need the transplant 00:15:53.740 --> 00:15:56.860 or anything? actually what ended up happening 00:15:56.860 --> 00:16:01.039 was I went through 15 years of having the cardiomyopathy 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:06.080 heart failure and then 15 years later my heart 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:10.269 spontaneously healed which I've been told by 00:16:10.269 --> 00:16:13.509 many doctors is not possible. And a couple of 00:16:13.509 --> 00:16:16.429 doctors have told me, a couple of doctors of 00:16:16.429 --> 00:16:19.169 faith have told me that's actually a miracle. 00:16:19.649 --> 00:16:23.289 Yeah. Awesome. Depending on who you ask. They'll 00:16:23.289 --> 00:16:26.570 say, you know, a lot of doctors don't want to 00:16:26.570 --> 00:16:30.009 say that M word, do they? Right. And that's okay. 00:16:30.389 --> 00:16:32.669 Cause they're, yeah, they're just trying to understand 00:16:32.669 --> 00:16:35.960 it. And they did use medications. to get me through 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:38.600 it. And you know the doctors were part of the 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:41.879 miracle. They never want to ever forget or dismiss 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:46.559 that they were part of that whole miracle. Doctors 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:50.379 work miracles too. You know God uses them and 00:16:50.379 --> 00:16:52.860 so they were part of the whole thing. All right 00:16:52.860 --> 00:16:55.600 let's go back to the very beginning part. This 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:59.639 tunnel you're talking about is unusual and first 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.100 of all, well seems like I say this all the time, 00:17:03.340 --> 00:17:08.220 But no two NDEs are the same. We think, oh, there's 00:17:08.220 --> 00:17:11.779 a tunnel and you go towards the light. That really 00:17:11.779 --> 00:17:16.279 doesn't happen that often. Okay, so yours is 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:18.880 really cool from that standpoint. But I don't 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.359 really understand the tunnel, how if you're in 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.380 some kind of a tunnel, you're also seeing the 00:17:24.380 --> 00:17:27.299 world and seeing Jesus and seeing all these other 00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:30.319 worlds. Explain the tunnel a little bit more. 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:34.279 Was it like transparent or This tunnel had some 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:37.259 transparency to it. And what's interesting, I 00:17:37.259 --> 00:17:40.180 can just go a little farther with that, you know, 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.420 just to let the audience know that I've had the 00:17:43.420 --> 00:17:46.259 out of body experiences for 40 years. And so 00:17:46.259 --> 00:17:49.000 I've learned that there are a lot of different 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:53.420 types of tunnels that people travel through in 00:17:53.420 --> 00:17:56.599 the mystical spheres. Quick break to thank our 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.140 newest sponsor, Rula. How is your holiday season 00:18:00.140 --> 00:18:04.410 so far? If the stress has become simply unmanageable 00:18:04.410 --> 00:18:06.990 or if you're dealing with a breakup, death with 00:18:06.990 --> 00:18:10.190 a loved one, or any of life's bumps that just 00:18:10.190 --> 00:18:13.170 seem too big right now, it may be time to talk 00:18:13.170 --> 00:18:16.589 to someone, a professional therapist. 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This particular 00:19:01.829 --> 00:19:06.109 tunnel that I was seeing, there was some transparency 00:19:06.109 --> 00:19:10.309 to it. It was like a membrane. But there are 00:19:10.309 --> 00:19:13.509 other tunnels that are very similar, that are 00:19:13.509 --> 00:19:16.970 dark with the light at the end, that do not have 00:19:16.970 --> 00:19:20.349 that same transparency. And they're very different. 00:19:21.029 --> 00:19:25.650 And so it's kind of important to know that They're 00:19:25.650 --> 00:19:27.990 not all the same. And there are different ones 00:19:27.990 --> 00:19:30.809 that have thin ribbing in them. And these are 00:19:30.809 --> 00:19:33.710 not usually associated with near death experiences. 00:19:33.849 --> 00:19:36.710 They're usually associated with traveling into 00:19:36.710 --> 00:19:39.750 mystery realms and things like that. But this 00:19:39.750 --> 00:19:42.369 particular tunnel did have some transparency 00:19:42.369 --> 00:19:45.450 to it. Another part that is different when you're 00:19:45.450 --> 00:19:48.990 in a near death experience is that you do have 00:19:48.990 --> 00:19:51.519 this... I'm not sure, there's probably a word 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:53.460 for it that I'm not thinking up off the top of 00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:57.940 my head. You do have this ability to have like 00:19:57.940 --> 00:20:02.500 an awareness of this self here, this self looking 00:20:02.500 --> 00:20:06.500 here, this self remembering what was back here. 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:10.460 And so there is this omnipresence that you have 00:20:10.460 --> 00:20:12.980 that is different than you have in a physical 00:20:12.980 --> 00:20:17.440 body. And so people can get confused when you're 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:21.049 actually having this ability in a near -death 00:20:21.049 --> 00:20:24.609 experience or an experience of a mystical nature 00:20:24.609 --> 00:20:29.150 to see more than one place at the same time, 00:20:29.170 --> 00:20:33.529 but it's actually very common in mystical experience. 00:20:34.549 --> 00:20:36.990 Besides Jesus, did you see any other people or 00:20:36.990 --> 00:20:41.569 beings of any kind? My dog. You mentioned the 00:20:41.569 --> 00:20:44.390 dog, yes. I didn't mean to leave the dog out. 00:20:45.190 --> 00:20:48.200 My cute little dog. What was that like? Was that 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:51.400 like a big reunion? It was, I know it sounds 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:54.579 so petty, but it was just so awesome to see my 00:20:54.579 --> 00:20:58.119 dog. And there was something very mystically 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:01.960 special about seeing her. People forget, well, 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:05.220 we forget this about our loved ones too. Every, 00:21:05.220 --> 00:21:08.380 every, every remembrance we have of someone we've 00:21:08.380 --> 00:21:12.200 loved when we cross over is a beautiful reunion. 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:15.839 So even with our animals, it's just a beautiful 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:19.890 reunion. in terms of seeing other beings mostly 00:21:19.890 --> 00:21:24.349 not in this experience except there were others 00:21:24.349 --> 00:21:26.930 I guess the way to put it there were no other 00:21:26.930 --> 00:21:30.750 main characters in this experience I saw members 00:21:30.750 --> 00:21:34.130 of my family like my current family where I was 00:21:34.130 --> 00:21:36.609 being shown things it was being shown things 00:21:36.609 --> 00:21:40.289 about my family that I usually keep private about 00:21:40.289 --> 00:21:42.329 my children and things that were going to happen 00:21:42.329 --> 00:21:46.450 to them as they grew older but they're adults 00:21:46.450 --> 00:21:49.569 now and I like to give them their privacy. I 00:21:49.569 --> 00:21:53.170 was shown things about my husband. I was shown 00:21:53.170 --> 00:21:57.690 other people that were floating around and in 00:21:57.690 --> 00:22:00.410 the way station there were other people in this 00:22:00.410 --> 00:22:03.269 place, this coffee shop -esque kind of place, 00:22:03.390 --> 00:22:08.049 but in terms of communicating with them, we did 00:22:08.049 --> 00:22:11.450 not do that. Okay, next question. I want you 00:22:11.450 --> 00:22:14.420 to think For just a second before you answer 00:22:14.420 --> 00:22:17.660 and really go back in your memory here What did 00:22:17.660 --> 00:22:22.279 it feel like when Jesus took your hand? It felt 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:26.400 like the wisdom and the breath of a thousand 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.180 fathers and mothers Whispering you into their 00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:35.259 arms. I mean, it's the It's the epitome of falling 00:22:35.259 --> 00:22:38.279 into the arms of the father. You know what I 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.660 mean? There is there's nothing that can compare 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:46.400 because the love, the unconditional love that 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:49.380 you are experiencing, you know, everyone, well, 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:51.380 I shouldn't say everyone, but most people talk 00:22:51.380 --> 00:22:54.079 about this who have had these experiences. Some 00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:57.339 people have had different experiences. But when 00:22:57.339 --> 00:23:00.299 you experience that it's like falling into the 00:23:00.299 --> 00:23:03.200 arms of thousands of mothers and fathers who 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:08.660 are all of infinite love and realizing that you 00:23:08.660 --> 00:23:11.980 were never gone. It's kind of like you just left 00:23:11.980 --> 00:23:14.900 for a while and you were never gone. I honestly 00:23:14.900 --> 00:23:19.380 don't know how I didn't not leave. No, I get 00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:23.460 it. It's hard to understand how it's so wonderful 00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:26.599 and so loving and you could actually choose to 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.240 come back. But a mother's love is a super strong 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:35.319 thing too. Right. It is. And you know part of 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:39.329 that it comes mother's love and the responsibility 00:23:39.329 --> 00:23:43.930 that we know and feel as mothers, we make that 00:23:43.930 --> 00:23:47.549 decision. And we're there in the presence of 00:23:47.549 --> 00:23:54.690 our Lord who is encouraging us and filling us 00:23:54.690 --> 00:23:57.930 with that kind of strength of you can do this. 00:23:58.250 --> 00:24:02.109 If this is for a greater good, you can do this. 00:24:02.329 --> 00:24:04.470 You know, because wasn't that the epitome of 00:24:04.470 --> 00:24:06.890 everything that Christ did? It was all for the 00:24:06.890 --> 00:24:11.690 greater good of all. And he empowers you with 00:24:11.690 --> 00:24:14.349 that strength. You definitely don't want to leave. 00:24:14.690 --> 00:24:17.089 I often think about it and I often think, hush, 00:24:17.150 --> 00:24:19.390 what it would have been like if I had just gone. 00:24:20.009 --> 00:24:22.210 And it's like, you know, what would have happened 00:24:22.210 --> 00:24:25.009 to my children? Would they be better off? Would 00:24:25.009 --> 00:24:27.630 they be worse off? You know, you think all these 00:24:27.630 --> 00:24:31.480 things, you wonder, you know. Those are great 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:35.359 what if kind of questions that yeah it's okay 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:38.240 that we don't know the answers to. I want to 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:41.759 talk about the selflessness versus selfishness. 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:47.339 Did you get the idea that everybody there this 00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:49.759 is what they're learning? I think you mentioned 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:52.900 that it's a big part of why we're here in this 00:24:52.900 --> 00:24:56.980 life is to learn the difference. I don't see 00:24:56.980 --> 00:25:00.750 a lot of people as they get older, getting that 00:25:00.750 --> 00:25:05.309 much more selfless. Explain more. How do we learn 00:25:05.309 --> 00:25:08.589 this in this world? How do we take it with us? 00:25:09.170 --> 00:25:11.369 What kinds of things help us learn this lesson? 00:25:11.890 --> 00:25:14.630 Well, you know, this is ironically what most 00:25:14.630 --> 00:25:17.470 of my books talk about, which is the path of 00:25:17.470 --> 00:25:20.509 purification. In fact, I wrote a book called 00:25:20.509 --> 00:25:24.289 From Selfishness to Selflessness, and it's a 00:25:24.289 --> 00:25:27.089 comparison of ancient sacred texts from all world 00:25:27.089 --> 00:25:31.170 traditions. the process that all world traditions 00:25:31.170 --> 00:25:35.849 encourage us to undergo as a practice. But the 00:25:35.849 --> 00:25:40.049 path of purification is actually what we come 00:25:40.049 --> 00:25:43.549 here to do in a mortal world so that we will 00:25:43.549 --> 00:25:49.369 undergo, we will enter into the process that 00:25:49.369 --> 00:25:54.950 souls incarnate here for, which is the initiation 00:25:54.950 --> 00:25:59.980 into, so to speak, The process wherein a soul 00:25:59.980 --> 00:26:03.259 begins to recognize that we are in a mortal realm. 00:26:03.619 --> 00:26:05.920 What does that mean? It's a third and fourth 00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:08.500 dimensional realm where the battles between good 00:26:08.500 --> 00:26:11.440 and evil go on they go on inside of us they go 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:15.779 on outside of us and We all have good and evil 00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:19.480 light and dark things that we have that are life 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:21.980 -giving things that are death -dealing with inside 00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:27.430 of us and so in order to actually Do something 00:26:27.430 --> 00:26:31.950 about it. We actually have to enter into an Actual 00:26:31.950 --> 00:26:35.170 path of purification and a path of purification. 00:26:35.170 --> 00:26:38.250 Well, what is that? Well in some traditions like 00:26:38.250 --> 00:26:42.109 for instance in Catholicism Mystical theology 00:26:42.109 --> 00:26:45.970 lays it out for us You can read like the Ascent 00:26:45.970 --> 00:26:48.730 of Mount Carmel by st John of the cross or an 00:26:48.730 --> 00:26:51.650 introduction to the devout life by st Francis 00:26:51.650 --> 00:26:55.369 de sails the spiritual life by father Adolf Tinkere 00:26:55.690 --> 00:26:59.029 And these are actually textbooks on the process 00:26:59.029 --> 00:27:02.569 of how do we do that self -intrusive examination 00:27:02.569 --> 00:27:05.950 of identifying those things within ourselves 00:27:05.950 --> 00:27:11.589 that we are doing that are selfish or are dark 00:27:11.589 --> 00:27:14.990 or are moving away from God rather than moving 00:27:14.990 --> 00:27:18.799 towards God. And when we enter into this path 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:22.559 of purification, we accelerate our spiritual 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:25.940 journey to the point where it becomes possible 00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:31.420 for us to actually choose a higher thrust at 00:27:31.420 --> 00:27:34.319 the time of our death, where we can actually 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:37.480 ascend from this realm and go to the next level 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.700 of development instead of doing the same things 00:27:40.700 --> 00:27:43.279 over and over again, because you're absolutely 00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:47.309 right. that most people walk through this life 00:27:47.309 --> 00:27:51.470 blindly and they do not progress and we call 00:27:51.470 --> 00:27:54.950 this karmic circling they just turn in circles 00:27:54.950 --> 00:27:59.470 they can spend 20 years and not identify the 00:27:59.470 --> 00:28:02.990 most basic of what we might call a fetter or 00:28:02.990 --> 00:28:07.250 a hindrance or a sinful nature that needs to 00:28:07.250 --> 00:28:09.910 be altered in order for their soul to take another 00:28:09.910 --> 00:28:13.710 step and these are little selfishnesses right 00:28:13.660 --> 00:28:16.700 but there are also their hindrances and fetters 00:28:16.700 --> 00:28:20.220 and cravings and things that hold them back. 00:28:20.819 --> 00:28:22.700 All right, let's do this. If you don't mind, 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:27.299 I want to take a less theoretical, less theological 00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:31.079 approach as we talk about this for a second and 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:35.140 talk about more practical, real stuff instead. 00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:38.240 Okay. Because some of that goes above my head. 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.960 I admit it. This person wrote about that path 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.779 and this circular thing and okay, I want to talk 00:28:43.779 --> 00:28:47.059 about some real things that I believe. I think 00:28:47.059 --> 00:28:50.720 one of the reasons, just to go back to your learning 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:55.299 to be selfless, I think one of the reasons that 00:28:55.299 --> 00:28:58.779 we came here to this earth and took on these 00:28:58.779 --> 00:29:01.980 bodies was there were things that we could only 00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:05.980 learn here by experience. For example, I was 00:29:05.980 --> 00:29:10.279 much more selfish before I had our first baby. 00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.680 compared to after having a child. You become 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.920 selfless in many ways through an experience like 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.579 that, that maybe we can only have here. Would 00:29:22.579 --> 00:29:25.740 you agree with that? Absolutely. Can you think 00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:29.240 of some others like that? Absolutely. There are 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:31.640 all kinds of things in our earthly experience 00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.200 that offer us the opportunity to become more 00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:37.880 selfless. And it has with children, for instance, 00:29:38.140 --> 00:29:41.329 having a handicapped child. allows us that opportunity. 00:29:41.990 --> 00:29:44.910 Being married and staying with your spouse and 00:29:44.910 --> 00:29:48.089 going through the illness and health. Going through 00:29:48.089 --> 00:29:50.130 aging and the things that are going to happen 00:29:50.130 --> 00:29:53.970 to both parties. Having children who end up with 00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:57.789 illnesses. But it's also the day -to -day things 00:29:57.789 --> 00:30:01.769 that we have to learn to love one another as 00:30:01.769 --> 00:30:05.029 Jesus says, as I have loved you, even though 00:30:05.029 --> 00:30:08.609 we're imperfect. So loving each other, even when 00:30:08.609 --> 00:30:11.650 we disagree, even when we don't understand why 00:30:11.650 --> 00:30:14.289 the other person thinks differently than we do, 00:30:14.529 --> 00:30:19.029 the smaller selflessness is, right? And so one 00:30:19.029 --> 00:30:21.930 of the simple ways that people do this is that 00:30:21.930 --> 00:30:25.660 they recognize Like the vices in themselves like 00:30:25.660 --> 00:30:27.920 so for instance if someone's like, you know, 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.779 I get I'm kind of mean -spirited And so then 00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:33.400 they might say well that means I need to try 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.559 to cultivate more of a kind heart in order to 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.400 counter my mean -spiritedness and so they will 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.579 they will either engage in practices prayer meditation 00:30:45.579 --> 00:30:48.970 spiritual reading or they will actually go out 00:30:48.970 --> 00:30:51.589 and do something that's kindhearted. So it can 00:30:51.589 --> 00:30:54.450 be, whether it's with their own children, they 00:30:54.450 --> 00:30:57.089 might go volunteer at a home for the handicapped. 00:30:57.109 --> 00:30:59.690 They might go volunteer at a home for the elderly. 00:31:00.190 --> 00:31:02.710 They might go volunteer at something else that 00:31:02.710 --> 00:31:06.569 they are good at where they can offer their special 00:31:06.569 --> 00:31:11.569 gifts and they learn to give freely of themselves, 00:31:11.609 --> 00:31:14.900 right? It can be a lot of different things. So 00:31:14.900 --> 00:31:17.380 these things can come down to like basic things 00:31:17.380 --> 00:31:20.640 like little vices that people have, whether it's 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:25.299 lust or greed or anger, things like that. And 00:31:25.299 --> 00:31:28.140 then you look at the opposite virtues, which 00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:32.640 would be temperance, prudence, purity, flow to 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.440 anger. And a lot of this then comes to giving 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.569 more time to understanding. Rather than focusing 00:31:40.569 --> 00:31:43.630 entirely on, I need to be understood, realize 00:31:43.630 --> 00:31:46.250 that you need to be more understanding. You need 00:31:46.250 --> 00:31:50.349 to listen more so that you can also become more 00:31:50.349 --> 00:31:54.609 selfless and actually try to understand other 00:31:54.609 --> 00:31:56.950 people instead of just demanding that everyone 00:31:56.950 --> 00:32:00.710 understand you, which if we're honest with ourselves, 00:32:00.849 --> 00:32:05.309 people never understand us completely. We have 00:32:05.309 --> 00:32:08.410 to just try to be understanding to one another. 00:32:08.670 --> 00:32:11.329 Because we're all different, we're all so different. 00:32:11.970 --> 00:32:15.430 There is a process that goes deeper, which is 00:32:15.430 --> 00:32:18.269 that process of mystical theology, which really 00:32:18.269 --> 00:32:22.890 helps you to hone that process in. But life itself, 00:32:23.069 --> 00:32:25.349 as you said, getting married, having children, 00:32:25.670 --> 00:32:30.109 those are part of the life process itself that 00:32:30.109 --> 00:32:34.170 forces these teachings on us. Our aging parents, 00:32:34.410 --> 00:32:38.009 our aging spouses, illnesses that we don't expect. 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.500 things that we don't expect, horrible things 00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:44.759 that happen to people, accidents, violence, injury, 00:32:45.339 --> 00:32:48.039 war, all the things that people are faced with 00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:52.759 where they can choose their response is going 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:56.339 to show us opportunities where we can learn to 00:32:56.339 --> 00:33:00.339 become more selfish or more selfless. Does this 00:33:00.339 --> 00:33:03.920 make sense? Yeah, and maybe if we had not come 00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.180 here, because people sometimes ask me, what did 00:33:07.180 --> 00:33:09.940 we come here for? Okay, and we're talking about 00:33:09.940 --> 00:33:13.519 one of those things. Why? Maybe a lot of these 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.799 things without the trials that we have here on 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:19.559 this planet, we just couldn't learn without them. 00:33:19.940 --> 00:33:24.180 Just makes sense to me. Okay. Right. All right. 00:33:24.380 --> 00:33:28.400 Just a couple other little things. The sounds 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.299 that you heard, which I'm going to... put words 00:33:31.299 --> 00:33:33.839 in your mouth were they like hellish kind of 00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:37.259 sounds you heard I forget the term that you use 00:33:37.259 --> 00:33:41.619 coming all these voices cacophony you don't want 00:33:41.619 --> 00:33:43.299 to know what hellish sounds sound like because 00:33:43.299 --> 00:33:46.240 I've been down there too but the sounds I heard 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.640 coming off the earth were more of the cacophony 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.799 of people complaining screaming screaming at 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:57.680 each other. It's what we see in our world today, 00:33:57.859 --> 00:34:00.180 ironically, and we didn't see as much of it at 00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:02.720 the time that I had the vision. It was interesting 00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:04.319 to me because I was like, really? Is that what 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.859 it's going to be like? And yeah, I guess it is. 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:11.199 And it's the way that we see where what we see 00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:15.380 in our society right now, people are not listening 00:34:15.380 --> 00:34:18.019 to one another. They're just yelling and screaming 00:34:18.019 --> 00:34:21.480 at each other and demanding something of one 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:25.000 another and not hearing anything. And what they're 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:26.900 doing, they don't realize this is what you see 00:34:26.900 --> 00:34:29.619 in a chaos realm, which is a purgatorial realm, 00:34:30.219 --> 00:34:32.739 where people just kind of bump off of each other 00:34:32.739 --> 00:34:35.860 and there's no rhyme or reason. Nothing actually 00:34:35.860 --> 00:34:39.539 gets resolved that way. You have to actually... 00:34:39.610 --> 00:34:42.969 Stop the cacophony. You have to stop the bumping 00:34:42.969 --> 00:34:46.469 off of each other You have to change the energy 00:34:46.469 --> 00:34:49.829 where people have to stop they have to step back 00:34:49.829 --> 00:34:53.510 They have to start listening to one another Even 00:34:53.510 --> 00:34:56.269 if you don't like what someone is saying you 00:34:56.269 --> 00:35:00.730 have to listen long enough to understand Even 00:35:00.730 --> 00:35:04.610 if once you understand you're like wow I understand 00:35:04.610 --> 00:35:07.050 what they think and gosh, wow, I think that's 00:35:07.050 --> 00:35:11.250 crazy. You need to still be willing to understand 00:35:11.250 --> 00:35:14.210 where people are coming from. This is what you 00:35:14.210 --> 00:35:17.409 have to have civil discourse and you have to 00:35:17.409 --> 00:35:22.409 be able to love one another as God has loved 00:35:22.409 --> 00:35:25.809 you. And I think it's a good mantra, frankly, 00:35:26.289 --> 00:35:28.849 which is love one another as God has loved you. 00:35:29.070 --> 00:35:31.809 Every time you're tempted to just start doing 00:35:31.809 --> 00:35:36.440 that. Stop. Step back and love one another as 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.940 God has loved you. Because anytime you just start 00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:41.559 attacking people, you're doing something that 00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:46.719 has no purpose. It has no response that is useful. 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.260 You're wasting your time and ability to generate 00:35:51.260 --> 00:35:54.539 and create more of the things, the qualities, 00:35:54.739 --> 00:35:59.639 the selflessness, to cultivate a higher state 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.719 of being that you are here to do. It's kind of 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:05.539 like you're wasting spiritual energy that was 00:36:05.539 --> 00:36:09.219 given to you as a gift. Being born here is not 00:36:09.219 --> 00:36:12.320 an accident, it's a gift. What we are seeing 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.639 a lot of these days is people wasting a lot of 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.800 good gifts and they're not progressing, just 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.570 the way you originally stated it. People are 00:36:21.570 --> 00:36:23.889 not getting more selfless as they get older. 00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:27.250 They're not making progress as they get older. 00:36:27.610 --> 00:36:30.489 And all these things need to happen, but it's 00:36:30.489 --> 00:36:33.429 also happening. It's happening across the board 00:36:33.429 --> 00:36:36.329 in the youth and in every age bracket where we're 00:36:36.329 --> 00:36:40.789 not seeing the progressions that should be happening 00:36:40.789 --> 00:36:45.110 as a result of incarnating into this realm and 00:36:45.110 --> 00:36:49.579 the purpose of it being made manifest. Well, 00:36:49.579 --> 00:36:53.820 if we were to talk about characteristics of Jesus, 00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:58.360 you brought him up. And we could talk about selfless. 00:36:59.019 --> 00:37:03.280 We could talk about the opposite. If you also 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:07.199 believe in a devil or Satan, that would be the 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.110 epitome of the selfish. And some of these things 00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:12.150 you're talking about, I wish you would just go 00:37:12.150 --> 00:37:16.309 to Washington and preach to all of the politicians 00:37:16.309 --> 00:37:19.550 on both sides of the aisle and the politicians 00:37:19.550 --> 00:37:22.150 all over the world for that matter. Let's get 00:37:22.150 --> 00:37:25.329 back to if we just love a little more and serve 00:37:25.329 --> 00:37:29.150 a little more and be a little more selfless, 00:37:29.550 --> 00:37:31.429 world's going to be a whole lot better place. 00:37:32.010 --> 00:37:34.010 Hey, why don't you leave us with just a couple 00:37:34.010 --> 00:37:37.530 of things. One, I'm curious your level of your 00:37:37.530 --> 00:37:40.409 fear of death since the experiences that you've 00:37:40.409 --> 00:37:43.469 had and leave us with some kind of a brief message 00:37:43.469 --> 00:37:46.730 of hope. I'm not afraid of death at all. Sometimes 00:37:46.730 --> 00:37:49.349 I just have to like kind of temper my excitement 00:37:49.349 --> 00:37:51.889 about it because you know, I look forward to 00:37:51.889 --> 00:37:55.349 it is what I'd say. You know, the message of 00:37:55.349 --> 00:37:59.190 hope would be that we do have the power within 00:37:59.190 --> 00:38:03.280 us. within our hands to change the world. Every 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.059 single one of us does. It's not in the way that 00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:09.139 I think many of us have thought. It's in the 00:38:09.139 --> 00:38:12.639 fact that the power to change the world is in 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.579 our power to change ourselves and the way that 00:38:16.579 --> 00:38:20.280 we interact with this world. Interact with this 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.760 world in a higher way. And the more of us who 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.840 do that, that it will change the whole world. 00:38:27.099 --> 00:38:30.420 it will change everyone's ability and what they 00:38:30.420 --> 00:38:32.739 have to do in order to interact with the world 00:38:32.739 --> 00:38:36.340 in a way that matters. All right Marilyn, thank 00:38:36.340 --> 00:38:39.280 you so very much. I've really enjoyed it. Thanks, 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:44.119 me too. Thanks again for listening and sharing 00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:46.440 this podcast. Don't forget to hit the follow 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.300 or subscribe button and sign up for our newsletter 00:38:49.300 --> 00:38:52.139 at roundtrippedesk .com. If you want to share 00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:54.900 your near -death experience, or if you have questions 00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:57.599 or comments about the show, send an email to 00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.079 eric at roundtripdeath .com. Until then, I wish 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:02.980 you everything good that you're looking for in 00:39:02.980 --> 00:39:04.639 this life and the next.